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Audio Transcript
(This transcript was auto-generated so there may be some errors)
00:00:00:00 – 00:00:19:21
Nathan Crane
Everybody, welcome back to the podcast and super excited to be joined by koya Webb. I met koya. She’s probably somewhere between ten, 12 years ago. I think at I think I met you koya at a period convention the first time.
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Koya Webb
Oh.
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Nathan Crane
I think so. Either that or through or through the Raw Living Expo that I was helping produce years ago. Did you ever speak at one of our expos? Yeah, I think we met at a either a period convention a long time ago or one of the real living expos that I was helping produce. I can’t remember which one do you remember?
00:00:40:20 – 00:00:53:07
Koya Webb
It could have been either of those because I was in my year of yes. When we met, I was saying yes to everything, every everyone that asked me to do. And then I was like, yes, sure. So I had to learn my lesson. So it was probably one of those.
00:00:53:17 – 00:01:19:09
Nathan Crane
It’s it’s it’s been a while. And I mean, I’ve just followed your work over the years, and I just see you continuing to thrive and continue to help so many people. You’ve since in the last few years come out with a pretty epic book, Make Let Your Fears Make You Fierce. And for those who don’t know, Coya Coya is a sought after holistic health and wellness coach and motivational speaker.
00:01:19:23 – 00:01:45:10
Nathan Crane
Her get loved up yoga, school and community of teachers inspire millions worldwide to practice more self-care. Social justice and eco friendly living. She’s a highly regarded expert and editorial contributor with tons of media outlets and has worked with a roster celebrity clients. Her mission is to inspire optimal health and well-being worldwide. You have definitely been doing that and awesome to have you on the podcast.
00:01:45:11 – 00:01:50:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I think it’s been two or three years since we last spoke, so it’s pretty cool to reconnect with you.
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Koya Webb
Thank you. It’s pretty cool to be here. And thank you for.
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Koya Webb
All the work you’re doing in this space. Like, you’re really like, you know, coming out and really supporting others, you know, in the movement. And I think that’s just so powerful.
00:02:03:16 – 00:02:04:24
Koya Webb
So thank you for having me.
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Nathan Crane
Yeah, thank you. And you’ve also been a plant based athlete for a long time, haven’t you?
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Koya Webb
Yeah, for a long time. It’s been 18 years.
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Koya Webb
I can’t even keep up anymore.
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Nathan Crane
What? What was your initial kind of impetus to go plant based?
00:02:23:11 – 00:02:43:06
Koya Webb
To be honest, initially it was just curiosity. Like, I am an experimentalist and I’m very much into health and wellness since it’s just a little girl, to be honest, I would see my father mother never let me go to the doctor. They were always like, you know, drink some water and take a nap. You know, that was their solution to everything.
00:02:43:06 – 00:02:49:10
Koya Webb
And I remember reaching in the bookshelf and getting the Natural Remedies book and natural curiosity.
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Koya Webb
From a.
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Koya Webb
Child. I was always interested in natural health and wellness. I think I was also in love with animals. I had cats and dogs and they were just able to run.
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Koya Webb
Roam.
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Koya Webb
Free on our property. I was a country girl. I lived out in the country.
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Koya Webb
I remember the first.
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Koya Webb
Time I remember having compassion for animal was when I, the hunters would come by and they would want to shoot deer in. And they were like, Come and ask my father, can we, you know, a deer?
00:03:20:23 – 00:03:33:18
Koya Webb
And I beg my delicately, my deer on the property that I’ll let them kill me if you want them. I was very connected to Bambi and specifically not knowing I was eating Wilber and all the other animals.
00:03:35:04 – 00:03:40:17
Nathan Crane
Bambi, we got to save Bambi. But the pigs and the pigs and the cows, we couldn’t really kill them.
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Koya Webb
Where we can get it, you know, was out. But now it was really funny how when you pay attention to young kids, how they don’t really.
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Koya Webb
Connect to what’s on their plate so that to animals and then when.
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Koya Webb
They do, they’re there. A lot of them are very, very much horrified. And and so for me, it was it was, I.
00:04:01:11 – 00:04:26:07
Koya Webb
Think, innate in me when I was young. But it wasn’t until I started just getting curious about health and wellness, and it started with wellbeing. So it started with me working at a vegetarian restaurant and picking up a book called The Mucus Lift Diet. And it was all about getting that mucus and congestion out of your system. So there was a lot of I had a lot of phlegm and I ran track and field and I was always like.
00:04:26:17 – 00:04:34:19
Koya Webb
You know, hawking up luggages and, you know, it was very gross. And so I was like, I want to get rid of this mucus. And so mostly the mucus.
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Koya Webb
Diet was getting rid of a lot of gluten.
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Koya Webb
But it was all it was also.
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Koya Webb
Very much so plant based and then I read the book just staying, getting all the health books from.
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Koya Webb
Luke, who I call my Mexican daddy.
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Koya Webb
The owner of Ranch House Markets, his name was Marcus Mowatt. He gave me the Rainbow Green Live Food Cuisine. I think those about Gabriel cousins.
00:04:57:15 – 00:04:59:21
Nathan Crane
As Gabriel cousins. Yeah. Yeah.
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Koya Webb
So Gabriel Cousins kind of introduced me through the rainbow green lives through cuisine, just the beauty of eating more plant. And I liked.
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Koya Webb
Who I’m going to try and.
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Koya Webb
I tried it and people started saying.
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Koya Webb
Man, you.
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Koya Webb
Glow. And I really love that company. Not just you’re.
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Koya Webb
Beautiful, you should be a motto, which you know you hear, but you glow. I don’t know. It was something about that, that complement.
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Koya Webb
That was really exciting. And I felt.
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Koya Webb
Better.
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Koya Webb
And I gluten. So I was not having all the mucus. I had more.
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Koya Webb
Energy and I was looking better and glowing. And so I was like, This is.
00:05:36:23 – 00:06:05:21
Koya Webb
Awesome, but I love food. I’m a foodie. I’ve always been a foodie since I was a little girl. And I was like, Well, I love desserts, so as long as I can do desserts, then I can do this vegan thing. And so I just got curious and I love I’m a recipe developer, so I love creating recipes. So in this restaurant, Ranchos I was in the back kitchen creating all the vegan burgers, so I would get all the vegan recipe books and I would just create all these and they would sell the cuisine that I would create and it would do very well.
00:06:06:03 – 00:06:07:05
Koya Webb
So in that season.
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Koya Webb
I was like, Oh my goodness, this is a lifestyle. I feel good. I can create these core recipes.
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Koya Webb
And that’s.
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Koya Webb
How it began.
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Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s awesome. It usually starts with like a book or a documentary or being inspired by somebody, right? I think the first film that I saw that really started to inspire me to make major changes in my diet was Have you ever seen the beautiful truth this about Max Gerson and the Gerson therapy and healing cancer with, you know, Gerson therapy, things like that.
00:06:41:22 – 00:07:05:22
Nathan Crane
It’s an old film. Yeah, it’s an old film. It’s it’s not easily like. It’s not that. Well spread that I know of. Like, I don’t know where you can get the film. I don’t know if you can even buy it. You might be able to, I’m going to look into it. But that that film was like one of the very first ones early on that like inspired me to be like, whoa, diet has a major impact in our health.
00:07:05:22 – 00:07:23:24
Nathan Crane
And, you know, adding more plants and fresh foods to my diet. And from then it was, you know, you watch another documentary, you read a book, you start looking at some science, you start talking to people to start making changes. Like you said, you know, an experimental list. It’s like, I think that’s the best thing we can do as human beings.
00:07:23:24 – 00:07:46:22
Nathan Crane
To develop ourselves to our higher potential is learn about something that really seems to be good for you and then actually experiment with it, right? Like it’s one thing to be like, oh yeah, juicing, you know, a seven day juice fast changed somebody’s life and they were able to heal some some chronic digestive stuff going on or some skin issues or whatever.
00:07:46:22 – 00:08:02:20
Nathan Crane
They look good. They’re grateful. That’s great. But then do nothing about it, you know, never try it, never experiment with is like, yeah, but that’s for them, you know, it’s not for me. And I think that’s one of the best things we can do is be like, Oh, you know what? That was amazing for the people that I talked to.
00:08:02:21 – 00:08:27:19
Nathan Crane
Maybe I should give it a try. And I’ve always had that mindset. I had friends who were like, Hey, we’re doing this cleanse. This was before I ever done a cleanse or new to cleanse was like, Yeah, we’re doing this cleanse. It’s five days. You want to join? I was like, Sure. I was like, What’s a cleanse? And then ended up being like the the master cleanse, you know, it’s like lemon water, maple sirup and cayenne pepper.
00:08:27:19 – 00:08:52:24
Nathan Crane
That’s all you drink for like five days to a week. And it was life changing for me. And I think that’s like those are kinds of things that I think can help inspire people to recognize that, hey, your health has to start somewhere. And it starts with making, you know, some kind of change in yourself and your diet and your habits so that you can actually start to feel better.
00:08:52:24 – 00:09:03:09
Nathan Crane
And as you were talking about, you were starting to feel better. What were some other things that you were starting to experiment with or starting to experience with your own health as you drove down this rabbit hole?
00:09:04:00 – 00:09:11:10
Koya Webb
While I definitely did the master cleanse, I did the master cleanse before I even went vegan. They call it the massive cleanse, eliminate diet.
00:09:11:10 – 00:09:20:01
Koya Webb
And I actually really loved it, except for the fact that I started. And that was when I.
00:09:20:01 – 00:09:23:21
Koya Webb
Was wearing white. I’m never going to forget it. I run like every morning here.
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Koya Webb
I’m going, wow, for my run day one because in addition to those ingredients, I don’t know if you did this because some people skip it, but you take the salt water flesh and the salt water flesh is like.
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Koya Webb
I want to say, at least.
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Koya Webb
Eight to.
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Koya Webb
16 ounces of water with a tablespoon of salt and it does internal cleanse. And so you drink this in a morning on an empty stomach and you wait. You’re supposed to do it before you wake up and the weight and then you go to the bathroom. It cleanses you out and then you go on about your day. Well, it was time for my run and I had.
00:09:55:15 – 00:09:57:09
Koya Webb
And you know, went, Yeah.
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Koya Webb
And just let it go. I’ll be fine. It’s going to take a little more time. I guess all of the movement kind of, you know, roughing things up a little bit. And then I was running back home grounds de la Guardia like, you know, I was doing great in the shower and got it cleaned up pretty quickly. But yeah, I still love the magic that I.
00:10:23:07 – 00:10:24:19
Koya Webb
Actually did it for almost.
00:10:24:19 – 00:10:33:19
Koya Webb
A month. My mom thought I was trying to kill myself and she’s trying to force feed me while I was asleep and telling me to eat. But it was so good because.
00:10:33:19 – 00:10:54:05
Koya Webb
It gave me that that feeling of what it feels like to feel, you know, completely clean inside out. And I feel like I also didn’t know I can go that long without actually eating and be okay. And I think those two things like seeing those two things.
00:10:54:18 – 00:10:55:02
Koya Webb
Helps.
00:10:55:02 – 00:11:10:16
Koya Webb
Me and my vegan journey because a lot of times they’re especially as much as I travel, there’s not food available. So to know that I’m not going to die or pass out because some people don’t know that they feel like, oh, I remember I was doing the zone diet. I thought I had to eat five times a day, minimum three times a day.
00:11:11:11 – 00:11:27:01
Koya Webb
And a lot of people don’t know about fasting and how fasting is so good for the body. So I started I did the master plan was something I explored around that time. Also intermittent fasting, which I still do. And those things just help you.
00:11:27:21 – 00:11:28:14
Koya Webb
Give your.
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Koya Webb
Body a time to rest and recover so that you can be an optimal health. And I think I definitely think plant based diet, vegan diet is optimal is all about like optimal health. And then also, you know, the master cleanse in a minute basket, all those things when done the right way, if it’s in alignment like I know everyone, it’s not everything is not for everyone.
00:11:50:16 – 00:12:00:01
Koya Webb
But if you learn to get the nutrients and vitamins that you need, it can be a very, very, very optimal way of living.
00:12:00:19 – 00:12:26:00
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I think it’s very interesting. It’s a it’s a similar path. So many of us walk down through kind of a natural progression of events. It’s like a sequence of like, I know for for myself and even for you and many others I’ve talked to, it’s like you do a cleanse and then all of a sudden after a cleanse, it’s like you’re drawn towards more fresh, real plant foods.
00:12:26:07 – 00:12:43:17
Nathan Crane
You know, you may not go completely vegan the next day, but it’s like this natural kind of transition process that happened for me. It was like after that cleanse as well. The master cleanse, yeah. If you’re drinking saltwater, if you feel like you have to face it, make sure you’re around the toilet because it may have some liquid in it for sure.
00:12:43:17 – 00:13:06:00
Nathan Crane
Be ready for that. That’s that’s a that’s a hard earned lesson that I think many of us have learned. But when you clean out your body with fasting, cleansing, detoxing, just like you said, you feel amazing. Like I felt like I could feel my organs for the first time in my life. The only way I know how to explain that, it was like my organs were thanking me.
00:13:06:00 – 00:13:34:14
Nathan Crane
It’s like my digestive system, my kidneys, my liver, my heart. It was I had this connection to them for the first time that I remember in my life. And all I remember after that first cleanse was like, Wow, it’s incredible how amazing I actually feel, how clear I am, how much energy I have. And all you’re really doing is like giving your body a little bit of a needed break from all this energy of digesting, digesting, digesting, especially if you’re putting crap and shit and junk in your body this guy digests.
00:13:34:14 – 00:13:39:12
Nathan Crane
Then it’s got to heal, then it’s got to detox. And it’s like you just take a break from that and your body is like, Oh, thank you.
00:13:40:07 – 00:13:41:22
Koya Webb
Yeah, absolutely.
00:13:41:22 – 00:14:02:12
Koya Webb
And I take a break every day. And that’s why I now are like I love in addition to being, you know, plant-based vegan for 18 years, I now do intermittent fasting because it’s like every day, even if you’re eating, your body needs a break, like you said, from digesting and processing in. And you said when you got on like it looks like you’re aging backwards.
00:14:02:12 – 00:14:05:21
Koya Webb
And I feel like that like I feel like I remember looking in.
00:14:06:06 – 00:14:06:12
Koya Webb
The.
00:14:06:12 – 00:14:36:01
Koya Webb
Mirror at age 25 and seeing my first gray hair and thinking, Oh my God, I’m aging really fast. And now to be 42 and not to have that many gray hair, I definitely changed. And I definitely think making those changes between 25 and now, like all the changes I may have helped me re regain health and vitality that I had to start losing by the age of 25.
00:14:37:07 – 00:15:01:01
Nathan Crane
Yeah, absolutely. And you know, obviously when you’ve been in when you’ve been on this diet and helping people and researching and teaching for long enough, you hear a lot of the same questions over and over, you know, where do you get your protein? I plants don’t have protein. Animal protein is better than plant protein. Nobody can be on a vegan diet for a long time.
00:15:01:01 – 00:15:18:10
Nathan Crane
They’re going to get sick and weak. You know, all these things that you hear, all these misnomers, all these myths, you know, understandings really is what it is. Just either people heard that from somebody else. You know, I grew up on meat and potatoes in Montana and fast food, McDonald’s and all that junk. So I also, you know, came from I understand it.
00:15:18:10 – 00:15:37:24
Nathan Crane
I understand. I grew up thinking, yeah, you got to have meat for protein, for health, you know, dairy drink and, you know, half gallon of milk a day and eaten big handfuls of cheddar cheese and thinking that’s that’s health. That’s what we need. And, you know, what are some of the things that you teach people when, you know, they have these kinds of questions?
00:15:37:24 – 00:15:38:22
Nathan Crane
What do you share with people?
00:15:40:00 – 00:15:51:13
Koya Webb
I share with people just I like to talk about food as energy. And so when you are eating plants, vegetable fruits, vegetables, nuts.
00:15:51:13 – 00:15:52:15
Koya Webb
Seeds, foods.
00:15:52:23 – 00:15:58:13
Koya Webb
Those are very much very energetic, high vibrational foods.
00:15:58:13 – 00:15:59:19
Koya Webb
And when you’re eating dead.
00:16:00:12 – 00:16:06:15
Koya Webb
Animals or even processed vegan foods, those are very low vibrational foods. So I don’t.
00:16:06:15 – 00:16:07:02
Koya Webb
Even.
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Koya Webb
I try now because now we have so many people that are in the community. I try not to just glorify like I mean, let’s just say you’re doing a lot by going vegan, so thank you. Or even plant based or eating as many people as possible because, you know, we’re saving the animals and the earth. And so I think that’s incredible.
00:16:27:21 – 00:16:34:18
Koya Webb
But as a nutritionist and health and wellness person, like, I really like to talk about the energy of food.
00:16:35:00 – 00:16:35:22
Koya Webb
Because.
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Koya Webb
If someone is eating more plants, it’s hydration. If they’re eating more process or dead animals, it’s low vibrational. And so the more have Aboriginal food you eat, the better you’re going to feel. And the easier that food goes through your body and the easier you eliminate it, the more you’re going to use that for energy and you’re going to feel better.
00:16:57:01 – 00:16:57:12
Koya Webb
The more.
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Koya Webb
Processed.
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Koya Webb
Or animal products that you consume, the more inflammation in the body, the more low energy you will have. So you will have to do caffeine, you will have to do.
00:17:09:00 – 00:17:09:12
Koya Webb
Energy.
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Koya Webb
Drinks, you’ll have to do more things along with that. Again, whether it’s processed.
00:17:14:15 – 00:17:15:06
Koya Webb
Vegan.
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Koya Webb
Animal products like all those are in the same category of lower vibrational foods. And if you’re eating, that is going to take it’s going to take longer for your body to process is going to do some damage while is going through.
00:17:28:03 – 00:17:29:07
Koya Webb
Your body and.
00:17:29:07 – 00:17:45:07
Koya Webb
You’re not going to have as much energy. So when I talk to people about food, it is energy. I feel like people start to get it because they can actually feel it. And I tell them, just practice. Take a day where you have liquids in the morning. I do water, green juice.
00:17:45:07 – 00:17:45:21
Koya Webb
Smoothie.
00:17:46:04 – 00:18:03:19
Koya Webb
In the morning, just do those back to back anywhere from 8 to 32 ounces of each. And then when you’re hungry, have your first meal and then when you’re hungry again, having an and see how you feel and then go through a day where you have like a heavy breakfast, you know, your normal and just see which day you feel better.
00:18:03:24 – 00:18:05:17
Koya Webb
And people take me.
00:18:05:17 – 00:18:33:03
Koya Webb
Up on it and like, Wow, I can’t believe that that was enough food for me because a lot of times we’re eating more than we think we need while we’re eating more than we need because we think we have to. I remember being in the weightlifting community. I did modeling and I did fitness competitions at one point in my career, and I remember so many people thinking they have to eat so much in order to, you know, gain weight or gain muscle mass.
00:18:33:10 – 00:19:07:13
Koya Webb
And that’s when I really saw a lot of myths and I was able to dispel a lot of myths about what it really takes to build a muscle and how your body processes food. So I usually tell people, you know, okay, being a bodybuilder is different than being a regular person. So our average person just needs to eat healthy and get all the nutrients and minerals they need in their diet, whereas someone that’s doing it for esthetic reason and try to build their body in a certain way, they have to be more meticulous about getting, you know, all the different things that they need to actually build and gain weight, whereas a lot of people
00:19:07:13 – 00:19:22:13
Koya Webb
are mostly trying to lose weight. So depending on their goals that my answer is to say eat high vibrational foods. If you’re trying to gateway, eat more of it, you’re trying to lose weight, eat a balanced amount that you need for your energy that day, and then you will feel good.
00:19:23:12 – 00:20:02:10
Nathan Crane
Yeah. On that note, you know, for people who are curious on the science behind it, there’s, you know, through quantum mechanics and quantum physics and there are measurement devices that actually measure the energy of food. And the measurement in that frequency of vibration is called angstroms. And just like every cell in our body, whether it’s digestive our digestive system and the cells inside our colon and intestines, the cells in our skin, our brain cells, they all transmit a frequency and energy that can be measured just like food, as you’re talking about, you know, food can be measured and puts off an energetic frequency.
00:20:02:10 – 00:20:29:04
Nathan Crane
And when when you’re saying, you know, a high energy frequency, it’s literally things like fresh fruits and vegetables, living foods, almonds, nuts, seeds, etc.. They literally put off a vibration, 6000 to 10000 angstrom. So if you measure it, these fresh living foods have a high vibration. And soon as you start cooking foods, you lower that vibration a bit.
00:20:29:04 – 00:20:57:05
Nathan Crane
It goes down to 3000 to 6000, which is, you know, part of the the theory of why, you know, more raw food in your diet is is incredibly helpful. And then you go down to, you know, things that are processed or refined cooked animal products, beef, pork, etc.. And you get around 3000 angstroms. So it’s three times less the amount of frequency of energy, the vibration from that food.
00:20:57:12 – 00:21:35:14
Nathan Crane
And the theory is the higher the vibration, the food, the the more those electrons from that food transfer into our body and raise our cellular vibration, which contributes at an energetic level towards regeneration, health and healing. So everything like even we can look at the nutrients, the vitamins and minerals, the amino acids, the phytonutrients in the food and scientifically understand, oh, these amino acids when combined together they make proteins that actually regenerate your pupil in your eye or these ones generate hair or these ones generate muscle or these ones generate skin.
00:21:35:24 – 00:21:58:23
Nathan Crane
Right. You can look at, oh, we need vitamin A for this and vitamin K for this and vitamin D for this. So we can we can look at it very myopically and see how the vitamins in Whole Foods actually regenerate and nurture our bodies. Or, as you just said, you can look at an energetic level as well. I like to look at both of it because we are energy and we are also physical.
00:21:58:23 – 00:22:15:00
Nathan Crane
You know, we are nonphysical and physical at the same time. And so you look at the energy side of it and go, well, it makes sense, right? It makes sense that a higher vibration food bringing into our bodies is going to help keep ourselves at a healthier vibration as well.
00:22:15:17 – 00:22:18:23
Koya Webb
Absolutely. And why we’re doing all this science that you are, I.
00:22:19:08 – 00:22:19:24
Koya Webb
Don’t think.
00:22:19:24 – 00:22:39:18
Koya Webb
You have to be perfect. I definitely am very healthy, but I do not have a perfect diet like I am a foodie. Like I said, I go out to eat at all the restaurants. I still eat burgers, pizzas. I eat processed vegan food. I just don’t eat it every day, you know? So I love to travel. I love to try the restaurants.
00:22:39:24 – 00:22:59:17
Koya Webb
What’s good about allowing yourself some processed food here and there? I’m not saying, okay, if you’re eating a super clean, do that. I’m just saying what you’ll notice is that you’ll feel the difference, you know, and that really does help keep me on track. And that’s why I tell some people go super strict, like I did raw vegan for two years.
00:22:59:17 – 00:23:22:04
Koya Webb
And if you’re wrong reading and that’s great, but I feel like I was so strict, I end up having way too much oil, way too much sugar, and things were out of balance. So for me, me personally, I can maintain my vegan healthy diet better having a balanced amount of cooked vegan and raw being and foods, whereas some people that might not be.
00:23:22:04 – 00:23:23:11
Koya Webb
Foodies, they can, you know.
00:23:23:12 – 00:23:43:06
Koya Webb
Balance it out on vegan food and be fine. So you do have to find out what works best for you. And I want to say, you know, you can have some fun like you don’t have to. I mean, even if you’re not completely vegan and you’re plant based, you know, you don’t feel like you don’t have to feel like, well, I can’t go 100% vegan, then I’m not going to I’m not going to do it right.
00:23:43:13 – 00:24:10:05
Koya Webb
It’s like a lot of my clients I work with. I’m just I get them started with like a meatless Monday or adding more fruits and vegetables. We do crowding out. I became a plant based nutritionist with Cornell and we talked about the crowding out method. And so basically you just start including more quinoa, more lentils, more superfood, more into the diet, and then slowly a little bit at a time, you put less and less animal product on your plate.
00:24:10:05 – 00:24:24:02
Koya Webb
And then next thing you know, you’re feeling better, you’re looking better. You’re like, Okay, well, I don’t need that because I have the energy I need and I’ve noticed over time that people that are more gentle with the process usually stick with it, where a lot of people that are just like, go.
00:24:24:02 – 00:24:27:09
Koya Webb
Go, go, we can go right away because.
00:24:27:09 – 00:24:34:02
Koya Webb
They haven’t learned what’s best for their body. A lot of time they’re like, Oh my God, I can’t do this. I got to go back or I missed cheese and I go back. I mean.
00:24:34:07 – 00:24:34:18
Koya Webb
You know, so.
00:24:34:18 – 00:24:54:15
Koya Webb
For that reason, I encourage people, yeah, if you want to go, always go them as they, you know, but at the same time notice how you feel and know that even if you go because you’re passionate about animals or you’re passionate about planet because that’s great, know that it will take a little time to find out, just like a regular diet, what actually works for you.
00:24:54:15 – 00:25:01:14
Koya Webb
And I just want to put that disclaimer in there because I want people to have success because that way you’re going to keep up with it long term.
00:25:01:24 – 00:25:22:20
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s such a good point. I mean, even in my own case, like I didn’t switch to vegan overnight. It was it was a process. It was same thing, adding in more juices and smoothies, you know, adding in more fresh fruits and vegetables. And then the first goal was, you know, to stop eating beef and red meat completely.
00:25:22:20 – 00:25:41:17
Nathan Crane
And and when I did that, I noticed, oh, I feel better, more energy. This is great. And I keep reading, researching, listening to conversations like this, talking to experts, watching documentaries. And then it was the next thing, it was like, okay, chicken, right? And so then, you know, I don’t know, it’s a month, couple of months later, then I stopped eating chicken.
00:25:41:23 – 00:25:56:07
Nathan Crane
And then the last thing I was still eating was raw fish. I was eating sushi and I remember eating it and it was just like I knew like I was the goal was to be 100% vegan. Right. And but it was it I knew it was going to be a bit of a transition. I didn’t want to do it necessarily overnight.
00:25:56:19 – 00:26:29:04
Nathan Crane
It would take some time. And I went out and had, you know, our favorite sushi place, got back home that night and got so sick. I was just like, That’s it, I’m done. I don’t need it anymore. And that was, you know, the last, you know, animal that I ate probably 13 something years ago. And and it’s been really easy because staying connected to the information, to the learning, to my body, to the research, you know, constantly reaffirming how I feel, I feel great.
00:26:29:04 – 00:26:49:07
Nathan Crane
I’m actually stronger and fitter now than I’ve ever been in my entire life. You know, all these kinds of things that you feel. And also, I know a lot of people fail on a vegan diet, as you talked about. Sometimes they go all in too quick and then don’t really know what they’re doing and then end up just eating either too much processed food, too much vegan junk food and feel like crap.
00:26:49:19 – 00:27:08:07
Nathan Crane
Or the other thing is sometimes there’s like a culprit in your diet. Like, I found out corn was not great for me, but it took me like eight years to figure that out. So I suffer from, like, because it wasn’t like I’d eat a little bit corn. I feel terrible. It was like an accumulation in the system over time.
00:27:08:14 – 00:27:25:04
Nathan Crane
And then a month or two months later, I would feel really terrible for about 48 hours and I didn’t know what it was. I was, you know, trying to figure it out, talking to doctors, functional medicine, doing tests, doing parasite, cleanses, everything, you name it. And then it was like once I figured out it was corn, it was so simple.
00:27:25:04 – 00:27:45:01
Nathan Crane
It’s like, I wish I knew this eight years ago. So that’s why sometimes, you know, you switch to plant based or vegan diet and you feel terrible. There might be one thing in there that’s not really great for your body, for your system, and it could take an elimination diet or working with a functional medicine practitioner to kind of figure out what that one thing is.
00:27:45:24 – 00:28:06:05
Nathan Crane
As long as you’re getting a good, diverse profile of, you know, the nutrient rich foods, a lot of people avoid the vegetables. Well, the vegetables are what you need for, you know, vitamins and minerals and fiber. Right. So four or five servings of vegetables a day. And the beans, a lot of people avoid the beans. Oh, they make me too gassy.
00:28:06:12 – 00:28:27:17
Nathan Crane
Well, the beans are what you need for the fiber, for the protein, for the amino acids, for the minerals. So if you avoid beans or vegetables, you’re probably going to have a problem long term on a vegan diet. You know, those are some simple things and you can deal with the gas and you can your microbiome will start to adapt and help break down.
00:28:28:22 – 00:28:48:15
Nathan Crane
You know, the gassy aspect of the starches in the beans. And there’s some things you can do to help with that, too, like soak your beans overnight, make sure they’re fully cooked, you know, make sure they’re not, make sure they’re just, like, kind of melt in your mouth when you chew on them, you know, simple things like got that can help with some of those uncomfortable things as well.
00:28:49:03 – 00:28:50:16
Koya Webb
Yeah, absolutely.
00:28:50:16 – 00:29:20:09
Koya Webb
I mean, it is so funny because one thing that really helped me is I mostly eat beans and and grains that sprout. And so I’ll do a lot of chickpeas because chickpeas sprout, you can soak them this sprout, you can do wild rice, it sprouts, you could do quinoa, its roots. And so for me personally and it’s more living so our vibrational and those work well for me I have a lot of people that can’t do a lot of beans and grains and that’s okay.
00:29:20:09 – 00:29:29:18
Koya Webb
Just like you couldn’t do corn. I feel like you can still have a healthy diet if you don’t do a lot, but you have to find which ones you can do. Like I.
00:29:29:18 – 00:29:29:22
Koya Webb
Do.
00:29:30:03 – 00:29:52:20
Koya Webb
All types of quinoa and all types of, you know, chickpeas and lentils because they sprout. But other beans, you know, I don’t eat too much of them. And then onions, you know, it was core for you. It was onions for me like it gave me and still continues to give me the worst gas. And I try, you know, every now and then I could do a little onion powder or something like that.
00:29:52:20 – 00:30:10:18
Koya Webb
But if I eat like raw onions, like a friend gave me and my fiance say for our one year anniversary, she prepared this entire beautiful, delicious vegan spread. And I told her no onions and she forgot. And almost every dish had onions in it.
00:30:11:05 – 00:30:20:03
Koya Webb
So here I am, like my guys, like I’ll pick them out for you. And so he went through and he like picked them out and he ate them and but there is still onions.
00:30:20:03 – 00:30:22:16
Koya Webb
Throughout some of them. And nothing goes.
00:30:22:22 – 00:30:38:13
Koya Webb
Like you’re, you’re your favorite day. And I had the worst gas and it was it’s like, oh my God, I’ll never do that again. And she actually offers is like, Oh, my gosh, I’m sorry, let me do it. I was like, No, you know, because real food is it’s a labor of love. And I was like, no, no, no.
00:30:38:18 – 00:30:43:23
Koya Webb
Okay. And it was a gift. And so I was like, no, no, no, it’s okay. I’ll, I’ll just pick them out, but.
00:30:44:07 – 00:30:45:15
Koya Webb
Oh, my gosh, did I regret.
00:30:45:15 – 00:30:48:05
Koya Webb
That? So I think you do really to.
00:30:48:05 – 00:31:08:15
Koya Webb
Your point, you really have to know your body. And if something’s not working, it’s okay. Like we’re all so uniquely different. One, you know, my fiancee, he can eat tons and tons of onion. My grandfather ate. He’d bite it like an apple. And I just onions don’t work for me, but a lot of pretty much everything else does.
00:31:09:09 – 00:31:14:12
Koya Webb
So yeah. And then I don’t do a lot of gluten, although I can do gluten. I notice the more that I eat.
00:31:14:12 – 00:31:14:23
Koya Webb
Gluten.
00:31:15:03 – 00:31:27:10
Koya Webb
The more mucus that I have. So I don’t do no gluten because I don’t have like celiac or anything like that. But I just notice what it’s doing. I notice it’s causing inflammation in my body, so I will keep it at a moderate pace.
00:31:27:10 – 00:31:29:04
Koya Webb
And I think over time.
00:31:29:04 – 00:31:39:00
Koya Webb
You learn what’s best for you and you do that most of the time. You can have a little fly like I can eat. Things were onion powder and or small bites only. But if I eat a whole.
00:31:39:05 – 00:31:41:10
Koya Webb
Meal with lots of onions.
00:31:41:21 – 00:31:43:09
Koya Webb
I’m going to be feeling the repercussions.
00:31:43:22 – 00:31:51:09
Nathan Crane
I’ll remember that, you know, when whenever we get together, make a meal, I’ll make sure to keep the onions out because I put onions in like everything.
00:31:52:06 – 00:31:57:22
Koya Webb
That so many people do because it supposedly makes it last longer. And, you know, onions are.
00:31:57:22 – 00:31:58:20
Koya Webb
Good for you, but some.
00:31:59:00 – 00:31:59:19
Nathan Crane
Medicine. Yeah.
00:32:00:06 – 00:32:03:09
Koya Webb
Exactly. Some things are good, but I eat other things. I actually take.
00:32:03:09 – 00:32:04:02
Koya Webb
Quercetin.
00:32:04:07 – 00:32:09:09
Koya Webb
But Quercetin is in onions and I don’t get it. So when I came to Georgia, my.
00:32:09:09 – 00:32:12:24
Koya Webb
Allergies went crazy. And I never.
00:32:12:24 – 00:32:18:24
Koya Webb
Had allergies in my life before. And I did my research and I did. My son was like, why do I have allergies? I mean.
00:32:18:24 – 00:32:20:20
Koya Webb
Everyday sneezing, sneezing.
00:32:20:20 – 00:32:30:02
Koya Webb
Eyes watering. It was just like I couldn’t believe it. And so I was trying different things. And then one of my friends like, Oh, that happened to my husband, and he took it.
00:32:30:06 – 00:32:34:23
Koya Webb
And I started taking it. And this day and I was just like, Oh, that’s awesome.
00:32:35:11 – 00:32:41:16
Koya Webb
Wow. And then I found out through one of my doctor friends, I Oh, yeah, it’s because you don’t eat onions because cursed is an onion.
00:32:41:21 – 00:32:45:21
Koya Webb
And it’s good for your sex drive and it’s good for your immune system and other things.
00:32:45:21 – 00:32:48:15
Nathan Crane
So your fiance, your fiancee has got to be happy with that.
00:32:48:15 – 00:32:53:20
Koya Webb
So oh yeah, he’s he’s really out of his guys to take my purse. And I was like, That’s for me.
00:32:55:05 – 00:33:16:21
Nathan Crane
You know, that’s all. I don’t know if you do any, like, honey or or bee pollen. I do. I don’t you know, I that’s a longer conversation. Some vegans may hate me for that, but that’s okay. I think bees I actually have personal experiences that bees love us. I love to share their honey with us. I had a hive, a wild hive in our backyard.
00:33:16:21 – 00:33:34:17
Nathan Crane
And I used to just with my raw, my bare hand, go up there and harvest honey with bees crawling all over me and, like, connected with them energetically, and, and they had no problem sharing their honey with me. So, like, from that, that’s actually when I was we went raw vegan for a year. I think you said you went two years.
00:33:34:17 – 00:33:58:11
Nathan Crane
We did a year also, like we went vegan and then it was like, All right, let’s go all in Ravi again. So we did that for a year and but that that lesson with the bees was like, well, honey is medicine. It is so healing. I understand the animal abuse side of it. A lot of the honey today is, you know, the bees are fed sugar water, which is awful.
00:33:58:19 – 00:34:25:24
Nathan Crane
You know, they’re transported all around the country to basically pollinate single monarch crop, you know, almond trees, for example. And a lot of the bees are dying off. You have colony collapse disorder. It’s a terrible thing. But if you are going to eat honey, you know raw, local, organic is your best supporting local farmers. I think honey and of me is the reason I bring it up is because that’s another way to heal allergy, especially like Paul and allergies moved to a new place.
00:34:26:18 – 00:34:49:06
Nathan Crane
I’ve shared theirs with multiple people who had the exact same result of overcoming those allergies where you start, you get local bee pollen, and then you start with like a granule, literally one little granule on the first day. And then you start to double that to granules, second day, three grams a third day, just to make sure you’re not having any over reactions to it.
00:34:49:06 – 00:35:22:02
Nathan Crane
And you work up to the point where you can take, you know, at least a full teaspoon at a time, and you can do that pretty quickly. And all of a sudden it’s like allergies go away and they don’t come back and it’s that bee pollen. Getting that local bee pollen into your body for whatever reason, makes your body adapt to all the pollens and things in the air because they’re going out there and getting all those pollens and then they’re processing it and then you’re eating it and it’s like you adapt to it and then the allergies go away.
00:35:22:02 – 00:35:25:23
Nathan Crane
And it’s it’s been incredible for, for a lot of people who’ve done that.
00:35:26:22 – 00:35:51:22
Koya Webb
Awesome. Yeah. I personally don’t necessarily have honey or bee pollen on a regular basis, but if it’s like honey in something like if it’s like, Oh, they put honey in the tea or something like that, I don’t usually I go to sustainable places. There was a time where I want to say like couple of years back where I dated someone who was a singer and they really want it, honey.
00:35:52:04 – 00:36:25:03
Koya Webb
So I went specifically online and I found sustainably harvested honey and would make that tea for them. But like you said I feel like making sure that is it’s gathered in a meaningful way is really important because there’s so much abuse happening within that industry. But for me, because I travel a lot, the person it really works for me and will work for someone who doesn’t want to, you know, steal, you know, harvest a bee pollen to honey the Carson, you know, it really does work and I’m giving it to people.
00:36:25:03 – 00:36:26:07
Koya Webb
So I think that’s cool.
00:36:26:13 – 00:36:49:00
Nathan Crane
That’s awesome. Yeah. You know, I wasn’t able to stay on the raw diet for more than a year. And about a year in, I was just like, I need some cooked food. Like, I was just like we moved out in the middle of nowhere in the desert in Arizona, and it was hard to get fresh food. It was hard to do all the raw dishes that we made because we did a lot of like dehydrating and a lot of sprouting and stuff like that.
00:36:49:01 – 00:37:04:07
Nathan Crane
We were literally like 2 hours away from the nearest grocery store. We were on this 600 acre ranch in the middle of the desert in Arizona. And the goal was to turn that into kind of an off the grid retreat center. And we actually revived like a couple of fruit orchards and planted gardens and there were chickens there.
00:37:04:07 – 00:37:25:14
Nathan Crane
It was it was pretty cool, except it was so remote. It was so difficult. And at that time, it was just like, Yeah, I’ll start cooking some rice and beans and things like that. So I started so we broke the off her diet and later on I was just like, I’m not sure if the raw food diet is actually the healthiest thing for somebody to be on long term ten years, 20 years, 30 years, 40 years.
00:37:25:24 – 00:37:54:04
Nathan Crane
And there’s always somebody who kind of breaks our belief systems right by defying the odds. And we mentioned them actually in the intro, Gabriel Cousins, who’s been a friend of mine for years, and he moved to Israel not too long ago, actually. He sold his retreat center. He used to have a retreat center in Patagonia, Arizona, and he’s been a raw food vegan for something like 50 years.
00:37:54:04 – 00:38:16:15
Nathan Crane
He’s in his early eighties now, and he can still do like 100 pull ups unbroken at one time, hundreds of push ups unbroken. He’s not like big and muscular. He’s super lean, but he’s got incredible strength and muscle endurance for somebody who’s eight, for anybody, actually. I mean, you know, who who can go out there and go do 100 pull ups unbroken.
00:38:16:15 – 00:38:33:23
Nathan Crane
That’s really, really rare for anybody to be able to do that. And he’s been on a raw food vegan diet strictly, I think, close to 50 years. Last time I talked to him and between 40 and 50 years and he’s still thriving, you know, it’s just it’s amazing. It actually blows my mind.
00:38:34:15 – 00:38:58:19
Koya Webb
Yeah. I think I know a lot of people that thrive on arriving and die. And I think it’s actually possible, just like with a vegan diet as possible. I think what you mention that we have to remember is that it’s about access is about what you have access to. So if someone has access to all the fruits, vegetables and accesses, they need to thrive and they have the supplements they need, it can’t like even get the Terrians.
00:38:58:19 – 00:39:02:20
Koya Webb
Like I have some people that are, you know, they might be libertarians or whatever.
00:39:03:03 – 00:39:05:06
Koya Webb
It’s really what you eat.
00:39:05:06 – 00:39:17:16
Koya Webb
Is energetic, right? And so and then you need certain nutrients and minerals, etc.. So it’s really about are you getting the building blocks you need to thrive? It’s not about whether it’s vegan or raw vegan.
00:39:17:17 – 00:39:18:21
Koya Webb
Or anything.
00:39:18:21 – 00:39:34:00
Koya Webb
Like that. I mean, you know, there is different levels to what we eat for energy. So at the end of the day, you need certain nutrients, minerals and vitamins to for your cells to reproduce. And the hope is that you don’t eat so badly.
00:39:34:00 – 00:39:34:08
Koya Webb
It’s.
00:39:34:08 – 00:39:39:02
Koya Webb
Taking away from you more than it’s putting in. Most people in this.
00:39:39:02 – 00:39:41:17
Koya Webb
World, what they eat is.
00:39:41:24 – 00:40:02:07
Koya Webb
You know, a detriment to their health more than is actually bringing them health. So when you start getting more with, you know, more high vibrational foods is actually benefiting you, your cells are recovering, your detoxing. And so I think long term there long term vegans I know that do well they’re very clear on how to get their nutrients with that type of diet.
00:40:02:13 – 00:40:18:21
Koya Webb
But people that are just trying to do it because it sounds cool or because they want to do a cleanse or detox, they’ll do it for a little while. But if they don’t make sure they’re getting the vitamins and nutrients they need, they become they can become deficient. And one thing I saw when I was vegan that actually scared me was like a lot of people losing their teeth.
00:40:19:00 – 00:40:19:23
Koya Webb
And I was like, I wasn’t.
00:40:19:23 – 00:40:27:22
Koya Webb
Seeing any healthy vegan. So was I was really nervous about it and I was like, you know, I want to keep my see that I need to make sure it’s possible.
00:40:27:22 – 00:40:46:08
Koya Webb
So it wasn’t until I saw some healthier vegans that I was really, you know, all the way in because I did it like you did. I first out pork because I had a boyfriend that was Muslim and then I cut out chicken because they had the chip and then I cut out turkey and, you know, all the different things a little bit at a time.
00:40:46:08 – 00:41:04:03
Koya Webb
But I was looking and studying and also making these foods at the same time. And the last thing I could I think was fish and eggs. But I did that journey. And I also noticed I felt with with each thing. So I think it’s it’s possible. I think when you were cutting things out of your diet, you wanted to still make sure you’re getting the nutrients.
00:41:04:03 – 00:41:04:23
Koya Webb
And that’s the.
00:41:04:23 – 00:41:11:00
Koya Webb
Biggest thing, especially with a lot of people making the trans transition because it’s trending now.
00:41:11:00 – 00:41:15:15
Koya Webb
And that’s, hey, how we get into it is fine with me because I mean, animals and the planet.
00:41:15:15 – 00:41:36:22
Koya Webb
But I want to caution people to really get your blood work done, get your minerals and your hormones tested to make sure that you’re getting everything that you need to thrive long term, because that’s what’s really important. Like, I care about your health, you know, I care about the whole planet, but of course, you’re a human being, so I care about your health and well-being.
00:41:37:19 – 00:41:39:13
Koya Webb
You know, some people like everything.
00:41:39:13 – 00:41:44:18
Koya Webb
Else, you know, outside of human beings. But no, I care about human beings and everything else.
00:41:44:19 – 00:42:11:04
Koya Webb
All of it equally. And so how can we get the nutrients we need without, you know, abusing Mother Earth and without abusing animals? And how can we cause the least amount of harm while we’re enjoying life? And that’s what I like to have the conversation about, because in life there’s good, better and best. But as long as we’re like always like comparing and fighting, okay, a vegan is better than the raw vegan and then a breath.
00:42:11:04 – 00:42:12:23
Koya Webb
Nutrient and then the juice is.
00:42:12:23 – 00:42:25:18
Koya Webb
Just like it kind of gets a little bit catty. But when we realize, okay, like are you getting what you need? I think that’s the conversation I want to have with more people is like, Are you getting the nutrients you need? And you know, the nutrients that you need to thrive?
00:42:26:07 – 00:43:00:04
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I love it. It’s one of the reasons that I’ve started this new brand plant powered athlete. It’s to help people who are athletic, who want to, you know, achieve higher potential, be more athletic, be more fit and strong and healthy. And it’s not about turning everyone vegan. It’s like it’s saying, look, if you want better performance, if you want more muscle, if you want to feel better, have more energy, lift more weights, run faster, swim faster, whatever it is, adding more fresh, whole plant foods to your diet is going to help you.
00:43:00:12 – 00:43:20:06
Nathan Crane
Right? You still can eat meat if you want. And eggs dairy is totally fine. Like I have zero judgment against anybody for eating anything. In fact, actually, I mean, how could I? I mean, you know, I used to fish my own, you know, go fish growing up fishing and hunting deer and eating, you know, lots and lots of beef and animals.
00:43:20:06 – 00:43:53:16
Nathan Crane
It’s like, how could I judge anybody else ever? A zero judgment. But I do know that if you add more vegetables and fruits and nuts and seeds and berries and legumes to your diet, you are going to have more energy. You are going to perform better. We see it with athletes all around the world. You know, you see these teams, these professional teams, these professional athletes who switch to a plant based like primarily calories from plant Whole Foods or, you know, plant strong or vegan diet and they’re already at the top of their game.
00:43:53:16 – 00:44:16:21
Nathan Crane
And all of a sudden they eat more plants and they’re become better the next year. You know, their performance improves a recovery improves their sleep, improves their muscle mass, improves all those things improve because we’re putting less inflammatory foods into our body and we’re allowing our body to regenerate faster with these foods that are filled with the nutrients that we need.
00:44:16:21 – 00:44:37:09
Nathan Crane
So I love it. I mean, we’re on such a same page there. It’s like it’s not about, you know, preaching and proselytizing and everyone has to become vegan, whatever. It’s like, I really don’t it doesn’t really matter to me. It’s like, if you want to you we’re here to support you, guide you, give you, you know, help avoid some of the landmines that we’ve stepped on or some of the potholes that we’ve fallen into.
00:44:38:10 – 00:44:56:04
Nathan Crane
But, you know, if you if you add more, I, like you said, good, better, best. I look at it kind of like level one, level two, level three. It’s like, look, just replace one meal a day with a plant based meal or a vegan meal. Could be a smoothie in the morning, you know, it could be lunch, it could be whatever.
00:44:56:04 – 00:45:12:14
Nathan Crane
But one a day, you know, then you could go to two a day and then level three is like, you could go all in and try it 100%. And that’s why I like to tell people like, you don’t have to go all in right away, but see how you feel along the way. Take notes, pay attention to your body, see how you recover and how you repair and rejuvenate.
00:45:12:14 – 00:45:15:03
Nathan Crane
And you might be pleasantly surprised.
00:45:15:24 – 00:45:37:23
Koya Webb
Absolutely. And another thing you mentioned that I think is really important, I want to bring out again is like access, because if you don’t have access, I think one thing that I started doing, especially during the pandemic, I’ve done it before, but I went back to doing it during the pandemic. Is just growing sprouts, you know, my counter 25% sprouts, putting them in water, putting them in a mason jar where I know sprouts.
00:45:37:24 – 00:45:40:01
Koya Webb
Also have a letter scroll. That’s a little more.
00:45:40:01 – 00:45:41:16
Koya Webb
Expensive, but I grow my like.
00:45:41:18 – 00:45:49:19
Koya Webb
Own herbs and things like that. So really getting into growing your own food and knowing how to grow your own food also brings you a connection.
00:45:50:13 – 00:45:51:09
Koya Webb
To the food.
00:45:51:09 – 00:46:02:16
Koya Webb
And I think it’s really good. It’s not it’s not as hard as people might think. You can grow them in flower pots like all types of foods I love like that Instagram is really promoting, you know, Oh, this is how you.
00:46:02:16 – 00:46:03:13
Koya Webb
Go to the store.
00:46:03:14 – 00:46:24:04
Koya Webb
Get an organic banana and get this. And this is how you grow this food. Like some things take longer than others and some things go differently in different climates. But seeing like, how much can I actually grow in my climate? I think that’s kind of cool. And also you don’t have access, then you might have to, you know, get things shipped in and things like that.
00:46:24:04 – 00:46:30:01
Koya Webb
So I think it’s really important to know what do you have access to? Can you grow some of your own food?
00:46:30:05 – 00:46:33:08
Koya Webb
Because when you do, the higher vibrational food.
00:46:33:14 – 00:46:41:24
Koya Webb
Is the food that has been touched by the least amount of hands. So the higher vibrational food is a food that’s been touched by the least amount of hands. So if you grow it yourself.
00:46:42:06 – 00:46:42:21
Koya Webb
Oh, that’s.
00:46:42:21 – 00:46:43:18
Koya Webb
Higher vibrational.
00:46:43:18 – 00:46:44:17
Koya Webb
That’s your have.
00:46:44:17 – 00:46:47:21
Koya Webb
Original basil, cilantro, any herbs like that.
00:46:48:00 – 00:46:55:19
Koya Webb
But if you’re getting it shipped from Mexico or Asia or something like that, it’s still good. You know, we got good, better and best, you know, it’s good.
00:46:55:23 – 00:46:59:18
Koya Webb
That you’re eating plant based. It’s better if it’s organic and it’s best if you.
00:46:59:18 – 00:47:01:02
Koya Webb
Grow it yourself, you know.
00:47:01:02 – 00:47:09:08
Koya Webb
So wherever you can get some of those best practices of like growing your own food, whatever you do, buy from somewhere else, sprouting.
00:47:09:08 – 00:47:11:13
Koya Webb
It, you know, the more that you can incorporate.
00:47:11:13 – 00:47:25:20
Koya Webb
These little things into your diet, the better you’re going to feel. And so, you know, like, so it’s not just about going vegan, it’s about what can you do to cause a large amount of harm and also bring that process of.
00:47:26:03 – 00:47:28:12
Koya Webb
Looking at food is energy into.
00:47:28:12 – 00:47:32:24
Koya Webb
Your life. And I think that really changed the way that I look at food.
00:47:33:18 – 00:48:00:14
Nathan Crane
I love that. I think on the other end of that spectrum, we also need bad, terrible and worst. And so if you look at if you look at some like like meat, for example, I’d say, you know, grass fed beef is bad, terrible is, you know, hormone fed, you know, grain fed beef. That’d be terrible. And worst is, you know, bacon, fried bacon, you know, and people are not going to like that.
00:48:00:14 – 00:48:24:01
Nathan Crane
But I mean, you know, bacon is a class one carcinogen. I mean, it is cancer causing. Right. So if you want to be the worst of the worst, you know, eat the foods that we know cause cancer primarily because of nitrates and the nitrosamine that interact with the saturated fat in your body. We know it can contribute to cancer, but, you know, people go, yeah, grass-fed free range beef is great.
00:48:24:24 – 00:48:42:22
Nathan Crane
That’s okay. If that’s what people and believe. But you know, from my perspective and my research, in my experience in the 400 plus doctors that I’ve interviewed and the hundreds of cancer patients that we’ve worked with, to me, beef is I would not put it that good. I would put it at, you know, bad. I’d put it below that line.
00:48:43:02 – 00:48:53:09
Nathan Crane
But again, that’s not like to judge anybody. You’re not bad if you eat it. I don’t think that personally. I just look at that that way when I’m looking at food specifically.
00:48:54:00 – 00:49:11:06
Koya Webb
Yeah, and it’s just science at the end of the day because even, you know, oils that we cook in, you know, a lot of people are cooking with a lot of olive oil and it’s like, you know, olive oil is not the best to cook with because that can be casted in it as well. So it’s greater to cook with like avocado oil or something like that.
00:49:11:06 – 00:49:24:00
Koya Webb
So I think knowing these things like cooking things in the microwave versus cooking them in the oven or the stove. So I think as we start to share these conversations about, okay, what is good, better and better and I like I like.
00:49:24:00 – 00:49:29:20
Koya Webb
That, you know, it’s worth. Sara would like serve. But I think that’s important too, because.
00:49:30:06 – 00:49:35:13
Koya Webb
You know, there are levels to this, you know, and then you again, don’t overwhelm yourself. But just.
00:49:35:19 – 00:49:36:04
Koya Webb
Each.
00:49:36:04 – 00:49:54:03
Koya Webb
Week I thought we would each we get something that you can do that can be better. Yeah, right. What can you commit to that’s not going to give you a headache that is better than what you were doing before and just start doing one thing at a time because that’s how I did it and I think that’s what’s kept me in it for the long haul is just doing one.
00:49:54:03 – 00:49:55:02
Koya Webb
Day and then.
00:49:55:02 – 00:50:12:05
Koya Webb
Maybe I’m like, Oh yeah, that. It’s hard. Like, you know, we both did while being like, okay, that’s, it’s really good. And the reason a lot of people thrive on a raw vegan diet is because it’s so alkaline, because even with a lot of processed food, like cooked food, you can build up a lot of inflammation in the body.
00:50:12:21 – 00:50:36:06
Koya Webb
And especially if you’re cooking a lot in olive oil, you can even build up a lot of carcinogens in the body. But with alkaline, you’re so alkaline that the body is able to regenerate itself at a faster. And so you can experience a lot of great cleansing and detoxing on arriving and diet and you know, for those who can maintain it for the long term, I mean, they experience longevity.
00:50:36:06 – 00:50:43:04
Koya Webb
But again, it’s hard and there is not a lot of access sometimes. But I have seen people thrive in that way.
00:50:43:17 – 00:51:07:17
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And just to clarify on the olive oils, so I mean, all the research I’ve seen specifically, it’s not just olive oil, it’s unsaturated fat. And when unsaturated fatty oil, it’s not just cooked. By the way, for those tuning in, it’s like you don’t really have to worry about cooking in olive oil and it becomes carcinogenic. If if you look at the literature, what they’ve shown is that two things.
00:51:07:17 – 00:51:34:05
Nathan Crane
One, if you’re cooking any unsaturated fatty oil to a smoking point, so you’re basically frying in an is like smoking that starts to create carcinogenic compounds in the oil. That’s number one. Number two, and that gets any unsaturated fatty oil, by the way. And number two and olive oil has like avocado oil. People recommend it generally because it has a little bit higher smoke point than like olive oil, for example.
00:51:34:05 – 00:52:06:11
Nathan Crane
But it would still happen with with avocado oil as well. The second with so so don’t cook things too where it’s smoking that’s too hot and that can cause carcinogenic compounds. The second thing that can cause carcinogenic compounds in unsaturated fatty oils is reusing the oil. So like you go to a restaurant where they’re not even using olive oil, a lot of them are frying deep frying things in like canola oil and, you know, soy oil, corn oil.
00:52:06:12 – 00:52:32:13
Nathan Crane
These are pretty terrible, highly processed oils that you don’t really want to put in your body. And they’re reusing the oils multiple times. They don’t change it out. They will keep it. And it’s at a very high heat, often smoking and, continuously reusing, reusing, reusing until they replace it. So those are the things you want to avoid reusing oil and cooking in a really high temperatures.
00:52:32:13 – 00:53:00:09
Nathan Crane
Other than that, olive oil has actually been shown to be very protective. Heart protective has been shown to you know, it’s a big part of the Mediterranean diet. Mediterranean diet has probably the most peer reviewed, you know, scientific research that we have on any diet showing, you know, protective benefits against heart disease, atherosclerosis, cancer, neurodegenerative disease, etc.. And that’s primarily a plant based diet with some fish, some eggs, some dairy, you know, once or twice a week.
00:53:00:09 – 00:53:22:10
Nathan Crane
It’s very rare. But they eat a lot of fresh olive oil. They eat a lot of, you know, fresh grains and legumes and vegetables and fruits and, you know, these are many of the longest lived, healthiest people on the planet with the least amount of disease. And a lot of it is coming back to the fact that what we keep talking about is like fresh food.
00:53:22:16 – 00:53:43:02
Nathan Crane
Like you said, I’m kind of like you, like, yes, I’ll have some processed food once in a while, but it’s going to almost always be organic and or it’s going to be like not have a ton of additives and processed things in it. Now, when I go to a restaurant or traveling whatever, like you don’t always have that luxury and I’m not going to stress out about it as much when we’re traveling.
00:53:43:12 – 00:54:06:15
Nathan Crane
I’d say 80% of the time, you know, we’re cooking at home 80, 85% of time we’re cooking at home or cooking real foods, lightly processed or not processed foods. But that kind of 15% of the time, yeah, we might order, you know, a pizza from True Food Kitchen or whatever. And I’m not going to stress about it. You know, I have some cereals that I’ll eat once in a while, but it’s it’s all dried.
00:54:06:15 – 00:54:29:00
Nathan Crane
It’s dried and it’s there’s no additives in it and it’s all organic. Like, you can do some processed stuff, but you can also get lighter processed, you know, good, better, best. I love that. I’m going to I’m going to borrow that, if you don’t mind, because it’s like, yeah, with those kinds of things, with processed foods also there are processed foods that are bad, terrible and the worst for sure.
00:54:29:00 – 00:54:41:10
Nathan Crane
So, you know, less processed foods the once in a while is fine, a lot more whole foods, real foods, living foods. And you are obviously going to feel a lot better.
00:54:42:15 – 00:55:11:04
Koya Webb
Awesome. Yeah. I just want to reiterate, I was talking about, you know, cooking with the oils and definitely cooking to smoke point. Yeah, yeah. I definitely olive oil, raw and avocado oil and things like that. But I also stay away from seed oils. So like you said, the coconut oil oils and any of those and some people, you know, again, I’m sharing what I do, you know, and we we even have between you and I have different diets being, you know, vegan.
00:55:11:10 – 00:55:24:12
Koya Webb
But I think, you know, to each his own, you can listen to everything we say and take what suits you the best. But over time, having a lot of seed oils and when you look at a lot of processed foods, a lot of processed foods.
00:55:24:16 – 00:55:25:11
Koya Webb
Even vegan.
00:55:25:11 – 00:55:45:04
Koya Webb
Foods, a lot of vegan foods that are in the stores today have a lot of seed oils. And to your point, when you go to this, the a lot of restaurants, you know, they have the seed oils, too. So if you’re eating out regularly and if you’re eating processed food regularly, you’re getting a lot of these oils and it’s not good for your health.
00:55:45:07 – 00:55:49:17
Koya Webb
You could be eating like, Oh, but I ate like mushrooms and I ate potatoes and.
00:55:49:17 – 00:55:51:10
Koya Webb
But it’s literally.
00:55:51:10 – 00:55:55:09
Koya Webb
All in seed oils. And you don’t recommend like the corn.
00:55:55:09 – 00:55:56:17
Koya Webb
You said like corn.
00:55:57:00 – 00:55:57:17
Koya Webb
Is healthy. I buy.
00:55:57:20 – 00:55:58:21
Koya Webb
For. But you don’t.
00:55:58:21 – 00:56:13:07
Koya Webb
Realize over time the impact of those seed oils on the body. Are you like, okay, well, I don’t often cook, you know, but I use olive oil because it’s healthy for me, you know, and then I’m not going to get a whole another oil to cook with it. So I’m not often cooking. But then.
00:56:13:07 – 00:56:15:00
Koya Webb
Over time you.
00:56:15:00 – 00:56:27:09
Koya Webb
Are, you know, and I feel like when you look at some of these things, especially if you’re doing this for long term, you want to think about the impact over time. So, yeah, you can go out to eat. You can you don’t have to be perfect, but if.
00:56:27:09 – 00:56:28:13
Koya Webb
You’re still getting.
00:56:28:13 – 00:56:29:10
Koya Webb
Delivery every day, going.
00:56:29:10 – 00:56:30:12
Koya Webb
To restaurant, anything you’re.
00:56:30:13 – 00:56:33:10
Koya Webb
Doing on a regular basis, for me that’s more than two or three times.
00:56:33:10 – 00:56:33:19
Koya Webb
A week.
00:56:34:02 – 00:56:50:02
Koya Webb
Check the ingredients and check what you’re actually getting in your diet and make sure it’s it’s all good for you because again, you’ll go fine for a while, but then five months down the road, six months down the road, a year down, the world will be like, What’s wrong with my health?
00:56:50:06 – 00:56:51:18
Koya Webb
And you didn’t even know.
00:56:51:24 – 00:56:55:11
Koya Webb
You thought you’re doing something healthy for yourself. So I just want to mention that because again.
00:56:55:22 – 00:56:56:03
Koya Webb
It is.
00:56:56:03 – 00:57:06:02
Koya Webb
Not about perfection, but it’s just about knowing and then realizing like, oh, I didn’t know this, that all these oils were like, okay, this is in my peanut butter, my almond butter, and.
00:57:06:10 – 00:57:11:13
Koya Webb
Why did they put canola oil and bob butter? You know, you don’t notice these things are in there.
00:57:11:13 – 00:57:18:11
Koya Webb
So my one of my biggest, other biggest services like look at ingredients of every single thing it might say in the fry.
00:57:18:22 – 00:57:21:01
Koya Webb
100% almond butter.
00:57:21:21 – 00:57:24:00
Koya Webb
But look at the back because they might have put some canola.
00:57:24:00 – 00:57:29:20
Koya Webb
Oil, you know, go to these times, they start throwing what was it like? Everything.
00:57:30:03 – 00:57:31:03
Koya Webb
I think it was way.
00:57:31:09 – 00:57:45:01
Koya Webb
They were putting some things. They were vegan. And then I looked up like bars and stuff. I don’t even eat bars. I used to love bath. How do you mean? I mean when I look up there have one. So the vegan a couple of years ago, you know, so you just really have to be careful.
00:57:45:01 – 00:57:49:23
Koya Webb
On those additives and those oils and things like that because they can sneak up on you and.
00:57:50:01 – 00:57:51:15
Koya Webb
They can sneak up on you and your health.
00:57:52:20 – 00:58:27:06
Nathan Crane
So that kind of leads into the next thing I love to talk with you about, which is really what your book is based on, is about fears, the fears in our life, the fears that prevent us from living our best life, the fears that drive our unconscious and subconscious behavior, that lead our lives into self-sabotage and attract other people and situations, circumstances around us based on those fears and continue to repeat, you know, similar painful lessons over and over again unconsciously.
00:58:27:16 – 00:59:00:09
Nathan Crane
And, you know, with food, fear can become a very real thing. You know, the more just like you, I’ve I’ve been working with clients for for many years and it’s like fear becomes a really very real thing that actually paralyzes people from making any necessary changes. Right. They could come and listen to, you know, an hour or two hour lecture workshop on all the things that cause cancer, you know, in your home and around you and then leave totally paralyzed, not knowing what to do, totally afraid.
00:59:00:15 – 00:59:31:15
Nathan Crane
And that’s actually probably worse than when they went to the went to the workshop, you know, because at least they weren’t having they might be exposed to a lot of toxins in their home and their food, but at least they weren’t living in so much fear. So I think there’s a lot to be said about one recognizing when fear starts to take over our lives and and drive us to make decisions that are not actually the healthiest for us or also can lead us.
00:59:32:01 – 00:59:52:11
Nathan Crane
I think three things. That’s one to can lead us to over like trying to become perfectionist. Right. And it’s like, you know, traveling, for example, when we were Ravi and it was very, very difficult. And even after that, you know, when we started cooking it, it was still difficult because we wanted to be 100% organic. I wasn’t vegan, 100%, 100%.
00:59:52:11 – 01:00:12:09
Nathan Crane
You know, and you travel and it was stressful. It was like, what’s in this? What’s in that? I can’t do this. We can’t go here. It’s like stressful. There’s fear involved. And then number three, you know, also is like, well, yeah, the fear can also paralyze you and then you do nothing, right? So talk a little bit about fear from your perspective.
01:00:12:09 – 01:00:23:19
Nathan Crane
Like why? Why is this so important for you that you ended up writing a book about it and from your own personal life? Like what kind of drove you to help people overcome their fears?
01:00:24:13 – 01:00:24:18
Koya Webb
Oh.
01:00:25:04 – 01:00:41:08
Koya Webb
I love that you asked that question and I love that you segway into fear. I’ll start just on what we were talking about, because you said so many times, even listening to us or, you know, this first hour we’ve been talking, someone could be like, oh, my goodness, I got all these things. And that’s how I felt.
01:00:41:08 – 01:00:58:08
Koya Webb
When I wrote this book. Like the things they don’t want you to know about food. And I like, learn like there was just like garbage in everything. I was going to the grocery store looking on the back of all my favorite thing and I was like, What can I do? You know? And it could be it could be a little bit overwhelming.
01:00:58:14 – 01:00:59:05
Koya Webb
And so that’s.
01:00:59:05 – 01:01:12:04
Koya Webb
Why I often get into it’s not about perfection. ISM is just about educating yourself, understanding and taking it one day at a time, doing the best that you can. My grandma is 92 and meticulous.
01:01:12:04 – 01:01:15:00
Koya Webb
If you don’t want to know, she keeps everything.
01:01:15:07 – 01:01:30:00
Koya Webb
But we’re very spiritual and I believe in prayer. And so I believe prayer is energetic. I believe in God and I believe those things are powerful. That’s why now I talk a lot about energy. I’ll talk about.
01:01:30:06 – 01:01:32:16
Koya Webb
You know, physical and nutrition and and.
01:01:32:16 – 01:01:37:14
Koya Webb
Things like that. But I also believe that you can balance things out with prayer.
01:01:37:17 – 01:01:41:04
Koya Webb
Praying over your meals, eating intentionally, whatever.
01:01:41:04 – 01:01:47:07
Koya Webb
You eat, know, hey, this is going to satisfy me and this is going to bless my body, whatever you decide to eat, because I know a lot of people.
01:01:47:14 – 01:01:48:15
Koya Webb
They have guilt and shame.
01:01:48:15 – 01:01:59:10
Koya Webb
Let’s say if they try to begin and then it’s not working for them. So they go back, but they have so much guilt and shame and they end up creating toxins in their body with your thoughts. And I know I don’t want.
01:01:59:10 – 01:02:07:06
Koya Webb
To have you scared of your thoughts now, but every you just know everything is energetic. And at the end of the day.
01:02:07:06 – 01:02:08:07
Koya Webb
We’re not here to be.
01:02:08:07 – 01:02:11:19
Koya Webb
Perfect people. We’re here to be human, and we’re here to just.
01:02:11:19 – 01:02:20:03
Koya Webb
Do the best that we can so just take everything we’re telling you with a grain of salt and do what you can and keep what resonates with you.
01:02:20:03 – 01:02:22:05
Koya Webb
Because if you develop.
01:02:22:20 – 01:02:23:07
Koya Webb
As eight, is.
01:02:23:07 – 01:02:24:11
Koya Webb
That so much.
01:02:24:11 – 01:02:38:23
Koya Webb
Fear that it paralyzes you or you you send yourself in the lowest vibration of guilt and shame. Then at I agree it’s actually it actually can be worse for your health you might as well eat the toxic thing.
01:02:39:03 – 01:03:00:12
Koya Webb
Whether there’s stress about the toxic thing, whether you ate it or not. So just be aware that if you’re making choices, just make them and have good intentions. You know, if it feels good to you, pray for your food and and hope for the best, you know. But I, you know, but just to keep it at 100 when it comes to fear.
01:03:01:13 – 01:03:28:21
Koya Webb
What I studied in the course of miracles is that there are two basic emotions. There are many, many, many emotions that stem from these. But the basic emotions are fear and love and the ultimate emotion that one, if it, you know, went down to zero, if it went down to zero, that zero will be love. Right. And so when we’re experiencing fear on the spectrum, it’s almost like we’re pulling away from love.
01:03:28:21 – 01:03:37:08
Koya Webb
We feel fear, shame, guilt, comparison and judgment. And then it’s actually getting us away, but is also letting us know.
01:03:37:08 – 01:03:39:23
Koya Webb
Something is misaligned.
01:03:40:04 – 01:03:42:15
Koya Webb
Because we’re experiencing fear.
01:03:42:15 – 01:03:43:22
Koya Webb
So can we.
01:03:43:22 – 01:03:56:21
Koya Webb
Lean into this emotion and find out what is keeping us from love? Oh, is it feeling like I’m going to harm myself? Is it feeling like I’m not good enough? Is it feeling like I have to be perfect? So I actually.
01:03:56:21 – 01:03:57:22
Koya Webb
Teach people.
01:03:58:02 – 01:03:58:17
Koya Webb
Not to even.
01:03:58:17 – 01:04:01:13
Koya Webb
Shame themselves for having the emotion, but to lean.
01:04:01:13 – 01:04:10:04
Koya Webb
Into whatever emotions that you’re having and allow it to lead you back to love. Right? Because the more you’re having this emotion, your fear.
01:04:10:11 – 01:04:10:20
Koya Webb
I’m so.
01:04:10:20 – 01:04:39:13
Koya Webb
Desired. And I think anxiety is just compounded fear. But then when you start to say, why am I afraid? I’m afraid because I’m scared and you start breaking it down, you start journaling, you start doing somatic exercises and movements that release fear, that release trauma. Because I have a lot of trauma that happened in my life and I share about them in my book and I share about the Breathwork yoga, the meditation, the things that I did to release these traumas for my body so that I can live more freely and feel better.
01:04:39:21 – 01:05:06:21
Koya Webb
And so I teach fear as a part of this spectrum of wellbeing. And the more that you can look at your fears, acknowledge your fears and process your fears, the more you can get back to love. And love, I feel like, is the ultimate connection and this universal energy that governs everything that you see growing and thriving. And then we go through the cycle of death, right?
01:05:07:02 – 01:05:40:05
Koya Webb
Everything like our cells die. We die eventually. But if you honor this cycle and if you start to pay attention to your own body, you realize that every day we’re going through this cycle of regenerate. And so if you don’t have fear, if you’re not scared to go through cycles of sadness, of anger, of whatever emotion, of insecurity if you’re not afraid of it, if you just lean into it and say, hey, this is part of the human experience, just like living, just like dying, just like sleeping, just like waking up.
01:05:40:11 – 01:05:55:08
Koya Webb
There’s going to be light in life. There’s going to be darkness in life, just like I experience every day. And the more that we accept the cycle of life, the more we can actually enjoy life. And so that’s what I teach in my book.
01:05:55:11 – 01:05:57:02
Koya Webb
To take it on a really deep level.
01:05:57:21 – 01:06:00:08
Koya Webb
And then it’s good and then it makes it light. It’s like if you’re.
01:06:00:08 – 01:06:01:09
Koya Webb
Willing to go deep.
01:06:01:16 – 01:06:10:04
Koya Webb
Then it can become lighter. But if you try to avoid the depths, you’ll end up living very shallow.
01:06:10:04 – 01:06:33:15
Nathan Crane
Man is that so true? Holy cow. That. Yeah, it’s so true and so powerful what you said. And I love the story of your grandma. I mean, you said she’s 92 and she eats terrible, but she’s still alive and still living and sounds like a good person, but she’s very spiritual, prays a lot over food, you know, thinks positively.
01:06:33:15 – 01:06:51:20
Nathan Crane
I mean, those are all things that can make a massive difference and impact in our lives. And, you know, I want to I want to correct something I said about fear a moment ago. I think I said three things about fear. And I may have repeated the same thing twice, but such a good conversation. I just losing track of some of the things that we’re saying.
01:06:52:04 – 01:07:12:12
Nathan Crane
But I think I repeat the same thing twice. The three three things that fear because I wanted to say. The third thing that is really important and you talk about this in your book, you know, the first thing with fear is that it can paralyze you, right? And then you do nothing, which is not good. The second thing is that it can actualize your fears.
01:07:12:14 – 01:07:27:18
Nathan Crane
So you’re afraid of something, phrase, something, phrases and the phrase. And then that thing actually happens. And then you go, Oh, see, I told you I knew that was going to happen. Well, yeah, you knew was going to happen because you actualized that you thought about it, you put that emotion into it, you attracted it to your life and then you reaffirmed it.
01:07:27:18 – 01:07:52:06
Nathan Crane
And so now that thing happens all the time. I’ll give an example. Someone I know was at the was at the store the other day and his battery died. And so he called me, said, Hey, can you come jump my car? I said I said, Yeah, but can you see if someone else beforehand can you ask someone around there if they can just jump you, you, you’ve got jumper cables.
01:07:52:17 – 01:08:07:20
Nathan Crane
There’s a million people there before I stop what I’m doing. I was in the middle of cooking breakfast, actually. I was like, it’s going to take a minute. Otherwise, can you ask someone, Oh, I don’t want to ask someone. I don’t feel good about it. I don’t think anyone will help me. It’s like, All right, well, I’ll be there in about 10 minutes.
01:08:08:09 – 01:08:27:24
Nathan Crane
So I get there and then he goes, he goes, See, I told you. I asked this woman right in front of me if she would help me. And she said no, she was busy. And so she left and I was like, Yeah, you literally put that energy out. You didn’t think anyone was going to help you? You probably didn’t ask her very nicely because you’re frustrated and upset, understandably so.
01:08:28:07 – 01:08:46:10
Nathan Crane
And she fed off that energy and was like, Who’s this crazy guy trying to ask me? You know, it’s like if you are positive minded about it and been like, all right, who’s who’s the person’s going to help me, you know, maybe look for you know, not not someone you’re going to scare away, maybe someone who’s not as afraid of you or whatever.
01:08:46:20 – 01:09:14:18
Nathan Crane
And with a positive mind, you could get someone to jump you. Right? That’s a simple, simple example. But we can apply that to everything our life is like. The things that we’re most afraid of can actually become true in our lives. We are attracting that. But the number three thing I want to talk about fear is how you can use it to catalyze your life, catalyze your dreams, catalyze your health, actually create the things that you want, right?
01:09:14:18 – 01:09:36:04
Nathan Crane
I’ll give an example from my own life. There have been times in the past where I didn’t know how I was going to pay rent. You know, new father, I’m married. I’m providing for my wife, my children and, like, I don’t know where the rent money’s coming from. That’s very scary. Anyone who’s listening has ever been through that.
01:09:36:10 – 01:10:04:18
Nathan Crane
It’s a very scary experience. Like how? Like rent’s due in two days. How the hell am I going to pay rent now? If I paralyze myself, we’re going to end up on welfare, on the streets or whatever. If I just keep living in that fear, which I did for a long time, like I would, you know, I was trying to break these old habits and cycles of limited thinking and lack mindset that was basically instilled in me since I was a kid and it would keep coming up.
01:10:05:06 – 01:10:23:24
Nathan Crane
I was trying to break through those, you know, and have abundance mindset and solution oriented mindset. And what I learned to do in that fear was there is what anyone can do. You know, to catalyze your fear for your success is when you’re feeling that fear of, okay, I don’t know how to do this or I have this health issue or this can’t pay the rent or whatever.
01:10:24:21 – 01:10:57:07
Nathan Crane
Take a few deep breaths like you talk about in your book. You know, breathwork meditation. Calm yourself down and then start asking the question, How can I solve this right? What do I need to do? Who do I need to call? Where do I need to go and start thinking with a solution mindset? And if you what I call solution oriented mindset or solution oriented thinking and you start focusing on the solution, you really quickly, you’ll be amazed at how quick you can actually solve that problem.
01:10:57:07 – 01:11:22:19
Nathan Crane
But it was the fear that led you to solving that problem. So the fear in that case was actually very helpful. Right. And then learning to overcome that and fix that so that you don’t have that problem ever again. It’s a whole other process and a whole other story and journey. But I think fear, you know, as you make your turn, your style, your book, take your fears to make you fears so.
01:11:23:14 – 01:11:25:00
Koya Webb
That your fears make you.
01:11:25:10 – 01:11:39:15
Nathan Crane
Let your fears make you fears. That’s basically what that is, right? It’s like you’re using your fears and turning them into a catalyzing emotion to support you in your life and in your dreams and your health and everything that you want to experience.
01:11:40:14 – 01:11:57:19
Koya Webb
Absolutely. One thing that I like to say to make it easy for people is see your fear as your friend. You know, see your fear as your best friend is coming to you and say, hey, like something something doesn’t seem right, like something is going on and a fear is a friend versus something you’re trying to get rid of.
01:11:57:19 – 01:12:25:16
Koya Webb
You know, I don’t want to be afraid. You know, I would invite, you know, your friend to just actually practice, like, not even just asking one person, but asking multiple people because, you know, sometimes for people to be very paralyzed, to get rejected. And once they get rejected, they never try again because they’re afraid. But if they’re really going to say, okay, I’m afraid of this, but fear is my friend letting me know that I fear rejection.
01:12:25:17 – 01:12:44:22
Koya Webb
So when you can actually process it and work at it back verses, you know, I invite, you know, I usually invite people if they’re around people that are afraid not just to tell them don’t, be afraid, just do this, but invite them to unpack why they are afraid. You know, and it sounds like from your conversation that he was afraid because he feared rejection.
01:12:44:22 – 01:12:47:18
Koya Webb
So he rather ask you he wasn’t afraid to ask you because he knew.
01:12:47:20 – 01:12:50:08
Koya Webb
You’re probably not going to reject him and you’re going to come do it, you know.
01:12:50:16 – 01:12:55:01
Koya Webb
So there was no problem for him. So the advice because.
01:12:55:03 – 01:12:59:22
Koya Webb
He might get rejected again, he could have as three people, but the practice.
01:13:00:10 – 01:13:02:14
Koya Webb
Would be for him is to work on.
01:13:02:18 – 01:13:08:24
Koya Webb
Being okay with rejection, like, oh yeah, that person didn’t do it, that person and do it that way. I hope somebody does it.
01:13:09:03 – 01:13:35:13
Koya Webb
But working on processing where that fear of rejection comes from, sometimes it could have been a childhood. Someone would say, you know, stop asking or do it yourself or you got to be strong, you know, whatever it was. And that actually is deep seated inside. So a lot times like when you can work it back and that’s what I do in my one on one coaching, I hope people uncover the deeper layers to the fear because again, fear is your friend.
01:13:35:20 – 01:13:38:13
Koya Webb
And when you can process the fear, try to say, Come here.
01:13:38:13 – 01:13:39:15
Koya Webb
Fear, come on inside.
01:13:39:15 – 01:14:04:11
Koya Webb
Let’s talk about like, what’s up? Like, where did I start getting afraid of rejection? Where did I start getting afraid of food? Where did I start? Where did you start? Like, oh, you were overwhelmed because you got so many options. Okay, so how can we address that? Right. Okay, let’s just start with one thing at a time. So when you really not just say I have fear and just ignore it or just say I have fear, so I’m just going to try to get of it.
01:14:04:17 – 01:14:14:11
Koya Webb
No, bring your fear inside and talk to your fear and try to work it back and process it. And when you actually process your fear, that’s where the growth starts to happen.
01:14:14:11 – 01:14:40:02
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I love that you talk about fear of judgment. I think that’s one of the biggest fears we all experience and I think everybody has some experience you could relate or remember back to in childhood, right, where there was a time when you were judged maybe multiple times and that has since lived with you into your adult years.
01:14:40:23 – 01:14:52:10
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And the problems that in your life. Right. By worrying about what other people think about you. But it’s one of the hardest ones to overcome for sure. But I mean, can you talk a little bit about it?
01:14:52:10 – 01:14:53:07
Koya Webb
Absolutely.
01:14:53:07 – 01:14:56:20
Koya Webb
I actually just wrote a substack. I just start writing on Substack.
01:14:56:20 – 01:14:57:14
Koya Webb
Because I’m working on my.
01:14:57:14 – 01:14:58:09
Koya Webb
Second book.
01:14:58:18 – 01:15:25:08
Koya Webb
And a lot of times the fear or the fear of rejection and the fear of, you know, you know, caring about what people think about you, the fear of judgment comes from not feeling worthy or not feeling valued. Right? And so at the end of that, you have to literally know that you are worthy, whole and complete, no matter what you do.
01:15:26:02 – 01:15:29:00
Koya Webb
But our whole society is set up.
01:15:29:07 – 01:15:34:14
Koya Webb
An achievement in accomplishments is actually and what you’re wearing and how many likes you got.
01:15:34:14 – 01:15:38:19
Koya Webb
And how many people I. Bambam It’s like in every area of.
01:15:38:19 – 01:15:39:01
Koya Webb
Your.
01:15:39:01 – 01:15:39:18
Koya Webb
Life.
01:15:40:14 – 01:15:43:20
Koya Webb
You are judging your worthiness.
01:15:44:07 – 01:15:50:12
Koya Webb
Based on a certain metric, whatever it is. And so when.
01:15:50:12 – 01:15:53:07
Koya Webb
Every facet, oh, you’re with someone, did you get.
01:15:53:07 – 01:16:06:13
Koya Webb
Married, did you have kids or you have a house? Are you going to get a literal Oh, you had a baby. Is the baby healthy? Is a good you know, this is like every aspect of your life. We look at it metrics. So it’s hard for us to surrender to being.
01:16:06:13 – 01:16:12:16
Koya Webb
And feeling like we’re enough just by being the best that we can be. Because we look at.
01:16:12:16 – 01:16:13:14
Koya Webb
It as somebody else to the.
01:16:13:14 – 01:16:16:03
Koya Webb
Left and to the right, and we’re comparing ourselves.
01:16:16:09 – 01:16:25:07
Koya Webb
You know, comparison. Comparison is the thief of joy, right? So I am not free from this. Like, I definitely am part of the.
01:16:25:07 – 01:16:48:11
Koya Webb
Matrix and but I work on it and it’s something that I look at every day. I lean into that fear of rejection. I look into that fear of judgment and I say, okay, how can I what can I do today? Release the fear of judgment? What can I do today to feel worthy, you know, and things that have helped me?
01:16:48:11 – 01:17:07:09
Koya Webb
And I’m just going to share these things because it’s a lifelong journey, because literally everything in our lives is based on metrics. You know, I don’t know, many things are not or many communities are not, but a couple things that I try to do is, you know, get you a hype squad. You need a hype squad. And in the book I call it at 18, you got to have.
01:17:07:09 – 01:17:09:17
Koya Webb
A team of people that love you.
01:17:09:21 – 01:17:16:17
Koya Webb
No matter what. You can have a bad day. You can be ugly, be nasty, cry, yell, scream, whatever. And they’re still going to be like, I love you.
01:17:16:17 – 01:17:19:20
Koya Webb
Want to come over you want to, you know, having people that.
01:17:19:20 – 01:17:34:24
Koya Webb
Love you matter what is beyond important. I remember during the pandemic, I was on the phone with a group of women, and we they were talking about doing this business together. And they wanted me to be a part of it. And I literally started crying. I just started crying on the phone with him.
01:17:34:24 – 01:17:35:09
Koya Webb
No, I.
01:17:35:16 – 01:17:38:04
Koya Webb
Think he was right. And I’m the strong one. Like, I’m.
01:17:38:04 – 01:17:46:15
Koya Webb
Like strong business man. Let’s get it. Let’s Let’s do it. And I just I really was I was like, I just want to hurt. So I was like and I was really breaking.
01:17:46:15 – 01:17:54:19
Koya Webb
Down because I was so overwhelmed by business and business that gone wrong. And I was just like, I just wanted to have dinner. I missed.
01:17:54:19 – 01:17:57:07
Koya Webb
Having dinner. I missed seeing people, touching people.
01:17:57:15 – 01:18:13:17
Koya Webb
And I was I was having like a mental health crisis. Like, I was really like at my wit’s end for the amount of my business I could do without feeling affection. Like as an empathetic person, I was just missing out on, like, human touch and human connection.
01:18:14:10 – 01:18:26:00
Koya Webb
So I start crying. I was like, Let’s just have dinner. And so this. And until I moved from L.A., we would have dinner every Tuesday. And it’s build the strongest relationship between me and these women.
01:18:26:06 – 01:18:27:16
Koya Webb
And even when I go back.
01:18:27:16 – 01:18:36:10
Koya Webb
To L.A. this last time I was there, we had dinner together and yes, we’ve done business and we do work. But more than anything, we’ve listened to each other’s stories.
01:18:36:15 – 01:18:42:15
Koya Webb
We’ve talked about the hard times and not just things. We know everything about each other off of our Instagram or highlight world.
01:18:42:22 – 01:18:44:14
Koya Webb
And it’s been very fulfilling.
01:18:44:19 – 01:18:46:06
Koya Webb
So I think the.
01:18:46:06 – 01:18:49:00
Koya Webb
Important thing is get your 18 leads, you.
01:18:49:00 – 01:19:03:22
Koya Webb
Got to have some people in your life where you can be honest about when you’re sad, when you’re angry, when you’re frustrated, when you’re hurt, that are not going to judge you, guilt you, shame you, they’re just going to listen to you and. Hold space and hold space. It means they’re not trying to tell you a solution. They’re not trying to tell you how to be better.
01:19:03:22 – 01:19:32:00
Koya Webb
They’re just like, Damn that, that’s suck. I’m here for you. And what can I do to support literally those type of people that your life is what you need to feel worthy so that you can deal with the fear of judgment. Because it’s going to happen. Because everything based on metrics. But so having a team is number one and number two is kind of what I’ve been talking about a little bit is just processing your emotions, like I said, my sense, my emotional, like, why do I feel so down?
01:19:32:00 – 01:19:57:02
Koya Webb
Why do I want to get off this car? I want to get off this car because I want something else. I don’t want the business. I want it. So I was confident enough or vulnerable enough really to share it with these women like I’m not okay. Right. And so when I was vulnerable and scared that I wasn’t okay, then we were able to find a solution that actually worked and worked well for all of us and actually was nurturing to all of us.
01:19:57:02 – 01:20:13:20
Koya Webb
And so I invite someone who is listening. If you’re going through, you know, not feeling worthy or feeling judge, you know, even if it’s just one other person that you can confide in that’s going to help, or even if you don’t have that person, you’re by yourself writing down, journaling, getting a therapist, even to help you work back.
01:20:13:20 – 01:20:37:15
Koya Webb
Like, why? How did you get here? Like, how did you get to this space? Where You’re you’re not feeling okay. You’re not feeling were there maybe you’re not feeling valued. Maybe your business is not going well like you thought it would. Maybe you lost a friend maybe you’ve lost a loved one, maybe someone transition. All these are stages of grief that you can go through to make you feel, you know, down and sad.
01:20:37:15 – 01:21:04:11
Koya Webb
And then a lot of times that’s when we start to judge ourselves and then we start to spiral downward. And as someone who has very intense emotions, like I go a high, high, high, but I go low, low, low as is very, very intense, high and low. I have had to learn how to regulate my nervous system and I’ve had to learn to lean into my emotions so that I can be a healthy person and so that I can continue to do the work that I’m meant to do.
01:21:05:00 – 01:21:33:03
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s powerful. And I can imagine for you, you know, being with a group of women like that who can listen, who can nurture, who can not judge you, you yourself are that way to them as well, right? You’re not just taking it all in and then you’re, you know, treating them poorly or judging them badly. Right. Like you also have to give what you want to receive.
01:21:33:21 – 01:21:51:02
Koya Webb
Absolutely. I think one thing that we do that, I definitely recommend, especially in fringe groups, even if is one or two people, make sure you’re not emotionally dumping in me like you’re always the person with the problem which happened to their friendship that I no longer have any more. Like I was always a strong with stronger, strong woman.
01:21:51:08 – 01:21:54:14
Koya Webb
But like every time I tried to share, I was like, Oh, yeah, I know you’re good.
01:21:54:14 – 01:21:55:10
Koya Webb
Though, you know?
01:21:55:10 – 01:22:21:05
Koya Webb
And I really didn’t feel like I could really share and be vulnerable because they felt like I’d have I have everything figured out and they I didn’t need their support and not that I need their solution. I needed to hold space and just like, let me be vulnerable. But because I couldn’t do that with them, because they thought I was superwoman, that friendship ended because they never held space for me to be vulnerable.
01:22:21:05 – 01:22:25:08
Koya Webb
And, you know, and so that’s really important is that I got to.
01:22:25:15 – 01:22:44:15
Nathan Crane
It’s got to be reciprocal. You know, it’s like the energy exchange that we have as human beings. It’s got to be reciprocal. If it’s not just like that, it will lean too heavy one way and then one person is getting drained and you know, it’s not beneficial that way. Yeah, I’ve seen that.
01:22:44:15 – 01:22:45:07
Koya Webb
It doesn’t have to.
01:22:45:15 – 01:22:48:09
Koya Webb
It doesn’t have to be at the same time too. Like if someone’s.
01:22:48:15 – 01:22:53:02
Koya Webb
Going to be their boyfriend and they’re going to do you want. Yeah I’m gonna try and it doesn’t have to.
01:22:53:02 – 01:23:02:00
Koya Webb
Be necessarily back and forth like at the same time but it’s good that it happens regularly. Right. And I think I want to call that out.
01:23:02:00 – 01:23:02:11
Koya Webb
Because.
01:23:02:18 – 01:23:07:12
Koya Webb
That’s not so great. If like every time you share something someone is trying to top you out with like.
01:23:07:22 – 01:23:09:04
Koya Webb
Their I, their.
01:23:09:09 – 01:23:28:06
Koya Webb
Their story about the same thing because that doesn’t always feel supportive. It’s that every time talk, if only one person is getting like someone holding space and that’s not balance. So if you like where you like share something maybe the next daisy cause going on in your life, do you want to sit down and talk? Is everything good?
01:23:28:06 – 01:23:36:00
Koya Webb
You know, ask. And sometimes people are not so forthcoming with what’s happening, but never stop asking.
01:23:36:13 – 01:24:00:10
Nathan Crane
These are basic conversational skills that would be great for us to learn as kids. To teach our children kids to learn schools. Right? I mean, these are basic, fundamental and powerful conversational skills that help nurture our culture, help nurture our society. And you don’t really learn these things unless you’re listening to a podcast like this or you’re searching.
01:24:00:10 – 01:24:30:24
Nathan Crane
You’re deep into personal development and self-growth. You know, you’re experiencing it the hard way. So I appreciate you sharing that, and I appreciate you putting all of your experiences and what you’ve gone through and your own journey into your book and sharing that with others. And Man, Appreciate has been awesome. Spend this time with you. Time flies is awesome for you to come back on to come on the podcast for the first time and great seeing you.
01:24:30:24 – 01:24:32:17
Nathan Crane
Yeah, thanks so much. Has been awesome.
01:24:33:08 – 01:24:38:01
Koya Webb
Great seeing you. Well, thank you so much for this opportunity. I love the conversation. Is so much.
01:24:38:01 – 01:24:43:02
Koya Webb
Fun just to go deep sometimes and then also leave it light like, you know, at the end of the day.
01:24:43:08 – 01:24:44:16
Koya Webb
You know, just do the best you can.
01:24:45:09 – 01:24:49:21
Nathan Crane
And say I love and do the best you can. Best bet good, better, best.
01:24:50:09 – 01:24:52:02
Koya Webb
It’s better. But that’s my philosophy.
01:24:52:03 – 01:24:52:16
Nathan Crane
That’s it.
01:24:53:10 – 01:24:54:01
Koya Webb
I mean, it’ll.
01:24:54:01 – 01:24:59:11
Koya Webb
Save you a lot of stress. Just say, you know, I’m new today, doing better. I’ll do my best, you know?
01:24:59:11 – 01:25:06:13
Koya Webb
And that philosophy is just help me through a lot of things. So People say, okay, Kobe, like I have to be like, okay, I’m going to go.
01:25:06:13 – 01:25:13:12
Koya Webb
Better business, what is? And then they’ll give me the day. I’m like, that’s better think, you know? And so it’s a good.
01:25:13:12 – 01:25:22:04
Koya Webb
Way to not you know if someone’s not actually doing the greatest thing for themselves at one time not again to get out of the guilt and shame. It’s like.
01:25:22:10 – 01:25:31:07
Koya Webb
Yeah, I’m just going to be good today. You’re going to do good, you know? And hopefully we’re not doing too much of the low one that you said, the terrible. You got to give me those again. Yeah.
01:25:31:21 – 01:25:37:05
Nathan Crane
We had we had we got we got bad, we got terrible and we got worse.
01:25:38:08 – 01:25:42:21
Koya Webb
Oh, yeah, that terrible was both hilarious. So hopefully we’re.
01:25:42:21 – 01:25:46:14
Koya Webb
Not in the bad terrible in the worse. We’re in the good, better in the best.
01:25:46:17 – 01:25:56:00
Nathan Crane
There we go. There we go. And best place for people to get a copy of your book. Connect with you, coach with you. Where’s the best website for them to go to?
01:25:56:16 – 01:26:11:16
Koya Webb
So my website where you can find all the things about me is Koya, Web.com, Kauai, W.E.B. You can get my book anywhere. Books are sold also on Amazon. Also have an audiobook on Audible. I don’t know about you, but I love listening to my books.
01:26:12:16 – 01:26:14:15
Koya Webb
And yeah, so anywhere the book will be.
01:26:14:15 – 01:26:22:11
Koya Webb
Available and anything you want to find out about me is on my website and also all over social media is under your web as well.
01:26:23:15 – 01:26:26:24
Nathan Crane
Beautiful. Awesome. Thanks again. Appreciate it.
01:26:27:19 – 01:26:29:12
Koya Webb
Thank you. Thanks for having me.