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00:00:00:03 – 00:00:10:17
Nathan Crane
What’s going on. Everybody, welcome back to the podcast. I am really excited to have my good friend Jason Prall here with us today. Jason, what’s up, dude? Thanks for coming on the podcast.
00:00:11:19 – 00:00:14:11
Jason Prall
Matt I’m happy to be here. I’m glad to see you have a podcast. That’s cool.
00:00:14:22 – 00:00:26:09
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s been fun, man. You know, I’ve done like you, I’ve done hundreds and hundreds of interviews over the last, like, ten years. And the only thing I wish is like, man, I just started a podcast like ten years ago.
00:00:26:13 – 00:00:28:06
Jason Prall
I recorded this.
00:00:28:06 – 00:00:50:10
Nathan Crane
Yeah, should take it. All those interviews that we do for summits and docu series and all that stuff and just put on a podcast like Why not? But I’ve been having fun with it, bringing on a lot of the, you know, same guests that I’ve interviewed over the years, as well as new people that are meeting. And, and it’s cool because we actually get to like spend really good quality time diving into these, you know, deep conversations on all kinds of different topics.
00:00:50:10 – 00:01:12:12
Nathan Crane
So some of the things I want to talk with you about today, I mean, you have this pretty incredible background of your, you know, documentary series that you did the Human Longevity Project, I think back in like 2018, that has been seen by hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people around the world. I know you’ve been kind of rereleasing that recently.
00:01:12:20 – 00:01:18:17
Nathan Crane
I think you said your people will have a chance to watch it again this next year, right? Yeah.
00:01:20:22 – 00:01:43:08
Nathan Crane
So, yeah, people keep an eye out for that. It’s a great series. And then you just wrote a new book Beyond Longevity, and people can go get a copy of that, too. But, you know, you have a diverse interest in a lot of things from from personal development, a spirituality to spending time with shamans to, you know, researching longevity.
00:01:44:04 – 00:02:01:21
Nathan Crane
I guess a good question to kind of kick off the conversation is around longevity. So when I talk to people, I used to ask people this question, you know, wouldn’t you love to live to 100? I just kind of thought, you know, years ago that like, most people wanted to live a long time. And almost every time people said no.
00:02:01:22 – 00:02:28:15
Nathan Crane
And as I started digging deep, I was like, shotgun is like, well, you know, I live to 100. And then I started digging deeper. It’s like, well, yeah, because in most people’s minds, living to be old, they vision themselves being frail, weak, sick with cancer in a wheelchair, living a poor quality of life. And so I started reframing the question, right, and saying, why don’t you love to live to 100 if you were healthy and strong and active and living, living a good life?
00:02:28:21 – 00:02:52:08
Nathan Crane
And everybody I’ve asked that question to you said, yeah, absolutely. So, you know, that’s for me, like that’s what longevity, the essence of what longevity should really mean is not just living long, but also a good quality of life. And I know you cover that in depth in in your book and in your documentary series, but yeah, like what got you interested into longevity?
00:02:52:08 – 00:03:13:04
Nathan Crane
Like why did you decide to go out and travel the world and film these different, you know, blue zones and different areas around the world where people are living 80, 9000 plus with basically little to no disease, healthy, strong, happy people. Like, what was it in you that, you know, gave you that passion for learning more about longevity?
00:03:14:07 – 00:03:30:10
Jason Prall
Yeah, there’s a couple of reasons, really. I was I was working as a functional practitioner and kind of functional medicine and doing that kind of thing. I was running, you know, all kinds of different lab tests and and helping people that had autoimmune conditions and cancers and, you know, skin issues and hormonal imbalance. There’s and you name it.
00:03:30:10 – 00:03:49:05
Jason Prall
Right. They get any and all symptoms walked through my door and you know ultimately that’s really why I got into this because I had my own health issues. And so I wanted to help other people resolve their health challenges. But as I as I did that, what I saw was not just unfortunate symptoms that were showing up out of the blue.
00:03:49:05 – 00:04:09:18
Jason Prall
Right. There was reasons. And it was the primary reasons were how people were living, the choices they were making, the ignorance that we all have, and the relationship between how we’re living in our modern world. So, you know, if we think about what life was like 80 or 90 years ago, 100 years ago in the US is vastly different, right?
00:04:09:23 – 00:04:27:19
Jason Prall
What my grandmother called an organic tomato. She got the tomato, you know what I mean? So things have shifted dramatically over the past eight years and and you and I are aren’t even 50 yet, so we haven’t even seen all those changes. Right. So we only have a limited perspective of what life is actually like here in the Western world.
00:04:27:19 – 00:04:45:16
Jason Prall
And so I wanted to take a broader look at what life is really like for people around the world and what life was like before, you know, 100 years ago in some of these other places around the world that aren’t as advanced and don’t have as much of the sort of modern technology and modern way of living. Right.
00:04:45:17 – 00:05:08:14
Jason Prall
And it’s really a way of living. Right. So I’m not even demonizing technology. Technology is fantastic, but it’s just how we’re living. And and so that was part of it. The other part was I kept hearing from kind of the Silicon Valley types, you know, the Ray Dalio types, right. That that longevity was a disease, that there’s a problem with aging, right?
00:05:08:14 – 00:05:32:01
Jason Prall
That we can live forever, right? That we can live to 300 and and we’re going to solve this problem with all this new stuff that we’re developing. And like, fundamentally, that just didn’t resonate, right? There was something instrumentally wrong with that frame of reference and perspective. And so I thought, that’s insane, right? We can’t keep living how we’re living in the in the United States and in the Western world.
00:05:32:08 – 00:05:56:22
Jason Prall
And then just think that technology is going to somehow via nanobots or otherwise, some kind of AI is going to help us live a long time. It’s missing a key aspect of what life is, what life can can do for us, what health is, where it comes from, right? God’s spirituality, religion, you know, the non self aspect of who I am.
00:05:56:22 – 00:06:20:06
Jason Prall
Like these bigger questions, right? It’s it’s absolutely devoid of all of that conversation. And so I just had a I wanted to interject and as small as my narrative may be in that big, big discussion, I wanted to interject in there and and give a different perspective on what aging is, what health is, where it comes from, how long we should expect to live.
00:06:20:06 – 00:06:46:17
Jason Prall
You know, the importance of death itself. Right. Versus living forever, quote unquote. Like that sounds like hell to me. If we want to talk about what hell on earth would be like, it would be living forever to me. And so I think again, but this, this, this perspective I have really comes from a philosophy. I had a different idea of what life is of of how we can approach life.
00:06:46:24 – 00:07:14:06
Jason Prall
And so and that that’s not something that I generated all by myself. Right. It really was informed by all of these people that I’ve had the pleasure to interact with these indigenous leaders, these spiritual masters, these practitioners, these elderly people throughout the world. Right. So and with enough interaction, enough of awakening into sort of the more philosophical and and spiritual ideas of life, health and death.
00:07:14:14 – 00:07:42:17
Jason Prall
And, you know, that really informed how I approached this simple things about what longevity is and how to how to come at this properly. Right. And hopefully give people a perspective of of the beautiful aspects of aging, what aging even is. Because if we delude ourselves, I think at some point we’re going to have to recognize that fact that it’s things are going to come home to roost, right?
00:07:42:17 – 00:07:59:00
Jason Prall
Like we’re going to figure it out eventually. That death is on the doorstep. I’m actually getting older despite this rhetoric about living forever and aging as a disease and all this stuff. And look at everybody who’s talking about this and then look at them. Ten years ago, you can see that they’re older. You can see that they’re aging.
00:07:59:00 – 00:08:12:24
Jason Prall
Right. And then so should we demonize that? But is that a problem? Well, I don’t think so. Right. So I wanted to come at it differently and and hopefully give people a a more healthy perspective on on the process of getting older.
00:08:14:07 – 00:08:37:16
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I love that. And you said earlier, people like Ray Dalio, where does he? I followed his content on like economics and things like that, which his is brilliant about and the changing world order and all of that. Does he actually talk about longevity and and all of that or is that where were you thinking? Peter the demise?
00:08:37:16 – 00:08:46:13
Jason Prall
Peter Demand is for sure. I’m not sure. Ray Dalio But those are those types. I mean, what would you forgive me if I actually put him in the wrong category? But it is definitely a demand as types and the.
00:08:46:13 – 00:09:10:05
Nathan Crane
Amount is even. The reason I was asking is because I remember when you were speaking about that Peter’s Peter’s book Abundance popped into my mind and I read it because I started reading it years ago. I was living in San Diego because of like it it was promoted as like, yeah, you know, extend your lifespan and health and abundance and prosperity and live with vitality and all this stuff.
00:09:10:05 – 00:09:46:20
Nathan Crane
Right? It all sounded good. And then as I started digging into it, it was all exactly what you’re talking about. It’s all about, you know, technology and using, you know, pharmaceuticals and all kinds of things that were it was more about using the technology of our modern day to extend our lifespan. And while I think that’s fine for people who want that, like, I think we’re like you said, I think we’re missing the boat with that where, you know what, we’re going to turn ourselves into half robots so we can live to 200 years or 300 years old and be controlled by some, you know, technocratic machine matrix kind of thing.
00:09:46:20 – 00:09:54:00
Nathan Crane
Like to me that sounds like that sounds like, you know, fucking hell on earth, like you said, right? It’s like, well, I have no desire to live like that.
00:09:54:22 – 00:10:12:24
Jason Prall
Yeah. And even more fundamentally, right. Like, if I don’t understand the impact of my choices in my household, in my own mind, and if I don’t understand those choices day in and day out and the consequences of those choices, then I can take all the stem cells and I’m a huge stem cell fan. I’m a huge fan of all this regenerative medicine.
00:10:12:24 – 00:10:38:04
Jason Prall
I think this is a godsend in a huge way for people who are suffering from chronic diseases and symptoms and pains and all these things. So I think we should use all of that in the right context. Absolutely. And the deeper point is, if I don’t understand how I’m using the things in my environment and and that’s how that’s affecting not only me, but my family, but my community, the larger environment as a whole.
00:10:38:09 – 00:11:01:08
Jason Prall
If I don’t understand that the coal power plants that we use are giving off mercury to the environment which gets into the the oceans and the soils and impacts the fish. And then I eat the fish and then I have mercury. These are the types of things that if we don’t understand the bigger picture, then, then all of this regenerative health movement is just we’re just going be chasing our tail, right?
00:11:01:08 – 00:11:21:21
Jason Prall
So so sometimes, like, I’m with you on that like this, but that’s that that’s the extreme right? That’s like kind of like half man, half robot. And I think there’s definitely people who are chasing that. But I think even more fundamentally, it’s this what are the choices that I’m making? How does my mental state, how does my negativity bias, which is essentially funding the unknown everybody.
00:11:21:21 – 00:11:42:01
Jason Prall
In other words, we have more negative thoughts than we do positive thoughts. How does that impact my liver function? How does that impact my gut health? How does that impact my hormonal balance? So if I understand that now, I can make choices on an individual level, right? My thoughts are essentially my thoughts now they can ripple out and have a positive impact on my family, my community, my environment.
00:11:42:01 – 00:12:05:02
Jason Prall
Absolutely. But those are my internal thoughts. That’s a powerful thing. And in fact, it may be the most powerful thing when it comes to health and longevity, how we can inform our own system from the mental, emotional and sort of, you know, nervous system level. Right? So so that’s kind of the deeper aspect of what I would I’d like to point to is like we have immense power in control of our own health, our own body.
00:12:05:20 – 00:12:25:08
Jason Prall
And what we choose to do and how we choose to live every single day has a greater impact on just us, right? It has an impact on the entire environment and the environment impacts us. Right. So the Native Americans are fantastic for for their philosophies and their teachings in this realm. Right. That we are we are just a piece of the web.
00:12:25:14 – 00:12:50:05
Jason Prall
Right? And if we don’t understand that, then we’re going to create havoc around us. Right. Look at all that. The toxic babies born in. There’s like a couple hundred different chemicals in the cord blood, right? The baby hasn’t even made a choice yet in the world, and yet they’re impacted by the environment. This is the thing that we need to wake up to is how are our choices, how our lifestyles, how we’re living affects everything around us.
00:12:50:05 – 00:13:11:17
Jason Prall
Right. We really aren’t globally on that level yet. Right. And so and each person that can make that choice to make just a little bit different choices each day, that’s that does add up and makes a huge impact. Right. And that to me is is just as worthwhile pursuing then this new regenerative medicine technology that’s coming out.
00:13:12:06 – 00:13:23:08
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I would say I do agree with you on there are a lot of technologies that we have for health that are incredible. Right. I mean, one example, someone.
00:13:23:11 – 00:13:26:09
Jason Prall
I mean, you’re in the cancer world, right? Like, yeah, yeah. Cancer stuff is amazing.
00:13:26:10 – 00:13:46:24
Nathan Crane
Well, cancer stuff. I mean, I’m I’m even thinking like on a practical level, someone’s leg gets cut off and, you know, you have totally you know, you have a prosthetic that actually you can run on. So people are able to continue doing sports and things like that or yeah, you know, stem cells, things like that. I think there is a time and place for these things, but I also think we can go too far.
00:13:46:24 – 00:14:08:23
Nathan Crane
And that’s the question I think we have to ask ourselves is when does technology go too far? So there is a you know, there’s a positive and a negative to all technology. The more technology that we create, actually, the more toxins and pollutants and chemicals and poisons we’re putting into the environment and into ourselves for, you know, one simple example.
00:14:08:23 – 00:14:33:09
Nathan Crane
We think, you know, solar power and wind power and electric powered cars is saving the world. And, you know, if you talk anything bad about that and and I used to be someone who was like, yes, that’s the solution for energy. We have this unlimited energy and it’s all sustainable. Well, the problem is all of those types of energy also have a lot of toxins and chemicals and pollutants that come off of them.
00:14:33:16 – 00:14:53:01
Nathan Crane
Is it better than the, you know, strip mining of the planet? Probably. It’s still really hard to prove at this point. You know, is it better than taking out all the oil and natural gas out of the out of the earth and having all those leaks happen and kill all kinds of animals, probably. But again, it’s still very hard to prove.
00:14:53:07 – 00:15:21:24
Nathan Crane
But what happens with the batteries in these cars? What happens with the cars themselves? What happens with all the mining that has to happen of all these rare minerals from the earth, often in third world countries where people are in cobalt mines, for example, being, you know, people need to go look this up. They haven’t seen it. These toxic mines at children and families by the thousands are mining for pennies a day so that, you know, we here in the West can be comfortable in our electric powered cars.
00:15:21:24 – 00:15:49:19
Nathan Crane
And so and we’re quote unquote, saving the environment. Now, what about these thousands and thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who are getting cancer in all kinds of diseases from the exposure to these rare minerals? So, again, I’m not saying the answer is to get rid of, you know, electric powered anything. I’m just saying we have to look deeper into the solutions and recognize that just because more technology that seems sustainable doesn’t necessarily always mean better.
00:15:49:19 – 00:16:09:24
Nathan Crane
And it doesn’t always necessarily mean healthier. We have to think about the consequences that technology we have, think about the poisons and toxins and chemicals and carcinogens that come from it as well. They’re contributing to our health, like you said, pay attention to our environment. Pay attention to what’s going in our bodies, on our bodies, what we’re breathing, what we’re drinking, and become aware of that so we can make those better choices.
00:16:10:07 – 00:16:27:16
Nathan Crane
It’s very hard to make good choices for your health if you don’t know what is actually poisoning you every day and your water and your food and your air. Right? So that’s why I know you and I do the work that we do. It’s, it’s doing the research and then educating, sharing with people so at least they can make better decisions for their health.
00:16:27:16 – 00:16:46:02
Nathan Crane
I want to go I want to go back to the court, but I want to go back for something real quick. And then and then, yeah, please respond because you glossed over it and and I’ve actually done videos on this and I find that a lot of people have no idea, number one. And and they also think I’m lying when I talk about it.
00:16:46:02 – 00:17:28:11
Nathan Crane
So I want to just reiterate what you said. Babies are being born today. And the study was done by the EWG that previously before this, everybody thought that the cord the umbilical cord actually shielded the baby from toxins and chemicals and carcinogens that were inside the mother’s body, inside the mother’s blood. But what they found is when they actually tested the umbilical cords of multiple babies, they found hundreds, literally over 200 cancer causing and endocrine disrupting and neurological neuro endocrine disruptors inside the baby’s cord blood.
00:17:28:11 – 00:17:54:02
Nathan Crane
So what they realized and then that’s going directly into the baby and now we’re having all these babies with Born or within the first few years, autoimmune diseases, cancers, chronic health conditions, all kinds of problems. And what they’re realizing is the toxins that the mother is actually taking in unknowingly, unknowingly and unknowingly and into her body are passing into the baby in utero.
00:17:54:02 – 00:18:19:01
Nathan Crane
And then that baby is coming into the planet birth and having all of these health defects, most likely from my research, directly caused from all of those toxins that are passing into that baby in utero. And then they’re born and then they’re fed all kinds of garbage very often as well. Baby formulas and things that are filled with all kinds of processed junk and sugars and all of that.
00:18:19:01 – 00:18:32:15
Nathan Crane
So it just compounds on top of it. But I want to share that because there is scientific research behind that. A lot of people don’t realize it and it is, you know, and there’s something and there are things we can do about it as well. But we need to realize that that’s actually happening right now.
00:18:33:22 – 00:18:55:19
Jason Prall
Yeah. And it’s pointing to the larger point here, which is that every decision that we make as a society, as an individual, has as a knock on effect, there’s a domino effect. Right. And then we end up in this in this environment where we say, how did this happen? Right? How do we undo this? Right. We have all these industries that are built up on on these perceptions that that there’s they’re not that bad.
00:18:56:01 – 00:19:22:11
Jason Prall
Right. And so, you know, I wanted it kind of make a point. You mentioned kind of the energy aspect. And this is I don’t know if you know this, but I was an energy efficiency engineer right before I got into health care. I was a mechanical engineer. And one of the main things that I did during my ten year career was I would go into buildings and whether it be, let’s say, a high school, for example, and we would we would do all kinds of analysis on the energy usage of these of these schools.
00:19:22:11 – 00:19:47:03
Jason Prall
Right. So we would look at rooftop units and cooling units and, you know, we’d look at lighting and we look at the control systems and we look at basically everything that’s using energy, how it’s using energy, how much is is kind of wasted in this process. And then what is the cost for introducing new technologies or new units or restructuring the system in such a way that we can save energy and pay for the investment?
00:19:47:03 – 00:20:05:07
Jason Prall
And then the governments would give us money for help do that or give the school money to help invest in that. And that was what we did. Right. And when I got into that work, I thought, this is fantastic, right? Like it it fits my personality, which is before that I was into kind of quality control engineering. So I’m always looking for efficiencies and how do we improve?
00:20:05:11 – 00:20:28:02
Jason Prall
Like that’s just kind of my nature. That’s what I do. It’s kind of how I walk through the world, not very good at creating, but really good at improving something that has already been created. And so we would look at these systems and we would do all kinds of analysis and then we would implement some strategies and what we and then from there, after the new systems were installed, the new units were installed, we did all this new stuff.
00:20:28:14 – 00:20:48:18
Jason Prall
Then what we do is we track we track the energy usage from then on so we can calculate how much energy was saved over the previous X number of years. Right. And we had to prove this to the various government bodies so that we could get the grants and all these things. And what we noticed was we would institute, let’s just say, let’s say a thought perspective, a perfect system.
00:20:48:18 – 00:21:07:19
Jason Prall
Right? In other words, if we do this this way, we’re going to save X amount of energy, 20% more energy every year or 30% more energy every year. Well, then what we noticed is we tracked we didn’t save 30%. Why? It’s because it’s how the building was being used. So in other words, we would put these sensors in the classrooms that would their CO2 sensors.
00:21:07:19 – 00:21:30:03
Jason Prall
In other words, they would detect a level of CO2 and they’d let the CO2 rise to a point. You can’t have CO2 too high because that’s bad for health, right? So there’s a whole code around that. But then what we do, there’s also a code around energy efficiency. And so one of the aspects of the code was you need to let CO2 rise enough so that you’re not adding too much outside air, which has to be heated or cooled.
00:21:30:20 – 00:21:48:22
Jason Prall
So if you add extra outside air, you’re going have to heat it or cool it, which which requires energy. So you want to minimize that. So they let the CO2 rise to a point and then kick on outside air. Right. So all these things, what what happens if the teacher says, I want to open the window? So they open the window and they open all the windows because it’s a nice day and we’re letting the air in.
00:21:49:03 – 00:22:12:06
Jason Prall
Well, that totally screws the control system. Right? So all this like monitoring it outside is totally messed up. What happens? And then same thing with lights, there would be motion sensors. What would happen? So the teacher tapes the light because they don’t want the motion sensor going off and the kids are taking a test or whatever. So there’s all these things about the and then sometimes teachers complain that it’s too hot or too cool to the janitor, that the custodian would go up into the unit.
00:22:12:13 – 00:22:30:15
Jason Prall
They change the settings on the unit or change the controls. And so, in other words, we as the as the energy efficiency engineers set a perfect system. And then everybody started messing with it and messing with how it was used. And they wouldn’t say nearly as much energy and all this stuff. So what that taught me, it’s kind of a long story to teach me that really.
00:22:30:15 – 00:22:52:02
Jason Prall
It’s what you do. It’s how you use the things that you’re using that really matters. And the ultimate way to save energy to to create the biggest opportunity of health and this is to this is the efficiency of all systems is to simplify. If you look at nature, it is unbelievably complex, but it is simple. At the same time.
00:22:52:02 – 00:23:06:13
Jason Prall
So it’s like, how simple can you make things? So this is what I applied now to health. It’s not about taken and I’m not picking on him here. But the Ben Greenfield approach, which is I got all these gadgets and I got I mean, if I’m him and I’m playing, it’s cool. I enjoy that stuff, right? I got a cool plunge.
00:23:06:13 – 00:23:25:17
Jason Prall
I got a infrared sauna. Like, I have a lot of these things too. But one mental key is let me buy all the gadgets and implement them on my body. And so I can, you know, I can move my fascia better and I can I can detox better, you know, and then I can induce these cold shock proteins and heat shock proteins.
00:23:25:17 – 00:23:49:06
Jason Prall
And I’m doing all this stuff to my body. I got the red light, I got the you’ve got all these things to try to induce help. Or I could simply go outside with my shirt off and go for a walk in silence. Right. I don’t need the meditation. Pink thing. That’s five grand to give me some, you know, weird environment that’s supposedly going to put me at ease and calm my mind.
00:23:49:13 – 00:24:04:21
Jason Prall
I can go out in a forest. I can lay on the grass in a park on the on the ground. I don’t need a grounding pad in my in my house. I can go touch the ground. I can go for a swim in the ocean, you know what I mean? Like, this is what this is a different mentality.
00:24:05:01 – 00:24:25:13
Jason Prall
And so this is a it’s a big part of my book. It’s a big part of the series that if you look at the longevity regions around the world, if you look at people who are happy and healthy, they live simply. They don’t live in these laps of luxury with all these devices and tax. And look, I like luxury, I like tech, I like it’s fun.
00:24:26:01 – 00:24:56:04
Jason Prall
And there’s a different way to approach life that that’s a little bit unfamiliar in, let’s say, the the major metropolises in the West. You find a little more in small towns, but it’s this way of simplicity. It’s this way of slowing down. It’s this way of walking through the world, recognizing that you are a part of nature, that you are a part of God, and that all you need is here, right here, right now, that we don’t need to keep adding more, adding more complexity, adding more stuff.
00:24:56:13 – 00:25:23:16
Jason Prall
In fact, the best thing is to take away. To strip away. I don’t need to add more products in my bathroom to make my skin healthier. I need to add less things. Right? So this is a fundamental shift that we saw a little bit of this in the what’s it called the the the downsizing movement where everybody started getting smaller houses, the minimalist movement, you see you see a little bit that mentality, this idea showing up in the minimalist movement.
00:25:23:16 – 00:25:45:00
Jason Prall
But that tends to be with things, houses and cars and and that’s great. I applaud that. And we can apply that to the health world as well. Right. That the most the beneficial thing is to go outside is to slow down, is to take things out of our ears, to take things out of our our nervous system and just unplug.
00:25:45:00 – 00:26:06:13
Jason Prall
Right. So that was a big lesson that the engineering world taught me, that I’ve applied to health whenever I can. So it’s it’s not that I am devoid of tech. It’s more like recognizing that tech can be fun and it has a place. And don’t forget, you know, that I’m a child of God. I’m a child of the earth, and I can just walk simply through the world.
00:26:06:13 – 00:26:24:18
Jason Prall
And there’s numerous examples that you can you can point to throughout the world where people are doing this. They have nothing and they are so happy and they’re so healthy. And it’s remarkable to see. It’s so inspiring. That’s what we got to see. When we did the Human Longevity Project, when we were in Costa Rica, we were in Ikaria, Greece, when we were in Okinawa.
00:26:25:00 – 00:26:53:04
Jason Prall
Like, they just live differently and it’s so inspiring. And there’s an aspect of humanity of of like an ancient a remembering. And I saw this in she was in the indigenous world too. There’s an ancient remember. Oh yeah, like that. That’s possible. And there’s an aspect of myself that kind of remembers this way of living. It’s so embedded within our nature that it’s hard to forget when you see it.
00:26:53:04 – 00:27:19:20
Nathan Crane
I agree. I think sometimes simple is better. More often than not, even in our very complex and complicated lives. Not sexy, though. It’s not sexy, but it’s it can be a lot less stressful, I’ll tell you that much you just made me remember. I saw a video on social media this morning of Dave Asprey, and he was sharing his his morning supplement routine when he travels.
00:27:19:20 – 00:27:49:21
Nathan Crane
So I don’t know if this is every day or only when he travels. He was sharing like how to take his 81 supplements that he takes in the morning easily while he travels, separates them. I was like, Oh, that’s a great tip for people. How he did it, separate them into a bag and right. Aim and pack them away and it’s ready to go did it was it was a handful this big of supplements right and I’m just like I’m like 81 supplements in the morning like are you kidding me?
00:27:49:22 – 00:28:10:22
Nathan Crane
Are you I mean, there’s no way anybody could know all the potential contraindications between taking all those different supplements and all the other things you’re encountering in your life, number one. Number two, the thought, I mean, biohacking is cool and there’s a lot of good that has come from it and good things that come from it. But again, when do you go too far?
00:28:11:00 – 00:28:36:18
Nathan Crane
You know, in my opinion, when it’s you’re taking 81 supplements in the morning, if that’s a daily thing, to me that has gone way too far. We really set in my personal experience, in my own research, like 80 to 90% of our nutrition should come from our food, right? I mean, it really should, even with the argument that, yes, food, it has less vitamins and minerals today because the soil it’s grown in.
00:28:37:01 – 00:29:01:07
Nathan Crane
Yes, people are eating way more processed food. Yes, it’s more conventionally grown and doesn’t have as much of the nutrition. Even with that, if you eat a primarily whole food, nutrient dense plant based diet where you are getting, you know, a diversity of foods, you’re getting vegetables and fruits and berries and legumes and nuts and seeds and all these things.
00:29:01:07 – 00:29:41:12
Nathan Crane
On a regular day to day basis, you still can get 80 to even, I think 100% of your nutrition that your body needs to thrive, to live a long time, to be healthy, to fight off cancer, to fight off diseases from your food alone. And yes, I think there are supplements. I take supplements as well. I think there are supplements that can be beneficial, that can support longevity, that can help fight diseases, that can support, you know, as an athlete, for example, taking supplements that help to regenerate my body, of course, there are good supplements you can take, but when you get to that point where you’re taking 81 a day, I think you’ve gone
00:29:41:12 – 00:30:01:21
Nathan Crane
way too far. And then you lead people away from the simple again, simple, the simple fact that, hey, if you just eat real foods, whole foods, ideally organic foods on a day to day basis, that’s going to cover 80% of your nutritional needs, you know, 80 to 90%. And then you that’s what a supplement is meant to do, supplement your already healthy diet.
00:30:01:21 – 00:30:24:03
Nathan Crane
You can’t supplement your way to to great health it if you’re eating a shitty diet and you can’t if you’re eating a shitty diet, you can not supplement your way to great health. You need a good, healthy, nutrient dense diet first and then you can add in some supplements to tweak and help, you know, but hack biohacking, if you only use that term your health to the next level.
00:30:24:03 – 00:30:26:04
Nathan Crane
It’s just I mean, that’s just how it works.
00:30:27:01 – 00:30:49:05
Jason Prall
Yeah. Well and there’s and I would argue that a lot of the, let’s say supposed need for some of these supplements are actually only in need because we’ve created an environment that has perpetuated that need. In other words, because we have so many toxins in our environment. Yeah, we may need more alpha lipoic acid to help detox. Right.
00:30:49:17 – 00:31:06:16
Jason Prall
There’s there’s things that are happening in our environment that are creating a need that otherwise would actually be there. You know, again, I point to some of these societies around the world that are that are living off of a kind of a staple diet of rice and beans or something close to that might be Mundell and Rice. It might be.
00:31:06:16 – 00:31:40:05
Jason Prall
But but they’re very, very basic diets. They’re not eating a diverse range of foods and in a majority of cases. But yet they don’t overdo, you know, they they eat in a way that is so functional, that is so so aligned with their environment. And their environment is an imposing all this need for resource. Our environments are imposing some and like you mentioned the athlete that’s a that’s a person that that has an environment their sport there is an imposing a great need for extra stuff, extra resource, right.
00:31:40:05 – 00:32:01:16
Jason Prall
So that that person only needs that stuff because their environment that they’re choosing to partake in is, is, is creating that need. Right. So that’s what I think is happening, particularly in the West and it’s actually happened throughout the world is that our environments and again, it could be the actual, you know, earth environment or it could be whatever we’re engaging with is creating a need.
00:32:01:20 – 00:32:25:18
Jason Prall
But without that stimuli, we actually may not have so much a need for all this extra stuff. Right? So and again, my evidence for that is looking around the world and suggesting that they’re not that it’s not about the vitamins and minerals like we think as much. It’s actually about not creating this excess need for resource that must come from additional food or supplements.
00:32:25:18 – 00:32:49:10
Jason Prall
Right. So I think that again, but the bigger point here is the mentality that you’re pointing to. Right. And that we’ve been talking about, which is that, okay, 81. Why 81? Why not 150? Right. If there’s a mentality of if I take X, Y, Z, then it’s good, then why not just take more stuff? Because I can guarantee you I can find 150 things that that technically, theoretically might be beneficial to someone, right?
00:32:49:10 – 00:33:06:13
Jason Prall
So why not 150? Why not 300? Right. So like, where is the slippery slope of like how do we define the boundary here for each person, right? There’s no way anybody can test for this. And all the testing is kind of suspect. I used to do it for a living. It’s not it’s not as black and white as you think.
00:33:06:17 – 00:33:07:02
Jason Prall
Right.
00:33:07:02 – 00:33:12:16
Nathan Crane
And you do a lot of things you can test in urine that aren’t always totally accurate. You know, blood test for you don’t.
00:33:12:16 – 00:33:32:06
Jason Prall
Know the values. You know, we don’t we don’t know how high or how low, how much how wet, when that when to do this stuff, when to take these supplements. I mean, these are things that, you know, the ancient sciences of higher ed and Chinese medicine, they studied intimately. Right. The interaction between various herbs and compounds. Right. When to take something.
00:33:32:12 – 00:33:55:22
Jason Prall
Right. The dosage to take something. And they figured out in their own system how to kind of monitor that to a at least a decent degree. We’re not there even with our modern technology. We don’t we can’t test it’s a we’re taking still point in time, very limited window. And we don’t know the range. We don’t know the the biochemical or genetic individuality that somebody’s showing up with.
00:33:56:01 – 00:34:18:00
Jason Prall
So theoretically, you’d have to do like 30 or 40 different tests just to have a just have a starting point for somebody to figure out how something like, you know, a multivitamin or, you know, glucose iron is going to theoretically affect somebody based on all these different these cues and these these environmental situations that are going on. So, again, it’s it’s it’s not that I’m opposed to these things.
00:34:18:00 – 00:34:45:01
Jason Prall
It’s about putting them in their proper context. Right. I’ve got a whole drawer over here full of supplements. So I take them and I and I do, I do run testing. Right. And I’m also wise enough to recognize that at best this is a this is a guess. This is an educated guess. And I’m assuming that they’re helping me in the context that I’ve put them in and recognizing that there are more fundamental way to recognize a health in my world.
00:34:45:02 – 00:35:03:03
Jason Prall
So, you know, again, where does health come from in the first place? Like that is where this question comes from for me is like if one recognizes the origins of health itself, then we start to recognize that all this external stuff isn’t quite as needed as we as we might have thought.
00:35:03:03 – 00:35:10:16
Nathan Crane
Have you seen the new docu series? I think it’s four episodes on. I think it’s on Netflix Live to 100 about the blue zones.
00:35:11:05 – 00:35:13:21
Jason Prall
I’ve seen it. I’ve seen it there, but I haven’t watched it now.
00:35:14:01 – 00:35:27:23
Nathan Crane
Okay. I was going to ask you if you a thing. Yeah, I just I was going to ask you how how it was compared to, you know, your your experience going to the blue zones and filming and stuff like how accurate.
00:35:27:23 – 00:35:28:11
Jason Prall
I should.
00:35:28:11 – 00:35:53:15
Nathan Crane
Watch it is. It’s, it’s really good. It’s really well done. Like I thought you did a great job on it. Obviously, you got people coming out of the woodwork that are saying this is not accurate, that’s not accurate. You know, all the people who are against the the notion that, you know, in all of these places, most of their diet is predominantly plants.
00:35:53:23 – 00:36:12:16
Nathan Crane
Some of them do eat some fish, some of them do eat some meat or dairy from their, you know, the animals that they raise. But like you said, like in Nicoya, for example, like rice and beans is a staple diet, you know, in Costa Rica. And they’ll add some things on top of it. But they’re, you know, the whole series isn’t about the plant based diet.
00:36:12:16 – 00:36:37:11
Nathan Crane
It’s what I liked about it actually was how they looked at all the different aspects of each of country or each community and noticed some of the things they had in common where they looked at the different spiritual practices in each area. I think Okinawa, they had one. I can’t remember the name of the word center, like a like a purpose for life, right.
00:36:37:13 – 00:36:38:15
Nathan Crane
That Shinto is that we said.
00:36:39:09 – 00:36:41:13
Jason Prall
Oh, that’s kind of the religion.
00:36:41:13 – 00:36:51:04
Nathan Crane
Oh, since as a religion there’s a word that they have that’s like it’s your purpose in life, basically. And so it’s very common there that they ask you like, what is your purpose? Life.
00:36:51:24 – 00:36:52:10
Jason Prall
Yeah, you.
00:36:52:12 – 00:37:08:19
Nathan Crane
Guy. Guy. Yeah. So that was like one of the concepts and they had well over a dozen different concepts spread out through the different cultures, which I thought was really well done. And how they featured, you know, the diet was like one portion of like, you know, 20 different things that I thought was pretty cool. Yeah.
00:37:09:03 – 00:37:37:20
Jason Prall
I mean, the only reason actually I don’t tend to watch anymore blues on or reading my blues and stuff is because, because I’ve been there and b mostly because of that than what I see being produced about that stuff is, is, is service level. And I’m not, not ness, not really a NOC per se. But there’s, I think that that’s why I actually went to the blues on to begin with and use that as a template because I wanted to contrast the DBA aspect and we’ve already gotten into some of it today here in this conversation.
00:37:37:20 – 00:37:59:07
Jason Prall
But in view it’s the blue zone. Work was fantastic. Now Michelle Pullen is the demographer who really kind of did that with Dan Buettner. Fantastic. I love that they brought that to the world. And there’s only so much that we can gain by studying them. We don’t live in that environment. We will never live in that environment ever again.
00:37:59:07 – 00:38:26:12
Jason Prall
Right. That was it. Somebody that’s that’s 100 years old today in Ikaria, Greece, or Sardinia, in the mountains of Sardinia or in Okinawa, in the villages. They they grew up right in 1930s, 1940s, 1950s in those areas. Many of those places didn’t have electricity until 1960 or 1970. So imagine growing up 50 years of your life without electricity.
00:38:26:23 – 00:38:45:17
Jason Prall
You didn’t have refrigeration you didn’t have, you know, a freezer. You didn’t have a car. Right. Like you lived a totally different life. Right. We talked about the cord blood. They didn’t have they didn’t they weren’t the baby with 260 some odd chemicals in their cord blood. They breastfed probably till they were two or three or seven. Right.
00:38:45:20 – 00:39:09:00
Jason Prall
They lived in an entirely different environment. And we think about a human being we form in our first basically 25 years. But but the most important aspect of that is prepubescent, right? So In that prepubescent formation is our internal working model of the world, to use a psychology term, how we view the world, how we view ourselves, how we view our family.
00:39:09:04 – 00:39:26:04
Jason Prall
Right? Our emotional traumas, all of the think. And they grew up in a totally different environment. Right. So that was part of the Human Longevity Project that I really wanted to point to was like, Hey, guys, this is great. We can look at their diets, we can look at their their practices, we can look how they exercise. We can look all that is wonderful.
00:39:26:04 – 00:39:47:20
Jason Prall
And yes, we should do that. And we live in a different world. The things that you and I have to contest with and every American has to contest with is that not every most Americans have to contend with, and that when we walk into a grocery store, we have to make a choice. Do I go get those yummy cookies that are organic or do I go over here to the produce aisle?
00:39:49:05 – 00:40:13:07
Jason Prall
Right. They didn’t have to make those choices. They grew up in an environment that only produced food that grows in their environment. They had to face, you know, not as food shortages due to weather issues, due to some seasonal drought or seasonal something. Right. So they face totally different challenges and we face totally different challenges. We have to say no to the food.
00:40:13:20 – 00:40:32:17
Jason Prall
They were just trying to get enough food and be able to share it and provide enough safety and security and and all that. Right. So that’s the deeper thing that I think is important. You know, and when we talk about food, I didn’t meet a single vegan when we were out, okay? And yet most people I talked with were mostly vegetarian, not exclusively.
00:40:33:03 – 00:40:58:21
Jason Prall
And then a lot of people, which was interesting as they would many would eat, whether it was goat or deer in Costa Rica or whatever they would. Pig was a common one in many places. Why pig? It’s because pigs are easy to farm. They don’t require a lot of space. Don’t eat all your extra leftover food scraps. But, but, but in Costa Rica, the pigs that they were growing or they were farming, they would eat, they would give them avocados, they would give them.
00:40:58:21 – 00:41:26:15
Jason Prall
So even a pig has a totally different diet. And so they’re consuming a pig that has a totally different diet than the pigs that we might eat or the bacon that we might eat. Right. So so even that’s a drastic difference. Right. And so what was interesting was they all kind of different levels of plant based diet. And then many people had the intuitive awareness that even if they ate meat when they were younger, that as they got older they stopped eating meat because their digestion wasn’t as good.
00:41:26:18 – 00:41:46:24
Jason Prall
They realized that plants were a better fit for them, especially as they got older. Right? So we saw this very in Ikaria, in Sardinia. Some some people say, oh, I used to eat meat when my wife was born, but now I don’t need or vice versa, right? So like there was a whole wide spectrum, but what was centered around their diet was plant, right?
00:41:46:24 – 00:42:15:11
Jason Prall
Because they control that environment so much easier and they recognized that that was better for their health. And so now imagine the other thing that nobody likes to talk about in the sort of blue zone longevity world is that let’s take somebody from Sardinia in the mountains. And in fact, we talked to a historian that that told us that their genetics were preserved, like extremely well preserved, even when the Romans were doing their conquering, the Sardinians resisted and all this stuff.
00:42:15:11 – 00:42:34:10
Jason Prall
So their genetic pool was very well preserved. So now you have a population in all these populations of that way, right? Okay. Now is an island, right? In Sardinia is this peninsula. So they there was people that were there for centuries, if not millennia, that had the same gene pool in that same geography. So what does that mean?
00:42:34:14 – 00:43:02:01
Jason Prall
That means based on our understanding of epigenetics and how and let’s say Darwinian Darwinian adaptation, that over the generations that gene pool started to really specialized for that environment, really specialized for the culture, really specialized for the food. So now you have this gene pool that is so highly specific and specialized to the Sardinian mountains and the cheeses that they ate in there and that lack of fish in the mountains and the beans that they consumed consistently.
00:43:02:07 – 00:43:22:05
Jason Prall
And that and the tomatoes and the breads. Tons of breads. Right. So that gene pool was highly specialized for that same diet for hundreds of years, if not thousands of years. Right. So now we have to imagine I know what your heritage is, Nathan, but mine certainly not from San Diego, California, which would be kind of the Mexican kind of lineage.
00:43:22:05 – 00:43:36:12
Nathan Crane
That I’ve got some I’ve got some Viking. I’ve got some Viking in my blood, my parents. So are you eating what my family comes from comes from Denmark. And I did the research and I’m like, Oh, yeah, our ancestors were definitely Vikings. That makes sense. Yeah.
00:43:36:12 – 00:43:57:17
Jason Prall
And you’re you’re in Florida and you eat in a very diverse range of foods, right? So your environment, your food choices, everything. And not only that, I know your kids. Your kids are mixed. Right. And so this is really interesting. Now we’ve got let’s for many people that have mitochondria from mom who’s let’s say African and and half of the gene pool is African.
00:43:57:21 – 00:44:18:06
Jason Prall
And then also no mitochondria from dad who’s from Switzerland and the gene pool, now they’re mixed and now they’re living in Costa Rica, Germany. So like, what do we do with that? Right. So and I’m not saying this is good about it. In fact, it may be a good thing that we have kind of this more adaptable aspect to ourselves.
00:44:18:06 – 00:44:37:21
Jason Prall
I’m not sure. But there’s an interesting aspect. And then and then they didn’t because they didn’t have the medical aspect systems in these in these regions of of the blue zones. A lot of people would die when they were younger. Whether it was it’s not wasn’t so much at birth. Like people think like, yes, people died at birth, but it wasn’t so dramatic.
00:44:37:21 – 00:44:58:11
Jason Prall
Make the difference. But but people did die when they were young and and people would get injured and they would die for various reasons, whether it was infections or what have you. So now what again, this is the more morbid aspect of longevity in those regions. But now we have, let’s say, from a Darwinian perspective, a weaker gene pool or somebody that wasn’t as strong genetically.
00:44:58:11 – 00:45:18:15
Jason Prall
We have this is this is a truth that we all have in our modern world, too, that if those people weren’t going to live as long now you have the more, let’s say, optimize the gene pool for health and longevity that starts to form over hundreds of thousands of years. And so and because there wasn’t a lot of people leaving, then that gene pool again is sort of preserved.
00:45:18:15 – 00:45:36:24
Jason Prall
Right. So and there was a lot of people entering, right? But if you look at the United States like we are such a hodgepodge of all kinds of stuff and everybody’s living even in Sardinia. Now the younger people are leaving to the big cities, they’re leaving into the mainland of Italy. So now it’s being diluted. Everything is starting to be lost in these blue zones.
00:45:36:24 – 00:45:42:19
Jason Prall
So it’s not even so the ways of life are being lost. The genetic preservation, so to speak, is being lost.
00:45:42:19 – 00:46:09:07
Nathan Crane
So we’re on the amount of the amount of time. Yeah. The percentage of centenarians in these areas are also decreasing significantly. I mean, Okinawa, you know, which for a long time had that model. Yeah. As basically and you know and they also have you know so of the Western world that has been imposed, you know, fast food and these kinds of things that have been brought to those communities that, you know, the amount of centenarians there, it’s almost not even a zone anymore, technically.
00:46:09:12 – 00:46:32:18
Jason Prall
That’s right. It’s not. And we had we actually had to go into the rural areas because the main cities in Okinawa look like San Diego, look like everything I’m used to. And so this is exactly that. So I actually think that we’re not going to have a blue zone anymore. I think it’s I don’t think it’s going to happen because the Westernized, let’s say more modern way of living has infiltrated everything.
00:46:32:18 – 00:46:48:09
Jason Prall
Now, I don’t think that we’re going to find a region, and I think that when I talked to Michel one, he was like, he’s looking at Cuba because it was so isolated because of the sort of the communist aspect. And so it was isolated from the Western world. And so he went to look there. I don’t think he actually found somebody.
00:46:48:15 – 00:46:52:03
Jason Prall
Intuition was pretty, pretty good. And they have a little bit longer life.
00:46:52:10 – 00:47:15:14
Nathan Crane
Well, the one the the one thing that gives me hope is the Loma Linda community, which is right in the middle of the city. Right. You’re like in you’re basically it’s right it’s right outside L.A., isn’t it? And you’re, you know, and that’s a modern community. They drive cars. They live in our Western world. They, you know, they they work there in buildings that are around toxins 24 seven.
00:47:15:14 – 00:47:27:22
Nathan Crane
They’re basically living a normal modern life in California, yet have been designated as a blue zone, as a community of people because of how many centenarians live there. Right.
00:47:28:04 – 00:47:45:20
Jason Prall
So here’s I love this. So you bring up a really good point. And I talked to Michel about this and he said that it’s not technically a blue zone. He calls it a gray zone because what he defined as a blue zone was a region and all the people in the region. So the cool thing about Loma Linda is that it’s actually I’ve been there many times.
00:47:45:20 – 00:48:07:19
Jason Prall
It’s a kind of armpit. It’s really not a nice place in my opinion, like that part of California. But that that the that what’s really fascinating about Loma Linda is the seven Day Adventists, you know, that population specifically, which there’s a lot of them in Loma Linda, but Loma Linda is not exclusively 78. So if you take all the population of Loma Linda, it’s not really a blue zone.
00:48:07:23 – 00:48:13:21
Jason Prall
They actually included it in the original work because they wanted to have a US city so that it would attract more U.S. people.
00:48:14:01 – 00:48:20:18
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s technically the Seventh Day Adventist community that lives in Loma Linda and around that area, right?
00:48:20:18 – 00:48:42:12
Jason Prall
Yeah, but that is the cool point is that the way that they are living shows us that they have exceptional longevity despite this kind of more modern way of living. But again, they they take days off. Right. They’re very religious. They have a good sense of community. They they are they are actually into their health. Right. So the way that they’re that they’re vegetarian.
00:48:42:16 – 00:49:00:17
Jason Prall
So they they really take health as a part of their spiritual practice. And so that is the perfect example. That’s why I love Loma Linda is because they show us that. Exactly. We can’t live like the blue zones. We’ll never live like the blue zones. We don’t have that environment for us to thrive in. And yet we can still do it right.
00:49:00:22 – 00:49:14:16
Jason Prall
We can still institute this lifestyle of longevity. And what does that entail? What does that look like in the West? And I think that was my main thing is how do we how do we create longevity in the West? It’s different than the blue zone regions.
00:49:15:16 – 00:49:28:14
Nathan Crane
So what’s your what’s like your personal goal with longevity? Like, what do you want to get out of this life and see yourself living? You know, do you want to be 100 plus? Like.
00:49:30:01 – 00:49:52:20
Jason Prall
Yeah, I’m more curious. Like, I actually don’t have a desire to live a long time per se, right? I want to live in the moment as much as I can. So if that means living a long life, great. But. But somebody could theoretically live to 100 and completely missed the boat. Right. And not be present to that process.
00:49:52:20 – 00:50:10:14
Jason Prall
Right. So and yet somebody can live to 60 and be so present along the way that the 60 years they got were a true 60 years. You know what I mean? So so to me, it’s like, how can I continue to deepen my, my, my presence in the moment? How can I appreciate what I have along the way?
00:50:10:22 – 00:50:29:22
Jason Prall
So it’s really for me, I zero insights on how long I live. I actually don’t really care because that’s that’s always going to be in the future when I have that the only the only thing I have control of is how can I be here now and enjoying my days here. I could I could have this whole plan for longevity by bus tomorrow.
00:50:30:06 – 00:50:51:10
Jason Prall
Right. So for me, it’s it’s really about having that perspective. Would I love to live that long in a healthy way? Absolutely. I want to see what the world is like. I want to see what cool technology comes. I want to see what what cool philosophies and and environmental shifts. And I think the world is an ever changing, amazing place that has me excited about what’s coming.
00:50:51:18 – 00:51:11:05
Jason Prall
So I’m I’m eternally optimistic about where we’re going and what we’re going to do. I see that the world is only getting better, even if it feels more chaotic and seems more out of control. So I’m excited for what’s to come. So that’s that’s what if there’s any forward looking, it’s more about that. It’s like, oh, I can’t wait to see what happens.
00:51:11:05 – 00:51:26:24
Jason Prall
Right? It’s like it’s like watching a movie or something, right? Like that’s kind of how I feel. But the real practice for me is how, how can I get better at being present? How can I get better at being right here, right now, fully in my body? Right. For many of my years, I lived out of my body.
00:51:27:07 – 00:51:45:24
Jason Prall
And I think some people who have a little bit of embodiment training understand what I mean. And if you haven’t explored that realm, it may not totally register what that even means. I didn’t know what it meant for the longest time, and as soon as I started practice, practice of getting into my body, then I recognized, Oh my God, I’ve been living essentially out of my body my entire life.
00:51:46:18 – 00:52:04:10
Jason Prall
I’ve been living up here in my head, in my mind, at best, and now dropping into my body. It’s a different experience walking through the world. So for me, that’s the practice. It’s it’s really about doing that. And then from a longevity perspective, I guess you could say that, that the goal for me is to pass the exam, right?
00:52:04:11 – 00:52:29:00
Jason Prall
I mean, I’ve got a little one. So I have all kinds of people that I share my knowledge and experience with. So how can I share what I’ve learned with the people that are younger? And to me, that’s what I want to see, honestly, for for the West is this reestablishment of elders, right? The respect of elders and elders willing to step into that role and and actually view it as the role to be stepped into?
00:52:29:15 – 00:52:32:01
Jason Prall
Because I just don’t see a lot of that in our modern world.
00:52:32:13 – 00:52:52:18
Nathan Crane
Yeah. When you when you spend a lot of time around indigenous cultures and Native Americans, as I have and I know you have as well, that’s that’s a big conversation that comes up because that’s that’s a big part of indigenous cultures, not just here in the West, but all around the world, which is honoring the elders, respecting the elders.
00:52:52:18 – 00:53:11:11
Nathan Crane
And as they age and eventually get to a point where, you know, they are not as mobile and they do have limited mobility and limited health, that you then the families taking care of them, the communities taking care of them, and they have their cognitive function to then share their wisdom of life with you. And so it’s something really.
00:53:11:23 – 00:53:30:06
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And yeah, it’s crazy. It’s like we’ve gotten so far away from that here in the west where it’s like, Oh, you get old and decrepit. We send you away in a home and, you know, get you out of here. And and as people age, that’s what they’re worried about is losing their cognitive function, and rightly so. I mean, Alzheimer’s and dementia is is significantly on the rise.
00:53:30:18 – 00:53:50:01
Nathan Crane
You know, neurological diseases are significantly on the rise, all these chronic health conditions. And then people are so, you know, struggling financially just to barely take care of themselves. So then they can’t even imagine taking care of an elder family member. So it’s like, yeah, get them out of here and we love you. We’re but we’re sorry. We can’t take care of you.
00:53:50:01 – 00:53:50:12
Nathan Crane
You know, you need.
00:53:50:12 – 00:53:50:23
Jason Prall
Your bird.
00:53:50:23 – 00:53:52:01
Nathan Crane
Home or someone to burden.
00:53:52:01 – 00:53:52:16
Jason Prall
On society.
00:53:53:02 – 00:54:19:15
Nathan Crane
Right. And so I think that’s that is a two, two part focus, as you were briefly talking about, which is one as we age, we should think about taking the best care of ourself we possibly can so we can age with wisdom. We, as my friends George and Serena Campanella say, who run an organization called Age Nation, you know, in the second half of life, learning how to age gracefully.
00:54:19:15 – 00:54:36:24
Nathan Crane
So when you’re 60, 70, 80, 90, if you live that old that you have your cognitive function, you have your health, you are not a burden on your family or your community, and you do the best that you can within your control. Not everything is in our control, right? You could end up in a wheelchair. Something could happen.
00:54:36:24 – 00:55:16:04
Nathan Crane
We know all these things. You’d be struck by lightning, you know. So a leg bitten off by a shark, who knows? You know, God forbid those things happen, but who knows? And but you have the wisdom to impart maybe some laughter to share with people, stories, you know, things to to help share with your family and community. And then we as individuals, as children of our parents, of our elders, think of, okay, when they do age, how can we be in a position to support them, to learn from them, to respect them, to, you know, care for them, just like they cared for us when we were, you know, in diapers.
00:55:16:04 – 00:55:40:11
Nathan Crane
If if you do, you know, those you tuning in to have obviously somebody cared for you when you were in diapers and the you wouldn’t have made it. So I think that is it’s a beautiful thing. I’ve been talking about it with a lot of Native American tribes in council, in conversations, as well as a lot of just younger spirit, you know, people in into spirituality, having this conversation for years and years, because I think it’s it’s incredibly important.
00:55:40:14 – 00:56:02:24
Nathan Crane
We have the baby boomers who are we’re going to have the largest, oldest group of human beings on the planet here in the West in all time that we know of coming up very soon. And most people, you know, are not in a position to take care of themselves or have someone take care of them. So it’s it’s a real it’s a real concern.
00:56:04:02 – 00:56:23:11
Jason Prall
Yeah. And I think, again, it’s there’s such a fundamental shift with this whole process, right? Because who are the elders that we were turning to as young people? Right. There’s nothing more that I get excited about than having an elder that I can look to. And I’m not talking somebody that’s 90. I’ve talked about some of that 60.
00:56:23:11 – 00:56:40:08
Jason Prall
There’s just a little bit older than me right. And it’s and we have, I think, a mutual friend, Kesha, you or Dr. Kishi or I’ve talked to her about this. And she’s at that point in her life where she’s stepping into the elder role and she’s embracing it. She doesn’t see it as, oh, that means if you call me and go, that means you think I’m old.
00:56:40:13 – 00:56:58:23
Jason Prall
No, no, she goes, I understand what this means. This is a great honor. This is a this is a duty. This is something that that she doesn’t take lightly. And she steps into it, recognizing that she can make a huge difference, playing role. And I think I’m viewing it as a role more than an age. Right. It’s not an age thing.
00:56:59:04 – 00:57:34:02
Jason Prall
Somebody can step into an elder role at the age of 40 or 50 perhaps. Right. Like it’s not about being old. It’s about stepping into a role and recognizing what your role is. And so that’s to me, what I’m excited about when I go into indigenous communities, when I go into these, you know, let’s say even to even one in the East, they don’t have to be indigenous, but but like in the eyes of the community, the Chinese medicine community, Indian martial arts communities and in the spiritual communities there, there is a more hierarchical aspect of what they do and it is largely dependent on experience and capability.
00:57:34:02 – 00:57:54:15
Jason Prall
So, you know, you look to the people who are above you because they are more capable, because they have more experience, because they have wisdom to impart, to make your life easier, to make your life better, maybe not even easier. That may be the right word better right there, helping you get to where you really want to go and recognize who you are and what this is all about.
00:57:54:24 – 00:58:26:08
Jason Prall
And to me, that’s what I love being in the presence of those beings who have who have consciously stepped into that role as an elder because I know that they know what that means and that they can show me the way. Right. And as as young ones, we just don’t know. My four year old son, he doesn’t that I’m that I’m his elder, that I’m actually guiding him to what I believe is for his best interest, that he thinks I’m just, you know, taking something away that he can’t and that he’s taking and not letting him play with the iPad.
00:58:26:08 – 00:58:52:00
Jason Prall
Right. Or something like that. Right. Like he just he gets upset, right. That there’s that there’s an aspect of what I’m doing for his own good. Right? So as we mature, hopefully we at some point we recognize, oh, this elder is looking out for me. They have my best interests at heart and it is up to me to make the choice to an agency right, to have that agency, to make that choice, to follow their guidance and to to listen to what they have to say.
00:58:52:00 – 00:59:10:02
Jason Prall
So there’s a humility that must come in. There’s a there’s a respect that must come in. And for this to to to to work. And it’s it’s it’s to people playing a role, right? It’s the elders stepping into that role. And it’s, it’s the young one that is looking up to the elder in with respect and with with honor and grace.
00:59:10:02 – 00:59:28:08
Jason Prall
Right. So I just don’t see that in our society it hasn’t been inculcated. And I’m not blaming the elders and I’m not blaming the young people. They’re just that relationship has been a little bit lost. Yeah, there’s been a centralized focus on individualism, right. And the ability to to handle yourself by yourself. Right. And we’re still seeing that.
00:59:29:00 – 00:59:40:16
Jason Prall
And I think that’s a it’s a big detriment. Right. It’s there’s an aspect of of individualism that is good and it can be taken to its extreme, which is inherently bad for the individual and for society.
00:59:40:16 – 01:00:09:06
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And I’m just you talk a little bit about presence earlier, which I think is one of those essential elements for all of us to experience a lot more of in our lives if we want to cultivate more wisdom as we age and build to share that with others, I know that, you know, daily meditation practice and qigong practice and really focusing on presence in my life for the past, you know, almost two decades now has been essential in my own well-being.
01:00:09:06 – 01:00:31:11
Nathan Crane
And I still have a lot more work to do, you know. But I know that without that practice of finding times and places throughout the day to be present to connect with my breath, to meditate, to turn everything off and go sit outside with no phone, no nothing for ten or 15 minutes in the sun and just relax and deep breathe and just think and be present in the moment.
01:00:31:20 – 01:00:58:05
Nathan Crane
Like taking those times throughout the day and having scheduled times to do it has been unbelievably helpful in in my own journey. And I think people forget how powerful they really are. The power that you have inside your own mind, inside your own soul, inside your own capacity to connect with God and receive wisdom and guidance. You know, you don’t get that when you’re constantly busy worrying about the past or the future.
01:00:58:05 – 01:01:29:04
Nathan Crane
And never taking time to pause and breathe and just relax and find that stillness in that presence, because that is the doorway into wisdom, right? That is the doorway into receiving downloads that that tell you go right instead of left, call this person and do this thing and take care of this and all of a sudden, you know, you get this snowball effect where your life is headed in a really good direction when before maybe it wasn’t in such a good direction, maybe before was so full of stress or full of anxiety.
01:01:29:11 – 01:01:57:24
Nathan Crane
I know in my own case, you know, dealing with addiction and alcohol addiction and drug addiction, all that stuff early on, it was just it was a snowball effect into, a negative direction. You know, death or prison was where I was headed. And it took me really getting serious about meditation and really diving deep into spiritual practices and really creating multiple practices throughout my day where when I started 16, 17 years ago, you know, I would meditate for hours at a time.
01:01:57:24 – 01:02:18:24
Nathan Crane
Well, now, you know, running multiple businesses and volunteering on nonprofits and having two children and, you know, training as an athlete like I don’t have three or four or 5 hours a day to meditate. So I do 10 minutes in the morning and 10 minutes between, you know, interviews in 10 minutes and afternoon. And when I wake up, when I go to sleep, it’s like you bring it in throughout your day.
01:02:19:10 – 01:02:36:09
Nathan Crane
And it’s those moments of stillness, of presence, of of peace, of practice, where then it starts to trickle into the rest of your day. Right? You might find yourself worrying about the future of the past. It’s like, Oh, it doesn’t matter. Let me be present right here, right now, and just focus on what I can do right now.
01:02:36:09 – 01:03:04:14
Nathan Crane
And I think and I know, in fact, for me, one of the reasons I love CrossFit, I have found CrossFit like six years ago and I think why a lot of people love CrossFit even if they don’t know it is because when you’re in that intense or any kind of high intensity interval training, when you’re in that intense physical and mental demanding experience, whether it’s for 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 20 minutes, you can’t be worrying about the past or the future.
01:03:04:21 – 01:03:26:11
Nathan Crane
There’s no ability to do that. You are in the moment, in the moment, the whole time for that ten, 15, 20 minutes of intense working out, all you’re thinking about is what I can do right now in this moment. And and I think that’s a powerful way to both take care of your physical health, but also, you know, your mental practice of being in the moment.
01:03:26:11 – 01:03:48:13
Nathan Crane
So if you can do it in a workout, an intense workout, you can also do it like I do it in my ice bath in the morning. Right. I do it. I find many, many different times throughout the day and people tuning in can do the same thing, find those times throughout the day where you can be present and and connect to your heart, connect to your soul and just sit with the moment.
01:03:48:13 – 01:04:06:17
Nathan Crane
And some people go, Oh, yeah, that’s boring. That’s stupid. Why would I do that? Well, that’s why I’m giving you some context, right? And I love for you to share on your experience with that. It took me a long time to realize the benefits of meditation. I felt them immediately. I didn’t know what was actually happening until years later.
01:04:07:03 – 01:04:37:03
Nathan Crane
And what I found out years later was from all my practice of meditation and qigong and breathwork, etc., was that it was started building this container of awareness in this container of resilience, in this container of self-control, right? So that when you’re confronted with a challenging situation, you’re confronted with a challenging relationship, a fight, an argument, the loss of a business, a lawsuit, whatever, a physical health condition, whatever.
01:04:37:11 – 01:05:01:08
Nathan Crane
You’re significantly more prepared to handle that with less stress and more effectiveness. And that’s been you know, I’ve noticed that in my life again and again and again, when these things that maybe would wipe somebody out completely, it’s like, yeah, stressed out for a few hours a day or two and then boom, the solutions right there comes easily and you find it and follow it.
01:05:01:08 – 01:05:10:17
Nathan Crane
But that I know that could never have happened before unless I had those practices along the way. What you know, what what’s been your experience with that?
01:05:11:19 – 01:05:33:22
Jason Prall
Well, you remind me of a quote that an email in in Sardinia, I believe, said that 98 year old guy. And he told me and, you know, when I was younger, the body was busy and the mind was still. Now, the problem I see is that the mind is busy and the body is still. And I thought, wow, like that is such an insightful thing to say because it’s not about an exercise.
01:05:33:22 – 01:05:51:01
Jason Prall
It’s about moving the body and stilling the mind. Right. Like you mentioned, that was CrossFit. People still do that with gardening, was playing with their dog, was playing with their children, whatever they may love to do that involves moving the body. It has an inherent quality to relax the mind. Right. And what do you see around us? Right.
01:05:51:01 – 01:06:11:05
Jason Prall
We see we’re not moving as much and our minds are going nuts. Right. And so, you know, really what I was thinking about as you were talking was the process of deconditioning, right? Human beings are the most adaptable creatures. I think that we that we know of. Right. We can adapt to different environments and different temperatures and different foods.
01:06:11:07 – 01:06:40:12
Jason Prall
We are so unbelievably adaptive. And that’s a it’s a very valuable trait. And the flipside of that is that we are conditional. In other words, no matter what environment we get into, we adapt to it. And then we we are conditioned mentally, physically, emotionally, etc., genetically, even. And so when we get conditioned to the things that you were talking about, right, it may be conditioned to certain foods or drugs or behaviors that are not desirable or it may be even more subtle.
01:06:40:12 – 01:06:56:15
Jason Prall
Right. The way that we’re thinking, the daily habits that we’re engaged in are so conditioned that many people have a hard time just sitting still. Look at it. Look at a young one these days. Look at a 15 year old or six, you know, and just ask them. In fact, I think I heard about this. There’s a new movement.
01:06:56:15 – 01:07:08:01
Jason Prall
I thought it was so funny. What is it called? I think they call it silent walking. And this is like a thing. It’s it’s like it’s like going crazy on TikTok. Like, oh, I’m going my son, like walking today as they.
01:07:08:05 – 01:07:11:03
Nathan Crane
And they film themselves while they’re walking so well.
01:07:11:11 – 01:07:18:18
Jason Prall
That was part of it that you were laughing about. But, but this is like on one hand, I applaud the youngsters and yeah.
01:07:18:18 – 01:07:26:07
Nathan Crane
That’s what I mean in Buddhism. I did you know, I learned this in San Diego 15 years ago. We did walking meditations all the time. Right. But anyway.
01:07:26:16 – 01:07:48:22
Jason Prall
And they’re not even taking it that deep. So but at least they’re starting to this idea. But I think it’s hilarious, right? Like that’s the level of of chaos that’s going on inside the mind of someone who was born in the cell phone area and the Internet era in the AI era. Right. Is that they many of them and many of us as adults can’t just sit still.
01:07:49:02 – 01:08:08:13
Jason Prall
And many people, listeners probably have tried meditating and they’re like, I can’t do it right. And it’s not that they can’t, but the feeling is, is that I can’t because there’s so much going on in the mind that it’s actually uncomfortable. There’s actually a stress signal, a fear signal, a danger signal in the mind body that arises of, oh, my God, I’m not safe by sitting here.
01:08:08:17 – 01:08:24:10
Jason Prall
And that’s not a conscious thought. That’s what the body mind is perceiving of, Yeah, this is not safe to just sit here. I got to go do something right. And so if you were that type of person who’s tried meditating, you’re like, I can’t do I ain’t for me. Then there’s a number of ways to do that, right?
01:08:24:10 – 01:08:43:10
Jason Prall
You mentioned a few going to an ice bath, right. That’s that’s awful for for many people at the beginning. And it becomes it’s a very addictive thing and it has a lot of the same characteristics of meditation in quieting the mind and a somatic experience. Not only that, it increases actual resiliency in the body and the mind, of course.
01:08:43:16 – 01:09:06:06
Jason Prall
Right. And then you can do walking meditations, right? You can you can do yoga, you can do breathwork, breathwork is a fantastic tool for those who feel like they can’t meditate because it’s a you can control your breath, right? So it’s consciously controlled and there’s a somatic there’s a body experience that can happen and it creates the mind and the nervous system and it gives you something to focus on.
01:09:06:07 – 01:09:26:24
Jason Prall
Right. So that’s the beautiful part, is that most people with meditation, they need something for their mind to focus on. And the breath can be that thing, even if it’s not in a meditative state. There’s all kinds of tools to do this. But but again, fundamentally, what we’re talking about is deconditioning, we’re getting rid of these old behavioral patterns, thought patterns, nervous system patterns, emotional patterns.
01:09:27:08 – 01:09:57:05
Jason Prall
And there’s a lot of things that can do that, right? So you mentioned a handful of them. And I think anything that’s going to incorporate that body is going to be more effective than otherwise, especially for many of us today. Right. And so if you’re if you’re if meditation is not your thing, find a way to incorporate the body, whether it’s a Pilates class or a yoga class or a CrossFit class or a Breathwork class or play or, you know, anything that’s going to any kind of movement aspect, you will start to the condition, right?
01:09:57:06 – 01:10:16:10
Jason Prall
And then and this is what I love about changing behavior patterns find things that you’re doing throughout the day and start to shift the patterns, right? This is why so many people will have a different experience when I go on vacation or when they go any kind of trip. It’s because the entire environment’s different. So their behavioral patterns shift their mental pattern shift, their emotional pattern shift.
01:10:16:22 – 01:10:40:07
Jason Prall
Right? So so it’s really a process of deconditioning and when we can start to deconditioning now as you mentioned, the container for what’s really here starts to grow, right? That all the external stimuli and all the external aspects of reality start to fall into the background. And what starts to show up is me and my awareness and who I am and what I am and what I’m capable of and how easy it is just to be here.
01:10:40:16 – 01:11:10:05
Jason Prall
Right. So it’s a big process. I mean, I think it’s a lifelong process. And there’s that first little part that if you can just kind of get over the hump, then it starts getting a lot more fun, a lot easier, and then life just starts to organize around you. That that’s the cool thing about, you know, that you hear about the secret and and all these money people talk about, you know, money makeover and mental money, mental makeovers and, you know, the trying to change the prosperity and the happiness and the and the experience in the world.
01:11:10:10 – 01:11:34:02
Jason Prall
Well, that starts to naturally shift as you start to deconditioning the old habits and old thoughts and old emotions and old nervous system patterns. The reality around you starts to change, right? And this is why I love the spiritual practices that she gong’s the embodiment practices, the breathwork stuff, the yoga is all this stuff starts to change the internal state and reality organizes around you.
01:11:34:02 – 01:11:53:00
Jason Prall
That’s the cool thing. You don’t have to project your new state onto the world. It naturally starts to shift. And that’s when when you start to notice that, then it’s like it gives me goosebumps. It’s like that to me was, always what I was waiting for as it as a young one, you know, when I was younger and trying to figure out life, I had to impose my self on it.
01:11:53:01 – 01:12:15:23
Jason Prall
I got to fix something, I got to do something, I got to learn something. I have to I basically have to carve my environment to what I wanted it to be. Right? And that worked to a degree. But what I found was so much easier and so much more effective was that as I start to decommission myself, my reality starts to naturally organize itself around me in a way that’s more harmonious, that’s so much easier, that’s so much more fun.
01:12:15:23 – 01:12:35:00
Jason Prall
That’s so much more exciting, right? Like, I’m not I don’t project my thoughts as much onto the world and so therefore anything can come in, right? So it’s such a cool to live in. And again, I feel like I’m just scratching the surface, but I’ve recognized at least a point of it to enjoy it and to keep doing some of this deconditioning.
01:12:35:15 – 01:12:40:15
Jason Prall
So that reality can organize in a way that’s to my best interest.
01:12:40:15 – 01:13:22:20
Nathan Crane
I’ve been reading more about these scenes lately and their actual daily practices. They have seven morning, one every four every day in the morning, one for every day in the evening, one for every day at noon, and then every seventh day the Sabbath and then every seventh Sabbath, the great Sabbath, all of these spiritual and physical health and mental emotional practices where they’re, you know, literally connecting with, you know, what they call the angels, like the angel of the sun, the angel of the earth, the Heavenly Father, the angel of the of like the, you know, nature, the food, etc., etc..
01:13:23:06 – 01:13:55:04
Nathan Crane
And literally meditating on each of these different aspects. So opening themselves to it and then meditating upon each one and a different one for each day. And as I’ve been reading through their practices more and more, it’s really cool because I’m like, Yeah, this is exactly what we do in Qigong, right? So I’ve once I’ve once I discovered qigong, the first time I experienced qigong, I didn’t even know it was technically qigong was in I was living in San Diego.
01:13:55:04 – 01:14:19:12
Nathan Crane
And this is probably, you know, somewhere between 14 and 16 years ago. And then I met a master Qigong teacher, Ming Tong, you know him in Santa Fe, New Mexico, probably. I think it was in 2000, 15 or 16 maybe. And then I started studying with him and went to his retreats and started practicing daily and have been practicing ever since.
01:14:19:12 – 01:14:42:21
Nathan Crane
And what’s really interesting to me is how this practice that’s thousands of years old, some say 5000, 7000, 10,000 plus years old, you know, there’s documented practices of qigong all the way back to the yellow emperor, for example. Those are the same kinds of practices that the is seen as practice. It’s this connection to the the natural world around us.
01:14:42:21 – 01:15:11:16
Nathan Crane
It’s this connection to opening ourselves to the energies of the universe, the energies of God, you know, the energies of the natural world around us for our health and healing, for our awakening, for our longevity, for our happiness, for our joy and the meditating and reflecting on these things daily. And, you know, the scenes are from about the second century B.C., so 1000 years ago.
01:15:12:03 – 01:15:43:03
Nathan Crane
And, you know, here they are practicing the same things that people in ancient China practiced five, seven, 10,000 years ago. You know, so it’s amazing how these practices and they call it something different, but it’s the same thing. And then you go to India, you know, you’ve you’ve you’ve done a lot of work with are you Veda write and research on how you Veda and these ancient Indian health and spiritual practices and you see a lot of similarities in the ancient yogic as well.
01:15:43:03 – 01:16:08:23
Nathan Crane
And so people have been our ancestors from all around the world have been tuning into this wisdom for centuries and discovering that there is so much more in the intangible realms of our existence that we can connect to, to accelerate and activate our own inner healing, our own inner awakening, so we can live with more joy and health and happiness and longevity.
01:16:08:23 – 01:16:42:04
Nathan Crane
And I think I know for sure in my own life that has been unbelievably beneficial to me in so many ways with my businesses, with my work, with my health, with my family, my kids, my wife. And I think it is also something that our culture desperately needs right now is the ancient practices brought forth into our modern time so that we can live with more peace, stop having so many wars, stop living in so much fear and anxiety and stress and depression.
01:16:42:04 – 01:17:06:23
Nathan Crane
Stop living with so much chronic disease and actually live healthy, happy lives. I mean, I really believe every person is here, has the opportunity and ability and the right to live a healthy, happy, peaceful life. And yet there are so many things that are preventing that. But with these kinds of practices and traditions, we we could change all of that.
01:17:07:15 – 01:17:10:20
Nathan Crane
And that’s, you know, I find that incredible. I find it fascinating.
01:17:11:11 – 01:17:14:22
Jason Prall
I feel like I wanted to record that as a commercial for my book.
01:17:15:06 – 01:17:15:13
Nathan Crane
Because.
01:17:16:14 – 01:17:37:20
Jason Prall
That was the essence of what I wrote the book for. And created the series for, which is that there’s ancient practices, guys, and they come from all traditions all over the world, and they may look different or sound different or may have different names, but that’s exactly the things that we need to bring forth from the past. And then also, yeah, here’s some cool new stuff that we have to write, but it’s like, let’s not forget about that.
01:17:38:02 – 01:18:04:22
Jason Prall
There’s a, there’s an indigenous teacher master from Columbia that he that I’ve learned from throughout the years. And he talks about fasting as a spiritual payment. So I love these these like names that make give these things is a spiritual payment, right? Or communing with nature is kind of a spiritual payment. I mean, in other words, these these things that we should do in order to be grateful for for what we’re given and to give back to nature, to give back to God.
01:18:04:22 – 01:18:28:11
Jason Prall
Right. And so what would a cool way to think about it? And isn’t it funny that that fasting is a spiritual payment is is practiced in a lot of indigenous American cultures. It’s been known about in Iron Veda and Chinese medicine. It’s known about in all the religious teachings as something that’s really important for not only spiritual health, but also physical, emotional and mental health.
01:18:28:11 – 01:18:50:04
Jason Prall
Right. And then now we have Western science talking about what fasting does to the body. And it’s a little bit more of a materialistic point of view. Nevertheless, it still gives us confirmation that all these traditions, all these cultures, all these religious groups have known for thousands of years that taking a break from food and even taking a break from, water and food is beneficial for us.
01:18:50:13 – 01:19:11:15
Jason Prall
Right. So, again, it’s it’s it’s it’s some of the core message that I’ve been bringing out with my work in the book, in the series, which is that like, we don’t need more, sometimes we need less, and I need to take away food. It’s not even switching to organic kale, it’s actually taking the kale too. Like let’s, let’s actually take things away.
01:19:12:00 – 01:19:37:20
Jason Prall
And we recognize there’s a benefit. And when we eat food, you know, it’s it’s not just about what food or eating, it’s how much we’re eating, it’s how often we’re eating, right? It’s how we’re eating the food. Are we chewing it thoroughly? Well, masticating it and getting saliva coating all the molecules, eating it slowly enough so that a hydrochloric acid is in our stomach, signaling our whole digestive tract to do the rest of the work.
01:19:38:01 – 01:19:59:01
Jason Prall
Right. We’re eating even foods and combinations, which is talked about in many cultures. And now we’re recognizing the truth of that because things digest different timings. So there’s all kinds of wisdom that we can bring forth. And yet so much of it is so simple, right? We’ve invented all these amazing digestive enzymes and all this cool stuff with how to increase digestive capacity.
01:19:59:07 – 01:20:22:03
Jason Prall
Or we could eat less quantity, eat when we’re hungry. In other words, our body is ready, receive food. All the signals are there, right? We eat slowly enough so that the body can actually metabolize the food that we’re giving it. And then we stop before we overeat. You do that and you’re going to accomplish more than any supplement protocol can ever give you.
01:20:22:14 – 01:20:35:05
Jason Prall
Right. And then and by the way what I just talked about, there holds true even if you’re eating a McDonald’s hamburger. Right. So that is a fundamental truth, even more so than which food I consume.
01:20:35:10 – 01:20:59:13
Nathan Crane
Yeah, but you can’t. You can’t people can’t not eat more when they eat something like McDonald’s because they literally have that millions of dollars of, you know, they paid a scientist to put the chemicals in flavors and preservatives and sugars in the food to to trick your brain into making you eat more food. Right. So this is true, too, as what you’re saying is 100% true.
01:20:59:14 – 01:21:28:00
Nathan Crane
100% true. And yet people don’t realize how manipulated that their physiological systems are, that their brain is by these corporations that are intentionally investing in science tests, that are learning, that have learned, and they’ve known this for decades. How to get you to eat more of their shitty food, right? Like that’s that’s what they do. That’s what the more you eat, the more money they make and the more poison you have put in your body.
01:21:28:03 – 01:21:47:02
Nathan Crane
So it takes even more of what you’re saying. And what I’m saying takes even more willpower, even more, even more practice to become aware so that you can, you know, be in tune with your body and stop putting those foods into your body because they’re only going to, you know, lead to more disastrous health outcomes.
01:21:47:02 – 01:21:59:19
Jason Prall
Yeah, you’re totally right. And this is this is even a greater reason to do all those other things. And what’s interesting, too, is that, you know, when it comes to something like fast food, which, you know, I ate some when I was younger, I drink soda on occasion.
01:21:59:19 – 01:22:04:14
Nathan Crane
And I was I was a fast food junkie growing up. Did I was born addicted to it. Yeah.
01:22:05:00 – 01:22:12:23
Jason Prall
But they don’t even cross my mind. I don’t even know where they are in town. Like, if I, if I were to drive past on my brain, it’s like almost doesn’t even see.
01:22:12:23 – 01:22:34:05
Nathan Crane
Isn’t it weird when you do see one, a fast food restaurant, you’re like, that’s still like like my someone said something about Taco Bell the other day and I was like, Taco Bell still exists. Like Are you serious? Like, in my mind, like, those places don’t even exist anymore out in the world. It’s funny how your brain is like, shut off to those things because I couldn’t tell you where a single fast food restaurant is, where we live.
01:22:34:14 – 01:22:35:00
Nathan Crane
I mean.
01:22:35:07 – 01:22:44:04
Jason Prall
And it’s and it’s again, it kind of speaks to my point of like almost reality starts to organize in a different way. Yeah, right. It’s not that the reality shifted, it’s, it’s our perception.
01:22:44:04 – 01:22:44:11
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
01:22:44:23 – 01:23:12:06
Jason Prall
That’s right. Starts to shift. And so that’s, that’s the amazing part is that when you start to eat better things happen with your emotional, mental and spiritual health. When you start to do spiritual practices, things happen with your with your physical, mental and emotional health and your choices you’re making. Right? So everything has this unbelievable interaction. And it’s why that, you know, for any of us to try to improve our health, we don’t have to do all the things we just got to start somewhere.
01:23:12:14 – 01:23:39:22
Jason Prall
And as you start and you build, everything starts to build on itself and you create this amazing foundation for for what healthy living starts to look like. Right? And that impacts everything around you. So again, I think it comes down to the choices that we make and the awareness that we have. And I’ll go back to the point I made earlier about chewing our food thoroughly and eating slowly, eating at the right time of day, circadian rhythm wise, you know, eating not eating a huge meal.
01:23:39:22 – 01:24:08:19
Jason Prall
Right after we just did a CrossFit workout because your body’s not ready to receive and digest, it’s caught in sympathetic overdrive. So there’s timings of all this stuff, right? And so as we start to get become aware, this stuff, we start making better choices. As we make better choices, it has it has downstream impacts on everything. I was caught when I was younger, in a place of constant struggle with my in other words, my focus is so narrowed on getting better and fixing the problems that I had with my health that I actually couldn’t follow my dreams.
01:24:08:19 – 01:24:25:02
Jason Prall
It was it was very difficult to even realize what my dreams were. And so that’s that’s kind of why I got into the health practitioner was I wanted to help people get out of that because when we’re stuck in a health crisis, everything else kind of fades away. And it almost should because that is the most important thing is your health, right?
01:24:25:02 – 01:24:48:03
Jason Prall
So as we can unwind that, that whole situation now the world opens up to us in a completely new way. And it’s why it’s so important and so valuable and so worthwhile to invest in these practices in these choices. Because what what you’re unpacking, you don’t even realize yet. You don’t even know your first goal when you’re stuck in.
01:24:48:03 – 01:25:03:24
Jason Prall
A health crisis is I just want to get better. I just want this thing to go away. I just want to be able to walk. I want there to be no pain. I want whatever it is for you that you want the thing to be better. But what actually is happening as you start to resolve that is the world opens up, right?
01:25:03:24 – 01:25:25:15
Jason Prall
And that is and if you if you actually have some of that insight before your health crisis, you resolved, that can be an orientation, a guiding light out of that situation. In other words, one of the tools that I’ve only recognized after the fact was, oh, I can focus on what is my purpose, what is my mission, what is my why, what is my dream?
01:25:25:23 – 01:25:43:22
Jason Prall
As my friend project talks about this, what is your dream? Not now. What do you want to get rid of and what do you want to resolve? What is your actual dream? And if you focus on that, it makes it so much easier to to get out of a crisis. And again, what opens up for you is, is the magic and is the fun part and is what makes it so worthwhile.
01:25:43:22 – 01:25:47:10
Jason Prall
No matter how detrimental your situation is.
01:25:47:10 – 01:26:05:01
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I love that you talked about fasting, you know, as a spiritual practice as well just just a moment ago, because the first time I did a fast or a cleanse was around 2007, and I had no idea what a faster cleanse was. You know, I just had a buddy who was like, I’m doing the master cleanse. You want to do it?
01:26:05:02 – 01:26:24:00
Nathan Crane
I was like, Sure. I was like. What’s that? And then he sat down and told me about it and it’s like, you know, I’m doing five days of nothing but water. And then in that water, we put some cayenne pepper, some lemon and some maple sirup, and that’s it. You walk around with a jug of this liquid and just drink it, you know, for days on end.
01:26:24:00 – 01:26:40:08
Nathan Crane
You don’t eat anything. You don’t take anything else. And that was it. And I was like, Sure, why not? You know, it sounds interesting. This is a new experience. Why not? So I did the five days and what was really interesting to me was at the end of that five days, this is the only way I can explain it.
01:26:41:02 – 01:27:12:08
Nathan Crane
I literally felt like, number one, I could feel my organs for the first time, I could feel the organs inside of my body. And I’d never thought about my organs in that way before. I could feel, that they were happy. And it’s like it’s there’s no other way to explain it other than I felt like my stomach, my intestines, my liver, my heart, like my, my inner organs were like thanking me for taking a break from all this shit I was putting in my body.
01:27:12:21 – 01:27:38:13
Nathan Crane
And at the same time, that was a physical connection, a physical thing, kind of first eye opening thing that I had then. It was the mental emotional thing. It was the resilience. It was noticing the addiction to food. It was, you know, developing that self determination, self-will when you want to eat and you don’t anyway and like learning to control that temptation of the body, the addiction to food of the body.
01:27:38:18 – 01:28:04:11
Nathan Crane
So having that control is incredibly valuable when we’re talking about, you know, limiting food intake or the types of processed foods you’re putting into your body, you know, reducing the chemical foods that are causing you to be addicted to them so that self-control and mental emotional self-control was incredible. And then and then the spiritual aspect of it, like I felt my mind was more heightened, my awareness was more heightened.
01:28:04:17 – 01:28:25:08
Nathan Crane
You know, our lives are so much centered around food. And as an athlete who is focused on gaining weight as a competitive CrossFit athlete, like my life is really focused around food right now more than it’s ever been in my entire life. I’ve never tried gaining weight before in my life. That’s not been in and it’s not been an easy thing because I have to eat a lot more than I want to.
01:28:25:15 – 01:28:32:01
Nathan Crane
And that’s not the prescription for longevity. It is a prescription for what I’m doing with my short term goals right now.
01:28:32:07 – 01:28:42:04
Jason Prall
I’m going to pause you right there. That beautiful, by the way, because this is so important that, you know, some people think running, for example, long distances is like really good for your health and like, no, it’s really bad for your health.
01:28:42:15 – 01:28:43:23
Nathan Crane
It can be.
01:28:43:23 – 01:29:01:02
Jason Prall
And you’re doing it for a reason. Then go do it. You know what I mean? Like that is such a more healthy way to approach it that it’s like, Yeah, okay, I know this may not be good for you, but I love this and I’m going to do this and I’m going to go experience this. Think I just want to pause you and it is such a beautiful way to approach things and it’s exactly the right way.
01:29:01:08 – 01:29:10:06
Jason Prall
Even if you drink a Coke like, I can drink a Coke and I’m like, you know, this is not good for me, but oh, man, that was good. Okay, done. Especially, you know, something like that.
01:29:10:13 – 01:29:32:11
Nathan Crane
I had this conversation with Dr. Isaac Elias, who’s become a good friend these past couple of years. And, you know, I told him and I said I said, Yeah, maybe I’m taking a few years off my life, but I’m I’m doing something that I really, really enjoy that I do believe is good for me. It brings me a lot of joy, a lot of commitment, helps with my family, helps with a lot of things.
01:29:32:11 – 01:29:57:21
Nathan Crane
Right. And he goes, well, you know, honestly, maybe you’re not taking any years off your life because you are doing something every day that you really enjoy and we know that joy and happiness and having that sense of really enjoying something actually extends your life span. Right? So maybe it maybe it counteracts and and I’m not going to do this for the rest of my life at least, you know, eat excessively, etc., etc..
01:29:57:21 – 01:30:19:08
Nathan Crane
But even so, I’m still eating an organic whole food plant based. So, you know, I know that that’s reducing the inflammation and helping my body heal and I do all the other things on top of it. But the reason I shared that was going back to the cleanse, the fasting, the first five day cleanse opened me up to this whole world of fasting, intermittent fasting, cleansing, I think the longest.
01:30:19:08 – 01:30:42:00
Nathan Crane
And then after that for for the following years I did dozens of cleanses and fasts, even wrote my own, spent two years designing one called the Panacea Cleanse and, you know, those fasts and cleanses and detoxes have been instrumental in my own development as a human being. And, you know, mental emotional control, physical control, I think spiritual awareness.
01:30:42:00 – 01:31:05:13
Nathan Crane
I think the longest one I did was either two or three weeks where I did basically nothing but like liquid for might have been a 21 day cleanse or fast. And I can tell you from experience, like those are some of the most powerful experiences I’ve had in my life where you’re going days and days without food, you’re just drinking a liquid, maybe it’s a green juice or it’s water or it’s, you know, some other kind of fast or cleanse.
01:31:06:00 – 01:31:34:18
Nathan Crane
Your body is like it’s to have that experience, to release these toxins to to take a break from the digestive process, to really get into autophagy and deep healing. There are many stories of doctors I’ve interviewed over the years of people who went on a 30 day or 60 day water fast and their cancer was gone at the of it you know and water fasting you got to be careful with you definitely want some guidance from doctors that’s very powerful.
01:31:34:19 – 01:31:42:15
Jason Prall
That’s that’s part of the challenge of it is it it’s actually so effective that can be harmful if not for some people because one.
01:31:42:15 – 01:32:10:01
Nathan Crane
Hundred percent toxic. Yeah. So I mean don’t don’t take this as like, oh, I have cancer. I want to do a three day water fight, like get some there are fasting clinics around the U.S. and in other countries where you can get doctor support on it. But just to put a pin in that, I’m you talked about it because fasting is not only in cleansing so far, it’s not only amazing for the physical body, but the spiritual awareness that comes from it, the insights the clarity, the energy.
01:32:10:02 – 01:32:27:24
Nathan Crane
For me, it’s on day three. The first two days suck. They’re like, they’re fucking terrible. You’re like, all you can think about is eating and you’re just want, you know, you just want to eat and you’re kind of, like, little bit anxious and whatever. And then by day three, it’s like I and many others I talk to you have, you know, you enter into like a heightened state.
01:32:28:08 – 01:32:40:13
Nathan Crane
The hunger reduces significantly and all of a sudden you’re full of energy. You know, you’re like full of this life force energy that’s been awakened that you’re like, well This is pretty amazing. I could do this for days, you know, and it’s.
01:32:41:13 – 01:33:01:14
Jason Prall
Nice to have that as well. Yeah, I just think that that first period is the deconditioning process, right, that we talked about before. It’s like you’re, you’re not only is your mental and emotional state conditioned to eat food and accept food, but your microbiota are conditioned to the regular intake of the same foods typically that we eat day in and day out.
01:33:01:14 – 01:33:22:20
Jason Prall
And so when you remove that now, the whole body has to be conditioned, it has to completely change to a new reality. And so it’s going to adapt, right? And so as it adapts to this new reality of of no food or, let’s say, juices, for example, if do like a juice cleanse or just type of fast, now it’s a new environment that it’s going to adapt to.
01:33:22:21 – 01:33:45:10
Jason Prall
So your whole body is going to adapt to that process. And without your your digestive tract and full of food, I would say there’s still generally pockets of, let’s say, fecal matter and metabolic waste that stuck in there maybe for years or decades like this is very well documented. So even when you take away food, there’s just there’s tucked away in these little pockets that are still stuck in there.
01:33:45:20 – 01:34:07:21
Nathan Crane
You can have a movement so people don’t know, right. You can have a bowel. So let’s say day three, you’re only pooping out liquid. Okay, you can. And four day four, it’s liquid. Day five is it’s like you’re peeing out your butt. It does feel weird, but you’re like, okay, I’m just it’s just water based. It’s just liquid coming out on day seven or eight or nine or ten.
01:34:07:21 – 01:34:35:17
Nathan Crane
And I’ve had people who I’ve guided through found that family members who’ve done it, you know, even even day 14, 15, it can have bowel movement, a big bowel movement, right? Where like that fecal matter that’s infested with parasites, that’s infested with all kinds of bacteria and different things that have been stuck inside these, you know, the areas around your intestines or your colon where it gets built up in there and you get this plaque, you literally get a plaque buildup in there.
01:34:35:17 – 01:35:00:21
Nathan Crane
This is contributing to the chronic inflammation in the body is what we’ve discovered. Right. And it can contribute to chronic inflammatory process. It can lead to cancer in the body and can and can contribute to an autoimmune response and a reduced immune system function day 1415 All of a sudden you have this bowel movement all this stuff comes out and it’s like, that’s what your body’s been needing, that’s what it’s been missing.
01:35:00:21 – 01:35:02:14
Nathan Crane
And some and it’s so powerful.
01:35:03:07 – 01:35:24:00
Jason Prall
Yeah. It’s this mucosal plaque that develops, right? And it can be this sticky, gooey and looking irritated. I call it AMA, right? Which is the sticky, morbid, dead metabolic waste that’s building up in the body. Now, if just like any environment, if we have rotting organic matter, what’s going to happen? You’re going to have if it’s in the environment, you can have flies, you’re going to have all kinds of dogs.
01:35:24:00 – 01:35:47:21
Jason Prall
You’re going have all kinds of of of microbes and little creatures. They’re helping to clean up the environment. That’s what they’re doing. Right. That that’s how nature cleanses itself, is with these organisms. So same thing in your body. That’s what’s going to happen. You’re going to start developing parasites. You’re going to have all this these microbes, these, these, these issues that are going to interact with your body and create undesirable effects.
01:35:48:02 – 01:36:16:18
Jason Prall
Right. Because they produce their own wastes. Right. And that’s what affects us. There’s all kinds of things that happen when you have an infestation of parasites and and microbes that are that are beyond the balance that your body is as is as ideal. And so as you cleanse that out, as you get rid of stuff, not only are you setting up a totally different environment in your GI tract who body’s going have less to deal with and from an inflammation standpoint from, you know, lipopolysaccharide and all kinds of other things that spew out of these guys.
01:36:16:24 – 01:36:38:19
Jason Prall
But now also, you know, things that we don’t talk about enough. I think in the health world, the functional medicine world, is that the interstitial right? There’s this fluid exchange that’s happening all throughout our bodies. In other words, the intracellular matrix, the spaces between cells that nobody really talks about. In fact, the interstitial has been classified as its own organ now.
01:36:38:19 – 01:36:50:07
Jason Prall
Right. So and this is a very recent addition last few years, but the fluid exchange is happening that’s that’s tied intimately with the lymphatic system, with the, you know, the veins in the circulatory system.
01:36:50:13 – 01:36:51:05
Nathan Crane
The fascia.
01:36:52:05 – 01:37:10:11
Jason Prall
Is right. The fashion in the interstitial and into the GI tract is that’s essentially what’s happening in either of aggravators. Punch of karmas and their techniques of cleansing actually have a lot to do with this, facilitating the waste that spread throughout the body, in the joints, in the in the brain and the various aspects of every tissue in every cell.
01:37:10:11 – 01:37:32:23
Jason Prall
The body starts to move its into the GI tract and out of the body. So I mean the GI tract and the and the urinary tract and the breath and the sweat, right. These are our primary modes of excretion. And so we want to be sweating. We want to be, you know, getting rid of the stuff through the GI tract, through the urinary tract and through the breath.
01:37:33:05 – 01:38:01:19
Jason Prall
Right. Which is where exercise comes in. Right. Which is your deep breath work. This is the process of cleaning up the body. But oftentimes the thing that needs to happen is, is the removal of all the the stuff in the bowels. If we have a imagine, it’s just like any other system. If the if the bowels constantly full, then then the not only are is, are we having to remove that stuff that we’re constantly entering our body, but it’s almost like there’s this positive osmotic pressure almost.
01:38:01:19 – 01:38:20:21
Jason Prall
It’s like it’s like everything’s being forced into the body. We want to force things out of the body. Right. And so many of us don’t spend enough time in the absence of food to allow our bodies to actually get rid of waste. It’s like imagine if you constantly brought in new food and new toys and new furniture and new clothes into your house.
01:38:20:21 – 01:38:36:13
Jason Prall
And you never got rid of anything that that was old and you just kept buying more stuff. Amazon’s come to your house 15 times a day and you never throwing anything away. Well, your house is going to be an absolute disaster, and it doesn’t even reflect on the fact that all this stuff may or may not be useful.
01:38:36:13 – 01:38:54:02
Jason Prall
It may be useful, but you have too much. We don’t have the space. We don’t. It’s up the entire space. Now, imagine if you live in a house, if you’ve ever been like a hoarder as a quasi hoarder, and there’s so much stuff piled up in the house, your whole and you’re not used to that. You’re like, Oh my gosh, it affects your mental capacity.
01:38:54:02 – 01:39:14:01
Jason Prall
It affects the way you behave. You move to the space differently, you eat differently. So the environment itself has changed and now it’s causing it a totally different reality for you to show up. Same thing that’s happening in our body and in our Veda and they say is the root of all disease. Every single disease is because of Amma.
01:39:14:01 – 01:39:33:04
Jason Prall
In other words, this morbid toxic metabolic waste that is in the cell, that’s outside the cell, that’s in the organs. It’s everywhere. We’re building that up. And Amma is a product of of just being. So we have to cleanse the animal, we have to clear the amma it to burn it off. And so there’s the whole process is about that, right?
01:39:33:04 – 01:39:40:10
Jason Prall
So, you know, I think it’s such a critical part of avoiding food so that we can get rid of this waste.
01:39:40:10 – 01:39:50:00
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s so powerful. I don’t know why we didn’t open up the conversation talking about poop, but I’m glad we at least finish the conversation talking about poop.
01:39:50:10 – 01:39:51:10
Jason Prall
Got to have it in there somewhere.
01:39:51:12 – 01:40:27:02
Nathan Crane
It’s really important. So I get this question all the time. Like what? For people who want to cleanse or detox or fast, like IV, I recommend the the you can go get the book. I put together super cheap on Amazon. It’s called the panacea cleanse. It walks you through a 12 day cleanse. I spent two years designing. That’s a really powerful detox and cleansing process that I built it so that you kind of transition into it and then you hit some peak cleansing states and then you transition back out instead of some of the cleanses I’ve done where it’s like you shoot right into the intensity and then you shoot right back out, which I
01:40:27:02 – 01:40:50:06
Nathan Crane
don’t recommend that you have some, you know, Turkheimer reactions and different problems because of that. So people can go check that off if they want. But I just want to say, Jason, number one, it’s been awesome conversation. Did I appreciate you coming on and we’ve we’ve talked about a lot of really cool stuff so thank you. You’re super brilliant for sure and you know, I think this was a fun conversation.
01:40:50:06 – 01:40:57:16
Nathan Crane
And number two, your book Beyond Longevity is available now and where people go get them.
01:40:58:16 – 01:41:24:09
Jason Prall
Yeah, you can find it at pretty much any bookstore I’m buying online at Amazon Beyond Longevity, and it’s really the about how to feel the better, how to walk through the world and just the way that we’ve been talking about opening ourselves up to the deeper aspects of what health is really about. And it’s not about just getting rid of our disease, but it’s about opening ourselves up to a new reality so they can find that pretty much anywhere books are sold.
01:41:24:15 – 01:41:46:22
Jason Prall
And yeah, I appreciate you have me on minutes and these are the kind of conversations I think that are so important because they’re they’re just so grounded in a in a reality that. They can be so simple. And this is what the things that we talked about today are not out of reach for anybody, no matter what your economic status is, no matter how old you are, these these tools can be employed.
01:41:47:04 – 01:42:03:21
Jason Prall
Right. And to me, that is that’s the key to getting out of the sort of mess that we’ve created for ourselves, is to give people the tools and the understandings and the the little little insights of how to make forward progress no matter where they’re at. And and again, I think that is what’s going to change the landscape.
01:42:04:01 – 01:42:22:04
Jason Prall
And it already has. Right? I mean, I remember when I was maybe 15 years ago, I was the weird guy growing food in his backyard, you know, always talking about organic, right? And now it’s like it’s everybody’s talking about organic, right? It was it’s a totally different reality. And it’s like people actually forget that, that I couldn’t get organic food at the store.
01:42:22:04 – 01:42:33:11
Jason Prall
It was, like, hard to find, right? So it’s shifting and it’s, it’s changing in such a big way. I think there’s so many people that are opening themselves up to these simple aspects of health. So I love to see it.
01:42:33:24 – 01:42:54:11
Nathan Crane
Absolutely. Awesome. Thanks to you. Thanks for coming on. Appreciate you. And go everybody tuning in and go grab a copy of be beyond longevity read it. I have a copy. It’s a good book, so go check it out and wish you guys so much health and happiness. Take care.