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(This transcript was auto-generated so there may be some errors) 00:00:00:00 – 00:00:29:09 Nathan Crane Everybody, welcome back to the podcast. Today I am joined by Dr. Toni Galardi, who is a union trained psychotherapist and an executive coach. She’s an evolutionary medical astrologer and author of The Life Quake Phenomenon. Also, her new book that has just come out is called Breast Quake. And she shares her journey through breast cancer and what she has done to help heal herself. 00:00:29:13 – 00:00:33:02 Nathan Crane And excited, Toni, to have you here on a podcast. Thanks for coming on. 00:00:34:03 – 00:00:37:18 Dr. Toni Galardi All right. You’re one of my heroes. And so it’s an honor to be here. 00:00:38:09 – 00:00:43:17 Nathan Crane Oh, that’s that’s really humbling to hear. Why do you say that? In what way? What do you do? 00:00:43:22 – 00:01:08:10 Dr. Toni Galardi I’ll tell you why. Well, I mentioned you three times in my book because when I was originally diagnosed, I started to do an immersion in research because the turning point was in the breast cancer surgeon’s office when she said she looked at the scans and she was looking at them for the first time after the biopsy, and she said, Oh, my gosh. 00:01:08:10 – 00:01:14:22 Dr. Toni Galardi And I thought, oh, you know, she’s seeing something that’s really bad, right? She said, Your tumor is in the shape of a heart. 00:01:15:07 – 00:01:15:18 Nathan Crane Hmm. 00:01:16:00 – 00:01:38:22 Dr. Toni Galardi And one of my girlfriends who came with me said a cracked heart. She was looking at it because there was a, you know, line down the middle. And she said, well, that’s because two tumors merged into one and I knew that because it’s in the left upper quadrant of my left breast, that this was emotional and I knew that I needed to find answers. 00:01:38:22 – 00:01:57:08 Dr. Toni Galardi And so one of the things I did was immerse myself in your your your summit and your holistic. Tell us some which were a lifesaver, you know, because it helped me to understand I had gone to Optimum Health Institute at age 30 when I had Epstein-Barr inside. 00:01:57:22 – 00:01:59:01 Nathan Crane And the one in San Diego. 00:02:00:07 – 00:02:27:00 Dr. Toni Galardi Which is like the, you know, your hypocrisies in Florida. And so I knew I saw people with advanced stages of cancer kill themselves with enough detoxification. And the fact that they took on the mental, emotional, spiritual and physical I knew I needed to kind of adopt that model. And because I’m a psychotherapist, I knew there was emotional trauma that was connected to this tumor. 00:02:27:09 – 00:02:52:06 Dr. Toni Galardi I had lost both of my parents six months apart, a few years before I had moved across country from California to Asheville. I broke up with in a five year relationship, we were engaged. So it was boom, boom, boom, change after change after change and not enough time to process the emotional trauma. So there was so I started gathering because I’m a researcher and I’ve had the path of the wounded healer. 00:02:52:06 – 00:03:22:13 Dr. Toni Galardi I’ve almost died three times, you know, over the course of my adult life. Yeah. I’ve had that initiation, the shamanic initiation and everything that ever happened to me. I turned around and helped other people. So I knew that when this went that the way I was going to heal breast cancer, it needed to be a way that other people could adopt because there are plenty of people who can’t go and spend the money at Optimum Health or a cancer clinic, you know, because they’re expensive. 00:03:22:14 – 00:03:46:20 Dr. Toni Galardi You know, I looked into them 30,000 a month, you know, so I started looking at end the traditional. And I, I just want to quote this the Journal of American Medical Association in February of this year. Here’s this traditional journal saying that women are paying more for breast cancer treatment and they’re concerned about this. They’re obviously talking about traditional treatment. 00:03:47:06 – 00:04:11:18 Dr. Toni Galardi Women are paying more for for breast cancer treatment than colorectal, lung and prostate cancer combined. Okay. So if that’s happening in the traditional world where, you know, people have $10,000 deductibles and whatnot, I thought I’ve got to find a way to heal me because my thing is helping others. It’s everything I’ve ever, ever gotten, you know, physically I’ve gone on to help others. 00:04:11:18 – 00:04:36:02 Dr. Toni Galardi So I said, I’ve got to find a way to biohacking this. So that I so that people can do this at home. And so when I heard, you know, there are things that you said and people you interviewed that you can’t find on the Internet. So people like you are doing this amazing service. And that’s why I mentioned you three different times in my book of things that you had said that I took with me. 00:04:36:02 – 00:05:05:02 Dr. Toni Galardi For example, I started doing Vitamin C, IVs. I did exactly. I did a bunch of things and things that were the ACA catches a dollar a day, you know, and this company that I adore, these people, you know, they have a company called SCA, a genuine SCA, and they will, if you do their program 33 times a day on an empty stomach, three ounces of their their tea, you make it the way they tell you to make you drink it three times a day for six months. 00:05:05:02 – 00:05:10:04 Dr. Toni Galardi If you don’t reverse cancer, they give you your money back. So it was like that. 00:05:10:04 – 00:05:23:02 Nathan Crane And holy cow. That’s amazing. I mean, one, it’s amazing that they’re they’re able to, you know, I mean, they’re not making they’re not making a claim. Right? I mean, are they guaranteeing it or they’re just saying, we’ll give you your money back. 00:05:23:15 – 00:05:24:09 Dr. Toni Galardi If it doesn’t. 00:05:24:13 – 00:05:35:01 Nathan Crane If it if it doesn’t work, which is which is awesome to do. Right. I mean, that’s going to draw a lot of attention to them. Unfortunately, a lot of negative attention. 00:05:35:16 – 00:05:36:07 Dr. Toni Galardi So something. 00:05:36:07 – 00:05:36:18 Nathan Crane Pretty cool. 00:05:37:17 – 00:06:01:14 Dr. Toni Galardi Something you said and you were interviewing a doctor and you said you were talking about a story of a woman who had been doing holistic treatment, but then at the last minute, like she got convinced into having surgery, you know, she had like a centimeter left or something like that pressured into having the surgery. And when they opened her up, it was necrotic tissue. 00:06:01:18 – 00:06:03:03 Nathan Crane Right, exactly. 00:06:03:03 – 00:06:21:03 Dr. Toni Galardi So I went on and I look this up, I have it, I have it in my book, actually. So things I got from you then I was able to go on and do the research. If you don’t know where to go, you won’t find them on the Internet. And that’s it. Yeah. So your summits are so invaluable for this kind of thing. 00:06:21:03 – 00:06:42:18 Dr. Toni Galardi So what I did was I found the substantiation. There is a radiologist in Oslo who was saying, we can’t tell in some tumors. We can’t tell the difference between dead cancer cells and live ones, which is and I asked my breast cancer surgery and I had to go in because she thinks I’m a pain in the ass. I mean, I’m I mean, nothing to her, right? 00:06:42:18 – 00:07:04:06 Dr. Toni Galardi Because I have surgery, but I have to come back and I have one year, you know, every year I have to go and see her and I talk to her, you know, doing a mammogram with an eye contrast instead of the MRI with the, you know, the the black dye. So anyway, she I asked her, I said, is it true that you can’t tell the difference after you do radiation? 00:07:04:15 – 00:07:27:03 Dr. Toni Galardi You know? And she said, yeah, that’s why we we wait, you know, because it takes time for the body to clear the dead tissue. Well, vitamin C, for example, high dose intravenous vitamin C has the same kind of effect. It’s oxygenating not just the tumor, but every cancer cell in your body that might you might not know about. 00:07:27:04 – 00:07:27:14 Dr. Toni Galardi Right. 00:07:27:14 – 00:07:57:16 Nathan Crane Exactly. Yeah. The vitamin C is is a prerequisite for hydrogen peroxide. And so the more vitamin C you have, the more hydrogen peroxide your body makes. And hydrogen peroxide, is it literally kills cancer cells. So, you know, that’s the theory behind why high dose vitamin C works so well against cancer is because it’s producing so much hydrogen peroxide naturally inside your body, which is, as we’re talking about, you know, highly oxygenating the environment around the cells. 00:07:57:16 – 00:08:28:09 Nathan Crane And we know cancer cells can’t live in a highly oxygenated environment. They, you know, they require an anaerobic environment lacking oxygen. So, yeah, it is interesting that we have these natural solutions for basically the similar mechanisms of action that conventional therapies or chemotherapies, radiation, etc. does to the cancer cell. But in this case, high dose vitamin C is not damaging the healthy cells. 00:08:28:10 – 00:08:57:21 Nathan Crane That’s that’s the really cool thing. But we also have to be super careful because these giant social media companies will take this information and and and, as you said, prevent it from getting out to the public. YouTube now is actually going against going out and and seeking cancer content and and de-platforming and removing it from YouTube. Yeah. Even if it’s based in evidence, just like they did for COVID. 00:08:57:21 – 00:09:15:23 Nathan Crane So I’m like, I don’t know what’s going to happen with my YouTube channel at this point, you know? But everything we share is, is either like your case, you’re sharing your story and what you did and how you healed. And everything that we share and talk about is evidence based. I mean, it’s in the journal, everything, literature, evidence. 00:09:16:23 – 00:09:41:24 Dr. Toni Galardi Everything I did is evidence based. So the Riordan protocol, you can find if you know where to go by, you know, by googling Riordan word and protocol because he has one of the few people who could get the the money to do a formal, you know, evidence based clinical trial. You know, who pays for clinical trials? 00:09:41:24 – 00:10:05:19 Dr. Toni Galardi Mostly pharmaceutical companies, right? So getting the money to be able to show efficacy is not easy. But he has 50 years of advocacy behind his protocol, you know, and now his son has taken on that that work as well. But there is there’s too much trauma. And so I only did things that I knew could because I didn’t want to be taken down, you know. 00:10:06:00 – 00:10:27:11 Dr. Toni Galardi But I so I did things that have evidence based. SC Actually 100 years of data on since the twenties. So the things that I did all are evidence based. Then there were the things I got into because I’m a career coach that have to do with occupational risk and that I didn’t see in any book that I read on alternative treatment of breast cancer. 00:10:27:11 – 00:10:57:06 Dr. Toni Galardi You know, no one is, but because this is my passion is helping people get aligned. You know, I came out of addiction treatment and one of the things I brought to addiction treatment consulting was having people look at what can drive addiction when when someone is not doing something, they’re passionate about and that when you include that, you know, in residential treatment where someone gets to look at like, what am I really what do I want to do with my life that makes my life thrive? 00:10:57:06 – 00:11:12:06 Dr. Toni Galardi So I started looking at that and there are actual occupations that are tied that puts you more at risk than any other occupation for breast cancer. And so I have that in my book as well. 00:11:12:06 – 00:11:30:06 Nathan Crane Well, number one, thank you for sharing that with me. I’m so glad that the you know, the work that I and my team have been able to do supported you in your healing journey like that. I just I love hearing stories like yours because it makes me, you know, so fulfilled to to continue doing this work because it’s not easy. 00:11:30:06 – 00:11:52:14 Nathan Crane It’s not easy that, you know, it’s like we get attacked, we get deplatformed, we get censored. We have people calling us quacks and fakes and whatever. Right. And it’s like your story is amazing and incredible. And I’ve heard a lot of stories like that. They, you know, follow information, follow our coaching Archer docu series, you know, read my books, etc., etc., make the chain. 00:11:52:14 – 00:12:07:18 Nathan Crane It’s not me who’s doing it right. It’s you. It’s it’s the patients is the clients. It’s the people who say, Yeah, this all make sense to me. I’m making the changes in my life. I’m changing my diet, I’m implementing these protocols. I’m going to reduce my stress. I’m going to heal my emotional trauma, I’m going to do sauna, etc., etc.. 00:12:08:01 – 00:12:31:13 Nathan Crane And then, you know, I hear I got an email not too long ago from from a woman who said, you know, my my cancer is regressing. I’ve been following everything you’ve been teaching for the past year. And my latest scan actually shows my cancer is regressing. So it’s intentional what you’ve done. And it’s cool that you’re, you know, you’ve put this in to information that you can share with others. 00:12:31:13 – 00:12:59:05 Nathan Crane And I want to get more into your specific protocols in this podcast. I have some other questions for you though, in the meantime, but one just thank you for sharing that. It truly, truly touches my heart to hear it and to see you. You know where you’re at, thriving now, able to take what could have been a devastating, you know, life destroying diagnosis and turn it into something positive and meaningful to then go out and help others. 00:12:59:05 – 00:13:01:08 Nathan Crane And it’s changed your life for the better, obviously. 00:13:02:10 – 00:13:22:17 Dr. Toni Galardi And to be able to glow during in the in the in the in the middle of breast cancer, I took pictures. I had people take pictures that I put in the book of what you can look like in the middle of breast cancer treatment. I was originally diagnosed at stage two invasive ductal carcinoma, and in the middle of my treatment halfway through, I am my face is clean. 00:13:22:17 – 00:13:33:23 Dr. Toni Galardi I thought I was in really good health. I organic non gluten non alcohol diet you name it but man detoxing what that does, it’s the best cosmetic in the world. 00:13:35:02 – 00:14:00:00 Nathan Crane Yeah 100%. I just shared my detox protocol with a friend yesterday. He’s like, Hey, do you know anything about heavy metals? I’m like, Yeah, I’m researching heavy metals and detoxing and sharing that for like 15 years with people. And so I sent in some info yesterday. I’ve got like a daily detox protocol that I recommend that kind of hits heavy metals fungus, parasites, candida, etc. It is something you can do. 00:14:00:00 – 00:14:25:11 Nathan Crane Morning, evening. Each day. Keep it simple, but detox is critical with how many toxins we’re exposed to today and I want to go back I want to share a little bit since we glossed over that story, because I think I mean, that story touched me in such a profound way as well. The story that I shared in our documentary series, The Missing Link that you’re talking about of the woman who she was, she I don’t remember what stage she was. 00:14:25:11 – 00:14:48:11 Nathan Crane I think she was like stage four of stage four. She had a pretty big breast cancer tumor there, you know, and but she was doing everything natural. She was following the holistic protocols. She was you know, the tumor basically had stopped growing. And it was for quite a while she had changed her diet and she was doing emotional healing and she was doing a whole bunch of a holistic approach. 00:14:48:22 – 00:15:11:16 Nathan Crane And the tumor stopped growing. But she was told by, I think it was a family members or somebody had convinced her and said, look, that’s it’s going to kill you. You have to get that out of you. Now, even though she’d been doing this protocol following her integrative doctors guidance, you know, it didn’t she didn’t have many symptoms from it. 00:15:11:16 – 00:15:33:13 Nathan Crane It wasn’t impeding in her life in any way. It wasn’t, you know, it was just the fear. It was just the fear of someone in your ear. And this is something people can take a lot away from, is we have to learn how to differentiate between somebody else’s fear projecting on us and what our own intuition is telling us. 00:15:33:13 – 00:15:56:10 Nathan Crane And her intuition told her, go holistic, go natural. That was her choice. And and, you know, results, if you stop the progression of a tumor, that’s results. It’s not growing anymore. Like, that’s amazing that that alone should tell you, hey, what I’m doing is working, but someone’s in her ear putting all this fear in her. So she so she goes in and ends up getting I think it was so large. 00:15:56:10 – 00:16:16:05 Nathan Crane I don’t even think I don’t not sure if it was just a lumpectomy, but actually actually had her breast completely removed. That’s what it was. She had her breast removed because it was, I believe, metastasized. I think it was like I think it was stage three or stage four. And then when they looked in open up the tumor, it was all dead. 00:16:16:22 – 00:16:36:16 Nathan Crane The tumor was completely dead. The body was just processing those dead cells. And that can take a long time. I can take a long time for your body to get rid of that. Well, now, here she is. She has no more breasts. Her breasts don’t she can’t do anything about that. Right? Like you can’t put a breast back on once it’s gone. 00:16:37:05 – 00:17:14:17 Nathan Crane And you know, to me, that was so eye opening and so shocking. It’s like, you know, sometimes you got to trust your intuition. Sometimes you got to trust what you feel is the right thing to do and just shut out all the outside noise of other people’s fears projecting onto you. That certainly was the case. I mean, if she would have and I talked about this with the doctor who was treating her, and he agreed that if she would have just kept doing what she was doing and let her body process that that tissue on its own in months, maybe a couple of years, you don’t know the time length, but most likely the body 00:17:14:17 – 00:17:27:01 Nathan Crane would have removed all those dead cells itself. That tumor would have completely dissolved and the body would have taken care of it, and she would have never had to remove her breast. But, you know, that’s that’s the power of fear. 00:17:28:07 – 00:17:45:24 Dr. Toni Galardi That’s why I call it a breast quake. And of what I think of a breast quake is the awakening into your own inner wisdom and being willing to listen to what is your gut. And I, as a therapist, I work with this all the time, and I have exercises in this book about how to strengthen like a muscle. 00:17:45:24 – 00:18:05:10 Dr. Toni Galardi Your intuition to hear, to listen to your own guidance. For example, when they did the biopsy, she wanted to immediately do an MRI. And I asked, Can we wait on this? And it was a slow growing tumor. You know, that’s another thing to ask. That question is, do I have time? And that’s what I asked her. Do I have time? 00:18:05:20 – 00:18:24:07 Dr. Toni Galardi People don’t ask that kind of question. They hear cancer and they go passive. Just tell me what to do, doc. Just tell me what to do. And so I said, I have time. I said, okay, I would rather wait on the MRI and do my thing and in three months we can do the MRI. I said, I’ll agree to that if we can. 00:18:24:07 – 00:18:44:23 Dr. Toni Galardi If we can, if you give me three months. So in that three month period of time, it’s when I did certain things, you know, that I did all on my own. By the way, I was not managed by a physician of any kind, and I found a center that does IVs. There’s something called the G6 PD, which is a lab test. 00:18:45:09 – 00:19:03:18 Dr. Toni Galardi If you do not have this kind of rare blood disorder, then they can do high dose vitamin C IVs with you, you know, and any time I start feeling rundown, I go and I just go over there and I get another 50 grams of vitamin C and I it because it supports your adrenals in a big way besides cancer, you know. 00:19:03:24 – 00:19:30:15 Dr. Toni Galardi So three months pass. I do do the MRI and with that black diving, you know, shot into my body. But and it showed, according to the MRI, a 70% reduction. What she said to me was when she called to tell me the results, she said, your tumor is at 500 millimeters. And I said, 500 millimeters. That’s a 70% reduction. 00:19:30:21 – 00:19:48:17 Dr. Toni Galardi You know, she said, well, we don’t have an MRI to contrast it with. And I said, Well, what do you mean? I said, So are you telling me that I need to then have another MRI in six months? And she said no and a mammogram will be sufficient. And I just like, okay, I don’t understand how any of this works. 00:19:49:08 – 00:20:06:00 Dr. Toni Galardi So I had to wait, but I knew it was gone. I could feel it with cause I could feel it, you know? And it was gone within three months of the biopsy. And but I had to wait for that half a centimeter, you know, that was left to clear the body and it did. 00:20:06:06 – 00:20:11:23 Nathan Crane Did you. Sorry. Your first with the biopsy. Did you say you had an ultrasound to or how did they distinguish the size. 00:20:11:23 – 00:20:16:05 Dr. Toni Galardi Of a mammogram? So three months prior to that, I had a mammogram. 00:20:16:05 – 00:20:20:15 Nathan Crane Oh, you did have a mammogram? An ultrasound. Okay. So so they determined the size at that point. 00:20:21:13 – 00:20:41:07 Dr. Toni Galardi They in three months prior. So in May, this was in August when the biopsy was done. In May is when I woke up and I felt the lump in my in my breast. So I told my doctor and we did the mammogram and ultrasound and the radiologist told me, because of the size of it, it was little more than two centimeters by two centimeters. 00:20:41:07 – 00:21:01:19 Dr. Toni Galardi She thought it was a stage two. It looked invasive. And I just decided I was going to wait on the biopsy and do a ten pass. So I went to California and visited friends and did Ozone. So I did ozone therapy, five, five treatments of ozone therapy and continue doing coffee enemas and some other things that I talk about in the book. 00:21:02:05 – 00:21:03:11 Nathan Crane And did they? 00:21:03:11 – 00:21:03:21 Dr. Toni Galardi I did. 00:21:03:23 – 00:21:14:04 Nathan Crane You did the ozone where they ran it through a put it into your blood into a blood machine, then put the blood back into your veins. Yeah. 00:21:15:04 – 00:21:35:05 Dr. Toni Galardi So and they do that ten times. Yeah. They can do five passes and they can do ten passes. You know Dr. Liebowitz, who was the doctor who supervised that, you know, those treatments, told me that he had a patient come to see him who had metastatic, metastatic breast cancer. They could do nothing for her. They basically said it was in her. 00:21:35:10 – 00:21:56:12 Dr. Toni Galardi She it started in her breast and went to her pelvis in her bones, supposedly. And he so they told her there’s nothing really they could give her maybe three months, you know, with chemo. And so she said she had nothing to lose. So she went to him and she could only afford to do five passes. So they did five passes twice a week for 16 weeks. 00:21:57:02 – 00:22:16:01 Dr. Toni Galardi And at the end of 16 weeks, according to Dr. Liebowitz, it was gone. It was gone completely, completely. The body completely healed. So again, ozone is another form of oxygen, right? It’s just more expensive. It’s more expensive than vitamin C. IVs are, you know, like five X more expensive, you know. So it was. 00:22:16:10 – 00:22:17:24 Nathan Crane Often what you do in coffee enemas. 00:22:18:20 – 00:22:43:05 Dr. Toni Galardi Which twice a week. So so I want to make a point about that. I believe and because I address my book is oriented toward women who have stage 0 to 2, not advanced breast cancer. If I had had metastatic breast cancer, I would have been supervised. I would have gone to a holistic doctor or clinic, but it was covered and there was no naturopathy doctors taking the patients. 00:22:43:05 – 00:23:09:12 Dr. Toni Galardi So I had to do my own research, you know. So but the thing that that I learned was that I didn’t have to do things as rigid as even the alternative. People will say, absolutely no sugar. Okay. Well, I went I was never I hadn’t been on refined sugar for a long time anyway. But I still gave myself, you know, raw cocoa chocolate made with coconut sugar, you know, I, you know, so gave myself fruit. 00:23:10:07 – 00:23:38:02 Dr. Toni Galardi I wanted to do things because I was my own guinea pig to see would this work so that other people would stay on it because there are women who won’t stay on this program. Nathan You tell them, like some of the doctors that I know you’ve interviewed have said you have to do live food for a year. You know, well, if you’re metastatic, I would agree with that, you know, but if you’re in early stage breast cancer, you can allow yourself to have some joy so that you’ll keep doing the program. 00:23:38:02 – 00:23:39:03 Nathan Crane You have a lot more time. 00:23:39:18 – 00:23:57:14 Nathan Crane You have a lot more time. Yeah. And that’s that’s one of the big things that, you know, you were you were well-educated, well informed going into your oncologist, into your doctor and saying, hey, look, I I’m going to try some things for a few months and we’ll see what happens, you know, and then and then I’ll come back and we’ll check up on this. 00:23:57:14 – 00:24:20:02 Nathan Crane I think that’s what I would do, too. I mean, that’s I think that’s really smart, especially if you’re stage one, stage two. I mean, you know, at later stages, there’s still there’s still more time than you often think there is now. Certain cases, you know, I mean, there are certain cases where, like an immediate surgery could save your life. 00:24:20:10 – 00:24:42:08 Nathan Crane Hey, go for it, right? I mean, I’m not here to tell anybody what to do and what not to do. It’s like but if I were in the situation and yeah, you know, you’ve got a tumor blocking your colon and if we don’t get this out of you in the next week, like, you’re going to back up and die, like, okay, you know, let’s get it out, you know, and then focus on everything else or, you know, you’ve got, you know, a tumor on your brain stem is pushing up. 00:24:42:08 – 00:25:11:23 Nathan Crane And, you know, there’s certain cases where it’s like, hey, I would do surgery, get that thing out of me. Western medicine can be great for surgery, but I think way more often than not, people are rushed into again out of fear from their oncologists into treatments. They know nothing about the long term effects of these treatments, the safety of these treatments, the damages of these treatments, and end up making decisions that, you know, sometimes they feel terrible about. 00:25:11:23 – 00:25:33:09 Nathan Crane And I know this because we talk to them, because they come to us, because they get recurrence. So, you know, they do the surgery, chemotherapy, radiation. Right. And then the cancer comes back three years later. And it’s like, Doctor, I thought you healed me. What’s going on here? And so then they find us because they research and go, Hey, there’s something else going on here that’s causing the cancer. 00:25:33:09 – 00:25:53:01 Nathan Crane What’s once you ask that question, what’s causing the cancer? And then you’ll usually find out material. You know, you’ll find concrete cancer, you’ll find my books, you’ll find our docu series, documentaries, all that stuff. Because we look at the cause, the root cause, and we know what the causes of cancer are. You know, your oncologist doesn’t know because they’re not trained on that, because they’re trained on pharmacology and they’re trained on surgery and radiation. 00:25:53:09 – 00:26:20:19 Nathan Crane They’re trained on symptom management and attacking the disease like the disease is is an enemy against you. And it’s not the disease as a result of an exact set of circumstances that our bodies have been introduced to through the internal and external environment for a long period of time. Right. And so most cases, long period times sometimes a short period of time like, you know, heavy stresses for three months, six months, a year. 00:26:20:19 – 00:26:55:00 Nathan Crane I mean, that’s kind of a short period of time, but it can, boom, make a cancer grow rapidly. So when you start looking at the causes, what causes? Then you can start to think through, okay, what can I do about this? And addresses that. The root cause. And there’s so many, you know, they call them spontaneous healings. They’re actually I had Dr. Bernie SIEGEL, I don’t know if you know him, but we’re honoring him with a lifetime achievement award at our Integrative Cancer Conference or bill jansing cancer conference coming up is turning 92 on Saturday of our conference October 14th. 00:26:55:22 – 00:27:37:14 Nathan Crane And he he’s such an amazing man, by the way. He’s like he’s he’s such a just a brilliant, funny, incredible man. But I forgot what I was going to say about him specifically. I like 100 thoughts coming at same time that I want to share. But but, you know, Bernie has helped his so many of his patients heal from, quote, unquote, incurable stages of cancer, oftentimes by helping them rethink and re examine their life and understand, you know, what’s at the root of all this stress and problems in their life. 00:27:37:14 – 00:27:53:05 Nathan Crane And they get to that root and then they go home and start doing something that brings them passion and meaning and purpose. And then 14 years later, they walk into his office and he goes, You’re supposed to be dead. You know, 14 years ago, what happened here? They’re like, Well, I went home, I started gardening and landscaping and doing things I enjoyed. 00:27:53:05 – 00:28:17:20 Nathan Crane I just forgot to die, you know? And it’s those kinds of stories that are just, like, incredibly inspiring. Obviously, there’s no guarantees with cancer. But in your case, as you discovered, you know, researching and taking action and following your intuition and getting guidance, you know, being smart about it, doing it safely, all that kind of stuff. You know, you have so much more time in a lot of cases than you’re led to believe that you do. 00:28:19:12 – 00:28:43:12 Dr. Toni Galardi What I wanted in this book was also prevent to be focused on prevention because I have a passion for prevention. My first two books were about helping people figure out when it’s time to lead the life that they were in before they hit the wall. And because so many people wait until catastrophic crisis, whether it’s a health crisis or it’s a job crisis, before they before they do anything. 00:28:43:12 – 00:29:15:00 Dr. Toni Galardi And so life quake in my first two books was examining how do you find your purpose. So in this book it was important to look at root cause. What’s the root cause emotionally? What’s the root cause environmentally? What’s driving this? One of the things that I discovered by, you know, some of the women wonderful doctor Jen Simmons, who wrote the foreword to my book, breast cancer surgeon, who talks about in the in the foreword that this is a symptom, that breast cancer is a symptom of an environmental problem going on in your life. 00:29:15:09 – 00:29:42:23 Dr. Toni Galardi And that what is zero estrogenic is the cause, not the Astrid dial in a woman’s body. And women have been led to believe that when they have an estrogen positive tumor, that it means it’s because they have too much estrogen. So what do they give you? Tamoxifen, aromatase inhibitors, pharmaceutical aromatase and aromatase inhibitors, instead of things like din and broccoli sprouts and things of that nature that, you know, I now grow. 00:29:43:08 – 00:29:45:12 Dr. Toni Galardi So I took a look at organics. 00:29:45:12 – 00:29:46:11 Nathan Crane Soy Yeah. 00:29:47:14 – 00:30:12:15 Dr. Toni Galardi Yeah. It’s so important to look at, you know, Bernie, I mentioned Bernie in this book as well. I one of the things I loved about his book also was that he said he really helps a patient get in touch with what can they get behind because it’s placebo. So I do the same thing as as a as a therapy, as a psychotherapist and as a coach is what can this person get behind? 00:30:12:15 – 00:30:51:08 Dr. Toni Galardi That’s going to be the best healing for them. So I say it several times in the book. I don’t I don’t condemn anybody who chooses to have a lumpectomy or a mastectomy or whatever it is. If that’s something they can totally, 100% get behind and believe, this will help them heal. My concern is that for stage zero and this is happening as a trend in traditional medicine, they are telling women, breast cancer surgeons are telling women that if you have a mastectomy and of course, people want to have a bilateral mastectomy so that they both look, you know, the same both breasts look the same if only one breast has dysplasia. 00:30:51:15 – 00:31:16:23 Dr. Toni Galardi And what stage zero is is dysplasia. It’s not an invasive cancer. It’s a it’s a pre-cancer. It’s condition mostly derived from inflammation, you know, an imbalance in the body and all you you know, for the most part, if you have stage zero breast cancer, if you detox your liver, you detox your colon, that’s going to go away. If you look at your life and you see what I’m doing for a living. 00:31:17:10 – 00:31:44:04 Dr. Toni Galardi Am I passionate about what I’m doing this? Am I in a good relationship? One of the I have a whole chapter on toxic marriage, and there’s data, clinical data that shows women in their forties. And by the way, in 2022, it jumped doubled the number of younger women getting breast cancer. Now, it was 10 to 13% of breast cancer diagnoses were women over 50. 00:31:44:19 – 00:31:52:01 Dr. Toni Galardi Now it’s getting younger and younger, and it has literally it doubled in one year, you know, well, you know, 20, 25%. 00:31:52:12 – 00:32:16:11 Nathan Crane It’s a president is the number one killer of cancer in women as well. And it’s the number one cancer in women. And it’s it’s very sad. It’s very sad and troubling and scary, you know, for a woman, for anybody to be told you have cancer, you know, and and then rushed into, like I said, treatments you might not know anything about. 00:32:16:11 – 00:32:36:03 Nathan Crane And so I love what you’re doing, which is, you know, empowering and educating women and saying, hey, especially stage one, stage two and prevention and saying, hey, here’s what you need to know. Here’s some options. Here’s some things to think about. You know, that way when you have a diagnosis, you can take a few steps back and do some research and then make an educated decision. 00:32:36:03 – 00:32:58:00 Nathan Crane I mean, that’s that’s all I that’s all I wanted. That’s all I wanted. Since I’ve started this work with cancer specifically well over a decade ago, because my grandfather passed from what I believe were the treatments that he was receiving. And chemotherapy, radiation, I believe, killed him, not the cancer. And I have a lot of evidence to support that, but personal, you know, anecdotal evidence to support that. 00:32:58:00 – 00:33:16:02 Nathan Crane And and I met a lot of people along the way who have said exactly the same thing. And so all I want to do is learn about what can we actually do to prevent cancer and to help our bodies fight cancer naturally. And then and then know our options. If you’re ever diagnosed, what other options do you have? 00:33:16:02 – 00:33:42:07 Nathan Crane Is that the only option? Well, no, that’s not the only option. There are a lot of options, but I want to read it. We’re talking about Bernie Segal. I, I, I was doing a recording with him yesterday and asked him, you know, five or 10 minutes for his acceptance speech, for the conference, for his lifetime achievement award. And, you know, with Bernie, it’s it’s like he’s going to tell stories for hours and hours. 00:33:42:07 – 00:34:07:02 Nathan Crane And I love his stories and I love and I’m just sitting there like, you know, it’s late in the evening. I’m I’m late for, you know, seeing my kids after school, going to the gym, eating. I’m hungry, I’m tired. It’s like 530, 6:00. I had a long day and then I’ve got Bernie on here talking for like, you know, supposed to be five or 10 minutes and it’s like an hour later and I’m like, All right, Bernie, we got to wrap up now. 00:34:07:02 – 00:34:33:19 Nathan Crane And he’s like, okay, I got I got a good story for wrap up. He tells oh, you know what? One more thing to help make the point and oh, one more story. I got to share it. You know, it’s it’s like I’m sitting there and I’m actually reveling in it and and really trying to, like, push aside the hunger and the urgency to leave and all that human ego stuff and just like be present with this incredibly brilliant, wise, loving man and like, you know, receive this wisdom that he’s sharing. 00:34:34:04 – 00:34:50:23 Nathan Crane And so, you know, it was honestly a struggle and at the same time really rewarding. And I’m glad I did and didn’t, you know, cut him off early. So we have like almost an hour of just like gold that he shared. But now I figure out how to, like, cut 5 minutes out of that for his acceptance speech. 00:34:51:08 – 00:35:24:22 Nathan Crane But anyway, he emailed me afterwards and he says, Remember to tell people to draw and talk to themselves and learn about who they really are and their family too, and helps you as parents very much. Peace be with you, Bernie is a lot of his work is you know you read his book you know he would have going back to hey if someone wants to choose chemotherapy, radiation, etc., what he would do is have them first draw themselves, hey, draw yourself in in the room, having surgery, draw a picture, paint a picture of yourself. 00:35:24:22 – 00:35:44:09 Nathan Crane It doesn’t matter if you’re an artist, doesn’t matter. Just draw something of yourself in the room receiving the treatment. And if he ever saw anything from that drawing from that person that had like he would see drawings that like showed them was like Xs on their eyes or, you know, like symbols of death and things like that. He said, Don’t do the treatment. 00:35:44:17 – 00:36:01:01 Nathan Crane Don’t do the treatment until you get your mind around that. This treatment is going to be good for you. And then if you saw someone there with family and hugging and like he drew you know, someone drew themselves looking happy and healthy, he said, hey, keep that’s great. Keep this in your mind that the treatment is going to help you. 00:36:01:12 – 00:36:21:15 Nathan Crane And he would encourage them to draw, actually draw and paint pictures of themselves and think about and visualize themselves receiving the treatment and being benefited from it and being healed from it. You know, you’re talking about placebo. This is what he did with his patients. And he had the best patient. He had the best outcomes for his patients out of anybody in his hospital. 00:36:21:15 – 00:36:43:23 Nathan Crane And so a lot of the nurses wanted to work with him because he always had these crazy, incredible results with patients where some patients, they wouldn’t lose their hair. And he showed his nurses their paintings where they drew after treatment. You know, they drew hair on themselves and, you know, visualize themselves having energy and feeling good and not getting sick from the treatment. 00:36:43:23 – 00:37:08:15 Nathan Crane And so there is 100% something to be said about, hey, whatever treatment you’re going into, make sure you feel good about it. Make sure you visualize yourself receiving benefit from it, make sure you go into it, you know, feeling strong and healthy and seeing yourself that way, because we know the power of the mind and its impact on the physiology and the outcome of the actions that we take for our own health. 00:37:09:10 – 00:37:22:00 Nathan Crane And so he’s you know, Bernie is just a true legend. And he emailed me that last night. So I had to make sure to talk about it since we were talking about him. 00:37:22:00 – 00:37:51:03 Dr. Toni Galardi We’re absolutely. So one of the things when I was talking about stage zero, there is a been a trend that breast cancer surgeons are telling patients that if they have this bilateral mastectomy, they don’t have to do radiation. And this is how what is talking women into it? You know, and it’s unfortunate. One of the things that I talk about in this book that’s a little of a very unconventional is medical astrology. 00:37:51:03 – 00:38:13:21 Dr. Toni Galardi And medical astrology was taught in medical school at one time, you know, before we moved into the Cartesian age, which was all about the linear, you know, what you see is what you believe instead of what you believe is what you will manifest, right that we are now seeing and through quantum physics. But at one time, they took they took medical astrology out of medical schools. 00:38:14:06 – 00:38:43:05 Dr. Toni Galardi And I began studying medical astrology in my thirties and then became a consultant to integrative and functional medicine doctors who had hard to teach. They couldn’t figure out a case. So I you know, they consulted with me and there were certain things that I could see on a chart. And one of the things that I studied was I looked at the charts of 30 celebrities and 30 women, and then four or celebrity men who had had breast cancer. 00:38:43:05 – 00:38:59:01 Dr. Toni Galardi Because the numbers are going up in men as well. You may know that breast cancer, you know, although it’s still only a little less than 2% of breast cancer diagnoses, the numbers are jumping in, men being diagnosed. 00:38:59:01 – 00:39:07:02 Nathan Crane So it’s it’s it’s about it’s in the thousands, I think is still very low. But it’s as you said, it is growing. Yeah, year after year. 00:39:07:20 – 00:39:37:14 Dr. Toni Galardi It’s about 3000 a year of men who are diagnosed and 520 men died of breast cancer last year. So in the United States. But anyway so I wanted to see if there was a pattern. You know, could I was there a repetitive pattern in the charts of celebrities? And I thought given all the money they have, probably they must have, because I was looking for answers at the time, but they must have gone ballistic, you know, because they had the money to do this kind of thing. 00:39:37:22 – 00:39:57:00 Dr. Toni Galardi None of the women that at least they weren’t admitting it on, you know, on record had done any kind of other than Suzanne Summers after she had, you know, a lumpectomy and radiation. And they gave her a hard time. The fact that she didn’t do chemo at that time and that she did mistletoe therapy, they gave her a hard time about that, you know. 00:39:57:12 – 00:40:21:11 Dr. Toni Galardi So what I saw was a pattern there was a pattern and it was emotional in nature that there was a pattern of a certain kind of type of person who is more emotional and who has a lot of water in their. And and that kept repeating over and over again, you know, except for Sheryl Crow, she was the only only chart that I looked at that did not have water on the chart, but she was under a transit from the plant. 00:40:21:11 – 00:40:47:04 Dr. Toni Galardi The rules water, which is Neptune. So there is that’s where it led me to start looking at the emotional piece. I thought, okay, if this is repeating over and over again in the charts of celebrity women and I have a metric, a water sign, you know, then is it possible that those who hold who process emotions differently, who who take on who are empaths, for example, people who are very empathic. 00:40:47:08 – 00:41:06:24 Dr. Toni Galardi And so I read an interview actually with Sheryl Crow, even though she’s a fire air person, she’s an Aquarian. She said one thing she had to look at was overextending herself that she had this tendency to take on everybody else’s problems and was helping this person, helping that person, giving money here, giving money there, and that she had to learn to have better boundaries. 00:41:07:06 – 00:41:20:24 Dr. Toni Galardi And this is one of the the the lessons of breast cancer, because I see that pattern in breast cancer, you know, women who are survivors, breast cancer thrivers is that they’ve had to look at sending better boundaries, you know, with others. 00:41:21:12 – 00:41:27:24 Nathan Crane Yeah. Yeah, that’s huge. Have you researched German new medicine at all? 00:41:29:15 – 00:41:36:12 Dr. Toni Galardi Well, there’s I mean, there’s a lot of German I mean, there’s a lot that comes out of Germany. There’s incredible machines. You know. 00:41:36:18 – 00:42:27:18 Nathan Crane This is this is specific. KLEE It’s coined German new medicine. It was founded by Dr. Reich. HAMMER Decades ago. Are you familiar with that? So his his research, he took thousands of patients over his career and a brilliant doctor. I mean, incredibly brilliant early on, he started noticing a pattern among cancer patients and emotional trauma. And when he would dig into their charts in life and ask questions, and he started recognizing, hey, every single cancer patient, basically every single cancer patient that he was working with, whether it’s breast cancers, colon cancers, brain cancer didn’t really matter, had at some point previously a traumatic experience in their life. 00:42:28:15 – 00:42:57:03 Nathan Crane And he started looking at he had a theory and he was able to verify it that that trauma actually caused a lesion on a specific part of the brain associated with that part of the body. And he was able to to verify this through MRIs and then he started, you know, really going deep into the science behind the connections in which part of the brain is that which part of the body is associate and the organ. 00:42:57:08 – 00:43:28:10 Nathan Crane And he would find matching lesions on the brain and the organ that are associated with each other. And that particular trauma and started teaching this and sharing with others and actually ended up taking it to a really prominent school of medicine. And they told him, I mean, he had so much evidence of this and MRI’s and proof and case studies and reversed he has he claims to have a 90% cancer reversal rate from thousands of patients that he worked with over the years. 00:43:28:23 – 00:43:55:07 Nathan Crane And they always and he took it to this university and gave them all the all the proof, all the data. And this was documented. I can’t remember who said it from that university was said. Dr. Hammer is 100% correct with his findings. But we we can never implement them here because it’s it’s in I’m not quoting this word for word, but it’s very similar. 00:43:55:07 – 00:44:16:05 Nathan Crane It goes so much against what our conventional thinking is about cancer, about the body and disease that it just we just can’t do it. And that’s basically where it’s been left. And now German new medicine. Anyone can go out and learn about this yourself. You can buy books on it. There’s free videos all over online. It’s it’s a it’s a free thing accessible to everybody. 00:44:16:05 – 00:44:45:10 Nathan Crane It’s really in-depth and very complex. But there’s a simple way to understand it. And they look at the cancer as a more of a healing result from that trauma. And when you finished your healing phase, when you finish your healing that trauma, that tumor finishes itself in your body, basically, you know, dissolve that tumor and you move on. 00:44:45:10 – 00:45:14:13 Nathan Crane You can heal from it. But most people reactivate the trauma through the fear, through triggers, through other situations, through, you know, the prognosis and all the other things that the body actually can never heal, because then you’re in that sympathetic nervous system state for so long. So anyway, German new medicine, it’s really profound. But you were talking about in your own case, you recognized, hey, you were going through this stressful time and you had this kind of, you know, almost traumatic type experiences and then, boom, you had breast cancer. 00:45:14:13 – 00:45:17:17 Nathan Crane I know so many people who had the same story. It’s incredible. 00:45:18:15 – 00:45:48:12 Dr. Toni Galardi It’s also important to look at early childhood trauma. You know that. Yes, there is a predictor around trauma and the previous five years before a tumor shows up, no question about that. You know, loss losses often will if you don’t process them, if you don’t do somatic work. And so that’s why in this book, because I’m a psychotherapist in a shamanic practitioner, I teach people how to clear that on a daily basis. 00:45:48:24 – 00:46:12:21 Dr. Toni Galardi You know, we we take a shower every day, right? Twice a day sometimes. Right. We do all this stuff to clean. We clean our teeth. We do that ritual twice a day, cleansing your psychic body at end of the day is so important because disease starts in the bodies that are around the physical body. You know, we talk about chakras that are in the body. 00:46:12:21 – 00:46:32:10 Dr. Toni Galardi Well, trauma starts there. It starts in their body. So if at the end of the day, you go back through and I have this exercise scanning the day and you look at any time during the day where there was something that hit your system in a shocking kind of way or was stressful to clear it. And I, you know, teach how to do that. 00:46:32:10 – 00:46:58:23 Dr. Toni Galardi You know, how to clear it out of your body so that you reset every day. You’re rebalancing your nervous system, taking it into parasympathetic before you go into sleep every single day. And anyone who’s had childhood trauma has that PTSD waiting to happen the minute something happens and their adult life. So if we don’t learn how to do this literally as a practice in a ritual, then it collects in it becomes a toxin. 00:46:59:05 – 00:47:02:03 Dr. Toni Galardi You know, emotions become toxins in the body. 00:47:03:13 – 00:47:18:03 Nathan Crane So what what were some of the initial once you recognize did you recognize right away that like, hey, this is primarily emotional related your breast cancer, was that like a thought that you had early on? 00:47:18:08 – 00:47:30:18 Dr. Toni Galardi Well, because it was in the shape of a heart and. It was on it was over the heart and in the left breast, which I know is, you know, the feminine side of the body, that immediately I thought, this is emotional. 00:47:30:23 – 00:47:37:09 Nathan Crane And the cracked and the cracked heart that I think your friend said. Right. And you had just broken up a five year relationship. I think you said. 00:47:38:22 – 00:47:59:07 Dr. Toni Galardi Yeah, right. Yeah. So and she said clinically, you know, the surgeon said, wow, that was two tumors, you know, that merged into one. And so I thought at the moment my thought was my parents deaths, they died six or just after I moved here and then COVID hit. So I had no part to go into. I was, you know, writing my second book. 00:47:59:13 – 00:48:33:06 Dr. Toni Galardi I, I thought, Oh, I’ll have time to go out and meet people. And Asheville didn’t happen because we went down. Everything went down, right? And so I, you know, was sequestered. I was alone and lonely and and grieving and then literally my father’s death. And then six months later, my mother died. So there was this loss that I and I didn’t have to ask or I didn’t think I had time to really dig deep into that, to that grief and do a grief real appropriate grief work. 00:48:33:06 – 00:48:54:02 Dr. Toni Galardi Because I was trying to get a book out. And it’s what was interesting is what happened was I did Dr. Sue Motor show, she was on a guy network. I did guy a couple of times. And then we did this interview at the end of January 2020. Okay. And in that interview, I was and I had breast cancer at the time, didn’t know it. 00:48:54:21 – 00:49:20:01 Dr. Toni Galardi And I said my my in the in the interview, my prediction is part of the transformation on the planet that’s going to take us into more fifth dimension. Reality is the transformation that’s going to come through confronting cancer and addiction. And at three months later is when the interview the interview came broadcast April of 2020, when the world was in a global life quake. 00:49:20:12 – 00:49:38:07 Dr. Toni Galardi Okay. So that I mean, the response I had, I didn’t expect this. I didn’t think many people would even watch the interview. You know, none of my friends had Gaia. So I think but it goes in 19 countries around the world. And so I started getting hundreds of people reaching out to me who were in their own life. 00:49:38:07 – 00:50:02:04 Dr. Toni Galardi Quake. Right. And so but my context is look at any addictions you have as an opportunity and anyone in recovery, you know, knows this is an opportunity for for transformation. Same thing with the health crisis. Opportunity for transformation. So I saw that as, okay, I can if I can heal this emotionally and I sound like I didn’t do a physical detox because I did. 00:50:02:16 – 00:50:11:14 Dr. Toni Galardi But it was important to not just do a physical detox, but to look at root cause on an emotional plane and do that processing that I had not done. 00:50:12:07 – 00:50:25:02 Nathan Crane And for you, what was the what was your processing like? What what therapies did you use? Did you mostly do the things yourself? Did you see others? Did you what were some of the what were some of the therapies you think really helped you through that? 00:50:25:24 – 00:50:54:17 Dr. Toni Galardi Okay. So Qigong is really helpful. You know, for somebody who cannot afford to go and see a therapist such as myself, she’s getting a qigong practice because that helps with energy healing and on what’s that? What was Greg Braden’s show called Missing Links on Gaia? He talked about the story of these Qigong masters, forged qigong. Do you know that story of standing up? 00:50:54:17 – 00:51:30:06 Nathan Crane So I trained for three and I worked really closely with a master Qigong teacher, Master Ming Dongyu, who trained at that medicine list hospital in China and became a, you know, went through the master training program there under Grand Master Peng Ming from that hospital where Greg Braden shared the video of the basically the tumor, you know, the energy healing of the US let you share the story, but yeah, yeah it’s small world so so Ming Tong so I worked with him really closely and which is retreats and trained with him very closely for three or four years. 00:51:30:06 – 00:51:50:04 Nathan Crane No longer than that, five or six years in Santa Fe, New Mexico. He has a retreat center there, and I’ve helped him produce master classes in his qigong master classes. And Qigong trainings are available at one of my Web sites at Healing Life dot net. So I practice qigong every morning. So I’m very steeped in the in the qigong world, very much. 00:51:50:04 – 00:52:11:11 Nathan Crane I love it so much. I think it’s I think it’s the thing that people need today. Like yoga came to the West 100 years ago when, you know, Paramahansa Yogananda came in and yoga kind of exploded. I think qigong is at the precipice of exploding to that level where everybody is going to learn about it and benefit from it because it’s so powerful. 00:52:12:15 – 00:52:42:23 Dr. Toni Galardi Yeah, the story that Greg tell tells is this woman had this huge tumor on her kidney. And I mean, it’s huge. And these so you see it on the CAT scan, you actually see the tumor on the CAT scan. And for qigong masters are encircling her and it took them 4 minutes. You see it going down. And what they’re saying in Tibetan was Waza Waza already healed, already healed in, in and in this chanting. 00:52:43:10 – 00:53:11:24 Dr. Toni Galardi So that’s part of healing, right, is to see yourself as already healed. So I extracted from that, you know how important it was for me. You asked me, what did I do? Well, I had tools because I’m a, you know, a long time shamanic teacher. So I had tools that I could use on myself. But for those who can’t afford to go to someone like me, then doing a Qigong class, you know, I worked the Qigong Master in California name is Daniela Carraro. 00:53:12:09 – 00:53:26:22 Dr. Toni Galardi And you can do zoom healings where someone you know, you don’t need to be in the same space. With that, I also created a power of a group which is free. You just have to pull 00:53:34:23 – 00:53:59:03 Dr. Toni Galardi So I put a power of eight groups together. And on Zoom once a week, eight people came together. I actually, you know, asked 14 people so that there would be enough people each week. And so eight people always showed up and all they did was you. No, no. This doesn’t require you to be a Qigong master, doesn’t require you to have any kind of energy healing tools. 00:53:59:13 – 00:54:22:13 Dr. Toni Gallardi That was what her study was so amazing was the all the people who participated. It had no, you know, energy, mastery techniques. They just all they were instructed was was to send energy of radiant love to this person who was the, you know, a receiver. And for 10 minutes, that’s it for 10 minutes. So I did that for 12 weeks. 00:54:22:13 – 00:54:49:24 Dr. Toni Galardi I talk about that in the book because that was talk about humbling for somebody who I was identified myself as being the healer, the person who puts the cape on that rod rescues the day is now suddenly having to ask people to come in and say, Oh, the meltdown that my ego had to go through, I sobbed the first two sessions we did this so powerful and people can do that for free. 00:54:50:02 – 00:55:07:20 Dr. Toni Galardi You just have to bring together people who are willing to hold you as already healed, you know, and do that for 10 minutes online. You know, I think Zoom is a great way. It’s such a great tool, you know, and anybody can get that free of charge, right? You can do 10 minutes, you know, online and get it free. 00:55:08:04 – 00:55:31:12 Dr. Toni Galardi So that’s what I wanted to put in the book were things that people could do cost effectively, you know, for those and again, for stage zero one or two who cannot afford an alternative medicine doctor or, you know, where we would cost for traditional treatment if they have a high deductible, you know, and that there are things you can do yourself, you know, to heal yourself. 00:55:31:21 – 00:55:34:08 Dr. Toni Galardi So that was what I was passionate about. 00:55:35:01 – 00:55:58:21 Nathan Crane That’s beautiful. And yeah, there are. So I think the power of group healing in qigong is it’s talked about as the chief field. The field of healing energy that we create as qigong practitioners all over the world. And as you practice and visualize, it becomes a meditation off in a moving meditation and you connect to that key field. 00:55:58:24 – 00:56:32:08 Nathan Crane I actually interviewed Ming Tong on the podcast recently and we talked a lot about that. She filled in the power of the G field and is basically quantum science is understanding why and how this works now, but connecting to a group of other people, sharing an intention and an energy towards something that’s already healed in the word that that he uses, that I chant every morning and my Jegan practices how long and how law in Chinese means all is well and getting better. 00:56:32:20 – 00:57:05:24 Nathan Crane And so when you chant it towards, you know, you’re sending healing energy and visualization to something in your body or your life or somebody else. You’re chanting how little love in your visualizing that area already healed. Like we saw. Meaning, you know, it’s already healed. All is well and getting better all it’s already well and it’s getting better and you can use that for your relation ships, for your finances, for your health. 00:57:05:24 – 00:57:36:24 Nathan Crane I mean, if nothing else, you know, a powerful way to program your mind towards goodness instead of, you know, fear and darkness. But I love it. Yeah, I actually did a documentary. It’s on YouTube, I’m free. It’s with Otis Wallen, who had cancer. And and he was, you know, he would put himself in a heated bathtub steaming. And then just, you know, what I. 00:57:36:24 – 00:57:39:11 Nathan Crane Saw was saw was saw. 00:57:39:15 – 00:57:56:15 Nathan Crane O light and chanting and basically shrunk that tumor all the way down to where there was just like a little bit left. And then he did a cryo, basically froze it off. They were able to do a CRI blast station, think it’s called, they freeze a little bit of the tumor that was left and then it was gone. 00:57:56:17 – 00:58:17:20 Nathan Crane It was like he was healed from it. But yeah, I went out to his house and interviewed him and his wife and his daughter. And but he also learned, you know, practice qigong and helped heal himself of both that and I believe a lesion on his liver. He had a couple of other things going on and totally heal and some it’s powerful stuff. 00:58:17:20 – 00:58:44:07 Nathan Crane I mean, what you’re talking about is powerful stuff and it’s awesome too. So talk about coincidences, right? If you believe in coincidences as coincide, as synchronicities, I literally was and I’ve seen that video half dozen times of Greg Braden showing the practice she practice qigong practitioners literally dissolving the tumor on a CAT scan. I’ve seen it multiple times over the years. 00:58:44:21 – 00:59:07:06 Nathan Crane Somehow I was watching it again yesterday, so I hadn’t seen that video in three or four years and I don’t even know how I got to it yesterday, but I’m watching the video and I downloaded and saved it because they’ve deleted that from YouTube I think multiple times. So it’s like, I’m going to save this. So I have it in case they delete it again. 00:59:07:17 – 00:59:11:17 Nathan Crane And then now you bring it up in this interview. You know what? What a very. 00:59:12:00 – 00:59:32:24 Dr. Toni Galardi Into people can get get Gaia for 999 a month you know his all his interviews you know are on there and you know it just like probably get qigong stuff from you as well but you know, there are classes that you can take and is that there are things you can do yourself. You know, he did it himself, right? 00:59:33:10 – 00:59:57:06 Dr. Toni Galardi That you don’t have to depend on another person. However, and this is where I come in as a coach, what I have to get to with someone first is whatever is in the way of you taking full responsibility for your health. You can tell someone, you can give them all of the resource. I had a woman come to me who had heard about what I had done with myself and was in corporate America. 00:59:57:18 – 01:00:24:11 Dr. Toni Galardi And and I told her when we saw when we did the coaching session, it was clear to me she was in burn out, hated her job, and she said, I’m just going to go do the lumpectomy. I know that you you were able to cure yourself, but she said, I’m just going to go do the lumpectomy. So if someone isn’t willing to take a deep dove into what their fear is taking full and total responsibility, there is a threat. 01:00:24:12 – 01:00:50:13 Dr. Toni Galardi You can talk about synchronicities. What came through my feet I’m looking for. Mind you, this was weird. I’m looking for a a theta chant, which is six mega hertz, you know that I could listen to because it takes you into theta of them chanting, you know, the vibration of six, six megahertz delta. And in comes this vlog from a breast cancer surgeon in the UK. 01:00:50:13 – 01:01:16:17 Dr. Toni Galardi And I’m not going to mention her name because I want to be respectful of what she’s doing, who just had her third bout of breast cancer and she did of the mastectomy the first time they radiated it. Then the second time it came back, they did radiation again. And the third time what they are telling her, they just went in and they she they snipped the cancer out and they said they don’t know what to do because they can’t radiate her anymore. 01:01:17:02 – 01:01:48:02 Dr. Toni Galardi The Tamoxifen didn’t work. So they then they switched her over to a different kind of synthetic aromatase inhibitor, and that is now no longer working. The only thing that they have to give her to knock her estrogen down, which is still that that belief system, that somehow it’s the estrogen in your body is is a kind of a aromatase inhibitor that they reserved for women who are metastatic, you know, and they wanted to hold that back until she was she actually had it where it came back metastatic. 01:01:48:02 – 01:02:11:13 Dr. Toni Galardi And I just thought this is this is crazy. This is crazy. And she said on camera, women need to know it’s not their fault. You know, it’s not their fault. This this just happened. Some people have it on their in their DNA. Yet we know that only 5 to 10% of women is in is it inherited? Have the gene or whatever that really actually has. 01:02:11:13 – 01:02:32:23 Dr. Toni Galardi And even with that Bruce Lipton’s work about, you know, what you can do to reverse anything that you’ve inherited anyway. But the point is, is that I’m listening to this and she’s saying it’s not your fault. And I’m just not that mentality of, No, it’s not your fault. I don’t think of it. You don’t want anyone to feel blame about getting breast cancer. 01:02:33:09 – 01:02:49:24 Dr. Toni Galardi But I did look at taking full responsibility because I knew that’s where I had power, that I wasn’t going to have power if I just gave it over to someone else who just did what they thought was best, what they’re going to get paid to do. A breast cancer surgeon gets paid to do surgery. I don’t fault them. 01:02:49:24 – 01:03:08:22 Dr. Toni Galardi This is what they were trained to do, but this is what they can give you in their medicine bag. They can give you surgery. That’s the only thing they have. And they’re missing back to give you. Right. So but you you run out of options when you go that route. And she she was running out of options. Now, if with three bouts of breast cancer. 01:03:09:02 – 01:03:37:05 Dr. Toni Galardi So if she were my patient, I’d be asking questions like, do you like what you’re doing? Surgeons have a higher risk, like 40% higher risk than even regular physicians. And physicians are at risk with breast cancer. That’s what the data shows, you know, so I’d be looking at do I love what I’m doing? You know, do I is my relationships, you know, in order she mentioned something about her husband not being able to show up for the third surgery she went through and how distressing that was. 01:03:37:10 – 01:03:59:24 Dr. Toni Galardi So I’d be looking at those emotional pieces like, is everything working in my life or is there something that I haven’t looked at? That’s the etiology or the root cause, you know, that has nothing to do with the physical symptom. So when I’m working with someone, I’m wanting them to look at what is my refusal to take responsibility for my healing? 01:04:00:24 – 01:04:17:04 Dr. Toni Galardi What’s that about? Not from a judgmental place, but like, let’s be curious about it. Let’s just be open and curious. Like, what part of me just wants somebody to just do that? Do it to me, right? And I don’t have to do anything except recover. 01:04:17:04 – 01:04:40:18 Nathan Crane Yeah. And that’s I think that’s a that’s part of so many people. And I had someone actually message me this morning about some of my videos on Instagram or something and saying, Oh, you’re, you know, you’re making women feel disempowered because you’re saying the cancer is their fault. And I’m like, How do you interpret that from anything that I said? 01:04:41:01 – 01:05:01:20 Nathan Crane You know, I read other comments and and women were replying in defense and saying, no, he’s empowering people by saying, look, once we know what the cause of the cancer is or the disease or whatever challenge, we know the cause, and then we can learn the solutions. Now we can become empowered to actually do something about it. If you don’t know what you don’t know, how can you make any changes? 01:05:01:20 – 01:05:24:04 Nathan Crane No one else is going to fix you, right? And but that’s what we want. It’s like we want someone else to fix us. Hey, I’m broken. Fix me. And that’s not true at all. And you’re not even broken in that sense. It’s like, Hey, we often, unconsciously or subconsciously have been programed to live a certain way to eat a certain way to behave, a certain way to react to situations in a certain way. 01:05:24:15 – 01:05:56:11 Nathan Crane And the only way we can change that is by becoming aware of how we respond and react to things, and then choosing consciously to change it. Well, you can’t become aware of something if it’s not, you know, pointed out to you and or you’re not questioning. You know, I’ve become so aware of so many of my own faults and traumas and and behaviors and bad habits and addictions over the years, because I was have always been willing to question myself, where is this coming from? 01:05:56:11 – 01:06:15:16 Nathan Crane What is this about? Why did I just react that way? Why did I just yell at my wife in this situation like or say it that way? You know, and I’ll go out now and I’ll think about it and I’ll ask the questions. And it’s not about judgment. It’s like, Where the hell did that come from? I sit down and think and question Right is basically self psychoanalyzing and it’s like, okay, where’s this? 01:06:15:16 – 01:06:38:00 Nathan Crane Come off of my childhood. Okay. All right, look, I can forgive myself for that and let’s try and catch it next time ahead of time. You know, let’s work on preventing that and let’s work on healing that. And that’s that is empowering to realize you have the power to turn off those cancer genes. You have the power to turn on your parasympathetic nervous system. 01:06:38:00 – 01:06:58:05 Nathan Crane You have the power to activate healing within your mind and within your body. Nobody else is going to do it for you, right? We can try to pay everyone to do it for us. You know, we can get a massage. That’s nice, you know, but you’re not can have someone that can massage you 12 hours a day. So maybe once or twice a week, you know, depending on what you can afford, you know, that massage is going to put you in that parasympathetic. 01:06:58:05 – 01:07:16:11 Nathan Crane That’s nice. But where do you do the rest of the, you know, hundreds of hours like that’s up to you. You know, what do you to do when you’re sitting in the sauna sweating by yourself? You distract yourself with, you know, television on your phone. You’re going to sit in meditation and actually experience the challenge and move through it. 01:07:16:11 – 01:07:43:11 Nathan Crane That’s what I love about Qigong as well, is it teaches you to move into and accept and embrace the pain and the challenge you’re experiencing, not to run from it, not to fight it, not to hide it, not to deny it, but to actually move into like I have a big knot in my a tweaked my rib a few weeks back and it just, you know, flared back up again. 01:07:43:19 – 01:07:58:23 Nathan Crane And one of the one of the postures we do is spinal bone marrow, where you twist all around. And right now it’s like a level eight pain and part of it is, you know, moving into it and breathing into it and accepting it instead of going, oh, no, that hurts. I got to stop. And that’s what we do, right? 01:07:58:23 – 01:08:20:20 Nathan Crane We pain and we flinch and we stop. But but there very often where the pain we need to move into, if it’s emotional pain, if it’s physical pain, actually, the more we move into it and accept it, the more we can actually allow that energy blockage to be released and allow that trauma to heal and allow the physical to heal as well. 01:08:20:20 – 01:08:38:10 Nathan Crane We know physical therapy, we’re actually going to, you know, massage it and move into it and move through it. And that’s going to heal it faster versus just sitting here doing nothing. Know. And all the evidence shows that as well as, you know, anyone who’s ever experienced it personally. So I love what you’re saying in that regard that what. 01:08:38:11 – 01:09:05:01 Dr. Toni Galardi One of the questions to people is how much do you value your freedom? You know, because when you take this on for yourself when you take on the emotional trauma that may have preceded you, either unresolved trauma from childhood or things that happened in the last few years, if you take that on and you’re willing to sit with yourself and breathe into that, just keep going into it with the breath. 01:09:05:02 – 01:09:33:15 Dr. Toni Galardi Keep going into it with the breath. There’s a space that gets made inside. And when you start to take on your own healing through doing your research or reading, you know, like my book or your books or whatever, and you get a plan and I believe in having a plan, a roadmap. That’s why I wrote this as a roadmap that if you allow to say, I can do this because I want freedom. 01:09:34:07 – 01:09:53:15 Dr. Toni Galardi I want freedom. And that’s what this gives you is more freedom. One of the things when I was speaking with Veronique, Dr. Desalinate, was we were talking about the fact that, you know, she’s had two bouts of breast cancer and she knows that if she were to have it again, she would have more options than the woman who’s had radiation, you know, you name it. 01:09:53:15 – 01:10:20:04 Dr. Toni Galardi You know, besides mastectomies has, you know, we have more options to detox that it’s only a symptom. Cancer shows up. It’s a symptom. If I could give everyone in in the world one thing, it would be to desensitize them to the word, because one out of two people are going to get cancer in their lifetime. And it doesn’t mean death and it does it you know, it means something is out of whack. 01:10:20:07 – 01:10:30:24 Dr. Toni Galardi That’s all. I mean, something’s out of whack, especially in early stage. If it’s zero one or two, this can be reversed through taking this on on the emotional, physical and spiritual level. 01:10:32:06 – 01:10:33:02 Nathan Crane Yeah, I love it. 01:10:33:13 – 01:10:34:08 Dr. Toni Galardi How free to. 01:10:35:00 – 01:10:54:21 Nathan Crane Freedom. Yeah. Do you want freedom? Free. I love freedom for me is like everything. I’m like a freedom freak, if you will. Maybe too extremes sometimes. I want to ask you about addiction. So do you have your own personal journey through addiction or what led you to helping people with addiction? 01:10:55:15 – 01:11:17:03 Dr. Toni Galardi Yeah, so I talk about it in my book. My father was a gambler and as a as a teenager, I struggled with food addiction and my, you know, and I knew it was in response to what was out of control in my environment. But one of the things I interviewed 100 women for this book, and the question I asked them was what was what were their views? 01:11:17:03 – 01:11:32:12 Dr. Toni Galardi One of the questions about their breasts as a teenager and it was astounding to me that the women like myself who had big breasts, had as much shame about their breasts as the women who had small breasts. Wow. You know, so this was. 01:11:32:13 – 01:11:33:24 Nathan Crane A day to think about from. 01:11:33:24 – 01:11:43:23 Dr. Toni Galardi The get go. There’s this predisposition in this country at least toward disrespect for the brass. You know. 01:11:44:04 – 01:11:49:19 Nathan Crane Women are saying come from. Where do you think a shame comes from? From having large breasts? Like where does that come from? 01:11:50:10 – 01:12:26:09 Dr. Toni Galardi Catcalls. When you walk down the street, guys, you know, construction workers or, you know, guys making fun of you at school for your for your big you know what? And so you learn to hide them. You know, you do all kinds of things. There’s a lot of shame that comes with that or thinking that you’re only being asked out for your boobs, you know, because if guys, when they’re looking at you and they’re looking at your chest, you know, while they’re talking to you, so there’s that whole thing that develops a disrespect for breasts, in my opinion, because I also ask questions about what was your mother’s views on her breasts? 01:12:26:09 – 01:12:52:21 Dr. Toni Galardi You know, and again, these were interviews not just with women who had breast cancer, but all kinds of women every age. The only women who did not have issues with their breasts, interestingly enough, at least my in my data were gay women and women who were athletes. I’m interested having small breasts, served them, you know, gay women that, you know, other gay women don’t care, you know, about. 01:12:53:07 – 01:12:53:23 Dr. Toni Galardi Your breasts are. 01:12:54:10 – 01:13:12:18 Nathan Crane So sad that we have a culture that, you know, judges, women. And now, I mean, they’re judgments for men to be in this case were specifically talking about women like it’s sad that we have that and I remember in school yeah that there was you know a lot of that and I’m sure I participated in some of it as a as a teenager. 01:13:12:18 – 01:13:35:14 Nathan Crane And, you know, one way or the other, like how I don’t know, the disheartening that is. And if we could teach our kids, like how to respect each other and each other’s bodies and each other, you know, and not put people through that shame, you know, it’s because then that shame that you deal with as a kid, then you go into your adult life. 01:13:35:14 – 01:13:52:05 Nathan Crane And I mean, look at these women that you interviewed and men deal with it as well, where you go into your adult life and you’re still holding on to these self shames where you have such a hard time loving yourself and your body. You know, I’ve got a little fat on my belly and it’s like, Oh, I wonder what people think about that. 01:13:52:05 – 01:14:05:10 Nathan Crane I don’t look great or whatever. And it’s like, you know, we hold on to this even as adults and think about how negatively that’s affecting our life, you know, just in the background, every single day, talking about freedom that completely takes away your freedom. 01:14:06:12 – 01:14:31:08 Dr. Toni Galardi You mentioned addiction. And so the other addiction that followed me into adulthood was codependency. And going into a program like Al-Anon, you know, really helped it because obviously eldest child and I had no sisters. I had three younger brothers and was my mother’s assistant basically in trying to deal with this, you know, dysfunction going on with my father’s gambling. 01:14:31:21 – 01:14:56:03 Dr. Toni Galardi So I learned at a very young age to be a therapist. I was my mother’s counselor at a young age, and this followed me into adulthood. Of course, that became my perception, you know. But there’s an occupational hazard to that which is being too empathetic. And so, again, to come back to that whole thing about if you give too much, you know that codependency is the deeper addiction, quite frankly. 01:14:57:01 – 01:15:12:03 Dr. Toni Galardi So a lot of women will say, well, I don’t have I’m not addicted to alcohol or food or yeah, but look at, you know, where your boundaries are and how do you take care of yourself first before other people, because that in and of itself is an addiction. 01:15:13:14 – 01:15:22:05 Nathan Crane So for you, codependency, like how did that show up in a negative way for you? 01:15:22:05 – 01:15:43:02 Dr. Toni Galardi I still deal with it. You know, I was I was working, went out to dinner with a friend and at the end of she’s a massage therapist. And at the end of the dinner, she said she talked the whole time and she said, thanks for the session. And she has her own therapist. And I thought to myself, okay, you got to stop this, you know, because you want circular relationships. 01:15:43:02 – 01:16:01:19 Dr. Toni Galardi You know that that’s what you want to, you know, send out to the universe when it comes to, you know, women in your life. I’m very clear about that. With my male relationships and my my partner, you know, he and I have a very reciprocal kind of relationship where he is genuinely interested in what goes on in my day and on and on. 01:16:01:19 – 01:16:15:24 Dr. Toni Galardi It’s not just me listening to him, you know, and, and we’re mutually supportive, but that doesn’t mean you don’t do that with your women friends, so it can show up in other other places as well. And, and it’s an occupational hazard of being a therapist in that. 01:16:16:02 – 01:16:44:16 Nathan Crane Yeah, I bet I, bet because they look at all she’s a therapist so she can, you know, just sit there and listen to me and listen. Elizabeth And then selfishly, unknowingly not realize, like, hey, you’re a human being, too, that needs to share and needs to be heard and needs to, you know, have this reciprocal communication. That’s why I love the word communication, because you break it down comes from communion, which literally means to to to share, to be reciprocal, to be in harmony with each other. 01:16:44:24 – 01:17:09:11 Nathan Crane And yeah, if it’s just one person, always giving, giving, giving, giving, another person always taking, taking, taking, and there’s no reciprocity, things definitely get out of balance. I, I think that happens to a lot of people who go down a spiritual path. Initially, I know what happened to me. I don’t know if it I mean, you’re saying it did happen to you, but that’s kind of like from your whole life, not just it happened to me spiritually. 01:17:09:11 – 01:17:28:19 Nathan Crane Like I was like, oh, I went to the opposite extreme. You know, as a teenager, I dealt with addiction extensively, almost to the point of where I died as well multiple times. But then when I found a spiritual path, it was like, Oh, I have to give away everything and serve everybody and not take care of myself and not. 01:17:28:20 – 01:17:45:10 Nathan Crane And it’s just give, give, give, give, give, give, give until the point where it was like I felt so out of balance and so out of my body and so out of touch with, I think, you know, being grounded that it was like just constant kinds of giving were then like I had nothing, you know, and I was like, I finally had an awakening moment. 01:17:45:10 – 01:18:03:08 Nathan Crane It was like, you know what? This is a this isn’t working. And I don’t think this is what being in imbalance in our lives is supposed to be like. I think it does need that reciprocity. We need to be able to give. We never will receive as much as we can give and vice versa. 01:18:04:03 – 01:18:30:06 Dr. Toni Galardi So absolutely. I also think just the world as it is, you know, is in such a state of chaos that as you go out into the world and you’re dealing with people’s frustrations and stress. Right. It’s important to come home and again, clean out clean clothes, your own work field because you don’t know is attached to you. You know, there’s a lot of parasitic energy out there. 01:18:30:06 – 01:18:58:23 Dr. Toni Galardi People don’t mean to, but they’re overwhelmed. You know, they’re overwhelmed. So they’re out there talking. They’re telling their woes to the cashier at the grocery store while you’re behind them. Right. That can can affect you. You know, all these things that aggregate from a world that’s in tremendous stress and transition. We’re in a big, big transition. So this taking care of yourself by doing emotional and, energetic cleansing at the end of every day is really critical. 01:18:59:10 – 01:19:10:07 Nathan Crane I love that. And you said you shared that process in your book, how you do it. Is it something you can share? Kind of briefly like overview with us, like what you do. 01:19:10:16 – 01:19:19:08 Dr. Toni Galardi A simple version that would be to just simply say anyone or anything in my energy field that is not me. Go back to when you came. 01:19:20:19 – 01:19:25:21 Nathan Crane I love it. I tried to visualize it. Send it away. Yeah, yeah. 01:19:26:13 – 01:19:46:00 Dr. Toni Galardi And any it has to go by the way I actually do a to step with and then I say anyone or anything attached to my physical body that is not me. Go back to whence you came at. I do that at the end of every day because. I believe that we need to go into sleep surrounded by a cocoon of light. 01:19:46:00 – 01:20:07:23 Dr. Toni Galardi So that’s what I do. I surround myself in a cocoon of light and that that I’m not taking on the collective. You know, I am very connected as a shaman and as a mystic to the collective unconscious. You know, I have dreams like I had dreams that COVID was coming back and so and I had dreams before 911. 01:20:07:23 – 01:20:22:24 Dr. Toni Galardi You know, I am connected to the collective unconscious. So I make sure before I go to sleep and we many of us have we’re not even aware that you are. And so it’s important to seal your energy field off before go into sleep. 01:20:22:24 – 01:20:47:09 Nathan Crane I have a question for you. So and I want to ask you’re like what you think is the best approach for people or maybe how you deal with it. Someone in your life could be a friend, an acquaintance, someone you see often, but they’re like a very negative person, right? And they’re and they’re not meaning to be like to bring you down or whatever. 01:20:47:09 – 01:21:08:05 Nathan Crane But every time you go visit them or talk to them or whatever, it’s like it’s it’s mostly complaints that come out of their mouth, like pouring, you know, rivers of complaints the whole time when, you know, like, I’ve got someone in my life like that right now and and I think she’s great. And I, you know, like to see her. 01:21:08:05 – 01:21:33:00 Nathan Crane I want to have conversations with her. But, you know, I see her maybe once a day. I’m not going to tell where or when or whatever, because I don’t want to like point anybody out. But every time I see her, most of the time, it’s like she’s complaining about something, just she just needs to vent. And I’m one of those people that listens wholeheartedly and fully to people when they speak and when they vent. 01:21:33:00 – 01:21:57:02 Nathan Crane This is a practice I’ve developed over the years, and so people will come to me with their problems and share them openly. Oh, this is someone who does it all the time, 24/7. It’s just her behavior. Now, what I’ve started doing, like with her in particular, and I think I just developed this habit over the years with people when I notice it’s a pattern is I’ll just I’ll just like walk away and continue what I’m doing. 01:21:57:02 – 01:22:09:08 Nathan Crane I’m like, Oh, okay. I just shake my head and I just start, like, walking away. Like, rather than get into and start asking questions about because normally it’s what I would do. Well, what’s going on with this and what about that and why, you know, why do you feel this way? And that’s like kind of getting like a therapy role. 01:22:10:02 – 01:22:26:18 Nathan Crane And then the conversation will never end and it’s all complaints the whole time. Instead of doing that, I just kind of listen for a little bit and I’m like, Oh, okay. And then I’ll go over and do my thing and like try to be respectful but not rude, you know, like, that works for me, but I don’t know if that’s the best thing. 01:22:26:18 – 01:22:30:02 Nathan Crane Like, what do you recommend people do. 01:22:31:00 – 01:22:51:18 Dr. Toni Galardi With if it’s someone that you evaluate you want in your life? And it’s important to take a look at this, you know, especially if you’re facing breast cancer, you know, or any kind of cancer to take a look at who in my life is a toxin. Okay. And because, you know, what we have found is that there was study done in China. 01:22:52:01 – 01:23:14:00 Dr. Toni Galardi And the one thing that all the women in the study who had breast cancer had in common was the only thing they had in common. Their diets were varied, their socioeconomic class was varied. The one thing they had in common was a toxic marriage. Okay. So but with a with that, you know that that’s not easy to just leave a relationship. 01:23:14:00 – 01:23:34:15 Dr. Toni Galardi But if it was with somebody who you evaluate is really I’m not getting anything from this I’m the listener. Then I would take a look at who do I need to eliminate? However, with those people who you feel there’s value, there’s something that I’m receiving that’s reciprocity in some way. Are there in your family or something? You know, this person is. 01:23:34:15 – 01:23:53:13 Nathan Crane Kind of like kind of like family because we give this we work out the same together. And so I see her almost every day. Right. And there’s a friendly, you know, exchange there. But it’s not like I’m not looking to get something out of it. But I also it’s not something I can, like, completely ignore her either, you know what I mean? 01:23:53:13 – 01:24:03:07 Nathan Crane It’s just I call her an acquaintance, someone I see every day, you know. So anyway, Good continues. Just be clear. I’m not talking about my wife. There’s somebody at the gym. 01:24:03:07 – 01:24:03:16 Dr. Toni Galardi I’m here. 01:24:03:18 – 01:24:07:03 Nathan Crane You just talking about you. 01:24:07:23 – 01:24:28:22 Dr. Toni Galardi So the technique that I. That I have begun practicing again, forgetting, you know, but practicing again. And I recommend to people to do well, you’re in someone’s space instead of trying to figure out how to help them. You know, and this is I’m talking to somebody who’s a complainer, is to start to, first of all, shift your breath to go inside. 01:24:29:06 – 01:24:57:06 Dr. Toni Galardi So you’re disconnecting from them, disconnect from them, and go into your higher self and connect with their higher self and simply have as an intention. I am holding this person just internally in your own mind. I am holding this person in the highest potential that is possible for them and that you hold that intention so that you’re listening more to that than you are to whatever the the stuff is that they’re actually spouting. 01:24:57:19 – 01:25:22:15 Dr. Toni Galardi And that also helps you to not be slimed because when somebody is complaining, if you’re impasse and you take that in, you’re you’re getting slimed, you’re energetic, feel inside. So the way that you prevent yourself from being slimed is by energetically holding yourself in the light, holding them in the light, and then just continuing to chant inside, I hold them in their highest potential. 01:25:22:15 – 01:25:34:06 Dr. Toni Galardi I hold them in their highest potential. They are their highest potential. They are their highest potential. When you keep chanting that something will shift in the energy because you’re disconnected, you’re disconnected from their story. 01:25:35:16 – 01:26:00:06 Nathan Crane Interesting. Interesting. I’ll have to try that. That’s really cool. Thank you for sharing that. I also have thought about recently, I’m like, I’m seriously considering like just pulling her aside and like just telling her, you know, being like, Hey, I just want you to know something like, I think you’re a good person. I, you know, enjoy being in the, you know, gym together. 01:26:00:07 – 01:26:19:09 Nathan Crane I, you know, we train, you know, by each other every day, that kind of stuff. Like, I don’t mind talking to you, etc., etc.. But here’s my perception. My perception is this, right? You complain a lot about a lot of things and I really just don’t want that in my life. I don’t need to hear all of that. 01:26:19:17 – 01:26:30:24 Nathan Crane I thought about telling or having a conversation with you, but I’m like, Is it going to help her or is it going to like create more of a, you know, create a problem? Like, I don’t know. 01:26:30:24 – 01:26:40:06 Dr. Toni Galardi I think that if someone is committed to that, you know, that kind of energy, that kind of because it’s an addiction, complaining isn’t a. 01:26:40:06 – 01:26:42:12 Nathan Crane Yes, it is. Exactly. Yeah. 01:26:43:07 – 01:27:02:13 Dr. Toni Galardi What they you know, as a guy, she may listen to you as long as I think you say, look I want to I don’t want to alienate you. It is not my intention to push you away. It is more actually so that we have better connection, that I’m sick. Yeah, you know, I want to of person. 01:27:02:21 – 01:27:16:06 Nathan Crane Yeah. Like, I don’t mind talking to her at all. It’s just like I have no interest in people being in my life that just want to come and complain all day long. Like, I just don’t have an interest in having that energy around me, you know? It’s like, no, thank you. I don’t need it. 01:27:17:08 – 01:27:35:10 Dr. Toni Galardi So practices see what happens. But I think that if you hold someone in their higher self practice, practice doing that with, with somebody who you love, you know, who you trust enough that if they’re their complaining mode practice just seeing them in their full potential and see if any shifts in the energy. 01:27:35:17 – 01:28:22:17 Nathan Crane Because you’re just I got a few people I could work I could do that with. Like I said, I got some good marching orders now. That’s awesome. All right, I’ll. Well, I will try that. Thank you. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, I think that’s important, though, that we you know, I learned to set boundaries years ago, and it’s like those boundaries can, you know, become open because it’s like I care about when you care about people, when you want to help people, when you feel service to humanity, to others, when you know it’s part of your life purpose to help awaken and help guide and help teach and and help, you know, share good things 01:28:22:17 – 01:28:37:02 Nathan Crane with people so they can live a better life like you. I think you become more open to a lot of those situations. And so at some point it’s like, yeah, you do have to set some boundaries, otherwise you just get totally swamped and taken over. 01:28:38:16 – 01:28:54:17 Dr. Toni Galardi And boundary setting takes many different forms. That’s what I was saying. Some of it is the interaction with someone, some of it when you go out into the world. As I said, it’s a chaotic world out there. But if you surround yourself in light, I loved it when we had to be six feet apart in a group grocery store. 01:28:55:01 – 01:28:57:18 Dr. Toni Galardi Really what you can do is you can exercise. 01:28:58:08 – 01:28:59:10 Nathan Crane I thought I was so stupid. 01:29:00:03 – 01:29:29:04 Dr. Toni Galardi Yeah, I know, I know. Yes. What? You can extend your energy field six feet in every direction and. Yeah. And you’re filled with light your quantum it expands. Right. That’s cool. So but if you go into the world with that like I’m in, my intention is to go into the world with in this orb of light, then then the orb is what’s going to actually absorb, absorb, orb, the toxin of emotions out there in the world. 01:29:29:09 – 01:29:45:20 Nathan Crane Somebody who’s very empathic like yourself. I could imagine that Six Feet Apart actually was probably really like amazing. Like, like, hey, I’m not taking on all these people people’s energy. 20 4:07 a.m. I actually have some space when I’m out in public? I bet that was actually pretty nice. 01:29:45:20 – 01:29:58:17 Dr. Toni Galardi Yes. But again, you know, as I said, if you do this exercise before you go out and you clean your field when you come home, it’s easy around people to be close to people mean I’m a very affectionate person. I’m Italian. So, you. 01:29:58:21 – 01:29:59:06 Nathan Crane Know. 01:29:59:18 – 01:30:02:11 Dr. Toni Galardi Of hugging and touching people when I’m in public. 01:30:02:11 – 01:30:02:17 Nathan Crane Like. 01:30:03:18 – 01:30:26:04 Nathan Crane Do you do you think if someone like hates being around a lot of people that they could be empathic and they don’t know it? Yeah, some of it’s like, I mean, I’m thinking of somebody I know who’s like they absolutely, like, hate going to places where there’s a lot of people they just like and it’s like it’s a loathing thing where they just can’t stand it for too long. 01:30:26:04 – 01:30:48:20 Nathan Crane They get overwhelmed and I’m like, I need my space, my private space. Like I need. I’m a I’m a man. I need my cave, right? Like anyone who’s studied John, you know, Mars for men and women are from Venus Gray, John Gray’s work like I think he’s spot on with that. It’s like the men we need to go back to our cave and like that’s how we regenerate. 01:30:48:20 – 01:31:06:08 Nathan Crane And there’s different ways that we do it 100%. But I also really enjoy being out in public and being around other people and having conversations at the gym and at the beach and things like that and people watching. I enjoy it. Like I don’t ever feel like I hate so many people, but I also need my privacy, like my backyard. 01:31:06:08 – 01:31:22:17 Nathan Crane Like I don’t want to see people walking around when I’m in my backyard naked, laying by my pool. You know what I mean? Like I want sunshine, I want privacy. But I also don’t have a problem going out and being around people where this person is like they need privacy. They but they also hate being around other people. 01:31:22:17 – 01:31:26:05 Nathan Crane And I’m and I’m thinking I’m like, I wonder if they’re just like an empath and don’t know it. 01:31:27:20 – 01:31:28:14 Dr. Toni Galardi I sensitive. 01:31:28:18 – 01:31:29:21 Nathan Crane Yeah think so. 01:31:31:08 – 01:31:39:17 Dr. Toni Galardi It’s very possible because anyone who goes out and is inundated, you know, by the energies of other people is highly sensitive. No question. 01:31:40:08 – 01:31:40:14 Nathan Crane Yeah. 01:31:40:24 – 01:32:01:13 Nathan Crane I might have to. I might have to talk to him about that. Anyway, this has been awesome. Tony, thank you so much for reaching out. And thank you for your, you know, really kind words and congratulations on, you know, just your own personal healing journey and the work you’ve done, obviously, for a long time as a therapist helping people. 01:32:01:13 – 01:32:12:14 Nathan Crane But now really diving in and helping women with breast cancer. I know you’ve got your new book that just came out for Breast Quake, right? Where can people get a copy of that? 01:32:13:17 – 01:32:29:24 Dr. Toni Galardi Amazon, Barnes and Noble? I’m actually going to be doing some programs so people can come to the website breast quake dot com. You know, I also have life quakecon so there’s free things that people will get from coming to the website. 01:32:29:24 – 01:32:46:05 Nathan Crane So it took me a little bit to I was a little slow when I first saw the titles, took me a little bit to realize like, oh, like earthquake. It’s, I didn’t get it first. I was like, Quake, what does she mean by quake? I don’t know. I think my brain was overloaded when I first saw your books, but I could. 01:32:46:12 – 01:32:54:11 Dr. Toni Galardi Get my my interpretation of of a life quake is the awakening into the soul waking up to who it really is. You know. 01:32:54:12 – 01:33:13:10 Nathan Crane You know, in the breast quake, it is I mean, a cancer diagnosis. The hundreds of cancer patients I’ve met and talked to over the years, it is like an earthquake in your life. So I think that’s a that’s a great title, actually. And the fact that you’re sharing hope and solutions with people, I think is. Awesome. So thanks. 01:33:13:10 – 01:33:18:12 Nathan Crane Appreciate it and great to get to know you more. Awesome. Thanks for being on the podcast. 01:33:19:13 – 01:33:22:18 Dr. Toni Galardi Thank you, Nathan. 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(This transcript was auto-generated so there may be some errors) 00:00:00:00 – 00:00:29:01 Speaker 1 What’s up, everybody? Welcome back to the podcast. I am excited to have my friend here, Dr. Monisha Bhanote, who is a quintuple board certified physician, quite an extraordinary human being and someone I’ve gotten to know over the last couple of years who knows a lot about health and healing from an integrative and functional standpoint. We’re going to get into a lot of that in this discussion. 00:00:29:10 – 00:00:51:05 Speaker 1 She has a specialty in cancer, but also helps people dealing with all kinds of chronic health issues, from digestive issues to autoimmune and you name it. She’s got a great YouTube channel and Instagram that’s got some good content pushing out there. You can go check out. And I actually found out about you, Monisha, from where we’re local residents, we’re local neighbors here in Jacksonville. 00:00:51:06 – 00:01:09:05 Speaker 1 I moved here couple of years ago and then saw your book. You were doing a book signing at one of the only like all organic restaurants here in Jacksonville that we found. And I was like, you had a flier there and your book about your book, I was like, This person sounds amazing. I need to get to know her. 00:01:09:05 – 00:01:10:24 Speaker 1 So here we are. How you doing? 00:01:11:20 – 00:01:35:07 Speaker 2 Yeah, thank you. Nathan. Yeah, that’s kind of interesting how people come together, right? We’re living in the same town, and you just came across something I was doing locally in a restaurant. Really? To share the message. And we are both very aligned in our message. So I think that was just perfect timing, timing, divine timing. 00:01:35:23 – 00:02:01:16 Speaker 1 So quintuple board certified, that is five board certifications. What did you do? Just study medicine for like 18 hours a day for like ten years nonstop or what? How did you talk about that? Why these which five? Why these five? And how much time of your life did that take to get these certifications? Because you still are very because you still are very young, which is amazing. 00:02:02:17 – 00:02:09:04 Speaker 2 Well, I’m luckily knock on wood aging pretty well due to all the knowledge that I have. 00:02:09:04 – 00:02:13:12 Speaker 1 So answering your thirties, I thought you were like 35 or something. 00:02:15:03 – 00:02:17:09 Speaker 2 But we don’t talk numbers or. 00:02:17:20 – 00:02:20:19 Speaker 1 Talk numbers. 00:02:20:19 – 00:02:53:04 Speaker 2 But so my, my formal trainings where the board certifications are in anatomic pathology, clinical pathology pathology, integrative medicine and culinary medicine. But my, my training is quite long in the past and spreads over a couple of decades in the sense that I started in internal medicine is, you know, this was the type of doctor I was quite familiar with a couple of decades ago, that this is how I’m going to help and heal people. 00:02:53:19 – 00:03:24:07 Speaker 2 And very quickly, within the first year, actually, of residency in New York, I realized that nobody was getting better. And I’m like, I’m working so hard. I’m working these long hours. I’m giving them everything they need to know my notes. Like I don’t even write like doctor notes, like scribble like mine or literally a typewriter. This is back where before we had EMR and we actually had handwritten notes on the most beautiful notebooks that you would ever see, a patient agent piece. 00:03:24:16 – 00:03:48:04 Speaker 2 And I would see those same patients again and again and again in a clinic. And I’m like, Wait a minute, you have this illness. Your I gave you this medicine, mind you, and you’re not getting better. So I’m like, Something isn’t making sense here. And I think it left both myself and my patients deeply unsatisfied with their health care experience. 00:03:48:20 – 00:03:56:03 Speaker 2 And so I decided to then go into well, I had two options. I said, I can’t do this for the rest of my life. 00:03:56:03 – 00:04:15:14 Speaker 1 What conditions were you for? Two options. What conditions were you seeing that were not getting better that opened your eyes? Were these chronic conditions, chronic health conditions, like we think of like diabetes and cancer and heart disease and these kind of things that medication is just to basically manage symptoms. Was that more of what it was or what were you seeing? 00:04:16:00 – 00:04:44:10 Speaker 2 Absolutely. So high blood pressure, high cholesterol, diabetes is some cancers. But in in in internal medicine and you’re kind of dealing with a chronic diseases, kidney diseases, this kind of stuff, right. And yes, they weren’t getting better and everything else kind of goes out to specialists at that time. And so I decided that I had a very, very strong foundation and background into two areas. 00:04:44:10 – 00:05:09:07 Speaker 2 One was radiology, which I had almost nine months of radiology and really interventional radiology and doing procedures and pathology. And that came from a metal medical school training and anatomy and pathology. I had a very strong foundation and I said, okay, I’m going to pick one of these two. And I picked pathology only because I didn’t want to sit in a dark room all day. 00:05:09:07 – 00:05:38:17 Speaker 2 And I’m like, That’s not going to be, well, good for my mental well-being. So I picked pathology, and I think they’re both two very compatible specialties. And then the fact that you’re really looking at the human body on this multidimensional level. And when I delved into pathology, there’s so many aspects of pathology and we really are looking at how do diseases develop, how are all of these diseases developing, not just symptom management. 00:05:38:17 – 00:05:59:02 Speaker 2 So I thought, all right, if I go into pathology, I might be able to help people get the correct answers they need in order to find the treatment they need. So I did a pathology residency and then I did a at it’s called NYU Winthrop now and. 00:05:59:05 – 00:06:01:17 Speaker 1 That’s four that’s a four year residency or how long. 00:06:01:17 – 00:06:30:02 Speaker 2 Was it that is. It’s a yeah. So I did a year of internal medicine for pathology. If we’re going to, if we’re going to do the math of how many years I’m training, trust me, it’s a lot. And then I did a year of psycho pathology in Cornell in the city, in the Upper East Side. I then began private practice, and in between there somehow, once again, after sitting and diagnosing disease after disease. 00:06:30:02 – 00:07:01:04 Speaker 2 Now, whether that’s a benign disease, like a reflux or colitis or a malignancy, like a breast cancer or colon cancer, and I’m looking at these patients charts and I’m going, Huh, there’s missing pieces in here. And I’m sitting in a tumor board week after week. And, you know, in the early years, we would just have, depending on the size of your hospital, you would have, you know, one tumor board where they present multiple different types of tumors. 00:07:01:04 – 00:07:31:10 Speaker 2 Now, so many facilities, or at least the latest ones that worked in our service, have specialized where we have just a breast tumor board, just a colorectal tumor board, just a head and neck, because those meetings are meant to create a multidisciplinary approach where you’re bringing together a oncologist, a surgeon, maybe a radiation oncologist, the pathologist and the whole health care team in order to help this person. 00:07:32:04 – 00:07:54:03 Speaker 2 But what I found was that we’d go in and have these meetings and it would be about, all right, here’s the size of the tumor. This is where it’s located. This is what we going to cut out. This is how we’re going to radiate it. And it’s like women. Where’s the person in all of this? All right. And I’m like, okay, still doing that for years and years and years. 00:07:54:03 – 00:08:18:07 Speaker 2 And I’m like, but if they’ve had the cancer, they’ve had the surgery, they’ve had the radiation, they’ve had the chemo. Why am I seeing these patients names back on my desk? And not just their names, but their actual glass slides of their tissue because now they have another colon polyp or now they have another breast lesion in the opposite breast. 00:08:18:17 – 00:08:38:00 Speaker 2 I’m going, what’s going on here? So for me, it was like I’m one of those people who I need answers, right? So I’m like, there’s got to be more to the story. And so that’s when I spent additional training. So I did a two and a half year fellowship at the Integrative Center for Andrew Weil Center for Integrative Medicine. 00:08:38:04 – 00:08:41:00 Speaker 1 That’s an area that’s a that’s an Arizona. Yeah. 00:08:41:10 – 00:09:15:08 Speaker 2 That’s in Arizona. And then I also did a culinary medicine training to kind of bring all of this to together. Right? So taking all these different things that I know, I basically combined this into the approach that I use now to take care of my patients. So if you actually add up the years of undergrad, medical school residency, multiple fellowships, some simultaneously, but if you actually add them up, it’s about 19 years. 00:09:15:14 – 00:09:29:24 Speaker 2 So it’s actually more than your 12 years of high school and then another 90 on top of that. So now I just gave away my age, plus more. So if somebody wants to sit down and do that math, they can. 00:09:29:24 – 00:09:32:16 Speaker 1 49 is that right? So there may be. 00:09:32:16 – 00:09:33:06 Speaker 2 No. 00:09:33:14 – 00:10:02:04 Speaker 1 No, no. Now, I mean, it’s amazing how much what’s amazing to me and I think a really important takeaway is your mindset through all of this, which is, look what I am, what I’ve been told to do and what I’m doing is not working. I’m not seeing results. So let me try and find another path, another way forward, another way to get results. 00:10:02:04 – 00:10:31:21 Speaker 1 Most people, not just doctors, not just conventional doctors, which we know of today that are trained in pharmacology, they’re trained surgery, you know, radiation, drug therapy, etc.. Most doctors never asked questions. They’re so busy, right? Just patient after patient after patient outpatient, as I’m sure you were when you opened your practice, where it’s like it’s just, you know, get them in, get them out, get them in and get them out where before, you know, doctors would spend half hour to an hour with a patient just talking to them and taking notes, all kind of thing. 00:10:31:21 – 00:10:51:18 Speaker 1 Now it’s like you’re in and out in like 10 minutes, right? It’s just get them in and out. Get them in and out. And so a lot of doctors don’t have the time or don’t choose to ask those hard questions. And it’s true for so many people in their lives to where something’s not going right. It’s not going right in their business that, you know, in their work and their relationship with their health. 00:10:51:18 – 00:11:16:02 Speaker 1 And they’re seeing diseases pop up or they’re seeing weight gain or they’re seeing, you know, they’re losing the mental clarity they used to have. They don’t have the energy they used to have. And they don’t ask the questions, why? Where is this coming from? Why is it getting why am what I’m doing not working okay? If what I’m doing is not working, then let me figure out what to do to actually achieve what I’m trying to achieve. 00:11:16:02 – 00:11:41:13 Speaker 1 And the fact that you’ve asked those questions again and again and again and it led you down this long path to now where you basically are, you know, an integrative, functional medicine doctor, somebody who takes the best of of all worlds. Right. The best of natural medicine, of ancient medicine. I know you bring all your Vedic medicine and dietary and culinary and nutritional science into your patients. 00:11:41:13 – 00:12:11:08 Speaker 1 You look at the mind and the emotions, the spiritual well-being, the environment. You look at everything you look at the person and the the internal environment, the external environment of that person, which is any doctor who I’ve come to know or call a call a friend or a colleague over the last 17 years in my pursuit, you know, I’ve I have been on this pursuit of education research independently outside of school, you know, on my own and on, you know, through learning from others. 00:12:12:08 – 00:12:39:11 Speaker 1 The same thing has led me to this exact finding and all the doctors that I know in our circles. Right. You know, many of them and our friends and colleagues with them, they’ve come to a very similar conclusion. It’s very interesting where it’s like eventually all roads lead to here, but a lot of people have to go through a lot of dark times, a lot of challenges, a lot of lost lives, you know, a lot of pain and suffering until they get there. 00:12:39:11 – 00:13:14:06 Speaker 2 But absolutely, I think the key here is to really understand that. And and just to break some of the confusion for individuals that integrative medicine is not alternative medicine. It’s it’s really not dropping. What we know may help. Okay. It’s it’s looking at the individual person as a whole and taking the best approaches from all the possible health systems. 00:13:14:06 – 00:13:41:13 Speaker 2 And, you know, you can use whole body health systems like your data in traditional Chinese medicine, much more ancient systems. And you can use some of the things from conventional and then you can use some of the things from lifestyle approaches. And then you can use even the more advanced things like neutral genomics, right? So taking all the information we have available to us and saying how can we do a little bit better? 00:13:42:05 – 00:13:58:17 Speaker 2 How can we make this human’s body function better on a cellular level? Because, you know, I’m always talking about the cells and how can we then give them the tools in order for them to take care of themselves as they age in life and have a better life? 00:13:59:05 – 00:14:21:00 Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. And that’s the questions, I think, that need to be asked and answered in all medical schools. But they’re not today. And we know why. I mean, we know just follow the money, right. And see where the the funding goes towards the medical literature, where it comes from, where the largest percentage of it comes from. And you know why students aren’t learning this? 00:14:21:00 – 00:14:49:16 Speaker 1 I mean, imagine if, you know, you went to medical school and part of your training as a conventional medical doctor, whatever path you chose as a medical doctor included functional medicine as a big part of it, you know, diet and nutrition and in convention of medical school, when you were when you were studying for you, what was what training did you receive in in nutrition or lifestyle approaches for health? 00:14:49:16 – 00:15:09:16 Speaker 1 Did you receive any at all did you receive much at all? Because a lot of doctors, I know over the years at different schools received very little nutritional education or health, you know, health related disease prevention, natural disease reversal education in school. What was it like for you before you chose, you know, other. 00:15:09:16 – 00:15:47:07 Speaker 2 So you’ve got to remember, I did I trained a long time ago. I trained in the 1980s and the early 2000. Right. So even before people were having conversations around lifestyle and so the education within the institution was limited in a sense, meaning very minimal. And if you wanted to learn it, you were really learning it outside of that, I’m happy to say and happy to see that we’ve made some progress towards having integrative programs in different schools and universities and medical schools. 00:15:47:07 – 00:16:17:19 Speaker 2 Now also having culinary medicine, cooking kitchens in different universities. So we are slowly moving ourselves in the correct or better, but better direction. Right, because it’s that you don’t throw away the baby with the bathwater, right? You take everything and you build upon it. You say, what can I do better in the system? And the system definitely has a long way to go because as you said, a lot of it’s actually out of the hands of doctors. 00:16:17:19 – 00:16:43:17 Speaker 2 So I would never blame a doctor that they don’t have more than 10 minutes because I’ve been a patient myself and I’ve gone in and I spent more time in the waiting room than I actually spent with the doctor. Right. And it’s extremely frustrating as a patient. Yeah. But unfortunately, it’s not the doctors fault. It’s the way the system is set up via insurances and what they want you to do in order to make things happen. 00:16:43:19 – 00:17:13:14 Speaker 1 It’s a is a profiteering system like you said. Yeah, it’s it’s it’s very often not the doctors, it’s the hospitals, it’s the systems that they’re part of. It’s it’s it’s about profit. Right. And that’s the problem. There’s nothing wrong with profit. The problem that I see with our health care system is that it does put profits over people, just like pharmaceutical companies, put profits over people like a lot of, you know, very top level corporations today, certainly in the United States put profit over people. 00:17:13:22 – 00:17:24:11 Speaker 1 And you see it in our hospitals, in the health care system all the time. That profit comes first. People come sometimes very far down the list, you know, not even second maybe. 00:17:24:11 – 00:17:45:10 Speaker 2 Let me let me throw this this idea out to you, because this is something my mom always, often says to me. My wife’s mom, she goes, what are people going to do with all this money? They’re going to die and what’s going to happen right with their money? Okay. I’ll go on to to another family member who will go into this other cycle. 00:17:45:10 – 00:18:13:19 Speaker 2 Right. At the end of the day, your health is really your wealth, right? Because once you lose your health, you wish you would have done everything possible to to be ten steps ahead in the right direction. So, you know, I take care of patients as young as ten and 11 to up to the eighties. Right. And and all they want is to know how they can be healthy at whatever stage they’re in and continue on that path. 00:18:13:19 – 00:18:36:00 Speaker 2 Right. So your health is really your wealth. And I never want you to forget that. And I never want you to forget that you actually have control over it. And I was thinking about this thing. I was having this conversation with somebody the other day about the less you know, about how your body works, the more controlled you are by other people. 00:18:36:12 – 00:18:55:11 Speaker 2 Which is why I spend so much of my time educating my patients or educating people wherever I’m speaking about. How does your body actually work? Because that gives the control back to you. You don’t want somebody else controlling your outcomes, your future. 00:18:55:11 – 00:19:25:02 Speaker 1 It’s such a powerful thing to think about. And I mean, we saw it with this, you know, viral pandemic, right? Where people’s minds were completely taken control of through fear and ignorance. Ignorance not and I’m not shaming by saying people are ignorant. Ignorance, just the definition of ignorance, meaning you don’t know what you don’t know. And so the ignorance of not knowing that literally we we need viruses to survive. 00:19:25:02 – 00:19:47:10 Speaker 1 Viruses are a part of every part of our body, from our skins to our organs to our brains. And it’s this fear that viruses are evil and they attack you and they try to kill you. And it’s and it’s like, that’s not what viruses do at all. Right? In fact, some viruses obviously can affect our bodies in a negative way. 00:19:47:10 – 00:20:21:07 Speaker 1 But we also a lot of that has to do with our internal environment of our bodies, isn’t it? And it’s and it’s so much as you said, it’s like the more you understand about your body, about the the symbiosis, the symbiosis that we have with bacteria and viruses and fungi, and this interdependence, you know, beyond the old mindset of just sort of, you know, survival of the fittest, which we know, anybody who’s really studied nature knows that it’s not about survival of the fittest at all, actually. 00:20:21:07 – 00:20:37:12 Speaker 1 It’s about survival of the symbiosis, about, you know, about the harmony between all living beings. That’s what creates true survival beyond survival, but thriving. But yeah, I mean, can you talk about that from your perspective? Let’s talk about viruses for a little bit. 00:20:38:04 – 00:21:06:00 Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely. So I want you to think of your body as a you have this inner ecosystem right in your body. And this ecosystem in itself has to work harmoniously because if it does not work harmoniously, that’s when you end up with symptoms, which then symptoms become diseases and so on, right? So an example I like to often give is imagine Lake Tahoe, right? 00:21:06:00 – 00:21:27:12 Speaker 2 And Lake Tahoe is is always in these pictures as this pristine blue lake where you can if you stand in it, you can see your feet all the way to the ground. And there’s fish swimming around. And the water is super clear that the flora is just thriving. The fish are thriving. Everything around that, the air, the sky, everything looks great. 00:21:27:24 – 00:21:54:15 Speaker 2 Now, imagine if Lake Tahoe all of a sudden gets designate it as a waste dump site, and the next week a truck backs up and starts pouring all of its refuse. The plastic water bottles, the garbage, the extra wires that we collect because we can’t find our cell phone charger wires. Right. Like all this excess stuff going into Lake Tahoe. 00:21:54:21 – 00:22:28:23 Speaker 2 Right. And then you go back and you visit Lake Tahoe a week later. You can’t stand in that lake. Those fish are no longer alive. The flora is dead. That entire ecosystem has basically died. Now, you have to take that analogy that I just gave you and think about what’s happening in your body, right? So when we talk about all the different things and and how to make them thrive, it makes a difference what you put in your body, what you put on your body, and how much you love your microbiome. 00:22:28:23 – 00:22:52:20 Speaker 2 Your microbiome, which consists of all kinds of organisms, whether they are bacteria, yeast, viruses, whatever they are. You want the good guys there, right? Because those are the ones that are going to help protect against inflammation, protect against DNA damage, protect your immune system. Right. So think about it in this more bigger aspect of our own inner ecosystem. 00:22:54:09 – 00:23:14:15 Speaker 1 Speaking of, I’m remembering a this is a dad joke. Actually, my daughter told me this joke the other day, you know, my daughter and she’s 12. She’s turning 30. She’s going to be a teen. Can you believe it? She’s turning 13 next month. Oh, my gosh, I can’t believe it. Anyway, she told me this joke we’re talking about fungus, fungus, fungi, yeast. 00:23:15:16 – 00:23:21:17 Speaker 1 She said, why was the mushroom invited to the party? Because he was a fun guy. 00:23:21:17 – 00:23:23:21 Speaker 2 The fungi they. 00:23:25:07 – 00:23:48:17 Speaker 1 Know. But really, it’s seriously, though, we the less you know, the more you can be controlled. If you’re told, you know, fungus is bad for you, viruses are bad for you, bacteria is bad for you. So what does that mean? As much hand sanitizer as possible, as much, you know, sanitization of everything as sterilization of everything as possible to keep everything super clean and kill all bacteria. 00:23:49:02 – 00:24:12:08 Speaker 1 That’s what antibiotics do, right? We want to go in and basically destroy the good and the bad inside of your microbiome. We don’t really care what it’s doing to the good. We’re just going to wipe it all out. So we’re going to give you antibiotics by otic, literally meaning life, anti meaning against life, antibiotic against life. We’re going to literally destroy life within you with this antibiotic. 00:24:12:08 – 00:24:40:00 Speaker 1 Now, some antibiotics could be useful in certain times. Again, this is where, you know, integrative medicine can come in. But a lot of times they’re very unnecessary and can cause more damage than good. But if you didn’t know that and you didn’t know that you need all these bacteria and viruses and different kinds of fungi in your system and in your body, and you live try to live a super sterile, fearful life away from all of the natural environment. 00:24:40:00 – 00:25:07:05 Speaker 1 What would happen is look at a hospital. More people get sick inside of hospitals. They’re supposed to be the most sterile places, right then. Then many other places. Also, look at these antibiotic resistant or these bacterial resist superbugs, right. Resistant to antibiotics. Why? Because it is against life. It’s against nature for us to try to over sterilize things. 00:25:07:05 – 00:25:33:11 Speaker 1 But if you don’t know this, then you just walk this path and end up like unfortunately, so many people today with all kinds of chronic diseases earlier or earlier cancers or earlier in earlier. Right. Cancers kills over 10 million people annually. A hundred years ago, cancer was almost unheard of. Diabetes type two diabetes, primarily diet and lifestyle is exploding into the millions and millions of people. 00:25:33:11 – 00:25:58:01 Speaker 1 And that’s something that is preventable in like almost, almost every single person Alzheimer’s, dementia, autoimmune, all these issues, chronic inflammatory issues are preventable diseases. And yet because people don’t because of what you said, people don’t know what they don’t know. They do pretty much what they’re told. They eat, you know, a lot of the poor foods that are out there that are leading to sickness and disease. 00:25:58:01 – 00:26:07:22 Speaker 1 And now we have, you know, a very sad pandemic of suffering among our fellow human beings that otherwise could be prevented. 00:26:07:22 – 00:26:40:19 Speaker 2 And so this is a great time for me to introduce you and your audience to a concept of functional culinary medicine, which is really something that, based off of my multiple trainings, I’ve really compiled into the principles of functional medicine, whether culinary arts, right? Because at the end of the day, this is going to help both prevent and it aims to treat diseases like cancer ultimately through a personalized evidence based approach. 00:26:41:01 – 00:27:07:12 Speaker 2 Right. Considering the individual’s genetic makeup, considering their lifestyle and of course, environmental factors. Right. Because it’s not just our lifestyle, it’s what’s going on in that environment. And we as individuals can influence that by our actions. So some of the key principles that I might incorporate in functional culinary medicine is a really a focus on food quality, right? 00:27:08:06 – 00:27:37:12 Speaker 2 What people are eating is not real food. If you don’t give your body nutrient dense food, it will. The cells basically get angry. They shrivel up, become damaged, become dysplastic because they’re asking for ingredients and you don’t give it to them. And over time, when they replicate, they replicate into something that’s not even a normal cell. It becomes an abnormal dysplastic precancerous cell. 00:27:37:22 – 00:27:57:21 Speaker 2 Right. So we want to make sure we’re focusing on our food. We also want to take a personalized approach to this. Right? So doing in-depth testing, if that could become the norm for everybody and not this testing that we wait until it’s bad enough that we’ve got a medication that we can stick on it, like cholesterol, for example. 00:27:57:21 – 00:28:21:00 Speaker 2 If you start seeing that year after year, slowly start creeping up, don’t wait for your doctor to tell you, Oh, it’s fine. Come back next year, see what you can do. And if your doctor can advise you, find another doctor who can. Because this is a lifestyle things right. Always a heavy emphasis on gut health right. In your Veda. 00:28:21:00 – 00:28:48:11 Speaker 2 We believe all the disease starts in the gut. It’s been said before all disease starts in the gut. Right? Our immune system lives in the gut. Our neurotransmitters are made in the gut. So if you don’t have a strong or healthy gut, which is, by the way, highly influenced by the food you put in your mouth and the plate you have in front of you, you’re going to at some point have some illness that you’re going to have to deal with. 00:28:49:05 – 00:29:06:00 Speaker 2 Some of the other principles and functional culinary medicine I might incorporate would be mindful eating right. So how many of us are eating in the car on the go, walking, talking, eating and not actually sitting down and giving ourselves a chance to absorb the nutrients? 00:29:06:10 – 00:29:29:10 Speaker 1 I’m very guilty of that. Still, even as much as I know about mindful eating, as much as I’ve practiced, as much as I’ve taught about it, I’m still guilty of it. I sit and eat and I play chess. I love to play chess. So that’s like one of the things that I do and I’m eating is I play chess, which is to me is kind of calming and relaxing though. 00:29:29:11 – 00:29:50:15 Speaker 1 So I wouldn’t call it mindful eating, but it’s it could be better than sitting and watching some intense, you know, drama or something, right. Because talk about why mindful eating, it’s because you’re you’re basically engaged doing certain hormones that may disrupt with digestion. Can you talk a little bit about it? 00:29:51:12 – 00:30:27:17 Speaker 2 So a little bit more about mindful eating. So we want to take away the TV dinners that were developed in the eighties where you’d pull up like, you know, the fold up table, you put the TV dinner out, you sit in front of your TV and then you just eat whatever was there, right? We want to go towards mindful eating and that mindful eating can start as early as the preparation of your food, meaning you’re actually looking at the food you have in front of you, what you’re preparing, that you have a well-balanced, predominantly Whole Foods plant based diet as much as possible, wherever you are on your journey of nutrition. 00:30:27:24 – 00:30:59:24 Speaker 2 But you’re looking at the colors of the rainbow, making sure you’re getting nutrients in there, phytonutrients, all these different ingredients. Right. Most people are eating basically brown, white and a little bit of green food, very little. But a majority of their plate is a brown or white food. Right. And I want you to focus more on this colorful array, because each of those things has multiple nutrients, hence phytonutrients, whether they’re carotenoids, flavonoids, whatever they might be in there that are going to fight disease. 00:30:59:24 – 00:31:27:10 Speaker 2 Right. So like I said, it starts as early as making your what I call mise en place, right? So this is a chef’s term where you put everything in front of you and you look and you’re like, everything’s organized and it makes everything super easy to put together. And then next step, start smelling it, right? So as you’re cooking the food, when you start inhaling it, your olfactory senses go into hyperdrive and then tell the body in the brain that, Oh, it’s time to eat, right? 00:31:27:10 – 00:31:56:02 Speaker 2 So any time you can imagine, you smell something that has a good smell. I remember one of the hospitals I used to work in around lunchtime. You’d always smell in the hallways chocolate chip cookies because they had the Otis whatever, chocolate chip cookies baking and it smelled the entire hospital hallway. But by that smell, what you’re doing is you’re activating things to start releasing digestive enzymes, right? 00:31:56:02 – 00:32:19:01 Speaker 2 So your digestion process is already starting before your food even gets into your stomach. Then as you have the food and you put it in your mouth, remember to chew. We often don’t allow the food to break down even before it gets to our stomach. And then we wonder why we’re so bloated and after we eat a meal is that you didn’t take time to chew? 00:32:19:01 – 00:32:44:20 Speaker 2 And if you need if you’re one of those people like me, like I am not a fan of I love salads. I eat salads every day, but I do not like the cutting of the salad. So I actually have a device that like when I travel, I bring with me to cut it down and chop it up. So that way I’m making sure that I’m able to start getting as much of these veggies in right and these fruits and veggies. 00:32:44:20 – 00:33:09:23 Speaker 2 And so and then if you think about the process of digestion, it does start in the mouth over the salivary glands, releasing digestive enzymes. It progresses through your esophagus, which essentially is more of a muscular type of organ because it’s pushing the food. And then it goes to your stomach where your stomach releases more enzymes to in order to break down the food that stomach needs. 00:33:09:24 – 00:33:35:07 Speaker 2 The help of the pancreas to send pancreatic enzymes that needs the help of the liver and the gall bladder to send bile, especially if you have eaten a very heavy fatty meal because bile is necessary to break down that food. Right. And then it continues its journey from the stomach into the small intestine, mostly duodenum, all the way into the small intestine, and then the large intestine. 00:33:35:07 – 00:33:59:16 Speaker 2 Right. So there’s this process that’s going on. And if we are basically sitting at a TV or sitting in a car, shoving down food, driving, being angrily talking to somebody, we haven’t taken the moment to slow down, to actually absorb any of those nutrients. So what’s going to happen? One, you’re not going to have the nutrients you need in order for your cells to function to you might become bloated. 00:33:59:16 – 00:34:08:22 Speaker 2 Three, You might become constipated and wonder why that? Because you didn’t really support digestion to the best of your ability. 00:34:08:22 – 00:34:37:22 Speaker 1 I interviewed a neuroscientist many years ago, this probably 12 years ago, maybe maybe longer than that. About mindful because they did studies on this in his laboratory and they would look at the brain and they would look at and they would do mindful eating and take like a raisin or an almond or something. And just like slowly, you know, kind of suck on it and chew it slowly and just really experience. 00:34:37:22 – 00:34:56:01 Speaker 1 I recommend anybody. It is. It’s actually a really cool practice. Just take it like spend 5 minutes with like just a raisin at a time. For example, look at it, observe it and put on your tongue and feel it and kind of taste it and then slowly chew into it. And, you know, they were doing studies on the brain. 00:34:56:01 – 00:35:17:01 Speaker 1 What happens? And, you know, what he found is it takes roughly 20 seconds from that food entering into your mouth and you chewing it for your brain to then signal the rest of your body, Hey, this is a raisin. Here’s what we need to do. Boom. We need these enzymes. We need this process. We need da da da da da. 00:35:17:01 – 00:35:38:10 Speaker 1 As you said, it can happen. It can start to happen even before that with certain smells, but with a, you know, food like a raisin, you’re not really going to smell it. So you put it in and it’s 20 seconds. Now, go think about what a lot of our grandparents and even parents may have said growing up. Make sure you choose your food choo choo at least 20 times. 00:35:38:10 – 00:36:00:21 Speaker 1 Write 20 times. You’re chewing one time per second. That’s 20 seconds. We have the neuroscience actually back that up now, which is which is incredible. Some of these, you know, kind of old ways of of being that somehow people have known way before the science and and yeah how many of us are just like on the go chewing swallowing you know, swallowing down our food? 00:36:00:21 – 00:36:22:13 Speaker 1 I mean, I grew up with four brothers, so if there was a good meal and you liked it and you wanted seconds, you had to wolf it down quick before you can get anymore. You know, that was like a habit I’ve had to, like, unlearn and probably still unlearning some of it to this day where, you know, slow it down to a little, spend a little more time chewing a little more time appreciating the food. 00:36:23:17 – 00:36:35:05 Speaker 1 I do look at my food. I do, you know, pray for it and give gratitude and thanks, you know, send good energy to it while I eat it. But I could certainly do better with mindful eating for sure. 00:36:35:05 – 00:37:05:15 Speaker 2 Yeah. And what you’re kind of talking about is something that’s often if individuals go through any mindfulness based stress reduction techniques, that is one of the techniques that we use when we’re helping people learn mindfulness more. Now, me personally, I’m not a fan of reasons that I feel like the texture gets really weird in the mouth and it kind of disrupts the experience, though I’ve actually taught taught this in my own retreats and depending on where I am. 00:37:05:15 – 00:37:29:02 Speaker 2 The last one, we did it with coconut water from a fresh from a fresh coconut. And can you imagine you’re on holiday and you haven’t taken like you’re drinking coconut water, but you haven’t taken a moment to actually stop cause he actually tasted it after the people did this exercise. And really, that was some of the best tasting coconut water I’ve ever had in my life. 00:37:29:07 – 00:37:44:11 Speaker 1 It’s true. It’s true with anything I’ve tested, with a bunch of stuff like I’ve tested with my kids. I take them through this mindful eating practice with almonds and like the flavor that comes out of the almond is like, I didn’t I didn’t know almost tasted this good, you know? 00:37:44:11 – 00:38:06:03 Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely. And I’m glad to hear that you are thankful before your meal. I’m going to give you one more thing to consider is to be thankful after your meal. You know, often, often we are very thankful before we have the meal, but taking a moment at the end which will then also allow you to process, am I full? 00:38:06:22 – 00:38:22:01 Speaker 2 Am I still hungry? You know, when you take that moment to pause, yeah. You can give yourself time to recognize where you are in your state of being full hungry. Maybe you overeat, right? So just a moment of pause with that after meal thankfulness. 00:38:22:14 – 00:38:50:02 Speaker 1 Yeah, that’s really smart. There’s a and there’s a term maybe you can remember it. I think it’s from very common in Okinawa, Japan. That basically is a there’s a word I can’t remember is but it basically means like eat until you’re 80% full. And that’s that’s a part of the culture there. And it’s a really smart I mean, for health and longevity as a really, really smart thing to do. 00:38:50:02 – 00:39:14:04 Speaker 1 Right? Eat a little bit slower, let the food come down and settle in and then you can pay attention and go, okay, yeah, I’m feeling good. I don’t need anymore. You know, if you’re eating potato chips and Doritos and fried foods, you know, and processed garbage foods that have no nutrients, I mean, you can eat that stuff all day and not ever feel full, right? 00:39:14:04 – 00:39:33:16 Speaker 1 So what we’re talking about is real foods here because we’re eating basically garbage, food and candy bars and stuff like that. You don’t get full. That’s why you can just keep eating, eating, eating, eating, eating until you, you know, weigh £400 because that your body’s like, I need nutrients. I need nutrients. So you keep feeling hungry, hungry, hungry, and you’re like, I’m eating, but I’m still hungry. 00:39:33:21 – 00:39:43:05 Speaker 1 I’m still hungry. It’s like that because you’re not getting any nutrients from that food. Yeah. Versus you eat a real food because you get full very quickly. 00:39:44:03 – 00:40:03:24 Speaker 2 Yeah. Your cells are speaking to you. You have to take a moment to pause and listen to them. Otherwise they will speak very loudly when they develop a symptom. You know, that’s basically these are all signs of your cells. Speaking to you as I talk, you know. So pay attention to what your body is saying to you. 00:40:04:19 – 00:40:29:20 Speaker 1 It’s a good point. It’s something I, you know, try to help people understand as much as possible is, you know, things like diabetes, autoimmune disease, chronic fatigue, cancer, heart disease. Those are symptoms. All right. We think of them as this does. Invading disease has taken over my life. And it’s like no heart disease is a symptom of a unhealthy lifestyle. 00:40:30:05 – 00:40:59:15 Speaker 1 Cancer in most cases is a symptom of a toxic internal environment. External environment. Diabetes is a type two. Type one is still very questionable. Type two diabetes is a symptom of a unhealthy lifestyle. These are symptoms that present themselves due to how we live and eat. And if we can change the underlying causes that led to those symptoms, well then very often we can change the result of that symptom. 00:41:01:12 – 00:41:01:23 Speaker 2 100. 00:41:01:23 – 00:41:28:01 Speaker 1 Percent. I wanted to ask you so you’re really smart person, obviously very well educated, a lot of experience. We’ve worked with a lot of patients, have seen a lot of good results in your practice and your research and experience led you to a plant based diet, a whole food plant. What is that, a vegan diet, if you will, or, let’s say, a healthy version of a vegan diet? 00:41:30:21 – 00:42:01:09 Speaker 1 What do you think of people like? I don’t know if you follow Paul Saladino at all, Carnivore, M.D., or some of the other doctors out there, health doctors who are promoting a carnivore diet and saying or an animal based diet, which is, you know, meat in organs and fruit and saying that plants are actually bad for you because they have defense chemicals, they have anti nutrients, they have blah, blah, blah that are hurting you. 00:42:01:09 – 00:42:07:13 Speaker 1 And so you should avoid plants and you should eat meat and organs and fruit. 00:42:09:03 – 00:42:11:21 Speaker 2 Well, Nathan, that is a loaded question. 00:42:11:21 – 00:42:15:06 Speaker 1 And hey, we got time. We got time. So you gave. 00:42:15:06 – 00:42:47:07 Speaker 2 Me a loaded question here. All right. So I and I’m going to say this from my point of view, just from what have seen, like I said, I have been looking at literally trillions of human cells under a microscope for years and years and years. And they are being influenced by multiple factors, not just our diet, but the diet is one of those things that we are doing every single day, right? 00:42:47:08 – 00:43:16:14 Speaker 2 What we are eating, we’re going to continue to eat and the research, although young, I still find is enough to have converted me from eating everything. I mean, I remember a hospital food is basically pizza, turkey sandwiches, chicken sandwiches, whatever, you know, is in the doctor’s lounge, processed soups, mini soda cans. I mean, I grew up eating the stuff and in the hospitals, this is the stuff they have, right? 00:43:17:16 – 00:43:42:15 Speaker 2 When you look at a doctor, I want you to first of all, any doctor you are taking advice from, see how healthy they are. Right? Because I know plenty of cardiologists who go out in the back of the building of the hospital and smoking cigarets. I would not want to take health advice from them. Right. So definitely take a look at how healthy your doctor is that’s giving you advice they should be walking their talk right now. 00:43:43:07 – 00:44:12:15 Speaker 1 Too. Too. I agree with that 100%. And to defend Paul and I can’t remember the other, there’s a few other kind of, you know, medical doctors today who consider themselves, you know, functional medicine, doctors, teaching nutrition, carnivore as a way they they do look very healthy. And the funny thing about Paul is that his his cholesterol is very high. 00:44:12:20 – 00:44:38:22 Speaker 1 He shared his numbers, but he has a theory that cholesterol only matters in an environment of insulin resistance. And so, I mean, I could come to believe that theory, you know, if there’s evidence to support it. The problem is, is that he kind of tries to force that belief on everybody without solid evidence that that’s a fact. But he himself claims, you know, of energy. 00:44:38:22 – 00:44:52:07 Speaker 1 He’s is lean, he looks healthy, and some of the other doctors as well who promote this diet. So, I mean, just to defend them in this particular case, they do seem healthy. They don’t have insulin resistance and but anyway. 00:44:52:14 – 00:45:15:13 Speaker 2 Can give them a few years. All right. Since any of you just. Yeah, you just reminded me that. So I met Bob Harper, who was one of the hosts of Biggest Loser at a U with us Open one time. And I remember talking to him. He was promoting his book at that time. This was the year, years and years ago. 00:45:15:22 – 00:45:44:21 Speaker 2 And and and I’m just looking at I’m like, yes, totally fit, totally ripped person. Only years later to find out he had a heart attack, which most people would not have survived that heart attack. The reason he survived it is because he he was so like he his heart had the muscle. But that he was too young to have a heart attack because he was eating an extremely heavy protein diet that was not well balanced. 00:45:45:04 – 00:46:12:24 Speaker 2 Right. So when I’m thinking of these people who are eating a very heavy carnivore style diet and not well, balancing it, their actually missing out on phytonutrients that are going to fight their diseases. Right. Because you’re not going to get phyto, which means plant from animal products. Right. Then I’m thinking about the fact that there’s things in animal products. 00:46:12:24 – 00:46:34:20 Speaker 2 Not everybody, first of all, has access to grass fed beef and all these clean meats. And this is not what these people who are these celebrity doctors that are telling you to eat. Most people don’t have access to the foods that they’re eating, first of all. So that’s that’s another thing to keep in mind. But I want you to think about let’s just take it from the perspective of colon cancer. 00:46:34:22 – 00:46:59:10 Speaker 2 So just one cancer, which is absolutely on the rise in our younger population, in fact, colon cancer. And in fact, I have a friend who had colon cancer in their thirties. He still eats his steaks. And I’m going, well, you know, that is definitely your choice, but I wouldn’t be doing my duty as a doctor without sharing what I know. 00:46:59:10 – 00:47:34:02 Speaker 2 Right? So what I do know is that the more saturated fat and you get saturated fat from animal products, right? More saturated fats you eat, the more you stimulate your liver to produce more bile acids. Okay. So the more bile acids you have, the more it alters your gut microbiome. And remember, 80% of your immune system lives and your gut microbiome, when that microbiome gets altered, it creates a pro-inflammatory environment in your gut. 00:47:34:02 – 00:47:55:12 Speaker 2 Therefore increasing your risk of colon cancer. All right. So that’s one one reason for me to go. I’m not I am not messing with my gut microbiome in a bad way right now. Imagine those individuals who have actually had the gall bladder taken out because so many people had their gallbladder is taken out and they still continue to eat these fatty. 00:47:55:12 – 00:47:55:22 Speaker 1 Foods. 00:47:56:10 – 00:48:17:04 Speaker 2 Who don’t digest them very well because they don’t have the bile acid and the storage that the gallbladder used to do in order to break down the food. Right. So these these saturated fats are influencing your microbiome in a negative way. The other thing that I’ve noticed in and the research says, I mean, this is coming from the research, right? 00:48:17:04 – 00:48:41:11 Speaker 2 So whether you choose to believe it or not, and there’s going to be research on both sides, but to me, I’m looking at the individuals whose colon is sitting in front of me because they’ve had to now go into the operating room and have like a 12 centimeter piece of colon removed from them. And these tumors in real life, which you guys don’t get to see, which I wish I could show you, they are nasty, they are ugly looking. 00:48:41:11 – 00:49:06:24 Speaker 2 They look nothing like normal tissue in your body. Right? The second thing that happens, especially with a lot of red and processed meat, is heme iron. Heme iron, a heme iron which is found in red meat and processed meats. Basically, it produces a reactive oxygen species and so you can think of it as a pro oxidant instead of an antioxidant. 00:49:07:11 – 00:49:40:17 Speaker 2 And what does that pro oxidant do? It causes DNA damage. And that DNA damage is basically a catalyst for changes in compounds in your gut and changes to contribute that have a way of carcinogenesis from, you know, maybe a nothing in the colon to a toddler adenoma, which is essentially low grade dysplasia to a more cancerous lesion. And then the other one that I often talk about is heterocyclic amines, right? 00:49:40:17 – 00:50:10:07 Speaker 2 So, you know, summertime, everybody’s on the barbecue, the grill in their meat, they’re charring it down to the bone. Right. And when meat is cooked at high temperatures like grilling or frying, it actually creates heterocyclic amines that cause DNA mutations. DNA mutations contribute to cell proliferation, and which means that your human cells are turning over faster than they should, therefore contributing once again to colon cancer. 00:50:10:15 – 00:50:32:15 Speaker 2 So for me, that I mean, those are just a few reasons. Obviously, I know hundreds more. It’s enough to the when I’ve held in my hand your colon cancer your breast cancer, your uterine cancer, your lung cancer, all of this this is happening on a cellular level, right? All of this DNA damage that’s happening, there’s multiple things going on. 00:50:32:15 – 00:51:04:17 Speaker 2 It’s not just your food. It’s the you know, the beauty products you’re putting on your body. It’s the air you’re breathing. You know, there’s some things that are obviously out of our control, but I’m surprised to see some people are still smoking cigarets some people are still drinking alcohol like it’s a good thing for that. Me I’m protecting my DNA because if I can protect my DNA, I can protect myself and my cells will continue to flourish and replicate in a healthy state rather than a damaged state, if that makes sense. 00:51:04:17 – 00:51:28:04 Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that’s that’s the more I saw, the more I dug into the literature and research and the more people I interviewed and the more cancer patients I worked with and the more I experimented in my own life. I came to the same conclusion and I still believe a whole food nutrient dense, plant based diet is the best diet for majority of people on the planet. 00:51:28:14 – 00:51:54:00 Speaker 1 And people go, Oh, there’s not one diet for everybody. Yeah, but you got to remember a whole food nutrient dense, plant based diet literally means you have hundreds of thousands of options of it within that diet. Now, at your local grocery store, maybe you don’t have that many options, but we have that many food, you know, edible. And I would consider most a medicinal plant species on the planet. 00:51:54:00 – 00:52:15:01 Speaker 1 You might not have access to them. We have access to dozens, sometimes hundreds, certainly in in powders and things now as well. But Whole Foods, you can buy from the grocery store, you know, dozens and dozens of options and mix it in so many different ways. So, I mean, I still believe that, but I but I do and I will continue. 00:52:15:01 – 00:52:40:17 Speaker 1 I’m not a zealot and I’m not so closed minded. Right. It’s like I’m always seeking truth. And that’s one of my early spiritual mentors when I was 20 years old, really helped me become serious about like the dedication to always seeking truth. And even if that truth means that maybe what I believe to be true up until a certain point maybe is not the full truth. 00:52:40:17 – 00:52:59:04 Speaker 1 And maybe it’s wrong or partially wrong. And so, you know, when I see people saying, oh, I have these issues and I switch to Carnivore diet and they went away and I’m healthier than I’ve ever been. You know, these doctors promoting carnivore diet, they’re saying, hey, it’s healing these kinds of chronic health issues and people are getting better, their numbers are better, diseases are going away. 00:52:59:04 – 00:53:11:11 Speaker 1 And I’m seeing this more and more and more and more. I’m like, okay, I’m going to pay attention. I’m going to watch, I’m going to listen, I’m going to research it. I’m going to question it as much as I possibly can. I’m not going to close my mind to it. Five years ago, I closed my mind to it. 00:53:11:19 – 00:53:32:19 Speaker 1 You guys are still beyond what you’re talking about now. I’m like, No, I can’t be that way. I need to be open to everything attached to nothing. That’s a Buddhist principle taught to me by Buddhist monks in San Diego over a decade ago, open to everything, attached to nothing. And so so I have to question and be like, okay, so what’s really going on there? 00:53:33:07 – 00:53:53:12 Speaker 1 I do believe, Paul, you know, I’ll say this publicly. I believe Paul Saladino is a brilliant man, but I also think he’s stupid. And I don’t mean that in a in a I’m not attacking him. I’m saying I think you can be brilliant and stupid at the same time. And he may be on to something I don’t know. 00:53:53:23 – 00:54:18:24 Speaker 1 But when he comes out and then says, you know, it comes with all these claims that you should not eat plants because, you know, kale and bok choy and broccoli and legumes and beans and these things, they have anti nutrients and they don’t want to be eaten and they have lectins and they have all these, you know, things that that are bad for you and saying plants are bad for you shouldn’t eat them. 00:54:18:24 – 00:54:42:05 Speaker 1 That’s a stupid part like that, is it? Number one, there is zero evidence showing and you can look into the research and I’m sure you have because I have zero evidence. And in fact, evidence that does show if you eat a whole food, nutrient dense, plant based diet, those little tiny so-called anti nutrients don’t affect you in a way that would be important. 00:54:42:06 – 00:55:03:07 Speaker 1 Like they’re not. We’re talking minimal percentages of of calcium binding molecules that pull out, you know, a few percent of calcium. Well, when you’re getting lots of calcium through a nutrient diverse diet like we’re talking about, you don’t have to worry about it. An unhealthy vegan diet. You would have to worry about it if you’re eating Doritos and potato chips and garbage food. 00:55:03:07 – 00:55:26:24 Speaker 1 Yeah, you’ve got to worry about being lacking nutrients. Right. But you know, the other thing too is like the way we prepare foods and the way we’ve prepared foods for centuries and our ancestors have prepared plant foods for centuries and have done so safely and healthfully, removes most of those things anyway, like lectins and so forth, removes majority of it. 00:55:26:24 – 00:55:51:20 Speaker 1 Like when you cook beans fully, no one’s going to go eat a raw B, right? Like, would you? You’re going to break your teeth. People may undercooked it and then have excess lectins, but you don’t want undercooked. You cooked the beans until they’re soft and that’s something you would naturally do anyway. Well, guess what? You’ve just. Or if you soak the beans or soak the rice, you know, ahead of time, like people have done for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years, all of these. 00:55:51:20 – 00:56:12:12 Speaker 1 So anti nutrients are deactivated, majority of them. So that’s the part I say, well, yeah, you’re kind of stupid when you come out and maybe you’re on to something with the meat in the fruit. I don’t know because I don’t know any studies that we have that have looked at 20 or 30 have followed patients for 30 years on a carnivore diet the way that they teach it. 00:56:12:12 – 00:56:29:04 Speaker 1 Right. Most of studies we have people are on, let’s be honest, junk food, American diets, they eat a lot of meat, but they eat a lot of processed food, a lot of hamburgers from McDonald’s, a lot of garbage food. So we know there’s a lot of toxins and and, you know, all kinds of additives and all kinds of other junk in there, too. 00:56:29:16 – 00:56:46:07 Speaker 1 So, you know, that’s that’s where it’s like, okay, but we don’t have evidence, long term evidence to say this is good or bad for you. So I think you have to take it really carefully and with a grain of salt. And I think where the problem is, these people are coming out and saying plants are bad for you. 00:56:46:12 – 00:57:03:08 Speaker 1 You carnivore diets the way to go. You know, this is the only thing I might did. You’re like, I mean, maybe you’re leading millions of people down a path of devastation in ten or 20 years, you know? And then what about to do no harm, right. 00:57:03:08 – 00:57:29:24 Speaker 2 I definitely feel there is a lot of this versus that and a lot of confusion out there right. But I highly advise you, first of all, start with the simple aspect of what are you eating to begin with? Because if you are eating the standard American diet and you’re picking up, take out or drive thru every night, you don’t need to worry about meat versus plant. 00:57:29:24 – 00:57:52:17 Speaker 2 We’ve got somewhere else to start with. You. Right? So you got it like, you know, before everybody loves controversy, right? But but I want you to remember that anytime you engage yourself in controversy, you’re also increasing your own internal stress hormones, your cortisol. Right. So what happens then? You’re going into your own sympathetic psych response, right? What happens then? 00:57:52:17 – 00:58:14:24 Speaker 2 You’re decreasing anything you’re going to digest because digestion happens in your parasympathetic state. So if you’re creating this whole environment of this versus that in any aspect of your life, you’re losing the game. And I want you to win the game. So start with the simple aspects of it. So I think probably people would love to know Nathan and I’ll share what I did. 00:58:15:01 – 00:58:18:07 Speaker 2 What did you eat for lunch today? 00:58:18:07 – 00:58:38:22 Speaker 1 I made a green curry with tofu and sugar snap peas and brown rice with garlic and onion and a lot of good herbs and coconut water. 00:58:40:09 – 00:58:42:15 Speaker 2 Okay. And you didn’t invite me over for lunch, and. 00:58:42:15 – 00:58:44:08 Speaker 1 I know. I’m sorry. I’m sorry. 00:58:45:05 – 00:58:48:05 Speaker 2 I know you could have done this interview in person. 00:58:48:12 – 00:58:56:00 Speaker 1 It was so good. You know what? That’s a great idea. Why don’t we think of that? Next time we do it, we should do it in person. But anyway. 00:58:56:00 – 00:59:28:11 Speaker 2 So for me, lunch is usually my my salad sub, five cups of mixed greens, edamame. So I did have my, my story for the day. I believe there was some black rice in there and then a bunch of almost cubed and diced different veggies, which include included carrots, zucchini and cucumber, and then always topped with either nuts or seeds. 00:59:28:11 – 00:59:35:14 Speaker 2 So this this was a combination of cashews and hemp seeds with a green dressing like a homemade green sauce. 00:59:35:14 – 00:59:46:08 Speaker 1 You know what would have been amazing is that salad with my curry and my curry with your salad. Like, we split that half in half. That would have been perfect. You’re kidding me. 00:59:46:14 – 00:59:47:24 Speaker 2 Yes, we should do that. 00:59:49:14 – 01:00:06:02 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, I try to get normally when I make a curry, I actually put more veggies, but we were like running out of veggies. My wife hadn’t gone to the store yet. She literally went soy yesterday evening. And I made this dish yesterday at lunch, so I had some yesterday and today. Usually I’ll put more veggies in it actually. 01:00:06:02 – 01:00:28:10 Speaker 1 But literally the only fresh veggies I had were the peas. But I try to get, you know, anywhere. I mean, on the low end, I think days I might get four servings of veggies on a high end, six or seven. But I, you know, the way to get more veggies in for me is in the morning in my smoothies. 01:00:29:08 – 01:00:55:13 Speaker 1 I mean, I’d have green juice most mornings, but you’re not getting the fiber. I’m still getting the nutrients from the vegetable green juice. But then I’ll do a smoothie and I’ll put in like celery, cucumber. I’ll put in, you know, let’s just let’s say veggies right now, calorie, celery, cucumber, spinach and or kale. And I’ll put a good amount of each in or I’ll do carrots and I put fruit and other things in there too. 01:00:55:22 – 01:01:12:12 Speaker 1 But so that way I can get anywhere from, you know, about three servings just first thing in the morning in my smoothie. And then that way the rest of the day, it’s like I get one or two servings at lunch, one or two servings at dinner, and I’m already at like six or seven servings of veggies for the day. 01:01:12:12 – 01:01:13:22 Speaker 1 It makes it so much easier that way. 01:01:14:16 – 01:01:34:20 Speaker 2 Okay. I’m going to I’m going to give you a little bit of a challenge, Chair. I’m going to take my functional culinary medicine approach on you and combine some data. So in our data, we, we don’t want to be putting that whole of a food into our body. So hopefully you’re not adding ice or something to make it very cold because. 01:01:34:23 – 01:01:44:24 Speaker 1 That’s how hot it is. It depends how hot it is in the morning because yeah. Lately here in Jacksonville been insanely hot in the morning in my garage when I’m working. 01:01:44:24 – 01:02:19:18 Speaker 2 And you, I don’t want you to turn off that digestive fire or that agony that that you really want in order to digest all of these, like, raw foods. Because for for the people listening who go, oh, well, that I can do that in the morning, I can do that smoothie. And then all of a sudden and then I’m like, Well, now I’m not feeling well because I did this smoothie of all this raw stuff and it’s not something they’re used to eating right that then they blame the plants and it’s not the plant’s fault can be people who do not blame you blame your plant it’s just maybe the timing of that is not 01:02:19:18 – 01:02:42:20 Speaker 2 right for you, or maybe this is not the correct thing for your particular dosha per se, right? So for me, I always think about personalizing your your own profile of what you’re going to have for the morning and really taking the concept of these are the foods I eat for breakfast, these are the foods I eat for lunch, and these are the foods that I eat for dinner. 01:02:42:24 – 01:02:54:12 Speaker 2 And looking at which of these foods is better for your body at that particular time. So for me, you know, my body loves cooling foods just based off of my dosha, right? 01:02:54:15 – 01:02:58:01 Speaker 1 So anything if you find you must be fire like me. 01:02:58:01 – 01:03:34:15 Speaker 2 I’m like fire on the fire TV. Yeah, the cooling foods are going to be great, right? So cucumbers, watermelon, all all of those cooling foods are going to be great. But sometimes maybe if you’re imbalanced and you want some more warming foods. So like somebody who is not so fiery and maybe somebody who is slow and sluggish and has more of a cough auto show where they’re more slower and then they put this this smoothie in there that they cannot digest because it’s raw, uncooked food. 01:03:34:23 – 01:03:39:13 Speaker 2 They might be better off having a smoothie for breakfast. Like a cooked one. Like a vegetable. 01:03:39:17 – 01:03:58:22 Speaker 1 Like a vegetable soup. Yeah. Yeah. So my wife’s that way. She’s like, we’re opposite. So she’s, like, really cold all the time. I’m more warm, right? She wants more warm foods. I generally want more cooler foods. Depends on the temperature, too. Like if it’s warm out, like, I do not want warm food or like, like a hot soup or something. 01:03:58:22 – 01:04:21:21 Speaker 1 Like if it’s hot out, you know, but generally, yeah, so we have those, those opposites. But that’s how like she loves a warm something, you know, in the morning and I start with a warm drink in the morning like I do, I make a decaf latte with mushroom powder into cow first thing in the morning, but. 01:04:21:22 – 01:04:22:20 Speaker 2 Well, that sounds good. 01:04:23:07 – 01:04:39:14 Speaker 1 Yeah, it’s really good. That’s. Oh, but, but, but yeah, like you’re saying, it’s like learning what works for your body, at what time of the day. I also think what the temperature is too, I mean, it doesn’t make a difference because depending how the temperature is, depends like what I want to put in my body. 01:04:40:11 – 01:05:00:21 Speaker 2 So. So there is this concept, an area where you want to eat seasonally, right? So there’s a reason why in the summer we have more cooling foods like fruits and watermelons and why in the winter we have more pumpkins and sweet potatoes and all of this available to us. Obviously, this is going to vary across where you live, like in California. 01:05:00:21 – 01:05:17:13 Speaker 2 You can probably get anything any time of the year. Think temperature wise, right. So you want you want to look at where you’re living, what’s available. Not only is that food going to be better for you, it’s going to be fresher, meaning it’s going to have more nutrients because it didn’t have to travel miles and miles to get to you. 01:05:17:13 – 01:05:29:02 Speaker 2 Because if you’re trying to get fresh strawberries in New York City in the winter, I guarantee they’re coming from not in New York. FARMER But the California farmers and now Mexico. 01:05:29:15 – 01:05:52:08 Speaker 1 Come in from Mexico and Central America or South America, and they pick them way too. It’s like, I can’t eat strawberries. It sucks because, you know, unless it’s local or they’re seasonal because they taste so terrible when they’re out of season because they pick up so early, by the time they get to you, they ripen, but they there’s no flavor in them, you know, like they taste terrible. 01:05:53:00 – 01:06:19:11 Speaker 2 That that is a very good point. And I and I don’t think most people realize how good different foods can taste until they’ve tasted really good real food. Like, I know, avocados. I’m sorry. I’ve been spoiled. I’ve lived in California. So avocados from California are absolutely delicious. And in other places, they taste like absolutely nothing. You’re right. Same thing with strawberries, right? 01:06:19:20 – 01:07:00:24 Speaker 2 So try and buy locally whatever is available, that food is going to taste better. Another thing you just reminded me of is some of our big retail of ours that are selling produce. I was very disappointed to to say, since we’re talking about different foods, that sometimes in order for them to reach these far destinations, like if they’re coming from South America or they’re coming from the West coast to get to us, they are actually sprayed with chemicals in order to keep them looking fresh. 01:07:01:10 – 01:07:15:02 Speaker 2 Okay. What are those chemicals happens to be petroleum. And so the local peaches right now that we are getting in, the stores are drenched in petroleum in order to fill that lot. 01:07:15:03 – 01:07:21:23 Speaker 1 Some petroleum doesn’t love some petroleum on their fruit. Come on, patrol petroleum all day, all instead all day. 01:07:21:23 – 01:07:45:19 Speaker 2 And on the side of the box. And I really I really should take a picture of it because I was blown away that a more consumer friendly retailer was doing this. And I’m like, Well, that’s quite disappointing. So I think at the end of the day, once again, we go back to the less you know, the more you are controlled. 01:07:46:05 – 01:07:53:09 Speaker 2 Therefore learn as much as you can and don’t get overwhelmed by it, but apply a little bit every day. 01:07:54:04 – 01:08:18:18 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s a good point. So what do you think about, you know, obviously promoting a whole food plant based diet, a healthy version. So I always have to qualify a healthy version of a vegan diet because like vegan can mean so many things and so many people and it can’t just because it’s vegan doesn’t mean it’s healthy. 01:08:18:18 – 01:08:39:00 Speaker 1 So that’s why it’s it it sucks. But I always have to qualify when I’m talking about it. Talk about a whole food nutrient as like real food biodiverse diet. Like think about a salad that you just shared with us. I mean, in that alone, you had, you know, nuts and seeds and vegetables and I think some healthy fats in there. 01:08:39:00 – 01:09:19:06 Speaker 1 You had, you know, just different colors in there, different kinds of veggies and nuts and seeds in there, and just one salad alone. And you’re mixing and increasing that diverse ity throughout all of your meals throughout the day. But just because we say vegan or even plant based doesn’t necessarily mean it’s healthy. This big push, you know, these these fake vegan meats and people who are like, yeah, I want to go vegan because I heard it’s healthier, I want to go vegan, I heard it helps the planet or I wanna go vegan because I actually like animals and I don’t want to kill them, you know, or, or whatever the reason is. 01:09:19:18 – 01:09:41:23 Speaker 1 But then you go down a vegan or plant based path and you end up buying all of these fake meats because they taste delicious. They look like something you’re similar to. You’ve been eating. They look and taste kind of like meat. But what are your thoughts on on the vegan fake meat should people eat them or should they avoid them? 01:09:43:06 – 01:10:16:14 Speaker 2 Processed is processed is processed no matter whether it’s a processed vegan meat or a processed actual meat. Hot dog. Right. So processed food is the category that you want to stay a very far, far away from, no matter no matter what. And I know that companies are trying to find a happy medium between what the standard American diet is and really getting people to a Whole Foods diet. 01:10:16:14 – 01:10:38:12 Speaker 2 But at the end of the day, those burgers or chicken nuggets or whatever that are made from ingredients that aren’t really identifiable or made in a lab is still processed. Right? So nothing wrong with eating a veggie burger. But imagine if you made your own veggie burger with black beans, quinoa, maybe sweet potato, put some spices in it. 01:10:38:14 – 01:10:58:18 Speaker 2 And that’s your burger. Not something that I like personally. I don’t even like the texture of those things. I find it very strange and I used to be a meat eater. I absolutely did. I remember when I finished my board exam decades ago, what did all of us do after our board exam? We all went to the steak house and we had a big piece of stick. 01:10:58:18 – 01:11:20:19 Speaker 2 Each of us I remember it like it was yesterday. It was decades ago. But but at the end of the day, it’s still processed, right? So that goes back to a Whole Foods plant based and as much as possible. And I know on your good day you’re at six that my challenge was going to be to try and get you to ten a day. 01:11:21:04 – 01:11:27:13 Speaker 2 I really challenge you to look at ten servings veggies and fruits a day. 01:11:28:05 – 01:11:30:05 Speaker 1 Ten the ten of each. 01:11:30:20 – 01:11:32:00 Speaker 2 No, ten to get there. 01:11:32:01 – 01:11:49:06 Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I get two, I get ten together. Yeah, yeah, I get ten together. I was just I was just seeing how many veggies that I get in a day? How many vegetables which I’d get between four to 4 to 7 usually, but fruits. Same thing. I’ll, I’ll, I’ll get at least four to a day of fruit. 01:11:50:15 – 01:12:16:17 Speaker 1 Blueberries. Blueberries are my favorite. I put blueberries in everything. I put them in my smoothie. I put fresh blueberries in my in my oats. But I do, you know, bananas and oranges and Mandarin and when my wife gets mangoes, fresh mangoes and cuts them up and they’re ripe, oh, there’s nothing better than a good, ripe, fresh mango. You’re kidding me. 01:12:16:17 – 01:12:48:10 Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I love fruit. Who doesn’t love fruit? Like when you when you start to you know, I used to be addicted to sugar processed sugar ice cream like I could eat. So much ice cream. I get so many candy bars, I get so much, you know, processed sugar, junk food and obviously never feel satiated. But as I started back in 2007 or 2008 when I did my first cleanse and then, you know, went five days without food and basically just water and lemon juice and things like that. 01:12:48:10 – 01:13:07:14 Speaker 1 And then I started getting really in tune with my with my body and my digestive system and kind of coming out of that cleanse and then starting to research health and nutrition and then doing more and more cleanses. So like the more that I cut, the more time I had away from those processed sugars, the the lessened. I felt called to eat them. 01:13:07:23 – 01:13:25:15 Speaker 1 And over time, like when I always had ice cream in the freezer, I mean, I’ll go months now, I’ll go years without ice. Like, no desire to have ice cream if I like. The other day I was like, Oh, I’m going to make some ice cream. And I make like frozen strawberries with frozen mango and throw a banana in there, splash orange juice, blend it up. 01:13:25:15 – 01:13:41:13 Speaker 1 And it’s like, that’s the most delicious ice cream you could ever have, you know, versus these tubs, ice cream with so much processed sugar in it, where I used to be addicted to. Like I had to eat tons and tons of it I have no desire. Like it is so hyper powdered, really sweet that I have no desire for it. 01:13:41:13 – 01:14:02:10 Speaker 1 I’m sharing that because the more you clean in my case and many others I’ve talked to, the more you clean out your body, the more fresh foods you put in, the less and less of these, you know, hyper palatable super sweet, you know, delicious foods, fake foods that you put in. It’s like the less you want them. I have no desire to eat many of those foods anymore. 01:14:02:10 – 01:14:18:19 Speaker 1 And if I do like I wasn’t potato chips or something, it’s like once in a blue moon. Like, I’m not so strict, like, oh, I can’t have some potato chips once a month, you know, on a trip traveling somewhere or whatever. I’ll let myself have that, but I’ll eat a couple of handfuls and I’m done. Like I can’t eat anymore and I’m good for like a month or two, you know? 01:14:19:20 – 01:14:30:17 Speaker 1 And that’s possible for everybody. If you do what you’re telling is clean out your body by starting to implement more of these healthier foods into your diet. Is that what you found as well? 01:14:31:14 – 01:14:54:05 Speaker 2 I did it, yeah. And actually, palate is so clean now that if somebody tries to give me a salad and it’s not organic greens, I can taste the pesticides. I can taste the chemicals on food. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think the message really here is that you give your body a chance to kind of clean itself up. 01:14:54:15 – 01:15:19:05 Speaker 2 Because one of the things people don’t realize is that the symptoms that the cells are angry and they’re getting bloating or they’re having skin issues or they’re having headaches or whatever they might be experiencing that those aren’t normal. Like it’s not normal to be bloated after a meal. It’s not normal to feel like you have a migraine coming on because you eat a meal. 01:15:19:09 – 01:15:51:23 Speaker 2 There’s something going on and this is your opportunity to, hey, I need to listen to my body. I need to talk to somebody who can help me understand what’s going on in my body because I feel people spend so time suffering in pain, whatever kind of pain they’re dealing with and all their different symptoms. And they just go on with their day because they have to go to work and they have to do this and time passes by and they ignore this stuff to a point where then they can’t ignore it anymore. 01:15:51:23 – 01:16:21:21 Speaker 2 Now they’ve ended up in a doctor’s office or they ended up in a hospital. Right? So I want you to start being really more mindful about what you’re doing with your body. And that really comes back to loving yourself, having self-respect, self-love and self-care. And, you know, my hashtag is hashtag self-care is self-care. So always incorporating that aspect and loving on yourself and taking care of your body. 01:16:21:21 – 01:16:43:10 Speaker 1 So you said bloating after a meal is not normal, even though it probably is normal for most people. But you shouldn’t. But what you’re saying is you shouldn’t have lots of bloating after a meal. But what about gas? Like nicer bloating where it’s stuck in all this stuff, but it’s like you just have gas throughout the day. What’s your thought on gas? 01:16:43:18 – 01:16:50:17 Speaker 1 Because I’ve I’ve interviewed some interesting scientists on this and I have an interesting perspective, but I want to know what you think about it. 01:16:50:17 – 01:17:17:15 Speaker 2 Yeah. So gas, basically, this is a byproduct of how your microbiome is functioning and it’s being influenced by the food you eat. Now, some people might have gas when they eat vegetables. Some people might have gas when they eat beans, right? That Just means that your microbiome doesn’t have the ability to break down those nutrients the way it needs to. 01:17:17:19 – 01:17:39:13 Speaker 2 I mean, these are foods that I eat all the time and I know other people who eat a lot of plant don’t have a problem with gas. Right. So this is about understanding that your microbiome, in order for you to eat those foods, will need some time to adjust and change. In addition to be able to break those down, you have to look at all your other organs that are responsible for breaking down food. 01:17:39:13 – 01:18:00:24 Speaker 2 So not just your microbiome. Are you missing a gallbladder? First of all, have you had surgery? All right. So how is your bile production? How is your pancreatic lactase production? How is the acid in your stomach? So you want to look at all these different factors before you go, oh, okay. That I just it means I have gas. 01:18:02:05 – 01:18:31:21 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Because I, you know, I’ve come to the conclusion that gas is actually if you just have gas like you pass gas throughout the day, I would say normally like that’s actually a healthy sign of a healthy gut. And the reason being, and I’ve interviewed a gut scientist with the hydrogen specialty in his background on this particular topic. 01:18:32:03 – 01:19:02:02 Speaker 1 And one of the things that he brought to my attention that I went and reviewed a lot of the science on it is how important hydrogen is to so many functions in the body and the gas that we produce in our intestines is full of hydrogen. So it’s our bodies way of making hydrogen. And that hydrogen then gets sent to the cells where then those cells, I mean to produce hydrogen is necessary for producing ATP at a cellular in our bodies, which is essential for energy production. 01:19:02:02 – 01:19:21:15 Speaker 1 Right, essential for thousands of different mechanisms of action within the body. And so, you know, one of the things he said is like, look, if you’re farting like that’s a good thing. It means you’re actually having a healthy, you know, digestive system. Your body’s producing hydrogen like it needs to to keep the cells alive and functioning and producing ATP. 01:19:22:11 – 01:19:33:01 Speaker 1 So it changed my perspective about gas where I was like, Oh, maybe I shouldn’t be farting or it’s bad. It’s like, well, actually from that perspective, it’s a healthy thing to do. I don’t know, what do you think? 01:19:33:02 – 01:19:48:20 Speaker 2 But you didn’t mention it. The gas had a smell to it like a sulfur based smell or anything like that. Right. So are we just talking about gas with or without a actual scent to interesting question. 01:19:48:20 – 01:20:15:14 Speaker 1 So in so we’re getting really personal here. Now, in my personal case, majority, my gas does not smell and that’s a fact. Now, that didn’t used to be the case. But Major, I would say 80 to 90% of it, they may be loud, my kids may laugh about it, but they don’t smell. And I and I’ve said it a hundred times and they agree once in a while. 01:20:15:14 – 01:20:36:07 Speaker 1 And oftentimes it’s like, you know, and I kind know where it came from was like, oh, I ate that thing that didn’t really sit well in my stomach. For some reason there was something weird or weird combination, or maybe it was old or something right where it’s like it smells for, you know, maybe ten or 15 minutes while, you know, fart a few times and then it’s gone. 01:20:36:07 – 01:20:43:08 Speaker 1 It’s like my body processed it. But I’d say 80 or 90% of the gas that I do pass doesn’t smell at all like nobody could smell it. 01:20:44:02 – 01:21:08:24 Speaker 2 Okay, so, so I do believe there’s a difference there between whether it’s just the body’s process of making the gas in order to break down the food versus it’s now making it. And most people think when you have gas, it’s it’s more of like a smelly gas, right? So that’s where I would be more concerned that. Oh, we need to look at what’s going on in your digestion. 01:21:08:24 – 01:21:16:21 Speaker 1 When it’s smell, if it’s if it’s smelling. Yes. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Let’s say you’re farting all the time and it smells terrible the time it’s. 01:21:17:06 – 01:21:22:21 Speaker 2 It’s about good gas. Really talks about good or non smelly gas. So I thought you were asking me. 01:21:24:07 – 01:21:44:04 Speaker 1 Well, that’s I mean, I haven’t had this conversation very many people. So I’m like, hey, let’s, let’s talk about it because I’m interested in, you know, let’s talk about farts for a little bit because yeah. From like again, for me personally as an athlete who burns 5000 calories a day, I have to eat so much food, otherwise I lose weight. 01:21:44:16 – 01:22:11:13 Speaker 1 And on a plant based diet, that can be challenging. It can be challenging to keep up with the demands, the caloric demands of my body, of one of my athletic goals, what I’m working towards. And if you can imagine trying to eat 5000 calories a day on a whole food plant based diet, I mean, the amount of fiber, but the amount of mixing of foods you have to do and the amount of, you know, it’s like, you know, huge plates of food and things like that. 01:22:11:13 – 01:22:31:20 Speaker 1 It can be challenging. The last few weeks I’ve been like just taking a break, like not eating as much. I dropped £7 in two weeks and I spent three months building up that extra body weight intentionally. And then boom, I just don’t eat like one meal a day. And then in two weeks it’s like, boom, £7 gone. For some people. 01:22:31:20 – 01:23:13:00 Speaker 1 I’d be like, Oh my God, I wish I had that. For me, I’m like, No, I want that seven. Pounds But because of them, yeah. So, you know, like my kid and, and, you know, this new brand I’ve started plant powered athletes. So it’s a whole audience of people who want to achieve higher athletic potential as athletes, but doing it in a healthy way with a plant approach, you know, they’re going to have similar issues versus my main audience and your main audience, you know, that I’ve been working with for over a decade and you’ve for decades it’s primarily people dealing with chronic health conditions already cancer, diabetes, etc. or you know, in the later 01:23:13:00 – 01:23:25:03 Speaker 1 years of life and experience, a lot of fatigue and symptoms and problems. It’s a it’s a different concerning issue altogether. But it’s still interesting to look at opposite sides of that spectrum right? Yeah. 01:23:25:08 – 01:23:58:14 Speaker 2 Where it’s mostly I had locally a cooking class at one of the cooking studios here where. We did cooking classes specifically for athletes for high protein plant based meals so they could learn how to incorporate plant based protein into their different meals and to get enough specifically for athletes, right? Yeah. Yeah. So so that’s where it once again, it comes around like use your kitchen as your lab, right? 01:23:58:14 – 01:24:17:21 Speaker 2 Experiment with what’s going to work for you and what your end goals are. Maybe we have a spectrum of people whose goals are to not deal with chronic disease, and then maybe we have individuals who are looking to more advanced to their health. Maybe the people who are right in the middle who are like, I just want to live longer and live my best life. 01:24:18:02 – 01:24:20:06 Speaker 1 And not have so much smelly gas. 01:24:21:03 – 01:24:22:10 Speaker 2 Yes, they’re a little. 01:24:22:10 – 01:24:24:21 Speaker 1 Longer and not have so much. Yes. Yeah. 01:24:26:04 – 01:24:31:04 Speaker 2 A place for everyone to to eat more plants. There’s really a place for that. 01:24:32:00 – 01:24:43:16 Speaker 1 Speaking of. I just did a video this morning about do you know Novak or do you know of Novak Djokovic? It’s like arguably like the number one tennis player right now, probably arguably one of the best. 01:24:43:21 – 01:25:01:03 Speaker 2 You realize what a big tennis player I am. I used to play at the USTA. I don’t know your tennis fan. Federer, of course, is my favorite, but I would love to hear what your conversation about Novak. He’s maybe like my third favorite, but. 01:25:01:22 – 01:25:25:14 Speaker 1 Yeah, so I said arguably the best player in history, right? It depends who you talk to. Anyway, top of his game, one of the best athletes in the world, 2010 was having asthma, health issues, energy issues. And he wasn’t doing that. Is still a pro player, but not doing that great. I met with a doctor. Doctor put him on a primarily plant based diet. 01:25:25:14 – 01:25:51:19 Speaker 1 They did some emotional healing as well. He doesn’t talk as much about the emotional part. He talks mostly about the diet, but at first he got out, dairy gluten got out, all the milk and cheese got out, all the wheat and the gluten and processed sugar. All the things you’ve been talking about started feeling better and then got all the red meat out and basically went to primarily plant based or like I called plant powered diet as an athlete. 01:25:51:19 – 01:26:23:07 Speaker 1 And the rest is history from over the next 13 years has become, you know, one of one of the most dominant players in tennis and he gives a lot of the credit to his improved health and performance, to the plant based diet that he’s been on. Point being, here’s an athlete who, one, is dominating and achieving peak health potential into his late thirties on a plant based diet. 01:26:23:07 – 01:26:46:15 Speaker 1 But he primarily does like a lot. He does a lot of fruits, he does a lot of vegetables, does a lot of salads. He does warm lemon water first thing in the morning, which we know is amazing for digestion, getting the digestive juices going first thing in the morning. He does smoothies and he does a lot of like sweet potato and wild rice and quinoa and things like that. 01:26:46:15 – 01:26:59:08 Speaker 1 And talking about athletes, there’s a lot of them. But here’s one I was literally researching, doing a video on today who, you know, has been it wasn’t like two years ago. It’s been like years now. 01:26:59:08 – 01:27:23:22 Speaker 2 I think it’s pretty amazing. No, I recall when that information came out and he shared about his diet and stuff and I’m like, you joined the enlightened, right? Because once you you can see the difference in how your body can function. And I think when when people are going towards more plant based, they get confused and lost because they don’t feel good right away. 01:27:24:04 – 01:28:02:16 Speaker 2 Or instead of really going whole foods, they have incorporated these processed cheeses, processed burgers which aren’t really plants and then going, oh, being plant based or being vegan is not good. My body didn’t like it. I felt very tired and fatigued, my iron levels dropped and all that stuff. It really working with somebody who understands plant based nutrition and tests your blood to see what does your body need, understand and more about what your goals are and is really looking at your whole picture. 01:28:02:16 – 01:28:26:16 Speaker 2 Because the last thing we need is for somebody to develop an eating disorder around me versus plants. Right? Because we don’t want to create eating disorders out of I’m trying to help people and really just looking at the full picture, looking at your genetics. Right. So some people can’t metabolize certain nutrients, so they might need more emphasis on certain foods. 01:28:26:16 – 01:28:49:05 Speaker 2 For example, vitamin D, vitamin D is one that my body does not metabolize as efficiently. So even if I’m out in the sun all the time, I mean, we live in Florida, right? My body doesn’t have the ability to make as much vitamin D as it should. So I’m making sure that I’m getting vitamin D, rich foods. I’m also making sure I’m supplementing to get to the level I want to. 01:28:49:11 – 01:29:16:20 Speaker 2 All right. So really looking at that personalized approach, looking at your genes, at your lifestyle, looking at your environment and looking at what do you want to accomplish. So for a plant powered athlete, right. So you’re looking at your 5000 calories in a day. I’m going to give you a new challenge that I want you to look at how balanced that is with other plant powered athletes. 01:29:17:02 – 01:29:48:09 Speaker 2 Right. Because this is a great thing to look at, is somebody else who’s a six foot tall like you. What what are they consuming? Because as professional athletes, more than likely, they’re not preparing their own meals. They have somebody that’s very curating what, breakfast, lunch, dinner, snacks? I mean, you see it with Nadal on the court. He’s got his his different drinks lined up and he has the different things in between sets that he’s always taking down. 01:29:48:09 – 01:30:02:24 Speaker 2 This is what an athlete does. Right. And so if you’re entering in this journey and now, you know, we went from chronic diseases to talking about athletes, working with the people who understand everything you need is going to be your key to getting to where you want to go. 01:30:03:09 – 01:30:24:16 Speaker 1 Mm hmm. Yeah, that’s a point a lot. I think some of the things I still need to fine tune. I mean, I’ve been doing I’ve been, you know, an athlete most of my life, but plant plant based since thousand ten. So 13 years we’re recording this and a really serious athlete for the last six years. So since 2017. 01:30:25:06 – 01:30:49:08 Speaker 1 And so I’m you know, and I’ve learned a lot like most of the plant based diet I was familiar with was more longevity, disease prevention, health in general versus a, you know, building for my sport for CrossFit, like you have to have a certain amount of mass body mass, certain amount of muscle, a certain amount of ability to move heavy objects through space at fast distances. 01:30:49:16 – 01:31:28:21 Speaker 1 And you have to have a high metabolic capacity. You have to have very high ability with cardiovascular potential to run a five minute mile and lift £500 at the same time. Like that’s what this sport is. It’s like about can you create yourself as a super human being? And to me that’s interesting. It’s like, that’s really cool. If I could do that, naturally, do it, you know, on a plant based diet and, and learn all these really cool, fun things in the process gymnastics and cycling and swimming and weightlifting and all other creative, fun stuff we get to do, walk on our hands and, you know, swim open water and do all kinds of stuff. 01:31:28:21 – 01:31:53:02 Speaker 1 So like to me that’s really fascinating. And at the same time, the approach for, you know, building muscle in size and strength and recovery is still similar to I found with longevity in disease prevention. But it’s also different. Like I wouldn’t advise one of our cancer patients or anyone in our cancer coaching program that we have, the cancer clients that we have. 01:31:53:02 – 01:32:02:19 Speaker 1 Like I wouldn’t put them on the exact same diet that I’m on. It would not make sense for someone with cancer, but the principles are the same, right? The Whole Foods. 01:32:03:03 – 01:32:03:11 Speaker 2 Are the. 01:32:03:11 – 01:32:09:14 Speaker 1 Organic, the plant based, the, you know, but even so, there’s going to be some some differences. 01:32:09:16 – 01:32:30:21 Speaker 2 No, no, no, no. There there’s significantly different. Okay. So principles that are the same stick with Whole Foods plant based as much as possible. Right. But when we’re thinking of a athlete, we’re thinking of are they’re doing this much physical activity in the day, right. So they are burning through fuel, they’re sweating. They need a different types of electrolytes. 01:32:30:21 – 01:32:58:24 Speaker 2 They pre-workout nutrients. They need post-workout nutrients. Because when you’re working out, what is your body doing? The muscle is breaking and rebuilding. Breaking and rebuilding, right. So that is a very traumatic process on the body. If you are not also taking into consideration recovery and recovery comes both from your nutrients, but it also comes from all the other things you’re doing in your life. 01:32:58:24 – 01:33:22:19 Speaker 2 Right. So infrared sauna is great for recovery. Simply great for recovery, right? Myofascial release great for recovery. So we’re thinking about all these different aspects when we’re taking a personalized approach. Now, somebody who’s dealing with cancer possibly does not have the best diet in the sense that they don’t even have an appetite because they might be going through treatments. 01:33:22:19 – 01:33:51:10 Speaker 2 Right. So trying to get nutrients into them is going to be a 100% different approach, right? Because, one, you’re tired, you’re fatigue, you’re fatigued from your treatments. Right? So the last thing you want to do is go in the kitchen and try and make a healthy so their entire menu becomes something simplified that they can do that is not going to expend more energy and instead give them the energy they need from the food, right? 01:33:52:01 – 01:34:00:21 Speaker 2 So everybody is personalized wherever they are in their whole health journey. But at the end of the day, I will always say eat more plants. 01:34:02:07 – 01:34:23:24 Speaker 1 Yeah. Especially when you’re trying to gain weight like this guy on a plant based diet. I got to eat more plants every day. Thanks for reminding me. Cool. What the time has flown by what’s already? Already almost time to wrap up. So do you have a cookbook for people that people can buy? 01:34:23:24 – 01:34:50:09 Speaker 2 I do. I do. I have a free cookbook on my website doctor, have an outcome that they can download and it’s 20 plant based gluten free recipes from anything from lunches, dinners to even snacks that you can make. My popular, gut friendly chocolate chip cookie recipe is one of the most made and downloadable recipes. I recommend you get that. 01:34:50:12 – 01:34:57:20 Speaker 2 Yeah, everybody needs a good chocolate chip cookie, but maybe a gut friendly one and a gut brain friendly one. It would be a better way to do it. 01:34:57:20 – 01:35:08:18 Speaker 1 And that’s Dr. Bonneau account d r b h A.T. dot com. And people can download that. Where, where do they download it. 01:35:09:08 – 01:35:28:02 Speaker 2 Yeah. So, so that’s soon as you get to my website, it will be your pop up on my website. So you catch up, do that. I also have available if you want to learn how your body works more, you can get my bestselling book, The Anatomy of Well-Being, and that is also on my website. But you can find it at Amazon. 01:35:28:17 – 01:35:33:01 Speaker 2 And if you are not ready to read all that, it’s a thick one. 01:35:33:12 – 01:35:47:20 Speaker 1 It’s a good it’s a good book. I have I have it. I recommend people get it seriously. It’s a it’s a good book. It’s very in-depth, covers a lot of ground diet, nutrition, lifestyle, functional approach. I highly recommend. 01:35:48:02 – 01:35:48:20 Speaker 2 Everything. 01:35:48:21 – 01:35:49:08 Speaker 1 Yeah, I highly. 01:35:49:08 – 01:36:08:00 Speaker 2 Recommend every single page in there. Covers it covers a lot. And it’s not one of those books you’re going to want to look on Kindle because it’s literally one of the ones you’re going to want to highlight based off of where you are in your health journey. So having the paper version of that is going to be really helpful and the audiobook will be coming out later this year. 01:36:08:00 – 01:36:16:23 Speaker 2 So you can listen in and walk and listen with me at the same time to kind of get another another dose of it. 01:36:16:23 – 01:36:33:15 Speaker 1 That’s awesome. Sweet. Well, Monisha, thank you for taking the time. We covered a lot of different things and I feel like the time just flew by and I still have like 20 other things I want to talk to you about. So we’ll have to do this again in the future. 01:36:34:12 – 01:36:41:01 Speaker 2 We’ll do it again. We’ll do it in person. Make me some tofu curry. I’ll bring you a salad. I think that sounds like the plan. 01:36:41:17 – 01:36:45:04 Speaker 1 That’s awesome. All right. Well, thanks so much. Take care, everybody Explore additional stories about optimal health at https://nathancrane.com/ Join me in this conversation with the brilliant Dr. Monisha Bhanote, a quintuple board-certified physician. Dr.Bhanote brings a wealth of knowledge on holistic well-being, specializing in cancer, chronic health issues, and much more. We delve deep into the intricacies of health and healing from an integrative and functional standpoint. Discover how to regain control of your well-being, re energize your life, and achieve optimal health. 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