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Unveil the truth about EMFs, from the convenience of wireless technology to its unseen hazards. Joined by Dr. William Pawluk, a leading authority in pulsed electromagnetic therapy, we delve into how EMFs, particularly from devices like cell phones and Wi-Fi routers, may impact our health on a cellular level.
Understand the difference between beneficial and harmful frequencies, and why the absorption of high-frequency EMFs by our bodies could lead to serious health issues, including tissue and cellular damage, and potentially cancer.
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Audio Transcript
(This transcript was auto-generated so there may be some errors)
00:00:00:00 – 00:00:29:08
Nathan Crane
Today we are joined by my friend Dr. William Pawluk. Dr. Pawluk is a board certified family physician. He’s got a practice near Baltimore, Maryland. He has academic appointments at numerous universities. He’s had training in acupuncture, homoeopathy, hypnosis and body work. He’s really considered one of the foremost authorities in the world on pulsed electromagnetic therapy. And Bill, thanks for coming on the podcast.
00:00:29:08 – 00:00:30:04
Nathan Crane
Man. Great to have you here.
00:00:31:11 – 00:00:39:01
Dr. William Pawluk
It’s my pleasure, Nathan. It’s always a pleasure to meet with you and chat with you and share and and exchange vitality.
00:00:39:13 – 00:00:48:18
Nathan Crane
Yes, sir. So, p e f therapy. What is it? Why do people need to know about it?
00:00:49:07 – 00:01:08:12
Dr. William Pawluk
All right, so PMF is like a gym as they sort of in a sense, a hidden gem, although more and more people are becoming aware of it. So EMF stands for pulsed electro Magnetic Field. So one of the first things we got to get rid of is the elephant in the room and the elephant in the room is EMF.
00:01:08:23 – 00:01:38:03
Dr. William Pawluk
People know about EMF with 5G wireless cell phones and so on. So EMF is a completely different technology. EMF is designed for communication. Right. That’s its purpose for communication. And human beings may get in the way. The basis for the risk, potential risk behind EMF is that EMF is extremely low frequencies. So a frequency is like a wave.
00:01:38:05 – 00:02:06:11
Dr. William Pawluk
So you could have that very wide wave or you could have a very narrow wave. Microwaves are very narrow waves. So we talk about Hertz HD. It’s a Z for short, but RTC Hertz is the measure of a pulse, a frequency two in one wave in the next. So EMFs are a very high frequency and they are basically absorbed by the body because the wavelengths are so short they don’t go all the way through the body.
00:02:06:11 – 00:02:12:10
Nathan Crane
There are high frequency and when you’re talking about high frequency, you’re talking about measured in Hertz. They have a high hertz.
00:02:13:02 – 00:02:15:18
Dr. William Pawluk
They have a very high hertz. Megahertz gigahertz.
00:02:15:18 – 00:02:21:19
Nathan Crane
Give some examples of what a high hertz would be and some examples of that like wireless Wi-Fi routers and so forth.
00:02:22:16 – 00:02:50:07
Dr. William Pawluk
So Wi-Fi routers and cell phones and microwave ovens are operating at at the level of gigahertz. So gigahertz would be billions of hertz, and otherwise it may be a billionth of a wavelength of a single wavelength. The wavelength a very short, for example, of the body, the length of the body from top, from foot, from foot to head, top of the head is about 100 megahertz.
00:02:50:07 – 00:03:22:08
Dr. William Pawluk
So anything that’s smaller than that basically gets absorbed by the body. So a normal radio wavelength in the, say, the kilohertz range or a radio signal or another kind of signal in the kilohertz range is going to be miles long as you go right through the body. So the key is that pumps are very long wavelengths. If they are wavelength, that means they go all the way through, whereas the very short wavelength that microwave wavelengths get absorbed.
00:03:22:12 – 00:03:27:24
Dr. William Pawluk
And that’s the purpose, that’s the basic the basis behind a microwave. Other.
00:03:27:24 – 00:04:01:15
Nathan Crane
So this is this is verified information, what you’re talking about. I mean, this is published in PubMed. I mean, people can go and look up this for themselves. I’ll share one article right here. But the electromagnetic field exposure on central nervous system, right? There’s a lot of these studies. You have tons of studies on your website. I’ve looked at these over the years, but talks about specifically how these EMF frequencies that you’re talking about in these these gigahertz can get or do get absorbed into the body.
00:04:01:15 – 00:04:28:07
Nathan Crane
So when they say absorbed, um, I saw it in here. Um, I have to look through this, but people can go look this up when it gets absorbed into the body. We’re talking you’re basically talking at a cellular level, right? It’s being absorbed instead of passing through the body, it is actually potentially causing biological hazards because it’s being absorbed at a cellular level.
00:04:28:07 – 00:04:29:10
Nathan Crane
Can you talk more about that?
00:04:30:14 – 00:04:52:22
Dr. William Pawluk
So, yes, our cell is smaller than the head of a pin and the point of a pin cells are extraordinarily tiny. And when a wavelength comes at it, right, then that cell either goes right on through the way, through the cell. In our case, we’re not just talking about a cell, we’re talking about a collection of cells, which is a tissue.
00:04:52:22 – 00:05:26:22
Dr. William Pawluk
Then we’re talking about an organ, and then we’re talking about the whole organism. Another is a whole body. So these very short wavelengths are absorbed by the very most superficial cells of the tissues. And that’s why we get damage to the skin from sunlight, extremely high wavelengths. They get absorbed by the tissues of car caused radiation damage. So if you get enough exposure, you get a strong enough field of very short wavelength stimulation that it causes disruption of the cells.
00:05:28:06 – 00:05:41:00
Dr. William Pawluk
It breaks apart the cell because it basically it’s heating the cell is damaging the membrane of the cell and therefore the cell dies. So a very long wavelength goes right on through. Just keep on going.
00:05:41:05 – 00:06:18:04
Nathan Crane
Now, the research I’ve done also specifically for cancer with EMFs is that it looks pretty convincing that what the EMFs are doing at a certain level, you said damages the membrane, which is which is a big problem. But it also seems to damage the mitochondria inside the cell, which that’s correct. You know, according to Otto Warburg in the research, you know, the Nobel Prize laureate in the research he did in the early 1900s, and that has been replicated on and on over the decades that mitochondrial dysfunction is at the root of cancer.
00:06:18:04 – 00:06:29:01
Nathan Crane
And so if EMFs are causing mitochondrial damage and die off of mitochondria, then we’re talking, hey, there’s a mechanism a potential mechanism for cancer, right?
00:06:30:18 – 00:06:58:17
Dr. William Pawluk
Well, it goes way beyond that. Obviously, if you destroy the cell, right, the wave hits it and then the cell starts to heat up, then everything inside the cell begins to get damaged. And of course, the mitochondria are part of that process of cellular damage. And if you create enough collateral, in other words, enough cells are involved in that, that discharge of of wavelengths, then you can have tissue damage, not just the cell damage, but tissue damage.
00:06:59:01 – 00:07:28:14
Dr. William Pawluk
So the collection of individual cells damage then creates a damage to a tissue, which then can eventually create damage to an organ. But it starts with the tissue damage. So once you once you create down to that tissue, whether it’s mitochondria or the other cellular components, all the other cells inside the cell, the mitochondria are critical, but they’re not the only structure inside a cell that can be damaged and that produce reactions that then cause the body to have to immunologically deal with it.
00:07:29:19 – 00:07:37:14
Dr. William Pawluk
And it’s the immunological reaction to that cell damage that then causes cancer to progress.
00:07:37:14 – 00:08:02:16
Nathan Crane
So EMFs getting absorbed. I mean, this is such a hard concept. I think, to logically wrap your mind around because number one, we don’t see EMFs, they’re invisible frequencies that are being passed, you know, between cell phones to towers, you know, Wi-Fi to this, you know, laptop and so forth. These are invisible things. We can’t see them, number one.
00:08:02:16 – 00:08:28:04
Nathan Crane
Number two, then we say, depending on the type of EMF, it’s either passing through your body, which you’re saying is pretty much harmless or it’s getting absorbed into your body. And we think of, you know, absorbing things. It’s like we’re absorbing water from the fruit that we eat. We’re absorbing, you know, toxins into our skin when we put lotions with toxins on them into our skin, going into our bloodstream.
00:08:28:04 – 00:08:39:15
Nathan Crane
But this invisible energy getting absorbed into the cell, I think is hard to fathom, just even hard to even wrap our minds around how.
00:08:39:15 – 00:08:41:03
Dr. William Pawluk
Light is absorbed into the cell.
00:08:41:12 – 00:08:43:19
Nathan Crane
Here you go. That’s a good. That’s a great example.
00:08:44:14 – 00:09:09:08
Dr. William Pawluk
Right? Sunlight is radiation from the from the universe is absorbed by ourselves to varying degrees, again, depending on the wavelengths. So clearly, sunlight is radiation, it’s ionizing radiation, and then it’s causing cellular damage. And those are extremely short wavelengths as well. So it’s a collective damage that causes the problem. It’s not the individual cell by itself. You can damage an individual.
00:09:09:19 – 00:09:35:10
Dr. William Pawluk
Individual cells in the body will recover it. But we have collections of cells that are damaged. And there there’s enough damage that you can’t recover those cells because you can’t repair them or you can’t repair then fast enough. Then that’s when the body’s systems for repair and reprocessing and reprograming and so on can’t keep up. And then if you do that enough times over and over and over again, then you create enough damage.
00:09:35:18 – 00:09:55:23
Dr. William Pawluk
It’s a snowball, you know, just kind of a snowball versus a big snowball. So you created a big snowball. Let’s click about this way. If you put a cell phone to your ear and you hold it there and you listen to a message, let’s say you’re talking on your cell phone for about 15 or 20 minutes. What happens when you remove the cell phone from your ear?
00:09:55:23 – 00:10:12:15
Nathan Crane
I haven’t done that long time because I use I always use my speakerphone like this because of that reason. But right. If I remember or I will use my AirPods sometimes and I try to use them sparingly, but they’re Bluetooth and I know, you know, that’s not ideal Bluetooth.
00:10:12:15 – 00:10:14:00
Dr. William Pawluk
That’s still radiation, but is.
00:10:14:00 – 00:10:28:14
Nathan Crane
Less radiation. But yes, you know, it’s like it’s either warm or hot or like like almost starts to hurt a little bit. Right. If I write like this for a long time, it’s like because it becomes uncomfortable, becomes uncomfortable here.
00:10:28:14 – 00:10:29:07
Dr. William Pawluk
We’ll turn red.
00:10:30:02 – 00:10:33:00
Nathan Crane
Now as I do to implement. Is it causing inflammation? Is that what’s happening?
00:10:33:09 – 00:10:52:12
Dr. William Pawluk
It’s increasing circulation. But what you’re doing is you’re basically cooking the ear as those microwaves are right next to the ear and the broadcast into those tissues very superficially. If you do a cell phone to that ear 4 hours a day for days on end, we found that there’s an increase in tumors at the base of the skull.
00:10:52:18 – 00:11:08:13
Nathan Crane
Yep. I’ve seen that research. I’ve shared that research. Yeah. Significant increase to glioblastomas on the exact same side of the ear that you hold the phone to consistently and as you said repetitiveness over time. Yeah. And it is causing inflammation. I mean that is one of the mechanism.
00:11:08:14 – 00:11:17:21
Dr. William Pawluk
Absolutely. Absolutely is it’s cooking the ear. So you’re not a microwave oven, but you’re acting like a microwave oven when you’re putting your cell phone to your ear.
00:11:18:15 – 00:11:24:09
Nathan Crane
Now, what if I hold the cell phone, you know, a foot away from me like this and use a speakerphone like this?
00:11:25:05 – 00:11:48:07
Dr. William Pawluk
Okay. So you’re still getting some radiation, right? It’s just not very much. So obviously, radiation drops off extraordinarily rapidly with distance, and that’s called the inverse square law. And because it does that, so if you take a 1000 and the same example, work for magnetic field therapy, if you take a 1000 Gauss magnetic field. So Gauss as the intensity of the magnetic field, that’s a very strong magnetic field.
00:11:48:07 – 00:12:16:07
Dr. William Pawluk
The Earth’s magnetic field is half a gauss gauss’s gave us gas. So that’s the intensity of the magnetic field. So if you use a 1000 Gauss magnetic field, one centimeter away, one centimeter by just half an inch away, you’ve lost 75% of that intensity. So same thing applies to microwaves depending on the power of the microwave. If you’re just sitting right next to a microwave transmitter.
00:12:16:07 – 00:12:20:05
Dr. William Pawluk
Right, it’s going to be a lot stronger than being a half a mile away.
00:12:21:13 – 00:12:27:22
Nathan Crane
Now you’re talking about a like a tower. That’s like a cell phone tower. Yeah, cell phone tower. Microwave.
00:12:28:01 – 00:12:38:21
Dr. William Pawluk
That’s a transmitter transmitters. A microwave transmitter. So if you’re right next to it, you’re going to get a lot higher intensity of the of the microwave field than you will if you’re half a mile away.
00:12:39:02 – 00:12:52:17
Nathan Crane
So, yeah, I’ve seen studies. I’ve seen studies that people who live within I think it’s a one mile radius of, you know, cell phone towers. Their cancer rates go up substantially. And it’s been in this has been research.
00:12:52:17 – 00:13:14:16
Dr. William Pawluk
Because it’s cumulative damage, it’s cubism. So if you just do a one minute blast a mile away, that much is going to happen. Your cells will be tickled a little bit, but there’s not going to be any significant damage. So the damage, the insults are repetitive and they happen over a long enough period of time and the cells don’t get a chance to recover adequately, which is why the cancers begin to grow.
00:13:15:00 – 00:13:37:13
Dr. William Pawluk
So if you have a house in the path of a microwave oven or a microwave tower, a microwave signal, then yes, you have that increased risk. But our day to day average exposures are not that typically that high unless you’re passing from one tower to another tower to another tower, you’re driving down the road. And yes, you could be you’re doing the same road every day, months and years on end.
00:13:38:13 – 00:13:41:22
Dr. William Pawluk
Then that that slight amount of damage it begins to build up over time.
00:13:43:08 – 00:14:07:23
Nathan Crane
Now I have a electromagnetic frequency measuring device. And so just to kind of back up what you’re saying here, you know, I will take it and as I walk closer to my Wi-Fi router, you know, it starts beeping Bob and then starts beeping really loud and goes red. It’s like his sending off a significant amount of electromagnetic frequency.
00:14:08:09 – 00:14:12:08
Nathan Crane
And then I back away five feet and it goes to normal, right?
00:14:12:08 – 00:14:18:21
Dr. William Pawluk
So almost while it still is still there or not detected by the equipment that you’re using to measure.
00:14:18:24 – 00:14:39:07
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s significantly less. And so, you know, that’s the thing, right? If you’re going to have your phone next to your head all day long and you’re going to be sitting, you know, a foot away from your Wi-Fi router, and you’re going to always be, you know, the laptop, if I remember correctly, when I measure my laptop, it doesn’t seem to transmit much EMF there.
00:14:39:14 – 00:15:13:17
Dr. William Pawluk
There are they are protected, they’re shielded. So most of the time the laptops are shielded enough that you don’t get that much exposure. And the laptop is not really producing microwaves as much because the signaling inside it, it really is more is designed for a lower frequency transmission. But because it’s receiving wireless, it’s still got it still has some of that signaling and there’s a little bit of amplification inside the laptop, but it’s not as powerful as a big like even the old TV screens.
00:15:13:17 – 00:15:13:24
Nathan Crane
So you.
00:15:13:24 – 00:15:16:22
Dr. William Pawluk
Can take out great monitors, computer monitors.
00:15:16:22 – 00:15:22:14
Nathan Crane
Right. So you can take your phone and, you know, put it a couple of feet away from you or keep it away.
00:15:22:14 – 00:15:38:13
Dr. William Pawluk
From your head to keep it away from you. I think your level of exposure is minimal. So but it’s additive. So if you go outside and you’re sitting next to a tower, that that little bit of exposure for your phone is going to add to whatever exposure you have environmentally otherwise.
00:15:38:13 – 00:16:09:00
Nathan Crane
So what other concerns do you have? And that has been demonstrated clearly in peer reviewed research about EMF. Specifically, we talked about damaging the cell, we talked about it damaging mitochondria. We talked about a potential link to cancer. I mean, even the correct me if I’m wrong, I think it’s awh0 who who classified Wi-Fi radiation.
00:16:09:03 – 00:16:09:19
Dr. William Pawluk
Carcinogens.
00:16:09:20 – 00:16:21:18
Nathan Crane
As as a probable yeah. Possible to carcinogen. So they’re already saying hey yeah this is probably cancer causing what else are you concerned about? What else has the research shown?
00:16:22:12 – 00:17:00:14
Dr. William Pawluk
Well, again, the EMF is cumulative and it’s also additive because it causes inflammation, as you discussed. Inevitably it causes inflammation some levels of inflammation. So that’s why anybody with an autoimmune disease, a hot autoimmune disease, it’s very active and the immune system is really revved up with high sedimentation rates, high CRP, high cytokine levels. So if you got COVID and you and you already have significant microwave exposure, you’re adding another level of risk on top of a risk you already have.
00:17:02:06 – 00:17:24:16
Dr. William Pawluk
Or if you have magnetic field exposure like Wi-Fi exposure and you get an infection, then that infection may be worsened because of the additional inflammation that’s being caused by the Wi-Fi around you. So it works both ways now that whereas these things add together and that’s why we were very we want to be very careful with people with autoimmune diseases, in particular MCUs as well.
00:17:24:16 – 00:17:33:13
Dr. William Pawluk
Marcell Activation Syndrome. C See, I. S All of these kind of inflammatory disorders are made worse with aggravation by wi fi.
00:17:33:21 – 00:18:03:14
Nathan Crane
Hmm. Inflammatory disorders. That’s, that’s something to be concerned about. So I just want to show this is so I’m saying the right thing here. World Health Organization, they have, like I said, the WHL, this was in 2011. They say that radiofrequency radiation was classified as a group to be possible human carcinogen, meaning they have enough evidence to support the fact that they believe it’s most likely cancer causing.
00:18:03:14 – 00:18:30:18
Nathan Crane
But when they say RF Right, radio frequency radiation, how is this different from yeah, talk about the frequency. Radio frequency. Okay but you were talking about is you know what are like kill it like radio kilohertz versus like radio frequency kilohertz. You also call is Wi-Fi frequency. You would also call radio frequency. It’s the same thing.
00:18:31:20 – 00:19:07:11
Dr. William Pawluk
Yes. Okay. They’re not those radio frequency levels. So radio frequency levels probably begin at about 200 megahertz and above. Most of the time, what we’re talking about is in the gigahertz range. So the shorter the wavelengths, the shorter the wavelengths are, the stronger the signal, the more likelihood of harm. There’s going to be some sunlight as well. You know, the farther you are from the sunlight, the exposure, the decreased length of time that you’re exposed, or if you wear shielding, if you wear a clothing that’s going to shield you from that radiation, but you don’t get the damage in medicine.
00:19:07:11 – 00:19:10:10
Dr. William Pawluk
We actually use radio frequency to burn tissue.
00:19:10:20 – 00:19:11:09
Nathan Crane
Right.
00:19:12:08 – 00:19:32:07
Dr. William Pawluk
Warts to a burn angiogram, aneurysms to collections of blood vessels that may be likely to bleed, whether it’s inside the brain or elsewhere in the body. So we actually actively use that technology to damage tissue that we want to be damaged again. Warts. Yeah. Or even cancers in some cases.
00:19:32:11 – 00:19:45:00
Nathan Crane
Interesting way to look at it. Yeah. I mean, that’s what radiotherapy is, right? I mean, radiation, you’re basically blasting away the cancer cells and the healthy cells with, you know, intense radiation.
00:19:45:00 – 00:19:54:08
Dr. William Pawluk
That’s correct. What is ionizing and what is not. But ionizing is really the key, is that it’s it’s ionizing. It increases the heat in the tissues. And that’s what the causes of the destruction.
00:19:54:08 – 00:20:00:02
Nathan Crane
So and it’s also the ionizing radiation that is the main concern. Right. Or is it non-ionizing?
00:20:00:04 – 00:20:01:08
Dr. William Pawluk
Yes. Yes.
00:20:01:24 – 00:20:04:14
Nathan Crane
It’s ionizing. Ionizing. That’s the main concern.
00:20:05:10 – 00:20:12:18
Dr. William Pawluk
That changes the ionic structures of the tissues in the bodies, in the cells and organelles and so on.
00:20:12:18 – 00:20:24:16
Nathan Crane
Okay. So what about like what are EMFs that are not a concern like some examples like a rate like radio.
00:20:24:16 – 00:20:25:16
Dr. William Pawluk
Waves, magnetic fields.
00:20:26:06 – 00:20:29:01
Nathan Crane
Pulsed electromagnetic fields. Right? That’s PMF.
00:20:29:13 – 00:20:58:11
Dr. William Pawluk
PMF. So and the reason is that the technology has a completely different design behind it. So cell phones, microwave towers and so on are designed to produce these very tiny, tiny wavelengths and they’re transmitting towers. So basically we call that open loop. So technologically speaking, it’s open loop, which is broadcast in the environment. It does not come back to the source pulsed.
00:20:58:11 – 00:21:28:06
Dr. William Pawluk
Magnetic fields, on the other hand, are designed by say, devices that produce current that is then pulsed at a specific rate and that current magnetic field then is caused by the flow of current and the wire. So it’s a localized to the wire and my thumb is the flow of the current in the wire. And so that current pulses right at the rate of 50 cycles per second or 100 cycles or 60 cycles per second.
00:21:28:14 – 00:21:57:20
Dr. William Pawluk
In the US it’s 50th in in Europe it’s in Europe is 50 in the US at 60. So when that pulse well every time that pulse goes by in that wire, a magnetic field is produced. And that’s that’s a common law. It’s called the inverse. It’s called the right hand rule of magnetic fields produced Maxwell’s equations. So what happens is the magnetic field is produced as the current goes by and it comes back, goes up and down, up and down in and out, essentially in and out.
00:21:58:03 – 00:22:24:14
Dr. William Pawluk
And it’s 360 degrees around that wire. So that pulse of magnetic field then is designed to effectively go through the body or into the body to do various actions in the body, similar kinds of actions to radiation, to ionizing radiation. And and even the microwave ovens are microwave fields. But because the wavelengths or the pulses are so long, they go in and out.
00:22:25:23 – 00:22:51:06
Dr. William Pawluk
They do not stay in the body. They go through the body completely. So all of these machines that are pumps essentially most I would say almost all of them, depending on the pulse rates, are essentially going through the body. They don’t stay in the body and they go in and out. They come back and forth. So as that pulse goes through, the magnetic field goes out and goes into the body and it collapses back down to the source.
00:22:51:12 – 00:23:08:22
Dr. William Pawluk
So that’s called a closed loop system. It always comes back to a neutral. It doesn’t go on up, doesn’t keep going. So it’s controlled. It’s a controlled form of exposure to a magnetic field.
00:23:09:03 – 00:23:16:11
Nathan Crane
Now, what does that mean for people? Why is that important? Why is that an important distinction? How does that show up in the body.
00:23:17:04 – 00:23:39:07
Dr. William Pawluk
As it has less risk and it’s not a frequency per say? So this is a major source of confusion for people. Microwaves are frequency. They’re they’re more like a wave in a pond or a wave in the ocean. It just keeps on going. Now, it may hit a shore, which case they think that extinguishes, whereas a pulse magnetic just goes back and forth.
00:23:39:08 – 00:23:47:14
Dr. William Pawluk
It does not keep going. And that’s important because then it means it’s not absorbed by the body.
00:23:48:06 – 00:23:57:07
Nathan Crane
Mm. So does it. Do you see a EMFs pulse like from frequencies anywhere in nature.
00:23:57:07 – 00:24:33:15
Dr. William Pawluk
Um, yeah, that’s a good one. Um, I’m, I’m having a hard time thinking of something that’s not electric, so possibly eels. Hmm. But the magnetic fields, the currents produced by eels are what we call DC current, is that it’s a steady current. It’s not a pulsing currents not going in and out, in and out. So I can’t think of anything in nature that does just automatically come to mind.
00:24:33:18 – 00:24:43:02
Nathan Crane
What about the earth itself? I think according to the Space Foundation, they talk about how the Earth projects like a natural PMF field.
00:24:44:04 – 00:25:03:24
Dr. William Pawluk
All right. So there’s there’s two kinds of magnetic fields this time varying and I was like we just mentioned they just move in and out. So microwaves are time varying pulse, magnetic fields are time varying, so they vary over time. I A fridge magnet is a static magnetic field or it’s a permanent magnetic field. It’s not moving, it’s not time varying.
00:25:05:05 – 00:25:28:01
Dr. William Pawluk
So the Earth’s magnetic field is a constant field. There’s a little bit of vibration and shrinkage and expansion of it, but it’s really not truly a pulsed magnetic field. It’s more of a direct current. It’s there, it’s steadily there. It’s like it’s like a French fridge magnet. It’s just it made and it just stays that way.
00:25:28:01 – 00:25:58:20
Nathan Crane
And that’s that’s been shown to actually be incredibly beneficial to our health. The especially, you know, with the research on grounding and earthing, any time you can get yourself connected into nature, whether it’s barefoot on the grass outside in a forest, you know, connecting to this natural frequency that the earth is putting off, there’s some interesting science showing how it basically has an antioxidant effect at a cellular level, how it helps reduce inflammation.
00:25:59:13 – 00:26:22:12
Nathan Crane
You know, I sleep on a grounded, you know, earthing bed sheet. I have a grounded pad under my where I work at my computer that’s grounded. And I, I stand on it barefoot and I’ve actually measured it where I’m standing on it. I’m measuring my electrical field and it goes down significantly. I step one inch off of it, get my feet off of the grounded mat and electrical field goes up significantly.
00:26:22:18 – 00:26:36:14
Nathan Crane
So I’ve tested that and it clearly works. It clearly, you know, connects you, ground you to that, what you could call, you know, a healing frequency that the earth is constantly transmitting. What you’re saying is more like a.
00:26:37:03 – 00:26:38:11
Dr. William Pawluk
That’s not that’s not true.
00:26:38:19 – 00:26:39:02
Nathan Crane
No.
00:26:40:03 – 00:26:43:19
Dr. William Pawluk
No. There’s a lot of confusion around that, actually. Okay.
00:26:43:19 – 00:26:45:09
Nathan Crane
What’s the confusing? Was confusing.
00:26:45:09 – 00:27:16:11
Dr. William Pawluk
Part of the Earth’s magnetic field is static. Mm hmm. It’s not moving. When we’re talking about earthing, we’re talking about how your currents that tell your currents, there are electrical currents that are flowing on the surface of the planet. They’re electrical, they’re not magnetic, and they’re DC currents. They’re just constantly flowing. So what happens then is that as we we see this with bracelets, same concept.
00:27:16:22 – 00:27:46:11
Dr. William Pawluk
You wear a copper bracelet. What’s the copper bracelet doing for you? The copper ions. And the copper is interacting with the basically the fluid in the skin, the electrolytes in the skin, the sweat in the skin. And then there’s a dielectric caused by that, that change in electric current between the two. There’s an exchange. We have to coat our pipelines with material that makes the pipeline inert.
00:27:46:23 – 00:28:11:18
Dr. William Pawluk
We have a pipeline exposed to the earth. There’s a dielectric caused by that. When you touch a spoon into a filling, you get a shock. That’s a dielectric, right? So the earth’s there is currents that tell your currents interact with the body’s fluids and the ions in the body to create an electrical exchange. It’s an electrical phenomenon, not a magnetic phenomenon.
00:28:11:23 – 00:28:23:01
Nathan Crane
Okay. So it’s electrical phenomenon when you’re you’re barefoot on the earth, for example, the yeah. The natural antioxidants that you’re basically receiving is due to the electrical current.
00:28:23:20 – 00:28:24:15
Dr. William Pawluk
Electric current.
00:28:24:20 – 00:28:33:07
Nathan Crane
These are these are ion these are basically negative ions that the body receives from the electrical current of the earth because.
00:28:33:16 – 00:28:44:08
Dr. William Pawluk
That a positive pull in a negative part. So it’s flowing in one direction typically. So as long as there’s flow and that electrical flow, then it influences the tissues of the body which are electrically sensitive.
00:28:45:05 – 00:28:55:12
Nathan Crane
Now, would you agree that that is a healing response, that you would say it’s more healing and regenerative versus, you know, deleterious and degenerative?
00:28:56:04 – 00:29:17:17
Dr. William Pawluk
Yeah. So the difference is that that’s a passive system and it’s very low intensity. It’s extremely low intensity. So it’s not likely to heal because it doesn’t penetrate the body deeply. So we have a problem, for example, with electrical stimulation, transcutaneous electrical stimulation, tens machines or electrical stem in general does not penetrate the body very deep at all.
00:29:18:09 – 00:29:45:03
Dr. William Pawluk
In order to penetrate the body deeply, you have to electrocute the body and then you’re burning tissue because it’s the electrical stimulation. So it’s a very different phenomenon in the body. The acupuncture system of the body is a DC current system. So when you’re laying on the ground and you’re interacting, the tissues are interacting with the electrical flow of the natural earth itself and the flows of currents in the body.
00:29:45:17 – 00:30:12:19
Dr. William Pawluk
Then those are all amplified and that’s part of the earthing process. The earthing process then basically increases the flow and the charge and the amount of energy production in the acupuncture system. That’s one of the reasons people feel so much better is because of the acupuncture system. MM. Not because it’s directly affecting the cells and tissues. I learned magnetic flow therapy were after I studied acupuncture, so I wanted to be able to do acupuncture to help people with pain.
00:30:13:23 – 00:30:30:11
Dr. William Pawluk
And people did not want to do needles. That was 1990. They said, what? What’s acupuncture? So they want to say, wait, stay away from me with those needles. I said, What can I do instead of acupuncture with needles? Having spent two years of training doing this now, I can’t use it because people don’t understand it and don’t want it.
00:30:31:04 – 00:30:53:14
Dr. William Pawluk
I said, Well, let me try something else. I discovered magnets. So in the Orient they were putting magnets on acupuncture points and lo and behold, it worked. Well, why do magnets work on an acupuncture point? Because it’s a static magnet. It’s not a dynamic magnet. Static. It’s because the current in the body is interacting with the magnetic field in the static magnet.
00:30:53:23 – 00:31:16:21
Dr. William Pawluk
So if I put a magnet here and the current flowing past it, then you get an exchange of energy, right? So the magnets that are amplifying the magnetic, the flow of the current in the DC card system of the acupuncture points, the meridians, so points acupuncture points are capacitors. They take the very low level current that’s flowing in there.
00:31:17:04 – 00:31:26:07
Dr. William Pawluk
They increase it and pass it on to the next acupuncture point. So that whole system is basically is going like this all day long, the 12 hour circulation system.
00:31:27:23 – 00:31:41:17
Nathan Crane
So what exactly are the acupuncture points? How does it answer? Like what exactly are the acupuncture points? And how does the magnets, for example, help send signals to each point on the body?
00:31:42:12 – 00:32:00:21
Dr. William Pawluk
So acupuncture points are a change in current in the tissue locally. So basically it’s a conjunction of the blood vessels and the nerves in one spot, which creates essentially a vortex. And so you have increased energy at the center of that vortex and it gradually reduces as you go move away from it.
00:32:01:01 – 00:32:06:08
Nathan Crane
Say it again. So what is it? What is it? That exactly creates the vortex. The energy vortex.
00:32:07:02 – 00:32:30:14
Dr. William Pawluk
It’s the basically the ions and the electrical fields created by the tissues which have a certain concentration and a certain focus. It’s extremely low level, but it’s enough with a whole body system to be able to still produce an influence on the acupuncture points of meridians mean this whole argument about this whole discussion about acupuncture points. We still need a lot of debate about what an acupuncture point is.
00:32:31:12 – 00:32:53:09
Dr. William Pawluk
A basically, it’s a low level current system. It’s like a sink. So when you put a needle in the sink, an acupuncture needle in the sink, you’re creating what’s called the current of injury, which is increasing the current in that acupuncture point. It’s amping it up, it’s creating a vortex, an energy vortex that builds up and then it sends a signal on to the next the next acupuncture point along that meridian.
00:32:53:21 – 00:33:12:08
Nathan Crane
Now says, has this been verified scientifically where each of these points is on the body? Yes. And they and you can measure that this area has more. Would it be accurate, say, electromagnetic frequency in that area, or what would you say?
00:33:13:05 – 00:33:30:06
Dr. William Pawluk
It’s a change in electrical potentials in that spot. So there are devices that are acupuncturists use actually that they can actually measure right over that spot. So I’ve been passed this little probe along the skin, along the tissue. You can see that there’s a big drop in energy at that spot.
00:33:30:09 – 00:33:34:22
Nathan Crane
So so this is so the amount of energy actually decreases in that vortex.
00:33:34:23 – 00:33:45:19
Dr. William Pawluk
That vortex, but it builds up over time. So if you pass more energy along the meridian, then all of a sudden this thing activates.
00:33:45:19 – 00:33:57:23
Nathan Crane
It activates bye bye. Do it by using the magnets or by by putting on the circuit or putting the needles in or awkward and maybe even maybe even something like Qigong Energy Healing, for example, maybe that be.
00:33:57:24 – 00:33:59:07
Dr. William Pawluk
Anything that increases the energy.
00:34:00:06 – 00:34:04:14
Nathan Crane
Increases the energy in the vortex area, which is also known as an architecture.
00:34:04:14 – 00:34:06:24
Dr. William Pawluk
The point of the acupuncture point, the meridian.
00:34:06:24 – 00:34:07:23
Nathan Crane
The acupuncture point.
00:34:08:06 – 00:34:08:12
Dr. William Pawluk
Right.
00:34:09:18 – 00:34:30:21
Nathan Crane
I think is adding I’ve never heard it explained that way. That’s super fascinating. What even blows my mind more like it’s interesting. It’s like, oh yeah, we have scientific devices that can measure this stuff, which is cool but blows my mind more is how people figured stuff out thousands of years ago in traditional Chinese medicine, before they had instruments to measure this stuff.
00:34:31:14 – 00:34:56:22
Dr. William Pawluk
While they do this, they knew there was something called cheat. And of course you have sensitive people who can detect flows of energy and current. I’ve done studies on people with their with aura, their auras, and I’ve used a dowsing rod and I put somebody on a magnetic system. And then after they got off, I then tested their aura with a dowsing rod and there are expands dramatically.
00:34:58:12 – 00:35:21:19
Dr. William Pawluk
So that’s the energy field of the body expands significantly when you when you expose that body to a magnetic field, it’s charging the body. Yeah. So they discover the meridian system largely because the people were very sensitive. And when don’t forget, 3000 years ago there was a lot less interference.
00:35:21:19 – 00:35:23:23
Nathan Crane
No cell phone, no cell phone towers back then.
00:35:24:06 – 00:35:41:00
Dr. William Pawluk
Cell phones, no radio signals. Right. Everything was quiet. And so people had a lot more sensitivity to their environment. And if you pass so there are people obviously who do therapeutic touch or who do healing work, direct healing work, and they can pass their hands over a body and detect a cold area in the tissues and it’s okay.
00:35:41:01 – 00:36:07:09
Dr. William Pawluk
That area needs help. It’s supposed to be the same temperatures the rest of the body. And so they know then that’s an area to focus their healing on. And that dowsing is the same principle. Finding water in the ground is the same principle. And they’ve done studies with magnetic fields where they change the panels. So they have doctors walking past a series of panels that are magnetized or not magnetized and randomly changed, and the doctors could detect where the magnetic screens were.
00:36:07:09 – 00:36:10:01
Dr. William Pawluk
Every time.
00:36:10:01 – 00:36:39:21
Nathan Crane
And the dowsing is it for people don’t know dowsing maybe. Explain a little bit. I actually spoke to a dowsing group in San Diego like years ago and have practice a little bit dowsing. And it’s pretty fascinating, actually, but that’s traditionally how water was found for millennia. Right. And has been super, super accurate, where you literally can take two sticks even or two pieces of metal rods or whatever, and you’re walking and moving in the in the rods are moving.
00:36:39:21 – 00:36:49:14
Nathan Crane
And then when they cross, you know, if you’re really doing it accurately, it’s like this is the spot where there’s water. So why does that happen?
00:36:49:14 – 00:36:52:07
Dr. William Pawluk
But it’s actually not water. It’s flowing water.
00:36:52:09 – 00:36:53:09
Nathan Crane
Flowing water. Yeah.
00:36:53:21 – 00:37:12:17
Dr. William Pawluk
And the water can be flying too fast and it can’t be still. So that’s one of the reasons that officers have to go back and forth because they’re going in and out of the magnetic field. So when you or I walk into a magnetic field, our our body, our sensory systems and sensory receptors in the skin, notice it.
00:37:13:20 – 00:37:39:00
Dr. William Pawluk
We’re moving too fast. We don’t notice it because it’s a millisecond it’s a thousandth of a second that happens very rapidly below our level perception. But as we go into the field, let’s say the magnetic field is gradually increasing like this, like you’re walking into field as you’re walking in, the field is changing. And then when you the top of the field is higher than your head, you’re in the field, you don’t notice any change anymore.
00:37:39:00 – 00:38:04:02
Dr. William Pawluk
So that’s why you have to kind of go back and forth to scan and to basically do contrast detection in that field. And that’s when you notice the magnetic electromagnetic differences. So the dozers, what they’re doing is that their, their sensory systems are detecting the changes in the magnetic field and they have trained themselves to have small changes in their muscles and the electrical systems of the muscles and the tissues of the body.
00:38:04:06 – 00:38:07:14
Dr. William Pawluk
And they can detect that difference.
00:38:07:14 – 00:38:14:05
Nathan Crane
Interesting. So the water is putting off a higher magnetic field then would that be accurate to say.
00:38:14:22 – 00:38:37:17
Dr. William Pawluk
So it’s a flow of water. Yeah. With the flow of water, there’s a change in energy there. So the electrical field of the water that is in is changing. Yeah. And the body’s electrical just like. That’s just like earthing. Then the water potentials are interacting with the potentials of the body. Then to create a sensation of change.
00:38:37:17 – 00:38:42:23
Nathan Crane
So are you a fan of Earthing specifically?
00:38:42:23 – 00:39:14:23
Dr. William Pawluk
I would say if I had to choose between a past magnetic field system for a problem and those and earthing I would choose the magnetic field. And the reason why I agree with you that a static magnetic field on the bed doing our thing is going to have a benefit birthing had more benefit in the timeline of humanity when we didn’t have all these extraneous influences because it’s a very, very weak stimulus to the body.
00:39:14:23 – 00:39:39:00
Dr. William Pawluk
So when acupuncture we do needles, but we also do electro acupuncture. Now that your acupuncture gets results much better, much faster, much stronger. So you’re amping up the total amount of charge. So Earthing is better than nothing. And when we were, you know, living on the land and laying on the ground and walking barefoot on the ground, we were constantly tapping up the body.
00:39:39:11 – 00:40:04:07
Dr. William Pawluk
Yeah, we have so many interferences now that they drown out the benefit that you’re getting from the earthing itself for the most part now, given what earthing does to you, which is to amp up the energy in the body, if you do magnetic field therapy, you’re amping that up thousands more fold, it’s a much more dramatic increase in the amount of energy production in the body.
00:40:04:07 – 00:40:25:05
Dr. William Pawluk
So ideally, what diseases you’re dealing with, how important health conditions. Earthing is not enough. It won’t solve it well enough because it doesn’t go deep enough into the body to do the work. And that’s the key to then go deep into the body. It’s stimulating the acupuncture system. So it’s rebalancing the acupuncture system, which is a good thing, but it’s not healing tissue.
00:40:25:05 – 00:40:48:10
Dr. William Pawluk
This is one of the reasons I stopped doing acupuncture. When I discovered magnetic field therapy. I discovered magnetic field therapy. Heal the tissue. Acupuncture didn’t heal the tissue. So if I had a cut, I could do acupuncture around the cut. It’s not going to heal it anywhere near as fast as doing a magnetic field over the cut. Dramatically different difference in the rate of healing.
00:40:49:19 – 00:41:06:01
Dr. William Pawluk
And then when you’re talking about going deep into the body, we’re talking about going deep into a brain or into a heart or a liver or the gut, the entire volume of the gut. And you need stronger magnetic fields to go deeper because they they have to they lose their intensity with distance. So you have to account for that distance.
00:41:07:03 – 00:41:15:19
Dr. William Pawluk
So my heart’s magnetic. The answer to your question that basically goes back to, I think grounding and earthing is effective, but it’s not good enough.
00:41:17:07 – 00:41:18:09
Nathan Crane
If you’re dealing with a crime and.
00:41:18:12 – 00:41:24:09
Dr. William Pawluk
Dealing with when you’re dealing with aging. I don’t think grounding is adequate either, given the stressors that we live under.
00:41:24:18 – 00:41:37:12
Nathan Crane
Hmm So, so pulsed electromagnetic frequency. You’re saying these PMF devices, they put out a frequency that is it goes.
00:41:37:12 – 00:41:38:15
Dr. William Pawluk
To a magnetic field.
00:41:38:15 – 00:42:01:15
Nathan Crane
Magnetic field goes into the body and then comes back to the device, goes into the mind, goes back to device number one. You’re saying it doesn’t actually absorb into the cells, but number two, if it’s not absorbed in the cells in any negative or positive way, then what’s the benefit you’re receiving from this particular frequency versus an EMF, like a radio frequency that’s causing damage?
00:42:01:15 – 00:42:05:18
Nathan Crane
How is this how is a PMF device? You know, frequency.
00:42:06:07 – 00:42:32:08
Dr. William Pawluk
Absorbed that is not absorbed, it’s not going to cause harm. What happens is what science has discovered is that as a magnetic field is passing through the body, it’s interacting with the ions in the tissues, the electrolytes and the ions in the tissues. All cells, all components of cells have charge associated with them. They’re ions. And so the more ionized the body is, the more it’s going to interact with that magnetic field.
00:42:33:06 – 00:42:57:17
Dr. William Pawluk
So basically what we’re doing is we’re, we’re inducing charge in the body that’s based on Faraday’s law. We’re increasing the charge production in the body as that magnetic field in it’s interacting with all those ions, it’s stimulating them. And as it comes back out again is doing it back on the back way all the way back. So it’s much more dynamic and creating charge in the body.
00:42:58:01 – 00:43:26:14
Dr. William Pawluk
We did some curling photography on a healthy guy. I know people know about credit photography. You’re blasting the body with energy and then you have a measurement tool that sees how that energy has been absorbed by the body. A sick body doesn’t absorb the energy as well. A hyperactive and inflamed body absorbs way too much. So we took this healthy person and we did this photography basically on the on the body, and he showed his aura.
00:43:28:08 – 00:43:57:12
Dr. William Pawluk
And then we treated him with a magnetic, high density magnetic field. And and redid the testing. There was about a 20% increases in his energy in the body and a healthy person. So 20% doesn’t sound like much. But let me ask you a question. How efficient is the body in converting fuel into work?
00:43:57:12 – 00:44:10:12
Nathan Crane
It depends on the type of fuel, but there is definitely a loss. There’s definitely a loss in conversion of, you know, carbohydrates, fat, protein into fuel. It’s pretty, pretty efficient, though.
00:44:11:16 – 00:44:18:24
Dr. William Pawluk
It’s actually very inefficient. I hate to dispute you a car engine. An automobile engine is terrible.
00:44:19:17 – 00:44:19:23
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
00:44:20:04 – 00:44:24:06
Dr. William Pawluk
20% efficient. Right. The body is about 20, 25% efficient.
00:44:24:20 – 00:44:28:17
Nathan Crane
From converting 20 to 35% efficient. Be sure.
00:44:29:19 – 00:44:31:08
Dr. William Pawluk
For whatever research I read.
00:44:31:19 – 00:44:35:13
Nathan Crane
From converting like carbohydrates, fat protein into fuel.
00:44:35:13 – 00:44:37:05
Dr. William Pawluk
Weren’t into muscle work.
00:44:38:01 – 00:44:59:18
Nathan Crane
Into muscle work. Okay, interesting. I mean, there’s well, there’s a lot of things that have to happen, right? There’s a lot of things that the body requires biologically from, you know, carbohydrates, fat and protein, for example, to I mean, it’s not just muscle. I mean, there are so many different functions that are.
00:44:59:22 – 00:45:22:17
Dr. William Pawluk
Cortisol in the body every bit across, every biochemical process in the cell. Right. Relies on that fuel. So if sort of the fuel could be oxygen because you need to have oxygen to make ATP, but you’re burning calories, you’re creating calories, you’re burning something to create calories to do work. And this is where the body is not that efficiently converting fuel into work.
00:45:22:17 – 00:45:24:00
Nathan Crane
Gotcha. Gotcha.
00:45:24:00 – 00:45:44:04
Dr. William Pawluk
Has a save a lot of efficiency that an army automobile engine does are approximately there. I’m really giving this really really not to get to the technical detail precise because it really is very hard to be precise for the reasons you mentioned. It has to do with the conditions of the body, has to do with the amount of exposure or has to do with just so many different factors.
00:45:44:10 – 00:46:09:09
Dr. William Pawluk
But the principle is the same is that there’s a significant loss of energy. So what the body needs is it needs more to be charged, essentially to be more efficient. So part of therapy increases ATP production in the body by upwards of 400%. Hmm. The magnetic field causes ATP to be produced by upwards of 400%. Now, every tissue is going to be different.
00:46:09:09 – 00:46:17:00
Dr. William Pawluk
Everybody’s going to be different. But I’m saying up to about 400%.
00:46:17:00 – 00:46:17:15
Nathan Crane
That’s huge.
00:46:19:02 – 00:46:46:23
Dr. William Pawluk
So that is huge. It’s got to go back to the example I gave you, the guy with the curly in photography and that is magnetic fields significantly amplifying a generally healthy person. So all of a sudden he had an increase in energy. So if he went out and tried to run or weight lift or do some work with his body, whatever, whatever work he’s doing, presumably muscle work, he’s going to be doing it much better temporarily for a short period of time until at least until that’s exhausted.
00:46:46:23 – 00:46:51:03
Dr. William Pawluk
That increase in energy is exhausted.
00:46:51:03 – 00:47:03:13
Nathan Crane
So what studies have you seen that show PMF increase ATP by up to, what’d you say, 400%. 500%.
00:47:03:13 – 00:47:24:24
Dr. William Pawluk
We’ll have that for my average is a lot less. But there was a paper that’s actually published in my my book, Power Tools for Health. So there’s a section in there about one of the one of the actions of magnetic fields, and they’re about 25 to 27 different actions, at least what I describe based on science is about 25.
00:47:25:05 – 00:47:29:22
Dr. William Pawluk
And one of those actions is increasing ATP and that references in that is in the book.
00:47:32:05 – 00:47:44:23
Nathan Crane
There’s a reference that I’m looking up right now that talks about apparently this was done by Nasser and showed a 400% increase in stem cell activity after the use of PMF. Have you heard of that?
00:47:45:15 – 00:47:59:03
Dr. William Pawluk
Yes, absolutely. That’s a that’s a very important study is quoted frequently. So magnetic fields were done to a stem cell culture, a neural stem cell culture, and they exposed those cells to about 200 Gauss magnetic field for 24 hours.
00:47:59:08 – 00:48:07:15
Nathan Crane
I think this is it for those watching the effects of a pulse like dramatic field on proliferation osteogenic differentiation of human adipose derived stem cells.
00:48:08:13 – 00:48:10:00
Dr. William Pawluk
Yeah, that’s not that study.
00:48:10:00 – 00:48:10:14
Nathan Crane
This is not that.
00:48:10:21 – 00:48:14:18
Dr. William Pawluk
That’s. There’s a lot like that, though.
00:48:14:18 – 00:48:23:04
Nathan Crane
Bone related gene expression increased after two weeks of PMF exposure. Okay, so this was a different one that also showed increase in stem cells.
00:48:23:04 – 00:48:26:24
Dr. William Pawluk
You have to look up neurons. You have to look up massa and neural stem cells.
00:48:27:09 – 00:48:33:06
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I was looking for that one, but I didn’t find the actual study. Just articles about it now say and neural stem cells.
00:48:33:06 – 00:48:47:15
Dr. William Pawluk
Is the author’s name is Goodwin. There it is.
00:48:47:15 – 00:48:59:06
Nathan Crane
Present investigation. It tells the development of models for growing two and three dimensional human neural progenitor cells within a culture made of cells over time, varying electromagnetic field time varying. Is that different than pulsed electromagnetic.
00:48:59:06 – 00:49:00:12
Dr. William Pawluk
That’s what we’re talking about. Pulse the.
00:49:01:00 – 00:49:08:12
Nathan Crane
Same thing. Okay, that’s okay. I’d have to read the whole paper, but this one that’s you’re basically saying.
00:49:08:15 – 00:49:09:24
Dr. William Pawluk
Two and a half to four times.
00:49:10:14 – 00:49:21:19
Nathan Crane
Yeah. For up to 400% increase the stem cells by up to four to you know 200% to 400% the rate of the non wave form cells.
00:49:24:13 – 00:49:27:00
Dr. William Pawluk
While the waveform b the pulsed magnetic field.
00:49:28:08 – 00:49:29:07
Nathan Crane
Which means are more than ten.
00:49:29:08 – 00:49:46:22
Dr. William Pawluk
What they found is actually that there was a significant increase up to 600% approximately or maybe even more of growth factors. MM. Well, 160 growth factors were turned on by the magnetic field, which then contributed to the growth of those stem cells which are of stem cells.
00:49:47:05 – 00:50:07:23
Nathan Crane
Which is pretty fascinating because anything that can stimulate, you know, our stem cells generally can be a good thing for health, for regenerating tissue and so forth. I mean, you also have cancer. You also have cancer stem cells you have to be concerned about. And I don’t know if that’s not was part of it.
00:50:07:23 – 00:50:28:23
Dr. William Pawluk
Because of the environment the cancer stem cells are in. But it’s a bunch of different factors that coordinate both stem cells. In fact, actually, this is one of the things we want to talk about with cancer is PMA therapy is very, very important for cancer because it basically decreases the production or the stimulation or the activation of those quiet, quiescent stem cells that are in our bones.
00:50:30:04 – 00:50:41:10
Dr. William Pawluk
So if you decrease inflammation, you increase oxygenation in that environment, that tumor microenvironment, then you turn off those stem cells.
00:50:41:10 – 00:50:55:09
Nathan Crane
Here’s a paper that says PMF. So this one’s called Signaling Pathways involved in the anti-inflammatory effects of pulsed electromagnetic field in micro glial cells. So Hailsham micro.
00:50:55:09 – 00:50:57:06
Dr. William Pawluk
Glial cells is the brain brain cells.
00:50:58:22 – 00:51:21:24
Nathan Crane
Blocks neuron from neuroinflammation reduces the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines. Um decreases reactive oxygen species, diminishes cell invasion and phagocytosis and micro glial cells as powerful.
00:51:21:24 – 00:51:32:16
Dr. William Pawluk
I that’s in my book Power Tools for Health. I have 600 that discuss the approximately 25 actions of magnetic fields in the body.
00:51:33:23 – 00:51:50:11
Nathan Crane
Okay, so pulse like pulse, electromagnetic frequencies. There’s obviously a lot of research on them that they can be very beneficial from a health perspective. Now, does it matter what kind of what the frequency is, the intensity of the PMF.
00:51:51:07 – 00:52:15:06
Dr. William Pawluk
And this is I think you’re you’re you’re doing something that a lot of people do, which is to confuse the difference between frequency and intensity. And passed electromagnetic amps is not part of electromagnetic frequencies. It’s the electromagnetic fields is a very common this a very common sort of misuse of the terminology. I understandably so. I’ve only been doing this with magnetic fields for 30 years, better known, but.
00:52:15:06 – 00:52:15:22
Nathan Crane
Very long, you.
00:52:15:22 – 00:52:16:23
Dr. William Pawluk
Know more than you about.
00:52:16:23 – 00:52:20:20
Nathan Crane
It. You know you don’t have that much experience. Yeah. 30 years. Yeah.
00:52:21:22 – 00:52:22:14
Dr. William Pawluk
30 years.
00:52:23:17 – 00:52:33:03
Nathan Crane
Yeah, yeah. No, you know, you’re, you know your stuff, okay. Field So F is for field and the difference between fields and frequencies is okay.
00:52:33:09 – 00:52:59:10
Dr. William Pawluk
So a frequency is again a pulsation. So you can have the waveform, which is Hertz, right? Or you can. And many people often use pulsations or pulse pulsations pulse fields synonymously with hertz, which it can be misleading and confusing. Mm. All right. So our waveform is a is a is a hertz. A pulse will have a peak and a valley.
00:52:59:17 – 00:53:27:23
Dr. William Pawluk
So many people will then still use the word Hertz because it goes peak. The peak. But a pulse basically is is is very different. So frequently then relates to the pulsation rate and intensity determines the strength of the magnetic field, the power of the magnetic field. So a weak light as a low strength, our intensity a powerful a strong light as higher intensity.
00:53:29:04 – 00:53:56:07
Dr. William Pawluk
The same thing with wind and cold and heat. So the colder it is, the great, the more power there is in that and that cold, etc.. So the intensity of the magnetic field is Gauss gave us an arm or a Tesla or Milli Tesla, so let’s use Gauss. So that’s the intensity of the magnetic field and that’s critical because Faraday’s law, which which is a critical law relative to what magnetic fields are doing.
00:53:56:19 – 00:54:18:12
Dr. William Pawluk
Faraday’s law says that the rise time of the pulse of the magnetic field, the height of that magnetic field and the time that it takes to get from zero to peak is critical. That’s called DB slash d t. So that means that the higher the pulse and the faster it pulses produces more energy in the body.
00:54:19:04 – 00:54:23:04
Nathan Crane
Mm. And that’s what you want. You want more energy production in the body, right. That’s what we.
00:54:23:08 – 00:54:35:16
Dr. William Pawluk
Want, more energy in the body because that’s what induces the electrical fields in the body that do all the work that magnetic fields do in the body or that the body does in response to the magnetic field.
00:54:35:16 – 00:54:42:21
Nathan Crane
So the higher gauss or the higher intensity of the magnetic fields is actually better.
00:54:44:09 – 00:55:23:19
Dr. William Pawluk
Typically, typically. And I’ll give you an example. I have a blog on my website about adenosine, you know, adenosine. You like adenosine? Mm hmm. Adenosine is the basis of the molecule for making adenosine triphosphate, which is ATP. While the body has adenosine receptors. And those adenosine receptors are responsible for in dealing with inflammation. So the magnetic field stimulates adenosine receptors, it stimulates the production of adenosine, stimulates the attachment of the adenosine to the receptors for it, and therefore helps with inflammation.
00:55:23:19 – 00:55:51:12
Dr. William Pawluk
Research has found that the optimal magnetic field strength, intensity or stimulating the adenosine receptor is 15 Gauss 151.5 milligrams per hour, 15 Gauss. So there you go. So you already you have a statement that says you need a certain level of intensity to have the optimal level of stimulation of adenosine receptors. And where are those adenosine receptors on white blood cells and where are the white blood cells?
00:55:52:06 – 00:55:52:20
Nathan Crane
Everywhere.
00:55:53:10 – 00:56:14:23
Dr. William Pawluk
Everywhere. Every time every time you do it in the body. So every time you do magnetic field therapy, your activity, adenosine receptors. So even a weak magnetic field will do that, too. But the optimal magnetic field is 1.5 milligrams or 15 gauss. So if you have a magnetic device that’s less than that, you’re getting almost nothing from a benefit perspective.
00:56:15:12 – 00:56:32:05
Dr. William Pawluk
The other problem is the problem that we discussed before with Michael. It’s not a problem. Actually, the good thing about microwaves is most of the time they’re weak. Unless you’re next to a tower, they drop off according to something called the inverse square law. And we use that law in medicine to calculate the dose of radiation into the body.
00:56:33:03 – 00:56:52:18
Dr. William Pawluk
And we’re going to use radiation. We have to calculate the dose that we’re trying to deliver into the body. If you try to deliver radiation to the skin, you don’t need as much to try to deliver radiation deep into a lung or to a heart or to a brain. They need a much higher strength magnetic field. And that’s calculated according to the inverse square law.
00:56:52:18 – 00:57:22:01
Dr. William Pawluk
So what happens then is that if the magnetic field starts at, say, 15 gauss, then basically maybe about half an inch into the body, it’s all gone. You’re down to almost zero if you want to stimulate across the brain to deliver 15 Gauss, to decrease neuroinflammation across the brain from one side of the brain to the other, you’re going to need 4000 gauss.
00:57:22:01 – 00:57:23:02
Nathan Crane
That’s a huge difference.
00:57:23:14 – 00:57:37:07
Dr. William Pawluk
That’s a huge difference. So I mentioned at some time ago that a thousand Gauss magnetic field will drop off two basically lose half, lose three quarters of its intensity in one centimeter.
00:57:37:18 – 00:58:02:16
Nathan Crane
In one centimeter. Okay. That’s why. So it loses three quarters of its intensity in one centimeter now. So okay, that’s why you need 4000 to go from one side of brain to the other. Now, is there a concern about, you know, projecting 4000 or transmitting 4000 gauss in those immediate cells within that first inch of the brain just to get 15 gauss at the other end or whatever, right?
00:58:02:16 – 00:58:02:23
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
00:58:03:16 – 00:58:08:16
Dr. William Pawluk
So the good thing is healthy cells ignore the magnetic field.
00:58:08:16 – 00:58:12:20
Nathan Crane
How do we know that?
00:58:12:20 – 00:58:33:19
Dr. William Pawluk
Hundreds of thousands of cases of use of magnetic fields, most of the research that we’ve that we’ve looked at shows that there’s no harm or damage. A study done at University of Virginia took a magnetic field that exposed it to the brachial artery, and they used sophisticated ultrasound equipment to look at the dilation and the contraction of that regulatory.
00:58:34:17 – 00:58:58:02
Dr. William Pawluk
And they found within a microsecond that a millionth of a second that blood vessel dilated and almost as fast it constricted, went in the opposite direction, constricted. And then almost as fast it went back to normal. The neutral. So the magnetic fields will cause the body to react to it, but they don’t keep reacting to it. Only basically where you have pathology that’s stuck.
00:58:58:02 – 00:59:15:01
Dr. William Pawluk
Healing is stuck, but you have a motion that continues to work at that tissue, so it’ll work for a longer period of time. Normal cells basically ignore the magnetic field. They say, well, this is very interesting. So even the higher intensity magnetic field basically gets shrugged off by the body.
00:59:15:09 – 00:59:20:07
Nathan Crane
How much Gauss was that study used on the on the artery, do you know?
00:59:21:22 – 00:59:24:06
Dr. William Pawluk
Yes, I think it was probably around 25 or 50 gauss.
00:59:25:11 – 00:59:27:00
Nathan Crane
Oh, so not 4000 though.
00:59:27:06 – 00:59:28:04
Dr. William Pawluk
It wasn’t 4000.
00:59:28:20 – 00:59:31:23
Nathan Crane
Do we have studies at that high of a level for that for that.
00:59:31:24 – 00:59:39:21
Dr. William Pawluk
Well let me let me let me give you a place to look for studies. Have you heard of our TMS?
00:59:39:21 – 00:59:40:08
Nathan Crane
Not sure.
00:59:41:01 – 00:59:45:12
Dr. William Pawluk
They are our stands for repetitive TMS is transcranial magnetic stimulation.
00:59:46:01 – 00:59:47:01
Nathan Crane
Okay. Yes, I have.
00:59:48:00 – 01:00:20:12
Dr. William Pawluk
A that’s an FDA approved to treat treatment resistant depression and OCD and some other neurological disorders. So they use 20,000 Gauss magnetic field to the brain. Millions of people have been treated, almost no side effects, almost no risk. So that’s a lot more field that you really need for the kinds of things we’re talking about. And even that’s been found to be extraordinarily safe.
01:00:21:05 – 01:00:33:09
Dr. William Pawluk
Now there are guidelines around using it properly, but Other than that, if you follow the guidelines, there’s really no really significant risk associated with it, which is truly amazing. Actually.
01:00:33:09 – 01:00:44:14
Nathan Crane
And so I just looked up some common side effects of our TMS. They’re saying a transient headache that usually responds to simple analgesic. Um, local discomfort.
01:00:44:15 – 01:00:45:17
Dr. William Pawluk
Emphasis is transient.
01:00:46:05 – 01:00:55:19
Nathan Crane
Yeah. They go away. Local discomfort in the stimulation area, dizziness very rarely generalized seizure.
01:00:55:19 – 01:01:00:24
Dr. William Pawluk
And the seizures probably happen. Some of the research shows the seizures probably happened because they were ready to have a seizure anyway.
01:01:02:20 – 01:01:09:19
Nathan Crane
This is a 20,000 is what they’re using this for. And it helps with depression. And helps with depression is what you said.
01:01:10:11 – 01:01:10:18
Dr. William Pawluk
Yep.
01:01:12:10 – 01:01:41:03
Nathan Crane
And it talks about their pain going down after the intervention as well. So that’s another thing I’ve seen in the PMF research is for pain. I know you have a lot of experience with that. So what are the things that you see with pulse electromagnetic frequencies? And these are just so people know, these are devices that you can actually use at home that transmit these frequencies.
01:01:41:22 – 01:02:11:09
Nathan Crane
I mean, the transmitter I’m sorry. Now, I’m not going to say the right words, thanks to you. The transmit, the magnetic fields, electromagnetic fields into our bodies that are responsible for helping reduce inflammation and so forth, activate it the electrical increase, the charge in our bodies, which, as we’ve already shown, helps increase ATP production, which is essential for basically every biological function in the body.
01:02:11:09 – 01:02:20:04
Nathan Crane
That’s the energy. So so that’s a good thing. And but how does it reduce it? How does it help people with pain? For example?
01:02:21:04 – 01:02:55:16
Dr. William Pawluk
There are several mechanisms. And so the question always becomes what causes the pain? And magnetic therapy has actually been found even in snails, to reduce the pain signal by itself, just like we call that. Well, there’s a term for it. I’m blocking on it for a second, but basically the pain signal itself. So what happened is with snails and with snails on a hot plate and they’d measure how quickly the snail would get off the hot plate.
01:02:55:24 – 01:03:15:09
Dr. William Pawluk
And they had they varied the temperature of the hot plate. So what they did is they did morphine and it gave snails injections of morphine, tiny little injections, obviously. And they measured how long it took the snails to get off the plates. So they measured how much morphine you had to give us now and how long it would take the snail to get up.
01:03:15:09 – 01:03:17:15
Dr. William Pawluk
And obviously, if the snail didn’t get off, this now got cooked.
01:03:18:02 – 01:03:24:02
Nathan Crane
A sounds like a torture device. Oh, my God. That’s that sounds terrible. Especially yours now. And you can’t move very fast.
01:03:24:13 – 01:03:27:06
Dr. William Pawluk
Mean you’re eating snails. Yes, you’re.
01:03:27:06 – 01:03:30:18
Nathan Crane
Right. I don’t know. I don’t eat snails because.
01:03:30:22 – 01:03:33:03
Dr. William Pawluk
I haven’t been to have been to Montreal Expos.
01:03:33:04 – 01:03:40:08
Nathan Crane
No, I don’t. I don’t eat animals. But that’s all right. So. All right. So this tests their measuring to give it morphine. Okay.
01:03:40:08 – 01:04:07:18
Dr. William Pawluk
And it has a natural anti nociceptive. So that’s the term nociceptive. So no deception is the sensation of pain. Anti Nociceptive is the is the lack of sensation of a pain or blocking the sensation of pain. So the natural pain, killing action by itself, as if you give somebody codeine or morphine or ibuprofen or Tylenol that has a natural painkilling effect, then the pain comes back.
01:04:07:18 – 01:04:45:10
Dr. William Pawluk
If you don’t heal the cause. Right? So the goal then with magnetic field therapy is to heal the cause. You get the natural painkilling effect anyway, but you really want heal the cause. And so what’s the cause of pain? Most of the time it’s due to inflammation. So an injury is inflammation for the most part. And if you have a basically a needle in your hand, then that’s going to cause pain from the injury to the tissues and then almost immediately get a reaction of inflammation, right?
01:04:45:18 – 01:05:09:16
Dr. William Pawluk
So so the magnetic field therapy decreases the inflammation. So you keep applying the magnetic field and the inflammation goes down. I’ll tell you an anecdote, a story. My wife broke a little toe, right it hitting lawn furniture. So as it was bent out, black and blue, swollen, painful. Yeah, right. You should have that. Right. That should what happens should be what happened when you break your toes like that.
01:05:10:06 – 01:05:14:09
Dr. William Pawluk
How long does it take to heal a broken toe?
01:05:14:09 – 01:05:17:01
Nathan Crane
No idea. Why wait six weeks?
01:05:17:05 – 01:05:47:10
Dr. William Pawluk
Yeah, 5 to 6 weeks. So we did a magnetic field to her, put it right on. Right after she did that, I kept it on for 24 hours. It was a 200 Gauss magnetic field. Kept it on from that afternoon till the following morning, following morning. No pain, no swelling, no bruising. All gone. Wow. Another 24 hours walked a mile and tennis shoes did another 24 hours walk three miles of tennis shoes.
01:05:47:18 – 01:05:49:21
Dr. William Pawluk
And that was that was at the end of her treatment.
01:05:50:01 – 01:05:56:13
Nathan Crane
All right. I need to do that. I need to do that for my knee. My knee has been bothering me for weeks, actually, months now. And I need it here.
01:05:56:16 – 01:06:00:20
Dr. William Pawluk
Yes, just magnetic fields will take care of the causes, which is usually chronic inflammatory.
01:06:01:05 – 01:06:10:12
Nathan Crane
Yeah, my bone is definitely, you know, inflamed and it’s it’s the bone is what it is, you know, it’s something going on with the bone.
01:06:12:03 – 01:06:21:06
Dr. William Pawluk
And it could be the ligaments attached to the bone. They’re causing the bone to be stressed and you can have bone marrow edema, all that going on magnetic fields. That’s that’s a no brainer, really. One of the earliest.
01:06:21:06 – 01:06:26:04
Nathan Crane
Well, what kind of gauss what level of gauss would you need for something like that. That’s, you know, the first.
01:06:26:17 – 01:06:46:09
Dr. William Pawluk
A local problem right there. Now, if it’s deeper into the knee, you need a lot more. But if you’re just right there at the top of the knee, essentially at the edge of the knee, then that’s common. Bone marrow edema is often very, very superficial. So a $200 magnetic field would be adequate and you’d basically just wear it continuously until basically the pain goes away.
01:06:47:17 – 01:07:12:09
Nathan Crane
Now, is it actually so is it here? So it’s we’ve already talked about how it does reduce inflammation. We know that most actually if you research pain signals in the body, right where scientists used to believe and a lot of people still believe it’s a local issue, it’s the tissue itself that is where you’re getting, you know, the pain notification from.
01:07:12:09 – 01:07:41:10
Nathan Crane
But it’s actually, as you talk about nociceptors, it is communication, electrical communication back and forth to the brain that’s telling you, hey, there’s a problem here. There’s pain. And oftentimes you have you may have chronic pain even though the entire area has healed. But absolutely that connection, electrical connection, the information hasn’t actually I don’t know how to say it updated, if you will, like a computer to say, oh, this needs to be.
01:07:41:15 – 01:07:42:21
Dr. William Pawluk
Needs to be reset, needs to.
01:07:42:21 – 01:07:53:19
Nathan Crane
Be reset, rebooted. So your brain’s like, okay, that area is actually fine now. It’s totally healed, but you can still have chronic pain there until you kind of reset those and those except I.
01:07:53:19 – 01:07:55:23
Dr. William Pawluk
Call that, I call that the chronic pain brain.
01:07:56:04 – 01:07:58:11
Nathan Crane
Mm.
01:07:58:11 – 01:08:25:23
Dr. William Pawluk
So chronic pain causes a resetting of the brain receptors with the limbic system, the hypothalamus, the hippocampus, all of these areas of the brain that basically take that information, the pain information, they’re trying to dampen it. They’re trying not to have that pain. So they begin to change themselves. And over time, chronic pain actually causes a remodel of the tissues of the brain, which then promulgates and continues and reinforces and and keeps up the pain signal.
01:08:26:12 – 01:08:39:00
Dr. William Pawluk
So yeah. So you can, you can treat chronic pain locally, obviously, if it’s still a problem locally, you should treat it locally. If you treat it locally and the problem goes away, you’re okay, you treat it locally, there’s no more inflammation there. Then you should be treating the brain.
01:08:40:05 – 01:08:47:12
Nathan Crane
Which okay, that’s it. That’s a discussion for another time. I want to stay on the PMF conversation because it’s it’s very interesting.
01:08:47:12 – 01:08:51:00
Dr. William Pawluk
So I use PMF for that purpose, in fact, for the brain.
01:08:51:06 – 01:08:51:16
Nathan Crane
For helping.
01:08:51:16 – 01:08:52:17
Dr. William Pawluk
Reset brain.
01:08:54:03 – 01:08:54:23
Nathan Crane
And how does that work?
01:08:55:11 – 01:09:18:11
Dr. William Pawluk
Because it’s not it’s not invasive, it’s not risky. It’s safe. As I mentioned, you could do 20,000 goes to the brain with with not virtually no reactions and certainly no longer term harm. It works very, very well. In fact, there are studies about TMS. If you go online and look up studies on TMS and chronic pain, that there are studies that show that significant benefit the brain for chronic pain.
01:09:18:19 – 01:09:22:21
Dr. William Pawluk
Mm. Well, better than narcotics.
01:09:24:07 – 01:09:34:03
Nathan Crane
So does it work for all kinds of pain, all kinds of physical issues. All came from bones to ligaments, to joint, you know, muscles, everything.
01:09:34:21 – 01:10:01:04
Dr. William Pawluk
Well, obviously, different tissues heal at different rates. Ligaments and tendons don’t have great blood supply. There’s a lot of inflammation associated with a ligament or tendon. So first of all, a ligament or tendon or any part of the that’s having pain, it’s about the nerves in the area of the pain. Yeah. The nerves that are irritated and inflamed and involved because that’s what’s stimulating, that’s causing the signals to go to the brain.
01:10:02:09 – 01:10:25:02
Dr. William Pawluk
So if you quiet down the nerves, you quiet down all the pain. So our goal then is to get the nerves quieted down. Now, a highly nerves are really, really on it. You just barely touch them and they’re going to fire off like crazy. You have to go low and slow at the gradually tease out the inflammation, gradually reduce the inflammation because you don’t want to overwhelm those pain centers.
01:10:25:02 – 01:10:45:00
Dr. William Pawluk
The pain signals are the nerve fibers. So you have to go low and slow. That’s The biggest risk with magnetic field therapy is doing too much, too fast. And on my website, I have a blog about going low and slow. So you have to sort of let your body teach you or tell you how fast you can use it and how strong you can have it.
01:10:45:13 – 01:11:06:14
Dr. William Pawluk
And as the healing happens, the pain signal goes away and it stays away if you’ve completely healed the problem. What happens is people often stop doing that treatments when they feel no more pain. But that doesn’t mean the inflammation is all gone. It doesn’t mean the tissues have been healed. So we usually stop magnetic field therapy too soon for most people.
01:11:07:14 – 01:11:10:15
Nathan Crane
How would you know if it’s too soon? How do you know when to stop it?
01:11:11:21 – 01:11:34:03
Dr. William Pawluk
What? What do athletes do? You go to a trainer and you get treatment, right? And then the trainer and you say, okay, I think, let’s try. You test you. So you test there’s no pain and you keep testing it, pushing the testing. You finally reach a threshold that says, okay, now we better stop. And then we know we have to do more treatment or we change the treatment protocols.
01:11:34:03 – 01:11:46:14
Dr. William Pawluk
So eventually, as you test to the maximum, let’s say you have a goal of jumping over a high bar or high jumping, or if you can’t do that, then you’re not ready yet. So if you can finally do that, probably you’re ready.
01:11:47:09 – 01:11:48:24
Nathan Crane
Okay, this is basically a test.
01:11:48:24 – 01:11:50:13
Dr. William Pawluk
You listen to the body. The body is going to tell you.
01:11:50:16 – 01:12:08:01
Nathan Crane
Got you. Yeah. Which is which is common physical therapy. Know protocols. Exactly. If you start, you know, let’s say you start with £10 dumbbells, hey, no pain. You go to £20 hey, no pain, you go £30. And all of a sudden you’ve got a level one. You’re like, okay, let’s pay attention. You got a £40, you got a level four pain.
01:12:08:01 – 01:12:34:14
Nathan Crane
You’re like, okay, that’s too much, right? Kind of general physical therapy protocols. You can do physical therapy up to about a level three pain. And that’s obviously, you know, different for every person. But once you go beyond that, then you might be causing more harm than good. So You’re going to test slowly and see if that pain actually has completely gone away as you increase different movements or if it starts to show up again.
01:12:34:14 – 01:12:50:04
Dr. William Pawluk
Absolutely. And I used to do that in the practice. Somebody come to me with a shoulder problem or a hip problem. I would take a magnetic coil, the high intensity magnetic system, and put the coil over the or over the area. And then I tell them I’m going to increase the intensity of the magnetic field until you tell me it’s uncomfortable.
01:12:52:00 – 01:13:13:01
Dr. William Pawluk
Then that’s our baseline. No pain, no gain. A little bit of discomfort is not a problem. And I say, okay, now I’m going to crank this up until you tell me that you can’t tolerate it. So then I have a framework between discomfort and intolerance. So I want to be trading above discomfort, but below intolerance has. If you do that, then you’re going to do it faster.
01:13:13:01 – 01:13:14:21
Dr. William Pawluk
It’s going to work faster for you.
01:13:15:15 – 01:13:22:05
Nathan Crane
So someone like my case, you said I should just have a something like a 400 gauze.
01:13:23:04 – 01:13:24:09
Dr. William Pawluk
200 gauss machine.
01:13:24:14 – 01:13:30:08
Nathan Crane
Goes to 200 you she might call called my knee like 20 for like basically 24 hours a day.
01:13:30:22 – 01:13:33:01
Dr. William Pawluk
You could do that for the first few days and then I.
01:13:33:01 – 01:13:37:23
Nathan Crane
Want you now how would I do that? Like what would that device look like? How would that how would that work? Like I just put in my.
01:13:37:23 – 01:13:43:17
Dr. William Pawluk
Product called a flex pulse. So Flex policy.
01:13:44:00 – 01:13:45:15
Nathan Crane
I think I think I have one of those.
01:13:46:18 – 01:13:47:07
Dr. William Pawluk
You have one?
01:13:47:14 – 01:13:48:11
Nathan Crane
I think I have one.
01:13:49:02 – 01:14:06:17
Dr. William Pawluk
I think you do. All right. So you take a flex pulse coil and you put it right over that spot, wrap your knee with a nice bandage or a knee wrap. I just put it on. And what I normally do is advise people just wear it all night and now not working, wearing it all night. Then you may have to wear it throughout the day.
01:14:06:19 – 01:14:16:23
Dr. William Pawluk
So you could wear it 24 hours with day, with no problems and I do that for a few days, really get the inflammation crack down and then basically you go, then just do it less, less frequently.
01:14:17:08 – 01:14:23:06
Nathan Crane
I have to find it. What I know is multiple settings, like what setting would you use for maximum intensity?
01:14:24:03 – 01:14:30:21
Dr. William Pawluk
So for you, Nathan Crane and I think Nathan Gray is a masochist.
01:14:30:21 – 01:14:41:13
Nathan Crane
I’m not a masochist. I do push through pain. I don’t like pain. Right. It’s not like I seek pain, but I will push through it forever until like.
01:14:41:19 – 01:14:42:20
Dr. William Pawluk
A masochist.
01:14:42:20 – 01:14:47:15
Nathan Crane
As a masochist, like someone who still who actually enjoys the pain. Right.
01:14:48:02 – 01:14:53:19
Dr. William Pawluk
Doesn’t matter. You wouldn’t. You’re a masochist. If you lift that much weight.
01:14:53:19 – 01:14:59:01
Nathan Crane
Yeah, but lifting much weight isn’t painful. Is rewarding, because you do something that is painful.
01:14:59:01 – 01:15:00:21
Dr. William Pawluk
You didn’t. You had pain on the way up.
01:15:01:17 – 01:15:23:10
Nathan Crane
No, it wasn’t pain. That’s that’s challenge. Challenge is different than pain right now. Now, the masochist part does kick in when you know, I’m squatting and my knee is hurting and I’m like, well, it’ll go away. And I just keep squatting for months until it gets to the point where like, I can’t even do a body in air squat, you know, with weight without it significant hurting.
01:15:23:10 – 01:15:41:03
Nathan Crane
And then I go, okay, now I’ve got to back off for weeks or months because I push myself stupidly through the pain for too long, and now it’s become a serious problem I guess that’s part of the masochist part that’s that’s a David Goggins mentality. I’ve kind of had most of my life where it’s like, Yeah, it’ll just go away.
01:15:41:03 – 01:15:47:07
Nathan Crane
I’m going to keep going, you know, you’re masochist. But I don’t, I don’t seek the pain, but I don’t run away from it either.
01:15:47:07 – 01:15:48:17
Dr. William Pawluk
So you’re a masochist.
01:15:49:06 – 01:15:50:18
Nathan Crane
Okay, if you say so and.
01:15:50:24 – 01:15:57:09
Dr. William Pawluk
You are willing to do the activity and you have the pain that you’re a masochist. Now, there are there are degrees of masochism.
01:15:57:21 – 01:16:07:08
Nathan Crane
Right now I’m reading mascots. A person who derives sexual gratification from their own pain or humiliation. That is definitely not me. There’s no sexual.
01:16:07:20 – 01:16:09:02
Dr. William Pawluk
Other there’s other nuances to.
01:16:09:02 – 01:16:28:04
Nathan Crane
That. All right. In general, he is a person who enjoys an activity that appears to be painful or tedious. Now, is it enjoying the activity that’s painful or tedious or is it enjoying? See, I the result and the feeling afterwards. Okay.
01:16:28:17 – 01:16:31:10
Dr. William Pawluk
So which doesn’t take away from you being a masochist.
01:16:31:21 – 01:16:53:16
Nathan Crane
Okay, because I know that pushing myself through cold like I don’t enjoy ice bath in the morning. I enjoy knowing how it’s helping me physiologically, how it’s giving me more energy throughout the day, how it’s increasing my testosterone when I work out after I enjoy the benefits I get from it, but I don’t ever look forward getting into the ice bath.
01:16:54:10 – 01:17:10:06
Dr. William Pawluk
Okay, so there’s risk and reward. Yeah, yeah. You’re always weighing risk and reward. So to you is not enough risk for the reward you’re getting, right. You’re balancing the two. Yeah. Because you’re willing to take the risk. That’s masochism.
01:17:10:14 – 01:17:19:17
Nathan Crane
Well. Well you, I mean you have to if you don’t take any risk at all to go through a challenging time, then you’re, you know, you’re never going to grow. That’s how we promote.
01:17:19:17 – 01:17:21:23
Dr. William Pawluk
But it doesn’t take away from the definition of masochism.
01:17:22:05 – 01:17:23:07
Nathan Crane
Oh, I don’t know the.
01:17:23:07 – 01:17:24:17
Dr. William Pawluk
Activity part with.
01:17:25:08 – 01:17:47:09
Nathan Crane
A person who enjoys an activity. I don’t enjoy ice baths, ever. No, that’s not true, though. I will say there is. I don’t know. I can get to a place where I can calm my nervous system and then and then I’m relaxed and then it’s like, okay, this is this is tolerable. I can’t say there’s joy in it, though.
01:17:47:09 – 01:18:10:13
Nathan Crane
And it’s funny. I’ll do a really hard CrossFit workout, you know, get to the point where you push yourself so hard, breathe and sweat and laying on the ground feeling dead. And I’ll a huge, big, deep breath and kind of gather energy into my body and then all of a sudden I feel amazing. And then as I was dying in the workout and hating it and feeling terrible, you know, 5 minutes later, I’m talking with everybody, man, what an amazing workout.
01:18:10:14 – 01:18:23:04
Nathan Crane
That was great. That was so awesome that, you know, they’re like, Oh, that was so hard and terrible. I’m like, Wow, what a terribly awesome workout. And they’re just like, Man, it’s a difference in perspective. It’s a difference in perspective.
01:18:23:07 – 01:18:31:20
Dr. William Pawluk
I totally agree. You’re not going to get to disagree disagree with me on that. The key is that magnetic field therapy can increase your tolerance.
01:18:32:08 – 01:18:36:05
Nathan Crane
Interesting. Well, I need that and I. Yeah, mortality.
01:18:36:06 – 01:18:40:17
Dr. William Pawluk
Increase. Your tolerance may increase your tolerance. A point of tissue damage.
01:18:42:03 – 01:18:42:21
Nathan Crane
Meaning what?
01:18:44:04 – 01:19:01:19
Dr. William Pawluk
So that was you may. You may do more activity. I’ll give you an example. I had a hockey goalie who lost his college scholarship due to a groin injury. He traded in conventional physical therapy for two years, didn’t get very good results. We got him a portable PMF system like the one that I use on my wife for her toe.
01:19:02:06 – 01:19:27:20
Dr. William Pawluk
And the one that I would recommend for you now was your flexibles. So he used that. He got it. You use it 24 seven for about two weeks, completely gone. I said, Ha, I’m ready. He went back and he dove right into exercise like crazy to make up for all of lost time, and he reinjured himself worse than he was before he started the magnetic therapy.
01:19:28:12 – 01:19:29:16
Nathan Crane
So you gotta be careful in.
01:19:30:11 – 01:19:47:18
Dr. William Pawluk
So just because you feel that you’re broke your tissues to tell you we’re okay. But once you start hearing that wonderful thing about magnetic therapy, it’s not a matter of perception that’s important, too, but it’s a matter what’s going on in the tissues and the other way you find out what’s going on in the tissues is the stress, the tissue.
01:19:48:08 – 01:20:09:17
Dr. William Pawluk
Right. We talked about that. So what happens then is that magnetic therapy may allow you to do more than you should. And I see this routinely. People go back out and they reenter and they’ve gone to too much, too much, too fast, too. So. Hmm. So we have to understand physiology and how the healing process and physiology happens and what time lines it takes.
01:20:09:24 – 01:20:35:15
Dr. William Pawluk
Ligaments downhill, as well as bone skin heals much better. Muscle heals much better. Brain and nerve cells take a lot longer to heal. So I call that healing timeline on my website. In education, we have a healing timeline and it’ll tell you what different tissues do and how long different tissues take to heal. Nerves are pretty bad at healing.
01:20:35:15 – 01:20:49:02
Nathan Crane
So I’m looking at the flex pulse says three hertz, up to a thousand hertz. So for three or four, I’m sorry. Yeah. Frequency. So is that what I use? A thousand hertz.
01:20:49:02 – 01:20:53:08
Dr. William Pawluk
No, you just use that intensity ten.
01:20:54:04 – 01:20:55:17
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Tenths is as program.
01:20:55:17 – 01:20:56:19
Dr. William Pawluk
Ten intensity.
01:20:57:00 – 01:21:00:01
Nathan Crane
Is as program ten is 1000.
01:21:00:01 – 01:21:16:22
Dr. William Pawluk
So don’t worry about Hertz. Again, we are not talking about frequency, we’re talking about intensity. So the intensity that works best at the pulse rate that you have is about ten hertz. So that’s program three.
01:21:18:18 – 01:21:20:22
Nathan Crane
Alpha Brainwave Frequency Band.
01:21:22:05 – 01:21:28:02
Dr. William Pawluk
That’s when you’re training the brain or how the neurologic, the nervous system reacts to that particular pulse rate.
01:21:28:17 – 01:21:34:06
Nathan Crane
So no matter what the pulse rate is of the Hertz, it’s still putting out 200 Gauss.
01:21:35:03 – 01:21:56:07
Dr. William Pawluk
Pretty well, more or less. But the higher the frequency goes, the lower the pulse rate because they take so much time for the electronics to stick to produce the magnetic field intensity. And if it takes 10 seconds to go to zero to the max, but you’re pulsing at a rate that’s faster than 10 seconds, then it’s not going to reach the maximum intensity.
01:21:57:23 – 01:22:14:17
Dr. William Pawluk
So there’s a tradeoff between frequency and intensity. So I usually recommend program for musculoskeletal problems, program three or program nine most of the time, program three. And that you do that at the maximum intensity enough.
01:22:14:22 – 01:22:18:16
Nathan Crane
To do it. That would be good for bone, bone, tendon, ligaments, muscles.
01:22:18:16 – 01:22:20:09
Dr. William Pawluk
Muscles, ligaments, tendons. Yes.
01:22:21:01 – 01:22:35:22
Nathan Crane
Is this your website? Yes. Flexible scheme. Okay. Okay. So three. So program three. Yeah, I got to find it. I know I have one somewhere. I don’t know where it’s at though. We moved in last couple of years and I have no idea things.
01:22:35:22 – 01:22:38:12
Dr. William Pawluk
Get lost. And it’s a small chance, but it’s easy enough to.
01:22:38:12 – 01:22:53:13
Nathan Crane
I have an idea of where it’s at though, but, um, hopefully I can find it. So this device can help with basically everything we’ve been talking about is are you saying.
01:22:55:08 – 01:22:59:01
Dr. William Pawluk
2.200 depends on the depth of the problem so that the brain.
01:22:59:04 – 01:22:59:07
Nathan Crane
Is.
01:23:01:11 – 01:23:11:19
Dr. William Pawluk
Because if your maximum magnetic field is 200 gauss, then your field is going to drop down to let’s say 200 Gauss will drop down to about 15. Gauss about an inch.
01:23:12:17 – 01:23:20:11
Nathan Crane
Mm. Just because you lose 75% in the first centimeter. Yeah. Now is that still beneficial though.
01:23:20:11 – 01:23:36:15
Dr. William Pawluk
I, yes. I mean it’s better than zero, right? It’s not optimal. And if it’s not optimal, then often it just takes more treatment time. So if you have the right intensity or more, then you’re going to get the results better, faster.
01:23:37:11 – 01:23:51:18
Nathan Crane
So if I have a bicep tendon, which is ten to gnosis, which is inflamed, it’s pretty I mean that tendons, I mean I can fill it right with my fingers. It’s not very deep, it’s probably an inch deep.
01:23:51:21 – 01:23:53:19
Dr. William Pawluk
Then the Flexbox would be adequate for that.
01:23:53:19 – 01:23:55:04
Nathan Crane
That would be a good too if you.
01:23:55:04 – 01:24:11:20
Dr. William Pawluk
Had a let’s say arthritis in the shoulder joint that’s like that deep into the end of the joint. Then you need to calculate for the magnetic field that’s probably not going to be strong enough or adequate. So you need something stronger, but you need a thousand gauss.
01:24:12:00 – 01:24:16:18
Nathan Crane
So you’re trying to get to 200 gauss at the tissue site.
01:24:17:10 – 01:24:20:00
Dr. William Pawluk
At the tissue site, well, 15 gauss at the tissue.
01:24:20:00 – 01:24:25:19
Nathan Crane
Site, oh five at least 15 Gauss. It’s interesting because that’s what was shown to increase the adenosine inflammation.
01:24:25:20 – 01:24:26:18
Dr. William Pawluk
The best. Yes.
01:24:26:22 – 01:25:01:19
Nathan Crane
Gotcha. Okay. Interesting. So Payne talked about inflammation, talked about the difference between PMS and EMFs. We talk about trying to reduce our EMF exposure. We talked a lot of, um, I mean even understand I actually didn’t know that about acupuncture meridians and how you can measure the basically electromagnetic, you know, charge of the meridian.
01:25:02:09 – 01:25:03:15
Dr. William Pawluk
Electro charge, primary.
01:25:03:21 – 01:25:32:16
Nathan Crane
Electrical charge in the vortex that it creates. And now that makes so much more sense of why if you put a needle there or a magnet there or whatever, it stimulates that energetic pathway, which increases the body’s natural, basically healing and regenerative properties. I find that really fascinating. I mean, but you said magnets. Magnets work, but you found they don’t work as well as PMF.
01:25:32:16 – 01:25:33:08
Nathan Crane
So Zoe said.
01:25:34:05 – 01:25:59:19
Dr. William Pawluk
Correct, largely because a PMF field is dynamic. It’s moving in or out of the tissues. And because it’s doing that, there’s a lot more going on, a lot more activation in the body. If you have a magnet and you put a magnet, let’s see it put let’s put a magnet on the skin. It’s stationary. So essentially because it’s electromagnetic, the magnetic interacts with the electrical.
01:26:00:09 – 01:26:44:08
Dr. William Pawluk
Then basically you have to do is you have to move something against the magnetic field. And in this case, it’s the circulation or the nerve traffic and the nerves are conducting there’s a submarine’s use that principle to generate electricity for their batteries it’s called magneto hydrodynamics so they have magnets in their hulls as the seawater passes across the magnets, it stimulates charge so the magnet stationary, but the seawater is moving and so it creates the current and that charges the batteries of the submarine.
01:26:44:08 – 01:26:56:07
Dr. William Pawluk
And so our bodies are doing basically the same thing. We put a static magnet on top this this magnets not moving, but something’s got to be moving relative to the magnet to get the most benefit or the most effect from it.
01:26:56:07 – 01:27:22:04
Nathan Crane
So, I mean, this is just a crazy theory. Could somebody I mean, there’s people who claim to be breath Aryans, right? Who don’t eat anything and live. I, I haven’t met anyone personally, but in yogic traditions and in India. And also there’s even some people here in the United States who claim to be but there in who only drink water or like some juice once in a while or something like that.
01:27:22:04 – 01:27:45:23
Nathan Crane
So I’m not sure that would be 100% breath, Erin, but is that I’m just theorizing is that even possible to be, you know, to get all of your energetic needs from sources, other than food and like because this is showing pulsed electromagnetic frequency is increasing stem cells, is increasing ATP production, which is what we really need food for.
01:27:45:23 – 01:27:49:02
Nathan Crane
I mean, right. Is is ATP for the most part.
01:27:51:00 – 01:28:00:15
Dr. William Pawluk
So breath their hands are relying on when you starve when you actually decide to starve when you go on a starvation diet.
01:28:00:15 – 01:28:06:18
Nathan Crane
And we’re not recommending this anybody, by the way, don’t take it the wrong way. It’s just this is just a philosophical conversation. I’m just curious.
01:28:07:08 – 01:28:46:08
Dr. William Pawluk
How people who have stopped eating and are on strike for something or other. Right. And so they stop any usually within 2 to 3 weeks, they’ll die and usually it’s because the body’s breaking down heart muscle or fuel. So and that’s under a normal metabolic rate. So breath air ends because we know about yogis, they get buried in the ground, they drop their heart rate, they drop their metabolic rates, they drop everything down and they get buried for a week or two weeks and they get dug up.
01:28:46:08 – 01:29:11:20
Dr. William Pawluk
When they’re dug up, they they don’t go back like that. They have to gradually reinvigorate their tissues themselves. So what happens is cells that are under starvation to find other ways of getting energy. So this is what happens with bears hibernation, other animals, they go into hibernation, they slow down their metabolic rate tremendously and live off whatever they’ve stored.
01:29:11:20 – 01:29:13:13
Dr. William Pawluk
Basically with the hibernation fat.
01:29:13:13 – 01:29:15:14
Nathan Crane
They’re basically living off of fat, I would imagine.
01:29:15:14 – 01:29:20:19
Dr. William Pawluk
Primarily fat, but also protein also breaking down muscle and and and mostly muscle.
01:29:20:24 – 01:29:21:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Yeah.
01:29:23:05 – 01:29:25:02
Dr. William Pawluk
And if they did it long enough, they would die.
01:29:25:20 – 01:29:36:18
Nathan Crane
Right? Yeah. Because the liver will convert the, the muscle tissue into glucose which is needed for the brain. I mean it’ll, it’ll convert enough to keep your brain alive basically.
01:29:37:13 – 01:30:06:06
Dr. William Pawluk
But we go into, we go into anaerobic metabolism. Yeah. So tissues have their natural reactions to go switch over to anaerobic metabolism, but it’s still metabolism. You still need the energy, the fuel to keep ourselves functioning. So you so we know that with animals, if you you drown in cold water, you should not stop resuscitating somebody until they revive, because that’s called a dove reflex.
01:30:06:20 – 01:30:31:02
Dr. William Pawluk
The body goes into a hibernation mode, a low energy conservation mode. And as you like, those yogis, you have to really activate the body to be able to go back to normal metabolism. So the body has these mechanisms, the capabilities of doing some of that to varying degrees.
01:30:31:02 – 01:30:37:10
Nathan Crane
Interesting. Have you ever met a breath? They’re in true breath.
01:30:37:10 – 01:30:39:10
Dr. William Pawluk
They’re not that I know of.
01:30:41:04 – 01:30:49:09
Nathan Crane
I know people who claim they are and teach workshops and stuff. But, you know, I don’t know. People claim a lot of things they do.
01:30:49:09 – 01:30:58:06
Dr. William Pawluk
And I think it’s possible. I don’t know how active they are. I don’t know how how well their brains are working.
01:30:58:06 – 01:31:08:13
Nathan Crane
Okay. So that was a little out of left field, but I thought it was worth talking about. So anything else you think we should cover about PMS that people need to know that we haven’t covered already?
01:31:09:24 – 01:31:26:05
Dr. William Pawluk
Well, I have two books, so the first book I mentioned to you was Power Tools for Health, which has 500 references. So somebody wants the science wants to geek out on the science. That book has a science of support, magnetic field therapy and all the different ways it works. If you just want advice on how to use magnetic field therapy.
01:31:26:11 – 01:31:47:22
Dr. William Pawluk
And my other book is called Power Supercharge Your Health with power, but with magnetic field therapy. So Supercharge Your Health. And that’s a that’s a how to book and how to use magnetic fields and we cover all the actions of magnetic fields in that book, and we review the treatment protocols for about 80 different health conditions among which is cancer.
01:31:47:22 – 01:32:13:14
Dr. William Pawluk
And so cancer is a big area of interest. And I’ve written an e-book on maps of cancer. Magnetic fields do so much at a basic level in the body, basic cellular level, they’re basically used for useful for almost all health conditions forever to sell. It needs it needs the energy and that needs energy. Magnetic fields help the body to get it, to make it and to use it.
01:32:13:14 – 01:32:34:15
Dr. William Pawluk
Right. So it almost doesn’t really matter what you what you use it for. It’s going to be helpful for almost everything, but especially is helpful for cancer because as a preventative because we know now that most cancers when they’re caught have already produced stem cells by the time they’re discovered. And then basically it’s not a matter of treating the cancer at that moment.
01:32:34:15 – 01:32:54:15
Dr. William Pawluk
It’s a matter of preventing recurrences, because the recurrences are typically what’s going to kill you and not the not the cancer at the moment. And so people decrease inflammation in the body for the rest of your life. We’re talking about the rest of your life. You decrease inflammation, those those stem cells around in those bones don’t wake up.
01:32:54:15 – 01:33:01:08
Dr. William Pawluk
And to do that, you have to have your own system and it’s got to be strong enough.
01:33:01:08 – 01:33:06:18
Nathan Crane
And so do you use p f device yourself every day? Like how often what.
01:33:06:24 – 01:33:07:11
Dr. William Pawluk
I do that.
01:33:07:11 – 01:33:08:01
Nathan Crane
Gauss.
01:33:09:18 – 01:33:16:18
Dr. William Pawluk
I use it for one particular purpose. I don’t have any major issues either. I guess then maybe getting older.
01:33:17:22 – 01:33:21:09
Nathan Crane
I don’t know. You see, you still look pretty good for 122, you know.
01:33:21:14 – 01:33:26:14
Dr. William Pawluk
I don’t, I do don’t. I? Now you’re around, you’re rounding me up.
01:33:27:03 – 01:33:27:13
Nathan Crane
A little bit.
01:33:27:13 – 01:33:47:16
Dr. William Pawluk
I’m not ready to round up to that level. So I use it every day. I use it all night long. I have a pad that I put on my bed because I have had a couple of bouts of diverticulitis. I have a metal clip in my gut, my belly, and that causes some havoc in the body. And I had a history of IBS.
01:33:48:14 – 01:33:57:01
Dr. William Pawluk
I removed gluten dairy and eggs from my diet that set all that down. So I do it every night, all night, every night.
01:33:57:17 – 01:33:58:11
Nathan Crane
And what goes.
01:34:00:12 – 01:34:04:02
Dr. William Pawluk
That one happens to be about 200 gauss.
01:34:04:14 – 01:34:07:03
Nathan Crane
And you and that’s just a pad full body pad that you lay.
01:34:07:03 – 01:34:09:19
Dr. William Pawluk
On put it basically on my on my belly.
01:34:10:07 – 01:34:10:23
Nathan Crane
Mm mm.
01:34:11:15 – 01:34:25:14
Dr. William Pawluk
And then we’re coming out with our own machine that’s going to be stronger is going to be about 1500 gauss. So it’s going to do a much better job in the belly. So if you’re interested in that, get on our newsletter and we’ll let people know when it’s available, should be available probably the next month or two.
01:34:25:23 – 01:34:29:02
Nathan Crane
Where can people how can people get on your newsletter? Well, what’s the website?
01:34:29:03 – 01:34:33:06
Dr. William Pawluk
Doctor Polycom. So DARPA Outlook.com.
01:34:34:01 – 01:34:34:08
Nathan Crane
Tool.
01:34:35:11 – 01:34:54:00
Dr. William Pawluk
And then I also use a sleep machine, so I use the flex pulse essentially to sleep all night. And we have recently introduced a new device for sleep called the X Pulsar, which is just for sleep. And you use that in your pillow inside the pillow cover on top of the pillow and run all night long. It’s three hertz.
01:34:54:12 – 01:34:58:08
Dr. William Pawluk
It’s Delta.
01:34:58:08 – 01:35:06:21
Nathan Crane
So if I were using this on my knee while I’m sleeping, would it be better to have it at three hertz then or still? I don’t think it matters. Ten hertz doesn’t.
01:35:07:02 – 01:35:08:13
Dr. William Pawluk
Matter. But three hertz would work too.
01:35:09:08 – 01:35:22:14
Nathan Crane
Okay, you’re still getting the 200 gauss. It’s just that the Hertz is the it’s not the intensity. It’s the the explain the difference in Hertz when we’re talking with again electromagnetic sorry because it’s coming.
01:35:23:05 – 01:35:33:14
Dr. William Pawluk
When we’re using when we’re using in this case we are using frequency but we’re combining the frequency with intensity. Mm. The brain operates in different frequency ranges. It oscillates. Right.
01:35:33:23 – 01:35:37:03
Nathan Crane
You have alpha, you have beta have theta, you have delta.
01:35:37:08 – 01:35:42:10
Dr. William Pawluk
Delta and you’re sleeping at night. You want to be in Delta because Delta has the most restorative sleep.
01:35:42:17 – 01:35:42:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
01:35:43:17 – 01:36:05:22
Dr. William Pawluk
But you need to have a strong enough magnetic field to go deep into the brain to really capture the brainwaves. So think of it this way. If I’m whispering in your ear, you can go a and not even hear me. I’m having a conversation with you. It’s hard to ignore me, but you can to some extent. But if I’m yelling in your ear, you can’t ignore that at all.
01:36:06:09 – 01:36:34:16
Dr. William Pawluk
So that’s capturing the brainwaves is basically your brain is listening. So when you have a medium level magnetic field on top of your pillow, you’re going to hear the clicking. So we call that audio magnetic entrainment. You’re hearing it, it’s training the brain to slow down and to go into that frequency. So you’re getting the benefits of the magnetic field at the same time that you’re getting the benefits of frequency modulation.
01:36:34:16 – 01:36:42:18
Dr. William Pawluk
That’s when you do combine the two. And that’s the only time I tend to combine the frequency with the intensity toward the brain.
01:36:42:18 – 01:36:54:18
Nathan Crane
So when the frequency range says 3 to 1000 hertz on these devices, how is that different than than the Gauss?
01:36:54:18 – 01:36:57:19
Dr. William Pawluk
It’s not Gauss at all. Not intensity. It’s just that pulse rate.
01:36:58:02 – 01:37:01:10
Nathan Crane
The pulse rate. So it’s the rate at which.
01:37:01:20 – 01:37:03:02
Dr. William Pawluk
The magnetic field pulses.
01:37:03:08 – 01:37:14:24
Nathan Crane
Okay. So that’s why it’s measuring Hertz. It’s just the rate at the pulse. Okay. The pulse rate, I’m telling you. All right. That makes more sense now. Yeah, I think you explained that earlier. I was just still not totally clear in my mind.
01:37:15:00 – 01:37:25:08
Dr. William Pawluk
Well, I’m sure, I’m sure. I’m sure that you are not the only one I’ll be watching. It’s still going to be a matter of confusion about those two. Or hopefully we clarified it somewhat.
01:37:25:16 – 01:37:49:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah, clear for me now. So if people have if you guys tune in and have other that we didn’t cover, put them in the comments section below and then we can bring Dr. Pollack back on in the future and, answer more questions. So, um, I think, I think it’s a good place to end though and get your website.
01:37:50:00 – 01:37:54:16
Dr. William Pawluk
I bet so. Dr. Brand was stayed awake while we were talking. That’s great.
01:37:55:15 – 01:38:14:19
Nathan Crane
I’m literally going to go try and find that device right now. If not, I’m going to I’m going to call you because I know. Yes, yeah. Yeah. Awesome, man. I appreciate you. Thanks for coming on. Your books are available on your website or on Amazon. Where can people get your books? Both yeah. And Dr. Pollack dot com.
01:38:15:06 – 01:38:22:01
Dr. William Pawluk
Dot com. And Dr. Popcom has a huge amount of information. So if you want to if you want to drown, go ahead.
01:38:22:20 – 01:38:37:09
Nathan Crane
Sorry. I’ve actually looked through a ton of articles on your site because you always have the reference to the to the research. That’s where I’ve done quite a bit of research over the years. So appreciate you having those resources for people and appreciate you coming on as was a great conversation. So thank you so much.
01:38:38:06 – 01:38:42:11
Dr. William Pawluk
My pleasure. Thanks again for having me on. And I’ll see you in a few weeks.
01:38:42:11 – 01:38:44:03
Nathan Crane
Yeah, absolutely. Looking forward to it.