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(This transcript was auto-generated so there may be some errors)

00;00;00;00 – 00;00;40;24
Nathan Crane
Hello. Hello, hello. Welcome back to the podcast. Today we have Owen himself with us here. I’m excited for him to share his journey of battling cancer with all of you. I’ve seen a bunch of his videos online probably the past couple of years. Owen I think I’ve seen you like on Facebook in different places talking about, you know, your diagnosis, what you’ve been doing to treat it naturally, how you basically had a stage four terminal cancer diagnosis and you have been battling it back consistently and seeing amazing results for yourself using a more holistic approach.

00;00;40;24 – 00;00;52;08
Nathan Crane
So I appreciate you coming on the podcast to talk about it. Man, I think we can definitely just share in your journey and your story and what you’ve been doing, I know is helping a lot of people. So appreciate you coming on now.

00;00;52;08 – 00;01;14;27
Owen Hemsath
I’m so excited to be here because, you know, in sharing my story, I’ve seen people make decisions that have resulted in their their lives being I mean, one one lady came up to me at a conference and she was like, I showed I found your stuff. The doctors sent my son home to die, like he already did as much chemo as he could do.

00;01;14;27 – 00;01;43;22
Owen Hemsath
And there’s, like, there’s nothing that we could do. We took him home. We found your videos on ketosis and fasting, and we began to do that with our son. And he is alive and well today. Just had, like, his 10th birthday. And that’s all because I decided to share, you know, what I did in my journey. And so, so I’m really excited to talk about the, the hell that I crawled through to get into a place where today I’m cancer free.

00;01;44;24 – 00;01;54;04
Nathan Crane
That’s epic. Did. So why don’t you start back a little bit with the diagnosis you were diagnosed well in 2020 with stage four basically cancer the thymus gland, right?

00;01;54;19 – 00;02;15;13
Owen Hemsath
Yeah. Yeah. And that was that was my second diagnosis. So I had been diagnosed in 2015 with stage three. My mom, there was 12 centimeter tumor in my in my chest and I had a whole set of symptoms trying to figure it out. You know, like I was sucking down cold medicine, like, oh, no, it’s I got a cold, you know, and then it’s like that.

00;02;15;18 – 00;02;38;04
Owen Hemsath
It’s like maybe it’s Tums. And I’m like, now I’m like eating Tums because I felt like pains and stuff and I just couldn’t figure it out. But then, you know, I started to have night sweats and and I’m sweating through like two or three shirts on nights, and we’re just like, what is going on? And so that’s when my doctor at the time was like, go to the hospital and they found this 12 centimeter tumor in my chest.

00;02;38;18 – 00;03;08;08
Owen Hemsath
And so I immediately did everything the doctors told me to do. I never once Googled my momma. I never once Googled the chemo’s that they gave me. In fact, I very much just trusted the medical system. I really didn’t have any reason not to. At that time, I didn’t know anything about really much at all. So I did extensive chemotherapy and radiation when I lost all my hair, you know, all that week and ball crying naked in the shower, you know what I mean?

00;03;08;08 – 00;03;31;00
Owen Hemsath
Like I went through it, after which, you know, they let me ring the bell. And I assumed that that meant that the cancer was gone. And what I found out that it meant is that, no, in fact, I just finished the treatment, right? Like they delivered the product that they planned to deliver to me. And that’s when I got to ring the bell to celebrate that.

00;03;31;00 – 00;03;50;06
Owen Hemsath
And and so I went about living my life and I really made no changes in my life at all. I mean, some, I guess, but but really the radiation and the chemotherapy and such damage to my body that I was really in and out of the hospital with blood clots and angioplasties. And we all knew, like, man, that radiation really messed me up.

00;03;50;06 – 00;04;07;11
Owen Hemsath
That chemo really messed me up, you know? And I’m just, like, trying to get my health back and, like, just trying to get back into the flow of things. And I’m starting starting to finally feel healthy again, right? When 2020 rolls around and is just for us, just a deeply stressful year as it was for so many people.

00;04;07;11 – 00;04;34;29
Owen Hemsath
But I also lost a very good friend of mine who ended his own life. I gave the eulogy at his funeral, and six months after that, my cancer had returned as stage four terminal five moment cancer. I had just moved my family out of California and I collapsed again. And knowing, learning what I had learned is like go to the hospital now.

00;04;34;29 – 00;04;54;08
Owen Hemsath
Right. And so we went to the hospital. You know, I thought they were going to say blood clots. They going to say it’s more you need other angioplasty. But indeed, the doctor came back in and he was white as a ghost and he was like, there’s cancer all over your body. And they’re no, no, no, no, no. We we beat cancer.

00;04;54;08 – 00;05;13;13
Owen Hemsath
No, no, no. That’s like old x rays, you know? And it it took a minute. My wife’s out in the parking lot because she couldn’t come in because of COVID. And that’s when we got the bad news. And that’s when that’s that brings us to, like, when we began the journey today. So we we went home from the doctor’s office, depressed.

00;05;13;26 – 00;05;21;12
Owen Hemsath
I’m angry, y, you know, just confused. And, and it took us a while to find our feet again after that.

00;05;22;01 – 00;05;45;03
Nathan Crane
Mm mm. Yeah. That second diagnosis must have been brutal. So to recap what you just said, you were first diagnosed with stage three in 2015. You then did all the treatments, chemotherapy, radiation, etc., lost your hair, got very sick, but made it through it. Then you basically had. How long did that take? Was that a year of treatment?

00;05;45;04 – 00;05;46;11
Nathan Crane
How long was that process.

00;05;46;14 – 00;06;07;00
Owen Hemsath
Took a year of treatment. It was like six months of chemo, a full week of chemo every month. And it was like, you know, like every day was a different chemo’s. Like Adrian Meyerson on Mondays. It was like a four hour infusion. Man Oh, and I just came out of that, like, and so then the whole week just kind of like, did.

00;06;07;01 – 00;06;43;00
Owen Hemsath
And then after that, it’s like another chemo, then another chemo and the new last two shots on Friday. So by Saturday I was just like fetal position, you know, they gave me two months to recover before I did radiation Monday through Friday for 30 days. And then I had 4.5 years before the the re diagnosis, you know, but again, like when they found the diagnosis, it was kind of like we didn’t have any giant tumors, but we had such, like this spread of disease that it was it was clear that it never had really gone away.

00;06;43;00 – 00;07;01;07
Owen Hemsath
You know, it’s it’s like the chemotherapy probably caused these cells to go hibernate for a little bit and like kind of like shrink down, but then over time and the all the added stress that was going on in my life, my friend’s death and then COVID happening and, you know, all the things like we moved because of COVID and all these different things.

00;07;01;07 – 00;07;29;26
Owen Hemsath
Like it just it got to a place where I was I developed myasthenia gravis, which is really common. 20% of my patients get get IMG where like the it’s an autoimmune where like my the this upper vein in your upper arms here it’s super weak man. So like I was changing a doorknob in my house and my hands started shaking and I could not hold the screwdriver in my hand like it’s.

00;07;30;22 – 00;07;44;10
Owen Hemsath
So I had to, like, get into a chair and, and put, like, pillows next to my elbow. It’s like my whole body could move. I could be, like, fully at rest. That’s when we went to the hospital and they diagnosed me. Stage four, Terminal.

00;07;45;05 – 00;08;19;02
Nathan Crane
C, so stage four terminal this is 2020. I want to in a minute I want to get into everything you’ve done to get yourself cancer free since things were recording this at the end of 2023 is basically December 2023. So it’s, you know, less than three years or three years, roughly three years later. And so I want to get into all those details, but before and also I will share, you know, the science behind metastasis and chemotherapy and radiation and the stem cell connection and why this is actually very common.

00;08;19;02 – 00;08;43;27
Nathan Crane
This happens to a lot of cancer patients. What happened to you? I meet many cancer patients that this happens to, and there’s pretty well known reasons why it happens and how chemotherapy, radiation actually can cause metastasis. And this is published in the peer reviewed journals. But before that, for people who don’t know what radiation is like, I personally don’t know.

00;08;43;27 – 00;09;08;09
Nathan Crane
Personally, I’ve heard from many firsthand accounts what that experience is like. But you don’t know unless you’ve gone through it. Right. But tell us. Share with us. Everybody listening like, what is it like to go through radiation? What is what do you feel? How do you feel afterwards? How do you feel the next weeks following? What’s your energy like, your focus like your physical health?

00;09;08;21 – 00;09;11;29
Nathan Crane
I just talk about that so people understand what this does to the body.

00;09;12;24 – 00;09;40;29
Owen Hemsath
Radiation was the biggest mistake I’ve ever made in my life, I think, and I feel like I need to be very clear about that decision that ultimately I made. I don’t I don’t you know, the doctors, they diagnosed me. And within moments, you know, it’s so funny, man. Like, I’m in the emergency room for hours on. And then when they finally find a diagnosable disease, like, they rushed me upstairs, I got a room so fast, you know what I mean?

00;09;40;29 – 00;10;07;23
Owen Hemsath
And and and all. And it was. It’s all happening so fast. And so that’s you know, I didn’t research. Nobody told me, like, hey, this is what’s going to happen to your body. In the beginning, we were so impressed with our doctors speed in getting me under the beam, you know, and you go into this place where they’re measuring you to the millisecond, right?

00;10;07;23 – 00;10;36;25
Owen Hemsath
Like, I still have these three tattoos. You get a tattoo here, it’s like Stargate, right? Like everyone’s got to turn their key, you know, like they have to line up these three lines with with lasers and. And they put you in this bed because of my area. Like, I had to put my arms up above my head. And you just have to hold them there while you’re in this hospital bed in this high, super advanced tech space room.

00;10;36;25 – 00;11;03;00
Owen Hemsath
You know what I mean? It’s run by 20 somethings, you know, early 30 somethings. You know that these people that just got out of, you know, you don’t need medical school necessarily to run all these things that it’s ten years of school or whatever it is, radiologists and whatnot. But it’s it’s a very young room and it’s like, here I am a peer being put in this weird space age room and they point this beam at you and you don’t feel anything in the moment.

00;11;03;00 – 00;11;23;19
Owen Hemsath
But over time, what happens is these these symptoms start to arise. So for me, you know, I had this triangular area on my chest of which there there’s no hair. And then there’s a big scar down the center from the the the surgery that we did to remove the tumor. And I’m I’m supposed to be in a place of gratitude, right?

00;11;23;19 – 00;11;59;16
Owen Hemsath
And I get this in my my Instagram comments a lot. Like I, I share my experience a lot on cancer fighter own is my is my Instagram handle and I well lucky you you had the world’s greatest medical treatment, you know, and it’s like, hey, some people at least you could afford it, you know? But I have to be emphatic is if I had been told about the side effects, I could have made a better decision if I had been been told that the radiation would try to a crisp everything like crispy solid bacon.

00;12;01;04 – 00;12;23;19
Owen Hemsath
That’s what radiation did to my superior vena cava. And that’s the main vein that runs blood to the upper part of your your body, the superior vena cava. So I developed what’s called SBC syndrome and that resulted in blood clots everywhere. And I had no idea. So, you know, I’m sitting here thinking that I’m done with radiation, right?

00;12;23;19 – 00;12;48;25
Owen Hemsath
I thought I was done with that. I had this big scar on my chest, like crispy fried. The skin eventually heals, right? Like you don’t grow hair. It’s a big old scar. But what happened inside to the organs, into the to the blood veins, into the vessels like crispy fried bacon. So I’m getting blood clots everywhere. I’m I’m a YouTuber by trade.

00;12;48;25 – 00;13;05;10
Owen Hemsath
That’s what my business has been, is I coach YouTube channels and how to grow I it’s this weird he does what now you know what I mean like but that’s that’s my business. That’s all I’ve ever done. I went to school, studied media and videography. So I speak a lot around the country. I go to YouTuber conventions and I speak to them.

00;13;05;10 – 00;13;27;05
Owen Hemsath
I’m going to these conventions and I’m so tired. I’m just drained. And I’m like, okay, how do I get out of this? So I’m back on cold medicine again. Now I’m taking DayQuil just for the extra boost, right? Just like to get that that buzz going in. So now my veins, like I’m constantly fatigued and whatnot and I’m not sure what’s I can never catch up on my sleep.

00;13;28;29 – 00;14;01;22
Owen Hemsath
And then so like all of this is building up. So I go with my travel and I come home and I’m like, I’m going to sleep for like three days. I’m going to just like sleep it off. This is now. I mean, we’re getting to four years past cancer. Like, this is like a slow fade, right? Four years since Rady at my last radiation appointment and I woke up on the third day, swollen like everywhere, just fat face, fat arms like my.

00;14;01;22 – 00;14;19;28
Owen Hemsath
I could jiggle my arms and I could kind of see that, like, wow, that’s not right, you know? And super tired. That’s when we go to the hospital and they’re like, you’ve got like 19 blood clots. And I got my first angioplasty and that was where I had to clean out my blood. And like, they clean out all the blood clots.

00;14;19;28 – 00;14;41;22
Owen Hemsath
I came out of there feeling like a million bucks. I was clack in my heels, like, oh, my gosh, like, that’s all it took. I’ll get an angioplasty, whatever I need. One was kind of my attitude. I wasn’t even aware, Nathan, that, like, I was on this slow decline into my own death into stage four terminal, right? Like.

00;14;42;16 – 00;15;03;13
Nathan Crane
So I would call that a rapid decline, right? Like over a couple of years feels slow. But, you know, most people go through that over 20 or 30 years. And here you are in this accelerated experience, right? That’s just in a few years is declining so rapidly. I mean, yeah, I mean, it must have been incredibly scary as well.

00;15;04;01 – 00;15;33;14
Owen Hemsath
Yeah. You know, raised in a small family, too, you know, all all I ever wanted to be was a dad, you know, and I had these three great, four great kids. You know, I married my my my wife had a son and he became my, my, my first son. And then we had three together. So I’m raised in this young family, like we’ve got this cool YouTube career, you know, like people I’m kind of like an online, an influencer guy and are active in my church and and sort of a man about town.

00;15;33;14 – 00;15;56;01
Owen Hemsath
And then all of a sudden, you know, I’m I’m struck with this like you’re we’re going to die. And I had to come to reality with that is like I thought I was a good person like you get into this like it’s super ethereal, spiritual place where you’re like God, like Jesus. How, how did I go to church, Lord?

00;15;56;01 – 00;16;17;28
Owen Hemsath
Like I, I raised in a family faithful to my wife. I run an honest business like y y God, like I went through that. And as a man of faith, my faith has only grown more solid having gone through this experience because yeah, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil.

00;16;17;28 – 00;16;40;00
Owen Hemsath
I had to come to a place of that, though, Nathan. Like, I had to come to a place of like the doctors told me, I’m going to die, but God is telling me that I can live. Who do I trust? You know that that dynamic there was something that I, as a as a person of faith, like, had never experi sensed that type of who were you going to hold on to?

00;16;40;00 – 00;17;02;23
Owen Hemsath
Are you going to hold on to their system or are you going to trust? Right. And I decided to make that leap. And I did so because I had found that there were other survivors, that there were these stories of people that were getting through cancer. And I thought, you know what, if they can beat cancer, I can beat cancer, too.

00;17;02;23 – 00;17;25;06
Owen Hemsath
And so I had to really beat back that fear before I was able to take steps to try to heal myself. But I’ll say this too, like when cancer is not always made more comforting, when people know, right, people find out you have cancer. And I would get cards from people talk about being afraid. I was afraid enough as it was.

00;17;25;13 – 00;17;48;05
Owen Hemsath
Right. And then I get cards from people that are like just early funeral cards, essentially early obituaries, and they’re just like, let me tell you a story. Here’s a blog article from somebody who got cancer and remained a faithful Christian the whole time they had and they died of cancer. It’s like and how they honor God in their death.

00;17;48;05 – 00;18;13;24
Owen Hemsath
And it’s like man like, I want to honor God in my victory. Yeah. You know, and so it’s hard to get that. Like we have these well-intentioned dragons in our life, these people who love us and they want to comfort us. And so they say things like, you know, like these platitudes, but they there really isn’t a lot of you’ll make it through this because we all know in our lives people that have died from cancer, it’s most of them.

00;18;14;08 – 00;18;24;17
Owen Hemsath
And it’s like somebody, you know, in love gets cancer and you’re almost like, dang, you know what I mean? You don’t know what to say to them. So there was a lot of fear going through the process.

00;18;25;11 – 00;18;52;01
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I can imagine. I mean, and this is what I found out in the past decade plus in cancer research and education and interviewing hundreds of doctors and and cancer conquer as people have overcome cancer using, you know, natural holistic, integrative methods is that most people don’t understand cancer. Most people living today don’t know what cancer is, what causes it, not even the conventional oncologists are trained in what causes cancer.

00;18;52;01 – 00;19;11;19
Nathan Crane
And I look back on my own life and, you know, when I was a kid, the first experience I had with cancer was my best friend’s aunt who was, you know, not very healthy. I mean, she smoked and drank and ate bad and she, you know, didn’t have much money. So, I mean, I don’t think she was very I don’t think she ate good food at all.

00;19;12;10 – 00;19;33;28
Nathan Crane
Right. But she was but she was you know, I liked her as a person. I was really young. It was about eight or nine. But I remember, you know, enjoying being around her when the few times I did see her and, you know, she had energy, she had a she had a personality and then she has cancer. The next time we see her, she’s sick, she’s weak, she’s frail.

00;19;34;08 – 00;20;07;18
Nathan Crane
She lost all her hair and then she died. Yeah. And that’s what I was like. Okay, that’s cancer, right? I’m as a nine year old kid, she had experienced. That’s cancer. Fast forward, you know, 2005, 2000, 627. I commit myself to personal development, health, personal health, health, research, education, you know, and I’m down that path for eight years and teaching and teaching at retreats and getting invited to speak at events and doing a lot of research in natural health and spirituality and meditation and cleansing and detoxing and fasting.

00;20;07;18 – 00;20;25;25
Nathan Crane
And then my grampa was diagnosed with cancer. And I realize even up to that point, I thought I knew a lot these past eight years, right? Like, Oh, I know all this stuff about health and nutrition and but I still knew nothing about cancer. It was like that flashback of my best friends and, you know, dying. And then here I see my grandpa.

00;20;26;07 – 00;20;46;01
Nathan Crane
Same thing. Hair falling out, sickly weak, can barely go to the bathroom. And I’m sitting with him just going, I know there’s got to be something better you can be doing. And he had all the money to do the best treatments, chemotherapy, radiation, etc. He had leukemia. And yet I didn’t. Same thing. I was afraid. I didn’t know what to tell him.

00;20;46;01 – 00;21;26;07
Nathan Crane
I didn’t know anything about cancer. And then he passed away and I realized it was 2013. I realized how little we know about cancer and what causes it as a society and how much fear is around it. And and that just committed me to learn everything I possibly could about cancer and, you know, started interviewing the top integrative and functional medical doctors on the planet, you know, interviewing and meeting and going and filming and sitting for hours and hours and thousands of hours with these doctors and these cancer experts learning how they’re helping thousands of patients all around the world, you know, in the methods they’re doing and what causes the cancer they’re reading, you

00;21;26;07 – 00;21;49;07
Nathan Crane
know, you know, literally thousands of papers in the peer reviewed journals and start compiling like, oh, it starts to make sense. There are very specific causes of cancer and there are very specific things we can do to help our bodies avoid cancer, prevent cancer, and even help fight cancer. Even though you and I both know there’s no guarantee with conventional medicine, there’s no guarantee with, you know, a natural approach.

00;21;50;05 – 00;22;18;07
Nathan Crane
And I don’t want to dissuade anyone from, you know, their choice of conventional medicine if they want chemotherapy, radiation, surgery, do it like that’s that’s your choice. But be informed, right, of the odds of beating cancer with those particular methodologies. Be informed of the side effects and the symptoms that come with it, and then be informed of what your other options are, because there are other options, as you discovered in your own journey, that has actually led you to become cancer free.

00;22;18;17 – 00;22;29;27
Nathan Crane
So yeah, if you don’t mind talking about that, like what was you got home, you start, you know, you’re like, Hey, I’ve got to beat this thing. Yeah. And then what you did.

00;22;30;14 – 00;22;47;27
Owen Hemsath
And had no idea that it could be beat and what you said is just so valuable. If I could just, like, comment on that, you know, because we need more of you, right? It’s not that we don’t worry about cancer until we have it or somebody we know has it. And I think that that’s that’s a big problem.

00;22;47;27 – 00;23;14;05
Owen Hemsath
Like we need to live in the reality that you or someone you know and love closely will get cancer unless we start educating ourselves. It’s not it’s not an alien. It’s it’s not this foreign thing that came into your body and it’s not an uncontrollable gene that you inherited. And it’s like, I didn’t know those things before I began my my cancer journey and my journey was a slow one.

00;23;14;05 – 00;23;34;18
Owen Hemsath
So, you know what? What happened to me is that I had the and I think this is a blessing in disguise because I got diagnosed in Salt Lake City, Utah, and I got diagnosed with Die Momo, which is what 3% of all cancer patients diagnosed annually is. 3% is my mobile. Right. So it’s very, very small, even within the cancer community.

00;23;34;22 – 00;24;03;08
Owen Hemsath
And it’s a killer. Like it’s the thing that ends your life. So there’s not a lot of hope in themoment. I’ve had people tell me, Come on, man, like their mom was like a 15 year life expectancy and you’re whining and it’s like they the nonbelievers, they look at 15 years and they go, that’s not a killer. And it just kind of reminds us as a culture of the narrative that we believe surrounding cancer, that if we can get you to live five more years or if we can give you to live ten more years, that’s a victory.

00;24;03;08 – 00;24;28;14
Owen Hemsath
It’s not a victory. It’s a loss. Cancer is reversible. And I believe that cancer is beatable and treatable at any age and at any stage. And we talk about it’s not guaranteed. It’s not, but it’s certainly a high percentage. I think I myself am the guarantee. Right? Like when I learned what I needed to learn about cancer, I knew that I would hold myself to the standard needed to accomplish those things.

00;24;28;14 – 00;24;44;15
Owen Hemsath
And I was able to get cancer free in two years. So here’s how my journey went. Like same thing as before they diagnosed me and they go, Nothing’s going to cure you. You’re going to die of this. But we think you should do chemo anyway and we’re okay, you know.

00;24;44;15 – 00;25;13;15
Nathan Crane
So we started to anybody who hears that from a doctor, by the way, if it were me, what I would say is, you know, what? What percentage is it that this treatment you’re recommending is going to 100% cure my cancer? What’s the percentage? You know, and a lot of times you’ll be really surprised because they themselves either don’t know, because they haven’t done the research on it or that number may be very, very low.

00;25;13;15 – 00;25;31;02
Nathan Crane
And and even if your expectancy is five years, ten years, 15 years, if that’s your prognosis with whatever cancer, guess what that means? That means you have a little bit of time, actually quite a bit of time to have to figure things out and get other opinions and other solutions. Right.

00;25;31;02 – 00;25;55;07
Owen Hemsath
It’s so big, man. They told me two years, you have two years to live and that the chemo would improve my quality of life. And, you know, there’s a point at which you have to make this decision of like, is my quality of life actually improved? So, you know, I had decided to go ahead and do chemo, but while I was doing chemo, I was learning about cancer survivors.

00;25;55;07 – 00;26;19;17
Owen Hemsath
And that was my big thing is is other people have survived cancer. Who are they and what did they do? Right. So I immediately run into Jane McLellan and how to starve cancer. And she has she has this off label protocol, but she’s a cancer survivor, breast cancer survivor, and she has this off label drug protocol called the Care Oncology Clinic Protocol.

00;26;19;17 – 00;26;44;01
Owen Hemsath
So I begin to do that protocol, right? So now I’m like taking these fan benders, all or men benders all is what I’m taking. I’m taking metformin to reduce blood sugar and I’m not even exactly sure what I’m doing, but like I’m reading the book and I’m, I’m taking these steps, right, and building belief, right? Cancer survivors believe that they’ll survive.

00;26;44;21 – 00;26;54;20
Owen Hemsath
And I learned that in radical remission, radical remission is an audio book. You can get a physical book, too, but I recommend it on audio. It’s ten chapters. They interview.

00;26;54;20 – 00;26;55;23
Nathan Crane
Kelly Turner. Yeah.

00;26;56;27 – 00;27;25;13
Owen Hemsath
Yeah, exactly right. 1500 spontaneous remission survivors all throughout the world. And what did they do? It all boiled down. They all did the same nine things. Some of them did 11 things, some of them did 75 things. But there’s nine all of them had in common. So I’m listening to that while I’m in chemo therapy. Through that, I learned about plant based nutrition and I learned about fasting and fasting.

00;27;25;16 – 00;27;48;08
Owen Hemsath
Fasting, fasting. I’m fasting right now. I’m still a big faster. In fact, in the fasting circles that I’m in, it’s like intermittent fasting. It’s not even fasting anymore, man. That’s just like a regular day. But you know, I’m like an 18 six guy and I’ve done a seven day fast and a five day fast. So I’m learning about these things and three weeks out of the month.

00;27;48;08 – 00;28;09;21
Owen Hemsath
Nathan Man, I’m feeling great, bro. Like, I’m just like, Wow, I’m going to beat cancer. My myasthenia gravis symptoms went away almost immediately as I began a plant based diet. And I’m doing at the beginning I’m doing plant based Kito so it’s like plant based, no carbs, caloric restriction, a lot of fasting throughout the day and I’m having a miserable time.

00;28;09;28 – 00;28;23;15
Owen Hemsath
I want everyone to hear this throughout all of this. I’m miserable. I’m not like you. It’s a plant based diet and I’m fasting now. Like, yeah, that’s what I wanted for my life. No, no, no, no. I’m getting chemotherapy once a week for a month per month.

00;28;24;22 – 00;28;28;29
Nathan Crane
Once I got. So you did so on this second diagnosis, you did choose to do chemo? Yeah.

00;28;29;14 – 00;28;31;13
Owen Hemsath
I did. I did three cycles.

00;28;31;22 – 00;28;32;09
Nathan Crane
Three cycles.

00;28;32;10 – 00;29;11;09
Owen Hemsath
Of that. And during that time I’m reading and it’s a 15 minute drip. I’m not doing hours and hours of chemo. I’m doing a 15 minute drip of some new drug that cost me an arm and a leg right. And I’m reading these books and this is where I had my big aha moment, right? I had my big aha moment as I feel great three weeks out of the month and then I do chemotherapy and it’s like getting hit with a train, 15 minutes of chemotherapy and it’s like getting hit with a train and I had this big aha moment that I feel great when I’m not doing chemotherapy.

00;29;11;20 – 00;29;18;19
Owen Hemsath
The only time I feel bad is when I’m doing chemotherapy. And that’s when I made my decision to stop.

00;29;18;29 – 00;29;19;08
Owen Hemsath
Hmm.

00;29;19;26 – 00;29;54;01
Owen Hemsath
I never went back to chemotherapy again. After that, I switched. Well, I added an integrative doctor to my regime and I began to do plant based diet and a variety of modalities. We could talk about hyperbaric oxygen, chamber therapy, intravenous vitamin C, I’m doing poly MVA. I’m doing various different treatments to find that thing. Within 90 days of stopping chemotherapy and doing a plant based diet, I had shrunk my tumors by 30%.

00;29;54;01 – 00;29;57;27
Owen Hemsath
Total all across across the board.

00;29;58;12 – 00;29;58;21
Nathan Crane
Well.

00;29;59;00 – 00;30;17;07
Owen Hemsath
And for the rest of that year, my cancer continued to shrink until I did a seven day fast in November. And after I did the seven day fast, there was no more metabolic activity in my in my tumors. It was another year before I got cancer free, like a full on cancer free test.

00;30;17;19 – 00;30;19;22
Nathan Crane
Were you was that a water fast? Seven days?

00;30;20;15 – 00;30;22;29
Owen Hemsath
Yes. And I do water fasting all the time. Yeah.

00;30;22;29 – 00;30;25;00
Nathan Crane
I went to a. Oh go ahead finish.

00;30;25;24 – 00;30;48;13
Owen Hemsath
Yeah. I went to a clinic to do a seven day water fest because I wasn’t sure like I had done three day fast before. Right. And it’s like I could do a three day fast and I was fasting once. Like I still fast every Sunday night to Monday night. Right. That’s a 24 hour water fast. But it’s like I’m keep hearing that like cancer survivors, they do these long fasts and they come out no evidence of disease.

00;30;49;10 – 00;31;09;22
Owen Hemsath
So I’m like, what if I could do a water fast? And that became my mantra is like, Let me try this modality, let me try that modality. Let’s see how that makes me feel. That’s it. Can I even afford all these modalities? Right. So it’s like I’m doing B, vitamin C for a while and then I’m kind of like, now I’m an invest in a fasting camp.

00;31;09;22 – 00;31;31;10
Owen Hemsath
I couldn’t believe how affordable it was to go to a fasting clinic. And I’m in Amish country in Ohio, and it cost me the same as it would cost to go to a hotel. Right. Like very, very affordable to have a doctor watching over me, regular chiropractic checkups, which are it’s like it’s like a small adjustment and a massage.

00;31;31;10 – 00;31;53;21
Owen Hemsath
It was wonderful and it’s not glamorous. It’s like a little farmhouse in Ohio Amish country. You’re watching Amish people kind of like with in their carry carrying their buggies, you know, kind of go so peaceful. I did seven days there, plus a three day refitting. I came home and did an X-ray. I did an x ray before and an x ray after to prove, to see, like, would this work?

00;31;54;04 – 00;32;08;12
Owen Hemsath
And a clear and noticeable difference in tumor reduction. And it metabolic activity. They weren’t even lighting up anymore. I had the doctor at the hospital tell me I can’t even tell if this is cancer anymore.

00;32;10;06 – 00;32;38;14
Nathan Crane
That’s incredible. On the water fasting, there’s a ton of research on fasting itself also, you know, fasting before and after chemotherapy, for example, actually makes it significantly more effective. But even outside of chemotherapy, there’s I believe there’s some research out of Boston that has shown, you know, seven day water fasting can reduce your cancer risk by up to like around 70%.

00;32;39;01 – 00;33;02;08
Owen Hemsath
Yeah, massively. And it’s like every person. So even I’ve got four kids, my wife, like we we have we’re coaching them too fast, right? So it’s not, you know, they’re kids. But the idea is, is that fasting becomes like a regular thing we do for health. Not this weird thing Dad does to get better, right? It’s a thing we all do and will even reward them.

00;33;02;08 – 00;33;27;05
Owen Hemsath
It’s like we’ll go out to dinner tonight if you guys can can fast till, like till lunch, right? Like you wake up, you skip your breakfast. Water is fine, right? But you wait until lunch. Then we’ll go out and have a nice dinner. And this is just first of all, it’s easy for them to do. They don’t even think about it, but it creates a culture in them that they’ll always remember.

00;33;27;05 – 00;33;43;13
Owen Hemsath
Like, Yeah, eating wasn’t like our 24 seven awards ceremony. Like, it wasn’t like, we eat it. We try not to celebrate around foods. We try to actually eliminate food as a as a lifestyle and teaching that I think is very valuable.

00;33;43;24 – 00;34;13;14
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s awesome that you have your family involved in it with you. I mean, that’s, that’s, that’s key. You know, having a support system around you with your health and diet and lifestyle changes, whether it’s immediate family or a group that you become a part of healing strong is a great, you know, free network of local groups. People can find, you know, having that community support of like minded people who are implementing these diet changes and lifestyle changes needed to help empower the body to heal itself, which is what you did.

00;34;13;14 – 00;34;35;27
Nathan Crane
That’s what all of that does, right, is like our bodies want to heal, our bodies want to regenerate. They to thrive. That’s why we can throw so much shit at our bodies. Poison and toxins and chemicals and gases and cigarets and alcohol and stress. For decades before they finally break down and before we have a cancer diagnosis. Most cancers aren’t even diagnosable before ten years of growth.

00;34;36;07 – 00;34;58;06
Nathan Crane
That’s another thing people don’t realize, right? Kat We think of cancer subconsciously as something you get. My grandpa got cancer, he got cancer, she got gets cancer. But it’s not something you get as something you make. You know, a good friend of mine, Dr. Thomas Lahti, who’s in my documentaries, and I’ve known him for years and years, he he said it, you know, he says it perfectly.

00;34;58;13 – 00;35;27;20
Nathan Crane
He says, look, we don’t need to learn how to not get cancer. We need to learn how to stop making cancer because through our diet and lifestyle and choices and environment, we are making cancer in our bodies at a cellular level, creating that chronic cellular fermentation. But we can also stop that process or mitigate it or reduce it by, as you have just talked about, all of these things that that induce autophagy, which is what fasting does, right.

00;35;27;28 – 00;36;04;10
Nathan Crane
Cleaning up that cellular dead waste, cleaning up the damaged DNA, cleaning up the cancer cells, you know, creating, you know, creating healthy stressors in the body through hormones, right. Sauna, ice baths, cold therapies, antioxidant rich foods, all these things that are going to clean up, you know, and help improve the mitochondrial function. Because if we follow if we follow the mainstream, still, the current mainstream idea about what cancer is, which they believe it’s a genetic disease which makes no sense because even cancer dot gov says, you know, less than 95% of cancers hereditary.

00;36;04;10 – 00;36;36;02
Nathan Crane
So only about 5% of cancers hereditary, meaning that it’s something you inherit through your genetic your gene pool from your parents or grandparents. Great grandparents. Yet we still treat it like it’s this genetic disease, which it’s not. We know it’s not. We know through epigenetics that we can turn on and off these cells, these these genes. We know that through diet and lifestyle behaviors and by changing the environment in which the cells live in, in our blood, we can literally downregulate or upregulate tumor genes or antitumor genes, you know.

00;36;36;04 – 00;37;10;04
Nathan Crane
And so, you know, if we follow what the Nobel Prize winner in early 1900s had discovered about cancer, number one, realizing that it changes its fuel source primarily not not solely, but primarily to glucose. Right. Which is highly inefficient, but it changes from, you know, healthy cellular respiration to basically, you know, from a glycolysis station. Yeah. And basically turns of fermentation and then needs tons and tons of glucose for its fuel source.

00;37;10;17 – 00;37;47;28
Nathan Crane
But what was also interesting about the discovery was that it helped us realize that cancer is actually a metabolic disease. It is a disease of our metastable ism, and it’s a disease of dysfunction to the mitochondria of the cell, which then Thomas Seefried has done a lot of research on this, among other scientists and researchers, to discover, hey, this is actually damage to the mitochondria of the cell, which causes the cell to break down and chronically ferment to stay alive, have to basically try and save your life, but in the process slowly kills you.

00;37;48;09 – 00;37;57;29
Nathan Crane
And so then you get to that underlying question. You say, what actually is destroying our mitochondria? And when you get there, you basically get to the root cause of cancer.

00;37;58;28 – 00;38;06;14
Owen Hemsath
Oh, man. Like, I just love hearing you say these truths. I feel like I want to be, like, in church. I’ll be like, amen. Hallelujah.

00;38;07;07 – 00;38;08;13
Nathan Crane
Hallelujah. Brother.

00;38;09;05 – 00;38;30;17
Owen Hemsath
You’re. You’re saying things that made a major impact on my life. So, so I began sort of this journey. The first book I ever read was How to Starve Cancer. And then that book led me to radical remission, and then that book led me to Quito for cancer. And then that book led me to Dr. Nash’s book, The Terrain Theory of Cancer.

00;38;31;01 – 00;38;52;16
Owen Hemsath
Cancer as a Metabolic Disease. That led me to Dr. Thomas Savory, his book on cancer as a metabolic disease. But it’s like a medical book. And I’m like, I’m not going to finish that. So there was like this summary book that I bought. Best, best, best purchase I had made. So you open that book and it’s like summary of cancer as a metabolic disease.

00;38;52;16 – 00;39;22;03
Owen Hemsath
That’s the book and it’s the summary of his page. But it’s really when you open it, he gives you a link to a podcast. And so I listen to that podcast, and in that book he explains all these different studies they’ve done in in Egypt and, and in other nations because pharmaceutical laws and whatnot, like, you can’t do those kinds of tests here in the United States, like every person diagnosed with cancer must get chemotherapy according to like laws.

00;39;22;03 – 00;39;51;18
Owen Hemsath
So you can’t do, oh, we’re going to do this test on fasting on a cancer guy. It’s it’s an American citizen are cruel and inhumane. But when you and I think it’s really interesting that it’s like depriving someone of chemotherapy is actually considered cruel. I would argue that forcing chemotherapy is is more cruel and does more damage, especially when we look at the failure rate of chemotherapy across the globe and across individual cancer spectrums, generally like brain cancer.

00;39;51;18 – 00;39;56;27
Owen Hemsath
No way fasting is far more effective against brain cancers than is chemotherapy.

00;39;57;02 – 00;40;10;23
Nathan Crane
Well, on that point, the Hippocratic Oath is do no harm. And chemotherapy does harm. Right. It may help some people. It may help testicular cancer at high rates like 50%. But in other cases, it’s literally killing people as well.

00;40;11;08 – 00;40;32;20
Owen Hemsath
And lymphoma like I’ve seen I’ve seen lymphoma like incredible results. Like it’s you know, it’s a challenge for someone like me where I am a holistic guy. I don’t even want antibiotics. I need them. You know, I’m really like I’ve learned how to balance pharmaceuticals in my life, right? I no longer take cold and flu medicine. Right? Even if I am look, I never get sick anymore, Nathan.

00;40;32;20 – 00;40;55;20
Owen Hemsath
Like, I haven’t been sick since I first got sick, you know, ever since I began my journey into natural wellness and first emptied my pantries of anything boxed, you know, processed. I used to bake with the kids and granulated sugar and all these white flowers in the house for sugar cookies. And when we got rid of all that and you know what we found?

00;40;55;28 – 00;41;15;00
Owen Hemsath
We found new items to cook. Like now I cook veggie bakes with my kids and we show them how to grow sweet potatoes like we started a garden. But ever since I made that decision to go holistic, my entire life has been better. And we’ve been on this journey of healing, not just internally on the insides and getting a cancer free result.

00;41;15;00 – 00;41;38;02
Owen Hemsath
Remember, it took me two years to get a cancer free result, but I’ve also had to go deep inside and look at why my body made cancer and why is it ultimately that my brain was sending these signals to to keep growing right. Or to keep deforming right? My Control was a part of that, but there was also like a trauma connection to that.

00;41;38;02 – 00;42;00;21
Owen Hemsath
And I had to kind of like deal with some of the stressors in my life that I had been holding on to since I was a child. And that’s that’s something that really surprised me. Like there’s the A questionnaire, right? The Adverse Childhood Experience questionnaire. I heard Dr. Nisha Winters talking about this on a podcast. I immediately looked at it up and found out that I’m a six of ten, which means that I’m 60% more likely based on my childhood to have cancer.

00;42;01;03 – 00;42;25;29
Owen Hemsath
And all of a sudden that led me to what ultimately led to my remission, which is dealing with the cancer from the inside out. But before I go into that, I want to talk about like those those physical things that we did. Is Dr. Seyfried’s book said this. He said, People who use ketosis and metabolic therapies to reverse cancer get healthier as they get better.

00;42;26;16 – 00;42;47;09
Owen Hemsath
And that was 100% my experience. Right? I was committed to keto and I still am committed to aikido. Like I believe in balance between ketosis and a plant based juicing diet. Today, I’m a big juicer. I’m a big broth guy. I drink, you know, bone broth and I drink a of juice, even still now that I’m cancer free because I feel better.

00;42;47;22 – 00;43;13;15
Owen Hemsath
But during cancer I was doing like a lot of ketosis and fasting and then I would replenish with juices and some fruits and vegetables. And I do this thing called flexing and that is ultimately what pounded my, my, my cancer into, into submission. But I began to do these treatments where I was feeling better, feeling healthier than people who don’t have cancer, even though it’s kind of like you probably do.

00;43;13;16 – 00;43;22;00
Owen Hemsath
You just don’t know it yet. But I’m like, I’m healthier than most of these people, you know, and I’m fighting cancer. I’m going into my doctor’s.

00;43;22;00 – 00;43;22;15
Owen Hemsath
Office.

00;43;23;06 – 00;43;47;12
Owen Hemsath
And my blood tests are better, everything’s better. And she’s seeing the tumor size shrink. She knows I’m not doing chemotherapy and it makes her so mad. And she goes, She never once acknowledged that my tumors had shrunk. Never once said, congratulations. Never once said your tumors have shrunk. She only would say, I saw the X-rays or I saw the results.

00;43;47;12 – 00;44;08;09
Owen Hemsath
She never would say, Great job in fact, there was one day where I went in as proud as as as proud as you could be. You know what I mean? It’s like, you know, I’m healthy, I got color in my face. I’m a little orange from the carrot juice, but I knew that my test results were good, and I knew that my tumors had shrunk again.

00;44;08;09 – 00;44;36;26
Owen Hemsath
And I knew that I wasn’t doing chemotherapy. So I thought I was going to go in there and she’s going to be like, Congrats, Owen. And she sat me down and she she looked at me and she took her glasses off and she said, I, I want you to remember that you are going to die from this. And it was in that moment that I knew for for a fact now that this doctor was no longer going to be a part of my medical team.

00;44;37;17 – 00;44;56;27
Owen Hemsath
And that was the last day that I went to that oncologist. If she doesn’t believe that I can heal, what is she doing on my team? And so I had to go through some, you know, bells and whistles, like, to get her to stop calling me. It’s like set your next appointment. Set your next appointment. And I just we just said, hey, we are going to live out the rest of our days.

00;44;57;00 – 00;45;15;08
Owen Hemsath
We adopted her language to get them to stop emailing us. Right. Hey, come back, come back, come back. Like you need another appointment. You need another appointment, right? And it’s like we’ve decided to just live out the rest of our days in peace. It’s kind of what we said. And they left us alone after that. And so that we’ve been doctor free.

00;45;15;08 – 00;45;38;23
Owen Hemsath
I have an integrated medical team that I work with. I have counselors like advisors that I hire from time to time, but largely I’m still eating a 90% plant based diet. I’m exercising, I’m doing sauna. I hate cold plunging, dude, but but I will do it. And I have done it. And I have doctors that will tell me, Oh, you need a cold plunge again.

00;45;39;01 – 00;45;50;10
Owen Hemsath
So, you know, we’re in living a metabolically healthy life. And I do not fear that cancer will come back because I have eliminated cancer from the source.

00;45;50;10 – 00;46;16;24
Nathan Crane
That’s epic. And I mean, congrats to you for for listening to your own inner voice, your intuition, your, you know, guidance from a higher power, right? Like for actually taking the steps necessary to heal. That’s one of the hardest part. When I talk to cancer clients and patients who’ve been, you know, through everything you’ve been through, they’ve been dealing with this for for many, many years and so many challenges, just like you said early on.

00;46;16;24 – 00;46;38;25
Nathan Crane
And there’s a lot of research that supports this is, you know, the can the people who overcome cancer mode more often than not have that belief that, I’m going to beat this, I’m going to do what it takes to beat this. I believe in myself that I will find a way to do it. And that’s so critical. But it’s also hard when you’re, you know, this fear is put in to you and you’re told you’re going to die.

00;46;39;01 – 00;47;04;04
Nathan Crane
There’s nothing you can do other than just do this therapy that we tell you. It might work. It might not, you know, and there’s just so much fear and uncertainty and and all of that. And I’m reminded of Bernie SIEGEL. Dr. Bernie SIEGEL, who, you know, we just gave a lifetime achievement award to him through our nonprofit, the Belgian Ski Foundation, for his incredible work, decades of working with, you know, helping inspire millions of people dealing with cancer.

00;47;04;04 – 00;47;23;06
Nathan Crane
And I love his stories, man. He’s such a funny storyteller. And he tells me this one story where he has this patient that basically, you know, they say the doctors tell him that, yeah, there’s nothing we can do for you and, you know, just go home to die. And, you know, he goes he goes home and he actually goes home and lives his life.

00;47;23;19 – 00;47;45;16
Nathan Crane
And it was it was like stage four. It was like, you know, he had I don’t know, the prognosis was maybe like 30 days or something like that. And he shows up in Bernie’s office years later and and his Bernie’s assistant tells him, hey, you know, so-and-so is here to see you. But he’s like, no, I didn’t the no way that guy is dead.

00;47;45;16 – 00;47;48;02
Nathan Crane
There’s no way he’s here. You know, this is like six, seven, eight.

00;47;48;02 – 00;47;48;22
Owen Hemsath
Yeah, yeah.

00;47;49;19 – 00;48;09;05
Nathan Crane
And he comes in and he goes, What are you doing here? You’re supposed to be dead. You know, he’s joking with him and he goes, You know, what do you do? He goes, Well, I went home and and I decided to just start living. I started gardening and started doing things that I wanted to do, start enjoying life, spending out times, you know, more, more time outside.

00;48;09;05 – 00;48;25;21
Nathan Crane
Just started living the life that he had not really lived up to that point and forgot to die. He said, You know, I just went home and I forgot today, you know, and here he is. And that was I think a big part of that was there was that shift in him that said it was the acceptance, but it was the not giving up.

00;48;25;24 – 00;48;56;18
Nathan Crane
It was having hope and it was just deciding, like you said, you know, dealing with the emotional traumas, people who do that consciously have greater success overall in dealing with any chronic disease than people who do not focus on healing emotional traumas. Now, that may happen kind of subconsciously by engaging nature and growing a garden and having more time meditating and stopping doing the things that stress you out, the job that you hate, the relationship that’s traumatizing to the work that brings, you know, meaning in life.

00;48;56;18 – 00;49;16;06
Nathan Crane
Right? And you just stop doing those things that are causing the stress and causing the downregulation of the immune system. And you start doing the things that bring you joy and happiness, maybe deeper spiritual connection, deeper connection to the earth, to the natural world, to the natural foods. And all of a sudden, you know, you start to have these awakening experience.

00;49;16;06 – 00;49;39;08
Nathan Crane
This is where you you may go into forgiveness, forgiveness of yourself, forgiveness of others that have done you harm. You know, you can do this consciously, which is an even more effective, but sometimes it happens just subconsciously because you set that environment for yourself for that healing to happen. Either way, we know through the ACS study that you talked about, which was actually done by Kaiser Permanente in the nineties.

00;49;39;19 – 00;50;01;12
Nathan Crane
Right. It did a lot of work on this and have taught on this for years. Is that the people who do go on to, you know, end up healing these emotional traumas and healing these childhood adverse events. Right. I was I was homeless at 15, addicted to drugs and alcohol, kicked out of my home in and out of jail, watched people die in front of me.

00;50;01;12 – 00;50;08;11
Nathan Crane
Right. Like every ace, you can basically have alcoholism in the family, drug addiction in the family abuse, you name it. Right.

00;50;08;21 – 00;50;09;13
Owen Hemsath
So things, you know.

00;50;09;24 – 00;50;40;26
Nathan Crane
20 year reduction in life expectancy, if you have three or more aces. But what they don’t really study and what they don’t go into, which is what a lot of the you know, some of the newer research has come out with, which is really exciting, which is what happens when you heal these emotional traumas, what happens when you live a happy life, when you find work that gives you meaning, when you are, you know, provides service to others through, you know, whether it’s through your church or through, you know, donations or helping out others.

00;50;41;05 – 00;51;07;29
Nathan Crane
When you find meaning and purpose in your life, when you change your health and you heal, how much can you extend your life span? How how much can you improve your quality of life? You know, we don’t know the exact numbers of that, but we do have some studies from Harvard that go all the way back to like I think 1800s through 1900s until modern day that the people, even the poorest people with basically no access to healthy food and living on the streets, but they live a happy life.

00;51;07;29 – 00;51;38;05
Nathan Crane
They live significant significantly longer than the people who live a stressed out life. Right. We have lots of studies like that. So we know how important that is and it’s awesome to hear you talk about it because, yes, sun is important. Cold plunge is important. You know, plant based diets important fasting, all that stuff. But if you don’t heal the underlying emotional traumas and stress and fear and depression in your life, you know, I really think that that’s 80% of it and a 20% is everything else.

00;51;38;05 – 00;51;39;09
Nathan Crane
You know, that’s my opinion.

00;51;39;09 – 00;52;02;16
Owen Hemsath
But I agree in a lot of ways because like you said, it’s hard to measure because they’re not going to measure it. Right. Like the pharmaceutical companies are now going to go measure the effectiveness of Indole three carbon oil on your cancer cells because you can grow broccoli in your backyard, you can make broccoli sprouts every day that have a powerful punch up and all three carbon, all without them making any money.

00;52;02;16 – 00;52;18;26
Owen Hemsath
So we’re like, because I hear this a lot, it’s like, Well, where are the studies on that? And it’s just like, Well, where are the studies on eating cheese? It’s everyday people. Like, you didn’t need a study to tell you to eat cheese. It’s every day, right? But all of a sudden I need a study to say that drinking carrot juice is is going to reverse my cancer.

00;52;18;26 – 00;52;44;26
Owen Hemsath
Like there’s there’s a lack of studies because they’re not interested in you knowing this truth. They want you on pharmaceuticals. They want you you in the chemotherapy world, taking their medicines, paying them money. And and here’s my proof is that I walked through that hospital on my last day there. I walked through the chemotherapy and I took pictures of all the little refrigerator stores that had Mountain Dew and Coca-Cola.

00;52;44;27 – 00;53;04;29
Owen Hemsath
And there’s a little donut stand in the chemotherapy ward. And they actually feel like this is being they they won awards for their kindness. It’s like, look at how kind we are. We offer donuts to our chemotherapy patients. It’s like you’re actually giving them the thing which causes their cancer to grow. And then giving them the medicine to to kill it.

00;53;04;29 – 00;53;28;00
Owen Hemsath
And it’s it’s such a scam, but getting through that scam is hard, right? I had to set little goals for myself because I am sort of an entrepreneur. I’ve always been an entrepreneur and like, I know that it’s like, okay, I set goals in my life and I can achieve them. And so my first goal was to have a positive attitude.

00;53;28;00 – 00;53;50;03
Owen Hemsath
Like it wasn’t to beat cancer. It was like, I’m just going to have a positive attitude about this, right? And that was the hardest part of it. And then the second part of it was, I’m I’m going to make it ten years. And so now I’m attributing like a success parameter to it. After about three months, four months, my goals became grandiose and it’s like, I’m going to totally reverse this cancer.

00;53;50;03 – 00;54;11;17
Owen Hemsath
So it took me about, you know, five, say 5 to 6 months to really I’m going to beat this cancer and there will be a day that I get cancer free, right? So now I’m doing affirmations and I’ve never done this before where I’m actually telling my brain what to believe about myself. And I would sit in my sauna.

00;54;11;17 – 00;54;32;05
Owen Hemsath
I have a sauna that I bought from Amazon and I, I write on the, on a glass door or in dry erase marker. And I’m writing out my, my belief system and sometimes their sentences I make up. Other times they’re Bible verses and I’m just like, whatever. And I’ve gone through these various stages of what is my affirmation right now, you know?

00;54;32;20 – 00;55;02;23
Owen Hemsath
And in the beginning it was my body will heal. My body heals from cancer. I am worth fighting for. Life is worth fighting for. My kids are worth fighting for. I had the affirmation of plants and vegetable foods are delicious because they bring health to my body. That is how I got all these, you know, gross foods into me.

00;55;04;06 – 00;55;21;09
Owen Hemsath
At first, it’s like spinach again, you know, kale again. And it’s like you’re kind of eating it. Like, I guess it’s falling out of your mouth as you’re eating it, you know, because you don’t really want to eat it. And so I started to reprogram my mind into into know this, this is delicious food and it’s strengthening my body.

00;55;21;09 – 00;55;55;15
Owen Hemsath
And it’s like through this process of daily affirmations that changed over time. After a while, I got to this place in my cancer journey where I was stable, stable, stable, dude. And it’s like, I am so tired of being stable. I want cancer free, right? I want A.D., right. It was like these various levels of test results I wanted, and that’s when my affirmations changed a little bit because I knew I had to go beyond just kale or just broccoli and I had to go somewhere else.

00;55;55;15 – 00;56;18;27
Owen Hemsath
And that’s when I began to heal the emotional trauma. And here’s here’s what I learned. Number one is my childhood was similar to your childhood, and my my teens and twenties weren’t much better. Right? I’m kind of dressed right now. I’m kind of dressed like a like a like a like a robber from the twenties right now. But like kind of had a crime life for that, you know, until I was about 24 and 24, I was like, I don’t want to I don’t go to jail anymore.

00;56;18;27 – 00;56;47;09
Owen Hemsath
Right. But here’s the other thing is I’m a YouTuber and I was living this real competitive YouTube life. Right. Like, if I don’t get 100,000 views on my next video, you know, I’m worthless. I’m not as big as him. I watched so much jealousy and bitterness crawling like I had to get conscious of. That is like, wow, I’m like, really holding on to some, like, angry, bitter things.

00;56;47;09 – 00;57;09;25
Owen Hemsath
And I had to work through those. I actually got a therapist and I found a great therapist who only works with cancer patients. And so her whole thing is untangling the, the, the trauma. And she wrote a book called Braving the Storm really helped me get started. And once I began to heal that emotional trauma, I had vegetables, vegetables, vegetables.

00;57;10;00 – 00;57;25;07
Owen Hemsath
And I plateaued. But then I got into emotional trauma and I’m now sitting with a therapist and like unpacking some some stuff crying, you know, like, it’s not me. I’m not really a crier, but I’m sitting here just like, you know.

00;57;25;16 – 00;57;25;27
Owen Hemsath
You know.

00;57;26;08 – 00;57;51;25
Owen Hemsath
Going through this whole experience. It felt like years of weight had been released from my heart. And it was three months after I. I had this weight lifted off my chest, experienced that I got my first cancer free test result. And it was a surprise to me. I had decided not to do any more tests. I’m done with tests.

00;57;52;11 – 00;58;08;15
Owen Hemsath
No, no tests can decide my future. I’m about two years out of diagnosis at this point, so it’s been two years. I’m healthier than I’ve ever been. I feel emotionally healthy. My wife’s like, You should still get a test every year. You should still get a test every year. And I had our tests. I scare you. They use that, too.

00;58;09;05 – 00;58;43;16
Owen Hemsath
So she talks to my doctor, she goes, slip in a test, you know, like have him take a blood test and slip in a test. So he took the gallery test, which is the stem cell test. And I got a call on a Thursday morning, 9:00. He says, Hey, make sure you’re at your appointment today. So I log into my virtual appointment with them and on the screen when I logged in was big and bold, no cancer signal detected and I owe a lot of that to the emotional healing that I went through.

00;58;43;16 – 00;59;05;19
Owen Hemsath
And I’m so grateful that people like you, that people like Doctor Nature, that people like Meg and and Dr. Harmon, like Dr. Lodi, Thomas Seyfried, these guys are giants and they’re putting everything at risk to share what’s true about cancer and what’s true about the human body. And the human body beats cancer. It beats cancer every single day.

00;59;05;27 – 00;59;22;24
Owen Hemsath
You just have to give it the fuel to beat cancer. And for some of us, it’s going to be in a plant based diet. For some of us, it’s going to be in ketosis for some of us, and it’s going to be a balance of the two. Maybe it’s going to be intravenous vitamin C or hyperbaric chamber therapies, maybe a small combination of all of it.

00;59;23;13 – 00;59;43;03
Owen Hemsath
My doctor told me massive action gets massive results. So here’s what I want everyone to know is if you or someone you know is diagnosed with cancer, they there is hope. This is the beginning of a new life for them, not the end of their old life. Diagnosed with cancer. Awesome. You know what that means? It means it’s time for us to engage in some healing.

00;59;43;03 – 01;00;16;28
Owen Hemsath
Now it’s time for us to get into this best life now. Right? And too, the road to healing is not easier than chemotherapy. Right? I think chemo’s easy. You get to just show up and they do everything. It’s going to be hard to heal naturally. It’s going to be hard to go through chemo. Pick your heart. I know at the end of the day, for me, going the hard route of plant based medicine has put me into a place where not only am I healthier and stronger than I’ve ever been, I don’t take any pharmaceutical drugs.

01;00;17;20 – 01;00;36;10
Owen Hemsath
I take a whole lot of supplements. I work out, I’m healthy, I’m more energetic than my kids are. I’m living a great life that I’m so excited about. And, you know, Nathan, maybe one day I’ll be the biggest YouTuber on the planet. Maybe I won’t be. But you know what? I wake up every day happy to get to do the work I get to do in a country that I love.

01;00;36;10 – 01;00;55;22
Owen Hemsath
And I don’t worry about cancer coming back ever. And if it did, I know how to beat it. So cancer’s beatable and treatable. And, you know, at first it seems daunting, but you just you just keep learning. And as you keep learning, the results are exponential.

01;00;55;22 – 01;01;21;04
Nathan Crane
That’s so huge. You know, you made me think of a few things that that you shared that I think are big takeaways for people. Number one is education, right? You didn’t know anything about cancer when you were diagnosed? I didn’t know anything about cancer. You know, in 2013, when my grandpa passed away from from the treatments he was receiving and I dove headfirst into learning everything I possibly could about cancer.

01;01;21;04 – 01;01;45;25
Nathan Crane
Right. And you, through your own cancer healing journey, dove into learning everything you could about beating cancer. And so education is key. It’s it’s learning. It’s watching more podcasts like this. It’s reading the books that you’ve talked about. It’s learning from functional medics, medicine doctors, you know, learning from people who have actually beaten cancer, whether they are the holistic doctors or they are the cancer conquerors.

01;01;45;25 – 01;02;09;19
Nathan Crane
Right? I’ve done documentary series and documentaries and summits. We’ve interviewed hundreds of these amazing people. That’s why when you talk about hope, I love it because there is always hope. Dr. Francisco Contreras said it best in my documentary years ago. He said There is no such thing as false hope. Doc. People are saying doctors are telling families, don’t give them hope.

01;02;09;29 – 01;02;33;17
Nathan Crane
You know, they have nine months left to live. Don’t give them hope. It’s false hope. There’s no such thing as false hope because hope it may not take you to the end. It may not get you to being cancer free by itself. But it’s that first spark that you need to then get that positive mental attitude, to get that positive mindset, to then seek the solutions, to then keep going.

01;02;33;17 – 01;02;57;25
Nathan Crane
Because without any hope, you are lost, right? You’re lost in a quagmire of disbelief and self-doubt and fear. Yeah. And so we need that hope and it’s and it’s massive when you’re fighting something like cancer. The other thing I want to share was I love that you do affirmations. You’ve done affirmations and you credit affirmations as a part of your own healing.

01;02;58;03 – 01;03;17;11
Nathan Crane
So in my bestselling book, Becoming Cancer Free, which is a lot of the, you know, research, the last ten years that I’ve done in interviews, I’ve done, you know, condensed into like a six step system that guides people through this cancer healing process. In the first step, it’s about activating your own innate healer, that’s what I call it.

01;03;17;11 – 01;03;38;01
Nathan Crane
And there are three affirmations that I have. People literally write on their on their mirror for you. You write these on your, you know, the glass inside your sauna, which is awesome. That’s even better if you have a sign at home with glass on it. But the three affirmations that I have people learn to embody are actually similar to some of the ones you were telling yourself.

01;03;38;01 – 01;03;57;07
Nathan Crane
And I’ll read them for people because I think I’ve heard from so many of the clients we work with that we coach cancer clients that, you know, these affirmations have actually helped them tremendously. And the first one is I am becoming my own healer. I am responsible for my health. So we have to see that again. I am becoming my own healer.

01;03;57;07 – 01;04;18;03
Nathan Crane
I am responsible for my health because you have to take that responsibility. Right. Number two is I will be patient. I know true healing takes time, knowledge and action. So it’s sometimes we want things to happen overnight, right? It’s like, I want this gone tomorrow, but we need patience, we need knowledge and we need action. And the number three is, I will never give up.

01;04;18;13 – 01;04;42;19
Nathan Crane
I will persevere until I heal, learning, improving and growing as I go. And that’s that perseverance mindset you talked about as well. It’s like a committed myself to becoming cancer free. I’m going to do this I’m not going to give up. I’m going to find the solution in that is a psychological framework that if you can embody that, you will be significantly more empowered to actually overcome this disease.

01;04;43;02 – 01;05;09;02
Owen Hemsath
Yeah. Yeah. It’s so good, man. You know, people don’t believe they’re going to survive and so they don’t take the actions of a survivor. And I had to kind of come to grips with my own daily habits, right. In like, are my daily habits going to lead me to a result I want or to wait to what I don’t want?

01;05;09;02 – 01;05;30;22
Owen Hemsath
And I feel like this was a really hard thing for me to do because I have an ego, right? I’ve achieved some things in my life and I’m not used to people commanding me and like telling me what’s going to happen, right? Like I’m there. And yet when it came to cancer, I’m letting the doctors tell me that I’m going to die like I I’m letting them tell me I need to do chemo.

01;05;30;22 – 01;05;51;03
Owen Hemsath
And that was a big reason that like, wait a minute, this is not me, right? I, I need to kind of take responsibility over my health. You know, in the beginning, my wife was doing the phone interviews with me or excuse me instead of me, like, I was so afraid, the cancer and afraid of more bad news. Right?

01;05;51;03 – 01;06;08;22
Owen Hemsath
It’s like in the beginning it was like we found cancer all over your body. And then it’s we cancer and it’s terminal, and then it would be cancer behind your heart. And then it’s like the one behind your heart is like it’s terminal on its own, you know what I mean? It was like the news kept getting like worse and worse and worse and worse.

01;06;08;22 – 01;06;27;06
Owen Hemsath
So I stopped going to the doctor calls and I just kind of like sat on the couch during that time. That’s when I was in a radical remission and it was like cancer survivors take control of their health and they’re active and they go to these appointments. And, you know, I had that was like a that was a wakeup moment for me as well.

01;06;27;06 – 01;06;46;24
Owen Hemsath
Like, I’m going to get up and I’m going to live my life as if I’m going to live every day. Right? I’m going to trick my brain into believing that I’m going to survive this. As I began to trick my brain and I got up and I shaved and I put clothes on, you know, all of a sudden it was like, I can do this.

01;06;47;05 – 01;07;09;29
Owen Hemsath
I can get out of this. Oh, wait a minute. I just read about Indole three carbon all I just read about fasting. Oh, my gosh. Wait a minute. And then one day I woke up and it was like, I’m a cancer survivor, and I hadn’t even you know, it’s like I won the war before the cancer was actually dead.

01;07;09;29 – 01;07;28;24
Owen Hemsath
So that mental game is huge. And it’s hard. It’s hard when your friends and family are all giving you farewell cards or they give you that look at church. Like my my wife would tell me that there’s a woman at church that never will say hi to her, will always do this when she sees her like gives her that like that winced.

01;07;28;24 – 01;07;46;15
Owen Hemsath
Like, I’m so sorry, honey. You know your husband, but it would never come and talk to us. We would never come and say anything. Just always that. And it’s like, that’s how people look at you. It’s like dead man walking, right? That’s because in their experience, cancer people do die. So you have to be willing to be that symbol of life for them.

01;07;46;15 – 01;08;07;03
Owen Hemsath
And that’s that’s what I did is like I’m going to show them that cancer patients can thrive. And when I learned this term cancer thriver, I never heard that term before. And I’m like, that’s who I am. I’m a cancer thriver and that’s what I want to be for other people. It’s like, you know, when I started, my career was like, I want to be a, you know, YouTuber, right?

01;08;07;03 – 01;08;22;13
Owen Hemsath
And I achieved that to some degree. But now it’s like, I want to be that cancer hero. Like, I want people to know. And I don’t care if it brings me riches or wealth. It’s just like, I want you to know that you can make it through it. And that’s that’s something that’s why I’m on the podcast today.

01;08;22;13 – 01;08;26;05
Owen Hemsath
It’s like I want people to know that it’s there’s absolutely an exit plan.

01;08;26;05 – 01;08;45;19
Nathan Crane
Your cancer is so powerful. You are a true inspiration to people. And I appreciate you coming on and sharing your story. I know we’ve only got a few minutes left. A couple of things I wanted to or one thing maybe we can kind of end on this I was thinking about is, you know, you said it took you two years to basically become cancer free.

01;08;45;19 – 01;09;09;03
Nathan Crane
I know. At least my my sense is from hearing you talk that that felt like a long time, right? Yeah. And I know I know people who’ve actually reversed cancer in in three months using a natural approach. But two but even three months to two years is three months is incredibly short. Two years is actually very short time.

01;09;09;25 – 01;09;29;01
Nathan Crane
A lot of the people that I know and I’ve met and I’ve interviewed over the years who’ve reverse cancer using a holistic approach, sometimes it takes them five years, ten years. But what’s amazing about so telling people like there is no time frame or time limit or like it, you know, it could happen quickly. It could take a long time.

01;09;29;01 – 01;09;53;24
Nathan Crane
It could never go away. And that’s the reality, is that, you know, your cancer may stick with you the rest of your life, but that doesn’t mean your symptoms and your pain and and troubles from it necessarily going to stick with you. And in some cases they will. You know, that’s when surgery may be beneficial for someone. Let’s say you have a softball sized tumor in your colon.

01;09;53;24 – 01;10;16;04
Nathan Crane
It’s, you know, preventing you from being able to actually, you know, defecate. Like what? Yeah. You probably want that removed before you die. You know what I mean? Like, there are times where things like that can be incredibly helpful. But most cancers, this is something I learned along the way that I didn’t know before and most people don’t know this, is that most cancers actually have very few, if any, symptoms.

01;10;16;20 – 01;10;36;12
Nathan Crane
And if you actually go look up cancer symptomology, there is no set symptomology. For most cancers. It’s a a general random array of different symptoms. I’m saying most cancers most of the time from stage one to stage three. Now they get stage four or tumors grow significantly or they’re pressing up against a brain stem or something like that.

01;10;36;14 – 01;11;00;18
Nathan Crane
This is different, right? Or, you know, it’s on your lungs and it’s impacting your ability to actually breathe deeply. That’s different. But again, generally speaking, most cancers most of the time have very few, if any, symptoms. And it may range from something like brain fog to fatigue to, you know, some joint pain. There’s just a random array of different symptoms.

01;11;00;18 – 01;11;31;14
Nathan Crane
But if you can get that under control and you can actually stop your cancer from progressing, number one, that’s success already, right? Yeah, stop it from progressing. That’s already number two. If you can actually start to regress it, that’s huge, massive success. And then number three, if you can improve your quality life while adding more years to your life, actual quality of life, you feel better, your immune system is better, you have more energy, you think better, you sleep better, right?

01;11;31;14 – 01;11;51;14
Nathan Crane
Like actually improve quality of life and extend length of your life. Now you’re like mega success. And at the end of the day, if your cancer actually finally completely goes, which is a very, very, very small percentage of people, but totally possible, just as you said and just as you’ve done then you’ve done the mega, mega, mega, mega success.

01;11;51;14 – 01;12;12;12
Nathan Crane
But that take years to get to that point. But along the way, you look at the kind of person you become, right? The kind of person you’ve become. Most people who have who are at this stage even ten years living with a cancer diagnosis, cancer didn’t go away. But they said cancer saved my life. And I say, how to save your life is that it made me a better wife.

01;12;12;12 – 01;12;39;00
Nathan Crane
It made me a better mother to my kids that I stopped doing that. I quit that job that I hated that was causing oh, I started meditating. I started eating healthier. I started son, I started exercising. Now I feel better than I’ve ever felt in my life. And cancer actually has become a blessing instead of a curse. And so, you know, that’s that’s something somebody going through a diagnosis right now, I can, you know, start to reframe your mindset around as well.

01;12;39;08 – 01;13;08;16
Owen Hemsath
It’s hard to feel guided for. Right? I remember saying, I will never say that cancer was a blessing. Right. And and I had deeply spiritual beliefs associated. It was like cancer is is because there’s a world we live in, a broken world. I’m never going to thank God for this broken thing. And and, you know, my my mindset flipped later on because I saw how God in me used cancer to make me a better husband.

01;13;09;13 – 01;13;41;13
Owen Hemsath
It made me a better man because now I’m a man who’s like I, you know, I was really there’s a lot of, like, self-doubt, self-hate, you know what I mean? And it’s like no, I came to find myself as my life is valuable and it’s worth saving. And I am a good friend and I, I do have talents and it’s like I do want to share this with the community and and I did come to a place where, where I became grateful for cancer because I look back at who I was, you know, you know, like I was drinking more than I should be drinking before cancer.

01;13;42;02 – 01;13;54;18
Owen Hemsath
And today I barely drink. I might have wine on a special occasion, but I just, you know, for me, it’s like I just. I did it already. I don’t want it to go back to. I don’t need it. I gave me some carrot juice, man.

01;13;55;10 – 01;13;55;19
Nathan Crane
Right.

01;13;56;02 – 01;14;12;13
Owen Hemsath
I mean, like, that’s that’s what I’m like. I don’t want to be grumblings in my tumbler. I want to feel good. And often I feel like I never felt good before. Like in my thirties, I just didn’t feel good. I was always kind of sick and it’s like I feel vibrant and healthy almost every day. And I, I love that part of it.

01;14;13;07 – 01;14;35;03
Owen Hemsath
I did, you know, set goals for myself and at first it was like, stop cancer growth. And it was just like you said, it stopped the growth and then it was like stabilize, right? Can you stop the growth for a second round of tests like every three months? And then it was reverse growth. And then when we saw reverse growth, like that was like, wow, we’re doing it.

01;14;36;00 – 01;14;48;25
Owen Hemsath
But in between that there was, there was hiccups along the way. Like I would get a good scan and then I’d get a not so good scan and and then, you know, you shouldn’t get scanned more than twice a year.

01;14;49;05 – 01;15;15;24
Nathan Crane
Right. And there’s reasons for that. When you’re killing the tumor cells, you’re you actually can as they’re dying off, you can actually have higher tumor markers. And you may be led to believe that, oh, my cancer’s spreading, what I’m doing is wrong. But in fact, you may not really know unless you’re working with a good functional medicine, you know, so true integrative oncologist that like, oh, actually, no, this is a very normal process of the cancer healing process.

01;15;15;24 – 01;15;16;20
Nathan Crane
But anyway.

01;15;16;26 – 01;15;38;29
Owen Hemsath
I have a great team was a part of that like, you know, we all kind of set these goals. Like my goal was to be cancer free in a year and when I got to a year was pretty depressed because I hadn’t done it yet and it was like, how did this person do it? And even a girl that that I had consulted with, you know, people call me and I don’t really consult, but like she’s a friend of mine.

01;15;39;09 – 01;15;49;02
Owen Hemsath
And so what did you do? And I’m telling her what I did, and I referred to one of my doctor friends, and she was one of those six months, six months, and she’s cancer free. And I’m just like, man.

01;15;50;13 – 01;15;54;26
Nathan Crane
I can’t go kicks in the competitive mindset as you’re like, Yeah.

01;15;55;06 – 01;16;12;03
Owen Hemsath
I’m like, Will I ever get out of it? But I’m grateful even for that because I came to see that like if I this was about a year into it and it’s like I was like, if I could live the next 20 to 30 years and feel the way I feel today, even if I had cancer, I would be okay with it, you know?

01;16;12;03 – 01;16;37;13
Owen Hemsath
And it’s like I had to be at that point. And when I got to that point, I felt like the cancer started at that point really dying very fast and it was like exponential. And so, you know when I got my cancer free test results, it was pretty close to that two year marker, you know, right? Right around that two years or two years from diagnosis, it took me to get cancer free, but it wasn’t a straight shot.

01;16;38;28 – 01;17;01;25
Owen Hemsath
And and it wasn’t like I couldn’t tell a guy with prostate cancer to do I did wrong guy with brain cancer. But what I can do is I can talk about like some cancer truth’s metabolic activity and I can point people in the right direction. And I think it’s important that, you know, as you engage in a cancer journey, that you’re committed to some type of goal that you can control.

01;17;01;29 – 01;17;18;06
Owen Hemsath
Right? At first for me, it was like, I’m going to do my treatment with joy and I’m going to find joy in this. Make that your first goal. Once you’ve done that, it’s like okay. I’m I’m up and I’m doing the thing every day. I mean, a vegetable every day. I’m kind of now it’s like, now let’s set a goal.

01;17;18;06 – 01;17;42;14
Owen Hemsath
Now you’re going to, you know, I’m going to stop cancer growth by my next CT scan or whatever the case might be setting those goals and then helped me to like live the life in between scans that would get me the results I wanted. So I know like, all right, I got a scan coming up in November. So what I’d like to do is like three months, all plant based diet, no carbohydrates, no alcohol, no fruit, no sugar.

01;17;42;24 – 01;18;01;17
Owen Hemsath
And I’ll fast for five days before the scan, you know, and now all of a sudden, like, I have a strategy because I put milestones and it wasn’t about like of course I wanted to hit the goal, but deep down it was about becoming the type of person that can hit those goals.

01;18;01;23 – 01;18;03;16
Nathan Crane
Yeah, and I hope it’s helping.

01;18;04;05 – 01;18;18;23
Owen Hemsath
I’m the type of person cancer doesn’t get a hold of a person like me, you know what I mean? So it’s not about this or that if cancer ever crept its face into my body again, I would just smash it because that’s who I am, right? It’s not about my genes or anything like that.

01;18;18;29 – 01;18;39;04
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I love that mindset and. I love the fact that, you know, having setting these kinds of goals that you set these kinds of goals because we know how powerful goals are, especially when we commit to them and we have a good actual strategy and support team to hit those goals. Right. And they help you do the ice baths when you hate them, right?

01;18;39;14 – 01;18;59;29
Nathan Crane
They help you drink the gallons of green juice and kale and yeah, it doesn’t taste like cinnamon toast crunch. It’s not supposed to. Right, but but you’re going to eat it anyway, because you know that it’s helping kill the cancer cells and making you healthy and killing your gut and, you know, stimulating your immune system. You know, you know, you’re going, yeah.

01;18;59;29 – 01;19;23;28
Nathan Crane
And that’s where the education is so powerful and important because without that education of what’s actually happening, like, I’m like a Y guy. Like, I love to know the why. Everything. If I know the why, then I set a goal. Then I can get myself to do those really hard things, like take an ice bath this morning for 3 minutes and 35 degree Fahrenheit temperature, you know, outside when it’s cold outside.

01;19;23;28 – 01;19;39;11
Nathan Crane
Like why? Because I know what it’s doing to my immune system. I know it’s upgrading my regulating my immune system. I know it’s, you know, enhancing my longevity. I know it’s creating, you know, more dopamine. I know I know all the things that are happening. So it’s like when I’m sitting there, I’m like, I don’t want to an ice bath.

01;19;40;13 – 01;20;03;24
Nathan Crane
I hate this, but I do it anyway because it’s a discipline, it’s a commitment. And I and I have my goals that I’m working towards. And so I do it, you know, so it’s it’s so important and obviously a huge part of what you’ve done to create your success. But oh, and I appreciate it, man. I your time getting to know you a little bit better here and have you come on the podcast and share this man.

01;20;03;24 – 01;20;08;00
Nathan Crane
Your story is definitely super inspirational. So yeah, thanks for coming on man.

01;20;08;13 – 01;20;29;04
Owen Hemsath
Thanks for having me and giving voice and thanks for all you do. You know, I found your content pretty early on in the journey and you know I’m just so grateful that there are people like you that, you know, you’re taking that preventative approach, right? Because so many people would say, well, I never had cancer. So I don’t feel qualified to help.

01;20;29;04 – 01;20;47;17
Owen Hemsath
And that’s that’s not the truth. Right? Like, I don’t have to have raised a daughter before to raise a daughter. Good. Now, like, it’s just share what, you know, get out there and help people. And what you’re doing is actually changing lives. And so I’m grateful for you. I’m grateful that you give platform to people like me. Just share our stories.

01;20;47;17 – 01;21;08;05
Owen Hemsath
Cancer is beatable. We can reverse that. You can live a better life. And you just got to make that decision so you know, you can I blog little bit on beat cancer with me dot com I have a YouTube channel there where I. I try to share like my stories and my modalities and hey, I tried this and hey, I tried that and this is what this feels like and that’s what that test score looks like.

01;21;08;05 – 01;21;12;26
Owen Hemsath
And so if you guys find that interesting, you can go check it out. But I really appreciate your time and have me here today.

01;21;13;06 – 01;21;17;28
Nathan Crane
That’s awesome, dude. Absolutely. And that that was beat cancer with me icon.

01;21;18;16 – 01;21;35;27
Owen Hemsath
Yeah. And then you’ve got a link to my Instagram from there. My YouTube is there as well and we’ve got a couple articles, some links to doctors that we we like and you know, we want to see beating cancer become the norm. And, you know, we just hope that the small role that we play is helping.

01;21;36;10 – 01;21;39;29
Nathan Crane
That’s awesome. Our brother. Appreciate you, man. Take care of you.

01;21;40;08 – 01;21;40;20
Owen Hemsath
Thank you.