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00:00:00:01 – 00:00:29:09
Nathan Crane
Everybody, welcome back to the podcast. Today I am joined by my friend Micah Lowe, who is the founder of Meta Skill Matters COCOM and he is an expert in ozone therapy. He has worked with thousands of doctors educating them on ozone therapy. He’s done massive research over the years, and he’s just truly a, you know, investigative researcher and and journalist, if you will.

00:00:29:09 – 00:00:47:21
Nathan Crane
That’s, again, a researcher on ozone therapy. And that’s that’s why I want to talk with you about today, Mike. There’s a lot of confusion about ozone. There’s a lot of let’s call it misinformation about it. There’s a lot of excitement about it. I know a lot of the doctors that I work with, love, Ozone, they use it with their patients for lots of different things.

00:00:48:21 – 00:01:12:02
Nathan Crane
You know, there’s rectal ozone. There’s, you know, ozone that’s used on wounds. There’s all kinds of different ways to use ozone. There’s there’s also probably some dangers of ozone. So, you know, I think the exciting part about it is what a lot of these doctors and clinics are seeing with, you know, recovery of health conditions when when using ozone as well.

00:01:12:03 – 00:01:22:19
Nathan Crane
So, you know, thanks for coming on the podcast to to help clear up some of this stuff and really give, you know, share with share my audience what they need to know about Ozone.

00:01:23:20 – 00:01:38:20
Micah Lowe
Yeah. Thanks, Nathan. I really appreciate you just bringing me on the podcast. You know, I’ve been looking forward to having this discussion with you and being able to dig into it. You know, it’s something I’m really passionate about and it was helpful to my brother when he had cancer. And so that’s why I got into this little space.

00:01:38:20 – 00:01:49:06
Micah Lowe
So I’m very excited to be able to talk about its applications within the context of cancer and, you know, the broader applications of how it helps health. I mean, there’s all sorts of stuff you can go into with that, like you mentioned.

00:01:49:20 – 00:01:57:17
Nathan Crane
Yeah. So what what exactly happened with your brother, what cancer was diagnosed with and and like how did Ozone help him?

00:01:58:14 – 00:02:20:12
Micah Lowe
Yeah. So he had a brain cancer is I’m going to butcher the name. But Olivia got dandruff, a glioblastoma. And so it was a rare form of brain cancer. I know there’s lots of rare forms, right? But at any rate, yeah, when I was about 14, so I was relatively young, our parents called my brother and I. We were at soccer practice or basketball practice or something like that.

00:02:20:12 – 00:02:43:09
Micah Lowe
I can’t remember where we were but said, Hey, you guys need to, you know, come home right away. We’re going to have a discussion. So we thought something bad was going on. We had those kind of a parent, right? So anyway, we got to the house and they get a little bit emotional. So if I cry, I’m sorry, but you know, it’s my story and it was pretty impactful to me.

00:02:43:09 – 00:03:03:06
Micah Lowe
So yeah, we get to the house and our whole family is around in the living room and we thought maybe we’ll move, maybe something, I don’t know, something big. Right. And they said Matt has terminal brain cancer and he’s probably not going to live for the next year. And this was when I was about 14 year olds and 14 year old.

00:03:03:23 – 00:03:38:04
Micah Lowe
And yeah, just really obviously put a pit in your stomach and just a wrench in your heart and just just about everything you can imagine. A lot of emotions go through. We have a very close knit family. I’m one of 11, so there’s a lot of kids in my family, which is really cool. But, you know, somebody I looked up to and yeah, kind of so speeding up though, he ended up doing basically outliving every projection the doctors gave over the next six years or so.

00:03:38:12 – 00:04:02:07
Micah Lowe
By that point, I was in nursing school wanting to become a physician myself. I was going to become a nurse first and then going to work into becoming a physician. Once the plan, I wanted to do something called Mercy Ships, which is a philanthropic organization that that lands like a big carrier boat into a bay and then and then provides like free surgeries and medicine to people that are in need.

00:04:02:07 – 00:04:28:09
Micah Lowe
So from a pretty young age, I actually wanted to do that since I was like 12 or so. And so that was what I was working towards around that time too. It was just like very thankful that Matt had outlived all these projections. And so there were some, you know, potentially good things in the medical system. He has gone to Johns Hopkins and whatnot, so I don’t want to be too negative on it at all.

00:04:28:09 – 00:04:54:08
Micah Lowe
It’s just it was kind of apparent, though, that they were pretty condescending to anything else. You know, we’re doing the real work kind of attitude and, you know, just pretty rude and condescending and and not very open to other things. So it was like, well, what else can we find for Matt that that’ll be helpful for him. Somebody at our church had recommended doing hyperbaric oxygen, so was he getting him?

00:04:54:08 – 00:04:58:00
Nathan Crane
Was he doing so? He was doing chemo resistant chemo radiation at that time?

00:04:58:14 – 00:05:17:19
Micah Lowe
Oh, yeah. He was doing the full thing right at this point we weren’t, you know, our family, it became progressively more naturally minded with time kind of going through this. And that’s the story for a lot of people. I imagine a lot of listeners as well on the podcast have gone through that where you kind of become disenchanted with time.

00:05:17:19 – 00:05:27:10
Micah Lowe
But we we really hadn’t had big involvement with the medical system up to that point, didn’t have much of a need, but then, you know, became very involved with it, obviously.

00:05:27:13 – 00:05:45:16
Nathan Crane
Why? Why for you guys, what do you think about that experience led you to look for more natural options? Like what was it? Was it the side effects? Was it the deterioration of his well-being because of the treatments? Like, what do you think was kind of started leading you to like, hey, what other options are there? Or what about natural options?

00:05:45:16 – 00:05:47:07
Nathan Crane
That sort of stuff? Like what was that?

00:05:48:06 – 00:06:11:21
Micah Lowe
Well, the interventions that they offer are cut, burn and poison, right? And so it’s when you’re seeing that over and over, it’s like cancer grows back. We can cut it out, we can cut it out, we can cut it out. We can try more radiation, we can do more poison, etc.. It’s like, well, you know, I’m very thankful that he’s alive and with us, but there’s got to be some other things that we can look at.

00:06:11:21 – 00:06:33:02
Micah Lowe
And as you start to look into things and talk to even people like yourself, that that understand, hey, there’s actually a lot of stuff out there. And there is this very rigid medical system that is run by money, that is run by corruption. But even within that system, it’s very challenging. Like if you were to say something was free to do and it cured cancer, would that get FDA approval?

00:06:33:02 – 00:06:35:21
Micah Lowe
Probably not, because it’s not going to make any money right now.

00:06:35:22 – 00:07:09:14
Nathan Crane
If it wasn’t getting approval, it would not get FDA approval number one. And number two, it would be censored and banned and not you know, it would try to be kept secret or anyone who did that thing is made to look like a fool or doesn’t know what they’re talking about. And then there’s no signed and then there’s no money for scientific research on it because all the money for the high level scientific research goes towards things that are actually patentable and things that you can put, you know, into a prescription, things you can put a brand on, and then you can sell, right?

00:07:09:14 – 00:07:34:20
Nathan Crane
Because high level scientific research is very expensive, you know, randomized controlled trials with humans and hundreds of humans for years is very, very expensive. We’re talking millions and millions of dollars. So that kind of stuff just it’s not going to happen for something that’s free and accessible, unfortunately, unless you had, you know, a philanthropy, you know, billionaires that are donating millions of dollars for this research to be done.

00:07:35:19 – 00:07:38:10
Nathan Crane
But it’s it’s just not happening right now.

00:07:38:10 – 00:08:03:24
Micah Lowe
Well, and furthermore, it can be more than just millions, hundreds of millions for, say, a class three de novo, which is why ozone, for instance, would be categorized as because you have to go through so many more additional structures for that to gain approval. And so back in the seventies, they actually had this stipulation, this change over where you need basically this prior precedent of a device for it not to be a de novo.

00:08:04:06 – 00:08:36:19
Micah Lowe
De novo is very hard to get through the FDA. It’s actually pretty rare. So you can even spend a couple hundred million dollars and at the end of the day, they might still say no. So it’s like you are still risking all of the work up into that point. And so that’s why it’s this investor run system, because, I mean, you’re not going to invest if you’re trying to make a return on your money, you’re not going to invest into something that is like likely to get squashed in the end or like isn’t going to make a return on your money and you’re not going to risk your own money.

00:08:36:19 – 00:09:00:18
Micah Lowe
So these companies go out and find a bunch of investors and so everybody kind of pulls the resources anyway. So I would say here’s the big thing that really created the change over and the mindset was we did the hyperbaric oxygen with Matt and he had improved critical thinking processes, better sleep, much better energy, the toxic side effects that he was facing not nearly as prevalent.

00:09:00:18 – 00:09:22:02
Micah Lowe
So everything was like better for him. Life was just better. Even if you just want to call it quality of life metrics, which, you know, obviously has an impact. They were so much better. And so we kind of presented that to the physicians and they were like, Well, you know, it’s probably SIBO or, you know, if you if that makes you feel good, buddy, then go ahead.

00:09:22:02 – 00:09:45:14
Micah Lowe
Like you can keep on doing your your little hyperbaric oxygen chamber. And that’s kind of the attitude, right? And then you’re like, what the heck? This has helped him more than anything else that you guys have tried from a quality of life standpoint. And you’re just kind of dismissing it as like we’re like doing this weird thing, placebo thing, and now hyperbaric oxygen in the lobby.

00:09:45:14 – 00:10:06:19
Micah Lowe
It’s obviously a big thing, has a lot more research behind it and has much broader acceptance. But that was kind of the the the sentiment that we were given. And so it opens up your mind when you’re like, well, Johns Hopkins, the leader in cancer care, doesn’t recognize this thing. Hyperbaric oxygen is being helpful for Matt. I wonder what else is going to be helpful for Matt.

00:10:06:21 – 00:10:08:11
Micah Lowe
And when you get down the rabbit hole.

00:10:08:13 – 00:10:09:19
Nathan Crane
And you down the rabbit hole.

00:10:10:10 – 00:10:15:04
Micah Lowe
Yeah, right. Yeah, right, exactly. Exactly. Well, I mean, it’s really what created that shift.

00:10:15:09 – 00:10:35:03
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s powerful and that’s very common. Right. And the and thank you for sharing that because I think people can relate to that. To your to your point. I mean, I had a cancer patient who who we coach who basically told me they were talking to their oncologist and they’re like, Yeah, I’m learning all about changing my diet.

00:10:35:03 – 00:11:04:17
Nathan Crane
And, you know, I hear that diet can make a big difference for cancer. And in fact, there’s this anti-cancer diet, which is something that I teach and have written, you know, many eBooks and videos and master classes about all backed by lots and lots of evidence and many, many case studies. And they present it to their oncologists. And, you know, the oncologists response was, yeah, if, if diet had anything to do with cancer, you could just change your diet and then cancer would just go away.

00:11:04:17 – 00:11:20:00
Nathan Crane
And as a metabolic disorder, I thought, I like, you know, it’s like you can’t when you understand this that you can’t do anything but laugh and feel sad at the same time that these oncologists don’t know this. They don’t know anything about diet. Most of them. Right. Most of them are not trained on diet. They’re not trained on functional medicine.

00:11:20:00 – 00:11:49:08
Nathan Crane
They’re not trained on natural therapies. They don’t even realize the connection between the metabolic dysfunction of the cells chronically fermenting, leading to cancer, to, you know, mitochondrial damage and DNA damage and how diet is directly associated with that. And it’s like they just don’t know. And that’s the problem is a lack of education. And it’s not because they’re not smart is because the education that they receive in the textbooks is primarily funded by pharmaceutical companies.

00:11:49:16 – 00:12:08:11
Nathan Crane
That’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s look it up. Anyone can look it up. You know, 60 to 70% of funding for pharmacies for medical textbooks comes from pharmaceutical companies. Why do you think you go to the doctor and the first thing they do when you have a symptom of something is prescribe you drugs. That’s what they’re trained on.

00:12:08:12 – 00:12:28:21
Nathan Crane
Right. And so they’re not bad people. They just don’t know. Unfortunately. And now the doctors you and I work with, they’re the ones that are interested in this stuff. They’re the ones that are getting functional medicine, certifications, additional training. They’re the ones that are, you know, implementing natural therapies. They’re the ones that are seeing results with ozone therapy and changing their patients diets and reversing diseases.

00:12:29:01 – 00:12:59:00
Nathan Crane
We see this all the time, and yet we talk about it and we get censored and we get shut down. And the FDA comes after you and all this craziness that happens because as you said, there’s a lot of money involved and a lot of money, unfortunately, that drives certain corporations to, you know, try to blot out anybody else who’s doing it, who’s doing really good things for the general population that they see as a threat taking away from their bankroll.

00:13:00:12 – 00:13:20:05
Micah Lowe
Yeah, we did a tour of the BioPharma, Creston, which is in North Carolina. I don’t want to go into too much detail on that, but I remember turning to Joe, who was with me. I was like, If we had a camera on, we’d be in a river somewhere. Like, but the reason we did this is because, you know, we work with something called ozone.

00:13:20:05 – 00:13:41:10
Micah Lowe
EDIT Oil, which you can infuse ozone gas into an oil to create peroxides that are helpful for things. And so we were working with another company out of Europe who is kind of just oblivious to the medical corruption at large in the United States. Right. So they’re like, yeah, we just want to go and talk to these universities and these government officials, etc., etc..

00:13:41:19 – 00:14:10:12
Micah Lowe
It was terrifying to see just like how this cohesive, how cohesive this mesh of the universities, the pharmaceutical companies, even the DOD and the government officials that were there just operate in such cohesion where there’s almost no distinction between who is who. And it was to us very apparently corrupt, you know, and these are people who are they’re not intentionally, for the most part.

00:14:10:12 – 00:14:30:06
Micah Lowe
They’re there’s obviously malicious players. But sure, a lot of these bureaucrats and these people that we’re working with are not intentionally doing something that is negative like they’re trying to do something that they perceive as good and they don’t believe in all the stuff that we believe in, you know, like hyperbaric oxygen as being like a good example of that.

00:14:30:06 – 00:14:50:15
Micah Lowe
Right. Those physicians just didn’t believe that it did anything beneficial for him beyond a placebo. And so they don’t they have no awareness that there’s these other things out there. So they’re growing with this in this system of like so-called science that’s trying to find drug targets and different ways to work with it that are invasive. And they think that is the way.

00:14:50:15 – 00:15:14:01
Micah Lowe
But yeah, it was it was frightening in a way. It’s like men who can stand up against this. Even we saw Purdue Pharma, you know, a lot of people think that got shut down. They’re responsible for the opioid crisis and so pretty the Sackler family they’re pretty evil right that that would be one of their the malicious players but that’s still up and running they sort of steamrolling out of the building.

00:15:14:01 – 00:15:18:20
Micah Lowe
It’s still producing OxyContin, still, you know, committing crimes on the public.

00:15:18:24 – 00:15:44:09
Nathan Crane
No, they get a they get a, you know, 2 billion, $3 billion fine, a slap on the wrist. And they say, don’t do that again. And then the company goes out and just produces a new drug, a new form of it, a new variation, you know, lies about the science. I mean, these these are criminal organizations. They get caught all the time lying about science, lying about their controlled trials, taking out data.

00:15:44:14 – 00:16:20:07
Nathan Crane
They it’s not again, this is a conspiracy like this happens all the time and it’s well documented. You can read the court cases. I’ve read them hundreds and hundreds of court cases against, you know, all these major pharmaceutical companies that literally lie all the time. And then we’re supposed to trust them with our health and well-being, you know, when they’re literally I mean, look at Vioxx killed potentially over 50,000 people and they knew that it was dangerous and they hid that from the public and they fudged up the science and they put it out there anyway, you know, 50,000 plus potential people died from it.

00:16:20:07 – 00:16:21:07
Micah Lowe
That’s a low number. Yeah.

00:16:21:09 – 00:16:44:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s a low number. Right. Like there’s, you know, there’s projections. It could be in the hundreds of thousands or more. But, you know, it’s still one life is too many, 50,000 or more is insane to think about from a drug. And then they get a few billion dollar fine slap on the wrist, take the drug off the market, and then they come out with the next drug like it’s so criminal and so insane to think about.

00:16:45:05 – 00:16:53:17
Nathan Crane
You know, if this happened with ozone, this happened with supplements, right? If it wouldn’t. But if it did, one person died.

00:16:53:20 – 00:16:55:14
Micah Lowe
I know. I think that’s it’s.

00:16:55:14 – 00:16:56:15
Nathan Crane
The end of the world, you know.

00:16:56:15 – 00:17:19:09
Micah Lowe
For the safety of this stuff, too, it’s like we be in prison, right? You can’t kill people, much less 50,000 with this kind of stuff. You go to jail, there’s there’s no it’s really quite mind blowing. Like what other system can you murder thousands of people and get a financial slap on the wrist? It’s not.

00:17:19:16 – 00:17:40:23
Nathan Crane
No, it’s not. It’s it’s insane. It’s insane. And yet and then the problem is, people still believe that these drugs are going to help that like they help in certain ways, but they believe that the companies are looking out for their best interest. Right. Because they believe the doctor and the doctor believes that, you know, these corporations are looking out for their patients best interests.

00:17:40:23 – 00:17:56:23
Nathan Crane
And it is it’s really just that cycle of ignorance, unfortunately, that just trickles from the top down. And we know there are malicious players. We know that these people are hiding this stuff intentionally. They get caught with it. They get emails that, you know, oh, this is happening. Oh, well, we’re not going to say anything about it, right?

00:17:56:23 – 00:18:21:24
Nathan Crane
Like we know that they are doing it for the profits and not caring if people die in the process. Not everyone. But but there are people that are that get caught and then they go to prison. No, they don’t go to prison. You know, they get fined. And guess what? Guess what? That money goes. FTC, FDA, they get their billions, government gets their billions, and then the system just goes on because there’s too much money at play.

00:18:21:24 – 00:18:40:15
Nathan Crane
So it’s essential point being is like, well, what can you do about it? One, you can vote for Bobby Kennedy. You know, I don’t talk about politics too much on this, but like vote for Bobby Kennedy and, you know, go watch, you know, 20 hours of his podcast and you’ll you’ll understand why why I say that he’s probably is the only.

00:18:40:15 – 00:18:42:00
Micah Lowe
Real candidate we have.

00:18:42:00 – 00:19:09:15
Nathan Crane
I haven’t lived I haven’t lived very long. Yeah, I haven’t lived a very long life. But in my short life, he’s the only candidate that I feel good about voting for, number one. Number two, the only person who could really potentially unravel that whole system and do something meaningful for the health of this country. You know, and number three, someone who’s been doing that work for decades and who’s, you know, one of the most high integrity people that I’ve ever seen.

00:19:09:15 – 00:19:21:09
Nathan Crane
I mean, I’ve watched dozens and dozens of hours of his podcasts and conversations, and it’s like this is the real deal, you know, he really is. And he could really make a big difference. I really hope he gets in there.

00:19:22:17 – 00:19:43:17
Micah Lowe
Yeah, me too. I mean, I’m a fan of his. It’s kind of interesting to see like, I don’t know, there’s so many politicians that are just so scripted in their approach, right? They don’t go off script. And so it’s like you you get somebody that actually speaks their mind, that actually walks you through the thought process, the thought processes they’re having, and you kind of short circuit.

00:19:43:17 – 00:20:03:20
Micah Lowe
You’re like, it’s a politician actually supposed to answer a question non politically. Yeah, it’s it’s it’s amazing to see there’s, there’s very few people like that that I can recall. And, you know, with this upcoming election, it’s like you have two candidates that have been it doesn’t make any sense to me at all. It’s like how and I didn’t mean to get into like politics from this.

00:20:03:20 – 00:20:34:11
Micah Lowe
I’m not a overtly political person by nature, but, you know, how are these two guys, the Trump and the Biden like the the best candidates for running the United States of America? It makes no sense to me. It’s like, how did these guys even get into that position? Where are all these like other really intense, intelligent, well-educated, genuine, personable people that, you know, should be running for the presidency?

00:20:34:22 – 00:20:43:08
Micah Lowe
It’s like it makes no sense. It’s just because the news cycles cover them pretty much exclusively and they just kind of keep the hamster wheel moving, I guess.

00:20:43:08 – 00:20:55:20
Nathan Crane
I think most people vote for Biden because they feel like they that’s their best option because they don’t want Trump. I really like people. I talked to who vote for Biden who are Democrat or liberal.

00:20:55:22 – 00:20:56:12
Micah Lowe
Either of them.

00:20:56:18 – 00:21:17:16
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s like they’re like they’re like, yeah, I’ll just vote for Biden because yeah, he’s better than Trump. It’s like, yeah, that doesn’t you know, vote for the lesser of two evils. Like, that’s not a good way to live our lives, people, you know. And then you got, you got Trump on the other hand, too, which is like and then people love him or hate him and the people who love him are like, yeah, he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread.

00:21:17:16 – 00:21:36:20
Nathan Crane
And he’s, you know, he actually gets the working class and I’m like, Dude’s a billionaire who does not support the working class. I’m sorry, guys. Like, he is a charlatan. And he, I mean, he went in there talking about he got everyone convinced he’s going to drain the swamp and then he goes in and literally hires the people who make the swamp worse.

00:21:36:20 – 00:22:09:06
Nathan Crane
Like, are you kidding me? He just. He just fooled everybody, you know? That’s really what he did. I don’t want either of them in there either. And then now we actually have a real candidate that I feel like amazingly excited about who is not the lesser of two evils, but actually, like speaks truth, you know, is genuine, deeply cares about people, has an amazing track record of like cleaning up, you know, polluted rivers and taking down corrupt corporations and fighting against the FDA and FTC and Monsanto and all these big corporations.

00:22:09:06 – 00:22:16:02
Nathan Crane
And winning for the little guy, like actually doing what he says he’s going to do. All these other guys just talk about.

00:22:16:04 – 00:22:17:10
Micah Lowe
A real representative.

00:22:17:15 – 00:22:36:02
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Somebody who’s actually living it and and that’s exciting. Like, it really is exciting. It’s exciting for me for the first time in my life to actually want to go vote like I have not voted before because I’ve never seen a candidate that I felt like if I have to vote the lesser of two evils, I’m not going to vote, period.

00:22:36:11 – 00:22:55:24
Nathan Crane
But if I’m like, Oh, I’m actually super excited about voting for someone like, dude, I’m, I’m ready. Like I’ll spread the word. Like, I don’t, I’m not even political, but like, I’ll let everybody know, you know, cause it’s, it’s the future of our children, you know? It’s the future of of our of our parents, grandchildren that’s at stake.

00:22:55:24 – 00:23:08:18
Nathan Crane
And if things don’t change with this, you know, corporate merger of corrupt in between state and corporations, if things don’t change, like it’s only going to continue to get worse as it has been doing the past 100 years.

00:23:10:00 – 00:23:36:09
Micah Lowe
It’ll be interesting to to see how the current because there’s a lot of change happening between like AI and technology advancing that that I think could produce more like inequality where like corporations have even more power. But I also see that there’s a potential that it can kind of make some transparencies into other people’s hands. So for example, I think within the medical system, there’s a couple of different ways that you can reform it.

00:23:36:09 – 00:24:04:19
Micah Lowe
You can reform it through the institution. So you can be like a part of the institution as a politician, etc., and do your best to make some reformations there. And I think that would be like, you know, Robert or RFK, right, that he would be kind of reforming from the inside. The alternative to that is a parallel institution that grows and grows and grows and eventually becomes a good enough alternative to where people can kind of transfer over to that and receives adoption.

00:24:04:19 – 00:24:29:09
Micah Lowe
So I think with some of these technologies and that’s what I’ve been working on for the past couple of years with the Multi-Omics stuff that I think I mentioned to you into the past in the past. But it’s basically this new way of collecting to giving people access to their own biology. And so what we’re doing is we’re essentially testing all these layers of systems, biology.

00:24:29:09 – 00:24:55:19
Micah Lowe
So you have your genome, your transcriptome, your proteome, your microbiome, your metabolome. This gets a little bit deep, but I’ll bring it back together. So you get this really deep probing of a person’s biology where you can pinpoint where the issue lies. And so that kind of information is really helpful. And then you couple that with something called digital twinning, which is in silico modeling of a person’s biological data.

00:24:56:03 – 00:25:23:03
Micah Lowe
And by the way, this is all like on blockchain. So people actually have the keys to their own data. Most transparency, it’s democratized. You know, a sale of their data does not happen unless they want it to ever. And nobody can access it unless they want them to. But with this digital twinning, you can actually make essentially a biological replica of this person on a computer, and then you can simulate intervention.

00:25:23:04 – 00:25:52:01
Micah Lowe
So you could simulate hyperbaric oxygen, you can simulate a certain diet and see what kind of effect that’s going to have on all these layers of systems, biology such as the metabolism, etc.. And so I think what can happen with time in a system like that is that you gather so much data and so much information about what is actually helpful for people, that you could come to a point that you say now that chemotherapy is not a good idea, like we objectively know this and we have more data that you like it.

00:25:52:01 – 00:25:53:07
Micah Lowe
Well, what are you going to refute.

00:25:54:08 – 00:25:56:10
Nathan Crane
That’s like and that’s demonstrated that that’s like these.

00:25:56:10 – 00:26:01:21
Micah Lowe
Are the alternatives, the blueprint.

00:26:01:21 – 00:26:22:11
Nathan Crane
What I was just going to say that’s like that’s like a digital version of what Brian Johnson is doing with, with his blueprint project. Right. But this is like a simulation. So so you don’t have to put your body through all of that experimentation. It’s a simulation of all the experimentation and then see what actually happens from that.

00:26:22:11 – 00:26:25:05
Nathan Crane
That’s that’s actually super fascinating.

00:26:26:10 – 00:26:44:17
Micah Lowe
Yeah. Yeah, it is. So I think what could happen eventually, though, is, you know, say you have a hundred thousand and again, this is on blockchain. So only with consent of an individual. But you have the information of all these people and all these interventions. So you have chemotherapy banked, you have hyperbaric oxygen, you have ozone, you have diets, you have etc..

00:26:45:12 – 00:27:11:13
Micah Lowe
And then it’s also more curtailed to the individual too, because that is an important component a lot of people don’t recognize is that we are different. We do have different I mean, we operate similar, right? We need sleep, we need exercise, we need to diet. But there’s nuances within that that are important to take into account even something simple like Coke ten or Ubik, all which is going to be more impactful for somebody well based on the pathway that is deficient, there’s actually one of those options might be better.

00:27:12:15 – 00:27:45:09
Micah Lowe
So but yeah, you can develop this system where you can the, the drugs, the invasive interventions are the last thing to get recommended. Right. And only if absolutely essential for somebody’s health. This surgery is absolutely essential for your health to keep you alive right now until we can find something else to that is more natural. And bringing you into it and you know, I’m not 100% natural to where like I’ll say I will never do any sort of jog if I break my leg, give me the morphine.

00:27:45:10 – 00:28:21:15
Micah Lowe
Right? Like I don’t want to be screaming in pain when I can diminish that experience of pain for, you know, the coming days. But that being said, I definitely want to make sure that we’re ruling out everything before we get to drugs, before we get to invasive surgeries, before we get to radiation or what have you. And so I think this idea of a parallel institution where we’re really getting a handle on what is actually working for people and what is not working for people, that has a potential to be kind of a new kind of system we operate in.

00:28:22:03 – 00:28:48:18
Micah Lowe
Again, though, like that’s kind of like heady and theoretical, right? Like, but we’re actually building it like we’re actually doing this now. We sell the, the product. But the thing that the reason I got involved with it is because like as we, I was I came across these researchers that were working on this in academia and then, you know, we ended up getting along really, really well, just like as old friends and really serendipitous.

00:28:48:18 – 00:29:05:03
Micah Lowe
It was a time where I was able to take something on and I didn’t want to. So for like a year I was just kind of trying to help them to develop and encourage them and continuing their work. But then I kind of realized it’s like, well, if this gets into the wrong hands, that’s also like not a good thing either.

00:29:05:07 – 00:29:18:11
Micah Lowe
And there’s a lot of companies that are working on this, but I don’t know of any company that has like successfully built it out. So it’s pretty exciting anyway that we could shoot off into that and talk for hours or what have you. I know there’s.

00:29:18:15 – 00:29:21:14
Nathan Crane
This guy does this, you guys multi-omics is this year.

00:29:22:05 – 00:29:46:12
Micah Lowe
It would be. No, that’s not it. Uh, so multi-omics is a term. I just put the website in the chat here. It’s there yoked mean. But so multi-omics is a term for the system, the systems biology approach to testing somebody. So it’s like we’re going to profile rather than a few markers in the liver, a few markers in here.

00:29:46:19 – 00:30:09:22
Micah Lowe
We’re going to profile the metabolism. So right now we can monitor 68% of the metabolism within a year will be well over 80%, which is much, much, much, much higher than most anybody can do. And we do this all on frictionless sample collection. You know, technology has been progressing. We use an old machine called a CMS, which is gas chromatography, mass spectrometry.

00:30:10:17 – 00:30:35:09
Micah Lowe
And so this is a very sensitive machine, but we can actually get a few drops of blood for profiling that metabolism for the microbiome. It’s called the body weight, where they do essentially wipe after an expression. And then that is taken and put in into a collection tube and sent off to the lab. So the amount of biological sample that we need is getting lower, which means that people can do it at home.

00:30:35:09 – 00:30:44:13
Micah Lowe
We haven’t figured out proteomics yet, which is proteins, all your hormones and that kind of stuff. How are we going to do that at home? But we’re getting there and we’re working on it.

00:30:44:13 – 00:30:58:06
Nathan Crane
This is crazy. So yeah, it’s pretty exciting. This is pretty interesting stuff for sure. So this is so yeah. So this at home is a blood test you can do at home right now. And so what? Mm hmm. Go ahead. Yeah.

00:30:59:05 – 00:31:14:09
Micah Lowe
Yeah. So what that’s going to do is that’s going to profile the metabolism. I talk from kind of a high level viewpoint. So what we’re building towards is integrated multi-omics is what it’s talk call. Everybody is going to be talking about multi-omics and digital twinning in 2 to 3 years. So you first heard it here.

00:31:15:05 – 00:31:17:24
Nathan Crane
But it’s the first I’ve heard of this as well. Yeah.

00:31:18:16 – 00:31:43:17
Micah Lowe
Yeah. It’s going to be, you know, if you go on to YouTube and plug it and just type multi-omics, you’ll find a bunch of researchers, academics talking about it. But there hasn’t really been the, you know, the the financial support behind it yet because a lot of people are still trying to figure it out. So what we have differently is that we figured out how to do the integration of these different layers of systems biology.

00:31:43:17 – 00:32:13:11
Micah Lowe
So how does the microbiome interface with the metabolism? Because that relationship between the two is a whole nother set of biomarkers, essentially because the microbiome, over 50% of the molecules in your metabolism have been synthesized or modified by what’s in your gut. And thereby also going back to what you said is diet is very important, right? Because cancer is a metabolic disorder and have 50% of the molecules in your metabolism are are modified or synthesized by the microbiome.

00:32:13:11 – 00:32:36:00
Micah Lowe
Well, there’s your answer for diet, but that’s a whole nother layer, right? So now you’re getting information between these various layers right now and we just have the metabolome we’ll have the microbiome in February of 2024 or 25 and of 25. We should have the proteins, the proteomic layer as well. So I’d be the first three layers and then progressing from there.

00:32:36:03 – 00:33:01:03
Micah Lowe
And then genetic testing, just as a side note is like actually not very helpful. So most all diseases that people have are from gene environment expression, which means exactly that it’s not a genetic disorder. You can have propensities or predispositions, but that doesn’t mean that you’re like, for example, if people they talk about the gene, right? And the mutation in that.

00:33:02:02 – 00:33:25:04
Micah Lowe
So what does that means? It means that you can’t methylated folic acid. So you need to increase like folic methyl folate in your diet. But it doesn’t actually if you have that gene mutation, it doesn’t actually mean that you need to have that supplementation. It just means that you’re predisposed to likely not have enough. So in the metabolite SSM, you can actually see, does this person have enough or not?

00:33:25:23 – 00:33:51:11
Micah Lowe
So it’s like the the the intersection between what you’re hardwired to do your your genome and what you actually do. And the metabolism is sits on that intersection between the gene and environment expression. So it’s like this really dynamic snapshot of what’s actually happening from a metabolic perspective in somebody’s body right now. And I kind of got into all these different layers, but right now it’s metabolism.

00:33:51:11 – 00:34:13:00
Nathan Crane
It’s pretty cool, actually. I want to take a test. I’d love to. It’s I mean, I like how it’s, you know, like these 12 key health scores so’s, you know, the different systems, whether it’s the brain, liver, skin, biological age, mitochondria, inflammation, cardiovascular, nutritional gut mutations and environmental toxin exposures. And then I like how, you know, these early insights.

00:34:13:00 – 00:34:28:15
Nathan Crane
Basically by looking at the metabolites, you can basically give some guidance and ideas of like, hey, if you keep doing what you’re doing, you’re probably headed for, you know, cancer or something similar. And here’s some changes you can make to hopefully avoid that, right?

00:34:30:06 – 00:34:55:02
Micah Lowe
Yeah. And so there’s there’s going back to kind of the story of in my brother is my calling in life is to reduce suffering in the world. And so Dr. Jazz, when I first met him, he was actually talking about his research for early detection in Alzheimer’s and then certain cancers, not all cancers, but he can he has a lot of publications on how to detect stage one ovarian and breast cancer as an example.

00:34:55:14 – 00:35:24:15
Micah Lowe
And so that was like really impactful because if you and I know a lot of cancers by going to spontaneous remission, but even without that, if you go in, you can find if somebody has stage one cancer, their likelihood of survival goes up exponentially, not just over five years, markers that are traditionally is but over 20 or markers and their studies on this and that is also regardless of if they do conventional or don’t do any conventional treatments.

00:35:24:22 – 00:35:47:24
Micah Lowe
So the psychology of an individual changes and they make the appropriate lifestyle adjustments for them to put that into remission. Right. Just with early detection, no other changes made. And so you can have the potential for a really big impact with doing something like that. So and I know there’s yeah, there’s so much you can go into there.

00:35:47:24 – 00:35:48:21
Micah Lowe
It’s just fascinating.

00:35:49:10 – 00:35:54:00
Nathan Crane
So what, what ended up happening with your brother?

00:35:54:00 – 00:36:21:09
Micah Lowe
My brother Matt passed away in 2018, unfortunately, so he outlived projections of physicians by approximately 18 years. And so I’m really thankful for the time that we had together. We did work on Ozone together for about six years. That was also something that was really helpful for him. And so Ozone does a lot of research in the context of as an adjunct to other traditional cancer treatments typically is what they’ve done a lot of research on.

00:36:22:06 – 00:36:46:00
Micah Lowe
So yeah mean without getting into ozone too much Matt passed away in 2018 and he had a good life and I just really thankful for the time that we did have with him. But along the way we did find a lot of things that were really helpful to him in increasing his critical thinking and increasing energy and decreasing his negative symptoms, increasing his sleep quality, etc..

00:36:46:15 – 00:36:53:07
Nathan Crane
So what were what were some of the key things that you guys found that you that seemed to work?

00:36:54:04 – 00:36:57:15
Micah Lowe
Well, diet, as you said, of course. So having a good diet.

00:36:57:21 – 00:37:00:01
Nathan Crane
What did you do? What do you do for diet specifically.

00:37:01:02 – 00:37:38:17
Micah Lowe
Yeah. So he would do kind of a mix of keto and paleo, you know, sometimes he would do like, you know, sometimes he would do paleo and that was pretty helpful to him. You know, I think the important thing is that you’re not eating processed foods honestly, as long as it’s grown. You know, I do ascribe to a mix, an omnivorous diet, but I think as long as you are staying away from packaged foods, trying to identify where it’s coming from and with the least amount of manipulation possible, I think it’s a good thing.

00:37:38:17 – 00:37:56:22
Micah Lowe
So when humans get involved, the food quality seems to go. So, you know, the more that we can let nature take its course in terms of food and, you know, having your own gardens and that kind of thing. But anyway, everybody knows that, right? Diet is important and there’s different trains of thought on what diet is best. Well, the other thing that.

00:37:57:03 – 00:38:18:10
Nathan Crane
Everybody you can say, everybody knows that unfortunately what I find when we coach cancer patients is even though they’ve heard it maybe 100 times, people still are not doing it or they’re still struggling or they’re still finding themselves going back to the old ways of eating out a lot, eating processed food a lot, eating fast food, eating junk food.

00:38:18:16 – 00:38:44:11
Nathan Crane
Right? Like, so it’s it’s one of those things that we have to talk about again and again and again, but also help people find ways to to change their habits for good and forever. And it’s not something that happens overnight, as we know, and it’s something that some people will struggle with their whole life. It’s something we have to be diligent with every day.

00:38:44:13 – 00:39:22:07
Nathan Crane
Right. But what I have found is a cleaner. I eat a cleaner. I’ve eaten over the years the less of the the toxic things that I used to crave, like I just don’t crave them anymore. Or if I do, it’s really rare once in a while and then, you know, like ice cream, like I used to eat so many sweets, I had to have sweets, like ice cream or cookies or something after every meal, like every day, you know, and after years and years of cleansing and juicing and cleaning up my diet and eating raw food and, like, really eating less and less processed food and more and more whole foods, real foods, those cravings

00:39:22:14 – 00:39:50:09
Nathan Crane
mostly went away, and sometimes I’ll have them. And then I’m like, Yeah, I’ll get a little bit ice cream, I’ll have a few spoonfuls, and then I’m done like, I don’t eat the whole thing like I used to, you know? And the cravings gone or I’ll, I’ll put some honey, you know, on or I’ll have like some yogurt with some honey and banana and some berries and some almonds and like, that’s a way better, you know, sugar craving, take out a sugar craving that’s actually nutritious than going out and eating ice cream.

00:39:50:16 – 00:40:03:05
Nathan Crane
Just but it’s it’s making the changes and being consistent with it. Right. I mean, I still find people who have been listening to this and trying this change in their diet for years and years. They still struggle. They still struggle.

00:40:04:20 – 00:40:30:15
Micah Lowe
Yeah. I mean, your body does have an immense ability to adapt, but there’s the physical side and then there’s the mental side. So as long as you believe those things have a benefit to you, you’re going to want them. And and so it’s I think it’s really important. And, you know, I’ve had addictions in my own life, so I’ve worked through those things and unfortunately, more than once.

00:40:30:22 – 00:40:44:10
Micah Lowe
But but what I found out is that when I had associations to say alcohol or a drug and and I don’t share this very often, by the way. So this is a secret between me and everybody listening.

00:40:46:02 – 00:40:49:00
Nathan Crane
All right. Well, keep it secret right here.

00:40:49:00 – 00:40:49:08
Micah Lowe
Yeah.

00:40:50:01 – 00:40:54:14
Nathan Crane
As my as my team as my team cuts this clip and then sends it out viral, right?

00:40:55:14 – 00:41:20:13
Micah Lowe
Yeah. No, that’s fine. That’s totally fine. I but it’s important to share these things, right? Because other people, we’re all human and we struggle with different things and addictions, whether that’s sugars or nicotine or whatever, doesn’t care about your belief in health like that. It really doesn’t. It’s it’s a mindset thing, but I think it’s really important. So there’s like certain associations that you build to something.

00:41:20:13 – 00:41:45:18
Micah Lowe
So let’s say like it’s ice cream or it’s alcohol, you begin to and you usually enjoy those things with people or an environment, at least at the beginning, that you enjoy the environment. But then you begin to say like, Hey, Nathan, you and I are having this beer, and I can start to attribute our time together and the positive impact that I had from that to the alcohol.

00:41:46:00 – 00:42:05:07
Micah Lowe
And so what you do is you deconstruct what are all my beliefs about this thing that is telling me it’s beneficial. You deconstruct those and you you start to take a look at what it actually is. And then once you understand what it actually is, which is like a poison of, like decayed fruit and vegetable matter, you don’t crave it anymore.

00:42:05:07 – 00:42:25:19
Micah Lowe
It’s gone. And so there’s and I can’t say exactly what it is for sugar, right. Or what it is for the individual. But I think there is something to the mindset aspect that is really important for for people to work through. Otherwise you’re going to crave it and you can diminish that. But once you get rid of the craving, you no longer need to use willpower.

00:42:25:19 – 00:42:52:09
Micah Lowe
You no longer need to try to avoid it or kind of like, Oh, I want that thing, but I can’t have it. And that’s all gone and it’s just so much easier. But I think that’s important too. But also there is the physical, the adaptation. Your body does have an immense ability to adapt and get rid of those, those things that you crave and then just have a new understanding of what it is to operate, to have a new understanding of, you know, you feel good, right, by eating foods.

00:42:52:09 – 00:42:58:04
Micah Lowe
And so now you have that new understanding that you can operate off of that continually reinforces what you’re doing.

00:42:59:00 – 00:43:17:13
Nathan Crane
Yeah, no. I mean, you bring up a good point. I talk about addiction a lot also similar to you. I mean, I went through a lot of addiction as a teenager and struggle with it in my early twenties and, you know, drugs and alcohol and sugar and sex and drama and fights and you name it. Like I was full blown, addicted to a lot of stuff.

00:43:17:13 – 00:43:39:09
Nathan Crane
That’s not good for you. Right. And and overcoming those addictions were very, very, very hard. And A lot of it was mental emotional connection to it. Right? A lot of it was. I mean, there’s a physical addiction. I mean, cigarets when I quit cigarets cold turkey, I used to smoke two packs a day. And when I when I quit cold turkey, it was it was a mindset thing.

00:43:39:09 – 00:44:02:21
Nathan Crane
First it was I’m done with this. I just I’m working out. I’m getting healthy. I’m changing my life. I am Cigarets have no place in my life any more. Now, up to that point, I tried quitting six or seven times and could never last more than a day. Right. Like it just I didn’t have that strong enough reason to actually quit cigarets until, you know, I moved.

00:44:02:21 – 00:44:21:24
Nathan Crane
I was ready to change my life. I was making big changes. I changed my environment. And then I started going to the gym and I’d finish a workout and then I’d step outside a gym and light up a cigaret and that that right, that association. I had this realization. I’m like, What the hell are you doing? You’re trying to get healthy and exercise.

00:44:21:24 – 00:44:54:24
Nathan Crane
You’re working out, and then you step outside and you put this cancer in your body, like, what are you doing? This is so insane. And when I finally had that big realization and a commitment to my health, I finally had a strong enough reason to quit CIGARETS And so that was, you know, I would say one of the easiest addictions I overcame because once I had that strong enough reason, I, I was like, I’m quitting cigarets I told my roommates, you know, I think I was like 19, 20 years old, and I started smoking as early as like nine years old.

00:44:54:24 – 00:45:16:22
Nathan Crane
I mean, I was still in my mom’s cigarets and smoking. I was friends and I was full blown addicted to Cigarets at like 13, 14 years old, I think 15. I was smoking two packs a day all the way up until 1920. And then basically it was make that commitment, told my roommates, Hey, I’m going to be an asshole for a few days, deal with it.

00:45:16:22 – 00:45:36:03
Nathan Crane
I’m quitting smoking, you know. And it was it was that was it. It was done. Never touched a cigaret ever again. I found myself. The physical addiction is so crazy, right? The habit is so crazy. It was day two and I was sitting outside out in the chair. I used to smoke outside the apartment and there was an ashtray there with like some half lit and cigaret butts.

00:45:36:15 – 00:45:53:07
Nathan Crane
And I unconsciously grabbed one, put in my mouth and started to light it before I realized what I was doing. I was like, What are you doing? I threw it, you know, took all that, threw it in the garbage and went to a job interview the next day. And I was sweating and shaking. And I was like I was like, man, I’m sorry.

00:45:53:07 – 00:45:57:04
Nathan Crane
I’m really not in a good place right now. I just quit cigarets like two days ago.

00:45:57:14 – 00:45:58:14
Micah Lowe
Made a great interview.

00:45:58:14 – 00:46:05:24
Nathan Crane
I’m sure it was like I was like my hand was, like, gushing, you know, like, just pouring sweat. And I’m like, I was like, I better get rid of.

00:46:05:24 – 00:46:06:18
Micah Lowe
All that stuff.

00:46:07:04 – 00:46:27:21
Nathan Crane
It’s like, I better say something, but never, ever, to your point, never, ever, once, you know. And that was 18 years ago. 19 years ago. Never had a second thought about a cigaret ever again, never counted days, never kind of months, whatever it was. Like once it was done, it was done. Alcohol was much tougher for me and took years to finally get to that point.

00:46:28:04 – 00:46:56:18
Nathan Crane
Hard drugs actually were a little bit easier, not easy, but easier than the alcohol. You know, each one of those had their journey and had their time and had their challenges, but each one was mental, emotional, physical, even spiritual, you know, and like you said, you know, learning what it’s really doing to the body, you know, reminding myself every day how terrible this thing is that I’m doing to myself, what it’s doing to me, how it’s damaging me, how it’s killing me.

00:46:56:18 – 00:47:18:21
Nathan Crane
It’s not good for me at all. You know, I convinced myself that wine was all I could have. A glass or two a day of wine. Right. Good for me. Resveratrol, antioxidants, bull shit. Right. We lie to ourselves like we find these. We find these little excuses to keep doing the things that we want to do because of the addiction to it, because of how we feel when at the end of the day, poison is poison is poison.

00:47:18:21 – 00:47:39:09
Nathan Crane
It’s poison toxins. In your process, food is poison, fast food is poison, alcohol is poison. Processed sugar is basically poison to your body. These things are poison. And that’s what we have to fully accept before we can start to make the changes that you’re talking about.

00:47:39:09 – 00:48:01:05
Micah Lowe
Yeah. And there’s, you know, obviously the habits are the really insidious part of that. Know, I think it’s like we all know that like it’s good to not eat sugar, but yeah, I’m going to have a cookie here and there, but I get it. And that’s okay too. Sure. But yeah, it’s, it is quite a journey and I think we have actually talked about our addiction before.

00:48:01:05 – 00:48:32:23
Micah Lowe
Like in person I generally share but not on podcast so much. But yeah, it’s always really interesting to see people’s journeys through addiction because it can vary so much. For me, I was just alcohol. I had tried a number of times to quit. I would make some progress, relapse on it. But then once I figured out that it’s all there is this and this is kind of like maybe even over complex applying it, I’m not really sure, but these associations that I had built around that once I got rid of those was just gone.

00:48:32:23 – 00:48:43:02
Micah Lowe
And so I have never wanted another drink again. It’s actually called the car method, so that’s what I went through and it worked for me phenomenally. Just amazing.

00:48:43:02 – 00:48:43:23
Nathan Crane
But how do you spell it?

00:48:43:23 – 00:49:08:17
Micah Lowe
I’m pretty cool. C.A.R. Anybody struggling with addictions, I highly recommend going through that because it’s it really works on that mindset thing. There needs to be that desire. There and I think that’s the common thread through everything. And so understanding the negative impact of it and seeing it in your life and understanding how it’s detrimental for your health, that will help to build the desire.

00:49:09:04 – 00:49:31:05
Micah Lowe
But it isn’t always enough to actually quit. And then I always thought I felt I feel bad when people have that like, you know, that, that, that craving for it consistently for many years later because it’s like that’s a bad sentence too. And so that’s where I think that mindset stuff comes in is where you still believe that’s beneficial to you.

00:49:32:04 – 00:49:35:02
Micah Lowe
That’s why you’re craving it. You still think that’s a good thing for you.

00:49:35:07 – 00:49:36:10
Nathan Crane
Even subconsciously.

00:49:36:10 – 00:49:46:00
Micah Lowe
With willpower? Yeah, subconsciously. It’s really difficult to make up those things and really understand what’s going on here and. And how do I get rid of this craving?

00:49:47:10 – 00:50:16:24
Nathan Crane
It is, and most of it is subconscious. It is as associations exact. And the longer you have an addiction to something sugar, drama, alcohol, you name it, the harder it is. Because the I don’t say the harder it is. I’ll just say the more ingrained those associations are for most people. Right. Especially when that association is positive, when it’s when it’s like I drink, I have a few drinks after work because it, it calms me down, makes me feel good, you know, it takes the edge off, right?

00:50:16:24 – 00:50:40:14
Nathan Crane
Like it’s just all of these associations. They’re positive. And same thing for me. Like, I did this on my own. I wish I had the car knew about the car method back then. You know, it’s like I relapsed so many times. And what you’re saying to me was 100% true in my own case was once I had enough negative associations that outweighed the positives, it got to a point where it was just like, okay Yeah, this no longer makes sense for me anymore.

00:50:40:14 – 00:51:00:09
Nathan Crane
There is no more positive association with this. And in fact, there’s 100 negative associations, you know, and they outweigh the positive associations that I had. And then same thing once it was done, it was like, Dude, I’ll go out when I go to like mastermind events and stuff in San Diego, you know, I’ll go out to and I was a full blown alcoholic, by the way, like drinking myself to death.

00:51:00:09 – 00:51:23:01
Nathan Crane
It runs in my family. It’s you know, very many of my family members have you have, you know, unfortunately passed because of alcohol and drug addiction. And and I was definitely headed down that path. Now, you know, this is years I’ve been sober. I can go to a nightclub in San Diego and you know, drink, drink a sparkling water, you know, while everyone’s getting drunk.

00:51:23:01 – 00:51:25:23
Nathan Crane
And I’m out there dancing on a dance floor having the time of my life.

00:51:25:23 – 00:51:26:22
Micah Lowe
Time of your life, you know?

00:51:26:22 – 00:51:44:16
Nathan Crane
Right. And then it’s yeah, it’s 11:00 and I, you know, 11 midnight, I head back to the hotel and I get to sleep sober. Wake up feeling great. Everyone else gets back the hotel at two, three in the morning and then, you know, we meet up in the morning, they all got glasses on, they’re all hung over. And I’m like, you got you know, you guys are missing out.

00:51:44:16 – 00:51:44:23
Nathan Crane
You know.

00:51:45:09 – 00:52:04:11
Micah Lowe
It’s like it is true. Like people are it’s like, yeah, I can totally relate to that sense because I’m not traveling as much now. But last year I was traveling a lot and people always inquiring about that and like, well, you know, I’ll go out with you guys. I have actually more fun now than when I drank because I write for myself.

00:52:04:11 – 00:52:19:04
Micah Lowe
I was not, you know, wake up, hung over, not feel good, and I can have fun. I don’t have any like need to drink. Like there’s nothing in me that says I need to do this thing. I just go and enjoy myself and it’s it’s much better for it.

00:52:19:09 – 00:52:39:19
Nathan Crane
Life is so much better without alcohol. Am I right? Like, yeah, I had a lot of good times. I had a lot of crazy times. But it the other day I think I had if you add it all up, probably a lot worse times than good. If you were to really weigh in. Oh, by far. Right. And like being sober, it’s like I don’t have that problem.

00:52:41:01 – 00:52:56:06
Micah Lowe
It wasn’t the alcohol that was the good time. It was the thing you were doing. You just happened to be drinking alcohol at the same time. You you’re so go do that thing. That thing is fun. Like whatever it is, being a little goofy or hanging out with your friends, you can still go do that and have fun, but you don’t need to drink alcohol.

00:52:56:10 – 00:53:00:18
Micah Lowe
It’s not the alcohol that makes it fun. It’s the thing you’re doing. That’s that’s the confusion that people get.

00:53:01:01 – 00:53:21:09
Nathan Crane
Well, and it does I mean, we know alcohol, you know, it does kind of, let’s say lower inhibitions, right? People are less self judging to themselves, which is why I like I got to that point where, look, I’ll dance sober and I don’t care how goofy I look and I don’t know how to dance. But what’s funny, everyone else is drunk and they’re watching me dance.

00:53:21:09 – 00:53:40:14
Nathan Crane
They they haven’t gotten drunk enough yet to go and dance, but the next day everyone’s like, Man, you were tearing it up on the dance floor, so on. So, you know. And I’m like, Yeah. And I’m like, I literally have no idea. How did they as. I’m just, like, throwing myself around out there, having fun, you know, like, way more fun sober than because I don’t feel like shit the next day.

00:53:40:14 – 00:53:54:18
Nathan Crane
And I know that I’m healthy and I’m feeling good. You know, it just it is tough. It’s tough for for it was tough for me and it’s tough for a lot of people. It’s not tough anymore for me, which is which is a blessing. But Ozone, I want to go back to ozone.

00:53:54:18 – 00:54:09:03
Micah Lowe
So we went through a lot of a lot of paths to get here. But here we are better than most interviews because it’s usually like, how’d you get into this? What you do? Which I don’t mind those questions, but they can be kind of boilerplate, right?

00:54:09:03 – 00:54:29:16
Nathan Crane
Yeah. No, no, that’s that’s kind of how it goes is jump all over the place and talk about a lot of unexpected stuff and, and it turns out pretty awesome. So yeah, like, you know, tell me more about Ozone. So you were using it with your brother and you saw good results and then you you basically like dove in headfirst into ozone.

00:54:29:16 – 00:54:40:07
Nathan Crane
What what are some of the crazy things you discovered that you had no idea that you could use ozone for and and have seen like crazy results with it?

00:54:41:10 – 00:55:02:08
Micah Lowe
Yeah. I mean, there’s a lot of things you can use it for. So that is one of the things that drew me to it is the versatility of it. So how can you have a molecule that’s it’s ozone but used in so many different capacities. So for example, it’s tremendous. And wound healing. Wound healing. It’s absolutely tremendous for in fact, I’m I am still confused.

00:55:02:08 – 00:55:21:02
Micah Lowe
Why not every wound care clinic in the country doesn’t utilize it because it’s just so effective. So that’s one example, right? Another example is you can use it in the form of an I.V. So they pull out some blood, they mix in the ozone gas and then put the blood back into the body. And that is helpful in four domains.

00:55:21:02 – 00:55:48:14
Micah Lowe
Primarily, it’s really helpful for microcirculation. So improved blood flow, etc., reduced chronic oxidative stress, which is really counterintuitive because it’s an accident. So that’s where people are like, well, I’m oxidative stress, why would I use an accident? What happens is it stimulates a small amount of stress and then your body responds by increasing the amount of endogenous antioxidants that it creates more antioxidants.

00:55:48:14 – 00:56:11:08
Micah Lowe
And so they actually have studies on people going through chemotherapy and doing IV ozone and they have controls and stuff, too. But the group that does the ozone had a huge diminishment. And the negative side effects of chemotherapy. And why is that is because it increases the antioxidant protection of the cells so much that they have like a 70% improvement in quality of life matrix.

00:56:12:04 – 00:56:37:10
Micah Lowe
And this is pretty good research on this, too. So it’s mitigating chronic oxidative stress. It’s increasing oxygen efficiency. So that’s why a lot of athletes use it. There’s a lot of professional athletes, hockey players, baseball players, NFL players, etc. They don’t really advertise it because they don’t like to put their medical information out there and the teams can use that against them and certain things are banned and so they don’t advertise it a whole lot.

00:56:37:10 – 00:57:04:23
Micah Lowe
But we have worked with a lot of professional athletes who use it because it increases your your oxygen delivery system. So your anaerobic threshold goes up the anaerobic threshold is important for sports because if you’re like jogging or running or whatever, you’re using aerobic respiration, your your metabolism is taking an oxygen and basically using the oxygen at the same rate as it’s metabolizing it.

00:57:04:23 – 00:57:27:20
Micah Lowe
But once you go into anaerobic, you’re less efficient, you’re getting less energy output you’re using are building up more lactic acid. So if you raise the ceiling on that, what happens is you can run for longer without tiring out. So they experience that they have as they less quickly essentially. So that’s anaerobic threshold oxygen delivery and forcing. Why am I going blank on it?

00:57:27:20 – 00:57:54:17
Micah Lowe
So chronic oxidative stress microcirculation immune modulation, of course. So immune modulation is balancing out the immune system. I’m sure you’ve talked about a lot of products that do it. So it’s balancing out the immune system. That’s why it’s used in autoimmune disorders and immunosuppressed. So if they’re immunosuppressed, it raises that up. If they’re high, like an autoimmune disorder, the body attacking itself, it quiets down the way that it does this, though, it’s not that ozone is intelligent.

00:57:54:17 – 00:58:14:18
Micah Lowe
It’s enacting your body’s own intelligence to be able to do these things. So it’s using the response like you would have in a sauna or an ice bath or exercise to to as a catalyst to get your body up and running and doing what it’s supposed to be doing. So increasing the antioxidants, improving the circulation and the circulation improvement is pretty substantial too.

00:58:14:18 – 00:58:43:14
Micah Lowe
That’s why it’s used in my peripheral vascular disease and whatnot. So yeah, I mean, that’s kind of like what it’s doing in a broad brush stroke and ivy ozone, rectal ozone, vaginal ozone, all kind of do that same thing. Ivy ozone would be if there’s like infections that would probably be the best rectal ozone would be if there’s got issues and you want that systemic effect, that would probably be the best vaginal ozone, same thing, vaginal issues or you want that systemic effect.

00:58:44:13 – 00:58:56:22
Micah Lowe
And then there’s like ways to apply it under the skin, such as the ozone, oil, the bagging. You can put it into the ears for ear infections, ear issues, ear, nose and throat issues. So there’s a lot of different applications for it. So it’s pretty versatile.

00:58:57:10 – 00:59:14:06
Nathan Crane
If you use it topically, like as an oil infused oil. Does that ozone actually? Cause I know ozone only lasts like, you know, very short time, right? Like if you put ozone in a bottle and you like it’s basically like.

00:59:14:07 – 00:59:17:18
Micah Lowe
That’s why you can’t sell it in a bottle format. You need to generate it on site. Yeah.

00:59:17:20 – 00:59:29:11
Nathan Crane
So, so you infuse oil and then you put that like on your skin. Does that go in systemically like into your bloodstream? So, you know, things you put on your skin, you know, will get into your bloodstream. But does ozone actually get in the bloodstream that way, do you know?

00:59:30:15 – 00:59:56:22
Micah Lowe
No. Yeah. So when you infuser into an oil, it creates a peroxide. So it actually be more accurately called a peroxide oil, which is different than hydrogen peroxide, but it’s a peroxide. And so but to my knowledge, it’s not getting a systemic benefit in the same way that rectal or vaginal or IV would. You know, there’s some limited research on its effect in like muscle soreness and that kind of stuff.

00:59:56:22 – 01:00:24:18
Micah Lowe
So it seems to be positive, but we don’t I don’t think we really know the effects of that for sure yet. So, you know, with time you think that will get figured out. It’s also not an area because there’s all these other ways to use it that physicians are you know, when I’m talking about the integrative physicians kind of in our circle more, but they’re not so much using like the ozone needed oil across the body to see what effect that’s going to have systemically when they have these other ways of doing it that are pretty tried and true.

01:00:25:10 – 01:00:32:01
Nathan Crane
So like the athletes you were talking about are like improving athletic performance. How are they using it generally?

01:00:32:22 – 01:00:50:03
Micah Lowe
Usually I.V. rectal would probably be better in easier. It’s not glamorous, but it works pretty well. So it’s kind of the counterpart to doing an I.V. But, you know, a lot of people can’t get their mind around that and be willing to do it right because it’s a.

01:00:50:16 – 01:00:51:20
Nathan Crane
Uh, it can something like.

01:00:51:20 – 01:01:10:03
Micah Lowe
I said, it’s not glamorous. Yeah. Yeah, right. So a lot of people don’t want to do recommend deflation because it’s in animals, but they’ll, they’ll, they’ll do the I.V. format typically. And that’s also easier to introduce somebody to an an I.V. than being like, hey, you need to shallow ozone gas up your body. You know, it’s like.

01:01:10:16 – 01:01:29:06
Nathan Crane
How how often would someone use ozone therapy? Like, let’s say let’s say someone’s interested in longevity, performance, anti-aging, health maintenance versus somebody dealing with chronic disease like cancer. Like what? What are those, you know, you know, frequency. So, like.

01:01:31:02 – 01:01:56:03
Micah Lowe
There’s a few ways that you could dice it up. So for somebody that’s, like sick and wants to get well and they’re taking that seriously, they might do it like an IV twice a week, or they might do rectal installation five times a week and that’s for somebody that, you know, is taking a little bit more aggressively, trying to get a good response over time for people that are healthy and want to be on the proactive side or they’re athletes.

01:01:57:03 – 01:02:12:00
Micah Lowe
You can do it in groupings where like, say you do that five times a week for a month and then you kind of don’t do it for another six months or so, or you could spread it out to where you’re doing it like twice a week, maybe an I.V., you know, once a week for four weeks, but typically.

01:02:12:00 – 01:02:30:06
Micah Lowe
So somebody’s just doing it as a preventative or for athletics, 2 to 3 times a week is kind of normal. But you could just like grouped together in a month, do like more and then not do it again for six months. That cycling is actually an important part of it and that grouping together does have a good effect because it compounds on itself.

01:02:30:06 – 01:02:47:24
Micah Lowe
It’s not like a three IVs are three times better than one. That’s more like six times better than one if you do it in a tight enough window. So it compounds on itself to get more antioxidant production and more effects. If you do it in a window, you also don’t want to overdo it. That’s why it’s like you don’t do it every day.

01:02:47:24 – 01:03:01:21
Micah Lowe
You do it five times a week for the rectum situation because it is a stress. So you don’t exercise all day, 10 hours a day that’s just breaking the body down. You exercise a few hours a day or a couple hours a day, 4 to 5 times a week.

01:03:03:00 – 01:03:06:11
Nathan Crane
How is how is ozone made? Can you talk about the process of ozone?

01:03:07:09 – 01:03:29:15
Micah Lowe
Yeah. So when we’re talking about ozone, we’re talking about a gas. I don’t know even said that this gas can be infused water into oil, but usually it’s used as a in the gas format. So the ozone insulations, the rectal insulation that is taking the gas and sticking where the sun shine. But essentially we use an oxygen tank and we have what’s called an ozone generator.

01:03:29:24 – 01:03:55:11
Micah Lowe
These are ozone generators for this are specially made laboratory, laboratory grade materials. They don’t degrade, they don’t break down and produce toxic elements, essentially. So it’s important to have a laboratory grade generator, essentially, but you have the oxygen, it goes through the generator and that has a high frequency and electrical frequency and that breaks apart the ozone or the oxygen and it recombine into ozone.

01:03:55:11 – 01:04:10:05
Micah Lowe
And then these machines control the rate at which that happens and whatnot, so that you have like particular concentrations that you might want to use and whatnot. But that’s how it’s working. It’s taking an oxygen tank, breaking down the oxygen and converting it into ozone.

01:04:10:13 – 01:04:21:20
Nathan Crane
Which for people don’t know, you know, oxygen is to, you know, oh two, right. And ozone is oh three. It’s three atoms or three molecules of oxygen. Right. That are put together.

01:04:21:20 – 01:04:34:02
Micah Lowe
Correct. Yep. So it’s oh three, it’s closely related to oxygen, but obviously has very, very different properties because of its instability. And that’s also why you can’t bottle it because it turns back, not oxygen over the course of a couple of hours.

01:04:34:08 – 01:04:39:18
Nathan Crane
Where do you find ozone in the atmosphere, like as a gas?

01:04:40:14 – 01:05:01:09
Micah Lowe
Yeah, I mean, it’d be the ozone layer. So that’s utilized to prevent the harmful forms of radiation from the sun entering the atmosphere. So a lot of people have heard of the ozone layer because they’ll talk about the hole in the ozone layer they used to. And so, yeah, that’s that’s a layer of ozone gaps that covers the entire planet and protects us from harmful radiation from the sun.

01:05:02:02 – 01:05:27:24
Micah Lowe
You also our bodies actually naturally make ozone to a lot of people don’t know that it’s a part of our immune system. So it’s something that is native to our bodies. But a lot of people aren’t aware of that in nature. The other place that you find it is like thunderstorms. So when lightning comes down, that that frequency, that that electricity splits the oxygen and some of them recombine into ozone.

01:05:27:24 – 01:05:30:21
Micah Lowe
So you can actually smell it after a lightning storm. Sometimes.

01:05:30:21 – 01:05:45:24
Nathan Crane
So the only thing so so if people wanted to use ozone at home, they needed an ozone generator. A machine. Right. And then and then what they would refill is is an oxygen tank. Now, that’s the only thing they need to, like, you know, fill up.

01:05:46:04 – 01:05:47:03
Micah Lowe
Yeah. Like once a year.

01:05:47:11 – 01:05:48:00
Nathan Crane
Once a year.

01:05:49:08 – 01:06:05:16
Micah Lowe
Yeah. Not super frequent. So you get a machine and you’re kind of set for a long time and then refilling the tank is like 20 bucks. So yeah, it’s pretty inexpensive to go to meet a skilled economy and there’s a guide on there that walks through everything and how to do it. And, you know, we share kind of our stories on it.

01:06:05:16 – 01:06:15:01
Micah Lowe
I have a team of people that work with it too, but that guy kind of walks all the different ways that it can be done. So right up at the top there is as download the definitive guide.

01:06:16:16 – 01:06:39:01
Nathan Crane
Yeah med is yeah m.ed i s i l l dot com. Yeah, I was looking through this. You have a ton of information on basically, you know, the different types of ozone, how to do it at home, use physician guided intravenous equipment at home user. So the equipment is there any brands of equipment you recommend?

01:06:39:01 – 01:06:47:12
Micah Lowe
Just whatever you put in the bottom of this there is podcast.

01:06:47:12 – 01:07:03:08
Nathan Crane
Oh, here’s the guide. So here’s the, the guy that you were talking about. This is the one that people can download for free at the top right here. This link re definitive guide. Nice. I’m going to have to start doing ozone.

01:07:03:08 – 01:07:07:07
Micah Lowe
Did I thought you were already but no.

01:07:07:08 – 01:07:07:21
Nathan Crane
I.

01:07:07:21 – 01:07:08:16
Micah Lowe
Had up with the machine.

01:07:08:22 – 01:07:13:05
Nathan Crane
I haven’t been. I haven’t been no.

01:07:13:05 – 01:07:15:20
Micah Lowe
Just set me up. Be happy to get you everything.

01:07:16:11 – 01:07:57:03
Nathan Crane
Cool, cool, cool. Well, I mean, I’ve done a bunch of research out there and the, the company recommend for people to check out if you’re interested in an ozone machine is from simply O3. You guys can check them out but I do recommend to this website mid-scale dot com and educating yourself further on ozone and ozone therapy if you’re interested in this if people want to get in I’ve and work with a doctor who uses ozone who’s been trained as you guys trained doctors right like where is there like a list of doctors that people can find or do they just have to Google it or what?

01:07:57:03 – 01:08:15:08
Micah Lowe
You know, we used to have a list on the website, but it’s obviously a bit of work to do. Upkeep on all the different physicians. There’s many thousands in the United States that provide ozone services and now with like concierge nurses and, you know, remote drips and all that kind of thing, there’s many, many, many thousands of people.

01:08:15:08 – 01:08:30:08
Micah Lowe
So the best way actually, is just to go into Google Maps and search ozone therapy near me and then, you know, give that physician a call, make sure it’s, you know, doing the type of ozone that you want. And that’s that’s the best way to find somebody who does it.

01:08:30:24 – 01:08:31:12
Nathan Crane
I just I.

01:08:31:13 – 01:08:32:07
Micah Lowe
Just be accurate.

01:08:32:11 – 01:08:37:17
Nathan Crane
I just Googled it. And, yeah, I found a bunch that popped up here in Jacksonville, for example. So that’s easy.

01:08:38:19 – 01:08:39:10
Micah Lowe
Yeah. Yeah.

01:08:40:00 – 01:08:47:19
Nathan Crane
Awesome, dear. I appreciate you coming on. It’s good catching up and good to see you, man. Yeah. Thanks for, uh, thanks for being here.

01:08:48:14 – 01:08:58:07
Micah Lowe
Yeah, thanks, Nathan. I appreciate it. It was a great time. It’s kind of cool just to be able to talk about whatever is on our mind. So I appreciate the format that you bring to people and I hope it’s helpful.

01:08:58:18 – 01:09:00:13
Nathan Crane
Awesome mean. We’ll see.