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00:00:00:01 – 00:00:32:22
Nathan Crane
Today we are joined by Dr. Tim Jackson. Dr. Jackson received his undergraduate degree in health, science and chemistry from Wake Forest University in 2003. He completed his doctorate in physical therapy from the Medical University of South Carolina in 2009. And he specializes in nutritional biochemistry, digestive health and its systemic effects, as well as functional endocrinology. He interviewed me on his podcast recently, all about cancer and the science behind cancer and what you can do to empower your body to fight against cancer.

00:00:32:22 – 00:00:47:01
Nathan Crane
That is the Boss Body podcast. Go check out that episode and go subscribe to his podcast. It’s a good one. Tim Hey man, awesome to have you here on the podcast, dude. I’m excited about talking with you here.

00:00:48:04 – 00:00:58:21
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah, thanks, Nathan. I really appreciate being here and I appreciate all the work you’re doing. I, I’ve followed you for several years now and you’re doing great work and putting out content like a machine.

00:00:59:18 – 00:01:29:07
Nathan Crane
Thanks, dude. I appreciate it. We need it right here. We need good science backed research and education about health and about empowering ourselves to fight against disease, avoid disease, and really live our best lives, I think are our achieve our peak potential, you know, optimize our human performance with, like I said, science backed information that is not just theoretical but actually applied in everyday life.

00:01:29:07 – 00:01:49:05
Nathan Crane
And that’s what I do. I know that’s what you do as well. And so, you know, the more we can do it, but I think the more people we can help and sift through a lot of the confusing information out there. But dude, I’m excited to have you on the podcast. I want to learn more about your life and what you’ve gone through.

00:01:49:05 – 00:02:11:17
Nathan Crane
And then also, I mean, you work with athletes. I want to get into that helping athletes optimize their performance. I know you help people with hormones and optimizing their hormones. I know you also have your own journey, your own kind of health healing journey with Lyme disease. I want to talk about that. So, yeah, if you don’t mind, let’s start there.

00:02:12:15 – 00:02:21:21
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I was reading about your story that you, you know, were having different health issues, I think going through college and then fine. And then eventually you were diagnosed with Lyme. Can you talk about that?

00:02:22:24 – 00:02:47:07
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yes. So when I was an undergrad at Wake Forest, you know, very tough school academically. So I was burning the candle at both ends. I worked as an R.A., as physiology tutor or as a gross anatomy tutor. I was involved in a lot of extracurriculars on top of, you know, my full course load. And typically you have two science labs per semester, which takes up quite a bit of time.

00:02:48:00 – 00:03:07:10
Dr.Tim Jackson
But I had a jaw surgery which I now know to have been unnecessary. But when you’re 23, 21 and they tell you, hey, you don’t have this surgery, you’re not going to have any teeth left by the time you’re 30 years old, you know, you get pretty scared. And I’m like, Oh, well, yeah, but definitely schedule a surgery.

00:03:07:11 – 00:03:31:09
Dr.Tim Jackson
So I had the surgery done during my winter break of my senior year at undergrad, and it was an eight just over an eight hour surgery. They broke both my maxilla, upper jaw and mandible, lower jaw added some screws. But long story short, it all could have been done with oral appliance, too. I had, you know, a small fraction of the cost, none of the invasiveness.

00:03:31:16 – 00:04:08:10
Dr.Tim Jackson
And one thing I’ll post in there is that people don’t realize is when you put a foreign material into the body, if your immune system responds to that, it’s kind of creating a chronic fight or flight state. And so we have tests that used to be one called the Clifford Dental Materials Tests no longer available. Now I think oral DNA might offer a good test for dental materials, but basically you don’t want to put a material in that’s going to cause your immune system to constantly be activated because then you end up with sort of immune cell exhaustion.

00:04:08:21 – 00:04:38:07
Dr.Tim Jackson
But that surgery knocked me on my butt when I began college. I started working out and I was pretty consistent, you know, five, sometimes six days a week. And I went from £129 to £186 in a year. Now, some of that was pizza and chocolate milk, but most of it was protein and healthy food and working out. But I went from basically like pressing £500 to barely being able to walk and.

00:04:38:12 – 00:04:45:18
Nathan Crane
You know, so you get so just so I’m clear, at £126 body weight, you say 120, six.

00:04:46:15 – 00:04:47:08
Dr.Tim Jackson
Hundred 29.

00:04:47:16 – 00:04:49:24
Nathan Crane
Hundred 29. And how tall are you or how tall were you?

00:04:51:03 – 00:04:51:21
Dr.Tim Jackson
Five. Five.

00:04:52:05 – 00:04:56:23
Nathan Crane
Okay, so 195 five. And you are leg pressing £500 at 129.

00:04:58:08 – 00:05:02:07
Dr.Tim Jackson
Oh, no. And so I was like when I was closer to 170.

00:05:02:16 – 00:05:17:08
Nathan Crane
Okay, so so you had already gotten stronger. You added some body weight. You know, that’s still very impressive. You know, it’s impressive. Like President 500 170. Gotcha. And then but anyway, so you had already gained and then all of a sudden. Right. It started just deteriorating. Yeah.

00:05:18:02 – 00:05:44:03
Dr.Tim Jackson
Exactly. And so, you know, not only that, my cognition, like my memory went from being amazing. Like one thing. People always complimented me on my memory and that, you know, went away, which is not typical. And then I had all these other issues that went from subclinical where it may show up once or twice a year on every four months like that, to being present constantly.

00:05:44:16 – 00:06:06:14
Dr.Tim Jackson
And so that was sort of a wakeup call for me that, okay, you know, I knew I wasn’t making this up in my head. You don’t go from being a high performer academically, athletically, to just saying, Oh, I’m going to fabricate an illness in your head. So, you know, when they said, oh, it’s psychosomatic, I’m like, now it’s not psychosomatic.

00:06:06:24 – 00:06:36:21
Dr.Tim Jackson
And so that was a huge wake up call for me and that got me interested in, you know, all quote unquote, alternative healing. But being in the southeastern United States and this was back I graduated undergrad in 2003. So functional medicine wasn’t nearly what it is today, but I was able to eventually, about two years later, find an EMT who didn’t do surgery anymore, and he focused on heavy metal toxicity.

00:06:36:21 – 00:06:45:18
Dr.Tim Jackson
And Candida and we know there’s a lot more to health than that. But, hey, when that’s all you have, it’s a lot better than the alternative.

00:06:45:23 – 00:07:07:23
Nathan Crane
Those are two of the big ones. By the way, I have an entire presentation I’m finishing up which covers the nine major toxins we’re exposed to. We have to get out of our body every day if we want to avoid diseases like cancer and, you know, metabolic dysfunction. But two of those two are really, really big ones. Actually, if you just focus on those two, you can see some good results.

00:07:09:01 – 00:07:25:11
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah. And I had someone I’ve had several people say, well, don’t you think it’s kind of odd that you’re saying like all these people have? Candida I said I just go where the evidence takes me. Like, it’s not odd that I’m saying it. It’s kind of like saying it’s odd that you say that there’s a lot of obesity.

00:07:25:17 – 00:07:50:03
Dr.Tim Jackson
Well, I mean, that’s because there is. Right. And, you know, if you have mercury that’s going to drag the immune system down so that it can DNA. GROSS And by the way, I’ll save the listeners and viewers about $30,000. Don’t treat Candida until you treated the mercury or at least treat them simultaneously on because I got I.V. therapy and might be TMI, but I read it.

00:07:50:03 – 00:08:26:09
Dr.Tim Jackson
But look to be like a jellyfish, essentially because I was born on a C-section, I wasn’t breastfed and then I was on antibiotics throughout childhood and even in undergrad, I would go in for an ear infection and I saw the head of the EMT department and this is a top 25 medical school. He was putting me on fluoroquinolones level one, things like that for a middle ear infection and all I really needed was to heal my gut lining to prevent, you know, mucosa and plaque building up and the fluid in the middle of my ear.

00:08:27:06 – 00:08:50:21
Dr.Tim Jackson
But all those antibiotics created massive yeast overgrowth, and that was part of what caused the brain fog. Now, I still was able to graduate with a good GPA and honors and everything, but I had to work harder than I would have at I gotten my free and can’t get out. And so I was able that got me well enough to start my doctorate program.

00:08:51:11 – 00:09:15:23
Dr.Tim Jackson
And, you know, I’m very type-A, very driven, like many people in this field. And so, you know, it can be a blessing and a curse and, you know, I notice when I over work that some of my symptoms would resurface. So I started, you know, gradually reading journals and things like the Townsend letter on the Internet. I mean, obviously it was there, but not to the extent that it is today where you cannot practically find anything.

00:09:17:01 – 00:09:49:07
Dr.Tim Jackson
And so as I learn more, I would apply it to my cell. And so I started getting things, just experimenting with things like I’ve got them and see where to find questions. I realized I was estrogen dominant and man, that was a huge one. You know, a lot of guys, I mean, it applies to males and females, but guys especially we call estrogen dominance the career killer because it just tanks your motivation, your zest for life and for guys out there that think, okay, you just need to keep raising your testosterone higher and higher and higher.

00:09:49:18 – 00:10:20:17
Dr.Tim Jackson
But you can do that. But if it’s if you’re inflamed and it’s hyper converting into estrogen, it’s going to cause you to functionally feel as if you had low testosterone. So you don’t need to keep jacking up the testosterone. You need to look at the other variables like estradiol sex, hormone binding globulin. And so I just kept layering these pieces over the years and I met a guy locally or he was local at the time who was both a medical doctor and a chiropractor.

00:10:21:04 – 00:10:38:13
Dr.Tim Jackson
And he said, you know, there’s a lot of people doing the orthopedic stuff. There’s almost no one doing functional medicine. It’s like you’re way too smart just to do it for the part. He’s like, Because I was teaching him stuff because I had me. When you’re faced with your own mortality, it’s amazing how fast you can learn right?

00:10:38:13 – 00:10:59:22
Dr.Tim Jackson
And so he’s like, Yeah, you got to do the functional medicine stuff. And so I did orthopedics for the first almost two years out of school, and then I transitioned fully over into functional medicine. And during that time, a colleague had given me Doctor Ritchie Shoemakers, quote, mold warriors. So I started learning about mold and being in the southeastern United States.

00:10:59:22 – 00:11:22:03
Dr.Tim Jackson
I mean, it can happen anywhere, right? But read increased risk because of the humidity and the way construction is done. Things of that nature. And, you know, you and I talked about this when I interviewed you, but Mycotoxins, you know, they’re so prevalent in the environment and I had to take my dog to the vet yesterday. I was talking with the technician and she said, Oh, you mean black mold?

00:11:22:03 – 00:11:45:01
Dr.Tim Jackson
And I said, That’s sticky boxers and it’s definitely dangerous, but it’s kind of a blessing if you have that, because at least you see it and you say, Oh, this is serious, I’m going to take some action and you know, get out of there, have it remediated. But things like Aspergillus, you can’t see, maybe be able to smell, but most species you can’t see or smell and you know, it’s behind the walls, things of that nature.

00:11:45:09 – 00:12:11:13
Dr.Tim Jackson
So at the time this was like 2009, 2010, I did a stool test. It was the GI effects from metal matrix, now Chernobyl, but it showed a plus three on the yeast, but there was an asterisk underneath it and it said plus three or higher may indicate mold toxicity. And so that got put me down that rabbit hole.

00:12:12:02 – 00:12:41:13
Dr.Tim Jackson
And I grabbed, I started learning about the literature and protocol and rehabbing cell membranes out of get these like filling toxins out of the cell and then through the bile excreting through the stool. And so all of that I kept incorporating more and more techniques and methods. You know, I promised myself early on that I wasn’t going to be someone who said everything is mold or everything is gut health or everything is neurotransmitters, everything is micronutrient deficiencies.

00:12:41:13 – 00:13:05:17
Dr.Tim Jackson
I mean, it’s all important. And depending on the person, some of it will play more of an important role than others. But I don’t think we could exclude, at least in a healthy manner, any of those fears. And so studying, you know, I’ve done a lot of different certifications over the years, different functional medicine techniques and ideologies, and I just continue to learn.

00:13:05:17 – 00:13:20:17
Dr.Tim Jackson
I tell my patients in science, the answer I give you today probably won’t be the same if you ask the same question in six months, because I’m reading at least an hour a day. I’ve been doing that for 14, 15 years.

00:13:20:17 – 00:13:29:19
Nathan Crane
So you were actually diagnosed with Lyme when? Like what year or what? Yeah. So what happened in 2011?

00:13:29:19 – 00:13:52:04
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah, it was in 2011 and I was working with a nurse practitioner and there was a lab, full pharmacy and labs that came around. It’s no longer in existence, but they had a test called the immune tolerance test, and I did it because it checked the levels of inflammatory cytokines and I was getting ready to go in the room and have a consultation with the patient.

00:13:52:12 – 00:14:11:07
Dr.Tim Jackson
And one of the front office members grabbed me. She’s like, You might want to look at this. And it said positive for both past and current infection. So and at that time I was having significant joint pain, but I was also lifting weights really hard. So I chalked it up to that. I’m like, Oh, okay, this reframes a lot of that.

00:14:12:15 – 00:14:49:10
Dr.Tim Jackson
And so I had access to IV, vitamin C, high doses. I did that, and then about three, four months later, I started with a new clinic and we had a heart chamber, a hyperbaric units. So I did about over the course of seven months, about 80, 75, 80 dives, around 2.8 atmospheres. And so that was really helpful. And I was doing things all along, you know, working on my gut health probiotics, killing the gut lining on binders for Mycotoxins.

00:14:50:11 – 00:15:22:23
Dr.Tim Jackson
And one thing that wasn’t nearly where it is today back then was balancing the autonomic nervous system. And that was a huge component for me that I didn’t get into until, you know, 2014, 2015. And now we got devices and gadgets that can, you know, help increase parasympathetic tone, but you can’t heal in a sympathetic, dominant state. And so all of my recovery image integration and healing takes place in the more parasympathetic dominant state.

00:15:22:23 – 00:15:58:13
Nathan Crane
So one of the outrageous theories I have and and this could just be because I’m not informed enough about Lyme and so I want to hear your thoughts on this is that people get diagnosed with Lyme very often based on symptoms and not actually being able to detect Lyme. And they just treat it as, you know, it’s like they want to give a patient a diagnosis so that they can actually do something about it, right?

00:15:58:13 – 00:16:13:05
Nathan Crane
Instead of saying, I don’t know what it is, there’s nothing we can do. They want to be able to prescribe. They want to be able to treat. They want to be able do their jobs and help people, same as functional medicine practitioners. They want to be able to, you know, give or die in lifestyle and supplements and different things that they can do.

00:16:14:24 – 00:16:28:21
Nathan Crane
But I’m I’m not totally convinced yet. And maybe you can convince me that Lyme is actually something that you can definitively test for. Am I wrong in thinking that?

00:16:29:17 – 00:16:43:11
Dr.Tim Jackson
Well, so the traditional test is the Western blot test and if I remember correctly, false negatives on that test or around 30 to 33%. So pretty high false now.

00:16:43:22 – 00:16:45:11
Nathan Crane
So that means that.

00:16:45:21 – 00:16:48:17
Dr.Tim Jackson
It tells you you don’t have it when you may actually have.

00:16:48:17 – 00:16:51:03
Nathan Crane
When you may have it. Exactly.

00:16:51:03 – 00:17:18:16
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah. And so if you provoke the Lyme with either prescription antibiotics, usually doxycycline or PMS like Sarmiento and Vandewalle, you do that for about two weeks and then you do the same tests, same Western blot. It’s going to be a much more accurate test. Now, interestingly enough, in most Asian countries, you only need two bands to be considered positive.

00:17:18:16 – 00:17:48:24
Dr.Tim Jackson
For lot here you need false. Now, to further complicate the matter, there’s cross-reactivity between Epstein-Barr virus and Lyme. So when you see band P 41 that it’s showing up, it may not be Lyme, it could be, but it could also be Epstein-Barr. And so that’s where the picture gets murky because number one, the tests aren’t very accurate, even like the expensive functional medicine labs.

00:17:48:24 – 00:18:11:04
Dr.Tim Jackson
A lot of times I’ve had patients and clients who have tested literally seven or eight times, and it’s not until the eighth or ninth time that they test positive. And by that time, they’ve spent like seven or eight grand. And so it’s one of those things where you can also look at indirect markers like CD D seven cluster designation 57.

00:18:11:16 – 00:18:37:05
Dr.Tim Jackson
So it’s a type of protein on the outer membrane of the cell, and it’s a type of white blood cell. So S.D. 57 you want it to be in general 200 or higher, and a lot of people with Lyme are going to have it 50 or below. Now, it’s not one of those things where as you start to feel a little bit better, it’ll start to trend up.

00:18:37:16 – 00:19:00:05
Dr.Tim Jackson
It’s usually going to kind of stay where it is and then you’ll see a huge ball all of a sudden. Why that is, I’m not sure. I don’t know that anyone knows for sure. But you’re right, there are definitely just like with any tests, whether it’s traditional medicine or functional medicine, you know, there’s inaccuracies on like let’s take that about down to where you looked at magnesium.

00:19:00:07 – 00:19:25:23
Dr.Tim Jackson
That’s only 1% of the magnesium in your body. So you need to look at RBC magnesium or do a test like an OLIGO scan to check tissue mental status. So with Lyme, there’s usually not always but usually concomitant more toxicity and that’s derailing the immune system. So you may have had a situation where your immune system was keeping the line at bay.

00:19:26:06 – 00:19:40:05
Dr.Tim Jackson
It wasn’t really impacting you overtly, and then you’re exposed or accumulates mycotoxins over the years and that lowers immune function. And then these pathogens start to rear their ugly heads.

00:19:41:16 – 00:20:19:08
Nathan Crane
Got it. So and I just pulled this up from the CDC, basically, the CDC defines Lyme disease as caused by the bacterium Borrelia burgdorferi. So and obviously the thing that we’re told and again, I don’t know if this is actually true, it’s very hard for me to believe, you know, our governmental health agencies now because, you know, we catch them in lies all the time and fudging science and, you know, but but they say it’s primarily from ticks who have been affected and you get bit by a tick and then that’s how the bacteria passes to you.

00:20:19:08 – 00:20:43:07
Nathan Crane
And if that bacteria takes over and you end up with all these symptoms, then then you can be diagnosed with Lyme disease, right? Again, that may be totally true, but you know, what I see from these governmental health agencies just makes me really question that. And I haven’t researched it enough personally to have a definitive answer because I can go look up what a lot of these organizations say about cancer.

00:20:43:07 – 00:21:15:10
Nathan Crane
And I have research that literally over 10000 hours in the last ten plus years. And I can tell you a lot of things they say are not true and are not accurate either because they don’t know or they are, you know, don’t want people to know. Both of those both of those are plausible. But yeah, so but you, you know, you have this diagnosis and then you you were you able to completely heal yourself of it if you were to take those tests again, does it show up negative now?

00:21:16:17 – 00:21:44:23
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah. I haven’t tested again in several years. But, you know, functionally I’m stronger or at least as strong as I was when I was 21. You know, I keep learning and adding more tools to my tool belt, but, you know, to list all the things that I did, I did Uveal Tracts, which is basically your blood goes underneath the light, and pathogens absorb photons five times greater than our human cells.

00:21:44:23 – 00:22:11:14
Dr.Tim Jackson
And so it’s very good at eradicating pathogens. I did IBU, which is Extracorporeal blood donation and oxygenation, so they add ozone and then it goes through the U.V. filter and then they add a little option as well. And that was very effective. It’s similar to ten past ozone, but it will typically last longer, like 8 to 10 weeks at least.

00:22:12:12 – 00:22:39:24
Dr.Tim Jackson
So I did those therapies and then the lymphatic system. There was a lady here locally who had a machine called a limp star crow and she had taken the course to get certified. And I would go to her home and we were training services, but getting the lymphatic system moving, you know, now I have a vibration plate I use almost every day, but the lymphatic system is so huge and it’s getting more attention, rightfully so.

00:22:39:24 – 00:23:04:02
Dr.Tim Jackson
I don’t think enough people pay attention to it, especially so. One of the practices I mentioned in where we had the hyperbaric chambers, it’s shown or at least a building is shown in the movie Under Our Skin, which is about Lyme disease. And that’s a $3 million building built by Dr. Jim Sick, who’s a well-known, Lyme literate M.D., who’s now in Washington, D.C..

00:23:04:02 – 00:23:26:08
Dr.Tim Jackson
But when you start killing off all these pathogens, like he would have patients on I.V. antibiotics and things like that, a lot of times they get worse, number one, because you heard some of reactions, the drainage pathways are closed, the lymphatic system is not moving, and you have massive inflammation. And the more inflamed you are, the less capable you are detoxification.

00:23:27:06 – 00:23:50:07
Dr.Tim Jackson
So I think with Lyme, you know, you have to look at all the variables like body temperature is a huge one, right? So the key was to change the function of a protein or to change the pitch or change the temperature. And so that’s one reason why infrared saunas work. Yes. They help us detoxify, they induce heat shock proteins.

00:23:50:18 – 00:24:13:14
Dr.Tim Jackson
They’re also increasing our basal metabolic rate to an extent, and that’s basically playing whack a mole with the pathogens. And so if you look at clinics like St George’s clinics in Europe, you know, they have depression and partially anesthesia and they’ll do the hypothermia treatments where they take your temperature up to around 106 degrees Fahrenheit and it kills off pathogens.

00:24:13:22 – 00:24:37:15
Dr.Tim Jackson
And so the soreness you can think about is like a minor version of the over hypothermia treatments. But yeah, so you know, I got rid of the mycotoxins, so that was a huge part. I fixed my sleep and which was a huge part. And by the way, the sleep apnea I got tested by Johns Hopkins, trained EMT told me I didn’t have any sleep apnea.

00:24:38:02 – 00:24:54:15
Dr.Tim Jackson
And I said, well, I’m waking up in the middle of the night choking and wasn’t from being overweight. I mean, I was in good shape, but just, you know, structurally. And that’s another thing I want to point out is that a lot of people are under the assumption that you have to be overweight or even obese to have sleep apnea.

00:24:54:15 – 00:25:28:17
Dr.Tim Jackson
But I got the book right here called Six Foot Tiger on a three foot cage, and it’s by Dr. Felix Lao. But it’s basically about sleep disorder breathing. And I bring that up because you I always try to look at things when I’m working with patients. What can I do to make everything else work better? I wish I could do all the functional medicine treatments in the world, and if you have sleep apnea and it’s not treated, it will have marginal improvements at best just because every tissue requires oxygen.

00:25:28:17 – 00:25:51:05
Dr.Tim Jackson
Right now, if you go to a traditional doctor’s office or you’re hospitalized and your O2 stats are at 94, 95, they’re going to say, that’s good, but that’s not good. You want it to be 90 to 90? Not right. I mean, you may it may be okay, according to the allopathic textbooks, but you’re going to have symptoms and you certainly won’t be able to reach optimum health when you’re not fully oxygenating your body.

00:25:51:15 – 00:26:15:18
Dr.Tim Jackson
More importantly, you’re sleeping is getting interrupted. So you lose all your anabolic potential or most of it. And so you’re not able to recover from workouts, you don’t have the energy to work out. And then there’s some controversy as to whether people with sleep apnea should receive testosterone replacement if they need it, because technically it can worsen sleep apnea.

00:26:16:07 – 00:26:44:16
Dr.Tim Jackson
But the reality is you if you need it, you need it. And you just have to treat the sleep apnea concomitantly. And so all those things that that I did that I mentioned, I contributed some more than others. But that’s the thing that’s difficult about treating Lyme and other stuff pathogens is a lot of times you don’t know if something is going to work until you try it because you can have 100 people that say, Yeah, this is amazing, but it may or may not work for you.

00:26:45:23 – 00:27:12:06
Nathan Crane
Yeah, 100%. You know, I pull up an article from the Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, which is leading edge, you know, technology and treatment center, medical center, and how they talk about Lyme disease. And, you know, they say sometimes diagnosing Lyme disease can be hard. The symptoms may seem like other health problems. They may also not be known if the person was exposed to ticks.

00:27:12:06 – 00:27:57:01
Nathan Crane
They say diagnosis is usually based on symptoms, particularly the typical rash, along with the history of a known or possible tick bite. And that’s that’s the problem in my mind is like like we saw with COVID, right, where people were being diagnosed with a disease without even doing really in-depth testing just based on symptoms. And the symptoms you have associated with Lyme can be very similar to virus viral infections back to other bacterial infections, mold as you talked about toxicity, mycotoxins, you know, candida infections, there’s so many, you know, toxic chemical, toxic exposure, there’s so many other things that could be happening that are leading to those symptoms.

00:27:57:08 – 00:28:27:15
Nathan Crane
And so to base base a diagnosis on have you been around ticks lately and what are your symptoms? You know, it’s like and I don’t want to take away from anybody who really knows for a fact they have Lyme, they had in-depth testing and they’ve been treating it and they like in your case got better right like not not saying to take away I’m saying for people to like be aware and educate yourself and realize, you know, if a doctor is just basing diagnosis on symptoms, they may or may not be correct.

00:28:27:15 – 00:29:01:04
Nathan Crane
And you may need to get multiple opinions and dig deeper and, you know, look at other options for treatment as well. The the number one option that a conventional medical doctor is going to recommend for Lyme is antibiotics. Right. The problem with antibiotics, as you know, and you mentioned as you were opening up and I know from personal experience as well and Doctor Robin, Chuck, Ken talks a lot about I’m reading her book, The Microbiome Solution right now, which is fantastic.

00:29:01:04 – 00:29:26:22
Nathan Crane
It’s like a great reminder of the importance of our our gut health. But she goes really in-depth into antibiotics in that book and how they completely destroy the good gut bacteria and how most of her patients with Crohn’s and ulcerative colitis and all kinds of gut issues. Basically, she noticed a trend and this is what led her to, you know, research in gut health.

00:29:26:22 – 00:29:47:14
Nathan Crane
And the microbiome was in every single one of our patients had early antibiotics and lots of early antibiotics in their life. And I did, too, as a kid, every time I’d get sick or the doctor family dog prescribe antibiotics as antibiotics for a week or two, boom. You know, eight months later, a year later, same thing, antibiotics, antibiotics, antibiotics.

00:29:47:23 – 00:30:25:16
Nathan Crane
And then, you know, by the time I’m 18, 19, incredible gut health problems. Right. Incredible gut problems. Terrible. Got problems. And they were persistent. And it’s taken until this day almost to get things, you know, really under control and feeling good, lauded, detoxing a lot of cleansing, you know, whole food, plant based diet, a lot of fermented foods, a lot of sauna, you know, all the things that you mentioned as well, exercise, sleep, parasympathetic nervous system, mold, detoxification, parasite cleanses, you know, you name it, to really help get the gut under control.

00:30:25:16 – 00:30:52:23
Nathan Crane
And the thing is, is if you have antibiotics and they destroy the healthy bacteria as well as the bad ones, the problem is it can take years before your microflora get back into a healthy balance. And in that time the, the bacteria that we consider as bad, right, the ones that will come in and take over, they start to fill in those holes that were left.

00:30:53:06 – 00:31:17:12
Nathan Crane
They start they’re opportune stick. They look for an opportunity to grow and they spread. It’s fine that they’re they’re inside our bodies as long as they’re under control. But when they start to spread out of control, like Candida, Candida produces a toxin called Candida lice. And Candida lysine is really the problem with Candida. Right. Which is causes an inflammatory response in the body and a chronic inflammatory response damages mitochondria.

00:31:17:12 – 00:31:44:09
Nathan Crane
It kills off healthy cells and causes all kinds of metabolic dysfunction. So it’s not even so much, you know, the pathogen itself. That is technically a problem. It’s the byproducts of that pathogen. It’s the waste products of that pathogen. And it’s also, you know, oftentimes what those pathogens, viruses, bacteria, fungus, yeast, etc., do when they start to move into different organs and areas and even the brain of the body and expand and take over.

00:31:44:09 – 00:32:05:13
Nathan Crane
And then you can end up with all these kinds of symptoms like brain fog and fatigue and gut health problems. And really all it was, was you took a bunch of antibiotics when you’re younger and never got your gut health into check or into a good balance because you eat processed food and not enough fermented food and they think you can solve it with a simple probiotic 12 strain.

00:32:05:24 – 00:32:23:00
Nathan Crane
We have thousands of strains of bacteria in our gut. And how do we think that we could take a simple probiotic and it’s going to solve everything? Right. They don’t even the scientists have to figure it out yet. What all of the bacteria in our guts, what their functions are, and which ones technically are good and which ones technically are bad.

00:32:23:00 – 00:32:38:03
Nathan Crane
We only know a handful of what they do yet. And so, you know, I think a part of the problem is we think, oh, we know 12 good ones. So let’s just load up on the 12 good ones. Yeah, but what if those grow out of control, you know, is it going to take make your body out of whack?

00:32:38:03 – 00:32:44:22
Nathan Crane
And so that’s why it is important that we take a really multi-prong approach to to our health.

00:32:46:07 – 00:33:10:03
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah. And to your point, so as I started to learn about gut health when I was in school in my doctoral program, I started taking Lactobacillus Acidophilus, you know, and we didn’t have summits back then or I mean, we had a few blogs, but nothing to the extent that we do today. I was popping them like candy, and I did this for probably three years, and then I started noticing like significant brain fog.

00:33:10:03 – 00:33:38:13
Dr.Tim Jackson
Just my energy wasn’t there. So I did a stool test and my D lactate, which is produced by Lactobacillus Acidophilus, it was off the charts. So to your point, I had an overgrown some of the quote unquote good bacteria. And, you know, the name of the game is diversity, diversity, diversity. And so even if you have a pathogenic bug, you don’t have to necessarily administer anti-microbial herbs or antibiotics or antimicrobials.

00:33:38:20 – 00:33:59:13
Dr.Tim Jackson
You there’s something called niche exclusion where by feeding the good bugs and repopulating the good bugs and adding resistant starch, eat right prebiotics, then you can crowd out the bad bugs without all these side clinical side effects of killing off the other beneficial species.

00:33:59:20 – 00:34:27:05
Nathan Crane
That’s really the number one solution right there. Right, is give the food to the healthy organisms so that they can populate and grow and do what they do. We know that some of these bacteria that feed off of, you know, fiber, for example, different kinds of fiber. Well, but as we as you just said, starches produce short chain fatty acids like Butyrate, which have incredible health functions in the body.

00:34:27:11 – 00:34:50:00
Nathan Crane
Again, the gut health stuff is really fascinating because it’s I think maybe were 1% there of understanding it. Right. And we already understand a lot like there’s already a lot of science published on it. There’s a lot of really interesting stuff. But my guess is we probably understand 1% of actually what’s going on. And the more that we understand, the more fascinating it is.

00:34:50:06 – 00:35:14:22
Nathan Crane
So that is a danger of certain supplements and probiotics and stuff. Yeah, that can be helpful. Right? Let’s say you did. You just had a round of antibiotics because you needed it. It is it may be helpful to take a high dose strain of, you know, 12 or 15 of the most well-researched probiotics for a month or two while you’re, you know, to try and help repopulate some of those.

00:35:15:05 – 00:35:36:21
Nathan Crane
Personally, I don’t I used take probiotics every day same thing. I don’t take them anymore, you know, very, very rarely. And I try to feed my I don’t try I absolutely focus on feeding my the bacteria in my gut with the foods that they need. Some of those foods are, you know, fermented foods are the most well researched and understood.

00:35:37:03 – 00:36:17:13
Nathan Crane
Right. Kimchi is a fantastic one. You know, fermented cabbages and fermented vegetables. You know, kimchi, I believe, originated from Korea and and, you know, seaweeds, fermented kiwis, tempeh, which is a fermented soy product that originates from Japan originally, I believe these have all been shown tempeh, kimchi, sauerkraut, even pickles. You know, these things have all been shown to provide not only the back to healthy bacteria that grow on them, but then also the food the bacteria need to to grow inside our bodies.

00:36:17:13 – 00:36:43:10
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah, absolutely. And what you said is spot on. And, you know, with probiotics, a lot of times people think, okay, we’re taking them, they’re going into our GI tract, they’re setting up shop and they’re just, you know, living there. But sometimes that’s the case. Other times it’s more of an indirect effect where they’re interacting with the cells and toll like receptors to effect a systemic change.

00:36:43:20 – 00:37:07:18
Dr.Tim Jackson
And so when we look at short chain fatty acids like we know for every one signal the brain turns to the gut. A gut sends roughly eight signals back to the brain, and that’s how things like iterate can raise brain derived neurotrophic factor, which I kind of locally describe as Miracle-Gro for your neurons and strengthening those synaptic connections.

00:37:08:01 – 00:37:32:07
Dr.Tim Jackson
It’s increasing the neuronal strength of the neural connections and pathways. It also has potency, systemic anti-inflammatory properties. So one thing people don’t realize is, okay, if I have a fire in the gut, a inflammation of the gut, there’s going to be fire in the brain. So if you have got issues, there’s no way around it. At some point in time you’re going to develop brain issues.

00:37:32:15 – 00:37:50:18
Dr.Tim Jackson
And we know now from research that diagnoses like Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s that most people have gut dysbiosis that precedes that diagnosis by up to two decades.

00:37:50:18 – 00:38:24:00
Nathan Crane
Wow. So, I mean, really what you’re saying in your case was a lot of what you found out to be the underlying cause of your health problems was gut dysbiosis. Right. And by treating a lot, you know, the Mycotoxins and the Candida and the other problems that stemmed from an unhealthy gut, likely due to antibiotics, as you said, then a lot of your symptoms improved, is that right?

00:38:25:06 – 00:38:47:11
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah, absolutely that and you know, just overall working on focusing on health versus just getting stronger. I mean, when you’re 18, you’re like, oh, on a bench press, you know, £375. And that’s my only goal. I don’t care what it takes to get there, but if you pursue fitness at the expense of your health, bad things happen. And I know because I did it.

00:38:48:15 – 00:39:17:17
Dr.Tim Jackson
But if you pursue health, the body composition will come. And that’s counterintuitive for a lot of people. You know, they think calories in, calories out, do more cardio depending on your static loads, the total stress on someone’s body that I could end very badly. We know from research when you look at the immune systems of marathon runners, there’s Secretary IGA, which protects all of the entrances to our body, our mucous membranes, that their levels are incredibly low.

00:39:18:07 – 00:39:28:04
Dr.Tim Jackson
And so we know that mild to moderate exercise strengthens the immune system, but excessive will complete the immune system.

00:39:29:18 – 00:39:52:23
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Yeah. And that’s where we get into the autonomic nervous system. We talk about sympathetic and parasympathetic right, which is, you know, if you stimulate sympathetic nervous system fight or flight through high intensity in a short duration, the or medic benefits from that are actually fantastic, right? Where you, you know, you might get some adrenaline going because you’re doing a high intensity workout for ten or 12 or 15 minutes, like CrossFit, for example.

00:39:53:09 – 00:40:19:08
Nathan Crane
But then what happens is your your immune system and your autonomic nervous system actually adapts to that and learns to become more resilient and then releases different kinds of hormones that actually improve overall health. But you can push that too far for sure. I’ve experienced it as a as a, you know, as an athlete who is trying to achieve a level of being a professional athlete.

00:40:19:18 – 00:40:37:17
Nathan Crane
And, you know, we have to train five or 6 hours a day. And so I know what it’s like to totally drain the nervous system. And it’s only, you know, walk away feeling completely depleted and wake up, you know, at the end of the night, dead, feeling dead and wake up the next morning. Do it all again five, 6 hours a day.

00:40:37:17 – 00:40:58:13
Nathan Crane
Right. And too much of that. And then you become injury prone and other problems can happen. So there is definitely a challenge in wanting to pursue something, you know, let’s talk about peak performance with your physical body, but also trying to balance your health for the long term and prevent injury and, you know, be healthy at the same time.

00:41:00:06 – 00:41:28:11
Nathan Crane
It’s a challenge. It’s a mental struggle for sure, because obviously I want to be healthy. I want to be, you know, live a long time and be a great grandfather for my my grandchildren and hopefully even great grandchildren and be around and healthy for that. And I have short term professional athlete goals that I’m striving towards and that require an intense amount of, you know, physical commitment and dedication that definitely put a wear and tear on the body.

00:41:28:11 – 00:41:51:03
Nathan Crane
So it’s one of the reasons among my cancer research for the past decade that I’m like really, really focused on all of the recovery things, you know, the sauna, the ice bath, the power plate, the meditation. Even though I started meditating like 17 years ago, but, you know, the meditative practices, the Reiki, the Qigong, you know, getting 8 to 9 hours of sleep every night.

00:41:51:03 – 00:42:11:10
Nathan Crane
Like all those things you know, the diet, the nutrition to help my body recover. But I definitely have a tendency to push things a little too far to the point where, like, I’ll have pain, you know, it’s like a few months ago, some pain popping up in the shoulder. And I’m just like, and it’s just a little pain.

00:42:11:10 – 00:42:26:01
Nathan Crane
It’ll go away. And then I train through it, and then the knee pops up some pain in the hip, pops up some pain like I had to go away, you know, don’t be a worse, you know, that’s like that back of the mind. David Goggins, talk in the back of your head. I mean, that’s that’s how I’ve been my whole life.

00:42:26:01 – 00:42:44:21
Nathan Crane
So it’s not it’s not like I was given the David Goggins example, because I think people can relate to that, where that’s how I’ve always pushed, you know, in oftentimes, unfortunately, to the extreme. And now it’s like, okay, now to back off fully because I just pushed through that too much and now it’s so inflamed and it’s chronic and it’s tendon apathy.

00:42:45:05 – 00:43:04:14
Nathan Crane
And it’s like, if I keep doing that, it’s probably just going to tear something, right? Just stupid at that point. And where I could have backed off for a week, let things heal due to recover a week or two and be back at it. Now I’m having to take a month, two months, three months of really backing off.

00:43:04:14 – 00:43:21:19
Nathan Crane
Right. And so I’m still learning how to listen to my body because it’s and at the same time trying to balance that as an athlete who’s trying to achieve higher peak potential, you know, doing everything I can to also keep my body healthy for the long term. So that makes sense.

00:43:22:18 – 00:43:51:03
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah. And one thing I’ve always said, or at least for the past 18, 19 years, is that I will take a moderate trained athlete who’s well recovered over an extremely well-trained athlete who is underprepared. And so I think, you know, I understand what David Goggins is saying and there’s a lot of truth to that. But then there’s a lot of people who, like you and I, are the kind of people who would push it too far.

00:43:51:10 – 00:44:04:08
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah, you know, the limits too much. And so a lot of times people fall into one or two camps, like, you either need to stick your foot up there, but get them going or you need to, you know, put a leash on, hold them back.

00:44:04:16 – 00:44:07:18
Nathan Crane
So I definitely need a leash.

00:44:07:18 – 00:44:30:18
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah. And he’s there. And so, I mean, you know, you can definitely overdo it. And, you know, looking at hormonal status, I mean, and that’s kind of my passion is merging fitness with functional medicine because it’s all really on the spectrum, right. And if you look at the old timey bodybuilders like way before Arnold, you know, the gyms were a place of health.

00:44:30:18 – 00:45:07:24
Dr.Tim Jackson
Like they would have gymnastic training, balance beams, kettlebells before kettlebells came onto the scene. And it was all about, you know, being healthy like Jack LaLanne, you know, so like 94, 95 and I mean, was doing one hour push ups, I mean, crazy stuff. And so I think we need to get back to more of that versus, you know, if I go to my gym, which I love, but, you know, I’m under artificial blue light, you know, a lot of non-native EMF exposure I have to people at my gym can’t put their phone down to one set of an exercise.

00:45:08:10 – 00:45:42:07
Dr.Tim Jackson
So there’s many receptors you just shot. And, you know, now you have these athletics companies making the little holes or slots for people’s phones right near their genital area. I’m like, Wow, that’s a really bad, unsafe idea. But, you know, I if I can workout outside, I usually will. But I do like going to my pushing and pulling sleds, doing stuff ups, reverse type of machine, things like that, deadlifting.

00:45:42:15 – 00:46:03:14
Dr.Tim Jackson
So I think there’s a time and place for all. But you know, some of the simplest things you can do are to get outside. Photons walk barefoot on the grass that’s in electrons to decrease inflammation and increase the viscosity of the blood and all of that so important. And a lot of people say, Oh, I can’t do functional medicines too expensive.

00:46:03:14 – 00:46:28:20
Dr.Tim Jackson
I’m like, How about free? Is that too expensive? Because, you know, the first three or four things won’t tell. You’re totally free unless you count time. I mean, you got to put some time into it, but, you know, you can read a book or whatever you want, like while you’re getting morning sunlight. And so I think, you know, bodybuilders had it right back in the day like they were very adamant about going to bed by nine or 930, you know, to get that growth hormone spike.

00:46:29:06 – 00:47:00:18
Dr.Tim Jackson
And, you know, they may or may not have known that that’s when, you know, most of our detoxification practices occur. And so I think it’s also interwoven when people ask me to niched down, I’m like, I can brand myself as a brain health expert or mental health expert. And I’m still going to say the same things like you know, I can’t it’s not your heart beats, and then it stops and then your neurons fire and they stop and your kidneys filter way.

00:47:01:01 – 00:47:26:20
Dr.Tim Jackson
I It just doesn’t work that way. And so you have to have a point of entry into the system, but you don’t want to just ignore all the other systems. And that’s how allopathic medicine has worked in a few select cases. It’s great that we have people who are hyper specialized, but you know, if you can’t understand how a pathogen negatively affect brain health, then you’re studying for the wrong tests.

00:47:27:16 – 00:47:48:17
Dr.Tim Jackson
And actually I won’t say the name of the clinic, but it’s very well known. Brain Health Institute across the country. When I was in Atlanta, we had a patient who was going there and he had depression, anxiety and some other diagnostic labels. But he tested positive for several pathogens and he said, Well, I ran this by my psychiatrist.

00:47:48:17 – 00:48:13:15
Dr.Tim Jackson
And he said, Pathogens don’t have any effect on the brain. I said, Just go back to them and say, Michael, blame ourselves. I mean, that’s all you got to say, right? I mean, because when those inflammatory white blood cells are turned on in the central nervous system, it’s going to create brain fog, memory issues, insomnia in the short term, long term neurodegeneration, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, etc..

00:48:13:15 – 00:48:47:07
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s it is fascinating, isn’t it, how little our conventional medical doctors actually understand about health. It’s unfortunate that it’s getting better because of the functional medicine training and nutrition training that more doctors are getting. Depends which school you go to specifically. And then are you opting for these additional trainings and certifications for your own continue education. Much more doctors are, but unfortunately most doctors today, most conventionally trained doctors don’t know anything about health.

00:48:47:16 – 00:49:16:01
Nathan Crane
I mean they under they they memorized every, you know, physiological, biological function of the cells of the the the mitochondria of all aspects of, you know, how our cells work and all of that. And yet they’re not trained in actually how to treat things with diet and nutrition and lifestyle. They just unfortunately, they’re just not trained. And it’s not their fault.

00:49:16:01 – 00:49:59:06
Nathan Crane
They’re not bad people, you know, it’s just they don’t know how to do it. Now, there are a lot of doctors who are my friends and colleagues and in my mastermind group and who I work with every day, who did step outside the conventional training and get trained in functional medicine. And just like yourself, has been pursuing natural health and holistic health for many, many years, and they’re treating patients successfully with diet and lifestyle and nutrition and seeing incredible results without destroying the immune system and gut health, you know, with harmful drugs and and so even though those might have a place in time, depending on what circumstance you have or what health issue you

00:49:59:06 – 00:50:31:05
Nathan Crane
have, the reality is there’s so much we can do to improve our health and vitality just by learning how to eat more real whole foods, you know, eat more fruits and vegetables and sleep 8 to 9 hours a night, do sana a couple of days a week, you know, do hard things, go to the gym or work out or run or cycle or swim, you know, do some strength training and some cardiovascular training five or six days a week, even for 30 minutes or an hour.

00:50:31:05 – 00:50:55:10
Nathan Crane
I mean, it’s pretty, pretty simple. Obviously, if you’re dealing with a chronic health condition, that’s where it gets more complex. And you got to really dig deep and dove in and figure out especially when bacteria use toxins, you know, things have really become prolific throughout the body. We know that heavy metals actually get stored in adipose tissues. And so, you know, there are certain things we have to do to actually release those heavy metals from the adipose tissues.

00:50:55:10 – 00:51:12:21
Nathan Crane
But we we know sauna really helps with that. Actually, there are binders you can take is activated charcoal. You know, there’s clearly there are a lot of things you can take that will actually help bind to heavy metals and bind to toxins and chemicals and pull them out of your body. But we’ve got to start putting the gasoline in first, right?

00:51:12:21 – 00:51:34:01
Nathan Crane
We’ve got to stop putting the gasoline in. That’s that’s feeding the fire. And that means you’ve got to stop putting into process sugar. You got to stop putting in the junk food. You guys are putting in the stress and anxiety and the fear because that inhibits our immune system and inhibits our gut function. In fact, 70% of our immune system is said to be in our gut, in our small intestines.

00:51:34:01 – 00:51:59:19
Nathan Crane
Right? So these are things that are really important and people are hearing more and more about it. The question for people tuning in is like, are you actually doing these things? Are you actually making the changes you need? Are you actually focusing on improving your health by improving your diet, nutrition and lifestyle? And if not, why not? And let’s figure out how to help you get there so that you can experience better health and more vitality.

00:52:00:11 – 00:52:32:04
Nathan Crane
But I want to ask you about athletes specifically on on recovery, because you said you’d rather take a moderately trained athlete who’s well recovered over a highly or extreme trained athlete who’s who’s under recovered or poorly recovered, which makes sense. The I guess. You know, I would counter that with if you had a very highly trained or extremely trained athlete, you might be able to get them better results if you can get them recovering better.

00:52:32:04 – 00:53:18:01
Nathan Crane
Right. But a moderately trained athlete who’s recovering well, obviously can make bigger gains faster, I would imagine, than somebody who’s already, you know, at the 97, 99 percentile going 1%, very, very gains versus someone who’s at 60%. It’s a lot easier to go up to 65, 70, 75. Right. But I guess the bigger question is how how does someone really know that they’re recovered properly to really hit the high intensity again, especially early, someone who is really well adapted, someone who’s really well trained, somebody who has been training, you know, two sessions a day, two and a half hours per session for months and years on end.

00:53:18:10 – 00:53:27:15
Nathan Crane
Right. Versus someone who’s brand new or someone who’s in the middle. Like, what are ways you work with athletes to help them determine how well they’re actually recovered?

00:53:29:01 – 00:53:55:24
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yes. So some of the wearables like flooring and there are others, but the HIV heart rate variability score, you know, it’s a good indirect measure, I guess you could label it, of sympathetic versus parasympathetic tone. And there’s a great strength coach in the NFL. I’m not sure which team he’s with now, but it’s Buddy Morris and he’s been tracking HIV for over 20 something years.

00:53:55:24 – 00:54:31:17
Dr.Tim Jackson
And he said, you know, the best athlete on the planet during competition, they go into a sympathetic state. But immediately when it stops, they go back to the parasympathetic and so things like that. But also looking at the bigger picture, like you mentioned, some injuries, you know, snagging orthopedic muscle, skeletal type injuries. And so if you’re getting those, if we know you’re doing the right things for your body structurally, like let’s say you’re balancing your horizontal rows with your horizontal pressing, but you’re still developing shoulder pain or just injury after injury in different areas of the body.

00:54:31:17 – 00:55:01:05
Dr.Tim Jackson
And we can’t really find ample reason for right then. I think we have to look at your biochemistry and your physiology. Even the four point cortisol tests, you know, it gets into semantics, right? So the adrenals don’t just become fatigued, but if someone has really high cortisol or really low cortisol, we do need to address that with herbs, adaptogens, things of that nature or even neurotransmitters support to help.

00:55:02:01 – 00:55:41:10
Dr.Tim Jackson
And one way I’ve helped a lot of athletes is by stimulating and balancing their neurotransmitters. So acetylcholine has to cross the postsynaptic junction or any muscular contraction to occur. I’m trusting my biceps without a steel calling. That’s not possible, and it could be a squat down. There’s a vertical jump, horizontal broad jump know that’s possible without acetylcholine. So if we can increase the neural drive to a muscle or muscle rage involved in a movement, then you’ll get better motor unit recruitment, which is to say more muscle fibers and the neurons connected to those muscle fibers.

00:55:41:21 – 00:56:08:02
Dr.Tim Jackson
And so all of those things play a role. And in terms of nutrition with athletes, you know, we probably heard about the Lakers, I think three or four years ago. A lot of them were following the Paleo type template. I don’t think you necessarily have to go low carb. I think, you know, some you and I were talking about this when I interviewed you about, you know, when people say, oh, avoid fruit, but then they’re talking about juicing.

00:56:08:10 – 00:56:32:20
Dr.Tim Jackson
But the juicing actually spikes insulin. Whereas when you have some fiber with it, like in the natural fruit, it’s going to blunt that insulin spike. And so we want to control inflammation. We know that that plays a major role. And so circadian rhythms and you know, sometimes it’s difficult because guys want to go out after the game, go to a club, stay out until one in the morning.

00:56:33:09 – 00:56:52:01
Dr.Tim Jackson
But, you know, I just try to convince them this way. Okay. You know, you have seven or eight years to make career in this profession, so let’s not do anything to jeopardize that. Right. You can go to the club for ten years for all I care when you’re done with that. But right now, let’s focus on the here and now.

00:56:52:13 – 00:57:11:18
Dr.Tim Jackson
And I think what I try to do things in the beginning that are going to make you start feeling better immediately. So something as simple, it sounds silly to us, but a blue light block or a sleep mass at night, you know, and they get so much better sleep, they have more energy and more present for their relationships and their interactions with other human beings.

00:57:12:06 – 00:57:29:02
Dr.Tim Jackson
And I think so then they’re like, Oh, okay, well, there’s something to this. And then they buy into more of what you’re saying, and then they just start layering in more and more. I interviewed on my show Doug Grant. He was the first nutritionist and the NBA 20 something maybe 30 years ago.

00:57:29:12 – 00:57:40:02
Nathan Crane
80 to 80, ten, 80, ten, ten. Doug Graham, 80%. And what you’re talking about, Doug Graham with the 80, ten, ten diet.

00:57:40:16 – 00:57:42:11
Dr.Tim Jackson
Oh, Grant. Grant.

00:57:42:15 – 00:57:46:00
Nathan Crane
Grant. Okay. The grant. So. No, not not again.

00:57:47:11 – 00:58:08:01
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah. And so Doug Grant, he knew the owner of this particular NBA team. And when he came on board the orthopedic surgeon said, I know the owner likes you, but I don’t believe in this stuff. So and at that time, what Doug told me is that he couldn’t make any recommendations that the entire medical team didn’t agree with.

00:58:08:16 – 00:58:33:13
Dr.Tim Jackson
And I’m like, wow, well, that’s going to be virtually everything I recommend they’re going to go against and he said he was telling me anecdotal stories. He said, you know, the stuff you see athletes do on camera, that’s not the stuff that’s benefiting them. That’s because of, you know, the paid sponsorships. He said that they had an in-house electrolyte powder that they created for their athletes, that they would use.

00:58:33:13 – 00:58:55:11
Dr.Tim Jackson
And, you know, in the locker room before the game at halftime, he said there was even a situation where one of the major sports drink companies was competing with another sports drinks company for a contract with the team. Long story short, they ended up having to put one product in a differently labeled bottle, all because of the legalities and the contract.

00:58:55:24 – 00:59:22:03
Dr.Tim Jackson
And all that is to say that, you know, he he’s able to give people better and performing better with whole food nutrition enzymes, eating a little bit of raw food, getting your mind right by getting rid of the toxic thoughts, the ants, automatic negative thoughts. And so a lot of things that athletes can do really simple but to them is so different than what they hear.

00:59:22:06 – 00:59:45:23
Dr.Tim Jackson
And that’s why I don’t think I would ever work for professional team because, you know, they say all the right things like, oh, we want our players to do the best and have the best, but your hands are kind of tied. And when I was in Charlotte at that clinic where we had the hyperbaric oxygen chambers, some of the Carolina Panthers players would come and they would say, oh, you know, please don’t take our photo or post about this on social media.

00:59:47:04 – 01:00:17:05
Dr.Tim Jackson
Because, you know, the team physician, orthopedic surgeon, you know, he has well, two things to offer them, either surgery or cortisone shots. Right. And, you know, there’s a place for surgery. But now a lot of orthopedic surgeons, the good ones, there’s always going to be people to operate on. Right. So they’re trying to keep as many people as possible out of the operating room using regenerative medicine, exosome stem cells, PRP, press peptides, etc..

01:00:17:19 – 01:00:46:11
Dr.Tim Jackson
But, you know, depending on the sport, it’s really interesting some of the things that I remember in college undergrad were seeing some of the like milk thistle was on the banned substance list, but I couldn’t tell a player that could go eat McDonald’s three times a day. That was perfectly fine. I yeah, no one thought this through. I guess it’s pretty silly as really dangerous because they buy into it and you know, they think of the kind of appeal to authority type argument.

01:00:46:17 – 01:01:00:03
Dr.Tim Jackson
Right. But, you know, just because someone works in professional sports, I’ll say this, that doesn’t mean they’re the end all, be all, and that they are a good group. I’ve seen some stuff that would just shock people.

01:01:00:18 – 01:01:28:09
Nathan Crane
Well, here’s the problem with, you know, the sponsorships that professional athletes have today, in my opinion, is a lot of these athletes are very young, right. I mean, coming straight out of high school or college, I mean, still in their early twenties, none of them know anything about actual health. Right? They know how to perform. They have built a body and a brain that, you know, performs like a freaking rocket ship.

01:01:28:20 – 01:01:52:10
Nathan Crane
But they don’t know about long term health. They don’t know about chronic health. They don’t know the fact that, yeah, you could feed yourself a bunch of shit and garbage and junk food and sugar, you know, while your twenties, maybe even into your thirties and still perform really well, but even finally it catches up and it catches up to everybody, you know, even that person where you say, Oh, my grandmother smoked her whole life and drank alcohol.

01:01:52:10 – 01:02:19:12
Nathan Crane
And Darren, she lived 90. Well, what did she die from? Oh, she died from diabetes and cancer and heart disease. And that. Okay, right. Like even in those cases, there’s usually something and they’re super, super rare. Very often, you know, that person had crazy genetics that just allowed them to smoke and drink their whole life. But the majority of people going to eat highly processed sugary foods, junk foods, McDonalds, fast foods, all this stuff eventually catches up.

01:02:19:12 – 01:02:43:05
Nathan Crane
And these are the younger athletes that I’m hearing from now who are in their late twenties, early thirties, who are having gut health issues or having dysbiosis, who are having autoimmune diseases and brain fog, who are having, you know, hormonal problems. Right. And I’m sure you’re seeing a lot of these athletes as well. Athletic people. Yeah. I’ve been working with mostly people 50 and older for the past decade who have cancer.

01:02:43:05 – 01:03:09:19
Nathan Crane
But now that I’m you know, I have a new company we’ve launched called Plant Powered Athlete. We’re working with younger athletes. And I’m seeing this a lot more. I’m seeing this need to help younger athletes learn about real nutrition and real health. And what’s really interesting, too, and I’m documenting and researching, you know, professional athletes who were at the top of their game and then started getting knocked off because of health issues that started coming up.

01:03:09:19 – 01:03:30:08
Nathan Crane
And then they’re doing it. Then they start doing all these things that we’re talking about whole food, nutrition, more, more real plants in their diet, you know, meditation, better sleep, all this stuff that actually then their performance not only continues, but they are even the greatest in their sport into their late thirties, early forties, longer than most people have made as well.

01:03:30:09 – 01:03:58:05
Nathan Crane
And there’s not just one example. There’s multiple examples of men and women from every sport that I’m finding. So it’s really cool. But the younger generations need to realize this now, so you don’t have to deal with those chronic health problems that could take you out of your sport. You don’t have to wait for the diagnosis. You don’t have to, you know, have the problems that then, oh, now you’re now you’re really having to deal with all this pain and fatigue and problems that are preventing you from achieving your peak performance.

01:03:58:05 – 01:04:02:19
Nathan Crane
Right. So the stuff is more important for people now than ever. Yes.

01:04:03:17 – 01:04:04:08
Dr.Tim Jackson
Absolutely.

01:04:04:20 – 01:04:29:05
Nathan Crane
But I want to I want to ask you about or I want to mention something you said about HIV. So it’s really interesting. I used to wear the whoop band. I always say it like that whoop. I don’t know how. Apparently it’s one of the most accurate at tracking HIV. The problem was, I never used the data. I looked at the data every day.

01:04:29:05 – 01:04:49:09
Nathan Crane
I thought it was cool. I felt good when I was in the green and I got, you know, good sleep. And I just kind of brushed it away, brushed under the rug whenever it said it was red, it was in the red and poorly recovered and said I had poor sleep or whatever. I tried learning from the data.

01:04:50:22 – 01:05:07:00
Nathan Crane
I tried. I think the number one thing it did for me was help me. Just think about sleep at a deeper level and know that just because I’m in bed for 9 hours doesn’t mean I’m getting 9 hours of sleep. You know, that was a big eye opener for me, right? A few years back, it was like, yeah, I’m getting 9 hours of sleep.

01:05:07:00 – 01:05:29:01
Nathan Crane
I’m in bed 9 hours. And then it tracks and it’s like you slept 6 hours. I was like, What? How do I sleep 6 hours? You know, once you start realizing that it’s it’s eye opening and then you start optimizing for your sleep, like you said, you know, completely pitch black in the room, a little bit more cool trying to, you know, avoid blue light at night as much as possible.

01:05:29:01 – 01:05:47:07
Nathan Crane
Don’t eat so late. You know, a lot of these things that we can do to optimize our sleep. The problem was I wasn’t using the data for my training. Like if it was in the red, I still I had training to do. You know, it’s like I guess that’s the hard part for me is like, well, I’ve got training on my program today.

01:05:47:07 – 01:05:53:04
Nathan Crane
I’m going to hit the gym. I’m on a train no matter what, no matter. This says red, green, yellow. It doesn’t matter.

01:05:53:09 – 01:05:53:17
Dr.Tim Jackson
Right.

01:05:54:01 – 01:06:18:03
Nathan Crane
But I can now see that that mentality might be a problem. And and I’m considering, you know, starting to track HIV again and maybe actually use the data and be like, well, if it’s in the red, maybe I just do a really light, easy day today and and and see how it works. Do you have a lot of athletes you work with specifically?

01:06:18:03 – 01:06:20:01
Nathan Crane
Do you have athletes like that? Are clients of yours?

01:06:21:04 – 01:06:50:03
Dr.Tim Jackson
I have a handful at the moment. You know, I’ve had a few NFL a few NBA and one minor league baseball player or two minor league baseball players. But what I tell people terms, like you said, when your score was in the red, one thing I learned from Paul Check and Charles Pollock, once you know, when you’re stressed out, you can go work out, but decrease the number of sets of the volume.

01:06:50:13 – 01:07:03:03
Dr.Tim Jackson
So you keep the weight the same for the most part, and that creates the same metabolic stimulants. And so you’re maintaining your strength, but you’re not stressing your neuroendocrine immune system as much.

01:07:03:08 – 01:07:18:22
Nathan Crane
So and so lower the volume. And even like in my sport, CrossFit, right? It’s a lot of high intensity, right? So I say lower the volume, but also probably lower the the intensity for. So the the nervous system can respond.

01:07:19:10 – 01:07:42:15
Dr.Tim Jackson
Right? Yeah. So you’re doing a lot of Olympic lists and playing matches, etc.. So those are very neurologically demanding. And you’re more likely to get injured, right. When if you’re fatigued, you’re nervous system fatigue and you’re performing this list. That’s why you don’t go very high. I mean, I’m not an Olympic watcher, but you correct me if I’m wrong, you don’t typically go high on those reps like no more than, say, five or six.

01:07:42:15 – 01:07:42:23
Dr.Tim Jackson
Right.

01:07:43:24 – 01:08:09:06
Nathan Crane
In terms of reps, yeah. I mean, Olympic lifting training is very, you know, low rep, high weight. Right. So we’re doing singles and doubles at 80%, 85% and 90% of your one rep max. Pretty often, you know, you’re not really hitting you’re not really going down like 60, 65%. And then you’re doing, you know, six, seven, ten, 12 reps.

01:08:09:06 – 01:08:39:01
Nathan Crane
It’s definitely the opposite of bodybuilding, right? And it’s really about building maximum strength, speed and power for the Olympic lifting portion. Now bring Olympic lifting into CrossFit and now you’re training that stimulus different, dropped away 20, 30, 40%. And then you are doing high reps at high intensity to get a not only neurological and physiological response, but a hormonal, you know, adaptation response.

01:08:39:01 – 01:08:55:05
Nathan Crane
Right. So you’re training CrossFit, you’re training everything. You’re training, you know, high end strength, speed, but you’re also training endurance, your high intensity output, your training, you know, every aspect of metabolic functional health.

01:08:55:05 – 01:09:23:10
Dr.Tim Jackson
Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, CrossFit, one thing I’ll say about them is one thing I’ve seen them doing a great job with is being open minded to okay, it’s more health is about more than just hang cleans or, you know, ups or using the gymnastic trains. You know, they’re the breathwork and the sauna, the cold plunge, the nutrition. And so they’re very, in my experience, at least open to that.

01:09:23:10 – 01:09:54:08
Dr.Tim Jackson
And a lot of my colleagues have offices either connected to or inside of CrossFit gyms, you know, and they’ll do manual therapy, soft tissue work, laser or try needle, etc. on the athletes, because you’re dealing with a population that’s already one, they’re self-starters, and two, they have an accountability. And so, you know, that’s always good things. Patients, you know, I had one patient for which she was extremely compliant and she said, I’m going to have Dr. Jackson want to refer my husband to you.

01:09:54:09 – 01:10:16:18
Dr.Tim Jackson
You work with them. I said, absolutely. And the first thing he says on the call is not taking any supplements. I’m not changing my diet. I don’t have time for either one of us. I said, Sir, I’m not trying to be rude, but I don’t think I can help you. You know, there’s got to be some effort on your part, like I’ll help you as much as I can, but I mean, you can’t give me 30 seconds to take a supplement.

01:10:17:04 – 01:10:41:21
Dr.Tim Jackson
I mean, you know, so CrossFit population is very they’re very thorough in my experience. I just interviewed I don’t know if you thought as late Evan Slaughter on his Instagram handle is fit to serve one and he has like a 100 and something thousand followers, but he has a lot of aid sponsorships with CrossFit and he started doing comedy videos.

01:10:41:21 – 01:11:10:23
Dr.Tim Jackson
So long story short, he was in the military, served overseas, had an explosion, received a Purple Heart award and then got hooked on opiates, went to rehab for that. And now he’s on his journey back to health. But, you know, he his whole philosophy is, okay, everyone is fit to serve at some level. You don’t have to wait until you have six pack abs and, you know, 8% body fat to say, hey, I can help people.

01:11:11:04 – 01:11:28:14
Dr.Tim Jackson
Like there are people 2 to 3 steps behind you. You can extend the hand and help them. And so he infuses comedy. He has one video, I’ll tell you real quick, where it’s his quote unquote first day at CrossFit and, you know, the char bowl or whatever he goes over and then the coach yells at him, and where are you?

01:11:28:17 – 01:11:47:06
Dr.Tim Jackson
I think he’s got chortle all over his lip like he’s been snorting it. It’s the guy’s just hilarious. But, you know, he says the same thing about the CrossFit, the community sense of community and belongingness. And I mean, you know about this as well as I do, you know, the blue zones, I mean, having a strong sense of social connection.

01:11:47:18 – 01:12:13:02
Dr.Tim Jackson
I mean, now, I mean, I don’t even know my neighbors that live on this side. I never see him, literally never seen him. I think I said hi to one of them one time. And so, like, we need to bring that, you know, having sense of community where, you know, several years ago, if you were sick, then, you know, everyone rallied round, you know, and that when they were sick or if they had an issue, that you would return the favor.

01:12:13:14 – 01:12:36:00
Dr.Tim Jackson
And there’s a lot to be said for that. You know, we’re social beings and it activates we talked about the vagus nerve activates that ventral vagal pathway, which is the social engagement system. So just for the listeners say when we say vagal tone, we’re referring to the Vegas nerve. But there is technically two parts to it, the dark dorsal part.

01:12:36:07 – 01:13:04:07
Dr.Tim Jackson
So you’ve heard of dorsal fin tarsal range back essentially and that is the free state. So fight fight three potential legal system is the anti-inflammatory pathway and the social engagement system. So the more people are in a fight or flight sympathetic, dominant state, the more inflamed they will be. And so that’s another method through which stress damages our health.

01:13:05:05 – 01:13:26:21
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And it downregulate the immune system as well. And you need your immune system to fight these infections that we were talking about earlier. Right. I do have to agree. I think CrossFit, one of the reasons they have become so successful and exploded to thousands of gyms all around the world and millions and millions of people doing CrossFit every single day is exactly that is a community aspect.

01:13:26:21 – 01:13:52:19
Nathan Crane
It’s also you learn new things. You don’t bored. There’s always something to get better at. You got coaching, right? But it’s before and after you’re talking, you’re sharing stories, you’re hanging out, you’re you’re sharing ideas. You build a community. You build real you create real friendships. I mean, our gym here in Jacksonville, you know, on the weekends during the, you know, spring and fall, we’ll go out to the beach.

01:13:52:20 – 01:14:13:17
Nathan Crane
We’ll have anywhere from 10 to 30 people come from the gym and come and play volleyball. You know, and, you know, there’s there’s parties that we go to and different social events and we do big workouts that honor, you know, fallen heroes who have died, you know, in combat. And we’ll do a big workout in honor of them.

01:14:13:17 – 01:14:41:10
Nathan Crane
And you have, you know, 100 people from two or three gyms come together. So the communities sense is so, so valuable and so important. People think of it as just like, yeah, it’s nice. But when you really look at the science behind it, we know that when you have a community of people who support each other and you have real friendships, as you said, it’s not only activating our vagal tone, our vagal nerve, which upregulates our immune system and reduces inflammation.

01:14:41:18 – 01:15:05:07
Nathan Crane
So, you know, there’s that nice little physiological benefit from it, but you are happier and happier. People live longer right and happier people enjoy life more. And so having that sense of community, you know, I going to L.A. Fitness once in a while because I like some of their machines to use for accessory work and stuff. And it’s like everybody’s on their phone, you know, earphones in and nobody says anything to each other.

01:15:05:07 – 01:15:23:19
Nathan Crane
It looks each other, anything. It’s just like it’s like a bunch of robots in the gym. And that’s how most gyms are. And I think, you know, a lot of people don’t want to go the gym because they don’t like that and they can’t find the motivation to go there and do bicep curls in front of the mirror because they don’t really care enough about how they look to drive them.

01:15:23:19 – 01:15:40:20
Nathan Crane
Yeah. To be committed every day. And the ones who do care enough how they look, you know, they’re there two or 3 hours doing the bodybuilding and taking, you know, Instagram videos of their asses that have grown, you know, five extra inches because they get a million likes when you look at, you know, and they post it, right?

01:15:40:20 – 01:16:16:04
Nathan Crane
Like, yeah, there’s benefits to that because it’s creating, you know, a sense of physical health. But Then you also have, unfortunately, people who are truly being negatively affected by body dysmorphia, especially young Sophia Ellis, who’s a international champion, bodybuilder, not bodybuilder, international champion power lifter. She actually lifted recently more than I just recently deadlift it. I just I just finally hit a £500 deadlift.

01:16:16:04 – 01:16:46:17
Nathan Crane
Wow. A couple of weeks ago. And then I’m researching her and she weighs, you know, £50 less than me, £40 less than me. And she just deadlift at 500 and like £40, £535, something like that. You know, she’s got, you know, some between 14 and 20 records and but she struggled immensely with body dysmorphia and bulimia and anorexia to the point where she was down to £77.

01:16:46:17 – 01:17:09:15
Nathan Crane
And a lot of that is childhood trauma. And also, you know, this is why my children, 13 and eight, will not have social media until they’re at least 18. And they both know that because I think social media is totally destroying young kids brains. And as a parent, I can see that it’s destroying their self-image is destroying, you know, it’s making them think they have to look a certain way.

01:17:09:15 – 01:17:34:09
Nathan Crane
Otherwise they’re not going to be loved and that can be accepted by society. And it’s all bullshit and it’s totally dysfunctional and it’s messing up these kids lives in their brains. And you can see it in body dysmorphia, anorexia, bulimia, depression, anxiety, suicide with youth. It is so sad what’s going on in a lot of it I think is better parenting and don’t give your kids social media.

01:17:34:13 – 01:17:42:09
Nathan Crane
I mean I really yeah it’s not only that simple but I think those two things can make a massive impact and difference in the health of our youth.

01:17:43:13 – 01:18:11:10
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah, I see a lot of people who basically have the phone or the tablet or iPad maybe seeing their child’s, you know, and I mean, the blood brain barrier is not fully formed until around four and a half years of age. But back to your point about the jams, you know, half the time I’ll hear someone next to me have the free weights or on cable stock and they’re talking I’m like, oh, did you need a spot?

01:18:11:21 – 01:18:31:09
Dr.Tim Jackson
Like, Nah, I wasn’t talking to you. I okay, how was I supposed to know? Like, you know, they got an earpiece. Sound like you can’t get off that thing for like 2 minutes, right? You know, and not only that, but, you know, it’s straight into the ear like, you know, 20 minutes, like imaging studies show changes within 20 minutes of cell phone use.

01:18:31:17 – 01:18:35:10
Dr.Tim Jackson
And, you know, they have it in for 1 to 3 hours.

01:18:36:21 – 01:18:59:19
Nathan Crane
100%. Yeah. And so back to community like, you know, I think you can create a community at a regular gym that’s not CrossFit. I mean, I like I said, I was deadlifting at LA Fitness a few weeks back and I had one guy say something to me and another guy say something, and I stopped and actually walked up to him and had a conversation.

01:18:59:19 – 01:19:19:01
Nathan Crane
It wasn’t like, Oh, thank you or whatever. It was like I actually what I was doing in the middle of a lift which, which is not really ideal and start talking and then I end up having a conversation, you know, multiple times with one of the guys over the next hour. Every time I saw him somewhere else, we talked for a few more minutes, a few more minutes, a few more minutes.

01:19:19:01 – 01:19:39:04
Nathan Crane
Like you can definitely create that sense of community and connection at any gym if you’re open to it and you actually realize the value and importance of it. And yeah, some people go to the gym just to socialize and then they don’t get a good workout in. And so people go the workout, the gym, because they don’t want to socialize with anybody because their whole workday is socializing.

01:19:39:04 – 01:20:05:10
Nathan Crane
So I understand both sides of that too, but I think CrossFit does a really good balance of that, actually. And anyway, I am just a huge, big, big, big fan and proponent of CrossFit. But you also have to be mindful. There’s a lot of things that your if you’ve never done before, like Olympic lifting, like gymnastics, you know, they require a tremendous amount of flexibility and mobility.

01:20:05:23 – 01:20:28:07
Nathan Crane
And if you’re like me and you try to go heavy too quickly, you can get injured. And then people blame CrossFit. Oh, it’s CrossFit. It’s fault. It’s the injury is really high. Actually, the injury rate in CrossFit is lower than most sports that people play. And they’ve done studies on this. But when someone goes and then they get injured and then they blame CrossFit and they tell all their friends it’s because of CrossFit, it’s it’s really not.

01:20:28:07 – 01:20:46:20
Nathan Crane
It’s just you either didn’t have good coaching, good enough coaching or you weren’t aware enough of the importance of taking it going late and gaining mobility and flexibility over an extended of time before you actually lift heavy, you know, and that can take months and years. In fact.

01:20:47:22 – 01:20:48:06
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah.

01:20:48:14 – 01:20:56:21
Nathan Crane
I made those once I made those mistakes for. Sure. Yeah. And injure myself a lot because I had terrible mobility. I had no flexibility.

01:20:57:22 – 01:21:16:18
Dr.Tim Jackson
But that’s the thing too. Like it doesn’t even necessarily in my experience, I, I’m not a CrossFit or but from what I’ve seen, there’s a CrossFit inside of my gym and you know, it doesn’t have to be the certified CrossFit coach. It can be I don’t know if you’re certified CrossFit, but do you see someone else struggling with thoracic mobility?

01:21:17:00 – 01:21:39:11
Dr.Tim Jackson
And you can show, you know, some techniques like I like to have people lay their side with their top hip flexed above 90 degrees and reach back over and over, you know, to open up thoracic extension and rotation and I mean, orthopedic surgeon is never going to tell you this, but if I take an X-ray of you sitting with good posture like this, you’re going to have a good space, subcutaneous space.

01:21:39:21 – 01:21:47:12
Dr.Tim Jackson
I can have you go into kyphosis, take the same X-ray and light up direction and function. And it’s imperative when I got to do surgery.

01:21:48:01 – 01:22:14:01
Nathan Crane
Right? Right. And if that’s all the doctor has in their tool kit is is a scalpel and you know every every nowadays if they’re only tools a hammer, every thing they see a nail. Right. And that’s unfortunately I mean, I went to I went because I’m dealing with some bicep tendon apathy and I went to the ortho to have a review and MRI that I had previously because I wanted to get his input on it.

01:22:14:01 – 01:22:36:20
Nathan Crane
And he basically was like, yeah, this is, you know, tendon obviously might be ten to gnosis might have been chronic from again and again and again which is more likely showed it to me and because I really thought I was concerned his labrum and that I had a bad labrum tear and when I got the MRI because I basically had my chiropractor prescribe it to me I went and got it and then they gave it to me and it just all I got was a report.

01:22:36:24 – 01:22:57:03
Nathan Crane
The report sounded really, really bad. It was like, you know, this tear, that tear, labrum tear was bursitis, tendonitis, like a whole bunch of stuff. I was like, This sounds horrible right. And then when I actually went to an ortho and had them pull it up and look at and read it, it was like, Oh, it actually isn’t bad at all.

01:22:57:03 – 01:23:21:18
Nathan Crane
There’s like 10% fraying in the Abraham, which really isn’t bad. That’s pretty standard for most people. You know, especially an athlete, there’s definitely a tendinitis, retinopathy and, a bicep tendon, you know, these other things. The other ones with the rotator cuff stuff, I had already healed in the enforcement areas and supersprint too. So what was really left was the inflammation in the in the tendon.

01:23:22:09 – 01:23:52:17
Nathan Crane
And even though he’s like, yeah, there’s not really much we can do. You just, you know, probably do some physical therapy. But then he went into getting really excited about the idea of surgery. Even after he told me that I didn’t need surgery it was like all of a sudden his eyes lit up and he’s like, But you know, some people, if it gets really bad, what they do is we actually cut the tendon off and then reattach it up here and there and he’s like getting excited and he’s like, Yeah, you could do this and that.

01:23:52:17 – 01:24:10:11
Nathan Crane
And then I’m like, I’m sitting here going. He just went from telling me, I don’t need any surgery. It’s fine, it’ll heal. To like, now he’s excited about surgery and cut my tendon off and reattaching it somewhere else. And I’m just like, I can see how how the brain works, you know? It’s like, yeah, that’s the passion is the surgery.

01:24:10:11 – 01:24:34:02
Nathan Crane
That’s what they love to do. And I could see somebody else in that position who wasn’t me, who’s like very much in a natural health, holistic, heal, everything naturally. You know, surgery is a very, very, very, very, very last option ever possible in my mind. And someone who’s there is like, you know, that’s actually sounding pretty good. You know, that’s actually sounds oh, it might make it better.

01:24:34:02 – 01:24:43:14
Nathan Crane
I won’t have pain anymore. You know what? Let me think about that. And it’s like you don’t need and actually the complications from that could make things worse for the rest of your life. You know, it’s crazy.

01:24:43:19 – 01:25:05:07
Dr.Tim Jackson
Absolutely. There’s an orthopedic surgeon I follow on Instagram and he you know, a lot of people will say, oh, and he does a lot of regenerative medicine now. He’ll say patients ask, am I a candidate for stem cells for exercise? He’s like, the better is are you a candidate for a major invasive surgery? And, you know, there’s really no such thing as a minimally invasive surgery.

01:25:05:07 – 01:25:30:06
Dr.Tim Jackson
If you’re going under anesthesia, this invasive like your body, I mean, really only has one way to receive it. And, you know, the anesthesia interferes, I think 36% of all medications, which is a really conservative estimate or kind of toxic. So they damaged the mitochondria. And that’s one reason why people have trouble healing from surgery. But then the reverse t three goes right after surgery and that’s kind of like the brake pedal and your metabolism.

01:25:30:18 – 01:25:50:07
Dr.Tim Jackson
And it does your body does that, you know, help you heal and conserve energy. But yeah, there are good orthopedic surgeons out there now. So they say, yeah, they’re going to be, you know, ACL tears and football, contact sports and I’ll have to operate. But outside of that, you know, I’m getting better results, you know, with regenerative medicine.

01:25:51:00 – 01:26:13:16
Nathan Crane
Yeah, yeah. Tim, this has been awesome talking with you. Did I get I mean, I could just keep talking with you for, like, another hour. Yeah, fortunately, I have to go in a few minutes. But you said something. You said something really early on about testosterone, hyper converting to estrogen. And I want to make sure to get back to that and have you talk a little bit about that.

01:26:14:03 – 01:26:14:19
Nathan Crane
What does that mean?

01:26:15:00 – 01:26:47:05
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yes. So testosterone naturally in men, converts to estradiol, you know, and depending on your genetics or epigenetics, that percentage will vary. But when you’re inflamed, what that does is that causes an enzyme called aromatase, which converts testosterone next to estrogen or estradiol. It’s upregulates. In other words, you get more testosterone can burn or hyper converting into estrogen. Why do you think that’s important?

01:26:47:10 – 01:27:07:12
Nathan Crane
Why do you think why do you think our body is designed that way? What is the benefits talk about the benefit of that could be to have reduced testosterone. Should in theory actually make you less, you know, motivated, energetic you know, aggressive, etc., to go out there and damage your body. That’s the first thing that comes to my mind.

01:27:07:21 – 01:27:39:15
Dr.Tim Jackson
But yeah, I would say estrogen in general. I mean, this is a very big but estrogen essentially slows the metabolism because as estradiol goes up, so does sexual one binding globulin and thyroid binding blockage. And so it’s basically your body’s way of conserving energy. So inflammation is going to activate hypothalamic to adrenal axis. And so any inflammatory stressor will do that and increase cortisol.

01:27:40:00 – 01:27:50:10
Dr.Tim Jackson
So in your body thinks, you know, you’re dying or you have a severe injury. So in order to slow down and conserve energy, it’s going to upregulate estrogen. That’s just my hypothesis.

01:27:50:23 – 01:28:03:14
Nathan Crane
Mm. So it’s upregulate estrogen because the estrogen is going to conserve energy in your body. So your body has more energy to, to heal the, whatever the problem is.

01:28:04:11 – 01:28:37:01
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yes. So basically, a lot of times people don’t heal from whatever ailment because they aren’t producing enough ATP or energy density of the cell. And so if we can, you know, augment the mitochondria through all the things we discuss, sauna or plunging exercise, supplementation whole food, nutrition, then that’s going to help expedite healing. I tell people, if you want to think of perfect mitochondria, think of like an Olympic sprinter, and if you want to think of someone with really bad mitochondria, think of someone in ICU within the organ failure.

01:28:37:11 – 01:28:43:14
Dr.Tim Jackson
So the more systems that are involved in your symptoms, the more likelihood there is a strong and a control component.

01:28:44:01 – 01:29:02:15
Nathan Crane
Right. And so what are the negative effects of, you know, your testosterone converting to too much estrogen? And what does that look like for somebody if they were to like the hormone? I wonder if that’s happening to me. What what are some of the symptoms, physiological experiences people might.

01:29:02:15 – 01:29:30:21
Dr.Tim Jackson
So brain fog is a big one. Lack of motivation. You’re going to hold on to body fat and fluid more efficiently. You may gain some body fat. You may notice decreased energy and strength in the gym or even decreased motivation to go to the gym and then decreased libido is a big one. But, you know, libido is not just about testosterone.

01:29:30:21 – 01:30:03:18
Dr.Tim Jackson
Other hormones play a role cortisol, thyroid, etc.. But in terms of man, when you have a hyper conversion of testosterone into estrogen, you could develop extra fat around the chest, the pectoral region, and you could develop thyroid issues from indirectly ethanol raising and refining globulin and sex hormone binding globulin and, you know, the career killer. So brain fog, you know, your cognition isn’t at where it was or should be.

01:30:04:04 – 01:30:35:10
Dr.Tim Jackson
And so testosterone gets kind of just lumped into a build muscle lose fat, have sex. That’s so much more than that. You know, bone density, heart health on the heart is one of the most, if not the most mitochondrial dense organs. So testosterone influences, step one and step two of the Krebs cycle, if I remember correctly. And so that’s one reason why cardiac output can be improved upon by exogenous testosterone castration.

01:30:35:10 – 01:30:41:18
Nathan Crane
Cardiac output can be improved upon by what you say. Exogenous arousal, basically like TRT is everything.

01:30:42:09 – 01:30:46:14
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And so when you look at the testosterone.

01:30:46:24 – 01:31:00:18
Nathan Crane
You could do it naturally as well, too, right? I mean, you know, you could basically resolve that, um, the high percentage from conversion by reducing the amount of stress on your body.

01:31:00:18 – 01:31:04:02
Dr.Tim Jackson
Oh yes, I was just saying that. Yeah.

01:31:04:02 – 01:31:04:23
Nathan Crane
So you’re just saying.

01:31:04:23 – 01:31:06:01
Dr.Tim Jackson
An should.

01:31:06:14 – 01:31:06:22
Nathan Crane
Go ahead.

01:31:07:11 – 01:31:42:06
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah. The TRT. I wasn’t saying it Minister that someone’s hyper converting testosterone into estradiol. I was just the point that testosterone, it influences the mitochondria in the cycle and since the heart as mitochondrial advanced it affects cardiac output. But what you would want to do someone’s hyper converting testosterone and astral dial you would want to take anti-inflammatories depending upon your epigenetics, curcumin, glutathione and antioxidants, and then find the root causes because it’s usually more than one of the inflammation and work on whittling those away.

01:31:42:21 – 01:32:06:08
Dr.Tim Jackson
And then you know, there are natural supplements like calcium de glue. Farai Which will help your body excrete the estrogen demand will help the 2 to 4 Hydrox see as strong ratios and then there’s a supplement called my on that and why am I in that words from Dr. Chief I remember correctly it works on several pathways that help you process estrogen.

01:32:08:00 – 01:32:28:14
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And so you’re saying it’s the chronic inflammation that’s actually causing that hyper conversion. So if you. Yeah, exactly. It’s chronic inflammation, then you can then you can that that’ll be one of the things that really balances your hormones. I mean, is that true for women as well? I mean, obviously, women naturally have less testosterone and more estrogen than men.

01:32:29:13 – 01:32:33:03
Nathan Crane
Is that a similar thing that happens to women or is it different?

01:32:33:03 – 01:33:00:09
Dr.Tim Jackson
Well, it’s slightly different, but what I would say is, you know, there’s sort of a hierarchy of how you address hormones. So it’s one and glucagon and thyroid and cortisol are kind of the first level and then the sex hormones. So you just jump to someone taking the sex hormones right out of the gate. You may be doing more harm than good, number one.

01:33:01:11 – 01:33:24:23
Dr.Tim Jackson
But number two, you have to look at the whole picture. So gut health, there’s an enzyme called beta glucan. You run a and if you have too much of the bedbugs, that enzyme is elevated. And what it does is it causes your body to reabsorb estrogen. And so in that case, so a colleague of mine has he sent me his wife.

01:33:25:06 – 01:33:41:06
Dr.Tim Jackson
I was going to a clinic locally, who that’s all they do is for me to replace, but they don’t. So you can see the limitations of that. You know, you’re not even considering gut health. Like, what does that have to do with what I did my own tests on. I heard you’re on probably one of the highest I’ve ever seen.

01:33:41:06 – 01:33:53:07
Dr.Tim Jackson
And so now, you know, she’s getting much better results. She’s been working out hard the whole time and eating well. And so all it took was just, you know, looking at things slightly differently.

01:33:53:07 – 01:33:56:22
Nathan Crane
And so and then and then it got back into balance when she cleaned up her diet.

01:33:58:07 – 01:34:24:24
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah. And she’s been eating healthy all along. We put her on a gut health protocol, you know, repopulating the good, feeding the good, and then calcium glutamate and some other supplements based on her epigenetic tests. And, you know, that’s why, in my opinion, like just down the street here, there’s a clinic. It says, you know, I won’t say that now, but on in addition, it says and hormone replacement therapy, it’s almost like someone wrote it in on that.

01:34:25:11 – 01:34:47:14
Dr.Tim Jackson
Like you don’t want someone who dabbles in hormones. It’s like you don’t want someone who dabbles in ACL repairs, you know, it’s not a hobby you got to pill in. Yeah, but even, you know, people, if you put hormones, exogenous hormones into, a body, it’s extremely toxic. They’re not going to be metabolized appropriately. And you’re going to get marginal benefits the best.

01:34:48:01 – 01:35:19:18
Nathan Crane
Hmm. Yeah. I mean, I know that’s that’s a whole other conversation. I know a lot of people out there now are experimenting with hormone replacement. And, you know, there’s there’s pros and cons, of course. Right. And and whatever people want to do with that, I obviously have no problem with it. My in my stage of my life is, you know, it’s like I want to do everything 100% natural without putting, you know, experience hormones or other things like that, my body.

01:35:20:09 – 01:35:49:09
Nathan Crane
But, you know, to to each their own. And I do know some people who, especially as they’re older, you know, where they’ve tried a lot of things and not getting a lot of good results. And they have a great doctor that, you know, gives them TRT and it improves their life and their quality of life. So You know, obviously, like you said, whatever you do, make sure you’re working with a real expert who knows what the heck they’re doing and has a lot of success with a lot of patients doing it.

01:35:49:09 – 01:36:01:13
Nathan Crane
So anyway, this has been awesome. Tim, I really it’s been great talking with you, man, and yeah, you too. Appreciate you coming on the podcast and working people get in touch with you.

01:36:02:19 – 01:36:20:20
Dr.Tim Jackson
Yeah. So heal your body, work your body or she’s my website. And at the top there’s a tab that says apply to work with Dr. Ten and that’ll get sent to my email. And then we can find out if we’re a good fit to work together and take it from there. And on Instagram, it’s Dr. Tim Jackson.

01:36:21:12 – 01:36:24:06
Nathan Crane
Awesome. All right, man. Appreciate it. Take care.

01:36:24:06 – 01:36:26:06
Dr.Tim Jackson
All right. Thanks, buddy. See ya.