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(This transcript was auto-generated so there may be some errors)

00:00:00:00 – 00:00:20:09
Dr. Devin Stone
Welcome back to the podcast today. I’ve got two special guests with us here today. We’ve got Jim Ludwig, who is the VP of Heal in 1951, and we’ve got Dr. Devin Stone is a naturopathic doctor out of California who’s also a medical advisor for Healing 1951. And I’m excited to have both of you guys join me on the podcast here.

00:00:20:10 – 00:00:24:06
Nathan Crane
So, yeah, thanks for thanks for coming, Jim and Dr. Stone.

00:00:25:03 – 00:00:25:20
Jim Ladwig
Thanks for having us.

00:00:26:06 – 00:00:27:20
Dr. Devin Stone
Yeah, thank you. Excited for today.

00:00:28:17 – 00:00:43:05
Nathan Crane
So, Jim, you we’ve it’s been probably a couple of years, I think, since I last an interview with you. And I don’t think as you know, my audience necessarily knows about your story with cancer. Why don’t why don’t you start there?

00:00:44:10 – 00:01:04:01
Jim Ladwig
Yeah. Yeah. So I, I get that, you know how sometimes your phone is like on this day, you know, so many years ago, I actually got a reminder on my phone yesterday that it was seven years ago I was laying in a hospital bed. So I was like, Oh, man, it just feels like a lifetime ago, but it also feels like yesterday.

00:01:04:01 – 00:01:07:09
Nathan Crane
But you’re like, great reminder phone. Thanks. Thanks.

00:01:07:09 – 00:01:35:06
Jim Ladwig
Thanks for reminding me of the drama. But yeah, I, I, so my journey kind of started with just, it was just months and months and months prior, almost a year of just undiagnosed, you know, gut issues, sickness, weakness, weight loss, you know, and nobody could really figure it out. And what ended up happening, it was it was missed on a scan.

00:01:35:06 – 00:02:05:11
Jim Ladwig
And we later went back and was like, oh, my gosh, can’t believe we missed that. But I was diagnosed with colon cancer. And the the the way that it had kind of, you know, formed was blocking my digestion, which led to all kinds of other things, stage pylori and different things that needed to be addressed. And my one of my first calls was to Jordan Tedesco, and Jordan’s father is Joe Tedesco.

00:02:05:11 – 00:02:28:04
Jim Ladwig
He’s the founder of Healing 951. I had no idea what they did, you know, what it was about. And so I called Jordan said, hey, did you say your dad does something with like cancer and helping that? And he goes, Oh, yeah, yeah, let’s chat. So he introduced me to Joe and Joe and Jordan, you know, commenced in a couple of conversations about the product.

00:02:28:04 – 00:03:02:16
Jim Ladwig
In my situation and how it could help. And so I, I ended up going in and I, they had to remove the masks so it wasn’t blocking the digestion. But when it came time to have the conversation about, you know, follow with chemotherapy, radiation and other traditional treatments, I just felt that I was young and that I was, you know, otherwise fairly strong and, you know, decided that I wanted to try a more natural approach to to recovering after that and kind of cleaning up the gut health and things like that.

00:03:02:16 – 00:03:21:09
Jim Ladwig
So it spoke really loudly to me what Joe Tedesco had developed with the 95 one. And so I decided to get on the product and I got out and like right before my surgery and then I stayed on for about a hundred days, which is sort of typical, you know, suggestion in and my recovery was was pretty fantastic.

00:03:21:09 – 00:03:41:16
Jim Ladwig
My doctors were super thrilled. A lot of those gut issues just, you know, start resolving all these food sensitivities. I was having all that just, you know, tiredness, the brain fog, but just all the things that kind of come along with that. And then even even the the surgery recovery, everything was just, you know, it went so well.

00:03:41:16 – 00:04:01:11
Jim Ladwig
And I attributed so much of that to healing 951. Now, granted, I did. Do, you know, obviously some some diet lifestyle changes from what I was doing, I was in a pretty high stress environment, was able to, you know, address that and bring those levels down. So there’s certainly more things and I would never say that, you know, obviously, healing is the one thing you should do.

00:04:01:11 – 00:04:22:00
Jim Ladwig
But but it was it was a really big part of my journey. So, you know, as I was recovering, it was it was probably about, I don’t know, a little less than a year later, my doctor was just super throws. Like, I don’t know if I don’t really need to see you anymore. Things are going great on scans are coming back and two weeks ago Monday I had another follow up scan.

00:04:22:00 – 00:04:55:00
Jim Ladwig
Everything is great. No evidence of disease doing doing great. Feeling great. And you now super thankful. So after that, you know, it was a few years later that Jordan and Joe approached me and my background is in marketing. And so and so after I’d kind of gone through that, I took a deep dove into health and wellness and really started educating myself and bringing myself up to speed and, and then eventually started working here and was, was brought on to do to wear 50 different hats in the company.

00:04:55:00 – 00:04:57:03
Jim Ladwig
So yeah.

00:04:57:03 – 00:05:10:17
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s amazing. Congratulations, by the way. Seven years, seven years ago, you just got the reminder. So, I mean, what you’ve been doing obviously has been working well. I want to ask you, what was your diet like before diet and stress? What was that like before your diet? Yeah.

00:05:11:14 – 00:05:32:19
Jim Ladwig
Yeah. So, I mean, I was I like to my mom was I always say she’s kind of crunchy. You know, my mom is we are the ones that grew up with the organic blue chips, you know? And all my friends would come over and, you know, we like, you know, so we certainly you know, she made a lot of attempts to to have clean, you know, you know, low ingredient foods.

00:05:32:19 – 00:05:55:07
Jim Ladwig
And I, you know, strayed. I don’t think I was, you know, certainly not into that, you know, full on standard American diet. But definitely, you know, much worse than I was, you know, on on the on the back end of it. You know, now I’m you know, I watch a lot of what I eat very, very Whole Foods single, you know, just be outside of the grocery store type of thing.

00:05:55:07 – 00:06:16:20
Jim Ladwig
And but, you know, I didn’t feel I’ve never been a drinker. I’ve never been a smoker. I didn’t feel like it was it was crazy bad, honestly, but certainly needed improvement with a lot of my, you know, gut issues and things like that. I think a huge one for me, you know, I was in a really high stress job at the time.

00:06:17:13 – 00:06:40:08
Jim Ladwig
It was a contract I was on. And, you know, just a lot of a lot of outside influences affected that, whether it was, you know, from a from a job perspective or a spiritual perspective. I was, you know, struggling with a lot of, you know, stressful things and so it really did take some intentional effort to on both fronts.

00:06:40:08 – 00:06:55:23
Jim Ladwig
You know, I was I was very diligent with my diet, certainly a lot more water, cleaner water. I was a big, big, big shift for me. And then also getting, you know, just to where I alleviated a lot of that stress.

00:06:55:23 – 00:07:00:11
Nathan Crane
And did you quit your job or how do you how do you alleviate stress?

00:07:01:11 – 00:07:20:14
Jim Ladwig
I didn’t quit. I changed the contract. So I so I’ve had a marketing agency for years. And so I changed the contract. I started traveling less, you know, I was like, hey, you know, this is this is my wake up call. I need to figure out a different way of doing things smarter and smarter.

00:07:20:14 – 00:07:27:00
Nathan Crane
And smarter than you recognize. That and that you listened. Yeah. People who don’t change their stressful environment, things just get worse.

00:07:27:12 – 00:07:27:21
Jim Ladwig
Yeah.

00:07:28:03 – 00:07:29:19
Nathan Crane
I mean, you know. Yeah, go ahead.

00:07:30:03 – 00:07:48:15
Jim Ladwig
As it for me, you know, it’s like you get that kind of wakeup call and the money is not worth it. It wasn’t. It was less money. Yeah, I get it. Like, you know, and I had to make that cut. But spending time with my kids and family and yeah, you know, just having a life that’s worth living, it made way more sense to me.

00:07:48:15 – 00:07:50:04
Jim Ladwig
After that kind of a wakeup call.

00:07:51:03 – 00:08:19:24
Nathan Crane
You really begin to value good health when you’ve been sick. Yeah, and I’ve gone through that in my own life or I’ve been very, very sickly, especially as a teenager growing up and, you know, almost dead at 17, 18 years old. So I know what it’s like to be really sick, to be desolate, desolate, to be lost and isolated and angry and and really poor health, gut issues, you know, fatigue, tremendous stress.

00:08:20:17 – 00:08:49:02
Nathan Crane
I know what that’s like. It’s so anyone who’s been sick understands, you know, the value of good health. When you feel good, you have energy, you’re clear minded, you know, your body feels good. And generally people don’t think too much about it until they get sick, which is an unfortunate reality of our our brains today. And I think more than anything, it’s it’s more of our culture, because if you go to some Eastern cultures, you know, Japan’s a great example.

00:08:49:02 – 00:09:13:04
Nathan Crane
I mean, now things have changed. But for many, many years there are, you know, island cultures and eastern cultures that have always valued health and in fact, you know, have always thought of the body as a temple. This is the temple to bring me closer to God. This is the temple to I have to take care of it because it’s it’s housing my soul is my spiritual vehicle.

00:09:13:05 – 00:09:39:05
Nathan Crane
Right. And so they’ve always taken care of it. And, you know, sickness wasn’t even really concerned about because most people were healthy, you know, eating, eating real food, fresh food, lots of fruits and vegetables, lots of, you know, exercising, meditation, spiritual practices, you name it. It’s not until the last couple of hundred years that we’ve seen all this explosion of cancer rates and chronic disease rates and chronic disease epidemic.

00:09:39:12 – 00:10:01:07
Nathan Crane
I mean, I don’t have to tell you, Dr. Stone, you see patients every day. Right. And so, you know, valuing our health is so important. And I think that’s something that our current culture we really need to instill in our children and in schools and show the value of health and help explain, look, we don’t have to wait till we get cancer to actually try and prevent cancer.

00:10:01:07 – 00:10:29:05
Nathan Crane
Let’s you know, by that point, it’s too late to prevent it. Now you’re diagnosed. Now you got to do something about it. Let’s live healthy and eat healthy now so that we can prevent cancer. But I want to ask you, Dr. Stone, what are your thoughts on, you know, patients who are being diagnosed with diseases like cancer? And as it directly relates to stress, uh, you know, the chronic stress that people are experiencing today in our crazy, fast paced world.

00:10:29:19 – 00:11:02:08
Dr. Devin Stone
And of course, I think I mean, just anything emotional related in that aspect, stress or even traumas from the past, whatever that may be, which can elicit as stress in the body, definitely takes a huge toll on a patient. I think that’s something that oftentimes in a Western diagnosis is missed quite a bit as well. You see the tumor, you try to eradicate the tumor or go after that or forget some of these fundamental factors as well, like what is actually happening in the environment, everything from the food to actual the stress levels in your body as well.

00:11:02:08 – 00:11:27:19
Dr. Devin Stone
I think that’s something I definitely see with patients all the time from I mean, any disease, cancer, if it’s heart disease, if it’s diabetes, when you kind of really take that into play, what’s going on around them in terms of their relationships or their job atmosphere or even within their own selves, their own conversations. They’re internally having it themselves that causes stress or negative factors and the body plays a huge role in that.

00:11:27:19 – 00:11:49:07
Dr. Devin Stone
I mean, that’s and sometimes one of the hardest conversations actually as a doctor to have with the patient at that time, when you see that there is something really big and foundational in that area that you need to address it. And because it’s easier to tell someone, hey, clean up your diet, drink more water, they understand that really quickly about when the conversation starts to come up.

00:11:49:07 – 00:12:08:23
Dr. Devin Stone
Hey, maybe this is actually because of your job. Or maybe this is because of your partner that’s in your life today. But it’s for my end. It’s something that has to be addressed if you do see it as part of the overall picture of what’s contributing to disease and allowing the patient to obviously to take the most appropriate steps.

00:12:08:23 – 00:12:24:00
Dr. Devin Stone
But sometimes, like I said, that is the heart, a hard part to address for the doctor, but especially the patient, because they’re the ones that need to make obviously a huge shift and it’s an emotional shift which can just be a lot more difficult for someone to deal.

00:12:24:18 – 00:12:51:18
Nathan Crane
So let’s say Jim came to you seven years ago and you did, you know, a full workup on him. And you, you know, had an intake form and you realized, oh, my gosh, this job’s killing him, right? This job is contributing to his cancer. What would you tell him? What would you tell a patient who you know is going through something like Jim was like millions of people are today in very stressful jobs that they hate, that they don’t enjoy or a very stressful relationship that they hate or they don’t enjoy or whatever it is.

00:12:51:18 – 00:12:57:09
Nathan Crane
Right. Like, what would you actually have said to Jim or what would you say to your patients?

00:12:58:04 – 00:13:13:15
Dr. Devin Stone
Totally. I’m sometimes I like to take the approach to allow the patient to actually figure that out on their own and a little bit more of their own manner. So sometimes even like journaling, if I kind of see that and don’t want to write away it, say, Hey, this is your partner doing this or Hey, this is your job.

00:13:13:15 – 00:13:38:10
Dr. Devin Stone
Because like I said, that can hit hard at times. And I don’t want a patient to leave that meeting like, Oh, this doctor wants me to quit my job. That’s like finances like that could also detour from the whole treatment plan going forward. So journaling is something I found very productive where I tell someone every day just as you feel these emotions coming up where you’re feeling maybe a good day, bad day, write that down, write what was happening during that day.

00:13:38:10 – 00:14:01:17
Dr. Devin Stone
And then when you come back and maybe a month, two weeks later, whatever that is, let’s review it together. And sometimes that’s just a really good tool for people to see. Wow, it’s I keep seeing X happen when Y happens and that correlation just keeps happening over and over again. And then they come to the conclusion like, hey, I’m really seeing this is maybe a big part of this is my job as well if they didn’t see that before.

00:14:01:17 – 00:14:13:14
Dr. Devin Stone
So kind of putting the ball in their court on that side I think works at least the best for me to get a patient to that and kind of goal of seeing that side of the emotional piece of what can happen with the disease.

00:14:14:01 – 00:14:16:18
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s super smart, very, very beneficial.

00:14:16:18 – 00:14:34:02
Jim Ladwig
You have to say. I wish I had found Dr. Stone back in early on my diet. So I went through seven doctors to find someone who would actually listen to me. And it took a lot of self-education to get to what he just said. So it would have been nice to write about it fast. Tracked me a little bit.

00:14:35:05 – 00:14:47:01
Nathan Crane
Right? Hindsight’s always 2020, you know. So, Jim, what would you have done differently early on that you learned later on in your journey?

00:14:48:04 – 00:15:10:23
Jim Ladwig
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I look back and I think I made some good decisions. I mean, the one thing that I felt like I did well was be my own advocate. And so I think if anything, it’s just really improving, knowing what I know now, improving upon how I would advocate for my self. Because I did.

00:15:10:23 – 00:15:26:05
Jim Ladwig
I went through seven doctors and I just plowed through them and I was I would get anything from Oh, it’s just IBS or I mean some of them are as bold to say, oh, it’s in your head. You know, there’s just we’re not finding anything wrong, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:15:26:17 – 00:15:29:04
Nathan Crane
And it was it was in your head, right?

00:15:29:16 – 00:15:31:09
Jim Ladwig
It was.

00:15:31:14 – 00:15:50:24
Nathan Crane
But it wasn’t just your head. It was in your whole body that’s destroyed because it downregulate your nervous system. Yeah. Turns off your immune system. It doesn’t. It’s your your lymphatic system. This regulates your hormone system, your endocrine system. Right. That’s what people don’t realize. Stress, even a dog is all in your head and you’re like, The hell is this guy?

00:15:51:00 – 00:16:07:22
Nathan Crane
No, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I feel something, right? They don’t even know what they’re talking about either. But they are on the right track. You know, like you’re kind of in a roundabout way because literally our thoughts can create disease in the body, right? Our beliefs can create disease in the body. Our emotions create disease in the body.

00:16:07:22 – 00:16:28:08
Nathan Crane
Just like our thoughts, emotions and beliefs can create healing in the body. But you as a patient, knowing that you’re feeling these things, knowing that you feel terrible, knowing that you have these physical issues, and then a doctor saying there’s nothing wrong with you, it’s all in your head. Like that obviously is not the right thing for a doctor to say to you at that time because yeah, you know, you’re like, find a new doctor.

00:16:28:10 – 00:16:31:00
Nathan Crane
Yeah, exactly. Like, this guy doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about.

00:16:31:04 – 00:16:57:15
Jim Ladwig
Yeah. And you’re right. I mean, because there’s certainly I think a lot of times, you know, going back to what Devin said, I just I love, you know, his, you know, approach to it because it’s it’s there’s there’s there’s more to you than just this physical body, right? And addressing the issues that are that can kind of affect each other, you know, the mental issues, the stress issues, it’s all connected.

00:16:57:15 – 00:17:30:17
Jim Ladwig
And that was a that was kind of something I really hadn’t considered so much going into. It was how much that was just so connected and really drilling down and writing things down. I was keeping as I started, you know, educating myself, I was started keeping an I wish I had done it sooner was a food journal but also tied to just writing other stuff down, just, you know, typical journaling and and, you know, kind of associating like, oh, wow, like I would eat this thing and I would feel this way.

00:17:30:17 – 00:17:53:07
Jim Ladwig
But then also that was kind of affecting my thoughts. But then my thoughts are also kind of affecting. So seeing that there was there are certainly patterns that things that I was consuming or wasn’t consuming was affecting how I was feeling and how I was thinking. And then vice versa, how I was thinking was also affecting the things that I was consuming.

00:17:53:07 – 00:18:08:11
Jim Ladwig
So understanding that connection was was huge for me and understanding that honestly just, just putting together that it was so connected was it was really you.

00:18:08:11 – 00:18:22:17
Nathan Crane
What, what did you what were the biggest changes that you made in your diet once you found out you had cancer and you went down this kind of rabbit hole of diet and nutrition and like, what were the big, big changes that you made? Yeah. As you were, you know, recovering.

00:18:23:16 – 00:18:49:08
Jim Ladwig
Yeah. For me, I made a lot of changes around, you know, obviously ultra processed foods, you know, really just have really no place, you know, and in what I was doing, you know, especially, you know, there’s there’s an element of, you know, when I was traveling more, it was convenient and it became quite inconvenient to travel, but I still had to make it work.

00:18:49:08 – 00:19:06:06
Jim Ladwig
I mean, you still got to, you know, pay the mortgage. So, you know, you got to eat. You got to put food on the table for the kids. And so for me, it really was figuring out how to travel and not have, you know, either ultra processed foods or, you know, fast food type of things.

00:19:06:13 – 00:19:12:09
Nathan Crane
And are you saying are you trying to tell me that that sloppy Joes and Snickers aren’t good for you?

00:19:12:19 – 00:19:20:22
Jim Ladwig
Not ideal, no, that’s crazy. But I do. You can confirm this, Dr. Stone, but, you know, I’m no doctor.

00:19:22:12 – 00:19:26:12
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s. That’s the doctor in the room. I don’t know. Jim, I think you’re off.

00:19:26:12 – 00:19:33:01
Dr. Devin Stone
Yeah, yeah. Hold that comment.

00:19:33:01 – 00:20:00:09
Jim Ladwig
You know, I’m big. Sure you’re coming after us. Yeah. I mean, honestly. So those are some of the biggest changes were, you know, how do I get more of foods? How do I get more vegetables? And what I found, honestly, was my my best friend was these grocery delivery services. I’d get to my hotel room and I would just have, you know, bags of groceries coming in with, you know, like apples and just, you know, things that you’re not going to find at a hotel, that’s for sure.

00:20:00:20 – 00:20:22:21
Jim Ladwig
And it was just super inconvenient again. So I would I would often just prepare my own food. And that was that was such a huge transition for me, was to figure out and really, it was very inconvenient. It was. And that’s just part of the give and take that, you know, living, you know, putting your health first and focusing on how it’s not going to be convenient.

00:20:22:21 – 00:20:51:06
Jim Ladwig
I mean, and it’s also, you know, from a taste perspective, you know, it’s not always going to be the most delicious thing, but it’s so worth it in the end to to go that extra little effort and start, you know, even it’s just layering things in. And then another big one for me was hydration. I think that that was a real significant improvement was was getting good water, clean water, focusing on the types of, you know, water that I’m taking.

00:20:51:06 – 00:20:53:11
Jim Ladwig
So yeah, I mean, those are those were really big things for me.

00:20:53:16 – 00:21:16:11
Nathan Crane
The first stop that we make when we travel, my wife and I and our kids, when when I travel, very often we travel together, whether it’s myself or us as a family. The first stop we make as soon as we land is a grocery store every time. I mean, it’s just it’s just become, you know, four years because it’s like, you know, I got focused on eating healthy for 15 years, 15 plus years ago.

00:21:16:11 – 00:21:36:24
Nathan Crane
And so I was like, well, look, there’s very few healthy restaurants. There’s very few, you know, plant based and plant based since, you know, that just about that long as well. And so even back then, there was very few options. And even when we started, we were 100% raw. So was even more different, way more difficult if you’re totally raw vegan, for example, there were not there were like no restaurants.

00:21:36:24 – 00:21:42:12
Nathan Crane
And, you know, it’s very you go to a restaurant, they’re like, well, what is this? We have lettuce that is that good for like.

00:21:42:23 – 00:21:44:22
Jim Ladwig
Tomato.

00:21:44:22 – 00:22:03:03
Nathan Crane
Lettuce and tomato. Is that does that work for, you know, in half the time they’re like, get out of here, you know, you crazy person. So that’s just been a habit. And like you said, yeah, it may not be convenient, but actually over the years, like, it’s never it just doesn’t bother me because I’m like, I know my health important.

00:22:03:03 – 00:22:18:24
Nathan Crane
And so I’ll do what it takes. I mean, if I spend an extra hour after I land to go to the grocery store and and load up on things that I know that, you know, when we’re not not able to get to a restaurant or whatever nowadays, like you can find restaurants in every city that can provide healthy food.

00:22:18:24 – 00:22:39:00
Nathan Crane
Like you just you have to be able to ask the right questions and, you know, choose selectively from the menu. But everywhere we go, like I can find healthy options, but I still go. I still get the grocery store every single time we travel and get, you know, load up on fruit and some veggies to snack on and some, you know, drinks and stuff like that.

00:22:39:00 – 00:23:00:16
Nathan Crane
That’s that way. We always, you know, dates and organic dates, you know, apples, bananas, blueberries, carrots, you know, celery and hummus, things where it’s like you’re not grabbing the potato chips, you’re not grabbing the Snickers, you’re not grabbing that stuff when you because when you’re out and you’re busy and you’re hungry, you know, and it’s like you’re that that’s the problem.

00:23:00:16 – 00:23:15:11
Nathan Crane
You have to watch out for busy, hungry and then stressed out. And that’s when you’re going to choose really poor food qualities, right? And so it’s like you have those healthy food choices around you always because you plan ahead. That’s that’s the secret sauce there.

00:23:16:06 – 00:23:30:15
Jim Ladwig
It’s just developing a new habit. I mean, it really is. And like you say, you’ve been doing it long enough. I’ve been doing it long enough that I’m used to it. You know, I plan for it. It’s not a you know, at first it seemed very inconvenient, but now it’s just how you live becomes.

00:23:30:15 – 00:23:47:04
Nathan Crane
Part of your life. It becomes lifestyle, right? It’s like at first you’re like, this is terrible. And then after a while you’re like, Oh, this is just a normal part of my life. What do you what do you think about diet when it comes to cancer? Dr. Stone? What do you advise your patients on? What do you usually looking for and helping them to change in their diets?

00:23:48:06 – 00:24:13:12
Dr. Devin Stone
Definitely so. I think that’s always a huge find foundation to like for us as naturopathic doctors, starting with foundations to cure is the way we’re trained. So that stress level is definitely a peace diet. Water exercise, some sleep levels, but with diet obviously always diving into that for every single patient. What I like to do is always start trying that removed before I’m adding things into their diet.

00:24:13:12 – 00:24:45:18
Dr. Devin Stone
So looking at the areas where there may be adding different items into their dietary day that actually could be contributing to cancer. So definitely the processed foods, the excess sugars, all these preservatives, stuff that maybe has higher pesticide loads, heavy metal type of foods. So really looking at those first and trying to remove them and then starting to build a better get the better dietary plan for them after that point there to kind of show them first, hey, this is actually contributing to your cancer.

00:24:45:18 – 00:25:07:02
Dr. Devin Stone
Let’s remove these items from your diet. Now let’s start working on foods that we know support your body for fighting and hoping to eradicate cancer down the road as well. So kind of take it typically in a stepwise approach and then obviously it’s always to the patient as well. I mean, there’s some patients that I work with, they’re like, I just want to go full in.

00:25:07:13 – 00:25:26:19
Dr. Devin Stone
Obviously money is an issue too. When it comes to food as well, how you can eat areas that you live in still. So those type of considerations come into place too, to just make sure we could obviously clean up diet, make it the best, fit the patient in that time and setting to set them up to the most success possible.

00:25:27:09 – 00:25:57:16
Dr. Devin Stone
So definitely seeing that the hardest worked that area down here in San Diego called La Maestro, which was a California center that was all free based medicine down here, and it was of a lower socioeconomic area there. So that was a lot harder to fully revamp. Someone’s diet. You can’t tell someone to go to Whole Foods, just switch to a fully organic diet, remove this because it’s just not possible in some settings.

00:25:57:16 – 00:26:18:07
Dr. Devin Stone
So there was a big factor of, okay, let’s start really definitely removing some of these items that we know are contributing. Maybe some of the chips you’re grabbing as a snack like we were talking about or some of the processed foods and start working with just Whole Foods in general, just starting to move over to stuff that you still can cook.

00:26:18:07 – 00:26:26:00
Dr. Devin Stone
Obviously there’s levels of going up from there, but just switching to a whole food diet is sometimes even just a great, great place to start with there.

00:26:26:00 – 00:26:47:07
Nathan Crane
And well, working with cancer patients like that’s what I find. You know, when we’re talking about diet specifically, it’s like the, the first thing people need to understand is the problems with the specific foods that they’re eating. Right, like everyone has heard by this point. Yeah. Eat more whole foods, eat more fresh foods, eat more real foods, eat more plant foods.

00:26:47:07 – 00:27:18:08
Nathan Crane
Right. Like everyone’s hearing that. But then you get all kinds of confusing information from different people online that say, oh, don’t eat plants, they’re bad for you, they’re going to kill you, which is total nonsense, you know. And then they go, Oh, I can’t eat plants. And so now there’s all this confusion that people are having online. But let’s say, generally speaking, anybody who has at least been wanting to learn about health has probably heard of eat more fresh foods, more real foods, less processed foods, less processed sugar, more you know, plant foods and so forth.

00:27:19:01 – 00:27:39:02
Nathan Crane
But they still don’t see the problem with going to their favorite fast food restaurant and buying that burger and fries and eating it. They still don’t see the problem with having that Snickers or candy bar or whatever, you know, once a day. They still don’t see the problem with having that Big Gulp thing of, you know, soda or whatever.

00:27:39:02 – 00:28:03:05
Nathan Crane
They’re like, yeah, this this is normal. This is part of why would they sell it to me if it causes disease in my body, right? So like what? I mean, what that’s foundational is that you find that with your patients and it’s pretty foundational to teach on those core aspects of like, hey, these foods are contributing towards this is in your body and here’s how and what I mean.

00:28:03:05 – 00:28:07:18
Nathan Crane
What would you say about that to people who don’t see a doctor? I think that.

00:28:07:21 – 00:28:28:17
Dr. Devin Stone
Whole education side is the biggest piece possible. I mean, I think that’s also why being trained in the way I got trained, I love so much just because it’s not just, hey, you have this disease, here’s your plan. I got to get on to the next one. Right now, it’s really. Yes. Talking about and helping diagnose properly, but teaching the ways to actually live a healthier life, too.

00:28:28:17 – 00:28:47:14
Dr. Devin Stone
And diet is, like we’re saying, a big, big part of that. Like in our clinics that we have, we work with patients throughout the year. We see patients every single month. But then we also have health coaches that they have to meet with. So if it was like a oncology patient, I’m working with, yes, I’m going to start talking about, hey, we need to clean up your diet.

00:28:47:14 – 00:29:09:03
Dr. Devin Stone
But then they’ll spend another 2 hours with one of our health coaches to dove into these topics because the education piece is the biggest factor. It’s understanding what happens when this food enters your mouth, what it’s actually doing to your body, how that’s actually contributing to disease. Because without knowing all of those processes fully, it’s like what you’re saying and not everyone’s going to get it right away.

00:29:09:05 – 00:29:33:21
Dr. Devin Stone
They it’s out there. It’s the mass way of eating actually is all of these unhealthy foods. It’s harder to find healthy foods than these unhealthy ones. So when it’s everywhere, it almost seems like we kind of recoil. And even what is food today, especially children growing up nowadays like they will have even seen as normal foods is what our grandparents have seen as they were growing up.

00:29:33:21 – 00:29:59:15
Dr. Devin Stone
So even just teaching people what actual food is again and how that actually contributes to your body versus causing all these inflammatory processes and cancer promoting processes in the body. Once that’s really understood, I think that kind of flips a switch a little bit where it’s not just, hey, this is fuel, this is just something to make my stomach feel better, not be hungry for the day here.

00:29:59:15 – 00:30:09:01
Dr. Devin Stone
But it’s actually messages to the body that tells it what to do, good or bad. And understanding that I think is just a huge piece. One stop right there kind of happens.

00:30:09:15 – 00:30:30:15
Nathan Crane
So can you talk a little bit about those processes for people who don’t know, like let’s say somebody is eating, you know, an ultra processed candy bar or, you know, a fast food burger and fries and whatever with all the sauces. And I think something I saw something about Chick-Fil-A that like one of their chicken sandwiches has like 20 or 30 something ingredients in it.

00:30:30:15 – 00:30:55:02
Nathan Crane
And it, you know, there’s like should be like four or five ingredients and there’s like some crazy number two or three dozen in there. And that’s not just Chick-Fil-A. That’s all fast food, right? All fast food, processed food. So if you can for people, take a minute and explain when you’re eating that way, those processed foods, processed ultra, you know, let’s talk about ultra processed primarily, right.

00:30:55:02 – 00:31:03:21
Nathan Crane
These fast foods, these candy bars, these potato chips, stuff like that. What what’s happening to the body and why should they be concerned about it?

00:31:04:20 – 00:31:26:09
Dr. Devin Stone
Definitely so. So I think it comes down to especially what you just said when you look at the list of all of these ingredients on there. I mean, even if you wanted to compare. Exactly, you said a Chick fil A, a chicken sandwich versus someone maybe make an organic chicken sandwich at home where it’s maybe just chicken flour, some salt water, maybe a few vegetables on their lettuce.

00:31:26:09 – 00:31:47:00
Dr. Devin Stone
Then you look at the other side where it’s a laundry list of 50 different items on there. And then it really just takes into consideration at that point, what are these 50 other items like most people don’t even think about that because you grab the food, you don’t look at this whole list of ingredients, you just think it’s maybe made the same way as what you think it would be.

00:31:47:00 – 00:32:12:12
Dr. Devin Stone
But we take all of these chemicals once they’re in our body, they signals different cellular pathways that could be very negative to the body. I kind of like to tell patients, it’s like you think about even maybe a medication that you’re taking. It’s a small drug, small delivery system. If you look at the back of some of these foods, it’s a whole laundry list of different chemicals that are going to signal your body to do different things.

00:32:12:12 – 00:32:46:08
Dr. Devin Stone
And many of the times these are promoting inflammatory pathways. So this is like contributes to all diseases, inflammation and some standpoint, from cancer to diabetic onsets of disease or joint disease, whatever it is, it starts to promote these pro-inflammatory pathways. So what happens? It goes to cells. It goes to your immune system, it starts increasing certain proteins and what we call interlink interleukins and cytokines, which then start signaling your body to say, Hey, I’m inflamed, starts attacking itself.

00:32:46:08 – 00:33:12:21
Dr. Devin Stone
And that just starts this whole cascade of a disease process happen. It’s not going to happen day one, but day after day we need to eat every single day. Obviously it keeps cascading on itself. And then ultimately one of the most foundational reasons why, especially here in the United States, where we do have so much chronic disease, I thoroughly contribute to our dietary ways, is here.

00:33:12:21 – 00:33:31:12
Nathan Crane
Exactly. That’s I mean, we know that chronic inflammation is one of the underlying core causes of cancer. Right. So when we’re looking at diet and lifestyle, it’s like, what are the things that are going to support the body in reducing the inflammatory processes? And if we do that, then we’re going to be starting to address the cause, right?

00:33:31:12 – 00:33:58:17
Nathan Crane
We’re going to be getting at the root versus just managing symptoms, which is what most conventional care does is just look at the symptom and let’s see how we can, you know, address that and fight it. You know, cancer is a symptom. Cancer is not a cause of anything. Right? Cancer is a symptom. And the problem with our the problem that I think that we have with our conventional medical model is we we look at cancer as as the cause of this is the problem.

00:33:58:17 – 00:34:17:20
Nathan Crane
We’ve got to get this out of your body. And in some cases, like in your case, gym surgery can be very helpful. Right. Because of his blocking your ability to defecate, to release the toxins out through your feces. And it’s very painful. Like, yeah, surgery could save your life, right? Chemotherapy, radiation could save someone’s life in the right circumstances.

00:34:18:02 – 00:34:39:20
Nathan Crane
But in most cancers, from what I’ve seen, all the research I’ve done, doctors I’ve interviewed, the cancer patients we’ve worked with, it’s it’s very often that, hey, if you took a natural approach or holistic approach, maybe you would actually get a better approach at hitting the root cause of this, which is not the cancer, it’s the inflammation, it’s the DNA damage, it’s the mitochondrial dysfunction then, right.

00:34:39:21 – 00:35:04:17
Nathan Crane
That’s caused the environment for the cancer to thrive in your body. And so, you know, supplements are a big part of that. Diet’s a big part of it. You know, stress reduction is a big part of it. You know, you talk a little bit about healing 951 gym, you know, that’s a product that you’ve used. I use it personally as a just as a personal supplement just for overall health and nutrition and prevention.

00:35:05:01 – 00:35:26:22
Nathan Crane
You know, I’ll drink it in the mornings and, you know, I use it because I’ve seen the studies on how beneficial it is in terms of supporting the body, you know, fighting against cancer. And so I know, Dr. Stone, you it with your patients, right, Jim? You used it in your protocol. You guys want to talk a little bit about healing 951 what it is because I think it’s a phenomenal product.

00:35:26:22 – 00:35:51:16
Nathan Crane
I’ve I’ve, you know, been recommending it, promoting it for years. I think, you know, yes, it tastes very strong. It’s not you know, a lot of people are turned off by the taste, but I use your guys’s mint powder in it and it’s totally fine. It tastes good with that. But when you look at the studies behind it and you look at all the case studies, it’s like to me it’s a no brainer if you have cancer or you’re trying to prevent cancer.

00:35:51:16 – 00:36:10:24
Nathan Crane
Like it’s to me, it’s a no brainer to have as one of your support systems in your health protocol. And that’s why I tell people you should always approach health from a holistic perspective mental, emotional, physical, environmental, relational and spiritual. We look at all these areas of our lives and we take care of each one of these areas.

00:36:11:09 – 00:36:29:06
Nathan Crane
Then we’re going to be on a much better path towards health, happiness, fulfillment in life, you know, and a lot of people I notice will get stuck on the supplements like, oh, this is a great supplements, got a lot of good studies, let me just do this. But they’re stressed out. They’re eating a Chick-Fil-A every single day or processed food or whatever.

00:36:29:11 – 00:36:42:09
Nathan Crane
They’re not sleeping well. And it’s like, I’m sorry that that’s something that by itself, if you’re not doing all these other things like you’re not going to get nearly as much benefit if you’re actually addressing these other core areas of your life, which you guys agree.

00:36:44:03 – 00:37:12:06
Dr. Devin Stone
Now, definitely for myself, just having that conversation yesterday, like those foundational pieces under necessary and sometimes even that may may be the cure and it’s I’m just doing that’s not even eating like the way once again we’re trained it’s we even see like a supplement being a higher tier of intervention before you even working on those if we could make someone heal by just working on these foundational lifestyle aspects, you could get a lot of movement and a lot of healing done there alone.

00:37:12:06 – 00:37:35:17
Dr. Devin Stone
And oftentimes if you do need to move up to those supplements, allows the supplements to work even better. Like if you’re working on your diet and you’re working with even like a supplement like healing where you’re trying to decrease inflammation, you’re trying to go after cancer cells when the body is at its most vital state, it’s going to allow these to even function so much stronger in the body once that gets going there.

00:37:37:09 – 00:38:08:19
Jim Ladwig
I had a one of my doctors is kind of one of the quotes. She always tells me, you can’t supplement your way to health. It’s just it’s just so much more than that. It’s, you know, it could be a big part of it, but it’s it’s it’s not just I think in the allopathic metal model of, of of health care, health care, you the idea of just taking a drug and continuing on with your life is somehow permeated into, you know, the more wellness industry.

00:38:08:19 – 00:38:35:07
Jim Ladwig
And unfortunately, you know, I think a lot of people do. They just want to take something and continue living their life. And this somehow corrects whatever problem we’ve caused over all these years. And unfortunately, you know, I wish to work like that, but it just does it. And I love Devin’s approach to your Doctor Stone’s approach, because it is it’s so much more it’s and sometimes these things, I mean, sometimes things can be, you know, dramatically improved just by drinking more water.

00:38:35:16 – 00:38:52:16
Jim Ladwig
And it’s really something that simple or exercising more or just getting out and going for a walk. And and that honestly, that’s just the most ideal situation. It’s like, Oh, geez, I just got to walk more great. You know, that’s I just got to drink more water. Great. But sometimes it does need, you know, something more.

00:38:53:13 – 00:39:14:18
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s what we do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, totally in supplements have their place and then come back to talk about healing in a second because yeah I want people to know about it is such a good product but I wanted to show this. You see my screen. All right. So I found the ingredients for the what is this?

00:39:15:00 – 00:39:40:00
Nathan Crane
We’re picking on Chick-Fil-A right now, but mean this is true for basically every fast food restaurant the Chick-Fil-A deluxe sandwich. I’ve actually I stopped eating fast food in San Diego I think the last fast food restaurant that I ate at was the Heck Was Like a Jack in the Box. This was probably 2005, 2006. And I, I ate it one morning and I got sick after it, and I was just like, that’s it.

00:39:40:01 – 00:39:59:20
Nathan Crane
No more fast food. Now, that’s I think I ate. So it’s not totally true because I think there is that one fast food restaurant in California that has San Diego. The real famous one was like the hidden menu. What was that called? You know, in and out. So I didn’t eat in and out of like probably three times when I lived there over the course of that next year.

00:40:00:03 – 00:40:23:07
Nathan Crane
So I think 2000, 6007 was the last time I ate like a fast food restaurant like this. But look at this. Look at this one, one. Look at all these ingredients in here, in one single sandwich. Let’s see if I can zoom in for people now, to be fair, you know, some of these things like pickles, let’s see, you know, pickles includes cucumbers, water, vinegar, salt like nothing too crazy.

00:40:23:07 – 00:40:51:23
Nathan Crane
They’re right. They add some calcium chloride and potassium sorbate as preservatives. You know, you could talk one way or the other, those actually good for you or causing problems, you know. But you look in here then soy lecithin like that’s super processed, very highly processed. Organic soy is incredibly good for you. And we have dozens and dozens of studies proving that you start to process it down into a soy lecithin or even soybean x.

00:40:53:05 – 00:41:20:02
Nathan Crane
I’ve seen studies with. So, you know, one of the only studies that we have that actually shows that soy is not you know, it has a negative effect is it’s a soy isolate protein that was done in that study. Right. And so the more you process buttered flavored oil, this is literally not even something real. This is an oil that they take, a fake flavoring that makes it taste like butter.

00:41:20:02 – 00:41:42:02
Nathan Crane
There’s nothing real about this, right? It’s soybean oil, palm kernel oil, soy lecithin, natural flavor, which can be one of any thousand ingredients. Right. And then beta carotene like this is so highly processed, it’s insane. You know, they add in some niacin and thiamin and some vitamins in here because otherwise you would be getting probably nothing healthy at all for you.

00:41:42:02 – 00:42:25:11
Nathan Crane
So they have to add in some of those vitamins to their credit. But, you know, you got a malted barley flour. They have an anti foam agent with the methyl poly psylocke saying, I bet you I could find studies on this that show prior either probable carcinogen or possible carcinogen or endocrine disrupting. I bet you I mean, I could probably look it up right now and just see, I bet you, because most of the time I look up these kinds of ingredients and then I’ll go look at studies and I’ll see like they’ve already done studies that show that, oh, this highly processed thing as a food additive is it disrupts your immune system, your

00:42:25:19 – 00:42:52:09
Nathan Crane
endocrine system messes with your hormones. You know, they do rat studies and go, oh, we actually saw a higher increase of cancer. Like I said all the time, when I look up these kinds of super process ingredients right? Like this is just insane. And this is what people need to realize. This one sandwich, which normally if you ate this at home, would have zero sugar, by the way.

00:42:52:21 – 00:43:16:17
Nathan Crane
Right? Zero. It should have zero sugar. No processed sugar, no added sugar. Carbohydrates, converting to glucose, you know, or fructose, whatever carbs you’re having, that’s a healthy sugar and it’s full form. But look at this. They add sugar to this to make you addicted to it. They add processed ingredients to make you addicted to it. They add processed oils and all kinds of they call natural flavors.

00:43:16:17 – 00:43:37:05
Nathan Crane
These are not very natural, I promise you. They’re not supernatural, especially if they’re not organic. Right. Pasteurized. Oh. Plus it’s got MSG. Everybody’s now heard of the dangers and problems with the MSG, the problems near, you know, the neurological potential issues with it. Oh, look, they have more sugar added up here, right? Like it’s just nonstop. You’ll find sugar.

00:43:37:11 – 00:44:04:20
Nathan Crane
Sugar, yeast. I bet you we can find sugar like four or five times in here. They add it to just about everything. And so when you go and look at the sugar content of this is a slightly different sandwich. Which one? They look at the deluxe Chick-Fil-A Deluxe. So let’s look at that sugar content, Chick-Fil-A Deluxe Sandwich, Sugar content, seven grams of sugar.

00:44:04:20 – 00:44:31:08
Nathan Crane
Look at their popular one up here, the honey pepper, pimento 16 grams of sugar. These are sandwiches which should have zero sugar, honey pepper, grilled filet, 15 grams of sugar. I mean, we know how bad sugar is for cancer, right? Sugar three. I mean, how bad? Yeah, sugar is for cancer. Cancer thrives on sugar. And you know, when you have a cancer diagnosis, avoiding processed sugar is probably a pretty good idea.

00:44:31:08 – 00:44:35:17
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Oh, yeah.

00:44:37:01 – 00:44:50:05
Jim Ladwig
Yeah. That’s not those ingredients list. They get a little overwhelming. It’s just best to avoid. If you can’t make it in your own kitchen, you might want to rethink it.

00:44:50:05 – 00:45:10:09
Nathan Crane
Exactly. That’s what it comes down to eating, you know, to see real food, guys, to see real food that comes from the earth, you know, eat more fruits and vegetables, eat more legumes and nuts and seeds and berries. Like if if God made it, if it’s growing on the planet, if it’s something you can grow in your backyard, that’s what you should be eating.

00:45:10:17 – 00:45:31:11
Nathan Crane
And if it comes out of a laboratory and filled with all kinds of processed sugar and man made chemicals, we should probably rethink not eating that. And the habit is just not buying that stuff and finding other things to replace it with. Right? If you like the crunch of potato chips like let’s try some different kinds of things.

00:45:31:11 – 00:45:54:03
Nathan Crane
Like, you know, I love celery and hummus or like carrots and hummus or a like a salsa Fresca with that, you know, you get that crunch from the carrots or from kind of fresh cucumber or from, you know, bell peppers. Oh, my gosh, your body’s little sweet bell peppers and eat those with, like, hummus or salsa Fresca or, you know, an avocado dip.

00:45:54:12 – 00:46:15:12
Nathan Crane
It’s amazing. You start to retrain your palate and then those foods that you didn’t think tasted good. Once you stop eating the highly processed, highly sugar foods and eat more of the real, you know, foods, your tastebuds go back to the way they’re supposed to be, which is those foods actually start tasting amazing, don’t they? Yeah.

00:46:15:12 – 00:46:18:16
Jim Ladwig
Yeah, it’s a shift.

00:46:18:16 – 00:46:44:00
Nathan Crane
So we talked about soy. You know, there’s I’ve talked about soy so many times in my community because there’s so much misinformation. Avoid soy sauce is bad for you. Soy causes cancer, soy increases, estrogen, etc., etc., which you and I know that’s nonsense, but can you talk a little bit about soy sauce? I know that’s one of the core ingredients that is the main ingredient in the healing 1951 product, which, you know, cancer patients use every day.

00:46:44:00 – 00:46:47:10
Nathan Crane
And somehow they see incredible benefits from it.

00:46:47:10 – 00:47:16:11
Jim Ladwig
Yeah, it’s it’s wild. And I come from a background where I was very anti soy. I came from that camp and I have books on my shelf back here that are demonizing soy and going through all the things. And so it was, it was some unlearning. And on my quest of why I should avoid soy, I ended up becoming kind of pro soy and understanding what’s really happening.

00:47:16:11 – 00:47:44:10
Jim Ladwig
And kind of the process of how it got it got demonized and how it got a bad name. And and really, you know, there are some aspects of it, like, you mentioned, you’ve got these highly processed soybean oils and the soy protein isolates and things that really have no business. You know, it’s just it’s at that point, you’re so far beyond what soy really is that it doesn’t have a kind of a place in the conversation because they’re not great.

00:47:44:17 – 00:48:17:01
Jim Ladwig
And so what we’re doing is we allow people understand, so soy beans, there’s over 2000 different varieties of soy. And so not all of those soy beans are created equal. Some are grown for trans and some are grown for highly processed soybean or some are grown for coffee. So understanding what the different species of soy are are, what their what their phytonutrient profile is, how and how they’re grown is a really big deal.

00:48:17:01 – 00:48:41:18
Jim Ladwig
And and one of the problems we do run into here in the U.S., and I’m sure a lot of your listeners understand this, is is that there’s one main company out there that has a patent on a genetic, genetically modified soy that is very invasive and cross-pollinate its with anything around it and then turns that into it’s soy.

00:48:41:18 – 00:49:07:00
Jim Ladwig
So about 95% of the soy produced in the U.S. is this kind of can be problematic and it’s really grown for that speed growing and that that you know things like like I said like crayons and even, you know, fuel and things like that. So understanding that where the soil is coming from because in its in its pure state and it’s in its original state, man is an awesome plant.

00:49:07:00 – 00:49:40:23
Jim Ladwig
It’s a complete protein. Your amino acid profile is quite robust. It has things like you talked about the, the, the phytonutrient like Jennison is a is a phyto estrogen very misunderstood for years now. Holy cow. The benefits that people are seeing and the study is coming out in the last just five, six, seven, eight years on Jennison with anything from cancer to menopause to inflammation to, you know, just so many different things that it helps to regulate the the estrogens in the body.

00:49:41:04 – 00:50:09:09
Jim Ladwig
It’s not promoting these skyrocketing estrogen levels like they originally thought. It’s really helping to balance and regulates the calcium, a selective estrogen receptor modulator. And, you know, just that’s just one of the many you know, there’s there’s the protease inhibitors. There are the phytosterols, which if you listen to the word phytosterols, sounds a lot like cholesterol. It’s the plant version which has kind of given soy its reputation, you know, in the cholesterol space and and helping to regulate that.

00:50:09:09 – 00:50:37:18
Jim Ladwig
So the benefits are just fantastic when you get the right species and it’s grown correctly, you’re growing organically. And then to take those benefits to the next level, really fermentation is just an absolute must. I mean, the fermentation process is great. So that’s where you see, you know, cultures that have a rich heritage with soy. It’s not a keto and, you know, fermentation with that not a kidney’s enzyme.

00:50:37:18 – 00:51:14:04
Jim Ladwig
And it’s things like tempeh and you know, from fermented tofu and even fermented soybean drinks are things that are very commonplace. One, to help preserve it and to maintain that value, but then also to increase its ability to affect the body in a good way, that bioavailability, the way that those nutrients are processed, and then even how some of them you you actually change the chemical structure in the fermentation to where you’re creating new fermentation metabolites and things that are just, just wildly beneficial.

00:51:14:13 – 00:51:41:24
Jim Ladwig
And so that’s kind of where, you know, our product started was seeing those benefits of soy and we kind of take that to a whole new level, you know, from a from a soy perspective, which, you know, I’m sure we can get into, but I don’t know if there’s anything on soy to Dr. Stone’s really, you know, been a great resource for us and understanding and kind of educating folks on some of the misconceptions of soy that have crept in over the years, but then some amazing benefits.

00:51:47:19 – 00:52:16:11
Dr. Devin Stone
And all this piggy back off that real quick. Just like both of you. I was also in the camp of soy is bad for quite some time like even through medical school that I had professors you’d hear on both sides. Some would absolutely love it. Some were not. And I think it just also comes down just to that education piece, because when healing reached out to me the first time on to talk about what we’re doing today and me helping their company it was just a company that I really fell in love with quickly.

00:52:16:18 – 00:52:33:01
Dr. Devin Stone
I do a lot on social media, so you’re always getting these brands asking you to do things and not really something I’m usually very interested in doing, but once I pulled up their products for the studies that they did, I saw what they were doing in the oncology space, which is something kind of dear to my heart there.

00:52:33:18 – 00:53:08:10
Dr. Devin Stone
It really just gravitated towards me. And then once that kind of started, I was like, Okay, they’re getting all of these amazing results and publications like I want to find out everything about soy to make sure I could speak on this the proper way going forward, because there’s obviously something deeper to this and that’s what really struck me is when you go into the studies, I mean, there’s almost nothing but just positivity coming on almost every single study and just even so much more to come because the nice part is like what Jim was saying, this product is the whole plant and fermented.

00:53:08:10 – 00:53:28:05
Dr. Devin Stone
It’s not that isolate like soy like that. Then that we’re looking at earlier, which within that there’s so many constituents within this plant that we know some of the mechanisms, we know what it’s doing, but there’s probably and hundreds of more that still need to be studied to figure out what all of these benefits potentially can be for someone.

00:53:28:05 – 00:53:57:08
Dr. Devin Stone
And that’s something I’m very looking forward to here in the future as well, is also looking at different ways healing could adapt into other patients lives as well. Because I think there’s just so many benefits across many diseases there. But I think it really comes down to first understanding really what soy is, good soy versus bad soy and what it’s really doing in your body there to see how this could be truly a food as medicine source.

00:53:57:08 – 00:54:22:23
Nathan Crane
Yeah. When we recommend soy to anyone, it’s always number one USDA certified organic. I always, you know, if you’re going to use soy because like you said, most of it’s genetically modified, most of it’s heavily sprayed with, you know, toxic herbicides. And so you want to make sure it’s USDA certified organic, number one, and then number two, as close to whole source as possible.

00:54:22:23 – 00:54:50:19
Nathan Crane
Right. And then fermented is like an additional benefit because you just get those extra benefits, as you talked about from fermentation. I mean, look at the healthiest people on the planet. I mean, look at, you know, people from China and Japan that go back thousands of years have eaten soy. Right. Soy has been a major staple crop protein source, amino acid source, you know, vitamin nutrient fiber source, especially it’s fermented form.

00:54:51:00 – 00:55:14:15
Nathan Crane
But not to mention in tofu, you know, in temples is another good fermented form. You know, tofu is is generally just soybean, some kind of calcium, calcium binder usually, and water like that’s it. That’s that’s about as processed as you want to get with something. You know, they’re not adding lots of manmade chemicals and junk additives and things like that to it.

00:55:14:15 – 00:55:41:16
Nathan Crane
And so, you know, now we have I mean, we have these populations of people who’ve eaten soy for thousands of years and have been very healthy with it, without massive cancer rates until recently until the, you know, Western diet has been exported and imported into these countries where they have all this ultra processed food and fast food, then you see, you know, and all the toxins and heavy metals and so forth and stress and then you see cancer rates skyrocket.

00:55:41:16 – 00:56:08:24
Nathan Crane
But for then, like people, you know, millions of people eating soy for many, many years, why didn’t everybody have cancer? Right. Why didn’t everyone have why didn’t men turn into women and why? You know what I mean? It’s like it obviously hasn’t happened because and when you look at the studies, it makes sense. Why? Because, number one, phytoestrogens in something like soy or plants have up to 1/1000000 of the effect of a human estrogen molecule.

00:56:08:24 – 00:56:32:20
Nathan Crane
So like, even if you get, you know, if you had a human aspirin molecule or you took a, you know, where they make synthetic estrogen from yams, for example. Right. The phyto estrogen in plants has somewhere between one and 1000 to 1 and a millionth of the effect. So people think I’ve heard these doctors, these carnivore doctors online talk about how, oh, don’t eat soy.

00:56:32:20 – 00:56:56:16
Nathan Crane
It’s so bad for you. It has ten times or 100 times the amount of estrogen that beef has for you. And it’s like if you compare the effect on the estrogen it actually has 100 times less of the effect the soy does than the amount of estrogen that you would get from beef, for example, because of its impact in the estrogen receptors in the body.

00:56:56:16 – 00:57:26:14
Nathan Crane
It also attaches to the beta receptor. Right, Jim. And Dr. Stone, you guys know this so that it helps prevent excess edge. It can help prevent excess estrogen, especially from xeno estrogens. Right. Plastics and things like that, from entering into our endocrine system, entering into our estrogen receptors, which is what you want. You want less. Zino Estrogens and process estrogens and estrogenic mimicking like molecules from the environment entering into your system because those will throw your energy system out of whack.

00:57:27:03 – 00:57:40:09
Nathan Crane
Whereas you’re getting these healthy phytoestrogens in tiny doses, even if you’re eating a lot of AIDS soy literally every single day. You know, I haven’t grown breasts yet. It’s been like.

00:57:40:18 – 00:57:42:21
Jim Ladwig
Oh, so you look pretty manly then?

00:57:43:04 – 00:58:02:24
Nathan Crane
I don’t know. I mean, some people might differ. I don’t I don’t know if, you know, it has been like 15 years. I think I’ve been eating soy and nothing’s happened yet. I’ll tell you what. And my wife’s been happy for the most part. So, you know. But even then, it’s not like, yeah, you know, single case study doesn’t really matter that much.

00:58:02:24 – 00:58:28:04
Nathan Crane
And yes, I test my disaster zone and all of that and that’s all great and normal. So the reality is, though, there are a lot of studies that show that increase or, you know, of of these, you know, especially fermented soy. I’ve seen some of these studies even on HeLa 951 has studies right where we see a positive benefit with estrogen related cancers, breast cancer, prostate cancer, for example.

00:58:28:10 – 00:58:44:22
Nathan Crane
And then you add in, you know, this kind of product and you actually see benefit from it. So if it was causing the cancer, then why would that cancer, you know, start to go away when you add in something like this, it’s clear the research is there where there’s lots of it, it’s just people just don’t know it.

00:58:44:22 – 00:59:06:23
Nathan Crane
So it’s important that we have this conversation so people realize, right, organic USDA certified, it, you know, fermented, you know, it doesn’t have to be fermented, but fermented does give you those extra benefits. And and then, you know, don’t be afraid of it. Right. It’s like realize that it is a nutritional powerhouse for your body. Yeah.

00:59:07:17 – 00:59:44:06
Jim Ladwig
Yeah, absolutely. That’s I mean, that’s a big understand understanding how, you know, especially with like just something as simple as the phytoestrogens and you know, there were originally back in the late nineties, you know, some into the early 2000s, there were some studies that came out that had some poor parameters and really were super misleading. A lot of those have been duplicated and kind of debunked, if you will, and really shown the exact opposite effect of what they were they were thinking and like you said, with that, that alpha versus the beta receptor is improving that ratio.

00:59:44:13 – 01:00:18:08
Jim Ladwig
Not only does it help, you know, with just general overall estrogen levels and blocking the zino estrogen like you talk about classic but it’s such an important factor when considering estrogen driven cancers particularly, you know, breast ovarian and for men, prostate all just such an important thing. And, you know, we get, you know, beyond the kind of cancer thing, we get a lot of women going through menopause and that I mean, to help with those symptoms of hot flashes, things like that, just a little bit every day.

01:00:18:08 – 01:00:41:16
Jim Ladwig
I mean, it’s it’s pretty significant the results that they’re seeing to to improve sleep and, you know, just the you know, the things that kind of come along with that transition in life and help balancing it out. And what you see is like back in the, you know, sixties, seventies, even into the eighties, it was so commonplace that, you know, women would just turn to soy to help regulate that.

01:00:41:22 – 01:00:59:19
Jim Ladwig
And then in the late nineties, it just kind of got this really bad rap and people were not doing it. But now we’re seeing, you know, really in the last six, seven, eight years, this resurgence of way, maybe that wasn’t so bad. Maybe we were on to something back there and we just kind of messed it up a little bit.

01:00:59:19 – 01:01:01:13
Jim Ladwig
Now we’re coming back to it. And so.

01:01:01:15 – 01:01:03:10
Nathan Crane
You know, that’s how it usually goes, right?

01:01:04:23 – 01:01:14:08
Jim Ladwig
Yeah. We’ve been doing we’ve been doing this for over 30 years. So we’ve our company has kind of seen all the ups and downs and we’re just like, hey, what we’re doing is working.

01:01:14:08 – 01:01:41:16
Nathan Crane
So that’s awesome. Well, I wanted to show this and then I know we’re we’ve got to wrap up. We’ve got a few minutes left. But I pulled up a study on one of the food additive emulsifiers that’s in that Chick-Fil-A sandwich, by the way. So it’s called DTM date M, right. That sounds like it grows from some kind of tree or a plant from the ground.

01:01:41:16 – 01:01:45:07
Nathan Crane
Does that sound like a bit like a berry bush or something or some kind of all.

01:01:45:08 – 01:01:49:19
Jim Ladwig
Capital letters is throwing me off. I don’t know where we’re going with this, I guess.

01:01:50:20 – 01:02:23:09
Nathan Crane
I don’t know. It sounds like, you know, maybe it’s a date, maybe it’s a special kind of date from from from California. Right. And I mean, this is just one that I found so far. I could probably find more if I dug in in the BMJ and they found it increased specifically this one. The the datum stands for like this really long name that I can’t pronounce, but higher intakes of it were associated with higher risks of all outcomes for cardiovascular disease.

01:02:23:19 – 01:02:46:04
Nathan Crane
So from cerebrovascular disease to a higher risk of scarlet cardiovascular disease, it was all associated with higher risk of cardiovascular disease and coronary heart disease. And this was a pretty decent study. This was a prospective cohort study recent in 2023. Right. And so I’m not showing this study the claim that, oh, if you eat Chick-Fil-A, you’re going to have heart disease.

01:02:46:04 – 01:03:08:19
Nathan Crane
Right? I’m not making that claim. But just point being, is that, number one, we don’t know what we don’t know about processed foods. And so and it takes years. It takes years. And in people who are interested in people with money and a good heart generally to even think about doing these studies to figure out are they truly safe?

01:03:09:03 – 01:03:36:22
Nathan Crane
Because the problem in this country is you don’t necessarily have to prove safety, not with vaccines, not with added, not with food additives, not with not with chemicals that go inside your shampoos and soaps, not even with things. You know, supplements are highly regulated, of course, unfortunately. But I know with pharmaceuticals and here’s the reason why you don’t have to prove true safety, which is why chemicals get passed all the time.

01:03:36:22 – 01:04:06:06
Nathan Crane
And then we don’t find out until years later. And thousands of people die. Vioxx is a great example. Right. And a lot of these studies get lied upon to and they lie about them. And then they also do short term studies. Three months, four months, six months. Oh, yeah. We didn’t see any major adverse effects. Yeah. What happens when you take that chemical, that additive every single day or four or five days a week for ten years, 20 years plus you have it mixed with this chemical and this additive and then this chemical and it’s out.

01:04:06:06 – 01:04:33:08
Nathan Crane
And now you have a soup, a toxic soup of manmade chemicals and additives that are going on your skin in your body every single day for years. What do you think is going to happen? Well, then we you know, then we find out, oh, this one disrupts hormones or this one is probable carcinogen. All right. So then they remove that one and then they come out with the next one and they make a bunch of money off of that for ten, 15 years and then find out, oh, that’s not a good one, right?

01:04:33:08 – 01:04:53:03
Nathan Crane
That one’s causing problems. So it’s so much easier just to be like, let’s eat real food, let’s eat a whole food, let’s eat organic soy, let’s eat, you know, organic fruits and vegetables as much as possible. Let’s eat real foods and nutrition. You know, if it’s going to be supplements, they are, you know, whole food based supplements. You know, healing.

01:04:53:03 – 01:05:14:19
Nathan Crane
951 is a good example, you know, where it’s it’s real foods without, a bunch of, you know, fake additives. And the odds are you’re going to be much better off than otherwise. So I just want to share that and any kind of closing thoughts you guys want to share. And then, you know, where can people get in touch with both of you and and yeah.

01:05:14:21 – 01:05:15:09
Nathan Crane
Go from there.

01:05:15:15 – 01:05:34:10
Jim Ladwig
Yeah. Yeah. Just a just a couple thought real thoughts was just thinking about, you know, we’ve talked a lot about soy and the benefits of soy, but I think, you know, one thing is kind of to just draw light to what we’re doing beyond just good soy, you know, so so we’ve we’ve seen that, you know, even adding dietary soy is great organic and, you know, fermented as being great.

01:05:34:10 – 01:05:51:17
Jim Ladwig
But what we’re doing is taking it to a whole new level. And, you know, we love when people try it. You know, one thing that there’s there’s there is two things that people talk about when when they talk about healing as kind of objections, if you will, is one it it doesn’t taste good. And, you know, that’s that’s one thing that, like you mentioned before, it’s got a strong taste.

01:05:52:01 – 01:06:20:10
Jim Ladwig
And, you know, when you look at the costs of it, you know, you can think, oh, wow, this is so why why does it cost this price? And so, you know, differentiating kind of what we’re doing, we’re growing in Mongolia at elevation and we’re hand harvesting £50 of soy to make one bottle. So it’s quite a different process than just a machine harvest, you know, high, high production of of soy that you would think is like 50.

01:06:20:10 – 01:06:24:12
Nathan Crane
Pounds of soy to make. Well, I didn’t even know that. £50 is. Yeah. One bottle.

01:06:24:21 – 01:06:41:19
Jim Ladwig
Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s I mean, it’s, it’s pretty, pretty good. I mean, you think of, you know, what it takes to make this maybe it’s £20. Oh, now I could be wrong. And I think it’s story about I think I said it wrong, but basically it’s essentially equivalent to about a five gallon bucket. You think of a five gallon of raw soy.

01:06:41:22 – 01:06:45:21
Jim Ladwig
Yeah, that’s what it takes to ferment down to one. So maybe it’s £20, 20.

01:06:46:10 – 01:07:05:06
Nathan Crane
£25, maybe fry about 20. That’s still a lot. I mean, that’s also preventing that down into a single bottle, right? I usually do what I do when I’m taking it. I’ll usually do like a half a bottle at a time. I know a good maintenance dose is generally like a quarter bottle a day, something like that.

01:07:05:06 – 01:07:07:05
Jim Ladwig
Or even an ounce. Yeah, one ounce might.

01:07:07:12 – 01:07:29:03
Nathan Crane
Yeah, but I usually like a half bottle at a time and then but yeah. So that’s, I mean that’s you’re talking about super concentration of all of the, you know, anti-cancer benefits in a single drink. So yeah, that makes sense. That’s like eating £20 of tofu, you know, versus just a cup, a few, a couple of ounces of, of of the drink.

01:07:29:04 – 01:07:48:21
Jim Ladwig
Yeah. Just taking a little, little shot of healing. And one of the things, too, that’s a little bit different that we’re doing is it’s not the typical fermentation like you would see. You know, you would you would do, you know, you’re like lacto fermentation. We’re doing a nitrogen fermentation and that nitrogen is a really effective delivery system for those specific compounds.

01:07:48:24 – 01:08:09:03
Jim Ladwig
One of them being that I survived in Jenison that we talked about is having a delivery mechanism because, you know, in the past, when you’ve looked at Jenison and these studies, you’ve got to take so much to see a benefit like what we’re seeing, because the delivery mechanism that we’re using is so effective and it really can just assimilate right into your body super quickly.

01:08:09:03 – 01:08:37:06
Jim Ladwig
It can affect those cells really quickly. And so, you know what we’re doing, we’ve we’ve really this process down over the years and I mentioned before we’ve been doing this over 30 years now and the product has really stood the test of time with not only, you know, the various studies, the results, but but really, you know, just just that day in, day out, like you said, that maintenance general health, we have so many people who are just they love it.

01:08:37:06 – 01:08:55:05
Jim Ladwig
The inflammation, the you know, the gut health, those those day to day things that just an ounce a day is pretty fantastic. And, you know, obviously have a more serious health condition. You know, you’re going to be taking more of it. And like you mentioned before, to get a hold of us, we love a phone call, know give us a phone call.

01:08:55:05 – 01:09:20:06
Jim Ladwig
Every situation is different. You might catch me on the phone. Personally, I would love to chat about the situation that you have and how you know what we’ve seen over the years might might apply and or you can visit us at healing 951 that’s lean 951. com tons of information there. It’s a really good resource not only for this general soy education, but also for our product specifically.

01:09:21:02 – 01:09:38:09
Nathan Crane
Well, yeah, I’ve when I’ve shared it with people, definitely hear that concern of, oh, this is super expensive, how can I afford this? And I, you know, and I talk to people like, well, what’s your what’s your focus on your treatment? Like, what are you focusing on? Where are you spending your energy? Where are you spending your money?

01:09:38:18 – 01:10:01:22
Nathan Crane
You know, where what’s important to you? I mean, a single of chemotherapy, you know, can cost you $100,000 for, you know, a single series of, you know, chemotherapy that runs you three months, maybe, for example. Right. Like you’re doing however many doses in there like that can be $100,000, right. Spread. And then a lot of people’s insurance isn’t going to cover it.

01:10:01:22 – 01:10:22:23
Nathan Crane
Maybe you’re paying 10,000 that maybe you’re I mean, bankruptcy from health care bills is, you know, health care in this country is the number one reason for bankruptcy. It’s insane. Right. And did that actually help you heal? And so I just I don’t know. I have to tell people, like, number one, yes, your finances are a main concern.

01:10:22:23 – 01:10:44:11
Nathan Crane
You have to think about it. We all do, right? We all have bills to pay. And at the same time, it’s like, where is your money being spent? And can you, you know, reallocate it based on what your main focus is? If your main focus is to heal and you’re trying to do it naturally, well, then think about what that means for you in terms of you know, what’s what’s your health worth?

01:10:44:11 – 01:11:03:15
Nathan Crane
I remember when I started eating organic, like, I didn’t I was barely making enough money to pay the rent, but I still made a priority to buy organic for my family because I realized how important it was and I didn’t know how was going to pay the rent every month, but I still bought organic every single month. I still we still grocery stores like we’re buying organic.

01:11:03:15 – 01:11:22:07
Nathan Crane
We’re buying organic because my health, my wife and I and our newborn daughter at time, it was like that was super important, you know? And so it’s just like, what are your priorities? And what’s important to you and what is money really mean if you’re dead anyway? Like, you know, that’s the reality. You have to look at these things and go and people go, well, yeah, well, where does does it actually work and all of that?

01:11:22:07 – 01:11:38:01
Nathan Crane
Well, go check it out. Look at the studies. Talk to their team, talk, you know, look at the case studies. I mean, obviously, there’s no guarantees that anything there’s no oncologists that can guarantee. And you can speak to this, Dr. Stone, there’s no doctor in the world that can guarantee whatever they’re going to do is going to reverse whatever disease you have.

01:11:38:01 – 01:11:53:12
Nathan Crane
Nobody can. But you got to do what you feel is the right thing to do. And for you, you know, but you got to get educated and see what’s actually working for people and and then make an educated decision from there. Yeah, I get it.

01:11:53:12 – 01:11:54:08
Jim Ladwig
I have one more thing.

01:11:54:09 – 01:12:11:08
Nathan Crane
Nathan seems expensive, but it’s it’s a it is a very high quality, highly impactful, you know, food is basically food, you know, highly concentrated, you know, medicinal food for your body. So you have to take that into consideration, too.

01:12:11:08 – 01:12:37:18
Jim Ladwig
Yeah, I had one thing I meant to bring this up. I had a late one of your listeners actually emailed me yesterday and I know we had talked about as far as like and you know finding some this was just perfect timing. She’s been going to she you know 7879 years old. I have an email here. Her name’s Janine and she had a particularly, according to her oncologist, a particularly harsh chemo that they were recommending.

01:12:37:18 – 01:12:56:15
Jim Ladwig
And she was you know, she got on our product. She did a lot of research on her own and and found us and was just super thrilled with the lack of side effects. And that’s what a lot of a lot of folks are using our product in conjunction with with their, you know, traditional treatments. And she’s doing really well.

01:12:56:15 – 01:13:16:16
Jim Ladwig
She just sent me an email, was super excited. She’s like no heart damage, no liver damage, no kidney damage. I maintain energy. You know, they’re watching me super close, but I’m just so excited. I think this is making a huge, you know, difference. So anyway, so I share that with you as it came from came from one of your listeners who heard heard our our ad on there.

01:13:17:00 – 01:13:47:19
Nathan Crane
Was good I love to hear it I love to hear it. I mean, we’re helping people and that’s what we do. And it’s like I only recommend things that I’ve, as you know, highly vetted, highly researched and personally used myself, which is why it’s like I will talk about this all long and recommend it to people. I’m just looking at your website in terms of like recommendations where like general health have two one ounce daily, one bottle would give you 8 to 16 servings intermediate support, 2 to 4 ounces daily.

01:13:48:05 – 01:14:08:03
Nathan Crane
So bottle would give you 2 to 4 serving like daily servings. So one bottle could last you, you know, couple of weeks. If you’re looking for general health, if you’re looking for intermediate support bottle could last for a few days and then advanced support, you know, four ounces twice daily. It’s going to give you two daily servings. So so advanced support.

01:14:08:03 – 01:14:11:03
Nathan Crane
You’re looking at bottle asking you a couple of days right now.

01:14:11:05 – 01:14:12:00
Jim Ladwig
So one day.

01:14:12:12 – 01:14:13:16
Nathan Crane
Yeah, a one day bottle.

01:14:14:12 – 01:14:17:15
Jim Ladwig
Half a day for maybe a hundred days or so.

01:14:18:00 – 01:14:23:08
Nathan Crane
Yeah, for 100 days is what you kind of recommend people to start with to see see how it works for them.

01:14:24:02 – 01:14:40:05
Jim Ladwig
Yeah. I mean usually get to that three month mark and a lot of times then it’s, you know, things are going well, you start tapering down. Maybe then the next month you do have a half a bottle, you know, like two ounces in the morning, two ounces at night, and then you just kind of taper down and like, you know, then then you’re kind of back into that general health maintenance type of thing, an ounce a day.

01:14:40:16 – 01:14:51:01
Nathan Crane
Dr. Stone, is there anybody you is there anything you’ve said? Any reason you would recommend someone not to take healing on 51 or any fermented soy for that matter?

01:14:52:01 – 01:15:17:00
Dr. Devin Stone
Honestly, I have not come across that yet. There’s definitely theories out there. Definitely people’s soy allergies. I would be a little cautious. I know the companies never heard of a true soy allergy directed towards their product, so that’s an outcome. Still, just on the doctor side raises, whenever you hear allergy, it raises a red flag. So you just want to be extra cautious in that direction.

01:15:17:00 – 01:15:40:20
Dr. Devin Stone
There there’s the other side to this being a potential goiter in soy is also always been classified as that meaning that it could affect the thyroid gland. We do see though with like the fermentation process and the way it’s breaking down some of the constituents, it really does affect the thyroid gland as much as some other goiter genes that are out there.

01:15:40:20 – 01:16:00:01
Dr. Devin Stone
So for me, it’s also that in those type of cases too, like any treatment that we’re doing, always weighing the pros and cons to the patient is what’s the most efficacious things we could do to get the best outcomes and best health goals. And I’m yet to have a person that I would not have said, Hey, you should try this out.

01:16:00:01 – 01:16:25:11
Dr. Devin Stone
And that goes so many patients, from oncology patients to Cardiovasc for patients, even people like yourself, athletes I work with that are just using it to decrease inflammation. They just see so much benefit from, I mean the medicinal side from it. But even the fact that what it is it’s a true whole food to even awesome just protein source for someone to ingest on a daily basis.

01:16:25:11 – 01:16:44:13
Dr. Devin Stone
So I’m very open with it for many of my patients that those are kind of the two areas. I definitely still take case by case and make sure I work them to make sure it’s the best treatment plan. But still, I’ve always kind of mentioned that in the long run, once it’s gotten through their whole case, they’re beautiful.

01:16:44:13 – 01:17:04:20
Nathan Crane
Thank you for sharing that. I would highly recommend for anyone getting some. Make sure you get this sweet mint flavoring. It’s a little scooper. You pour it what I do. So here’s what I do, Jim. I don’t know if I’ve even told you that I take like I’ll take you, like, a normal sized water glass. I know what that is like, 16 ounces or something.

01:17:05:03 – 01:17:24:06
Nathan Crane
I’ll fill it half with water, and then I’ll fill whatever dosage of the healing that I’m going to put in there. So like I said, usually I’m kind of cycling like I’ll cycle on and off heal. And so like right now I’m on it. I’ll do like a half bottle of the time. But even if I did, I was doing a quarter bottle for a while as well.

01:17:24:06 – 01:17:47:05
Nathan Crane
So put that in a quarter or half whatever into the water and then I’ll do a scoop of this sweet mint flavoring, this, this mint powder, which is super simple. I like it because it’s like it’s organic leukemia, organic peppermint, basically monk fruit extract and some vegetable fiber. It’s super simple, but it’s it gives it a much better flavor.

01:17:48:03 – 01:18:08:05
Nathan Crane
And then and then I don’t know if you drink it by itself is very strong. You do get used to it if you drink it for a while. But if you drink it with this mint powder, it’s like so much better. It’s like night and day. I can drink it all day long with the mint powder mixed with water and it, you know, stir it up, track it down, no problem.

01:18:08:16 – 01:18:14:15
Nathan Crane
So people trying it for the first time. Get them in powder. You’ll be happy that you did.

01:18:15:06 – 01:18:19:06
Jim Ladwig
Yeah, it helps.

01:18:19:06 – 01:18:30:11
Nathan Crane
Awesome guys. So healing 951 because the website and doc stuff, you want to get in touch with you, what’s the best place for them to? I mean, you’ve got a clinic in California where they work and they get in touch with you as well.

01:18:31:02 – 01:18:48:04
Dr. Devin Stone
Definitely, yeah. And I’m more than happy to discuss these, too. This product is part of your treatment plan, and if it is a perfect fit for you as well. Our practice is we are tulsi w e r e t u l s. I definitely set up a consultation to talk more about feeling well.

01:18:49:01 – 01:18:51:20
Nathan Crane
Sounds good. Thanks so much, guys. Take care.