In today’s video, we sit down with Michael J. Gonzalez, NMD. Dr. Michael J. Gonzalez is a Professor at the Nutrition Program, School of Public Health in the Medical Sciences Campus, University of Puerto Rico and Adjunct faculty at the Universidad Central del Caribe School of Medicine and EDP University Program of Naturopathic Sciences. Dr.
Gonzalez is a Fellow of the American College of Nutrition, and has authored over 250 scientific publications. He has obtained several research awards for his work on Nutrition, Supplementation and Cancer. He is currently Director of RECNAC II project, and Research Director of the InBioMed Project Initiative. Dr. Gonzalez also served as a nutrition consultant to the Puerto Rican Basketball National Team and was part of the Medical Commission of the Puerto Rican Basketball Federation. He has developed many new concepts into the scientific field, such as the Bio-energetic theory of carcinogenesis, the physiological modulation concept, the systemic saturation phenomenon of intravenous vitamin C, the metabolic and mitochondrial correction model for disease treatment and prevention, exosomes and photobiomodulation in cancer. Dr. Gonzalez was inducted to the International Hall of fame of Orthomolecular Medicine April 2016. He is one of the first Latino and Puerto Rican to be given this distinction.
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00:01:29:05 – 00:01:58:10
Nathan Crane
Hello and welcome to the podcast. Today we have Dr. Michael Gonzalez on with us. I’m going to introduce him a little bit here. His background is incredible and I’m really excited for this conversation because he has published a significant amount of scientific research and has partnered with and collaborated with many of the top scientific minds of our of this century.
00:01:58:23 – 00:02:25:11
Nathan Crane
Anything related from COVID to cancer to even quantum mechanic X, And, you know, we’re going to talk about all of it hopefully in this podcast. I’m really excited for Michael to be here with us. He’s a professor at the nutrition program School of Public Health in the Medical Sciences Campus at the University of Puerto Rico. He’s a fellow of the American College of Nutrition, has authored over 250 scientific publications.
00:02:25:19 – 00:03:03:10
Nathan Crane
He’s obtained several research awards for his work on nutrition, supplementation and cancer. He has been a consultant to multiple professional teams. He was selected as a member of the prestigious Puerto Rican Academy of Arts and Sciences to the Ibero-American Academy of Culture and Sciences. He has just done so much work. It’s it’s really exciting. What what you’ve been up to, Dr. Gonzalez, the findings of his work with intravenous vitamin C, for example, as an anti-cancer agent was published back in 2002, confirmed by the NIH.
00:03:03:10 – 00:03:31:18
Nathan Crane
In 2005, they published the first Phase one clinical study utilizing intravenous vitamin C for treatment of terminal cancer patients in 2005. He’s brought many new concepts in the scientific field as including the bio energetics theory of Carcinogenesis, which actually will be pretty exciting to talk about. He’s one of the first Latinos in Puerto Ricans to be inducted to the International Hall of Fame of Ortho Molecular Medicine.
00:03:32:04 – 00:03:55:14
Nathan Crane
He’s authored multiple books, including I Have Cancer. What Should I Do? The Awesome Molecular Guide to Cancer Management. And On and on. It’s just the work you’ve been doing. Michael has just been incredible. You sent me over to one of your published research papers and I was going through it and I just I was like, we got to got to get you on the podcast and dive into all this.
00:03:55:14 – 00:03:58:01
Nathan Crane
I mean, the work you’ve been doing has been I think.
00:03:58:09 – 00:04:06:07
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You know, I want to leave a legacy in order to help humanity. That’s my mission. And I know that’s your mission too. So we had to get together.
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Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah.
00:04:08:01 – 00:04:32:11
Nathan Crane
Exactly. Well, and I think, you know, I’ve, I’ve come to realization recently, I don’t know, in the last five or ten years, I think that science is the language of our modern day, right? It it helps us to understand things at a deeper level. Yes, we need intuition. Yes, we need to tap into the artistic and creative side of our right hemisphere, of our brain.
00:04:32:17 – 00:05:03:21
Nathan Crane
Yes, we need to have a spiritual connection and be real connected and aware of our emotional side. But science also helps break through paradigms and false belief systems to bring us into a deeper understanding of what’s really going on at a, you know, a physiological level, at a biological level. So I think it is the language of our modern time, and it can also be weaponized against us, as we saw during COVID, right.
00:05:04:05 – 00:05:30:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Where you being a very important point is that we have to be smart, we have to do science, but not not sciences. And the problem is with sciences, because, you know, the current idea, it’s that if if you cannot explain something with all the tools that you have or that not exist, well, it’s not true. And I think that’s an error we have to keep searching.
00:05:30:03 – 00:05:51:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I think everything has a scientific explanation. If it occurs in our dimensional physical world, it has to have an explanation. The problem is that sometimes you cannot explain it with the normal laws of biology, of chemistry, of physics, and Antonio in physics, and you have to jump to another level, and that’s the level of quantum physics of quantum mechanics.
00:05:51:06 – 00:06:12:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And even though it’s kind of blurry there to even even Planck and Einstein, we’re kind of doubtful of certain things that occur at that level. It’s it’s a very important thing in it. Mathematically, you could prove it. The thing is that since it’s a science that it’s occurs so fast and and it’s so small that the thing is that you have many opportunities.
00:06:12:19 – 00:06:19:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Mary Mary Avenue is going at the same time. Well you choose an avenue. The other ones collapse.
00:06:19:08 – 00:06:20:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
But but.
00:06:20:09 – 00:06:27:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Then that opens other more avenues. So that’s the interesting thing about quantum physics. But you know, a science that starts.
00:06:27:11 – 00:06:28:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
With we’ve.
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Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
We have an idea of Heisenberg.
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Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Or of.
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Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
His idea of that you cannot measure everything. It’s so it’s very difficult. You cannot be precise. You could.
00:06:41:00 – 00:06:41:10
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You could.
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Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Give or theorem, you know, you could have like a range of things that can.
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Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Occur.
00:06:46:17 – 00:07:16:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So those are the opportunities. Once you choose one, it changes. And it’s very interesting because then you have the dual thing about what is energy. If it’s really a particle or if it is a wave and actually it’s kind of both. And the thing I think Tesla is the one that explained it the best because Tesla said that in Origin it should be a particle, but it moves in a sea of energy which he called the ether and that sea of energy forms waves.
00:07:16:08 – 00:07:20:07
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So you have kind of the both at the same time. You have the particle and you have the waves.
00:07:21:12 – 00:07:22:21
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I, I.
00:07:23:10 – 00:07:51:21
Nathan Crane
I love what you said a moment ago about, you know, we need to practice science, but not scientism, right? Scientism being basically the religion of science where you have this, you know, so-called indoctrination of you believe this way, this is the only way or else you’re outcast, right? You you are kicked out from the church, for example, which we saw during COVID.
00:07:51:21 – 00:08:18:10
Nathan Crane
We saw that there was only one science in every other science didn’t matter. It was quackery, it was junk, it was not looked at. It was put under the shelves. And there was only one science that matters. We even remember hearing Fauci basically say that he was science, right, saying that if you didn’t believe what what he or the CDC were telling you, then you basically didn’t believe science.
00:08:18:10 – 00:08:21:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And they changed their America.
00:08:21:22 – 00:08:26:12
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
But they were saying every week they changed it. So so that’s their sign.
00:08:26:12 – 00:08:29:10
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
But it’s even been studied.
00:08:29:24 – 00:08:50:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
They were they you know, these associations, these government agencies, this big pharma, they know how to control what is called the RAST, the reticular activating system, that it’s your filter. So they kind of train your kind of doctrine you to to to think in a way. And the other things are not, you know, not fallible. They’re not true.
00:08:50:16 – 00:08:55:07
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
They’re not because it’s not what they call their hard science.
00:08:55:07 – 00:08:57:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And I mean, you know.
00:08:58:01 – 00:09:01:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Science tries to explain nature. It doesn’t go the other way around.
00:09:01:24 – 00:09:02:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So the thing.
00:09:02:24 – 00:09:32:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Is that we have to be cognizant of the point that biology cannot be explained by our actual conventional science because you could join together carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorous, and you don’t have light. You could mix to mix them and you don’t have that. You need that what we call that vital energy, you know, and that’s why I’m totally a bit of a vitalism idealist.
00:09:32:17 – 00:09:33:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Hmm.
00:09:34:04 – 00:10:07:17
Nathan Crane
That’s that’s a good point, right? It doesn’t matter how how, how many, you know, components you can put together into a single, you know, petri dish or in a laboratory. You really can’t recreate life without the life force energy that animates us. I mean, you could build. Yeah, let’s say. Let’s say you had the potential to to 3D print a human body, brain and everything, but without that spark, that divine spark of life put into that body, it’s not going to it’s not going to exist, It’s not going to live.
00:10:07:17 – 00:10:10:22
Nathan Crane
It’s just going to rot and die in vapors.
00:10:10:22 – 00:10:29:02
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I don’t even remember which one. I kind of explained that, and I call it the Franken’s. I think it’s a quantum quantum energy medicine. I think I, I talk about that and I named it as the Frankenstein effect. If you remember the movie of Frankenstein, it was a bunch of body parts from different of.
00:10:29:08 – 00:10:31:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
From different than people.
00:10:31:14 – 00:11:04:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And it kind of took life when it received that big burst of that thunder and lightning. And I call it the same way, actually, we have what we call direct neck project, which is cancer written backwards, and we want to create a toxic protocol that follows the concept of the old, old cultures like the Chinese are doing better in terms of managing the body, creating a balance in and in kind of pinpointing, helping the body restructure itself.
00:11:05:04 – 00:11:26:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The point is that we’ve been pretty successful in many cases, but sometimes we had not been successful in terminal patients. And and I think if there life, there’s hope. We just don’t know how to do it yet. But I have a very hard feeling, a hard impression. I’m sounding like Linus Pauling, which is a good example to follow.
00:11:26:20 – 00:11:40:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Instead, I think that you should give all these cofactors like mitochondria enhancers, co Q10, alpha lipoic acid, magnesium, vitamin C, the B-COMPLEX. I think you need these to represent.
00:11:40:20 – 00:11:41:07
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
A.
00:11:41:07 – 00:11:52:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
But at the same time all the lipids also phosphatidylcholine for Fatty Sareen. I think Garfinkle Sun has a pretty good idea of what he calls lipid replacement therapy to reestablish that.
00:11:54:03 – 00:11:55:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Membrane.
00:11:57:09 – 00:12:26:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Electric interaction. But at the same time you need all these co factors, but you need that energy to direct those cofactors. You need information that would enhance these, these possibilities. So that’s why we’re looking into stem cells. We’re looking into exosomes. I think pure Mario Barber from Italy has a good idea how to use exosomes of a specific time, of a specific development time that will really enhance information to differentiate the cell.
00:12:27:09 – 00:12:35:21
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And at the same time, we need that energy to burst and turn off that mitochondria again. And I think that the lasers of different wavelengths.
00:12:36:00 – 00:12:36:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Will.
00:12:36:13 – 00:12:39:14
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Will do that job. There’s already information about.
00:12:42:03 – 00:12:42:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The.
00:12:43:04 – 00:12:52:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Infrared and red lasers having impact on the mitochondria, especially in the cytochrome B But I think that other colors like.
00:12:52:05 – 00:12:52:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Red.
00:12:52:23 – 00:13:05:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yellow, blue are also there’s other probably chromosomes that we have not identified yet. But look at this. It’s in the in nature. We receive all these very important information wavelengths from the sun.
00:13:06:01 – 00:13:06:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Right.
00:13:06:09 – 00:13:19:17
Nathan Crane
It’s basically photo, photo, bio modulation. Right. It is. Without that light from this, we need the light from the sun for, you know, many mechanisms in our body and many mechanisms we probably don’t even understand scientifically yet.
00:13:20:02 – 00:13:41:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It’s it’s a lot of quantum physics and that but the thing is you get all these wavelengths from the sun. You you get them basically in the skin and you get it. You get it basic in the pineal gland, in the pillow gland distributes these weight throughout the body. And then you have the you should have the grounding in order for all this to cycle these electrons.
00:13:41:19 – 00:13:43:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
But the point here is that.
00:13:44:13 – 00:13:44:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Does.
00:13:44:24 – 00:14:14:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
That when we’re in you, that’s excellent. When you’re when you’re healthy, almost healthy. But when you are in a in a disease state, in a unbalanced state, these wavelengths from the sun, which are great, are not constant treated enough. They don’t have the coherence necessary to impact the chromosomes in a form that will change physiology. That’s why we think lasers, which are very coherent, they’re monochromatic, they’re going to do a specific job.
00:14:14:05 – 00:14:17:11
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And I think these various colors and they’re already available.
00:14:18:12 – 00:14:19:07
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Intravenous.
00:14:19:07 – 00:14:41:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Lasers. But the point here is that I’m not sure of, you know, the distribution of how much time you need of each of the colors to really impact the different disease. But I think the key is there, and we’re looking into that. I don’t know if my lifetime will be enough to check that out. I have my my youngest son, Michael Joel will probably will take care of that.
00:14:41:13 – 00:14:48:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And we have a little one. Michael Andre, my we’re preparing him to history. He could explain you. The energy from the sun.
00:14:48:21 – 00:14:52:06
Nathan Crane
Is that Michael Michael the third or how many Michael’s do you have in your family?
00:14:53:08 – 00:14:53:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Michael?
00:14:54:00 – 00:15:00:12
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The four I wrote. I bought him a T, He just turned three. I bought him a t shirts that Michael Gonzalez for The Legend continues.
00:15:02:01 – 00:15:03:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Nice So we have.
00:15:03:04 – 00:15:15:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
For Michael goes on it so but the thing here it’s the point is that I think the key is that we have to we need that Frankenstein effect. We need that energy that high energy to impact to direct.
00:15:16:04 – 00:15:16:12
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
This.
00:15:16:14 – 00:15:26:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The electron transport system to create ATP. Once you start creating ATP from the oxidative point, you’re going to need oxygen also. That’s why we’re looking into the hyperbaric chamber.
00:15:27:04 – 00:15:27:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
That.
00:15:27:10 – 00:15:53:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I’ve always said is vitamin intravenous, vitamin C, all these mitochondrial cofactors. We’re looking at a diet which is which has a tendency to be alkaline. You just auto vegetables out of fruits. We have look into Kito, we have look into paleo. We use mostly paleo. And I could tell you why. I mean, Kito, it’s when we have a cancer that are going real fast, we use the kido, but the body adapts to the keto in about three months.
00:15:53:05 – 00:16:13:12
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah. And the point here is it seems to be a I think Dr. Thomas hopefully has it kind of figured out that he’s seen that it’s an issue with glutamine, that the cells started using it instead of sugar. So it kind of that’s why you can’t use too much protein in the keto diet. But the thing is that people have been using the wrong fats too.
00:16:13:17 – 00:16:23:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You have to balance the fats and the ketone has to be high, but you have to balance between omega three, omega six, omega nine, etc. etc. And I think people are not doing that. They’re kind of.
00:16:23:14 – 00:16:24:02
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Over.
00:16:24:21 – 00:16:32:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Over eating and some of them are mostly saturated and it’s, you know, it’s it doesn’t really enhance that much tumor growth, but it kind of.
00:16:34:05 – 00:16:37:02
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Makes you, you know.
00:16:37:11 – 00:16:44:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
That the diet eventually will not be as effective. So we’re looking into I think Thomas hopefully has more information than I do at that point.
00:16:44:13 – 00:17:04:07
Nathan Crane
But we we yeah, we see we see I’ve interviewed Thomas and he’s got some really interesting stuff for sure and we we know that Kito is not ideal long term for a lot of reasons. A couple you just mentioned, but it can be interventional short, you know, but then you have them, you know, a few months. But there’s there’s some challenges that we see a lot of results with cancer patients.
00:17:04:07 – 00:17:42:06
Nathan Crane
A lot of great results when putting people on a really high vegetable plant based diet, specifically cruciferous vegetables. And then a lot of the anti-cancer foods, the berries, the herbs, the nut, you know, small amounts of nuts and seeds, you know, the legumes, the anti cancer legumes, the mushrooms. So on a plant based diet, you know, a moderate protein, high carbohydrate, but whole food, healthy carbohydrate from, you know, healthy grains and vegetables, which have all the incredible anti-cancer properties, the sulforaphane from the cruciferous vegetables.
00:17:43:01 – 00:18:02:09
Nathan Crane
And I’ve just I’ve seen case study after case study of, you know, cancers completely being reversed with that diet. Hey, I just want to take a quick second and thank you for listening to this episode. I hope you’re enjoying it so far as a special thank you for tuning into this episode. I want to give you my number one Amazon bestselling book, Absolutely Free.
00:18:02:14 – 00:18:25:01
Nathan Crane
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00:18:25:04 – 00:18:26:13
Nathan Crane
All right, let’s get back to the show.
00:18:27:11 – 00:18:48:23
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Well, let me tell you, our our point here is that we have been most successful with our cancer patients using the paleo diet, but it’s a paleo that’s I would say it’s kind of it doesn’t use that much at protein. It uses a little bit, you know, it’s like, like the palm of your hand two times a day.
00:18:49:11 – 00:18:54:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
That’s about it. And it’s just what it seems necessary to maintain.
00:18:54:09 – 00:18:54:14
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You.
00:18:54:14 – 00:19:09:21
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Know, the necessary protein for the immune system, but not to enhance tumor growth. But as I tell you, the cancers that are growing real fast, a lot of brain cancers and stuff we have used, the keto has been successful in in restraining growth.
00:19:10:02 – 00:19:10:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah, yeah.
00:19:11:01 – 00:19:29:04
Nathan Crane
Oh yeah. If you cut out its major fuel source right away, which, which is glucose, you cut that out and then the cancer has to, has to adapt. Right. In which is there are some cancers it can actually feed on ketones as well. Most people don’t realize that but, but it’s not that common. But the main one is glucose.
00:19:29:04 – 00:19:35:11
Nathan Crane
But as you said, it can then go to glutamine. So that becomes, you know, a little bit of a concern as well.
00:19:35:12 – 00:20:00:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So a race between the things that you can restrain and reactivate oxidative metabolism balance again, the immune system make it more available. And sometimes these tumor create like some type of a mucous membrane. That’s well, that’s why the uses of certain enzymes in high doses has been affected in terms of systemic breaking down that mucus thing. So the immune system can, could recognize it and that sort of thing.
00:20:00:21 – 00:20:39:03
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Yeah. The, the high dose pancreatic enzymes. Yeah. There’s a whole protocol on that. Yep. So I want to go back to a little bit. You, you’ve published some papers on, on COVID and you put together an incredible group of scientists and doctors to coauthor some of these papers with you. You know, Peter McCullough. You know, there was one you put together an international consensus report on SARS-CoV-2, COVID 19, and the immune system, an awesome molecular view.
00:20:39:03 – 00:21:06:21
Nathan Crane
And you published this. You had, what, like 50 coauthors on this top scientists and doctors, virologists, you know, from immunologists, all different kinds of doctors. Michael Friedman Yeah, I’m just looking at the list here, and you published this in 2022, so was this May of 20 to oh? Paul Marik as well. I mean, a lot of really incredible people for those who are watching, actually, I’ll just share this.
00:21:06:21 – 00:21:08:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I think for you there.
00:21:09:06 – 00:21:11:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Brian Cole is there. Yeah, it’s a.
00:21:11:04 – 00:21:12:20
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Pretty impressive group.
00:21:13:09 – 00:21:19:13
Nathan Crane
Yeah, incredible group of people. So what was your what was it? Can you see this? Is this the paper? Is it showing up on your screen.
00:21:20:16 – 00:21:24:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
About antiviral mechanisms of vitamin C? Oh, that’s.
00:21:24:05 – 00:21:25:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Another. It picked the wrong one.
00:21:25:19 – 00:21:34:12
Nathan Crane
I want to talk about that one, too. But because I think that was really I think the timing of that was really interesting. Is this the oh, geez.
00:21:34:22 – 00:21:45:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
My screen shows that sense of optimism. But that’s that’s an interesting thing because that’s the most antiviral thing that I’ve ever seen, has been IV vitamin C in large doses.
00:21:45:09 – 00:22:09:00
Nathan Crane
Well, this is the one my computer wants to select right now. So let’s talk about this. So what’s interesting about this one is you published this in September 15th of 2020, right? So pretty early into COVID, you had a lot of great authors on this one as well. I think 30 looks like 30 different scientists and doctors in a lot of universities that that coauthored this with you.
00:22:10:05 – 00:22:13:13
Nathan Crane
Basically. Why don’t you talk about what this paper was about?
00:22:13:13 – 00:22:19:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And let me tell you there that will be is very interesting. We have.
00:22:19:03 – 00:22:19:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
There.
00:22:21:03 – 00:22:26:20
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
One of the Chinese doctors that were in Wuhan that used that save 50 patient that were.
00:22:27:03 – 00:22:27:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
In really.
00:22:27:18 – 00:22:56:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Bad shape with COVID. He saved them of I.V. vitamin C, and he’s yeah, Doctor Peng, Sayan Peng. So he was one of the doctors in Wuhan. And so the idea is that we wanted to make sure that at least out there was the information of the antiviral of the virus, antiviral effects of vitamin C, which it has direct and indirect effects.
00:22:57:04 – 00:23:00:10
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And basically, I think the most important one, it’s that.
00:23:00:19 – 00:23:01:11
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The ones.
00:23:02:02 – 00:23:18:02
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
That the mechanism that it has with the white blood cells, especially the T lymphocytes, that’s our first defense. When we have a viral infection, it what we want to do, it’s reduced the viral load. And that’s the way if you could reduce the viral.
00:23:18:02 – 00:23:18:12
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Load.
00:23:20:10 – 00:23:49:07
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
That the disease, even if you have you get the disease, it’s going to it’s not going to be that bad because you don’t have that much viruses infecting different tissues. The primary is when you have a high viral load that invades your tissue. The second response, it’s the antibodies, and the antibodies create the cytokines and the cytokines. The problem with these cytokines is that once the virus invades the tissue, it’s going to attack the tissues because the viruses are in the tissues and that’s where the damage occurs.
00:23:49:07 – 00:24:09:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And when you have a cytokine storm, that’s where you have the trouble. And the problem was that people were getting to the hospital in a bad shape and they were given they were they were intubate, intubated with oxygen, pure oxygen. And that really increases more of the drug, the cytokines and free radicals. So most of the people that were intubated died 90%.
00:24:09:22 – 00:24:27:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So the idea what they should have done is put it with high dose I.V. vitamin C and put them in a hyperbaric chamber, not direct, you know, intubation of oxygen. Mm. So we talked this with Dr. Paul Marik and Peer Corey.
00:24:27:24 – 00:24:28:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And you know that.
00:24:29:13 – 00:24:48:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
They did the first studies with sepsis and sepsis looks very much what of what happens with the koby. So I don’t know why that he has had so much trouble in his hospital. He was even banned of using vitamin C in one patient died. I remember seeing him cry. He saw that that’s the type of doctor I.
00:24:48:06 – 00:24:49:21
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Want so.
00:24:50:01 – 00:25:13:24
Nathan Crane
Well, in the the crazy thing was, you know, at this time. So there was no vaccine available. And there were no preventative measures being taken. And doctors who were trying to think out of the box like this and say, hey, what if we try some vitamin C? Where if we try some zinc, what if we try some things that we know have antiviral properties in immune modulating properties?
00:25:14:05 – 00:25:42:21
Nathan Crane
Why don’t we try these things to help the patients while we’re, you know, waiting on the so-called, you know, miracle drug? And the hospitals wouldn’t allow doctors to do it. They would lose their licenses from state boards. They would, you know, have all kinds of issues come up. And there were multiple papers like this where, you know, doctors and scientists coming out and saying, look, we need to be treating the patient with whatever way that we can right now to help them.
00:25:43:11 – 00:25:51:05
Nathan Crane
And, you know, there were there weren’t many options early on that you could do. You know, there was monoclonal antibodies.
00:25:52:13 – 00:26:04:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Go ahead. There wasn’t even treatment. Oh, I remember. Oh, Doctor. Oh, the.
00:26:04:05 – 00:26:44:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Cardiologist, Dr. McCullough, saying that they were not giving early treatment. They said, stay here, your home when you get back, go to the hospital. And when they got to the hospital, they were already invaded by these cytokine storms and this high viral load and they were not able to save them. The people who got early treatment, most of them survived very well, even though even, you know, just normal things like not even well, they most of them gave them vitamin C and gave them zinc, which in think is a very interesting thing because it inhibits reverse transcriptase, but it has to be in a high dose and the thing is, it needs to it’s a
00:26:44:08 – 00:26:46:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
large molecule. So you need like a.
00:26:47:16 – 00:26:48:11
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Another.
00:26:48:15 – 00:27:10:07
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Type of like a quercetin or something like that in order to carry it into the cell. But it’s very effective in reducing reverse transcriptase so that way the radicals cannot reproduce. So it’s a combination of things, Vitamin D, vitamin C, but and they had a protocol they’d develop. Dr. Marik and Dr..
00:27:10:23 – 00:27:11:11
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
McCullough.
00:27:11:12 – 00:27:12:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Hori developed.
00:27:12:15 – 00:27:13:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And Pierre, I think.
00:27:14:17 – 00:27:18:20
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah. And I was still fighting with him because I wanted him to even increase more by him and see.
00:27:19:01 – 00:27:20:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And in in.
00:27:21:09 – 00:27:26:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The world’s first protocol and the second he sent me an email, I said, You should be happy because we increase the vitamins.
00:27:26:11 – 00:27:26:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah.
00:27:27:17 – 00:27:54:10
Nathan Crane
Well, that can cause the conclusion. I’ll read it on this paper that you guys published early or published in early in COVID. So this was in 20 this was in September of 2020. This was so this this was public. Right? And so you said vitamin C can be used as a stand alone therapeutic agent to eradicate a viral bacterial infection if given in high doses as constant infusions.
00:27:54:19 – 00:28:17:01
Nathan Crane
Based on this mechanistic rationale explaining therapeutic use of vitamin C to prevent inflammatory hyper activation, myeloid and lymphoid cells, we conclude that supplementation with high dose vitamin C appears to be able to both prevent and help treat respiratory and systemic infections. Ascorbate as sufficiently high doses can prevent viral disease and greatly speed recovery from an acute viral infection.
00:28:17:01 – 00:28:43:12
Nathan Crane
So the thing was, was you didn’t have any, you know, clinical trials of vitamin C and COVID. And so they just threw this information out. Right. And they said, well, you can’t use it, but that’s not how science works and that’s not how medicine works, Right? There are so many off label drug uses that doctors prescribe every single day where there aren’t clinical trials for that particular drug, for that particular use.
00:28:43:20 – 00:29:00:00
Nathan Crane
But the doctor knows that, hey, it has similar mechanisms. So we can prescribe as now when you’re talking about vitamin C, they just say, oh, no, this isn’t you know, this isn’t a drug that we can regulate. So it’s not even an option. I mean, what and then people were.
00:29:00:00 – 00:29:03:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Silent as well when it was.
00:29:03:18 – 00:29:35:20
Nathan Crane
Well, and then you and then doctors were silenced who were talking about this. My my channels were shut down, social media channels were shut down, YouTube channels were shut down. I was sharing these kinds of reports and scientific articles, and I wasn’t saying anything like vitamin C can cure COVID. I was saying, look at this. You know, scientific look at this massive body of sorts of published in peer reviewed scientific information on the effects of, you know, vitamin C for viral infections, because there’s a lot actually in the literature and then and then.
00:29:35:21 – 00:29:36:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Use it.
00:29:37:00 – 00:29:48:09
Nathan Crane
And then they would shut down my channels and then they would shut down doctors channels for talking about this. It’s crazy. So what did you guys what happened to you guys when you publish this? What happened after you publish anything?
00:29:49:20 – 00:30:13:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Not really, because we published in the Journal of Medicine, Liquid Medicine, whatever. But let me tell you what has happened. We had a we have an article that had been dwindling around for about a year, and it’s about the protocol to attend to post vaccine damages. And since it’s controversial, we have been kicked out of it. We send it to foreign journals and they were not interested in.
00:30:13:09 – 00:30:43:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
No, no, we came out. Who can uphold? Is that so? It’s still dwindling around And we we actually we didn’t publish it in the Journal of Medicine because we said so many things there and we wanted to post some some other place because actually they’re kind of back, you know, they’re back on their articles. And still there’s an article that we sent earlier about there’s one on Nasopharyngeal contamination using iodine that may even prevent from the infection in the first place.
00:30:44:02 – 00:30:55:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And that has not even been published because it’s it’s, you know, all these articles had been sent there, so we didn’t want to send it there. We sent the post, we sent the long.
00:30:55:04 – 00:30:56:23
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Haul protocol.
00:30:57:06 – 00:31:13:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
For long haul. Kobe And that was published. That was published. But that’s only this one, which is probably more important because it’s the post vaccine that, you know, depending mostly coagulation issues, heart issues. It has not been nobody wants it. Nobody wants.
00:31:13:06 – 00:31:14:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It. We have.
00:31:14:06 – 00:31:18:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Tried journals after robotic medicine and nobody wants to get into that.
00:31:18:19 – 00:31:19:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You know, So I don’t know.
00:31:19:24 – 00:31:29:06
Nathan Crane
How did it how did they deny you? How does a journal like that deny you from being able to publish it? What do they tell yourself?
00:31:30:05 – 00:31:34:12
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
They just say that they they’re not interested in that article. That’s it.
00:31:34:24 – 00:31:35:18
Nathan Crane
That’s all they say.
00:31:36:12 – 00:31:37:21
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Wow. Yeah.
00:31:37:21 – 00:31:46:08
Nathan Crane
Wow. So this is I mean, that’s that’s that’s scientism, right? That’s scientism. When when the top journals won’t accept.
00:31:47:17 – 00:31:52:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Articles, Trump never published it. We sent it to natural opera journals and even.
00:31:52:07 – 00:31:53:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
They didn’t want to publish it.
00:31:54:13 – 00:32:01:23
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So it’s it’s an issue. It has to be somebody who will their it. I think there are very few journals in there that I know.
00:32:01:23 – 00:32:06:10
Nathan Crane
That are there are there are issues with it. Do they take it?
00:32:06:10 – 00:32:13:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Let me tell you one thing. You know that the journal about the work is it is not in put made and that’s probably why because it accepts these types of.
00:32:13:01 – 00:32:17:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Articles but you could Google it, you know, so.
00:32:18:01 – 00:32:21:12
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You could find it if you really look for it, but it’s not available easily.
00:32:22:01 – 00:32:22:20
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So, you know.
00:32:23:05 – 00:32:37:14
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It’s my information, it’s not available easy. You really have to search for it. That’s why I went to Poland State in many places, in many, many sites and many things, because people will not be able to get it because it’s not easily available.
00:32:38:19 – 00:33:09:16
Nathan Crane
That’s so sad. It’s so sad that, you know, science censors in these journals can censor science, you know, cutting edge science that, hey, could transform and change and improve the way that we live our lives. And take care of our health and take care of our children and take care of our communities, take care of our world. And yet you can’t get this information out into the mainstream because, you know, the the the people who are running these journals won’t allow it for whatever reason.
00:33:09:16 – 00:33:29:01
Nathan Crane
You can talk about financial incentives. You can talk about, you know, where they get their funding from. You can talk about the governmental organizations that they’re in bed with and the corporations are in bed with. Right. You can you know, because we know that this always leads back to money and power. You know, where, hey, if you publish these kinds of things, guess what?
00:33:29:02 – 00:33:46:07
Nathan Crane
You’re going to lose your grant money. You’re going to lose, you know, your funding. You’re going to lose. You know, we know that stuff happens all the time behind the scenes. We know it happens in the media. You know, if you guys report on these things, you’re going to lose our advertising dollars, the millions and hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:33:46:07 – 00:34:03:24
Nathan Crane
We give you an advertising dollars. Guess what? That’s going to trickle away if you start reporting on these things. You know, we know that that happens. A problem is, you know, I don’t think a lot of people realize and I don’t even think I realize to the extent how much science gets censored today.
00:34:03:24 – 00:34:04:20
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah, it’s.
00:34:04:20 – 00:34:05:10
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Incredible.
00:34:06:05 – 00:34:14:10
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
That’s the only way science can advance if you challenge it. And it’s really sad what’s happening. But, you know, it’s big interest, a lot of money going on.
00:34:14:10 – 00:34:14:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
In.
00:34:15:17 – 00:34:18:02
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And that’s that’s that’s how the cookie crumbles.
00:34:18:12 – 00:34:36:19
Nathan Crane
So after this paper you publish on vitamin C since then. So in the last almost three years now, do you know of more papers that have been published on vitamin C and COVID for treating COVID specifically?
00:34:37:02 – 00:34:37:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah.
00:34:38:03 – 00:34:59:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I have not follow it directly. I think I collect them, but I haven’t had a chance to look at them. But they are many papers since 2020. Other than that paper on vitamin C, we published a very interesting case two cases that we reported in the journal of our to medical our murders and treated with I.V. vitamin C and mitochondria enhancers and.
00:34:59:06 – 00:34:59:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
People.
00:35:00:09 – 00:35:09:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Having been on in excellent in about three or four days so in some cases but at least it gives you an idea how it can be treated early.
00:35:09:19 – 00:35:11:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You know, and with people.
00:35:12:05 – 00:35:14:02
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You know, having good results of it.
00:35:14:10 – 00:35:16:17
Nathan Crane
What were the mitochondrial enhancers that you used?
00:35:18:06 – 00:35:30:12
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Well, we basically used coenzyme Q10 B-Complex, vitamin C, magnesium, followed by gas it. And we added the because I’ve got vehicles and we added these.
00:35:31:16 – 00:35:32:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Phospholipids.
00:35:33:14 – 00:35:38:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Phosphatidylserine for Fatty, the cocoa line and Phosphatidylinositol.
00:35:40:01 – 00:35:40:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And.
00:35:40:15 – 00:35:52:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
We also use omega threes, but it has to be omega threes with vitamin E because it has to be. We want to keep the membrane flexible. When you once you keep the membrane flexible.
00:35:53:08 – 00:35:53:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It.
00:35:53:22 – 00:36:16:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Could, it could. This, this electrical interaction occurs in very easily. So you have a higher production of ATP in the mitochondria is happy. Remember that we inherited the mitochondria in our molar so it’s a female and it’s very powerful, but it’s very sensitive. So we have to give it a lot of tending loving care and we don’t we use.
00:36:17:10 – 00:36:40:20
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You mentioned something that’s very important in all degenerative diseases, especially cancer, and it’s the issue that people eat too much, refined and processed food, especially sugar and fats. You know, and that’s one of the issue. Eat too many omega six are our pro-inflammatory and decrease unbalanced immune system. We use too much sugar, which is probably the the culprit of all of degenerative diseases.
00:36:40:24 – 00:36:58:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Alzheimer, diabetes, cancer. So we have to really be cognizant of that and reduce the intake of these things, not reduce. I would get it out as much as possible as I can. I think it we’re we’re aware of that. I think we’ll, you know, if we do a lot more vegetables.
00:36:58:24 – 00:37:01:20
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
A lot more fruits.
00:37:01:20 – 00:37:11:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I think we’ll be pretty much okay. And we may have to hydrate. Another important thing is hydration. We recently wrote a paper on structured water and cancer, which called of.
00:37:13:05 – 00:37:13:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Gerald.
00:37:13:16 – 00:37:28:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Paul. I actually I have to he said he read it after and he liked it. But he hasn’t he has not told me that he read the whole article. So I have to send him an email soon and see what he thinks. But I think he he felt he was the one who said, publish it, please publish it.
00:37:28:20 – 00:37:37:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So we went out, had a Polish, and I think it’s a great paper. It’s done on structure, water and cancer and but I think it talks about cancer, but I think it.
00:37:37:08 – 00:37:40:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Relates to all, all.
00:37:40:14 – 00:37:44:20
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Degenerative disease and it’s kind of the first line of production. It’s the.
00:37:44:24 – 00:37:45:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Extra.
00:37:46:08 – 00:37:56:10
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It’s that extracellular fluid that that surrounds just the the cell membrane. I think James Osmond also talks about that. So we.
00:37:56:10 – 00:37:56:14
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Get.
00:37:57:04 – 00:38:16:23
Nathan Crane
Calls it Pawlak calls it the fourth phase of water, right where when you look at the water, you know, we have the three phases, of course, you know, the ice, the liquid, the the steam. But the fourth phase is when they look at it inside the inside the body, inside the cells, it’s actually it’s like a plasma, right?
00:38:17:04 – 00:38:18:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah, it’s like a gel.
00:38:19:01 – 00:38:19:11
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Crystal.
00:38:19:11 – 00:38:21:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Gel like a crystal. We saw.
00:38:22:22 – 00:38:26:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It’s a flexible crystal and it permits.
00:38:26:15 – 00:38:27:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
A.
00:38:27:23 – 00:38:33:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Movement of electrons in a specific way that falls like a battery. So it kind of enhances.
00:38:34:18 – 00:38:34:21
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The.
00:38:35:07 – 00:39:01:23
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
All these interactions of the membrane. And it works also as an antioxidant outside the cell membrane. So but in it’s kind of H3 instead of H2O, it’s H2O. So it’s the hydrogen power. So it’s it’s gaining a lot of interesting things. How to move hydrogen. And as part of the all these mechanisms to attain or balance what we call the healthy state, regain the healthy state.
00:39:01:23 – 00:39:29:04
Nathan Crane
Right. So, you know, the the fourth phase of water or structured water is it’s almost you could call it living water, right? It’s the water that you would find inside fruit, for example, or vegetables. That water is it’s structured. It has a a a a a more strong a more structural element to it, you know, and you can see the crystallization of it and and it responds.
00:39:29:04 – 00:39:42:05
Nathan Crane
What’s interesting is it responds I mean, all water responds, but it responds to sound, it responds to light. And, you know, they say our bodies are roughly 70% water.
00:39:42:05 – 00:39:50:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah, it’s incredible how the all the characteristics of water that that had not been we have not been aware of it. We were thinking of water, just sort.
00:39:50:22 – 00:39:51:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Of a.
00:39:51:24 – 00:40:05:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Water hydrating and H2O and that thing in water. So it’s a whole intelligence structure that could hold information, provide information, detoxify. I mean, it’s so many things that water could do. It’s incredible.
00:40:06:08 – 00:40:35:21
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00:41:25:23 – 00:41:34:20
Nathan Crane
Now let’s get back to the show. So what what did you discover about structured water and cancer specifically?
00:41:36:14 – 00:41:45:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Well, we think that it could be part of the restoring the mitochondrial function. Once you restore mitochondrial function, you regain.
00:41:45:00 – 00:41:45:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Order.
00:41:45:19 – 00:41:46:07
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Regain.
00:41:46:07 – 00:41:47:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Organization.
00:41:47:16 – 00:42:21:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You think you are able to compartmentalize, Come, come, I would say make it in compartments. And and that creates order and organization. And that could in certain extent, we differentiate the cell, make the cell differentiate again. And because, you know, the idea I wrote that my theory of the brain and direct your carcinogenesis. But you know, that’s almost like if he had the same idea, he wrote cancer, some metabolic disease, and I didn’t know of him and he didn’t know of me.
00:42:21:16 – 00:42:31:20
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So when we got together, he came. I mean, I think he’s more advanced than me. And that because he has the chance of doing a lot of the research, I haven’t been. I probably done a couple of experiments already.
00:42:32:02 – 00:42:34:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
But he has done more than that.
00:42:34:03 – 00:43:04:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I did. But I actually when I have any doubt, I call him up again in cinema email. Hey Tom, please explain to me this. And he he very restlessly does every time and sends me papers and stuff. And he follows a photo mitochondrial paper. But the thing here is that definitely it took what is part of the organizing interests in rebalancing the healthy state, creating the proper environment for the mitochondria to do its job or to restore it.
00:43:04:18 – 00:43:15:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So I think we can restore medical the future to certain extent. Other times, I think the beauty of this is that it’s a two way thing. You can restore mitochondria.
00:43:15:08 – 00:43:15:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Or you could.
00:43:15:19 – 00:43:18:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Push it.
00:43:18:13 – 00:43:18:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Or.
00:43:19:16 – 00:43:28:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So does because once it if it’s aware that it’s in problem, it would it will kill itself. It’s how you call that.
00:43:28:20 – 00:43:28:23
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Get.
00:43:29:21 – 00:43:33:22
Nathan Crane
A problem apoptosis apoptosis you.
00:43:33:22 – 00:43:40:21
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Could push it to a pop toxicity or you could restore it in the mitochondria will decide The miracle is a very intelligent bacteria.
00:43:41:13 – 00:43:42:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Let me tell you.
00:43:42:03 – 00:43:46:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It’s you know that it has only 36 genes and all these genes just codify.
00:43:46:18 – 00:43:47:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
For.
00:43:47:08 – 00:44:08:11
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Proteins of electron transport system. The rest of the things, it’s a constant communication with the nucleus. That’s why communication is so important. And communication can only occur when there’s order and organization and enough energy. So that’s the issue. Energy is everything. It’s everything we have been we use energy for diagnose says, but we don’t use it for treatment.
00:44:08:16 – 00:44:26:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And that has to change. And this is basically looking at all cultures, all ancient cultures that were related to health, use energy as part of their of their therapy. But only us in conventional medicine, we only use it for diagnosis. We don’t use it for treatment. And that has to change.
00:44:27:21 – 00:44:40:16
Nathan Crane
Now with structure water, doesn’t it vibrate in a like if it was fresh spring water straight out of the mountain? Right. That’s what we’re talking about when we’re when we’re moving water.
00:44:40:23 – 00:44:46:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And the sun has to had that impact from the sun. It’s water movement impacted by the sun.
00:44:46:17 – 00:44:58:10
Nathan Crane
And then if you look at on a microscope, it has a hexagonal structure to it, right? It’s like hexagons and it’s and it’s also and it’s naturally rich in hydrogen.
00:44:59:14 – 00:45:00:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:00:20 – 00:45:18:09
Nathan Crane
I mean, more hydrogen than the water you’re buying in your bottle of water that comes out of your tap that’s been treated. That’s you know, I mean what’s interesting too, from the research that I’ve seen is with structured water, you need significantly less than it to hydrate your cells than than just regular water that you’re drinking.
00:45:19:23 – 00:45:25:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah, definitely. The interesting thing is how electrons can move.
00:45:26:03 – 00:45:26:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Through it.
00:45:26:16 – 00:45:29:14
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
In a very easily way that create.
00:45:29:22 – 00:45:30:10
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Very.
00:45:31:08 – 00:45:51:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Important in an electrical environment, a very protective electrical environment. And that’s what really it’s part of the as I told you about what we call the balance of the healthy state, it’s all intertwined and because when you see acupuncture, it moves the energy.
00:45:51:21 – 00:45:53:14
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
To more mostly.
00:45:57:18 – 00:46:01:11
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
These channels that are chi like collagen like that are crystal.
00:46:01:11 – 00:46:01:20
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Like.
00:46:02:01 – 00:46:15:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So electrons move very easily and crystal like structures. So what this what this membrane that’s surrounded the muscles it’s amazingly when the where.
00:46:15:01 – 00:46:15:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The.
00:46:16:17 – 00:46:18:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Where the meridians are identified.
00:46:19:06 – 00:46:20:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
How you call it what.
00:46:20:16 – 00:46:21:14
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Covers the muscle.
00:46:21:14 – 00:46:22:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I forgot the.
00:46:22:05 – 00:46:23:04
Nathan Crane
Yeah. The fascia.
00:46:24:04 – 00:46:32:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The fashion. Yeah. That’s, that’s where the electrons move because it’s a crystal, it’s a collagen likewise it’s crystal like an electron moving very easily through it.
00:46:33:04 – 00:46:58:00
Nathan Crane
You know what’s funny is, is the I mean this just shows you how ignorant our science can be. You know, not until recently. The fashion, you know, when doing cadavers and understanding, you know, the the physiology of the human body, they would throw away the fascia as just this waste material. It didn’t mean anything. It was like it was just kind of in the way and they would throw it away.
00:46:58:05 – 00:47:19:13
Nathan Crane
You know, this is very recent, I think just in the last 20 years or even less, where it was just, you know, just not sort anything. And now they’re looking deep into and realizing, actually, hang on a minute, just like you said, that fashion might even be a way for communication throughout the entire body. Right. Just like.
00:47:19:21 – 00:47:20:07
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It could.
00:47:21:10 – 00:47:35:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It could be a quantum communication thing that you could have kind of instant communication even in that way, because, you know, it’s it’s a combination of electrical flow. And then and once you have an electrical.
00:47:35:00 – 00:47:35:11
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Current.
00:47:36:02 – 00:47:37:11
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Parallel to it, you have.
00:47:37:11 – 00:47:45:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
A let’s see if I remember the neighborhood. You have a.
00:47:46:07 – 00:48:14:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Magnetic field and there are magnetic fields where these electrons could move at even faster than the than the speed of light. So it could be an instant communication. That’s one of the issues that you mentioned that are mentioned in quantum physics, that communication from the top could be instantly to the to the brain. And the only way of doing that, it’s not by the nerve system because even though it seems fast, it takes time because it’s electrical chemical way.
00:48:15:06 – 00:48:17:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
But you have what we call the.
00:48:20:14 – 00:48:22:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The Perry neural.
00:48:22:09 – 00:48:26:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Communication, which it mainly could be the fascia where you have that.
00:48:26:20 – 00:48:27:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Flow.
00:48:27:08 – 00:48:36:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Of electrons going on. So fast that it could be instant, you know, instant communication. So it’s very all these things are so interesting.
00:48:37:03 – 00:48:38:05
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s crazy back.
00:48:38:24 – 00:48:39:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Oh, gotcha.
00:48:39:18 – 00:48:54:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So let me tell you. But they didn’t know the physiology about chemistry because they understood the body. That was something more complex, just this physical dimension that we see. But they understood how to manage these energies and use it and benefit.
00:48:55:01 – 00:48:57:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Of, of how.
00:48:57:03 – 00:49:07:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I would say enhancing our physical presence. So it’s very interesting that all these things that are all this study of energy that I have done mainly during the pandemic.
00:49:08:07 – 00:49:08:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Has.
00:49:08:13 – 00:49:13:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Really take me back to the to Chinese medicine. And I did better because they really.
00:49:13:17 – 00:49:14:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Understood.
00:49:15:01 – 00:49:18:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Energy, as you see the chakra, the chakras.
00:49:18:03 – 00:49:18:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You.
00:49:18:15 – 00:49:26:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Have this huge spine which you have this this nerve system to the spine. So you have this.
00:49:26:10 – 00:49:26:23
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Current.
00:49:27:08 – 00:49:47:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And then what you teach, what you talk about chakras structures are like vortices, so it tells you that these are the magnetic fields of that current. So it’s, it makes sense if it combines, you know, the idea of, of Chinese medicine. And you know, they’re very complementary in that sense.
00:49:47:17 – 00:50:17:20
Nathan Crane
You know, it blows my mind about that is yeah, it blows my mind about that is, you know, this is are you Veda and you know, the chocolate system, the energy system, you know, from ancient India. I mean, we’re talking thousands of years old, right? Potentially 5000 plus years old, 7000 years old. And just like you said, they knew that we had we have this energetic communication system that runs from the top of the head to our tailbone.
00:50:18:02 – 00:50:44:21
Nathan Crane
And physically that’s our spine. But we also, as you said, we can measure the magnetism from our heart and from the other areas of our body, literally sending out a magnetic vibration just as they draw, you know, people who who don’t really understand it, you know, might look at the chakra system on a drawing and just say, Oh, that’s just some hippie dippy yoga, you know, whatever.
00:50:45:06 – 00:51:11:17
Nathan Crane
But they knew they knew what was going on with the body. And our modern science has proven that what they knew was true, that our body is this electro magnetic, incredible device that is constantly sending out, you know, signals of energy and flowing up and down the spine, just as they have drawn to pictures and have meditated on, you know, for thousands of years.
00:51:12:02 – 00:51:41:22
Nathan Crane
And we’re just now starting to understand it scientifically. It still baffles me today to think that, you know, without all of our modern scientific equipment, that somehow five or 7000 years ago, they knew all this stuff, that our science is now proving through all this, you know, modern equipment. And it’s like, do we really need all that equipment to understand, you know, what’s really going on with with our mind and body and emotions and spirit?
00:51:43:04 – 00:51:45:15
Nathan Crane
I think it’s interesting. I think it’s an interesting question.
00:51:46:09 – 00:52:15:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
But it’s incredible. It’s incredible the knowledge. But they got most of this knowledge just looking at nature. You know, it’s very interesting that that was their science studying nature, looking how nature. How do you know that all these exercise and Taichi ki gong, they emulate movements of animals because movement is like electro movement. It once you start losing movement is that you eventually die because electrons once the electrons stop, they die.
00:52:16:03 – 00:52:46:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So you need this interchange of oxidation reduction going constantly, but not creating free radicals. You’re always going to have radicals, but you don’t want the free radicals. So that’s this our actual diet. What it does, it increases the the it pushes to the oxidation instead of having it balanced. So that’s why we have to kill it off these process and refined foods, because that’s what damages ages and puts our body in sickness into pathological state.
00:52:47:18 – 00:53:10:10
Nathan Crane
That and stress right and set in terms of sitting around and just getting fat and not moving our bodies and and being stressed out all the time and then eating potato chips and ice cream on top of that, you know, and not, you know, it’s just no wonder we have the sickest people in the world, the fattest people in the world, the most unhealthiest people in the world.
00:53:10:18 – 00:53:50:06
Nathan Crane
And the problem is now that a lot of that’s being glamorized, you know, I think I think that’s a huge problem where we’re now calling obese people, you know, healthy and and they’re not healthy. That’s a fact. They might be beautiful in inside they might be a beautiful person. But to call a fat person unhealthy or beautiful in a glamorous way, to try and inspire other people to also be fat and obese, that’s that’s a that’s not anybody that’s doing a disservice to our children, to our future generations, to our health care systems.
00:53:50:12 – 00:54:23:07
Nathan Crane
Right to to the health of people. People don’t need to strive to be, you know, £150 overweight, you know, And they also don’t need to strive to be as skinny as a stick either. That’s also not necessarily healthy. But, you know, I think corporations have taken advantage of people’s compassion, like with COVID. What I noticed really quickly was a lot of people who are compassionate, their compassion was co-opted by the people in power.
00:54:23:07 – 00:54:56:10
Nathan Crane
And so they said, hey, take this vaccine, wear these masks, lock yourself inside to save grandma, to save your neighbor, to save everybody else. And so out of compassion, you know, people complied without questioning. Is that really the best thing to do or am I actually contributing because we’re contributing to the damage? Because when I started looking into the research on masking, for example, you know, I found a study that was about 15 years ago that was done at a campus with a respiratory virus.
00:54:56:18 – 00:55:27:12
Nathan Crane
And they proved at this campus with this study that the masks had zero improvement on the students who wore masks versus students who didn’t wear masks on a respiratory virus spreading to other students. And so I found that study and I was like, well, and then and then more studies started coming out showing that, hey, actually you’re creating this perfect environment for viruses and bacteria to replicate.
00:55:27:16 – 00:55:52:08
Nathan Crane
It’s humid, it’s warm, it’s moist. So, you know, you breathe in a virus and now it’s in this perfect environment to replicate, you know, and I was sharing some of these things online and they were shutting down all of my accounts because of it. And it was it was. But because those of us who are questioning the things we’re being told, I’m a very compassionate person, like I practice compassion.
00:55:52:08 – 00:56:12:09
Nathan Crane
And and at the same time, I started realizing that if I followed everything that I was being told to do, I actually am not being compassionate. I am making it worse for other people. But you try to tell that to people at a crowded grocery store when everybody is deathly afraid because the news has told you that, you know, everybody’s dying.
00:56:12:09 – 00:56:33:13
Nathan Crane
And if you don’t do what we tell you, you know, grandma is going to die, too, you know? And then they look at you without a mask, like you’re like you’re the devil. You know, it was a really, really challenging time. And I and I know still some parts of the world, it is a challenging time. You know, we moved to Florida to get away from all that because I was just sick and tired of it and sick and tired of my family going through that.
00:56:34:04 – 00:56:59:10
Nathan Crane
But, you know, they coped. They coped you compassion. And so, you know, I think any time that you see the media or the government, I’m always, you know, I’m always critical or questioning whatever the government says, whatever the CDC says, whatever the FDA and FTC says, you know, always questioning, always critical of it, because we know they lie, they’ve been caught in lies.
00:56:59:10 – 00:57:00:06
Nathan Crane
Many times.
00:57:02:03 – 00:57:04:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And an ever more now and ever, because.
00:57:04:19 – 00:57:29:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
We I mean, you know, that’s the way they control people with fear. Actually, you you early in the pandemic they they show on TV all these dead people. True. And most when you see that a lot of people died but it was mostly people that already had conditions. And definitely this virus would would enhance any of these bad conditions.
00:57:29:01 – 00:57:30:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So but.
00:57:30:01 – 00:57:30:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The thing is that.
00:57:32:03 – 00:57:32:11
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
What.
00:57:32:11 – 00:57:55:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Was supposed to be the savior was not really a savior, actually has hurt a lot of people. And it was basically because I mean, this was pushed it it was even more wound that they had had to do a lot with the development of these RNA things. He said that they was not to be used as a vaccine and he he knows about it because he was involved in these things earlier.
00:57:56:11 – 00:58:01:11
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Even Judy Mikovits Judy also mentioned about the issues with.
00:58:02:00 – 00:58:02:10
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
With.
00:58:02:10 – 00:58:17:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Not understanding really infections by these two different viruses, especially the COVID 19. So we mentioned a lot of these issues and that consensus paper, we kind of break down aspects of what the problem with the virus.
00:58:19:12 – 00:58:19:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
We.
00:58:19:17 – 00:58:45:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Mentioned actually there’s a paper, we mentioned also issues with the immune system. There has been this missing information, this misinformation given by physicians and by the CDC and by the FDA about the meals as we talked about them right there. And also we mentioned that about the virus, the immune system and the vaccine, all the issues that it’s really experimental and nobody knew what was going to happen.
00:58:45:22 – 00:59:05:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Actually something it’s not a real vaccine in any way, because, first of all, it does what it does to your body. It’s made to create a toxic compound, which is the the the protein us and the problem with that is you don’t know how much you’re going to do for how long A what is it, what tissues is going to reach before you create any type of reaction against it.
00:59:05:23 – 00:59:12:21
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So none of these issues were known. And now, you know, the idea was to push this thing to eventually make the make it.
00:59:13:14 – 00:59:14:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Make the.
00:59:14:01 – 00:59:36:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Children get it, because then they’re going to put it in these yearly vaccines and keep making money out of it. I mean, it’s sick. I mean, it it really saddens me how physicians have been fooled and and they do they still defending this thing, looking at all these side effects, all these damages had been done. It had done more damage than all the other vaccines together.
00:59:36:19 – 00:59:59:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And still, I don’t know. I mean, it’s it’s incredible for me. But that’s how they do it with fear. You know, this is the boy’s club. The FDA, American Medical Association, the CDC. It’s it becomes like a boy’s club. And it’s pressure. You know, it’s pressure. And they don’t question actually, when you see what the physicians really recommend about vaccines, it’s very little.
00:59:59:22 – 01:00:22:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It’s that they’re effective and it should be used. They don’t know anything about it. And I have had these discussions on radio in Puerto Rico with different infectious disease specialist. I said they told me that I didn’t know those tell because I was not a physician. I have a I have a degree in in natural medicine, but I’m not I don’t consider myself a physician.
01:00:22:05 – 01:00:30:20
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
But I say, no, you don’t understand this because you don’t know biochemistry and you don’t know you don’t know immunology. So we had this big discussions.
01:00:30:20 – 01:00:31:10
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Because.
01:00:31:24 – 01:01:05:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
They just accept things. They don’t they’re not really looking at it. It’s kind of it’s kind of, as you said, a the indoctrination. And it’s sad because we think of these people as very intelligent and they have let them so being manipulated. But it is what it is. I mean, you know, fear and and and peer pressure. That’s they have really I think they have really studied this in, you know, CIA, all these people have studied how it all influence how to affect your wrath, reticular activating system, your filter.
01:01:05:10 – 01:01:06:14
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So, you know.
01:01:07:00 – 01:01:27:18
Nathan Crane
You know, go ahead. I wanted to bring that back up. I want to bring that back up because for people who don’t know what the reticular activating system is, it’s a part of your brain that when you’re when you’re thinking about something, it’s simple example, right? Let’s say I’m thinking about buying a new a 2023 black Tahoe, right?
01:01:27:18 – 01:01:50:13
Nathan Crane
And I’m thinking about it. And the more I’m thinking about something, the more my brain looks for that thing. So anybody who’s ever buy a new car has had this example, right? Whatever car you buy, all of a sudden you see that car everywhere on the road, the same car. You’ve never seen that. You’ve never paid attention. Notice, you know, you bought that black Tahoe.
01:01:50:19 – 01:02:14:14
Nathan Crane
And how many black Tahoe are on the road now? It’s like everybody just bought a black tie. I was like, No, your brain just now is starting to recognize all the black colors because now you own one, you know, whether you’re thinking about it or you own something. So that you said that the fact that you said that these organizations understand the particular aggravating system and they know basically through propaganda.
01:02:15:20 – 01:02:37:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
They try to use the the term awareness, because awareness is for the people who are awakened. They should use the term. It’s like a focus. They they you focus only on that what they want you to focus it because if you become a word, they don’t want you to become aware. And, you know, it’s very interesting because one of the things that we’ve been looking into, it’s why we are different.
01:02:37:17 – 01:02:47:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And I think one of the issues is that we are more aware and how can I increase my cognitive power, my awareness, and we have looking into different.
01:02:47:10 – 01:02:50:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Mushrooms and like.
01:02:50:19 – 01:03:17:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Psilocybin, it’s been it’s prohibited. And I remember once I talked to Abraham Hoffer, which was a person who came up with the idea of automatic medicine. He said he came with that idea when he was on LSD, and you know that Dr. Hoffer and Ausman and Hoffer was the one that published most of the on on LSD. And he said that these things are prohibited because they make you aware.
01:03:19:17 – 01:03:42:24
Nathan Crane
You have it. I believe it. I mean, you know, mushrooms saved my life when I was a teenager because I was completely unaware and I was addicted to drugs and alcohol and I was involved in gangs and violence and anger and rage and insecurity and on the streets and homeless and living a really, really, really challenging, completely disconnected life.
01:03:43:12 – 01:03:49:14
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And I wanted to keep that from you because you seem so compassionate and so.
01:03:50:01 – 01:03:50:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You know.
01:03:50:22 – 01:03:59:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Worried about other people and good. I admire you for that a lot. And you make the change. Robert Kennedy had the same thing, too.
01:03:59:10 – 01:04:00:07
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah. Robert Kennedy.
01:04:00:07 – 01:04:25:02
Nathan Crane
It was it was it was much mushrooms. It wasn’t only mushrooms, but I remember eating mushrooms. I was like 17, 18 years old. And I was at really the peak of basically either either going to prison for the rest of my life or getting shot and killed. I was those were the two options I had and thank God I actually found mushrooms because I started eating mushrooms and they started open opening my mind up.
01:04:25:02 – 01:04:31:14
Nathan Crane
And that’s what it was, right? It was this mind expanding experience of, wow, there’s this other dimension.
01:04:32:13 – 01:04:35:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Verbal connections. You create more neural connections.
01:04:35:22 – 01:04:54:00
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And I remember seeing I remember seeing, like, the trees, like, alive for the first time. And I was like, the trees are alive, They’re breathing, They’re they’re living. You know, I was out in nature and I was just so amazed at, like, how the tree was. I could feel its life force energy. And I didn’t even know that term at the time.
01:04:54:06 – 01:05:14:11
Nathan Crane
But I could feel that like I was connected to the trees and to the nature. And, you know, I had this deep connection and this realization that, wow, all the nature around me is living and breathing. And all I’ve been doing my whole life is destroying nature, polluting it, not caring about it. And so I started having this kind of awakening moment.
01:05:14:11 – 01:05:36:09
Nathan Crane
And then that led, you know, me to to leaving and changing life and then meditation. So I found meditation and I stopped, you know, I ate a lot of mushrooms for a while, for probably a few months pretty consistently. And then I stopped mushrooms and and I stopped everything. I stopped, you know, drinking and smoking and cigarets and weed and everything and started meditating and exercising.
01:05:36:18 – 01:06:02:12
Nathan Crane
And I feel like I feel like things like mushrooms can open your mind to to this higher spiritual dimension. And then we’ve got to do the work ourselves to go deeper into mental emotional healing and spiritual awakening. Right? And so it’s funny when you say that they’re not allowed because they make they open your mind and make you think for yourself, Right.
01:06:02:12 – 01:06:04:05
Nathan Crane
That’s that’s I think that’s a.
01:06:04:05 – 01:06:06:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Powerful way to look at it.
01:06:06:18 – 01:06:27:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
But, you know, that’s what it’s called going to another dimension. What is going to another dimension? Dimension. It’s changing frequency and vibration. When you go to sleep, you go to another dimension because you change your frequency of vibration. And that’s the idea. Once you go, you you in tune this frequency with nature is that you feel more aware.
01:06:27:24 – 01:06:45:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You feel it’s like good communication with nature. We were shaman saying that ayahuasca is the way to go to get back to Mother Nature. You know, to the Mother Earth, to communicate with Mother Earth. And it’s very interesting that all these things, in essence, they are.
01:06:45:24 – 01:06:47:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Able to in to.
01:06:48:21 – 01:07:28:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Create more neural connections. And that’s the way you become more aware of your cognizance. And all these things go in. You know, there are there drugs that use drugs, but about these drugs like LSD. But those these are mushrooms that can do that directly. But I think if you use Lion’s Mane Ray see my doc as he took it all of them not to that not as quick as psilocybin or others but it can all ayahuasca but it can also create more anxiety that that this thing that I was drinking, it’s my my mushroom coffee and it’s basically legal mushrooms.
01:07:29:09 – 01:07:40:14
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
But I take it let me tell you, I think my my vision has improved since that pandemic from now, because I think I’m even more aware than I was 20 years ago.
01:07:41:09 – 01:08:03:23
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I drink. I put a mushroom powder into my coffee in the mornings also. And it’s, you know, because there’s so much science on on the power of mushrooms for brain, for cognition, for energy, for the immune system, for anti-cancer properties, like, you know, just having an organic mushroom powder three or four or five different kinds of mushrooms I think is incredibly helpful.
01:08:04:15 – 01:08:34:11
Nathan Crane
Adding mushrooms to your diet, cooking with mushrooms. We know that, you know, mushrooms are our superfood. I mean, they are an incredible superfood. And, you know, we’re right now we’re talking about kind of like superfood mushrooms, but the psilocybin, you know, magic mushrooms, if you will. I know they were doing studies when I lived in Diego. They were doing studies with psilocybin from those mushrooms, the hallucinogenic mushrooms on soldiers from war with PTSD and seeing incredible results.
01:08:34:20 – 01:08:52:20
Nathan Crane
You know, I think even better results than in therapy and drugs. And, you know, I think I think at some hopefully in our lifetime, there will be de-stigmatize and there’ll be enough science to to support. And I’m seeing it actually, like with ketamine therapy, for example. You know, ketamine is.
01:08:53:03 – 01:08:53:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
A.
01:08:54:00 – 01:08:55:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Hippies make love, not.
01:08:55:22 – 01:08:59:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
War. It’s yeah, it was.
01:08:59:06 – 01:08:59:23
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It was is.
01:09:01:07 – 01:09:02:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You know, being in love with me.
01:09:03:01 – 01:09:05:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You know, So it’s kind of settling you down.
01:09:05:18 – 01:09:07:10
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So maybe we need more.
01:09:07:10 – 01:09:07:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Of that.
01:09:08:04 – 01:09:08:13
Nathan Crane
Maybe.
01:09:11:22 – 01:09:18:11
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Shootings and all these crazy things going on. If we put it in water, maybe b-complex in mushrooms, in water.
01:09:18:13 – 01:09:19:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You know.
01:09:20:06 – 01:09:46:08
Nathan Crane
If our politicians and, you know, heads of governments, you know, went out into the mountains and ate some mushrooms and had some good trips, I think I think we’d have sort of better, better governments making better decisions. So back to your paper on this consensus paper. What what are some of the I mean, I know you all kind of agreed on an approach.
01:09:46:14 – 01:10:05:22
Nathan Crane
I don’t if you call it a treatment for COVID, but an approach for COVID, uh, a healing approach, a natural healing approach for COVID protocol. What’s the protocol that you all have kind of come to a consensus on that can help the body, you know, defend itself against COVID or any variation of it?
01:10:06:23 – 01:10:32:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
We basically talked about all the issues pertaining the virus pertaining to immune system and pertaining the vaccine. We only gave a little brief touch on we think would work. But as I told you, we have this paper. Well, we actually have the paper of the cases that we use to hide those in vitamin C I think I b vitamin C if you can’t, you do anything other than that.
01:10:32:09 – 01:10:54:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
That will be fine. That will help your life. But there’s other things as neck. Neck at least about three grams of neck will help you a lot. Causative saying Quercetin will work as I wrote for and carries zinc inside the cell sink at least 25 milligrams. If you increase more than 25 milligrams, you have to add at least two milligrams of copper.
01:10:54:06 – 01:11:23:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So it could be balanced because neither of you would create a deficiency in copper, which is not a good idea too. So neck, I told you. And we you know, we think also that there’s other things like something out of pine needle ti. It’s something that could be used. Also, it has very antiviral effects and I use I when I got codeine, I use all these things and it took me like three days and it took me three days to recover.
01:11:23:03 – 01:11:51:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Let me tell you why, because I got it on Friday and the doctor’s office was closed Saturday and Sunday. So I don’t I didn’t get vitamin C till Monday. Then I got but it was C Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Then I was working on Thursday. I was positive to hear about it, but I had no, no, no symptoms and I got 25 grams, then I got 50, then I got 50 in total and three days I got 125 grams.
01:11:52:04 – 01:12:02:09
Nathan Crane
Wow. 25 grams of vitamin C? Yeah. Yeah. You can’t get that. You know, you could, you could try and get it in a liposomal, but even then you can’t get that, that much, you know.
01:12:02:20 – 01:12:10:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
That tell you the delivery is different. It’s right, it’s okay, but it doesn’t work as fast as the Cristal.
01:12:10:05 – 01:12:10:14
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Part.
01:12:10:20 – 01:12:47:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It in the end up in actually, you know, we’ve been in a lot of talks I don’t know if you know Steve Hickey, who’s from England. He’s a he’s an excellent sciences biologist. He he has a way what he calls let me see if I remember the name. It’s it’s a dynamic flow because he thinks that you orally can obtain sufficient vitamin C to simulate the I.V., But it’s you know, we talked about it and it’s it’s a possibility of of of absorbing most of the vitamin C if you use this model, it’s it’s kind of very similar to what we call the bowel tolerance.
01:12:47:24 – 01:12:55:10
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Those it’s like taking three grams every hour, but it’s not really that much practical. And you never going to enhance vitamin C in.
01:12:55:10 – 01:12:56:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
In in.
01:12:56:24 – 01:13:02:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
In blood as high. But you know, it’s another issue. You can maintain.
01:13:02:09 – 01:13:02:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It.
01:13:02:20 – 01:13:33:02
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It’s certainly pretty high with the dynamic flow, which you cannot do with the IV. But I b you will go very high and then I’ll go it will sleep down. But in that time that it’s high, it has a very physiological, different physiological impact. So what we what we have to look now is if that high, you know, that time of the gets high could if you could equal it with having even a lower dose but more persistent you know, more consistent.
01:13:33:06 – 01:13:51:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So we don’t really know. We don’t really know. He thinks he can do a similar job. But, you know, it’s a practical thing that it’s not that easy. That’s what I did on Friday. I took it. I took it. I took like 20 grams orally. And let me tell you, I didn’t develop diarrhea, which is to signal that you had enough.
01:13:52:03 – 01:14:09:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I never developed, so probably that infection needed more. I remember a word from Robert Cathcart who developed this bottle of Tolerant Those. He said, Oh, that’s an influenza 100 grams. So you needed to take 100 grams to really stop it. And then you have to do that for about three days at least. When you get diarrhea.
01:14:09:05 – 01:14:10:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You, you.
01:14:10:02 – 01:14:17:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You reduce about three grams and then that quantity, you take it for three days, it most of the infections will.
01:14:17:01 – 01:14:18:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Will will be.
01:14:18:04 – 01:14:21:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Settled with that. But but it’s difficult.
01:14:21:10 – 01:14:21:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah.
01:14:21:15 – 01:14:31:12
Nathan Crane
Well yeah, yeah. And you’re in and when you’re taking it at home you’re taking it in, in a capsule, in a tablet and what, what kind of form.
01:14:32:00 – 01:14:40:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Will it be. The powder, the crystal will be the best form. Let me tell you one, one of the reasons is that it’s absorbed pretty well.
01:14:40:08 – 01:14:40:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
But.
01:14:40:13 – 01:14:40:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It’s.
01:14:40:18 – 01:14:43:02
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Also it’s the.
01:14:43:02 – 01:15:02:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Inner crystal. It electronically, it moves better and it integrates better the physiological system. That’s why I prefer it over liposomal although some people cannot take this because it’s too acid for them, so they’ll need the label for it. But the reports all form it. It may work, but it takes longer because it has to integrate into the system in a different way.
01:15:03:12 – 01:15:04:05
Nathan Crane
What’s interesting.
01:15:04:16 – 01:15:04:21
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It’s.
01:15:04:21 – 01:15:35:17
Nathan Crane
Interesting to me is about how all of the same things a viral infection like COVID are the same things that, you know, we’re having cancer patients do to enhance their body’s ability to fight against the cancer cells. Right? Because it really comes down to modulating your immune system, kicking on your immune system as well as, you know, things that will help to destroy the cancer cells that will induce.
01:15:37:11 – 01:15:47:10
Nathan Crane
But a lot of things are the same. The vitamin C, the vitamin D, Right. The you know, the different protocols for enhancing your immune system, the the mushroom, the MEK.
01:15:48:03 – 01:16:11:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
What I’m telling you about the mechanism is basically, for example, if you have cancer, you need high dose. Like every other day when you have an infection, you could you should give it constantly, every day. The thing is that one of the main mechanisms in cancer is that you want to create a parasite. And a parasite in order, and then you end up parasite to damage the cell.
01:16:12:03 – 01:16:27:12
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
If you give vitamin C continuously, you may restore vitamin C and create less peroxide and. You don’t want that in cancer. It doesn’t matter that much when you have an infection, because what you want to increase is vitamin C in general, because it’s it’s.
01:16:29:04 – 01:16:29:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It.
01:16:29:09 – 01:16:36:21
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Wouldn’t it would enhance T cell lymphocytes in general. And they have all these receptors.
01:16:36:21 – 01:16:37:07
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
For.
01:16:38:10 – 01:17:04:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Their receptors. So those receptors you want to increase vitamin C in order to keep these parasite inside the T cells. That’s why the competition you cannot should not take any sugar when you have an infection because it will able to compete with vitamin C and you don’t want that. Even with cancer, it’s the same thing. But that’s why you you do it every other day because you put the vitamin C, but even C gets into the cells, creates the peroxide.
01:17:04:17 – 01:17:29:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The peroxide then attacks the cancer. So and then you want that to go on. And it it’s a cycle about 48, 72 hours. And that’s what you want to do. But in in in infections we see that it’s even better when you give it constantly, like every day for three days at least, you see a diminishing in even bacterial load, viral load and symptomatology in general.
01:17:29:19 – 01:17:30:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah, it’s.
01:17:30:08 – 01:17:31:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Interesting that.
01:17:31:11 – 01:17:35:22
Nathan Crane
It is that there’s there’s such similarities between it, you know, and we know.
01:17:37:09 – 01:17:38:10
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It works for everything.
01:17:38:10 – 01:17:41:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Once you I mean the.
01:17:41:03 – 01:17:41:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
State of.
01:17:41:16 – 01:17:43:07
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Health it.
01:17:43:08 – 01:18:00:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Could be managed mostly almost the same way. Sometimes you vary a little bit. Supplementation and but the diet and the things the rest as you say less stress all that stuff is the same in not only in degenerative disease and infectious disease as yeah.
01:18:00:12 – 01:18:28:23
Nathan Crane
Heart disease, diabetes, cancer, neurological disease. You know, I look at all these disease. You know, I’ve spent over a decade really focused specifically on cancer, but in the last few years, you know, have really looked into a lot of research on heart disease, diabetes, autoimmune disease, neurological diseases. And at the end of the day, the conclusion I came to is, you know, all of these diseases, these lifestyle related diseases, are they’re just different branches of the exact same tree.
01:18:29:01 – 01:18:56:04
Nathan Crane
That’s it. Right. And if you address the root issues of that tree of of of health and of disease and those root issues are almost exactly the same slight variations, but almost exactly the same, then you address these things that we call diseases, which are really just embo silences. It’s just our body out of balance with, you know, the state that it’s meant to be, and we’re meant to be in a state of health.
01:18:56:11 – 01:18:58:11
Nathan Crane
Our bodies always fighting.
01:18:58:20 – 01:18:59:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Or or.
01:19:00:03 – 01:19:23:00
Nathan Crane
Commemorating it, looking for health. It’s trying to heal itself. It’s trying to regenerate, is trying to rejuvenate. And all we have to do is support that a little bit with the right foods, the right herbs, you know, meditation, relaxation, good sleep, you know, mushrooms, different vegetables, you know, enjoying life, laughing, living a good life, you know, contributing to others.
01:19:23:13 – 01:19:49:09
Nathan Crane
All we have to do is support that and our bodies will thrive. And and trying I mean, imagine the how much we can destroy our bodies, right? Smoking cigarets every day, drinking alcohol every day, you know, not sleeping well, staying up all night, partying, not exercising. Pollutants and chemicals and toxins and sugar. We can just pollute our bodies for years and years and years and years.
01:19:49:09 – 01:20:31:08
Nathan Crane
Our body is doing everything it can to try and survive and thrive until eventually you’re 45 or 55 or 65 and boom. Now it just it can’t take anymore. Eventually it can’t take you up. And then you’ve got, you know, that all we saw with COVID, that’s what we saw with COVID was the the the it was something it was over 90%, I believe, from the CDC, over 90 or 95% of all COVID hospital hospitalized patients and deaths were from people who had three and a half or more co-morbidities, meaning that people had three plus chronic health issues already that had been developing for decades and then boom, COVID hits.
01:20:31:08 – 01:20:55:08
Nathan Crane
And it’s it’s the it’s the straw that broke the camel’s back. And it’s sad and unfortunate. But as a society, we can address that. We have the solutions for that. And it’s not drugs, it’s not pharmaceuticals, it’s not chemotherapy and radiation and surgery. Those are not the solutions for health. Those are the solutions for trying to manage and fight disease.
01:20:55:08 – 01:21:01:23
Nathan Crane
And they don’t do a very good job of it. But we have the solutions for health, and it’s called a healthy diet and a healthy lifestyle.
01:21:03:03 – 01:21:19:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
We run out of paper, which we talk about metabolic correction and physiological modulation as the mechanisms for the healthy state, and that’s basically what you’ve been saying.
01:21:19:03 – 01:21:29:15
Nathan Crane
So how do we get this? How do we how do we help, you know, the rest of the world understand this? You know, that’s I mean, that’s what you’re doing with the scientists what I’m doing with the podcast and the work I do. But, you know, it’s like.
01:21:30:17 – 01:21:31:14
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I.
01:21:31:14 – 01:22:11:17
Nathan Crane
Hate to see people suffer. I hate to see people suffer needlessly. I hate to see people when, you know, because they’ve got bad information or no information at all, because top journals won’t publish your your papers right because they don’t want it out into the public like it’s making people suffer needlessly. And I think if with the right information, the right, you know, and you need to be inspired as well, either unfortunately, through pain and suffering, which is a terrible way to be inspired, but it can move us to action or through the desire of living a good life.
01:22:12:04 – 01:22:13:19
Nathan Crane
But we need the inspiration as well.
01:22:15:06 – 01:22:28:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The only way to change this, it’s sad, but I have to say it, the only way that you could change this manipulation of the past, it’s by an emotional shock. So you see many of these physicians that are blind.
01:22:28:06 – 01:22:30:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Or or.
01:22:30:17 – 01:22:50:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Sleeping or zombies of the establishment. As I say, once they get off, they get sick themselves or fight or because some family member gets sick instead where they they wake up. And it’s sad that it has to happen. But that’s the only way an emotional shock. It’s nothing else that will get you out of that.
01:22:51:18 – 01:22:53:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
That I don’t know how.
01:22:53:13 – 01:22:55:11
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
To even mention it. That’s zombie state.
01:22:55:20 – 01:23:00:03
Nathan Crane
Zombie sleep. Yeah. Yeah. It’s it’s like being a zombie. It’s true.
01:23:01:22 – 01:23:27:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It’s an emotional shock. And I don’t know if we can do this just by speaking, but. But at least we have to appeal to science to do real science. The science that the science that once that’s paradigm. Because the only way that science advances is with this paradigm changing idea of what’s cutting edge and paradigm changing ideas. That’s the only way science could.
01:23:27:17 – 01:23:37:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And we have to challenge those who think there are intelligent. They should question these things. I’m not saying that I’m going to convince them, but what I say we what I won’t read, but I wrote.
01:23:37:22 – 01:23:38:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And.
01:23:38:08 – 01:24:00:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Tell you if in fact, if you’re intelligent enough, it should at least make you question some things. And that’s where you start questioning some things and looking for more information and being aware they don’t. That’s why they censor because they don’t want you to see that information, because if you’re intelligent enough, you’ll be convinced that it’s not what they’re saying, that it is a whole lot different story.
01:24:01:11 – 01:24:29:07
Nathan Crane
You I think one of the best things that people can adopt, one of the best things that’s helped me in my life is a mentor of mine. Early on, I was probably 20 years old and he really inspired me to have a deep desire for truth, to seek truth, to understand truth, to always look for truth and core truths.
01:24:29:16 – 01:24:54:24
Nathan Crane
So having that deep like a willingness and an openness to question my own belief systems, to question what I believe to be true, to question what anybody else tells me, whatever science tells me, whatever government tells me, whatever corporation tells me what anybody tells me. So not only questioning my own beliefs is that really true, but then questioning external beliefs?
01:24:54:24 – 01:25:17:09
Nathan Crane
Is that really true? And I want to find the truth. I want to know the truth. You Know not not from a religious perspective necessarily, or not from a scientism perspective necessarily, but but a core truth. And I think just having that having that philosophy I know in my life has helped me so much to say.
01:25:17:10 – 01:25:19:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
To that’s a weirdness that’s.
01:25:19:24 – 01:25:21:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Consciousness in.
01:25:22:00 – 01:25:45:04
Nathan Crane
And it’s a choice, though. It’s a choice that I don’t think I don’t you know, I wasn’t taught that as a kid. I don’t think kids are taught that. And if we if we teach our kids that and we we practice that ourselves, we may never know all the truth of everything. Of course not. But I think we’re better equipped to really, you know, our bullshit meters can get triggered better if we’re seeking the truth.
01:25:45:04 – 01:25:49:01
Nathan Crane
Like, is that really true? That doesn’t sound true. Let me look deeper. That right?
01:25:49:02 – 01:25:50:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And they are.
01:25:50:06 – 01:26:01:23
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Convinced that that’s the truth. That’s the problem here. But Vince, is. That’s a to how the CDC could be wrong. The FDA, you know, we that’s not what they tell us in the School of Medicine, you know.
01:26:02:06 – 01:26:03:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Right. And the.
01:26:03:03 – 01:26:04:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Boy’s club, that’s medical.
01:26:05:07 – 01:26:06:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Of the American.
01:26:06:16 – 01:26:26:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Medical Association tells us that’s true. So it has to be true. How this guy from Puerto Rico is going to convince me that I’m not saying the truth. He’s rebels. You there was one guy, one physician that said that said how he’s talking about quantum physics. The only has a he has a he’s a doctor nutrition. What are the key to his vision?
01:26:26:09 – 01:26:44:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You know, I said well I have a doctor in nutrition. I have one in natural medicine and I have one in biochemistry now, I didn’t want to show all my all these things because that’s ego. And I’m not a ego guy. Mean, that’s that’s one of the things that not doesn’t permit you advancing consciousness if you but sometimes you have to show.
01:26:44:17 – 01:26:46:02
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Your your your.
01:26:46:14 – 01:27:05:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Accolades or something because and then let me tell you what he said. He said, I love the microphone. There’s eyes that could see the colors of the lasers. I said, Don’t be stupid. You have to understand that it’s frequencies and vibrations that are interpreted by chroma force that are in different parts of the body.
01:27:05:19 – 01:27:13:20
Nathan Crane
You got to tell him, Don’t stupid. Of course they don’t have eyes like it’s vibration. That’s just funny to these people.
01:27:14:01 – 01:27:16:14
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You’re never going to convince them when you treat them that way.
01:27:16:14 – 01:27:17:10
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You have to treat.
01:27:17:10 – 01:27:20:21
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Them like kids. Like kids. Okay, Come here. I want to teach you.
01:27:20:21 – 01:27:21:21
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So, yeah.
01:27:22:04 – 01:27:33:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You have to pass the hand to their head and say, Look, this is the way things are. Because if you do it that way, you’re never going to convince them. But, you know, they got the the back part of me, you know, I got.
01:27:33:17 – 01:27:34:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The.
01:27:34:23 – 01:27:38:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I, it got the green beast inside me out.
01:27:38:16 – 01:27:39:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So the.
01:27:39:17 – 01:27:42:15
Nathan Crane
Hulk. The Hulk came out. Come on, stupid. What do you.
01:27:43:22 – 01:28:00:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
But it’s not the best way I. Have learned a lot to kind of say I’m older now. I think it’s part of that too, to settle myself in. And I get mad. I count to ten and I said, Look, you know, of being mad. I should be sorry for these people because they’re so lost.
01:28:00:15 – 01:28:01:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And.
01:28:01:12 – 01:28:19:07
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You know, I had another encounter similar to that one. I said, okay, let’s do one thing. You read my paper and then we talk and you tell me what you find, that it’s wrong. But you know what? You don’t understand. But they’ll want these officers and he’ll understand, you know, But they know, you know, most of them will never do that.
01:28:19:14 – 01:28:20:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
They won’t.
01:28:20:07 – 01:28:40:11
Nathan Crane
The problem is they don’t. If your belief system is so close minded, which so many people’s is and so many doctors are, they won’t even look at the paper. That’s the problem because they believe it to already false. And so they won’t even look at it as an opportunity that maybe they could be wrong.
01:28:40:17 – 01:28:41:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You’re totally right.
01:28:41:24 – 01:28:57:22
Nathan Crane
Yep. I’ve seen it. I’ve seen it again and again I say, you know, I’ve said the same thing. I said, Well, look, let me send you this research. I know you’re not even interested. They’re not even interested in it because there’s no way that they everything that they were taught up to that point could be wrong. And it’s a sad it is a sad way to live.
01:28:57:22 – 01:29:05:02
Nathan Crane
I feel sorry for for people like that as well, because, you know, if you’re that close minded, you will you will never discover the truth.
01:29:05:09 – 01:29:08:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
That you are a scientist, you are a scientist, a guy.
01:29:08:17 – 01:29:18:04
Nathan Crane
Not exactly right, because scientists, why don’t you talk about what’s science, what good science actually is because isn’t good science.
01:29:18:12 – 01:29:19:11
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Well, it’s being.
01:29:19:11 – 01:29:29:08
Nathan Crane
Open to debate and questioning things and and having a skeptics mind, you know, isn’t isn’t that really part of what science is about?
01:29:29:23 – 01:29:55:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Well, let me tell you that I had a big issue in my school. I wanted to do a symposium to talk about the vaccine. And they said no, because it will show that it will people will think we are against the vaccine. I said, look, but what the hell happens against the vaccine if it’s wrong? It’s wrong. We’re not here to become, you know, to to give approval to the to whatever.
01:29:55:13 – 01:30:07:21
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It’s wrong. It’s wrong. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. We’ll have the symposium decide what if it’s wrong or not. They didn’t let me do it. And I said, I’m going to publish all this stuff and I’m going to put the name of the school. So I said, Well, yeah, but don’t do a symposium here.
01:30:09:20 – 01:30:11:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
But the.
01:30:11:09 – 01:30:17:23
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Science says it’s, it’s that with the tools that they have, if they cannot explain something, it’s not true.
01:30:18:18 – 01:30:21:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Or, or.
01:30:22:02 – 01:30:27:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You know, it’s wrong or it’s not true. And the in the science, the real scientists.
01:30:27:08 – 01:30:27:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Will.
01:30:27:16 – 01:30:49:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Evaluate everything. And I mean, for me, I’ve always been cutting edge, paradigm changing for the good or for the bad. But I think it’s the only way science can advance it. Let me tell you, the company that I that I am with, it’s good. It’s all good, said George, who said Discovery has seen what everybody else has seen but thinking what nobody else has thought.
01:30:49:16 – 01:31:10:08
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And Linus Pauling, that’s a pretty good group in October. So those are Nobel Prize winners and I have learned from them we have to be cutting edge per line changing if we want to make this world a better place. And we have to challenge everything, even our beliefs, You said, because it’s it’s the way that you encounter the real truth.
01:31:10:08 – 01:31:23:10
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It’s when you look at everything at every point of view, and then you decide, you know, you cannot decide if you’re just going to one point of view. You have to see different points of view and then the site, and that’s how science should be.
01:31:24:22 – 01:31:43:05
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s sad that it’s come to the come to the place like just said. Well, no, we can’t be seen as against the vaccine. It’s like you’re not supposed to be for or against anything. You’re supposed to find the truth and share what that truth is, that’s it. It doesn’t matter what the end result is. You’re talking.
01:31:43:16 – 01:31:45:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
About humanity. That’s the way we should go.
01:31:46:03 – 01:31:54:03
Nathan Crane
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that’s a Well, at least you could. At least you’re able to publish your papers. So that’s good that they didn’t.
01:31:54:13 – 01:31:55:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Go through a little bit of little.
01:31:55:17 – 01:32:25:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So a lot of them are important men, but a lot of them are not. So but if you Google them, yeah, you could get you could reach them out. And let me tell you, I think it’s important for us to leave all this written because it’s kind of our scientific explanation to all these things that we’ve been talking for many years, and we’re giving it a explanation, a real scientific, not a sane sense of explanation, a scientific explanation, and a it has gain.
01:32:25:17 – 01:32:51:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
We have gained respect of a lot of people, and I think that’s important. But more important than that is how we can help humanity. I mean, that’s the big issue, the legacy. It’s for humanity. Men and I think one of the issues that we want to really overcome cancer even in the late stages and we have been pretty successful with the early stages, but we haven’t been that successful with, you know, with the late stages.
01:32:51:23 – 01:32:53:02
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And actually here.
01:32:53:12 – 01:32:53:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I’m.
01:32:53:22 – 01:33:02:10
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Going to show it in camera. This one of our patients I have dearly she’s her name is Gladys Isabel. She died of a bullet hole.
01:33:02:13 – 01:33:08:10
Nathan Crane
Oh, there you go. Sorry. Hold it. Hold it back a little bit.
01:33:08:10 – 01:33:34:02
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I want you to inspire me. It’s a little girl. I. I still feel it’s hard for me. And we try to hope that we could. And, I mean, I’m sure we help her, her quality of life and everything and expand her life, but we couldn’t save her. And I don’t want to pursue that again. And we’re working hard for it.
01:33:34:02 – 01:33:42:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And I have it here for inspiration. And it’s hard on me. I mean, you know, but it should be that way because it inspires me more.
01:33:43:00 – 01:33:47:13
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
To work harder. Yeah.
01:33:47:13 – 01:34:09:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So here we are, you know, working at it. And every day we try to, you know, bring some more information to help physicians in sciences, everybody understand. But it’s an issue that you said. I mean, it’s simple things. I mean, these cancers are different. These are probably that they were exposed to some toxins sometimes when they.
01:34:09:06 – 01:34:12:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Were in the you know, in their mother’s.
01:34:13:07 – 01:34:16:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Belly and stuff. But so it’s difficult.
01:34:17:19 – 01:34:21:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You know. But it’s hard. It’s hard.
01:34:21:18 – 01:34:47:00
Nathan Crane
Well, I love that you have her photo there because, you know, imagine if every doctor, every scientists had a photo of somebody they really care about, you know, that they look at every day that they realize and remind themselves of what they’re doing this work for. Right. It’s like I’m trying to I’m trying to find solutions and the answers to help people to live better.
01:34:47:08 – 01:35:07:05
Nathan Crane
You know, And I think a lot of people lose sight of that in the project, in the research, in the in the job, because, you know, face it, I mean, being a doctor is very hard. You know, being a doctor is very hard. And, you know, they just get bombarded with case after case after case and, you know, and then it turns into this.
01:35:07:17 – 01:35:19:24
Nathan Crane
Well, I just I got to help as many people as possible. So the fastest way is well, let’s do a quick little history. Let’s see what’s going on. Let’s some tests and let’s give some drugs because the drugs give some immediate results.
01:35:20:07 – 01:35:22:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah, immediate symptom relief.
01:35:22:03 – 01:35:48:00
Nathan Crane
So. So you feel like you’re doing good for the person. So most doctors feel like, hey, I’m helping the patient. But if they sat back and took some time off and question, am I really helping people and my helping people get better or I be helping people get healthier by helping people overcome these diseases, Those are the doctors that I meet and have met over the last 15 years who left conventional medicine?
01:35:48:09 – 01:35:50:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Their medicine doctors.
01:35:50:11 – 01:35:50:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah.
01:35:50:17 – 01:36:10:15
Nathan Crane
Now they’re functional medicine doctors because when they ask that question, I’m not actually people get better and that’s why I became a doctor. So then they learn functional medicine, integrative medicine, natural medicine, you know, and they go, Wow, we can actually help people by changing their diet and their lifestyle and improving their health and all these different ways.
01:36:10:22 – 01:36:13:07
Nathan Crane
And they’re so much happier and more fulfilled.
01:36:13:14 – 01:36:15:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
They became aware.
01:36:15:04 – 01:36:16:17
Nathan Crane
They became aware. Yeah.
01:36:17:09 – 01:36:30:20
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The the the I think the basis of this is molecular medicine. I always mentioned that functional medicine is the clinical practice of medicine, molecular medicine, and we’re even changing it. We have a no different term. We call.
01:36:30:20 – 01:36:34:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It bio ortho photonics.
01:36:34:22 – 01:36:46:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Which is the the evolution of words and like water motors and going into energy frequency and vibration. That’s another paper that’s coming. And we’re inviting James Osmond to be part of it.
01:36:47:07 – 01:37:18:00
Nathan Crane
That’s exciting because, you know, I practice Qigong every day, which is an ancient Chinese form of energy medicine. I studied with this Qigong master, Master Ming Tong Gu in Santa Fe, New Mexico, for a couple of years, worked with him really closely. And what I saw and I’ve done a few documentaries with people who have healed incurable diseases by using energy medicine, by using qigong, by just connecting.
01:37:18:06 – 01:37:46:08
Nathan Crane
And you know, in qigong, the, the, the understanding is disease all comes from the same place. And that place is stuck energy. It’s energy that is trapped for some reason. And it could be from your diet and lifestyle, it could be from trauma, it could be from emotions, it could be from different things, from stress, anxiety. But the energy through your body, through your organs, through your cells, is not moving properly.
01:37:46:22 – 01:38:03:21
Nathan Crane
And through the practice, through the meditation, visualization, even through sound excuse me, you can move that energy and then you see incredible results happen.
01:38:04:15 – 01:38:27:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Even changes in dimension. As I mentioned you earlier, that these shamans do listen. They they put you in a trance in a specific dimension. So all this is important. All these the movement of energy is the most important thing. It has to be moving. Electrons have to be moving. If not, we’re not alive.
01:38:28:04 – 01:39:14:24
Nathan Crane
I think energy medicine is a major part of the future of medicine. And it’s really cool that you’re, you know, through COVID, it’s led you to research, you know, quantum mechanics and really dive into energy medicine, because I think the more doctors and scientists who dive into it understand it and want to share it and explore it and help more people understand it, you know, we can we can I think we can resolve a lot of problems by realizing that everything’s energy and we have the control through our brains, through our minds, through our hearts to direct that energy towards healing and towards health because everything’s vibration and we have the ability to literally manipulate
01:39:14:24 – 01:39:17:19
Nathan Crane
and transform that vibration.
01:39:18:14 – 01:39:19:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Well, that’s.
01:39:19:03 – 01:39:21:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
A lot said, if you want to know the secrets of the universe.
01:39:21:18 – 01:39:21:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I.
01:39:22:01 – 01:39:26:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.
01:39:26:01 – 01:39:52:21
Nathan Crane
So I did a documentary on Dr. Cynthia Lee. She was a medical doctor, really, really well-respected medical doctor. And she got in California and she ended up getting really sick. And she you know, they tried to figure out what was going on with her. She ended up with chronic fatigue ended up with this sort of no, Mia ended up being bedridden and all kinds of issues going on, autoimmune disease.
01:39:53:07 – 01:40:11:10
Nathan Crane
And she got to the point where she couldn’t get out of bed for months, even years. And she knew that conventional medicine didn’t. There’s a medical doctor who. All she knew was conventional medicine, but a part of her knew the conventional medicine had no real solutions for her.
01:40:11:23 – 01:40:13:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The same thing happened to Dr..
01:40:13:09 – 01:40:15:23
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Wall with her roses.
01:40:16:11 – 01:40:39:09
Nathan Crane
Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dr. Terry was Exactly. Yeah. And she healed herself, you know, through that, I did a whole podcast with her, actually, the Walls protocol. And that’s, you know, her story is amazing. But Dr. Cynthia Lee, she was doing everything diet and supplements and all that stuff, and it wasn’t working. Like she’d see little improvements, but then she’d regress, little improvements regress.
01:40:39:09 – 01:41:00:06
Nathan Crane
And so she wasn’t even with all the diet changes and supplementation and all of that, she wasn’t really getting better. And then she found energy medicine, she found qigong, and she couldn’t even get up to practice it out of bed. So she would visualize herself practicing it and she she would get a little better. She’d get a little better.
01:41:00:06 – 01:41:02:09
Nathan Crane
She got a little more energy. She a little more energy to.
01:41:02:09 – 01:41:03:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The point where she.
01:41:03:15 – 01:41:10:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Also did he when he got when he got injured, he imagined himself reconstructing his body. And he did I mean, incredibly.
01:41:10:24 – 01:41:37:02
Nathan Crane
Oh, you’re talking about dispenser. Yeah. So? So Dr. Cynthia. So she got to the point where she could practice standing and then she could practice every day for from 5 minutes to 10 to 20. And then she started practicing even up to even up to a few hours a day, you know, spread throughout the day. And all of a sudden she got to the point where she got her entire life back.
01:41:37:05 – 01:41:57:18
Nathan Crane
She got she was because she was athletic. She would go, you hiking and camping with her kids and her family and all this stuff. And and all of a sudden, she couldn’t do that for years and years. And just through Qigong, through energy medicine, she was able to heal all of this stuff going on. And got to the point, you know, she wrote a book about it, She talks about it, she travels.
01:41:57:18 – 01:42:18:06
Nathan Crane
And now she’s an amazing person. But to see somebody like her and she’s one out of many, many cases like that, that word energy, medicine helped them heal from incurable diseases. And I really it is, you know, the way of the future. It’s a way of the past, too. It’s a way of it’s an ancient medicine, thousands of years old.
01:42:18:22 – 01:42:19:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And.
01:42:19:10 – 01:42:21:06
Nathan Crane
The way of the future.
01:42:21:06 – 01:42:27:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Well, let me tell you, all these ideas really get me back to the Chinese and your better medicine.
01:42:27:17 – 01:42:28:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I mean.
01:42:28:14 – 01:42:30:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You know, it’s incredible how these.
01:42:30:03 – 01:42:31:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
People they.
01:42:31:05 – 01:42:58:11
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Were right in and that’s all these now we have all these advancements in technology. We should use it in order to enhance energy. And I I’m looking into different things. As I told you about I.V. lasers, intravenous lasers of a hyper barrack chamber, infrared sauna, all these things are you could tie them together and have a whole protocol to.
01:42:58:11 – 01:43:01:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Restore the.
01:43:02:07 – 01:43:03:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The healthy state.
01:43:03:13 – 01:43:35:03
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Yeah. Well, and you know, and that’s, that’s kind of my that’s kind of what I do with my own life is, you know, I do qigong every morning, I do an ice bath, I do infrared sauna, I exercise, I use PMF pulse, electromagnetic frequency therapy. Right. Like all these things to help increase, you know, my performance as an athlete, improve my recovery help prevent disease, help increase the longevity and health and vitality.
01:43:35:10 – 01:43:37:23
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Because it can be good if you doing all that stuff.
01:43:38:05 – 01:44:00:19
Nathan Crane
I’m well. And I put my body through a lot. I mean, I’ll train. I’ll train hard and heavy, you know, for 4 to 5 hours a day, many days. So I’m destroying my body every single day. Very, very hard weights and cardio and Olympic weightlifting and running. And you know a lot of I’m just destroying my body every day.
01:44:00:19 – 01:44:06:24
Nathan Crane
So it’s like for me, I have to do I believe I need to do these things.
01:44:07:03 – 01:44:18:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So I do some exercise. I don’t do as strong as I used to because I don’t have much time, but I will always take at least one hour to do. Sometimes I rollback most of the time weight weights.
01:44:18:04 – 01:44:18:14
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
But.
01:44:18:15 – 01:44:38:02
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
One of the things I destroy my body is playing basketball. I still play master basketball, but my knee is all messed up, my left knee and I go this joint and then I get I get injected with BPC 157 I get exposed so stem cells and everything, and then I go destroy myself again.
01:44:38:02 – 01:44:39:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Ruins. You know.
01:44:39:00 – 01:45:03:15
Nathan Crane
So what’s interesting is, you know, a lot of my cancer research and the research that I have and coaching other cancer patients, their own health protocols has led me to discovering these things for my own health as an athlete. You know, so it’s funny because it’s like the same stuff that you’re going to do to help prevent or fight against cancer is the same stuff you’re going to do to increase your human performance and human optimization.
01:45:04:00 – 01:45:13:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s it’s a lot of it’s the same stuff, you know, maybe different intensities and different levels, but it’s it’s the same very similar protocols.
01:45:15:00 – 01:45:18:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
You know, I think one of the things that I am proud of, it’s that I’ve been.
01:45:18:19 – 01:45:19:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Able to put.
01:45:19:22 – 01:45:32:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
All these things kind of together. And I’m really proud of that because there’s a lot of information, isolated information on different things, and we try to compile them together and make them make sense.
01:45:32:11 – 01:45:32:12
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Of.
01:45:33:01 – 01:45:34:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Domestic abuse.
01:45:34:14 – 01:45:35:21
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Of how these work.
01:45:35:21 – 01:45:39:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And basically everything is energy need, that everything is energy, man.
01:45:39:18 – 01:45:40:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It’s incredible.
01:45:41:09 – 01:45:56:17
Nathan Crane
I love I love that that’s the direction you’re headed in. Your research, I know you’ve got some papers on, you know, quantum mechanics already, and I’m excited to see what more you publish. So please keep sending them to me as you as I put them out there.
01:45:56:18 – 01:45:58:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
And the next one, it’s called Bio.
01:45:59:10 – 01:46:01:05
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Bio Ortho Photonics.
01:46:01:15 – 01:46:03:09
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The evolution of the regular.
01:46:03:09 – 01:46:05:03
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Mode is a nice.
01:46:05:14 – 01:46:07:02
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
One. That’s the next one coming.
01:46:07:13 – 01:46:16:23
Nathan Crane
So if people want to, you know, read your papers, they want to support your work, they want to find you. Like, where can they find you online?
01:46:18:05 – 01:46:28:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Well, the best thing, it’s my email. It’s Michael Dot Gonzalez, busy at the end five Michael Dot Gonzalez five at Newport Edu.
01:46:29:22 – 01:46:33:14
Nathan Crane
Michael dot Gonzalez five at.
01:46:34:04 – 01:46:35:07
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
PR.
01:46:35:13 – 01:46:36:23
Nathan Crane
Dot edu.
01:46:37:14 – 01:46:37:22
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yup.
01:46:38:12 – 01:46:38:20
Nathan Crane
Okay.
01:46:39:20 – 01:46:45:20
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So all the everybody that writes to me, I will answer I may not answer quickly, but I will eventually answer.
01:46:46:08 – 01:46:55:04
Nathan Crane
And and the author molecular website has all of your all of your articles published.
01:46:55:15 – 01:47:06:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Oh, there’s some there, but probably not all of them. But if you’re interested in something, you could ask me for it. Or you could Google up my name and the topic and it will probably appear.
01:47:07:08 – 01:47:10:05
Nathan Crane
Okay, good. Are you on social media or anything like that?
01:47:10:13 – 01:47:11:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Facebook basically.
01:47:12:11 – 01:47:14:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Twitter. So awesome.
01:47:14:16 – 01:47:17:15
Nathan Crane
Okay, so they didn’t they didn’t kick you off Facebook.
01:47:18:01 – 01:47:20:19
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
They did for three days because I said vitamin C.
01:47:21:24 – 01:47:23:17
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Can can be.
01:47:23:17 – 01:47:27:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Used as therapy for COVID 19. So they keep me for three days.
01:47:28:04 – 01:47:31:07
Nathan Crane
Isn’t that crazy? They punish you for trying to help people.
01:47:31:07 – 01:47:36:06
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It’s not actually, I didn’t say anything against the vaccine. I just said that Buddy Lindsey.
01:47:37:12 – 01:47:38:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Could help you treat.
01:47:38:18 – 01:47:43:04
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
COVID 19. It’s a good therapy. Well, COVID 19 and I was kicked out for three days.
01:47:43:17 – 01:47:58:06
Nathan Crane
Yep. Yeah, I’m Facebook gym. Never been there more than once. Been in Facebook jail more than once. And it’s sad what’s going on with censorship. But thank you. Thank you for the work that you have done. You’ve done tremendous amount of work.
01:47:58:17 – 01:48:00:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
It’s been fun talking to you.
01:48:00:01 – 01:48:23:13
Nathan Crane
Nathan was a great time getting to meet you and talk with you as well. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate seriously, you know, the the amount of effort and time and energy and passion and love that you put into your work and into you know, it’s not easy researching these things and pulling together all of these, you know, coauthors and publishing these papers and you’ve done hundreds of them.
01:48:23:13 – 01:48:28:18
Nathan Crane
I mean, it’s just it’s incredible what you’ve done. So thank you. And so please keep doing it. We need it.
01:48:28:20 – 01:48:36:18
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So we need to do that. I mean, it’s always saying can advance and we’re trying to help the most people that we can. So we have to leave that legacy.
01:48:37:03 – 01:48:41:09
Nathan Crane
Will you publish it and then bring it to me and then we’ll share it with the world?
01:48:41:23 – 01:48:42:02
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Yeah.
01:48:42:16 – 01:49:01:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
I also like to thank Dr. George Miranda, who has been a great help to me of all these publications and doctor and engineer wholesale out of the WHO has sponsored many of this research and stuff. So and Dr. Hugh Jordan, who was my mentor.
01:49:01:18 – 01:49:01:24
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
In.
01:49:01:24 – 01:49:05:01
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
The in the Center for Improvement Human Functioning now the.
01:49:05:02 – 01:49:06:00
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Jordan clinic.
01:49:06:00 – 01:49:18:15
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
So I owe a lot of these things to him, like Pauling, Abraham Hoffer, Andrew So then and now I’m a good friend of yours too. And I also you.
01:49:18:15 – 01:49:19:02
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Your.
01:49:20:11 – 01:49:31:14
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Telling me that you appreciate my work and I appreciate yours because that’s the only way these things can get out there because of your work and your commitment and your dedication. So I appreciate that and I thank you for that, too.
01:49:32:21 – 01:49:36:00
Nathan Crane
My pleasure. My pleasure. All right. Thank you so much.
01:49:36:07 – 01:49:36:16
Michael J Gonzalez, NMD
Thank you.