In today’s video, we sat down with Grace De La Rosa. Grace De La Rosa is the CEO and Founder of Living with Grace, LLC. She is a Holistic Wellness Consultant, Public Speaker, Educator and Philosopher in Jacksonville, FL. As a Survivor and Thriver of Stage 3(c) Colon Cancer, Childhood Trauma, Domestic Violence, PTSD and Suicide, she advocates for mental health, holistic wellness education, non-violence, contemplative practices, and alternative and integrative well-care options through speaking engagements, seminars, classes, podcast interviews, summits and panel discussions.
Grace provides Holistic Wellness, Mindfulness, Meditation and Spiritual Teachings through presentations, seminars, workshops and retreats in private or group sessions. She creates customized systemic programs for a smoother work flow, plans speaker’s events and retreats, and provides spiritual readings and healings as a Psychic Evidential Medium, Channel, Master Energy Healer, Mystic and Prophet. She also provides professional content as a TV/Video/Radio/Virtual Spokesperson, Voice-Over Talent, Artist, Calligrapher, Writer, Poet and Pianist.
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00:00:51:24 – 00:01:24:05
Nathan Crane
Hello and welcome to the podcast. Thank you for joining us here today. I have a really special guest, Grace Dela Rosa, who I’m excited to have with us here on the podcast. Grace is a holistic wellness consultant, and a lifelong recovery advocate with over 35 years of experience and extensive self-study in the health and fitness industry. As a former FAA-certified group fitness instructor, a professional fitness and swimwear model, a contributing writer, and bikini competitor.
00:01:24:06 – 00:01:47:04
Nathan Crane
She holds a bachelor’s degree in communications and TV broadcasting and a minor in psychology from the University of North Florida. Grace was diagnosed at the age of 38 with stage three colon cancer back in 2005, and she was then treated with a chemo cocktail, which ended up making her disabled due to the long-term side effects of the chemo.
00:01:48:03 – 00:02:08:10
Nathan Crane
Grace currently serves on multiple advisory councils for rehabilitation and substance abuse in Florida, helping people overcome addiction, abuse, and trauma and through her own spiritual awakening, became a mindfulness and meditation teacher, a medical intuitive and an energy healer also certified as a Reiki master. Grace, thank you so much for joining me on the podcast.
00:02:09:15 – 00:02:14:02
Grace De La Rosa
I thank you so much for the intro. That was a lot.
00:02:15:06 – 00:02:46:20
Nathan Crane
You know, I was reading about your background and your and your story and it just seems like you have just gone through so many challenging times in your life. Just sounds like your you know, you had a really traumatizing childhood. Sounds like you had a really challenging time with cancer. It just everything I was reading made it seem like, wow, to go through that kind of fire and pain and challenge.
00:02:48:13 – 00:03:27:09
Nathan Crane
You know, it either tear someone apart and tear them down leads to chronic depression, chronic fatigue, oftentimes addiction, alcoholism, drug abuse, and a very painful and sad life and often ends in, you know, someone ending their own life or having a very shortened life or on the other end of a spectrum, it can wake you up to a higher spiritual dimension, to a higher purpose in life, to finding joy and fulfillment and health and happiness, and using that and turning it around, you know, turning that pain into purpose and using it to inspire and empower other people.
00:03:28:15 – 00:03:41:20
Nathan Crane
Certainly speaking from my own personal experience with that, but it sounds like that’s what you did is you took all that pain and turned it into a purpose and have been a light, a bright light in people’s lives.
00:03:43:17 – 00:04:11:12
Grace De La Rosa
That sounds beautiful. Thank you for your words. Yes, it all resonates with me. And I was thinking, you know, it’s not it’s not either or. It’s and so the pain and the enlightening, you know, the spiritual awakening, because, as you know, you know, when we’re talking about spiritual awakenings, it is a death and a birth all at the same time.
00:04:11:15 – 00:04:43:02
Grace De La Rosa
Yeah, right. The death of the old you for the birth, the rebirth of who you were meant to be. And let’s wake you up. Let’s wipe the cobwebs off your eyes, little baby. And let’s show you how beautiful this world can be. When we choose to live our life from our heart to help others. Which is, you know, I did just a really cursory view on you and the things you have done.
00:04:43:05 – 00:05:08:11
Grace De La Rosa
I’m just, like, so excited to be on your podcast. Austin. No, I’m connecting with somebody that has changed and continues to change so many other people’s lives from your own experiences and look at what you’re doing with it all. You did exactly what you were saying that I was doing, and I can’t see it in me until you say that.
00:05:08:11 – 00:05:25:09
Grace De La Rosa
And then I see it in you. And I’m like, Wow. And and that’s such the blessing, you know, when we can actually see and be connected with others of, like, vibrations. Like frequencies, like minds and hearts, you know?
00:05:25:13 – 00:05:26:11
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
00:05:27:00 – 00:05:28:10
Grace De La Rosa
So thank you for that.
00:05:28:16 – 00:06:03:10
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And when you’re in when you’re living the pain in your experiencing the trauma, oftentimes again and again and again, I mean, anyone who’s ever been through any kind of trauma abuse, rape, any kind of, you know, challenging experience, addiction, the loss of a parent jail, homelessness, on and on and on. There’s so many other kinds of traumas that that we so many, many millions of us go through in our lives, probably billions of us go through at some point in our lives.
00:06:04:11 – 00:06:35:21
Nathan Crane
When you’re in it or you’re reliving it constantly, because maybe it happened when you were nine years old or ten or 12, but you’re 50 or 60 and you still relive that because you haven’t learned to forgive and free yourself from that yet. You’re reliving that pain all the time. And I’m speaking because I know people very close to me who are still reliving all of their child, I mean, nearly 70 years old and still reliving all of their childhood traumas to this day.
00:06:35:21 – 00:07:08:15
Nathan Crane
And it’s they are eating themselves and burning themselves from the inside out. And it’s so hard to watch and so painful for them. And the people around them, they they suffer themselves and then they often pull others in to suffer with them. But it’s so hard for us as human beings to see the bright light, the potential possibility for love and light and and freedom when we’re in that experience.
00:07:09:00 – 00:07:39:00
Nathan Crane
Right. So, I mean, can you talk about your story? How how was it like for you and how did you you know, you went through trauma, you went through abuse. You went through a lot of challenging experiences. You know, we have time to to to share your story. I’d love for you to and and then and share how you were able to, you know, find your own path out of that into a life that is now, as you say, filled with joy and happiness.
00:07:39:00 – 00:07:56:05
Nathan Crane
And and you and I have had a few conversations now. I’ve done a session with you, a couple of sessions with you. And and I can say from my experience, you know, you you do transmit light and happiness and joy and peace. I don’t think it’s just something in a bio. I think it’s something that you actually that you actually live now.
00:07:56:05 – 00:08:05:13
Nathan Crane
But I’m sure at some point you didn’t write. I’m sure at some point your your life may have been miserable. So can you talk a little bit about that?
00:08:06:01 – 00:08:57:05
Grace De La Rosa
Yeah, sure. Sure. Thank you. First, I’d like to say I got to the point where I try to end my life. You know, I went I went there. I went all the way to that point of what I thought would be a point of no return. And that led to me reevaluating my entire life, you know. But me, me trying to attempting to commit was looking back, you know, just a feeling of complete isolation, complete even though I wasn’t physically, I mean, isolated.
00:08:57:05 – 00:09:10:08
Grace De La Rosa
I had my children around. I had my my sister around, but I just felt like my life was done. I had been.
00:09:10:12 – 00:09:11:03
Nathan Crane
Told, were you.
00:09:13:07 – 00:09:13:20
Grace De La Rosa
50?
00:09:14:13 – 00:09:15:06
Nathan Crane
You were 50.
00:09:16:04 – 00:09:17:19
Grace De La Rosa
I’m 56 today.
00:09:18:02 – 00:09:22:02
Nathan Crane
Wow. So it was recently that you were really contemplating that?
00:09:22:23 – 00:09:35:10
Grace De La Rosa
Oh, yes. And so, you know, because of that, I was corrected by my one of my family members. And that meant you were what? Baker acted.
00:09:35:15 – 00:09:38:13
Nathan Crane
I’ve never heard that. Or does that.
00:09:38:23 – 00:10:01:04
Grace De La Rosa
But right after suicide, if you know, they say the baker acting is for your protection. So they take you away from the environment you’re in and they placed you into a, you know, a behavioral facility, a health facility.
00:10:01:24 – 00:10:06:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah. They like they basically they lock you up and put you in a padded room, basically.
00:10:07:17 – 00:10:08:02
Grace De La Rosa
No.
00:10:09:03 – 00:10:17:23
Nathan Crane
I mean, that’s what they did to me. They put me in a room with a camera through the door, you know, with nothing in there. It was like a jail. They put me in a jail is what I went to.
00:10:18:11 – 00:10:45:12
Grace De La Rosa
Oh, my gosh. Okay. So mine was it felt like it was just in a hospital kind of setting, you know, a little bit more relaxed than that because I was in all kinds of beatings and stuff. But so I remember two or three cause I was just so depressed. Nathan, I, I was just beside myself. I’ve never been in that situation in my life.
00:10:46:23 – 00:11:15:15
Grace De La Rosa
And what led me there was when I found myself in jail, being treated as a perpetrator and not the victim of abuse in a marriage. And I didn’t even see it. I did not even see that. And I remember being in jail and going, I don’t belong here. I’ve never I’ve not been in jail in my whole life.
00:11:15:15 – 00:11:59:03
Grace De La Rosa
And so that in and of itself is a whole other story. But I like to use that and say that is what catapulted me into my spiritual awakening. And when I say that it was a three day, three night physical, emotional, mental, spiritual experience that was literally out of this world, out of this dimension. You know, when I, I was right here in my own place, and I remembered I was meditating and that’s why I so believe in meditation.
00:11:59:03 – 00:12:27:21
Grace De La Rosa
It activated it activated my awakening, and I was lying down on the ground. I had not eaten or drank spirit, God, whatever you want to call that had guided me to that point. And being a colon cancer survivor, you know, one day, two days of fasting is nothing. Three days was probably my longest, and it was without any medical assistance.
00:12:27:21 – 00:13:00:04
Grace De La Rosa
It was straight from spirit, from God, from that light. And I found myself just lying down after a beautiful meditation and that’s when I saw I, I saw myself, you know, I saw my literally my heart, my mind. It looked like a brain. And all of the sudden I saw my heart become one with my brain and my soul just, just expanded.
00:13:00:04 – 00:13:40:19
Grace De La Rosa
And when all that happened, instead of fireworks of color, it was a fireworks of white light. And I saw nothing but white. And I felt nothing but went from this radiating light of multicolored. It was so beautiful. And my life literally changed from there. I saw life in a whole new way. I saw the oneness of all things, people, places, everything that what you do affects me and what affects me affects you.
00:13:41:10 – 00:14:19:00
Grace De La Rosa
And how could I not want to support you to see you elevated to see you succeed. Your success is mine and mine is yours. And that’s love over on the other side. So when I had that white light experience, it led me. I literally sat after that experience, you know, and that experience included a transition of my physical being in into that realm of transition and to spirit transmuting to the spirit form.
00:14:19:21 – 00:14:50:23
Grace De La Rosa
And I had that opportunity to experience that so I could bring that back and talk about that. So people are not afraid of that transition. And not only that, but the why, the why they’re there and what they do to move us to do these beautiful things. You’re doing what you’re doing. All the other lightworkers, all the other healers, the doctors and nurses, the moms and dads that are helping mothers heal.
00:14:51:24 – 00:15:24:15
Grace De La Rosa
Right. And awaken and have their own experience. And fortunately or unfortunately, from my own experiences being around other people and listening to their story, majority of us, not all, have had some serious traumas, like you said, in our lives, but that is what breaks us from the old us to the new us. And to be able to have, you know, experiences are on a spectrum.
00:15:24:15 – 00:15:54:10
Grace De La Rosa
You don’t have to have that white light experience that I had to understand this, but it’s in the knowing, the experiencing whatever it is you’ve experienced to bring you to the oneness and to the wanting and the desire to spread a little bit of kindness into other people’s lives and realize it’s not about us, but it is. It’s because we’re only as strong as our weakest link.
00:15:54:10 – 00:16:27:13
Grace De La Rosa
And when we talk about keep being strong and not getting sicker and not getting the cancer and this and that, the answer is less stress, more loved being elevated, being completely supported by people around you that have that same resignation as you, you drink your deepest dreams, you know, articulated by somebody else. And for you to say I resonate with that ongoing in there no matter what.
00:16:28:19 – 00:16:59:24
Grace De La Rosa
So when we come to that realization, for me, for me, that’s when I know I have found my purpose in life. And isn’t that what we all are seeking? What is our purpose in life, you know, and how beautiful each one of us is to have different talents and gifts that are that only you and you alone can do brings.
00:17:00:00 – 00:17:55:02
Grace De La Rosa
That is a value added to this beautiful thing we call life. You know, you might be able to do the same thing as I. Maybe we can both sense things, but you sense it by seeing. I might sense it by feeling, not just feeling tactile, but feeling within. Right. And somebody else might have the ability to hear. So you might when a gong is hit, you might be able to see colors from that sound and I might be able to, I don’t know, feel the vibration that resonates, the different vibrations within that gong, you know, all the different ones.
00:17:56:19 – 00:18:18:10
Grace De La Rosa
And so what I’m saying is, is when we do that, your truth is your truth. And that is the truth. I can bring in another part of that. But with all of us sharing our experiences of truth, than we can really fully understand what truth may look like because I might not understand your truth. Let me see that.
00:18:19:11 – 00:18:19:23
Grace De La Rosa
Right.
00:18:21:00 – 00:18:52:02
Nathan Crane
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00:18:52:08 – 00:19:21:22
Nathan Crane
You can go download it at becoming cancer free dot com. All right. Let’s get back to the show. Actually reminds me of a conversation I was having with someone yesterday or the day before about psychic abilities, right? Yes. And people hear that and they either say, oh, that’s, you know, hogwash, baloney or whatever, or they’re like, oh, yeah, that kind of believe that.
00:19:21:22 – 00:19:44:24
Nathan Crane
Or they’re like, No 100% exists. I know it for sure. You’ve got kind of like complete doubters, you know, and then kind of people in the middle maybe, and then people who are 100% all in. Yes. And I was talking with some of the other day and I said I said, you know, I really believe that we all have psychic like abilities, every one of us.
00:19:45:08 – 00:20:34:07
Nathan Crane
And the differences in there may be multiple differences, but one of the differences between somebody who you would really call very psychic, somebody who is just intuitive about everything and kind of predict and see the future, you know, relatively accurately, can sense, you know, things right before they happen. Have, you know, dreams about things, you know, can connect to healing energies, can connect to, you know, ancestors who’ve passed, you know, all of these abilities, many of which you possess and share, many of which you utilize and have developed in your practice.
00:20:35:05 – 00:21:00:06
Nathan Crane
And and at the very subtle level of that, everybody’s had an experience of a psychic ability. And I’ll tell you one that I think everybody can relate to. You’re sitting there and you’re thinking about your father or your brother or friend. You just start thinking about out of nowhere. You just start thinking about them. And 5 seconds later, they call you.
00:21:00:19 – 00:21:01:09
Grace De La Rosa
Mm hmm.
00:21:01:10 – 00:21:18:04
Nathan Crane
Now, what is that? That people who doubt will say, Oh, that’s coincidence, right? I was just thinking about you. And then you call me. I think everybody I’ve ever talked to in my life has had at least that or a similar experience. I was just thinking about this one thing, and boom, there it is. I think about it.
00:21:18:05 – 00:21:44:03
Nathan Crane
And he called me. I was thinking about this and I got this job or whatever it is, where it’s intuitive. It’s a look into the future. It’s a connection. And what is that? Well, that’s that’s energy, right? Everything is energy. And so we’re connecting to the energy of that thought. That person, that experience. And we can cultivate and develop that or we can stay disconnected from it and not pay attention to it.
00:21:44:03 – 00:22:25:14
Nathan Crane
And as you were saying so eloquently, that people sense and see and utilize these different, you know, abilities at different levels of intensity and different perceptive potential. Some people see things much more clear, some people feel things much more clear. Some people hear things much more clear. Some people, you know, have all of those senses really enhanced. And I’ve had experiences, many experiences since kind of my initial I would call it also spiritual awakening, which started at 18 years old, seven between 17, 18 years old was when it initially started.
00:22:25:14 – 00:22:52:08
Nathan Crane
And I’ve had multiple, you know, experiences since then of healing people of, you know, completely removing migraines from somebody in a split second, you know, from sensing something before it happens, you know, predicting the future. You name it like many, many, many experiences. So I know personally my truth is it fully exists and I’m not special or gifted in any way.
00:22:52:17 – 00:23:11:19
Nathan Crane
It’s I became aware of this. I’ve meditated a lot. I spent a lot of time around many different spiritual traditions and spiritual people. And so I’m a little more accustomed to I’d say it’s like going to the gym and building muscle. The more you use it, the more you work on it, the more you’re going to be in tune with it.
00:23:12:09 – 00:23:35:13
Nathan Crane
The more it’s going to grow, the more your muscles are going to grow, the more you work it. I think it’s the same thing when it comes to these kinds of abilities. And I think it’s incredible to recognize that, hey, we all have these kind of powers, these kind of abilities and powers, but are we utilizing them to the best of their ability?
00:23:35:13 – 00:23:40:18
Nathan Crane
And and if not, how can we and what are the good things that can come of it?
00:23:41:11 – 00:24:13:11
Grace De La Rosa
That’s right. It’s it’s the intention with which you choose to use those. What I like to say your God given gifts, your divine gifts given to you in special ways, you know, I love knowing this part about you. I did not know that about you. And that excites me because, again, it just kind of validates what I had said earlier about, you know, resonating with other people that are within that and that are elevating you even further.
00:24:13:23 – 00:24:41:24
Grace De La Rosa
You know, meditation and this is the beauty of of meditation is when like it’s just like working out like you said. However, we know in the fitness field and in the in the in the just in the health field in general, you know, your physiology and things. It’s in the resting, the resting state where the growth really, really happens.
00:24:42:11 – 00:25:12:07
Grace De La Rosa
We tear it down when we are working out, we tear our brain down when we’re actually thinking right. That’s why the overthinking the stress, the stress alone creates the over which your brain is thinking is overthinking. You know, it’s not just your brain, but your entire systems, your all your systems within your body get stressed. It’s a vibration that’s a negative.
00:25:12:07 – 00:25:58:00
Grace De La Rosa
It’s breaking as opposed to bringing in together, which, you know, that’s what mindfulness and meditation does. It brings that, you know, neurogenesis to where your cells start coming together as one and and healing the brain and repaving that pathway for new neural networks to occur. You know, and I bring that up because a, I love neuroscience. I love the fact that there is science there to what you and I are talking about and there’s now woo woo thing when we do talk about all of what we’re talking about is energy, you know.
00:25:58:09 – 00:26:34:02
Grace De La Rosa
So when we do that, when we I got all excited, I’m like wanting to go here and there. When we start tuning in to that vibration, you then you start realizing quite a bit of that. The law of attraction really is coming into play, right? And then some and then some and then recognizing that everybody is on a spectrum and it can be lateral and it can be, you know, up and down, but it’s growth.
00:26:34:02 – 00:27:06:24
Grace De La Rosa
It’s growth. Hopefully you’re not. When I’m saying growing, I’m saying you’re moving forward, you’re either growing or you’re moving forward or your stagnating and and shortening your life. You know, when when we’re in that state of rest, in that state of mindfulness, you know, we allow our body to reset. We allow our bodies to start healing on their own.
00:27:07:09 – 00:27:37:20
Grace De La Rosa
When we talked about earlier, you know, with me being disabled, I do have a handicapped placard for the next, you know, two, two years. It’s good for five years. And at the point when I had that, the handicapped placard given to me, I had gone through so much, you know, with the rate that no radiation but chemo from my colon cancer back in 2005, the weight gain was horrendous.
00:27:37:20 – 00:28:08:16
Grace De La Rosa
And as you know, the minute you gain weight, other things start happening right away. I got arthritis and with that alone came depression. But really that depression came the minute I was told on the phone that you got cancer. It’s like I would have liked to have heard I got the lotto, I won the lotto or something, you know, but instead I won the lotto a becoming part of the club that I never wanted to be a part of, which is the cancer club.
00:28:09:23 – 00:28:25:17
Grace De La Rosa
You know, nobody wants that. And back then in oh five, oh my gosh, if you got three or four, that was a death sentence. I had five friends. I could have five friends at any given time. And three would die within the first two years.
00:28:28:04 – 00:28:51:20
Grace De La Rosa
And I chose not to look at my stats for me until after I. I surpassed that five year mark, you know, of all clear, so to speak. And I did that. I waited. I waited. And I decided I’d look at a 13% chance of surviving. If I had known that, then I would have chosen not to refer there.
00:28:52:06 – 00:29:28:02
Grace De La Rosa
I say that because it is so imperative to stay focused on what’s in front of you right then and there. That’s it. Don’t think about tomorrow in terms of your life. All you have is right now, what can you do today to make this a better day for yourself and for somebody else? If all you have is by the end of this day, is what you’re doing right now, really what you want to do to fulfill what you want to do by the end of the day, knowing your day is ended.
00:29:29:08 – 00:29:54:18
Nathan Crane
That’s such a powerful question I think everyone should ask themselves every day. You know, are you doing if you knew you were going to die in 30 days or in one year, Right. Get one year left to live doing, would you be doing what you’re doing right now? The job that you have, the lifestyle you have, the way you’re eating, the way you’re living.
00:29:55:01 – 00:30:13:24
Nathan Crane
You know, let’s say you had five years left. It’s like, all right. You know, you have, you know, grandfather time. You got the Grim Reaper showed up. Hey, you know, here’s your future psychic. Told you, you know, hey, in five years, you’re dead. There’s nothing you can do to avoid it, you know? What would you do with your life?
00:30:13:24 – 00:30:35:19
Nathan Crane
How would you live it differently? And I’d say a year or five years, because if you say 30 days or whatever, like some people be like, screw it and just, you know, whatever, go, you know, maybe not do some very healthy things either go do all of the unhealthy things that they wish they’d done. But let’s say you had a couple of years or five years, you know, what would you actually want to do with your life?
00:30:35:19 – 00:31:06:10
Nathan Crane
What experiences would you want to have? What kind of work or service in the world would you be doing? You know, what new experiences would you want? What skills would you want to develop and learn? Like that’s such a powerful question, and that’s why a cancer diagnosis is one of the most powerful things. Both. It can be a very negative experience, it can be very uplifting experience for people depending on how you receive it.
00:31:06:17 – 00:31:30:11
Nathan Crane
For most people, it’s very scary. It’s very frightening. It is. You know, when you have a stage three or stage four cancer diagnosis, hey, you know, you have 13% chance of living. That’s by the way, that’s if you follow the treatment, you don’t know what your chance of living could be if you followed a different approach, a holistic or natural approach, maybe it’s higher, you don’t really know.
00:31:30:11 – 00:31:48:16
Nathan Crane
But when they tell you that for people who don’t understand prognosis from a doctor, number one, we call that I call it the fake expiration date. Hey, you have three months left to live, you know, and I say that because I have many people who I have met over the years who are told they have three months left to live stage four cancer.
00:31:49:02 – 00:32:11:01
Nathan Crane
And they didn’t accept that. They said, I will overcome this. I will find the solutions. I am not ready to leave this planet. And here they are 15 years later. They change their diet, their lifestyle. They sana, they eat a whole food plant based diet. They meditate every day. They gain more love and spiritual connection in their life.
00:32:11:01 – 00:32:34:15
Nathan Crane
They found a deeper purpose and they said, No, I don’t accept that fake expiration date. And that’s possible. There are many stories like that of people who lived way beyond what they were told. So you don’t have to accept that prognosis either, you know, for you, you didn’t even want to know. You didn’t even want to look at it, which was probably smart as well, because you get told, hey, you have 13% chance of living.
00:32:34:15 – 00:33:05:18
Nathan Crane
It’s like, well, that’s even more scary. Like, I’m you know, I know 87, 87% chance of dying. Right. And so the other side of that coin is it can be a major wake up call for people and say, hey, I’m on. You know, it’s like a it’s like a serious car crash or the loss of a loved one or a really traumatizing experience that can wake us up to say, hey, I’ve been on the wrong path.
00:33:05:18 – 00:33:30:09
Nathan Crane
I need to make some changes now in my life. And that can be also, you know, a blessing in disguise. And that’s hard to see in those moments. Back to my earlier question is like, how did you through these challenging experiences, through a cancer diagnosis, through, you know, trauma in your earlier years, through what sounds like more trauma in your adult life?
00:33:31:12 – 00:33:38:18
Nathan Crane
How did you know? What was that like for you and how did you find your way through it?
00:33:38:18 – 00:34:05:06
Grace De La Rosa
Well, I didn’t even realize that what I was going through was was traumatic. I just thought that everything that people dealt with, with everything that I’ve dealt with, you know, but I’m learning, you know, that my experiences may be different from yours, but that doesn’t make yours and my lost family value less. What’s the word I’m looking for?
00:34:05:08 – 00:34:37:19
Grace De La Rosa
But yours is not as valuable as mine or mine. Not as valuable as yours. Hoping I’m saying that the right way. But basically, you know, what happened to you is. Is as traumatic as you feel it is, you know, and not simply just that, but when you’re a child, you don’t know that there’s anything different from somebody else’s family, really from And I’m speaking from my own experience.
00:34:37:19 – 00:35:03:17
Grace De La Rosa
And that’s and I wanted to say that that in order to be able to see, you know, I think I share this with you once before, Nathan, but in order to see the stars, you have to have it. Dark stars are so beautiful to see. So how can we say that the dark is bad? It’s just an experience.
00:35:04:06 – 00:35:32:00
Grace De La Rosa
And the minute you turn the light on, it’s a whole other experience. But I do know that what I experienced my whole life was extremely traumatic. It was trauma upon trauma upon trauma. It was kind of akin to a veteran running through a mine not knowing if the next step is going to blow in your face. And it’s similar to that.
00:35:32:00 – 00:35:59:11
Grace De La Rosa
But now you’re talking about children, children in a in those kinds of situations. And I’m not taking away from the military veteran, you know, God forbid anyone hears or sees this and thinks that I on the contrary, I am so for supporting our military veterans and our servicemen and women today. But I digress. That is part of my life.
00:35:59:11 – 00:36:44:03
Grace De La Rosa
So, you know, right away I, I knew was moving. All I knew was moving. And, you know, all these things I bring up not because I hold on to them, I bring it up because I am, you know, sharing what had happened to me. But it was everything. Everything that you mentioned early on. And I won’t go into the details of all of that, but I took that and I looked and the thing is, is I had I not always tried to see the best of the situations around me or my or the people around me.
00:36:44:03 – 00:37:19:23
Grace De La Rosa
I, I would not have wanted to live and part, I believe, of the fact that people with gifts the gifts that they’re aware of, these spiritual gifts that we’re talking about, that you and I have both agreed that we all have them to a certain extent. And they are they correlate with the traumas that one has endured. That’s why they’re called gifts.
00:37:20:19 – 00:37:56:13
Grace De La Rosa
Not everybody will get them or understand that they have them. We do all have them. And if we had been taught this early on, from day one in kindergarten and pre pre-K, instead of it making it look like, oh, these are weird things, we would all understand how beautiful these gifts are and what a waste it would be if now you know and choose to still not explore the gifts that were offered to you.
00:37:57:03 – 00:38:29:22
Grace De La Rosa
Right. And so I look at the traumas that I endured, have endured, and and I’m so grateful knowing with my own experiences that this was stuff that my soul had asked to experience. What we think is bad is not really it’s human. And the only time we’ll ever be able to experience any of these feelings is through our humanness.
00:38:30:18 – 00:39:02:22
Grace De La Rosa
And to be human is a gift in and of itself. Because not every soul gets to ride in the vessel of humanness. We have cars that are Teslas and Toyotas, but our soul has humanness, which is one of the prized experiences that souls could ever ask for. There’s more souls and then there are human this vessel. So I want to bring that into light.
00:39:02:22 – 00:39:04:03
Grace De La Rosa
You know?
00:39:04:03 – 00:39:36:12
Nathan Crane
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00:40:23:18 – 00:40:38:11
Nathan Crane
Now let’s get back to the show. So what I hear you saying is that, you know, going through dark times in your life, you still found a way to find the light and the goodness in people around you.
00:40:39:05 – 00:41:23:09
Grace De La Rosa
Because most everybody has some sort of goodness within them. Yeah, I’d like to believe that we’re all born good, good souls. Not selfish, not the way I’ve heard some, you know, medical experts have expressed and or not medical, you know, religious people. Religious people. So I promise I’m not judging here, but what I’m saying is it’s just so much larger, you know, just a much larger and but that’s my experience.
00:41:23:10 – 00:41:42:09
Nathan Crane
Yeah. I mean, it’s it’s beautiful. And I know that that can also be one of the things that keeps people in a very abusive and dysfunctional relationship. Right. Where where we see past it’s like we see the good in the person, even though they’re abusing us.
00:41:42:24 – 00:41:43:11
Grace De La Rosa
Yes.
00:41:43:11 – 00:42:35:22
Nathan Crane
And so we stay in that relationship. It’s it’s a really tricky thing because I agree we have to learn to see. I really believe we have to learn to see the goodness in all people. If we ever want to have unity and and a peaceful civilization, we have to see the good in each other and at the same time, if we don’t recognize the manipulation and, you know, whatever else might be going on in a relationship or in a situation with somebody who is using that against you and you stay in that situation, that dysfunctional situation, then it then it does become very damaging.
00:42:35:22 – 00:42:41:16
Nathan Crane
And, you know, how do you how do you navigate that? Because it’s very tricky to navigate.
00:42:42:11 – 00:43:05:23
Grace De La Rosa
It really is. And this is where you really have to have faith in something much larger than me and you have to have faith in that. She and that divine universal energy that pushes us and moves us to do the next right thing. And remember, when I brought up the neuroscience, I brought that up because of what I’m just about to say in science.
00:43:05:23 – 00:43:34:08
Grace De La Rosa
They know that we are we are our brains already know what our bodies are, already know what it’s about to do without us even realizing it already knows it’s about to do something. There’s a split moment in time between the minute we think it and the minute it happens. Right. And right before the minute we think it. And that’s where we all have to start wondering what is that?
00:43:35:16 – 00:43:45:04
Grace De La Rosa
How do you how do you know what to think? How what is that thinking that’s coming in through your mind right now? Right.
00:43:46:06 – 00:43:53:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I call that I would call that the intention right the intention and it’s you know, it drives everything.
00:43:53:24 – 00:43:57:00
Grace De La Rosa
Where’s that, where’s that intersection coming from.
00:43:57:09 – 00:44:21:00
Nathan Crane
Yeah. I had a really early spiritual mentor early on from when I was I think 19 to maybe 22. So maybe three or four years. His name was Arturo Gaitan. And he one of the things that he really helped me do that he really instilled in me is to be a free thinker and to learn to think for myself.
00:44:21:06 – 00:44:49:02
Nathan Crane
Because I didn’t I didn’t realize how much I had been programed by society, by music, by, you know, peers, by everything around me, how my mind and my subconscious mind been programed to see and act and behave in a certain way. And one of the things he really instilled in me is, you know, learn to think for yourself and I think people hear that go, Oh, yeah, I think for myself.
00:44:49:02 – 00:45:09:21
Nathan Crane
But if you really dig deep, I think most of us don’t think for ourselves. And in fact, look at COVID for an example. Most people did not think for themselves. They did what they were told. They didn’t ask questions. They didn’t dig deep into research. They didn’t talk other people. They just did what they were told out of fear.
00:45:09:21 – 00:45:39:17
Nathan Crane
And that’s a great example. And now and I knew early on and many of my colleagues knew early on in the health field that what we were being told and what the actual truth was were two totally different things. And so the few of us and there were and I say few, probably hundreds of thousands or maybe a few million, but it’s a few compared to the almost seven 8 billion people on the planet that did think for ourselves and did question what was happening.
00:45:39:17 – 00:46:20:20
Nathan Crane
You know, it’s we were we were antagonized and and vilified and our social media accounts were shut down and we were called quacks and and killers and all kinds of things. But I still felt the importance to think for myself anyway, thankfully to my early spiritual mentor. But one of the other things that he told me to your question that I, I think is a powerful perspective to think about, he said The brain is the thinking system of the human, so of the body and the mind is the thinking system of the soul.
00:46:21:24 – 00:46:44:19
Nathan Crane
And I really believe we have a soul and we we know that we have a mind. They can’t find the soul or the mind inside the brain. They can dissect the human and dissect it apart and look in the brain. They can’t actually find the driver, they can’t find the soul, they can’t find the mind that’s telling the brain these thoughts.
00:46:45:00 – 00:47:07:15
Nathan Crane
They’ve never been able to do it. And so from us, but with certain kinds of technology, we can actually see an aura, an oracle field or a minefield around the human being. And that is what, you know, my spiritual teacher told me really early on, he said, Look, that’s your mind. That’s your mind field, and that’s the thinking system of the soul.
00:47:07:23 – 00:47:29:03
Nathan Crane
And that tells your brain what to do and your brain tells your body what to do. So what I believe still to this day, to your question, is where does that initial impulse come from? I believe it comes from the mind of our soul. This is where that, you know, pre thought comes from. But that’s just my belief.
00:47:30:18 – 00:47:35:02
Nathan Crane
I can’t prove that for me.
00:47:35:02 – 00:48:04:22
Grace De La Rosa
And I’m speaking from experience when I was able to go to the spirit realm, we talk a lot about and a lot of scientists talk about collective consciousness. That collective consciousness when I talk about that is each one of us, when we pass, becomes nothing but stardust, you know, and we get disseminated all over this huge space in time.
00:48:06:09 – 00:48:33:06
Grace De La Rosa
And what happens is, is each one of us can be in spirit and be in different places on the universe and this earth that we think we know in a million different places all at once. And when a collection of those spirits coming together, which is nothing but energy and vibrations and movement, each one coming into people through the resignations from our heart.
00:48:33:23 – 00:49:12:09
Grace De La Rosa
And when we talk about the law of attraction that literally it is it’s it’s spirits that are finding others here earth whose vibrations resonate to a point that they can each come in through a channel and move us. We are not our mind, as you said, you know, our brain is nothing but a processor for us to use the data and amalgamate that with our heartstrings, our feelings, and that becomes our thinking.
00:49:12:09 – 00:49:48:21
Grace De La Rosa
Then that thinking pushes us to do our doing right or not doing at all with the help of everybody else. Because everybody when I say everybody else, I’m talking about them in spirit. And when they come and when we transmute over there, we will all see that we all in spirit try to help the humans create the the utopia that they all would like to see.
00:49:49:04 – 00:50:32:13
Grace De La Rosa
And, you know, some people don’t want to help Nathan, Believe it or not, some people don’t have the need that necessity or the desire in their heart, mind and soul to help the next person. They’re like, fend for yourself. And you know what? They have a right to be that way. And when we talk about, you know, people being of love and seeing that, you know, even if it means that when we see it from other people based on their negativity, that negativity will shine right at the light will shine onto that darkness.
00:50:32:13 – 00:51:03:12
Grace De La Rosa
And we’ll see that that’s what that darkness is. And hopefully when we see it, we will have shown our light, a little bit of light on that darkness. So the darkness always becomes light, which is exactly to me or my higher power. My God has always, always been my God is not about my God is not about, you know, of casting any negativity in any way, shape or form.
00:51:03:12 – 00:51:36:18
Grace De La Rosa
My God is a defender of all things good. You know, I don’t know if you want to talk about she is dispelling the negativity when we do our Reiki right. Breaking that up, dispel oiling and discerning what’s dark and negative and light and and cleaning up that field. We’re talking about some stagnate. What is all that? Because there are spirits that are not evil, have never even been human.
00:51:38:02 – 00:52:35:22
Grace De La Rosa
That they’re non beings. And I didn’t understand what that meant until I saw with my own being. And when you start talking about that, you know, all we’re talking about is the frequencies and and changes and molecular constructs and structure really, you know, how quickly can that red light be shone more quicker than the green light might come through, you know, things of that nature and what, when we when I start talking about stuff like that, I like to just share that even though we feel or see that there and there is there’s there’s darkness out, there’s evil, you know?
00:52:35:22 – 00:52:49:16
Grace De La Rosa
But evil isn’t evil. Isn’t this thinking? It’s the collection of people it’s people. People can choose to be evil or not. Yeah.
00:52:49:17 – 00:52:52:02
Nathan Crane
And to some, I mean.
00:52:52:02 – 00:52:52:20
Grace De La Rosa
Yes.
00:52:53:02 – 00:53:17:16
Nathan Crane
You know, and I want to go back to clarify a little bit something what I said a moment ago as well, which ties into this which, you know, Bruce Lipton is a good friend of mine, is a cell biologist and has studied, you know, extensively the mind, the conscious mind, the subconscious mind, the unconscious mind, as well as many other scientists.
00:53:17:16 – 00:53:50:08
Nathan Crane
And one of the things that he’s told me and a number of other scientists have concluded is that 95% of our thinking and basically our actions, 95% of it comes from our subconscious, our automatic preprogramed way of being. So the subconscious part of the mind is the part that we are programed from A child from birth until about seven years old is what they’ve discovered.
00:53:50:15 – 00:54:15:04
Nathan Crane
Your brain frequency wavelength is in, I believe, theta, which is like a meditative state. So you’re in hypnosis. It’s a hypnotic state. And the reason being is it teaches us rules and regulations of our society on autopilot. So as we get a little bit older, eight, nine, ten, 11, 12 years old, you know, those things, we don’t have to think about anymore.
00:54:15:04 – 00:54:32:19
Nathan Crane
They’re kind of automatic in our subconscious, just like when we start driving initially, it’s hard and scary and a little bit frightening. And you’ve got to think about every little thing you do and the blinker and the and the windshield wipers and all that stuff. And then the more years that you drive, the more automatic it becomes. You don’t even think about driving.
00:54:32:19 – 00:54:57:12
Nathan Crane
When you’re driving, usually you’re thinking about something else. And oftentimes some people are doing three or four other things while they’re driving, too, which is not ideal. They might be putting on their mascara while, you know, holding a mirror and they’re on the phone at the same time. How can how can people do that without crashing? A lot of people do crash, but millions don’t crash while while doing that is because the subconscious mind is on autopilot directing your life.
00:54:58:02 – 00:55:16:10
Nathan Crane
You can do the dishes. You’ve done the dishes a million times. You can do the dishes and not even be aware that you’re doing the dishes because you can be often thought somewhere else because your subconscious autopilot is doing the dishes for you. So 95%. So back to that question as well, because I was thinking about this because it was a great question.
00:55:17:04 – 00:55:43:11
Nathan Crane
I really think 95% of our thoughts and actions, as they’ve discovered, just come from that automatic subconscious programing from your belief systems. But when we get when we use our conscious thought, which unfortunately is only about 5% of the time, is what they say, I believe that. And that’s usually our inspired thinking. It’s that intuitive hit. It’s that, Oh, you know what I need to call this person or, Oh, you know what?
00:55:43:11 – 00:55:59:10
Nathan Crane
I’m I’m ready to go to the gym and make a change. Like your whole subconscious patterning is go home, sit on the couch, potato chips, watch TV, go to sleep, get fat be unhealthy and do it again and again and again and again and again until you finally get the inspired thought to pull you out of that pattern.
00:55:59:10 – 00:56:25:01
Nathan Crane
I’m going to Jim, I’m done with this right now. Where does that come from? That I believe, comes from our soul. Comes from our soul connected with our mind in that conscious thought. That’s like, Oh, dude, it’s time to change. Let’s go. You know, it’s like, let’s do this. Or a lot of the cancer patients I work with, you know, as a certified holistic cancer coach and independent researcher and, you know, I have a coaching program with other certified coaches.
00:56:25:01 – 00:56:57:24
Nathan Crane
We work with hundreds of cancer patients in group coaching settings. You know, oftentimes somebody diagnosed with cancer who does decide to go a different path. It comes through this inspiring, intuitive experience. Chris Walk was a great example. He was basically at the doctor’s office and they were telling him, Hey, you need radiation. You know, even after they did surgery, we still want to do chemotherapy and radiation.
00:56:58:07 – 00:57:19:23
Nathan Crane
And in a moment, he saw the famous juice guru guy come on the TV and talk about, you know, juicing vegetables for your health. And it just he had this awakening moment, connection from God, from his soul, from spirit, whatever you want to call it. He had that waking moment goes, No, I, I don’t want to do all this stuff to poison my body.
00:57:20:12 – 00:57:40:11
Nathan Crane
I’m going to go change my diet and do this vegetable juice. And and it was just like watching an advertisement on TV that inspired him. And guess what? Ended up being the right thing to do for him. And healed himself fully, reclaimed his health. And, you know, cancer never came back. Many, many. You know, I think he’s gone on almost two decades now.
00:57:40:20 – 00:58:06:00
Nathan Crane
So is being it’s putting I feel like it’s putting ourselves into as many of those situations as possible where we can connect to that inspired thought, to that spiritual dimension. And that’s to what you said earlier. The the ways we do that is through meditation and qigong and energy practices and prayer, you know, any kind of spiritual practice.
00:58:06:00 – 00:58:41:08
Nathan Crane
It’s sitting down quieting ourselves, you know, we went to this beautiful trail near the house here in Jacksonville yesterday and or two days ago, and a trail through the forest, maybe three quarter mile walk. And then this nice, open, grassy area with giant live oaks all around and some metal rocking benches overlooking the Saint John’s River. And I just went and sat there and just sat and relax and meditated for 30 or 45 minutes.
00:58:42:02 – 00:59:03:05
Nathan Crane
And just taking that time away from the noise and the intensity and the day to day and going and doing that, you know, as often as possible. It’s not only rejuvenating, but that’s where you get your insights and your awakening and your connect, your deeper connection to spirit. That’s where that’s where I get it is in those moments, you know.
00:59:03:05 – 00:59:37:12
Nathan Crane
And so I think if anything, it’s like adopting a spiritual practice or meditation practice or qigong practice, which qigong incorporates meditation, sound healing and subtle movement, and a lot of really beautiful things altogether adopt doing a daily practice. A weekly practice, I think is essential if we want to overcome that subconscious patterning That’s just keeping us in the mundane of the day to day and actually elevate ourselves to a higher, spiritually fulfilling, happy and healthy life.
00:59:38:01 – 00:59:38:23
Nathan Crane
What are your thoughts on that?
00:59:39:19 – 00:59:52:14
Grace De La Rosa
Well, one of the reasons why you felt so good in that meditative state for those 45 minutes is I can already say is you didn’t have your computer on. Hopefully you weren’t on your cell phone. You know what I mean?
00:59:53:01 – 00:59:59:03
Nathan Crane
And then turn it off. When I turn it off. When I do that, I bring it for safety, but I turn it off.
00:59:59:03 – 01:00:30:00
Grace De La Rosa
Yes. And that is so important to do. Whenever we have an opportunity to turn off wi fi and to shut down the technical energy that we are bombarded and forced to use, really that is when you’re going to start seeing changes in one’s feeling and one’s thoughts and things like that. If if if you think about it, most of our lives here in America, at least it’s always about doing, doing, doing, doing, doing.
01:00:30:14 – 01:00:53:24
Grace De La Rosa
And it’s always almost always related to our phones. We almost always have to use a phone. Think about I don’t know about you, but, you know, turn it off like mine is completely powered up. I don’t just have it silent. I have it all, like powered off and if I wasn’t talking with you or if you know, yes, I would keep that off and I would keep it.
01:00:54:09 – 01:01:31:16
Grace De La Rosa
I would keep it in a totally different room. Part of the reason why we are getting sicker than ever with all the technology that we have, think about this. There is no coincidence. It’s that the more technologically advanced we get, the sicker we end up getting, the more we have to be understanding of the reason why we must learn to balance using the beautiful technology that we are afforded with living a life of free of interference.
01:01:31:16 – 01:02:05:21
Grace De La Rosa
And when I say interference, we’re going back to energy. The interference from the radiation that is expelled from the energies that are coming from our technology, from our Wi-Fi, it’s real. And if you if you if you were to do some research on the fact that when we start started seeing technology and why if I coming together as one, then and only then will you start seeing a decline in the people’s health.
01:02:06:03 – 01:02:38:03
Grace De La Rosa
And then in crease in in the many different ways that our bodies have become sicker because with that radiation and coming off and you think about why people use x ray vests, nobody wants to get x rayed every moment of the day. Nobody wants to get MRI scans or PET scans or any kind of scans of that nature, because what it’s doing in there is exactly what our technology is doing with us today.
01:02:38:09 – 01:03:12:13
Grace De La Rosa
Right. And it disrupts it disrupts everything in our in our cellular level. We we end up, you know, men I would see young men climbing the 5G towers without any kind of protection. And that saddens me and it angers me. And it is just makes me realize some people are just not aware or if are they just close their eyes to it because like f you know, we’ll live, but you’ll live.
01:03:12:15 – 01:03:36:03
Grace De La Rosa
How long will you live? And it’s not necessarily how long you’ll live, but how will you live? I wouldn’t want to live another hundred years if I was in misery, in pain and not thinking for myself when we talk about not thinking for yourself, it’s because the children are bombarded with music that talking to them in different ways.
01:03:36:03 – 01:03:48:02
Grace De La Rosa
That’s not uplifting. Sometimes it makes people angry and that’s not where we want to go. That’s where they want us to go. To keep us sick. Angered.
01:03:48:19 – 01:04:12:02
Nathan Crane
Not been talking about the wi fi and the radiation. I mean, it’s it’s a very real thing. There’s a lot of science and I’ve researched this myself. The why the the why the signaling that comes off of the radiation that comes off of cell phones. The radiation that comes off of your Wi-Fi router, the radiation that’s coming off of these towers, it does cause free radicals in the body.
01:04:12:02 – 01:04:26:15
Nathan Crane
And free radicals can damage the DNA and cause cancer. There are many cases where women who have keep their phone on their breast all day long in their bra form tumors exactly the same.
01:04:26:22 – 01:04:28:04
Grace De La Rosa
That rectangular shape, the.
01:04:28:04 – 01:04:51:14
Nathan Crane
Rectangular shape of the phone, exactly where they keep it. There are studies that have done on people with Glioblastomas most glioblastomas actually that that are like right by the ear on the side of the brain, a huge percent. I don’t remember exactly what is where a huge percentage of them are on the same side that the people hold the phone next to their ear when they’re talking.
01:04:51:24 – 01:05:08:24
Nathan Crane
I mean, this is a very real thing you’re talking about and it’s also, hey, we’re living in modern society, that technology. We have phones, we have wi fi, we have all this. So it’s like unless you’re going to go live in the mountains like a monk away from all of it, which which could be nice, most people are not going to do that.
01:05:08:24 – 01:05:43:04
Nathan Crane
So what can you do? You can be smart about, like you said, don’t hold the phone to your ear when you talk. When I talk, it’s on speaker and I hold it like this. That’s the phone on your pocket all day long. That’s right. I always keep it on a table. Next to me. Work set up a Wi-Fi router, you know, and I have a EMF meter, so you can test this for yourself if you take a EMF meter and it’ll beep red because the radiation is so high, you can stick it right up to your Wi-Fi router.
01:05:43:04 – 01:06:01:11
Nathan Crane
And if you’re within three feet or five feet, you’re going to have it’s going to be beeping really loud and show all red. It’s got a lot of radiation coming off of it. But if you get ten feet away from it, that radiation goes down to to a very tiny, tiny amount. Same thing with your computer, your television, your smart TVs, your smart devices, all that stuff.
01:06:01:11 – 01:06:23:16
Nathan Crane
So you can set these things away from you and you don’t you will significantly reduce your exposure. Make sure you’re ten feet away from your Wi-Fi router. Make sure you don’t sleep with your phone on at night. I mean, unless you absolutely have to. But keep it away from you like ten feet away from you. My phone’s on airplane mode at night and it’s, you know, five feet away from me.
01:06:23:24 – 01:06:48:12
Nathan Crane
I turn to Wi-Fi router off at night. So it’s not protruding through the entire house. The simple things you can do to reduce your exposure. And guess what? If you’re going to reduce your exposure by 70, 80 or 90%, the chances of you reducing a cancer diagnosis, DNA damage, other problems that may occur, you know, reduces significantly. So it’s like these are simple things that we’re talking about.
01:06:48:12 – 01:07:19:02
Nathan Crane
But I think in a deeper mental, you know, that’s physical level is deeper mental, emotional, spiritual level. These devices are also destroying people’s lives because they get so sucked into the fake world inside social media and the dependency on constantly scrolling to keep, you know, the to keep the dopamine flushing through the brain. And people are becoming more and more depressed, more and more sick, more, you know, less connected from reality.
01:07:19:02 – 01:07:41:08
Nathan Crane
And that’s why, you know, I take my kids and on the weekends we go to the beach and we turn off the technology. We go for a hike or a walk, and we go sit at a park, turn off technology, we go camping, turn off technology. It’s like I, I it’s essential. I feel it’s essential that we do these things as an adult for the rest of my life, but also for my children that they experience life.
01:07:41:19 – 01:08:16:07
Nathan Crane
You know, they experience life with technology and they experience life every week, at least, you know, a day, a week without it. Because that’s where you can truly connect, I feel, to to the earth and to God and to reality outside of this kind of fake world that we live in. And at the same time, you know, I fully admit this technology is amazing because we can have a conversation like this and put it out online and it’ll reach it can reach millions of people all over the world and help people in their lives.
01:08:16:07 – 01:08:24:23
Nathan Crane
So, yeah, there are there are many benefits it but I think we have to be mindful of how we expose ourselves as well.
01:08:25:15 – 01:08:31:19
Grace De La Rosa
As long as as long as we are not allowing this use us. Right. Yeah.
01:08:31:20 – 01:09:15:21
Nathan Crane
And I want to ask you something really quick, if you don’t mind. You mentioned purpose earlier, finding your purpose, connecting with your purpose. I feel like everybody has kind of their own individual purpose to find in this life. It does have to be a huge grandiose purpose, but some purpose in their life. But I also feel like every human being comes here to this planet with with the same core purpose or purpose is what are your thoughts on purpose and finding your purpose and, you know, the purpose of a human being, and also to tie that in to addiction and addictive qualities.
01:09:15:21 – 01:09:37:05
Nathan Crane
And how, if you don’t mind to if you if you do see a connection there, because I do between addiction, because I think most people today have not only one addiction, but multiple addictions. And I think a lot of it has to do with not being connected to a deeper purpose in our lives. What do you think? Yeah.
01:09:37:21 – 01:09:59:09
Grace De La Rosa
Yes. I feel like, you know, even if people go now, I don’t have an addiction, many of us do. I’m not saying all, but many do. Many of us have the addiction to doing that. Addiction to doing, because that is what our society has always told us to do. That you are not a success unless you do well.
01:09:59:19 – 01:10:33:11
Grace De La Rosa
I come to say, as a mindfulness and meditation person exactly what we were just talking about. Sometimes it’s in the not doing where the growth and the beautiful fullness of life really comes to fruition, you know, allowing things to transpire as they do not with us having to force anything, you know, I’m listening to this beeping going on and in my area, that unit and there’s a beeping going on in the background.
01:10:33:19 – 01:10:59:13
Grace De La Rosa
And that just reminds me, I can either look at that as an annoyance or is that really a sound of music for me? I used to when I b when I used to live in in a world of loudness that would have irritated me because I that would have been the last thing I wanted to hear. My life is such that I don’t like loudness anymore.
01:10:59:21 – 01:11:37:12
Grace De La Rosa
I don’t like being around that are super loud, you know? But I like the silence. But every sound makes a song, you know, I think of every sound as an instrument in orchestra. And how cool is that? Thank you for allowing me to have the opportunity to hear that there’s somebody else in this world that is unable to hear and what they wouldn’t do to be able to hear what I might have thought was a nuisance, right?
01:11:38:18 – 01:12:10:05
Grace De La Rosa
So that that that rooster maybe clucking or cock a doodle doing at 3 a.m. or four, what a blessing. What a blessing. I’m able to hear that because that person can’t hear at all. How do you explain that sound to somebody that’s never heard? And so again, let’s focus on the beauty of being human. You know, you said so many beautiful things, Nathan, that I wanted to touch on.
01:12:10:05 – 01:12:34:10
Grace De La Rosa
I wanted to stop you at every second because everything you said is exactly what resonates me from my own personal experience. It has just been a lovely opportunity. Even the tough times, some days are better than others. I don’t care how spiritual we are. Being spiritual doesn’t mean we don’t have the feelings of frustration or things of that nature.
01:12:34:10 – 01:13:09:11
Grace De La Rosa
That’s why we are human. But when we can sit, feel that and recognize those feelings as an alarm to say, Hey, something’s about to happen it’s the alarm to our car, right? It’s the alarm to a car that’s popping up. That anger, that frustration, that resentment. And a lot of times those resentments become something that pushes us to the drinking, that pushes us to overeating, that pushes to wanting to have sex with somebody we don’t even know.
01:13:10:24 – 01:13:37:16
Grace De La Rosa
Right. Those are the addictions that we were talking about, how everything almost everything touches on addiction. Even the worst things in our society is based on the people that have caused themselves to be in that life of that life of doing over and over and over again the very thing that’s killing you and still doing it right. That’s addiction.
01:13:38:00 – 01:14:06:16
Grace De La Rosa
The addiction to doing working. Remember back in the day, I don’t know if you’re old enough, but we didn’t even have email when email first came out, they were saying all when you have email, it will save you so much time. Time for what? They said. Time to enjoy leisure now, because a human, a human wants to fill that extra time with other more productive things.
01:14:06:16 – 01:14:37:09
Grace De La Rosa
Right? So now we’ve come, you know, 20, 30, 40, 50 years into the future with us all, almost all even the homeless people are given free freaking phones to use when they don’t need that phone. They need a home, right? They need money to eat. But what do they do to our homeless? They give our homeless a free phone.
01:14:37:09 – 01:15:15:09
Grace De La Rosa
If our society really cared about the homeless, do you really think they’d be giving them a phone? No. They would give them a place to stay. We give our children everything they need to survive in that moment. If we did what we do with the pets, the strays that walk around begging for food, if we just saw the humans as the strays that are asking for us to help them for food, why would we not do that for our own human self type people that we do for our pets, that we do for the strays?
01:15:16:17 – 01:15:37:04
Grace De La Rosa
You know, we were one. If we were in that position, would we not want assistance to just a leg up, not living off of them, but just a leg up to help them get better as opposed to staying down in that whole get them out of the hole. Right. Right.
01:15:37:24 – 01:16:16:15
Nathan Crane
And, you know, and having I mean that’s that touches a something that I have a very close experience with having been homeless three times in my life before I was even 20, 23 or 24. And having gone through brutal addiction as a teenager and into my early adult years, you know, I know that neither the phone you know, there’s nothing you can give a homeless person like the compassion that you have and that I have for homeless people is very, very high.
01:16:16:15 – 01:16:40:08
Nathan Crane
And I know most people are homeless because of addiction and trauma. Most people there’s a few cases here and there. 90 plus percent of people who are homeless have drug addiction and alcohol addiction. They keep them homeless as well. As for health and mental health issues, Exactly. And the mental health leads to the addiction. The addiction perpetuates a mental health.
01:16:40:16 – 01:17:05:07
Nathan Crane
It’s an endless cycle. Right. And so what are they doing in California? Well, they’re just giving them drugs and they’re, you know, building these million dollar apartments to put people into. It’s it’s not going to solve the problem. People who are homeless are going through these challenges. They need mental health support. Right. They need to they need a program to help get sober.
01:17:05:13 – 01:17:33:17
Nathan Crane
They need a safe place to be and to live. Absolutely not $1,000,000 apartment, but, you know, I think it’s Michael Shellenberger who outlaid probably the most brilliant plan which actually comes from other countries. I believe in the Nordic where they have basically solved that problem by putting people into kind of recovery type homes. It’s either you either go here into recovery or you go to jail.
01:17:33:17 – 01:17:47:22
Nathan Crane
It’s your choice, right? You can’t stay on the street doing drugs and we’re not going to support your drug habit. We’re not going to support that because that’s not compassion. It’s not compassion to give a drug addict more drugs and let them live on the street and keep killing themselves. That’s just what.
01:17:47:23 – 01:17:49:09
Grace De La Rosa
The country was, because our.
01:17:49:09 – 01:18:17:13
Nathan Crane
Country does what its insane, right. Compassion is saying, hey, look, we’re going to give you the option. You can go to jail or you can go to a place where you can get help to get sober, to get mental health, to support, to have therapy, hopefully to eat well and to earn your way up. You know, you know, stay initially stay in a in a shared space, a communal space and multiple beds.
01:18:17:20 – 01:18:42:03
Nathan Crane
And eventually you can earn your to, you know, a single bedroom and then maybe earn your self place to it to a private apartment. But you have to build. You know, when I was homeless, there was nobody there giving me any handouts. Well, that had and had they gave me handouts, they wouldn’t have helped me. I had to work and claw my way out of that and discover myself, Hey, I need to get sober.
01:18:42:03 – 01:19:18:15
Nathan Crane
Hey, I need to get a job. Hey, I need to take care of myself. Hey, I need to be independent and be a productive member of society. I need to heal my traumas. And thankfully I was able to do that. But so many people are not. And as you said, there are so many just dysfunctional systems and corrupt systems in this country that don’t allow people to do that, because that as I’m finding out more, as I research it more, there are people who make hundreds of thousands of dollars by having all of these insane programs and funding programs that are supposed to help the homeless, that aren’t helping the homeless at all.
01:19:18:15 – 01:19:27:12
Nathan Crane
But the people running these programs are making a lot of money doing it. And so they have an incentive not to actually get people off the streets.
01:19:27:12 – 01:19:42:10
Grace De La Rosa
It’s That’s exactly that’s the problem, is a lot of our systems are built in such a way that they’re incentive is to make sure that who they’re supposed to be helping are the ones that they’re actually having to hurt in order for them to help.
01:19:43:14 – 01:20:09:18
Nathan Crane
So we we have 2 minutes left. It’s been a wonderful conversation I’d love to talk with you in-depth about so many more of these topics and hopefully we’ll get a chance to do it. I do want to make an announcement and also something I’m really excited about and I want to give you a chance to say any final words and also how any final thoughts you want to leave with people on the podcast and also how people can get in touch with you.
01:20:11:14 – 01:20:40:23
Nathan Crane
But the announcement I want to make is I’m really excited. You know, you’re a certified Reiki master. You do energy healing and group energy healing and through healing life. Darknet, which is our company that is bringing energy, healing and meditation and spiritual practice out into the world and making accessible to people all over the world. You’re going to be leading live group Reiki healing sessions.
01:20:41:13 – 01:21:07:16
Nathan Crane
So I’m super excited about that. I know you’re starting to do that. It’s a time recording. Probably already have done some live group sessions with people, and so I want people to be able to check that out. You can go experience that for yourself at Healing Life Dot Net and I’m excited that you’ve you’ve come on board as a faculty member to share your gifts with our community and with the world.
01:21:07:16 – 01:21:19:22
Nathan Crane
So thank you for that. And then as we wind down here for the last minute, just any kind of final thoughts, you want to leave with people on the podcast and then how can people get in touch with you if they want to connect with you personally?
01:21:20:19 – 01:21:42:20
Grace De La Rosa
Yeah, sure. I thoroughly believe in our bodies healing themselves. If we keep it the opportunity to rest without all of the medications, the drugs that are given to us to use, we can allow our bodies to heal. I’m a living proof of that. I was on 24 meds, you know, when I got to the point where I was like, Enough is enough.
01:21:43:06 – 01:22:16:01
Grace De La Rosa
And I can understand, know, one medication is supposed to offset the other medication and on and on. And that’s what happened to me. And eventually everything started eating up my bones and joints. And when I had that awakening, I stopped all of it. I’m not on those medications anymore. And I just want to say, when you are at the point where enough is enough, you know, that is the time when the changes will happen.
01:22:16:05 – 01:22:29:13
Grace De La Rosa
You’re already making the change when you say enough is enough and give yourself that opportunity to love yourself enough to realize. You’ve already just made that first change in your life.
01:22:29:13 – 01:22:47:09
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s beautiful. I want to I’d love to hear more of that story and how you titrated off all those drugs and the changes you made in your own life. So I would love to have you back on at some point in the future. Maybe we can talk more about that. But where can people connect with you? What’s the best place for them to get in touch with you?
01:22:47:22 – 01:23:13:13
Grace De La Rosa
Sure, I’m on all the social media. Well, Facebook, Instagram and LinkedIn. I’m also on YouTube. I have a YouTube channel there. And my website Living with Grace Dot Net. I love that yours is Healing life. Dot net. Absolutely Love that. And I absolutely love that. Got that going on. You know, come to nature first and then move forward.
01:23:13:13 – 01:23:17:23
Grace De La Rosa
Then the medications and drugs and things like that.
01:23:17:23 – 01:23:18:21
Nathan Crane
Nature first.
01:23:19:08 – 01:23:20:05
Grace De La Rosa
Nature just.
01:23:20:16 – 01:23:28:03
Nathan Crane
Well, thank you so much. Grace was wonderful having you on. I enjoyed our time and talk to you soon.
01:23:28:03 – 01:23:29:16
Grace De La Rosa
Thank you so much.
01:23:30:05 – 01:23:30:15
Nathan Crane
Take care.