In today’s video, we sit down with Dr. Thomas Lodi, who has been practicing medicine for 35+ years and, in 2005, transferred his practice from New York to Mesa, Arizona, where he founded An Oasis of Healing. At that time, few, if any, other centers provided integrative cancer care: an intelligent, rational blend of effective therapies from all medical and healing disciplines. He has pioneered what has now become the definitive route for those unsatisfied with the modern cancer treatment system.
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Audio Transcript
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00:00:37:09 – 00:00:41:13
Nathan Crane
Dr. Thomas Lodi. What’s happening?
00:00:42:04 – 00:00:47:21
Dr. Thomas Lodi
I’m back in Thailand. I was in the U.S. for a few months. I’m back here and I’m so happy about it. So happy.
00:00:48:23 – 00:01:10:23
Nathan Crane
So we were literally just talking a second ago about, you know, you were saying the future is people are just sitting around all day on technology, right? Gathering information, learning, educating themselves, teaching, sharing. Like, we see that happening for good and for bad. Right. Why don’t you talk a little bit about that, especially, you know, you work with so many cancer patients.
00:01:10:23 – 00:01:30:14
Nathan Crane
You know, how is this new medium which has been around for a while. But I think it’s proliferating now more than ever, both good and bad. What are the things we got to watch out for? The pitfalls. But how can we use this best for our own health and well-being?
00:01:30:14 – 00:01:55:08
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Well, actually, about what you know, when the whole thing happened about what was it like in March of 2020, it all kind of began. And at that point, I had clinics in Thailand. Nobody could come to see me anymore. You know, Thailand got closed down and I had people from, you know, the Middle East, Australia, America, Europe, and they couldn’t travel.
00:01:55:20 – 00:02:16:01
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Hong Kong, Singapore. So that’s when I developed the program. I said, okay, well, let me let me give them a home program and then see if I can work with their doctor, whoever their doctor is, and kind of teach their doctor, you know, I like, collaborate and, and, and help them out. And it’s turned out to be, you know, really good.
00:02:16:01 – 00:02:38:09
Dr. Thomas Lodi
But there are still issues that the issues are fine. And that’s the sad part is them finding a doctor wherever they are who’s willing to collaborate and, you know, that’s been the problem in America. It’s not difficult because we have a lot of doctors in the U.S., you know, who think this way. But in other parts of the world, it is difficult.
00:02:38:11 – 00:02:49:10
Dr. Thomas Lodi
You know, I’ve got some good ones in Germany. I have one in Australia. I have, you know. Yeah, yeah. It’s hard to find.
00:02:49:20 – 00:02:50:22
Nathan Crane
Where do you find Canada?
00:02:50:22 – 00:02:52:03
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Of course, I have.
00:02:53:14 – 00:03:25:09
Nathan Crane
Yeah. What are you finding difficult? Working, with other conventional doctors. So for people who don’t know, you are a conventionally trained medical doctor, but you treat cancer holistically. You have an MDH h You explain to people what the age means behind the M.D. and what integrative medicine is for you and how you treat cancer and then yeah, what’s the difficulty that you’re finding in collaborating with other doctors?
00:03:25:09 – 00:03:51:17
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Good, good. Yeah. A conventionally trained medical doctor, M.D., and although I’ve just for everybody, maybe I’ll explain it later, but just for everybody’s sake, I have to for you to understand that I’ve kind of changed that I no longer think that it’s M.D. Medical Doctor. I think it stands for mythology, Doctor because the whole disease model to me is a myth.
00:03:52:11 – 00:04:14:03
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And I’ll explain that later. But and therefore, that’s all that. And believe me, in medical school and I went to medical school and, you know, after medical school, I did my residency in New York and at Columbia, which is one of the top ones. It’s very good. And we didn’t study anything about health. We didn’t study anything about nutrition ever.
00:04:14:23 – 00:04:46:23
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So, you know, I really don’t think we should that hospitals should call themselves health care facilities. I don’t think they should call them. They shouldn’t say it’s health insurance or they provide health care because they don’t it’s not discussed. They don’t know what health is, it’s not part of it, etc., etc.. But anyway, so I went through medical training and I did that for about ten years, but I kept running into issues with the board, the medical boards, not and you know, the medical board won’t act unless someone complains.
00:04:48:12 – 00:05:29:05
Dr. Thomas Lodi
But the medical board acted always because doctors complained it was never patients because they never heard anybody ever. But it was always doctors complaining, you know, And basically, it’s because they were coming to me instead of going getting the surgeries. So it was kind of it was almost like a labor union fight. And it’s interesting if you go back to the original, the reason why they formed the AMA in 1847, it was basically a labor union, the first professional union of physicians that ever existed in the United States was, I think I forget the name, but it was homeopathic.
00:05:29:05 – 00:06:20:15
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And that was like in the thirties, 1830s after that 1840s for the AMA for American Medical Association. And then by 1890 I’m sorry to get off on this, but by 1890 they realized that the homeopaths, the eclectic physicians, which are people that look that, you know, I had an eclectic viewpoint, and that group ethic and homeopathic I guess we’re all making $4,000 a year and the and the allopathic the MDs were only making $1,000 a year and that’s and that’s when Rockefeller Senior and his then his group hired Simon Flexner, his brother Abraham Flexner.
00:06:21:08 – 00:06:23:22
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And in 1910 we had the Flexner report.
00:06:23:22 – 00:06:26:07
Nathan Crane
Yep.
00:06:26:07 – 00:06:29:08
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And that’s it. And then from 1910 on, they took over.
00:06:29:12 – 00:06:32:02
Nathan Crane
Talk about the Flexner Report for people who don’t know what it is.
00:06:34:03 – 00:06:56:07
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Yeah, basically they, it was based, you know, Abraham Abraham Flexner when he was hired to do that. He, by the way. Well, he’s not a doctor any, any and he’s not a professor. So it’s pretty, pretty strange. He was hired to write a report on how medical education should go, what are the parameters, what should they be taught?
00:06:56:07 – 00:07:29:10
Dr. Thomas Lodi
What should doctors be taught? How should doctors practice the profession of medicine? And that’s what he was tasked with doing. And he got the job because of his brother, Simon. But basically, he was working with a couple of guys, well-known guys that in those days who were had trained in Germany. So they used it based on the German medical training, which was very strict, very and very one-sided, very what we now call science.
00:07:30:24 – 00:07:58:15
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And that was it. So he wrote out this Flexner report and he said, you have to this is what medical education is. And it was published in 1910. Now, what happened after that was that Rockefeller paid to have this curriculum basically is what it was. They have this blueprint of a curriculum or what have got what would you call it?
00:07:58:15 – 00:07:59:18
Dr. Thomas Lodi
It was kind of like.
00:08:00:11 – 00:08:14:13
Nathan Crane
Like a treatment, basically a treatment or educational criteria. Right. The the syllabus like this is Exactly. We are going to teach so soon to back up a little bit. And so Abraham.
00:08:14:14 – 00:08:14:23
Dr. Thomas Lodi
All these.
00:08:14:23 – 00:08:43:05
Nathan Crane
Schools, right? So Abraham Flexner, right? And this is you can find this on Britannica. You can find his history of him, right? He as you said, he wasn’t a scientist. He wasn’t a doctor. He got the grant from the Carnegie Foundation to go and survey the 155 medical colleges that had already been formed, or many of them had been using and teaching nutrition, homeopathic medicine, you know, natural medicine, etc., etc..
00:08:43:06 – 00:09:33:01
Nathan Crane
Right. And basically and from what I understand is Carnegie, you know, they were starting to develop pharmaceutical drugs from oil byproducts. They realized that we can create drugs from, you know, all of this all of this excess, you know, oil byproducts basically, and own the market, right. And start funding, giving grants, and donations. And they went around to all these colleges after the Flexner pour and basically said, look, if you implement these methodologies that we want you to pharmacology drugs, which they said science-based evidence-based, which we know is not totally accurate at all, then we will give you money, we will give you grants.
00:09:33:01 – 00:09:56:06
Nathan Crane
And what they did was they put board members, they put people from their own companies and organizations on the board of these schools to make sure that they were implementing what they said they were. And then who benefited? It was the Rockefellers, right through the massive investment into the pharmaceutical industry.
00:09:56:11 – 00:10:27:06
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Right, Exactly. I mean, exactly. And it was Simon Flexner who was working for the Rockefeller for us it was junior now, because I think it was in 1898 Rockefeller Senior had what they called a nervous breakdown. And he kind of gave over he gave over his work to a group of people and then he, not his son, is interesting, but his son finally got was given the go ahead around 1910 around or around the Flexner time.
00:10:27:18 – 00:10:49:14
Dr. Thomas Lodi
But anyway yeah. So and standard Oil that’s what they had right. The Rockefellers had standard oils so they had petroleum so they used petroleum products for making pharmaceuticals. But they, but they not. Here’s the thing, they not only paid all the universities to now using this, I think they closed I forget how many they closed, but it’s all in my book.
00:10:49:14 – 00:11:08:07
Dr. Thomas Lodi
My book will be coming out probably really soon. It’s called The True Second Opinion. And in that I kind of go through this history, just to give you the background of why you need a true second opinion, because you’re not going to get one. If you go to any of the if you you can go to M.D. Anderson. And I’m not saying anything negative about any of these places.
00:11:08:07 – 00:11:32:00
Dr. Thomas Lodi
I’m just showing you that you can go you know, the big ones in the United States are M.D. Anderson, Dana-Farber, Sloan Kettering, and ones like that. But if you go to them and you want one opinion, then you want to get a second opinion And a third opinion, what you will get is three first opinions. You won’t get a first, a second, and a third, because they all operate from the same database and they all have the same algorithms.
00:11:32:00 – 00:12:15:05
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And that’s because they all you know, when you talk about conventional medicine, think about what that word mean. That word actually means agreement by convention. If things are done by convention, they’re done by agreement. So, for example, all of the medical like every society, whether it’s the American College of Surgeons, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, the American College of Neurology, the American Society of Clinical Oncology, or any of these college professional colleges have algorithms of how the doctors must respond and what the doctors must recommend under certain circumstances.
00:12:16:01 – 00:12:41:01
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And that’s it. And they don’t deviate from that. The doctors cannot deviate. Therefore, you’re not getting an opinion because the doctor is scratching his head, looking at all your lab work and and having just interviewed you and saying, hmm, hmm, maybe we should do this or that or this, he’s not. He’s taking your diagnosis, which is just merely a descriptive name, right?
00:12:41:01 – 00:13:05:05
Dr. Thomas Lodi
I mean, adenocarcinoma sounds fancy, right? It just means cancer that started in a gland. So that means. Okay. But anyway, so they take that and they stick it into their algorithmic and I call it a sales algorithm, and it’s a sales algorithm and it tells them which procedures and drugs they can now sell according to that algorithm. And that’s what that is.
00:13:05:10 – 00:13:29:05
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So anyway, but you’re absolutely right. And that was it. And yes, Carnegie got very much involved with it. So it was Carnegie and Rockefeller and Abraham Flexner. He’s well known as having written the document that changed medical education forever. And now all doctors are trained with the same curriculum, same thing, which includes no nutrition and no health.
00:13:29:19 – 00:13:52:12
Nathan Crane
So when did you decide? Right. Well, I like you. You’ve told me many other medical doctors I’ve talked to over the years have told me the same thing. The most nutritional training they received when they went to school in all their years of med school was about 4 hours. And most of them have told me that four out, you know, I’m not a doctor.
00:13:53:01 – 00:14:21:09
Nathan Crane
And in the last 15 years, I literally have thousands of hours of nutritional research and training and experimentation, thousands. And I still don’t know everything. And most of the MDs who have become integrative or functional MDs say when they went to conventional medical school, they literally had 4 hours of nutritional training and it was on things like curing scurvy, which is something we don’t even worry about anymore.
00:14:21:16 – 00:14:43:03
Nathan Crane
They never hear anything. Now, some schools are changing this and some newer doctors are going through, you know, they’re getting more nutritional training. But still today, I think it’s pretty accurate to say most oncologists and conventionally trained medical doctors get very little actual nutritional training in school. How much did you do?
00:14:43:03 – 00:14:57:05
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Yeah, well, I think we had I think we actually had a half a credit, which was and we were in a six-week block. So I think we had one hour a week for six weeks. So that was it.
00:14:57:09 – 00:14:58:11
Nathan Crane
And we had 6 hours.
00:14:59:01 – 00:14:59:16
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Six hour?
00:15:00:07 – 00:15:00:12
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
00:15:00:21 – 00:15:02:00
Dr. Thomas Lodi
6 hours and that was it.
00:15:02:01 – 00:15:09:24
Nathan Crane
How much have you spent whatever you spent on your own since then, learning about nutrition, diet, lifestyle, natural solutions?
00:15:10:23 – 00:15:36:18
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Tens of thousands and everything. I ate tens of thousands of hours because that’s where I go. And what’s interesting to me is nutrition almost always answers a question because I get asked a lot of questions. I mean, for example, I had one on one of my live streams. I do live streams every Sunday night at 7 p.m. Eastern Standard on, you know, TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook.
00:15:36:21 – 00:16:00:24
Dr. Thomas Lodi
But anyway, one of them was I have the PTEN, which is a tumor suppressor gene suppression. How can I was that mean or that they call that mutation. And if you do the research you find out that, wow, isolate bioscience which come from brassica, vegetables.
00:16:00:24 – 00:16:02:14
Nathan Crane
Vegetables, leafy greens bring.
00:16:02:14 – 00:16:27:19
Dr. Thomas Lodi
That will bring that back up right in the end. We all know the brassica vegetables are are broccoli, cabbage, cauliflower, wild choi, arugula, mocca things like that, even wasabi. But but but the thing that’s interesting and this is very important and an anybody who has cancer or if you have a friend or a loved one who has cancer understands something, they misuse an idea.
00:16:27:19 – 00:16:58:20
Dr. Thomas Lodi
They do it on purpose. And, you know, I’m no longer nice to them because I have for three decades I watched in horror what’s done to people. I mean, and every day I talk to people from all over the world and I’m just shocked that it’s still happening. But anyway, they call it mutations. And here’s the thing. If you want to know what mutation is, I’m sure everyone has seen a high-functioning Down’s syndrome person with Down’s syndrome.
00:16:59:14 – 00:17:27:22
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Now, it doesn’t matter what you feed the person or what you give them intravenously, they will still have Down’s syndrome. That’s a mutation. I even had a woman who did have a really low-functioning Down’s syndrome baby, but she fed him raw vegan food. She was really, really strict about it up until he was like six or seven years old.
00:17:28:01 – 00:17:48:10
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And then she, you know, and then she started cooking some like 20%. Anyway, he graduated high school. He became high functioning, but he was still Down’s. So what I’m trying to my point here is that they misuse the word mutation and the reason they do is so if you think you have a mutation, then you think, well, there’s nothing I can do, right?
00:17:48:23 – 00:18:28:08
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And that’s not true. So almost everything that we see gets downregulated or in other words, silenced on the genetic expression on a tumor is is temporary. And there’s only there right at this moment to support the metabolic needs of the tumor. At that moment, you can change that. You can change the tumor microenvironment. And once you change the tumor microenvironment, now the genes will change because now I have to turn this one up and this one down a little bit to remember the genes are just there to support the metabolism.
00:18:28:20 – 00:18:55:21
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And that’s very, very important to understand. Let me take it even a little further. There is something in physiology called downregulation and upregulation, and this occurs with women with their menstrual cycles, right? So at the early right, right. When a woman starts to have her period at the beginning, right, we see estrogen start to the estrogen is low.
00:18:55:21 – 00:19:17:02
Dr. Thomas Lodi
It’s all been lost because the blood that’s why the period came out, because progesterone came and the estrogen was down and the, and the and the inside lining of the uterus came out. And then we had what’s called the menstrual cycle a menses. All right. So now that was sensed by the ovaries or actually by the hypothalamus and the pituitary.
00:19:17:24 – 00:19:40:20
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And it said, look, we don’t have enough estrogen, so that signals the genes to upregulate. So it does that. So the upregulation occurs for a short time and now you start producing estrogen. Once you have too much, it down, regulates it. So the same thing happens with cancer when a cell loses the ability to use oxygen and glucose because 40% of the mitochondria have been destroyed.
00:19:41:01 – 00:20:04:24
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Those are the little organelles inside the cell that produce energy. When 40% of them or more have been rendered dysfunctional for whatever, because you live in the 21st century, that now the cell has to ferment and in order to support fermentation, it turns on this and turns off this internal. It’s not mutations. So please understand that and that you still have control and you can bring it back.
00:20:05:15 – 00:20:06:14
Dr. Thomas Lodi
You can bring it back.
00:20:06:14 – 00:20:30:02
Nathan Crane
And we’re going to talk about that and what I call what I have theorized. And I think you have even talked about this. We’ve talked about this of what cancer actually is, is a survival mechanism. Right. The cell is trying to survive. That’s how I see it. It’s literally it doesn’t it’s just trying to survive. But it’s very it’s been damaged.
00:20:30:02 – 00:20:51:03
Nathan Crane
The mitochondria have died off the DNA has been damaged. Chemicals, toxins. We can talk about what causes cancer. It’s pretty clear, actually, when you research what it is, most doctors today don’t know what causes cancer. They’re not taught. They think it’s genetic. They’re not quite sure. They say maybe it’s in your family, maybe it’s too much alcohol or cigarets, which it could be present for, for people.
00:20:51:03 – 00:21:12:17
Nathan Crane
But there’s there’s a very clear causes we can talk about. I’d like you to talk about. But when that cell, you know, the cell is damaged, the mitochondria have died off, like you said, and I see it is just it’s just trying to stay alive. It’s just a survival mechanism and says, look, I can’t function properly, so I’m going to ferment to create ATP very inefficiently.
00:21:12:17 – 00:21:35:19
Nathan Crane
Only creates what, like three ATP instead of two or two ATP instead of 36 or 38 from a from a healthy cell. So it’s just right. But it has to the reason I think it rapidly replicates is that it’s so inefficient. It’s trying to keep up with the energy production of a healthy cell and so it replicates out of control.
00:21:35:19 – 00:21:36:17
Nathan Crane
What are your thoughts on that?
00:21:38:15 – 00:22:10:18
Dr. Thomas Lodi
That’s exactly it. And and and the term the term that’s used in biology is called homeostasis. So homeostasis is maintaining functional integrity regardless of what happens. And in the humans and animals, we have several. We have we have biomechanical physiological and biochemical homeostatic responses. So if someone pushes you, you’re left this way, your left leg will automatically go out and bio mechanically you will homeostatic, you will maintain balance.
00:22:10:23 – 00:22:29:13
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And it’s the best thing. It’s the healthiest thing for you. It maintains your function, your integrity. You don’t get hurt physiologically. You’re eating too much greasy foods. Your arteries get plugged up, they start narrowing. Your body says, Wait a minute, we’ve got to keep the blood flow in the brain and the heart and all that stuff. So we got to increase the pressure.
00:22:29:13 – 00:23:06:10
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So you increase the pressure. So that’s what that’s a physiological homeostatic, corrective response. But you go to a doctor and they’re going to see you have a disease. There. And this is the myth of disease, I guess it comes in right about here. So this is the myth of disease. It’s not a disease, it’s the body engaging and in a corrective survival mode, because in the same thing as you were saying with cancer, if the blood pressure was not increased when with you having your arteries blocked from eating pizzas and whatever bacon going, that too.
00:23:06:18 – 00:23:09:00
Nathan Crane
Many donuts, too much soda.
00:23:10:17 – 00:23:31:19
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Yeah, all that stuff, if you if they weren’t blocked, I mean if they’re blocked and your blood pressure doesn’t go up then that you won’t have enough blood flow to the brain or the heart to stay alive. So it’s basically it’s a way to stay alive. Yeah. So that’s what homeostasis is, is how can, how does the body maintain its function as well as good as possible under the circumstances?
00:23:31:19 – 00:23:53:07
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And that’s exactly what happens with cancer. It’s a homeostatic corrective response, even diabetes. Right. You’re eating too much glucose. The body knows even though we don’t. But the body knows that glucose, yeah, it’s important, but it kills if you get too much of it. So it becomes insulin resistant. It’s not a disease is that’s a corrective adaptive response to maintain the functional integrity life.
00:23:53:14 – 00:24:17:14
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So what happened with cancer is the same thing. You knock out the mitochondria and it’s got to stay alive. So it starts to ferment. And fermentation, by the way, is the most fundamental way that even a lot of single-celled organisms, That’s how we make wine and cheese fermentation, but it’s very inefficient. It only gives you two energy molecules for every glucose, two atpase.
00:24:17:14 – 00:24:43:04
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So whereas as, as Nathan was saying, if you have intact mitochondria, six oxygens, one glucose give you 3880 beats, well that’s a big deal, that’s 19 times two is 38. This means that this, this fermenting cell, this 19 times less efficient at producing energy. So it needs 19 times more fuel. So what does what is what does the cancer cell do?
00:24:43:21 – 00:25:12:00
Dr. Thomas Lodi
It upregulates insulin receptor production and we can measure cancer cells have more insulin receptors. They also have more transferrin receptors because they need more iron and it’s measurable. And what’s very interesting is you can even if you were to look, take a few samples of cells and look at the volume of insulin receptors or the volume of transferrin receptors for iron.
00:25:13:20 – 00:25:40:09
Dr. Thomas Lodi
You can even say this person probably has stage four or stage three. You can tell by the number of receptors that’s how important this is. But anyway, those are just two things that happen. Other things happen. P53 gets turned down, PTEN gets turned down, all of the things get turned down. So everything that gets turned on and everything, they get silenced is done to support metabolism and that metabolic need.
00:25:40:09 – 00:26:02:14
Dr. Thomas Lodi
The new metabolic need now is that we need 19 times more glucose and we’ve got to make the best out of it because we still need all cells. By the way, just and this is known by biologists needed we need an average of 57 kilojoules per mole, regardless if it’s an elbow cell or a heart cell that’s beating it 120 times a minute.
00:26:03:03 – 00:26:16:02
Dr. Thomas Lodi
If they all need 57 kilojoules per mole, that’s it. You don’t need to know what those units mean. It’s not important. It’s just that I just want you to know that there is a number of how much energy a cell needs, regardless of what it’s doing.
00:26:16:03 – 00:26:19:00
Nathan Crane
Now that that’s a healthy cells, that also a cancer cell.
00:26:20:04 – 00:26:57:04
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Well, not even a cancer cell. So even a rapidly and actually Otto Warburg discovered that in 1902, in the twenties. So even a cancer cell or a healthy cell, whether it’s a brain, whether it’s a quiescent cell, like an elbow cell versus a hard sell, which is being they still need that much energy to run the show. And we know that about 55% of the energy that a cell produces from whatever it brings in from the environment is used just to maintain the shape of the cell.
00:26:57:12 – 00:27:18:12
Dr. Thomas Lodi
The other 45% is used for cellular function. So the heart can do the hard stuff, the liver can do liver stuff, kidney can do kidney stuff. But 55% of the energy that’s brought in from, you know, oxygen and glucose or whatever the self brings in, plants do something differently, whatever it brings in. 55% of that energy is just for the cell to exist.
00:27:18:21 – 00:27:42:06
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So, yeah, so you’re right, it’s a homeostatic corrective survival response. And that’s what cancer is. And that’s why I would really like people with cancer to understand that cancer is not this thing that got into you like an alien. It’s your body adapting. And therefore with the conventional model, which is the doctor says, I’m the general, I’m going to war.
00:27:42:06 – 00:28:01:15
Dr. Thomas Lodi
I declare war on the tumor. We’re going to kill that tumor. And he gets his soldiers and he goes and he goes, right, which is nurses and technicians. And they go to war against that tumor. Well, it’s that’s the wrong paradigm. And your body is the battleground, and that’s where the collateral damage is. And that’s why it’s such a horrible failure, that paradigm.
00:28:01:15 – 00:28:28:11
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So that’s not what’s going on. What we need to do and it’s very simple. Think about this. What if we did this? What if we restored mitochondrial function? Oh my gosh. Now the cells no longer by definition ferment. It’s since it’s no longer fermenting, it’s no longer cancer. But we don’t even talk about it. It’s not in any of the therapies.
00:28:28:14 – 00:28:41:23
Dr. Thomas Lodi
You’ve never heard this before. No one’s ever said, How do we restore mitochondrial function? So the cell goes back to being a healthy cell that, you know, there are ways. There are ways.
00:28:41:24 – 00:29:23:18
Nathan Crane
Yeah. We’ll talk about it. We’ve I’ve delving into this deeply with you and many other experts for the past decade-plus in my documentaries, Summit’s docu-series. The reason I’m doing this podcast now is that while we’ve been able to thankfully reach and help hundreds of thousands of people with all of those series and get this information out to health seekers around the world, you know, this information needs to get to tens of millions, hundreds of millions, billions of people to realize what’s possible, because like you just said, the current approach for cancer treatment is very sad and it’s very ineffective.
00:29:23:22 – 00:29:52:15
Nathan Crane
We know if just look at the statistics, you know, the reason why the entire focus is a five years survival improvement. I mean, that’s the whole focus of cancer. It’s not did we actually completely reverse the cancer and improve your quality of life? Did we help you, you know, create more energy and heal this disease and feel better and have, you know, reclaim your health and eliminate the pain?
00:29:52:15 – 00:30:14:21
Nathan Crane
It’s did we extend your five-year survival rate by 2%, by 3%, by 7% with the chemotherapy, with the drugs at any cost, at the cost of destroying your immune system, at the cost of causing two or three other diseases or pharmaceutical dependency at the financial cost of putting you or your family into hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt.
00:30:15:08 – 00:30:45:03
Nathan Crane
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00:30:45:03 – 00:31:06:13
Nathan Crane
I’m just giving it to you for free. You can go download it at becoming cancer free dot com. All right, let’s get back to the show. You know, I talk with cancer patients all the time, just as you do. And you know how damaging all of these treatments and this, you know, financial burden can be on people. And the problem is, is people are not given the truth.
00:31:06:13 – 00:31:40:20
Nathan Crane
They’re not given the facts about the treatments. Now, there are some conventional treatments that do pretty well, right? Testicular cancer with chemotherapy, I think it’s close to a 50% cure rate with that, but that’s pretty rare. Most cancers with chemotherapy radiation have, you know, the largest study ever done on chemotherapy. That was in Australia. In the United States, a hundred and 60,000 plus people found that chemotherapy across 22 major adult cancers only improved, five year survival rate by 2.3%.
00:31:41:18 – 00:32:21:13
Nathan Crane
And not to mention the quality of life and the financial devastation that you know occurred in all of these people’s lives. So I’m not against conventional medicine. I mean, I think you’re more hard on it that I am. I think there’s a time and place for some of it. But what I think people really absolutely need to understand and to learn is exactly what you teach people and work with cancer patients with is, look, this is not only primarily preventable, but cancer is a diet and lifestyle-related cardio sorry, not cardiometabolic disease, meaning.
00:32:22:03 – 00:32:48:13
Nathan Crane
Right. That it is primarily if we get if we figure out how to restore the mitochondria, if you figure out how to restore a homeostatic metabolic functioning in the body through diet and lifestyle and environment, then we can take control of our health. And you see it all the time with your patients. I see it all the time with the people I meet and have interviewed for over a decade, and it’s totally possible, but that’s it.
00:32:48:13 – 00:33:10:22
Nathan Crane
We have to understand what cancer is. And one of the things that you told me years ago filming you for my one of my documentaries, the Integrative Perspective, which you said is stuck with me ever since you said when patients come to see me and they’re there, they’re asking me how to Doc, how do I get rid of this cancer?
00:33:11:04 – 00:33:33:24
Nathan Crane
How do I get rid of it? You told me that you don’t really hear them saying that. What you hear them saying is, How do I stop making this cancer? Because we are making cancer every day in our bodies through our choices, consciously or unconsciously. And we have the power with the right education, the right knowledge to stop making cancer.
00:33:35:09 – 00:33:41:03
Nathan Crane
So talk about that. Talk about what what what causes cancer in the body and how do we stop making it?
00:33:42:23 – 00:34:10:08
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Well, well, think for a moment. Think about it. Suppose you had you just found out you had a small mass in your pancreas and it was cancer in your or in your colon, on your breast. If it doesn’t grow and it doesn’t spread, you’ll live a normal life. So your real question is not how do I get rid of this, but how do I stop making it?
00:34:10:20 – 00:34:34:05
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Because that’s the problem. And we know that most people that die with cancer from as a result of having cancer die. And this is not going to be popular. But I’m sorry, it’s true. Die because of what is called treatment. However, if you read the books, the books say, and this is the secondary number. So I say it’s the number two cause it’s metastatic.
00:34:34:05 – 00:34:42:20
Dr. Thomas Lodi
This is that has gone from the original site, whether it was breast or pancreas, two other sites, and it just fills up other organs.
00:34:42:20 – 00:35:00:06
Nathan Crane
So the research I’ve seen recently is actually most cancer patients don’t even die from cancer at all, but actually from heart disease. And I could I know I could be wrong, but that’s that’s what I saw when I was researching this, like in the last few weeks.
00:35:01:01 – 00:35:17:13
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Well, what happens? But it’s interesting what happens when you look for and you learn this when you really pathologies know this, when you look at the final cause of death in somebody, it’s kind of a morbid subject that apologize, but it’s usually the heart stops.
00:35:18:03 – 00:35:43:02
Nathan Crane
Okay, here it is so from nature dot com, right. One of the most prestigious medical journals there is. Yeah. At the ten-year plus follow-up. So if they’ve had a cancer diagnosis, you’ve had it for ten-plus years and then you’ve passed away. That’s where from most cancers more, more patients die from heart disease than from their primary cancer in prostate, colon.
00:35:43:02 – 00:36:07:07
Nathan Crane
And I have to look up the study here to get the other ones, a few other cancers. So that’s what’s crazy. Just to illustrate the point you just made, that in fact, if cancer never grows and it’s not causing a lot of problems or a lot of pain or loss symptoms, which most cancers don’t, in fact, you can live a normal life and be totally fine without totally wrecking your body doing, you know, treatments that are going to destroy you.
00:36:08:06 – 00:36:30:06
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Exactly. So the question is not how do I get rid of this, but how do I start making it? Because you because this is a sad truth. You go to the surgeon, got rid of it. Now what? Now it’s going to come back. And that’s one thing. And that’s that’s why there’s another thing I often say, and that is it’s not hard getting rid of cancer.
00:36:30:06 – 00:36:32:00
Dr. Thomas Lodi
The hard part is keeping it gone.
00:36:32:00 – 00:36:35:19
Nathan Crane
Why is it because I mean, why does it come back? Why does it recur for so many people?
00:36:37:04 – 00:37:06:24
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Well, because there are there are small B0 point 1% of any tumor is cancer stem cells. And these are cells that can become new tumors. Okay. So a mature cancer cell cannot become a new tumor. And in order for a mature cancer cell to actually cause a metastasis or spread, it has to go through what they call epidermal to mesenchymal transition.
00:37:07:08 – 00:37:36:14
Dr. Thomas Lodi
EMT Right. So in other words, in epidermal is a mature cell, the mesenchymal cell is a stem cell. So it has to go through that transition gas. What helps that happen? Guess what makes that happen? Guess what enhances that whole process? Two things high dose chemotherapy and radiotherapy, radiation therapy. Both of them stimulate epidermal to mesenchymal transition. They also stimulate the tumor microenvironment to be acceptable.
00:37:36:14 – 00:38:09:24
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So now there’s a good nest waiting for this little baby to show up. I mean, all the six steps that are necessary for a successful transition ever for a successful metastasis are enhanced by high dose or what they what they call maximum tolerated chemotherapy and radiotherapy. So that’s why and this is I want everyone to keep this in mind, if someone gets a cancer, let’s say it’s breast and they say we’re going to do a lumpectomy, and they got the lumpectomy, they took it out and they say the margins are clean, meaning there’s no tumor in the margins.
00:38:11:09 – 00:38:33:13
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Now they say we want to do chemo and radiation. And you would say why? And they’ll say, well, just to be sure and you should say, to be sure of what? Well, to be sure that it doesn’t spread. Okay. I get that and I appreciate that. But can you please tell me how is that going to happen? Since chemo and radiation can only kill mature tumor cells and you said you already got it all.
00:38:33:19 – 00:38:44:22
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So the only thing left are the are the stem cells. So please tell me what you’re thinking. And if you do this, you’ll get them kicking you out of your office, unfortunately, because that’s what they do. Right.
00:38:45:19 – 00:39:11:05
Nathan Crane
I’ve heard that story many times. Yeah. If you do start questioning your oncologist, they don’t like it and they basically yell at you and kick you out. Unless you get somebody who really deeply cares about you and does deeply care about the truth and is willing to look into these hard questions which some of them do like yourself, like me, the integrative MDs that I work with, and many of the oncologists that I work with, they ask these hard questions and they want to know the truth.
00:39:11:05 – 00:39:23:04
Nathan Crane
And so they’re willing to go down this questioning with you. But if they’re not, that’s a good sign that maybe you should question are they the right doctor for you?
00:39:24:01 – 00:39:46:11
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Right, right, right. And, you know, integrative is the integrative oncology is what we do. So actually, I do I do a lot of conventional things you’d be surprised. For example, you know, I had a guy with a complete blockage of his of his goal. And there was only one thing we can do. And that’s surgery.
00:39:47:00 – 00:40:09:14
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Nothing else. There was no and there’s no nonallopathic nonconventional way to deal with that. I have a patient with a tumors in their brain, a glioblastoma, and it’s growing rapidly. We’ve got to do radiotherapy. We have to do radiation. You know, I mean because you know, with gliomas you’ve learned that if you go in, the more you cut it, the more it grows.
00:40:09:14 – 00:40:43:10
Dr. Thomas Lodi
It’s almost like a fungus, you know, it’s like it makes it grow more. So you try to use radiotherapy. If I have someone who’s got a tumor with it and it’s causing excruciating pain, we’ve got to do radial radiation therapy, we’ve got to decrease that pain. So I will use chemo if we have an impending blockage of a vital function like breathing, eating bowel movements, etc., or a large tumor burden or whatever, and I have to use chemo, I’ll use it, but I’ll use it rationally.
00:40:43:15 – 00:41:11:22
Dr. Thomas Lodi
I use it with low doses and insulin. Why? Just as we just discussed, cancer cells have 15 anywhere from 7 to 19 times more insulin receptors. Therefore, or if I do insulin potentiation therapy, what I do is I wind up killing, targeting the cancer cell and not the non-cancer cell so that people don’t lose their hair, they don’t lose their lunch, they don’t lose their bone marrow.
00:41:12:09 – 00:41:16:05
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So anyway, so we do use that’s when an integrate of approaches.
00:41:16:05 – 00:41:52:05
Nathan Crane
And so so you’re going to get on the on the insulin before because I want to stay on that for easy on insulin potentiation therapy which is low dose chemo. When I researched this years ago, correct me if I’m wrong, I found research that said it’s something like 10,000 times more effective than just high-dose chemo, which is what most doctors use, low dose insulin potentiated therapy, which is very small amounts, targeted up to like one eighth or one-quarter of the amount, correct me if I’m wrong, was like 10,000, 1000 or 10,000 times.
00:41:52:05 – 00:42:00:02
Nathan Crane
I have to look it up. It was significantly more effective and less detrimental to the body. Is that right?
00:42:00:12 – 00:42:02:05
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Exactly. No, no, that’s it.
00:42:02:06 – 00:42:07:03
Nathan Crane
And why don’t doctors know this and why don’t they use it?
00:42:07:03 – 00:42:23:14
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Right. And when I talk to the oncologist. Right. Because sometimes they’ll talk to me. And when they talk to me and I tell them I had a I remember my mother’s oncology is said to me he was obligated to talk to me because I was her son. But he talked to me and he said, well, God, why don’t we know this?
00:42:24:13 – 00:42:51:09
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And I felt bad for the guy. But I said, Well, you want me to teach you? And he goes, No. So I didn’t feel bad anymore because why don’t you want me to teach you? But anyway, what you know, one of the I think what you were what you were alluding to there is that and I try to I’ll try to make this as brief as possible.
00:42:51:09 – 00:43:33:06
Dr. Thomas Lodi
But one of the things that the insulin does when it binds to an insulin receptor is it changes the permeability of the cell membrane so that it becomes much, much more permeable. Okay. So if the cancer cells have more insulin receptors and you give insulin to someone who has not eaten that day, so they’ve been fasting for a minimum of 12 hours now we know it’s better to do it for 24 hours, but if fasting for 12 hours at least now you give some insulin, the same amount of insulin that you will that your body would produce during a normal meal, those cancer cells have more insulin receptors and a 70% higher affinity for insulin.
00:43:33:12 – 00:44:03:21
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So they’re going to grab them and hold on to them and that’s going to change their permeability. So now they become permeable. So again, insulin potentiation, therapy began in 1936. First cancer patient treated in 1943 went on to die from something else 30 years later, not from cancer. They didn’t have chemo in those days. Guess what? They used mercury and arsenic, low doses of mercury and low doses of arsenic because they didn’t have any chemo.
00:44:03:21 – 00:44:26:04
Dr. Thomas Lodi
That was the only poisons they had. So in other words, the insulin allows you to open the door. So what you were referring to is that what we find is that the reason they do maximum tolerated chemo is because the cell is going to have every its membranes and everything is going to be resisting the chemo from going in.
00:44:26:13 – 00:44:44:14
Dr. Thomas Lodi
But once you connect with the insulin receptor, now the membrane becomes permeable and anything in the environment and this is why we eat. I mean, this is why one of the purposes of insulin, right? Eat food. And we would need to absorb it. It needs to get into our cells. We need to get those nutrients into our cells.
00:44:44:19 – 00:45:06:06
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So one of the things that happens and basically the enzyme is called delta 90 surgeries, which is stimulated by insulin binding to an insulin receptor that changes the stearic acids into oleic acids. And then that and then becomes permeable. The food goes in, but so does chemo, so does arsenic, so does mercury. Anything will go in. So that’s why.
00:45:06:07 – 00:45:34:09
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So you actually get a higher intra-tumor concentration of the chemotherapy than you would had you given high dose. And the reason they call it maximum tolerated is because if they gave you any more, you would die. So they give you as much as you can tolerate without dying and hoping that it’s going to force itself in and all you had to do was give a little bit of insulin, give a 10% dose and you’ll get more inside.
00:45:35:10 – 00:46:02:12
Nathan Crane
Yep. And so 1981, 1981, Georgetown University Medical School study showed the chemotherapy, drug, methotrexate had the ability to enter cancer cells at a rate 10,000 times greater when the cells were prepared with insulin. This article also goes on to say normally IPT patients also do not go bald or experience severe nausea or organ damage like when you do the high-dose chemo.
00:46:02:22 – 00:46:04:17
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Was the author. La Selva.
00:46:06:09 – 00:46:10:09
Nathan Crane
I have to go find the actual paper here. This was an article that was written about it.
00:46:12:07 – 00:46:45:08
Dr. Thomas Lodi
In your George Doc. Well, La Selva did a similar one with methotrexate alone, insulin alone, and then methotrexate an insulin. He had to go. By the way, back in those days. You have to understand something back in those days. And even today, pharmaceutical companies won’t pay for this research. So Dr. La Selva, who’s a well-known doctor oncologist in ASCO, had to go back to his home country of Uruguay and go to the university center there to get it funded.
00:46:45:08 – 00:47:07:16
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And that’s when he did that study on breasts with methotrexate. And so this might be different. This is if is Georgetown. I have to read that. That sounds great, but so is 10,000 times. Right. And the other thing is this. Keep this in mind, too, and very important. Everyone knows the doctor will try one chemotherapy and then it’ll work for a while and then it’ll fail.
00:47:07:16 – 00:47:31:15
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Then he’ll try another protocol. It’ll work for a while, fail another one, the same thing. And what he says is, I’m afraid that we’ve turned on the multidrug-resistant gene, The multidrug-resistant gene. And what that is basically is that when you give high, maximum tolerated chemotherapy, the cell has learned to push it out quicker than you can get it in.
00:47:32:00 – 00:47:55:06
Dr. Thomas Lodi
That’s all that means. It’s pushing the chemo out faster than you can get it in. So when you go through the insulin door, which the cancer cell can’t close because it needs it for survival, but when you go through the insulin door, you can go in quicker, more quickly. So oftentimes when I’ve had oncologists tell a patient, look, there’s nothing else I can do it.
00:47:55:06 – 00:48:17:18
Dr. Thomas Lodi
None of this seems to work, but go see this guy. I don’t know what he does, but it works. You know, one of those weird things. But so they come to me. I use the exact last protocol that that their oncologists had used that exact last protocol with 10% the dose and insulin and it works. So that’s the amazing thing anyway.
00:48:17:18 – 00:48:46:17
Dr. Thomas Lodi
But that’s not all we do what we’ve done. We’ve gone beyond that and I’ve said, you know, I just because my goal is to never have to eventually not have to do low dose chemo at all. So we do insulin-potentiated, curcumin therapy, insulin-potentiated quercetin therapy, insulin potentiated amygdala therapy. So, you know, any kind of botanical agent, I want to make sure that it hits the target.
00:48:46:17 – 00:49:17:18
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And one of the big problems with curcumin is and we know this from a what was that naturopathy doctor he’s very he’s really amazing. Anyway it’s and it can’t remember right now but anyway really a great, great researcher he’s not practicing anymore but he was looking at curcumin therapy and he found that he had to get up to 20 as a single agent with cancer curcumin from turmeric.
00:49:18:05 – 00:49:49:24
Dr. Thomas Lodi
He found that he had to get up with some patients up to 2800 to 800 milligrams. That’s a lot of curcumin. Yeah, and usually people that get more than 1200, they start getting orange, you know, orange skin and they start getting yeah, it’s not much fun anyway. But so what we would we do we just use insulin and we I can do I can keep it down to around 200, 300 milligrams and use insulin and we can get really effective responses with using curcumin.
00:49:49:24 – 00:49:51:09
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And in that way.
00:49:52:17 – 00:50:23:01
Nathan Crane
Okay. So I want to back up. Basically, I think we could say the underlying condition that leads to cancer is the damage of DNA and mitochondrial die off and dysfunction. Right. If we wanted to simplify it like like the way to explain one of the core underlying conditions that leads to cells becoming cancerous, would you say that?
00:50:24:00 – 00:50:27:00
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Well, no, except for the not the DNA, just the mitochondria.
00:50:27:12 – 00:50:40:11
Nathan Crane
Well, well, isn’t the DNA being damaged like, let’s say I put a carcinogen into my body, Isn’t it damaging the DNA at a cellular level as well as killing the mitochondria? Right, right, right.
00:50:40:14 – 00:50:41:09
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Yeah. Yeah.
00:50:41:21 – 00:51:01:20
Nathan Crane
And so but just correct me if I’m wrong, Is not DNA damage part of the dysfunction of the mitochondria that leads to the die-off and and the cell chronically fermenting and becoming cancers? Am I stating that correctly or am I saying that wrong?
00:51:02:17 – 00:51:22:21
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Well no, but that’s almost the, the conventional idea of the somatic mutation theory. And with Thomas Siegfried and I’m a lot of people may have heard of him Thomas Seefried at Boston College, you know, he’s a Ph.D. scientist. He’s kind picked up where Auto Warburg left off.
00:51:22:21 – 00:51:25:04
Nathan Crane
Right. I just interviewed him the other day and and it’s.
00:51:26:11 – 00:51:27:07
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Huh, Did you.
00:51:27:15 – 00:51:29:03
Nathan Crane
I just interviewed him the other day. Interviewed him?
00:51:29:08 – 00:51:50:20
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Yep Oh, fantastic. Yeah. So what he’s done is it’s called cyber bread experiments, where they take a healthy cell and a cancer cell. And if genetic, if it’s in the genes, then by taking the genes out of the cancer cell and replacing it with the into that healthy cell, it should turn into cancer. And it doesn’t and it does.
00:51:50:20 – 00:51:52:02
Nathan Crane
Back to being normal. Exactly.
00:51:52:19 – 00:52:15:01
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And then you take out the healthy genes and you put them into the and and and you remove the cancer genes and you put the healthy genes in and you’ve got defective mitochondria, that cell either dies or becomes cancer if it get up, regulate right correctly. So it’s not in the genes and that’s kind of so he wrote the book called Cancer is a Metabolic Disease.
00:52:15:11 – 00:52:42:06
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Again, I wouldn’t use the word disease because I think and I also don’t like the word pathology. I don’t like the word pathology, because that sounds as if something’s going wrong. Nothing’s ever going wrong. The body cannot make mistake. Remember, never forget who made this body. Okay? God, nature does not make mistakes. Our bodies never make mistakes. They always function under the law of necessity.
00:52:42:06 – 00:52:53:07
Dr. Thomas Lodi
They’re doing what’s necessary. Okay? They can be overwhelmed. And that’s what happens. We get overwhelmed, but we don’t make mistakes. So. Yeah, but anyway, so that that that’s the thing.
00:52:54:02 – 00:53:18:12
Nathan Crane
Okay, So if we go with more of Professor Siegfried’s theory, and this is published in PubMed, he has documentation on this is that it’s, it’s a mitochondrial metabolic disease and actually has nothing to do with the DNA at all. So you’re saying.
00:53:18:21 – 00:53:23:10
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Yeah, that’s yeah, yeah. Isn’t that interesting. I mean it’s really interesting.
00:53:23:17 – 00:53:32:23
Nathan Crane
So let’s say if that’s the case then talk about what kills off the mitochondria, which causes the cell to become cancerous.
00:53:32:23 – 00:53:56:18
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Okay. So the mitochondria, because that is the organelle is a term for a little organ inside of a cell. So the organelle called the mitochondria in order to make ATP requires six oxygen molecules and one glucose for every glucose. Now the thing about oxygen, is oxygen is a double-edged sword. It’s really, really important, but I wouldn’t light a match around it.
00:53:57:11 – 00:54:20:13
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Okay, So because it’s flammable, so out here in the in the macro world, oxygen is flammable on the micro world, in the biological world, it’s also, quote, flammable. In other words, it’s dangerous. And what I mean by that is when and in fact, the reason why oxygen is so useful to make energy is that it’s got all these extra electrons.
00:54:20:21 – 00:54:44:06
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So as it enters in to the mitochondria, it splits apart into two superoxide and ions. Right now the mitochondria use that of course and they grab the energy from it and all that. So the reason that one glucose instead of making two ATP can well 36 inside the mitochondria 36 is because of the help of the oxygen.
00:54:44:13 – 00:55:13:17
Dr. Thomas Lodi
As a consequence, those oxygen molecules become what are called free radicals or reactive oxygen species. And so mitochondria are full of reactive oxygen species, they’re full of free radicals and therefore they’re very they’re damaging. And that’s why think about it. Think about the energy you have at 7 a.m. versus 7 p.m.. That’s because your mitochondria are no longer produced in 36.
00:55:13:23 – 00:55:35:00
Dr. Thomas Lodi
They’re kind of worn out. So now maybe you’re producing 31 or they’re 29, right? And then by 10 p.m. you’re producing whatever. So the point is, so what happens when you go to sleep? Part of the things when you go to sleep, if you stopped eating 3 to 5 hours before you went to bed, you’re not absorbing glucose because your guts empty.
00:55:35:00 – 00:55:54:11
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Well, if your guts empty, you’re not absorbing glucose, you’re still breathing. So you’re getting those six oxygen molecules. Where is your body going to get the glucose from? It’s going to recycle damaged stuff inside the cell. And one of the damaged things or damaged mitochondria. So it’s called autophagy or autophagy and it recycles eats up and it gets rid of those.
00:55:54:11 – 00:56:22:11
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And the beautiful thing about mitochondria is that they have their own DNA. So the minute you tear one apart, it makes a new one. So now you wake up in the morning with all these fresh mitochondria that are pumping out ATP, whereas when you went to bed, they were kind of sluggish. So that’s that’s the thing. But so the answer to the question, Nathan, is that because the mitochondria have all these three radicals in them, they’re the most vulnerable.
00:56:22:11 – 00:56:45:12
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So if you live in the 21st century and you’re getting exposed to non-organic foods with chemicals and heavy metals and you’re getting exposed to electromagnetic frequencies and you’re stressed out, so you’ve got all this cortisol and adrenaline and all this other stuff and your all that stuff. You put it all together. And that’s the most vulnerable part of the cell is the mitochondria.
00:56:45:18 – 00:57:11:20
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So they get kicked off first. Now, when Otto Warburg was doing his experiments, they didn’t know what mitochondria were. All he knew was he would take a group as a petri dish of skin cells, a petri dish of ovarian cells, of prostate cells or whatever turned down the oxygen 30 or 40%. It became malignant cancer. He turned back up the oxygen and came back to normal.
00:57:12:21 – 00:57:23:09
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So he called cancer a failure in cellular respiration. Right. And for that reason, now we know it’s the mitochondria. So that’s kind of how it happens.
00:57:23:10 – 00:57:57:00
Nathan Crane
So mitochondrial dysfunction is actually directly related to multiple diseases, right? Autism, vascular disease, dementia, diabetes, cancer, Parkinson’s disease, early you name it. And we need so how I how I understand mitochondria and correct me if I’m wrong is it’s kind of like it’s more than it’s been described as like the battery of the cell but I know it’s much more than that.
00:57:57:00 – 00:58:18:15
Nathan Crane
But I it helps me understand and explain to people it’s like the battery in your cell. Right. And it does a lot of different functions, a lot of communication, a lot different things. And in your cell, let’s say you have, you know, hundreds of mitochondria. It’s like hundreds of batteries or thousands even. Depends. Right. How many mitochondria are in a single cell.
00:58:18:17 – 00:58:27:07
Nathan Crane
But it depends how healthy you are, how healthy your cells are. You know how I don’t know how many mitochondria I can’t remember are in a healthy cell on average.
00:58:27:07 – 00:58:40:00
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Well, the number that was exactly right. I mean, a hard sell versus a breast cell, a heart cells is going to need a lot more mitochondria because it’s doing a lot of energy. So there’s differing amount in different cells. Okay.
00:58:40:06 – 00:59:00:09
Nathan Crane
So so so it’s like battery. So let’s say you had a big vehicle like a that took like a hundred batteries to run it or something. Right or a house or whatever it was. It took a lot of batteries to run it. So those batteries have a potential. They let’s say they’re running at 100%. And, you know, boom, all your electricity, everything’s running fantastic.
00:59:00:09 – 00:59:32:23
Nathan Crane
They’re running at their maximum potential. Well, what if those batteries are only running at 50% of their potential and? On top of that, 50% of those batteries didn’t work at all or they died off. And that’s what we’re experiencing today, right, in this modern disease epidemic, this chronic disease pandemic that we’re experiencing today is a massive dysfunction of mitochondria in most people’s cells and a lack of mitochondria inside most people’s cells.
00:59:32:23 – 00:59:53:13
Nathan Crane
And both of these things are primarily in our control, right, where we can actually build more mitochondria in the cell, the quantity, and we can improve mitochondrial function within that quantity. And most of this, the research is so exciting. Today is like most of this is literally in our control through diet and lifestyle.
00:59:55:03 – 01:00:27:04
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Exactly and what is probably the most common symptom of any, quote, disease fatigue. Hmm. I don’t have any energy. I know. Okay. So it is mitochondria. It’s it. And remember, I want to remind everybody about fever. There’s two main reasons why we get fevers. Okay. What number one is our immune system gets woken up, our macrophages wake up our natural killer cells, wake up, everything gets turned on.
01:00:27:04 – 01:00:45:13
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Our innate immune system becomes powerful and ready to go. Like it’s just it’s ready to go. It’s got its armor on. Okay. That’s number one, right now. Number two, is that now that your you’ve got an injury of some sort, that’s why you got a fever, right? You got it. Bacteria got in you or whatever. Whatever happened, you got stabbed or whatever happened.
01:00:45:13 – 01:01:10:03
Dr. Thomas Lodi
You’re starting to get a fever now. You need extra energy because you not only need the energy to run your cellular work, you need the energy to heal. And so that’s so one of the things we have learned is that temperature causes something, a phenomenon, a nuclear product called from the nucleus called heat shock proteins. And heat shock proteins in turn stimulate mitochondrial proliferation.
01:01:10:11 – 01:01:42:05
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So the reason this is a reason I bring this up is that probably the most important and best treatment we’ve ever had for cancer was Dr. William Coley 100 years ago, and it was called Coley’s toxin. And he would inject, he would inject and not killed but heated up strep Pyogenes and Serratia Masterson’s, which are two bacteria. He heated them up so they couldn’t colonize and cause an infection, but they still caused the fever and he would inject and keep you shaking chills for two weeks.
01:01:42:05 – 01:01:44:21
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Three weeks. And when you were done, the cancer was gone.
01:01:44:23 – 01:01:47:14
Nathan Crane
Sounds like it sounds like a great time.
01:01:47:14 – 01:01:56:18
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Right? But you can ask. I’ve talked to cancer patients and they’ve been going through it for years and they said, I’ll gladly take two, three weeks of that over what I’ve been doing lately.
01:01:56:18 – 01:02:01:16
Nathan Crane
Well, and there is there is assisted supported hypothermia in some clinics.
01:02:02:05 – 01:02:03:20
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Where we do that. Exactly.
01:02:03:23 – 01:02:25:07
Nathan Crane
Guided heat heating up the body. Also You can do it safely in sauna where you can, you know, you’re not going to get the exact same results you would as from Coley’s toxins or from, you know, guy, you know, safely Dr. guided hypothermia which I’m saying safely 100 times because you can die from that if you’re not, you know, very, very safe with it.
01:02:25:07 – 01:02:51:15
Nathan Crane
But sauna regulated in in you know safe amounts a safe temperature, 170 degrees, for example, Fahrenheit, you know, 10 to 15 to 20 to 30 minutes at a time does the same thing. It forces your body through or. Mrs.. Right. Healthy stress, a healthy stress response through heat shock proteins to treat or for your body to generate shock proteins just like you were talking about.
01:02:51:23 – 01:03:15:09
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Right, right, right, right. Yeah. This that’s very important. So we’ll think about it if you generate and this is what I learned from Dr. Kobayashi in the in Japan, and it’s the system of hypothermia that we use. It’s a six hour system. We keep people up for 6 hours. We have a rectal probe thermometer to make sure that their core body temperature is at the temperature that we want, etc..
01:03:15:09 – 01:03:39:09
Dr. Thomas Lodi
But here’s what he did. And this was very interesting. He was he was a Ph.D. first, then an M.D. What he would do is you take a biopsy of a tumor before the trip, before the hypothermia and after the hypothermia, and then he would look with an electron microscope and before the hypothermia and the electron microscope, which is, you know, as you guys know, you can see hundreds of thousands of times higher.
01:03:39:23 – 01:04:11:08
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So he saw just a few shrunken, fragmented mitochondria after the hypothermia. It was plush, full of mitochondria. So and that’s when he looked into heat, shock, proteins, etc.. And he figured out why that happened. But in effect, what did you do? You restored mitochondrial function. So hypothermia is not a cancer-killing. A cancer-eliminating therapy. It’s a cancer reversal therapy, and you’re turning it back into it.
01:04:11:08 – 01:04:33:04
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And imagine I learned this from a Japanese guy who grew up Buddhist and he’s telling me, well, think of it as the prodigal son. You don’t want to kill him. You want to bring him back home. I said, What am I hearing this from a Japanese guy. But yeah, I was kind of amazing. But he used that analogy for me to understand a cancer is not something foreign.
01:04:33:04 – 01:04:49:14
Dr. Thomas Lodi
It’s just us. In trouble trying to adapt, trying to survive. So let’s restore it back to the way it needs to be. It’ll come on anyway. It’s a great it’s a great idea. And I wanted to bring that up. You know, one thing I never answered and I just want to do real quick, you said, what is the MDH?
01:04:49:20 – 01:04:58:07
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So after I was in trouble in I mean, I had not trouble, but I was always gone before the board trying to defend myself in in New York.
01:04:58:17 – 01:05:01:11
Nathan Crane
And they don’t like they don’t like you talking about this stuff, do they?
01:05:02:02 – 01:05:17:09
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Yeah, they don’t. And they don’t want to do it. So the board was always calling me saying, Why are you giving vitamin C? Why are you there? And I, I had to defend IPD in front of the board so I had an hour and 2 hours. Is your knowledge ologist.
01:05:17:20 – 01:05:18:24
Nathan Crane
Huh? Is in New York.
01:05:19:15 – 01:05:37:10
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Yeah. I had 2 hours with an endocrinologist and 2 hours with an oncologist, and I answered all their questions and at the end they go, Do you have any papers? Do you have any proof? I said, Sure, I’ll send them to you. In two weeks later, I got a note saying, Case dismissed. So it was cool. So I actually successfully defended IPD in New York.
01:05:37:15 – 01:06:13:17
Dr. Thomas Lodi
However, it was too exhausting. So if you go to Arizona or to Nevada, which are the only two states and you are already a medical doctor, audio and you know, homeopathy, then you can get a synced under the M.D. age, which is a medical, which is the holy age is homeopathy. And then if you’re are if you’re if you’re under that, if your license is under that board and one of the other doctors in the hospital says this guy is giving vitamin C, my board would say, Great, instead of calling me.
01:06:14:18 – 01:06:17:18
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So that’s what the MDH is. So you got to have both.
01:06:18:07 – 01:06:41:14
Nathan Crane
Yes. I mean, you do a lot of natural adjuvants, what people call alternative. But I think alternatives are wrong. Word therapies for cancer patients, high dose vitamin C, curcumin, as you said, low dose IPT, which is, you know, more of an integrative conventional diet. Let’s talk diet for a minute now, I know we can talk. We do a whole separate episode on diet and maybe we will at some point.
01:06:41:14 – 01:07:05:18
Nathan Crane
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01:08:15:17 – 01:08:51:03
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Well, hi. Hi, Sugar. High sugar, is it? And also high sugar, unhealthy fats. And this brings up something very important. Well, first of all, if you really look at the standard American diet, it is deficient in all the vital nutrients that our cells need for health. It’s deficient them and it’s high in the things we don’t need, which is too much sugar and too much, what do you call it?
01:08:51:05 – 01:09:15:00
Dr. Thomas Lodi
It’s not even natural sugars. It’s it’s a process sugars and high fats. On the other hand, if you eat French fries, which is full of aldehydes, which is heated up fats, they are free radicals that are made of fat. So they cross the cell membrane and they go in and out, but they last for instead of a nanosecond.
01:09:15:14 – 01:09:22:14
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So can you believe it? It’s safer to smoke a cigarette than to eat a french fry. But anyway.
01:09:22:14 – 01:09:23:09
Nathan Crane
Of course, you’re not.
01:09:23:09 – 01:09:24:14
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Probably high fat.
01:09:24:14 – 01:09:58:02
Nathan Crane
Diet. People might take that and go, Oh, Dr. Lewis, it’s okay to smoke Cigarettes Of course you’re not promoting smoking. Cigarettes But. But you’re, you’re making a point. I just want to clarify for some someone out there, it’s okay. It’s okay to smoke. Cigarettes We know cigarettes cause cancer right now. You’re not recommended, period. But just making the point that eating, you know, highly cooked foods in oil, for example, seed oils is creating these aldehydes, which are lead is staying in the body for minutes.
01:09:58:02 – 01:10:31:16
Nathan Crane
Which to elaborate on that is it’s creating these reactive, reactive oxygen more damage. Right? More cellular damage because it’s in your body longer than like the puff of a cigaret which gets cleaned out quickly. Exactly. But when someone smokes. So to be fair to eating, you know, greasy food versus or fried food or you’re right in oils to smoking a cigaret, you know, usually however many puffs I smoked two packs a day right when I was even before I was 18 and highly.
01:10:31:16 – 01:10:51:15
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Thank God I haven’t touched cigarettes in years and it’s I don’t know, 15, 16, 17 years. You smoke one and you’re you know, you smoke a whole cigarette. There’s a lot of puffs. And then, you know, if you like me, you were smoking two packs a day as a lot of puffs. Yeah. So exactly. That’s a cancer diagnosis waiting to happen.
01:10:53:00 – 01:11:36:00
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I really think it’s high fat, high fat, high sugar and low and low nutrients. So basically, I think the average person, the average American, is overfed and undernourished, but I keep you know what? I keep and what I wanted to say about fat and mitochondria real quickly is this is that the mitochondria, which we talked about and by the way, this is very, very important when they look at what they call long, diverse animals in biology, longevity means they live long.
01:11:36:23 – 01:12:02:01
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So an elephant would be in there, a wildebeest, a horse, humans or, you know, in their longevity versus the animals like rabbits, dogs, etc.. So when they look at what is the difference, why does the elephant live 60 to 90 years and the rabbit live, what is it, a year, you know, or the most or two years? They don’t live long.
01:12:02:01 – 01:12:05:14
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Why? Well, one is there are if you listen to the.
01:12:05:22 – 01:12:07:04
Nathan Crane
European rabbit.
01:12:07:04 – 01:12:07:12
Dr. Thomas Lodi
You like.
01:12:08:05 – 01:12:11:08
Nathan Crane
A European rabbit lives nine years. That’s what they say.
01:12:11:24 – 01:12:20:00
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Oh, okay. Nice. Well, he’s got nine years, which is a pet is as a pet.
01:12:20:21 – 01:12:21:12
Nathan Crane
5 to 8.
01:12:21:13 – 01:12:58:11
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Okay. So you are surviving eight years versus 60 to 90. Why? And what they found out is this and this is in their research, longevity is inversely related to the per oxidize ability index of the mitochondrial membrane. What does that mean? Okay. What that means is inversely related means is the opposite. So poor oxidized ability means it can be oxidized.
01:12:58:24 – 01:13:37:18
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So how easy can the mitochondrial membrane become oxidized? The ease with which it can become oxidized, it determines how long you’ll live. Now the mitochondrial membrane, just like the membrane of the nucleus and the membrane of the whole cell, is a double membrane. All other organelles have a single membrane. It’s a double membrane. And so the point is this since we’re making 37 million new cells every second per second and release and recycling 37 million new cells, old cells.
01:13:38:21 – 01:14:06:15
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Okay, we’ve got to have a good pool of fat because 50% of the, what they call the plasma membrane around a cell is fat, healthy, fat. And you don’t want that fat to be from KFC or Pizza Hut. Okay. That’s not where you want that fat to be. You want that fat to be from chia seeds, from flax seeds, from walnuts.
01:14:06:15 – 01:14:31:11
Dr. Thomas Lodi
You want that Now about was also meat. So, yeah, well, the problem with the meat is that you’re not going to eat it raw. You’re going to eat it cooked. Now how are you going to cook it? Are you going to steam it or boil it? Neither. You’re going to fry it. Grill it. I mean, I mean, not many people eat boiled meat, but if you did all you, then you would not produce the aldehydes on the fat.
01:14:31:11 – 01:14:34:00
Dr. Thomas Lodi
If you boiled you meat or you steamed you me.
01:14:35:04 – 01:14:44:16
Nathan Crane
But I know, I know the liver cake. It recommends eating raw liver, but that’s a whole other story.
01:14:44:16 – 01:14:59:18
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Right? Right. So yeah, yeah. So I mean, you could do that and you know, and look, but even though when we look at the animals that are, you know, because, you know, and I when people say they’re on a carnivore diet, it just drives me crazy. You’re not, by the way, anybody else. Do you think you’re on a carnivore diet?
01:15:00:01 – 01:15:30:24
Dr. Thomas Lodi
You’re not unless you’re picking up animals and eating them alive. If you’re not eating them alive, you’re not on a carnivore diet. If you’re eating their corpses, then you’re on a scavenger diet. You’re on a dog, a dog diet, A hyena diet. Okay. So let’s just keep it. Let’s define our terms. So if we’re going to communicate a carnivore, a carnivore eats the animal alive while it’s dying, drinking the blood, eating the organs, that’s a carnivore.
01:15:31:02 – 01:15:32:23
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Okay. All right. But. Okay.
01:15:33:03 – 01:16:03:04
Nathan Crane
But anyway, they eat the fermented plants in the in the intestines that they’ll. Yeah. Which is where they, you know, get their phytonutrients. They eat fermented. Exactly right. Yeah. They don’t eat plants in the wild. They eat bone, marrow, brains either eyeballs, asshole they eat, the intestines, the colon, muscle, tendons, the ligaments.
01:16:04:01 – 01:16:09:19
Nathan Crane
They eat everything. They eat just about everything from that animal that they possibly can.
01:16:09:19 – 01:16:14:13
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Real ovaries, ovaries, testicles, things like that.
01:16:14:22 – 01:16:17:01
Nathan Crane
And they love it. You know, They love it.
01:16:17:01 – 01:16:43:11
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Anything for that? They love it. They love it. And that’s just like and, you know, and instinct drives them there and that’s what they eat. That’s a real carnivore. So if you’re on a corpse diet, that’s different. So call it a court, Just call it a corpse diet. That’s fine. And so it would, of course, be better to eat the corpse raw because you’re going to still have all the enzymes that you will have not produced any aldehydes or mallard chemicals.
01:16:44:04 – 01:17:18:10
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So you would get the benefit that that the dog and the cat get, right. I mean, there’s all the dogs in the wild because they eat corpses. But think about it, Lions, Panthers, who are carnivores, dogs, wolves, hyenas who are scavengers, live 15 years. Horses live 28 to 40 years. Chimpanzees live 55 years. Elephants live 60 to 90 years.
01:17:18:10 – 01:17:45:16
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And who are the stronger ones? Well, it takes, what, six or seven lions to bring down one elephant. Okay, so who’s stronger and where did that elephant get all of its protein? Where did that horse get all of its protein? I’m just telling you, we’ve been fed a lie. Okay? All protein originates in plants. In fact, all talking about food.
01:17:45:16 – 01:17:55:11
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Right now, there are three macronutrients carbohydrates, amino acids and fats, all three of them originate in plants.
01:17:56:03 – 01:18:21:24
Nathan Crane
I like to use hydrogen like these amino acids instead of protein. And I, I literally was saying this exact same thing earlier today. I was having this thought in my mind, like, why do we say proteins and macronutrients when it’s really amino acids? So I’ll let you talk about it because it’s fascinating. I literally was having this conversation with myself earlier today.
01:18:21:24 – 01:18:22:20
Dr. Thomas Lodi
I was listening.
01:18:24:15 – 01:18:29:24
Nathan Crane
Maybe I was listening to you, I don’t know. But. But go ahead. Go ahead, finish that thought. I think it’s important.
01:18:30:00 – 01:19:00:12
Dr. Thomas Lodi
But But those are what we call macronutrients. And then there are micronutrients. So that so glucose, which is the fundamental carbohydrate, is the end product of photosynthesis. We all know what that is. Light hitting tree. The tree’s been breathing in carbon dioxide and pulling up the water through its roots. Right? So you’ve got carbon dioxide and water and then light hits, it turns it into glucose and oxygen, Right?
01:19:00:12 – 01:19:20:07
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So the plant breathes out the oxygen and makes glucose, and the glucose has all the stored energy. So that’s the carbohydrate. Carbohydrates are energy. It’s a macronutrient. But carbohydrates are not only used for energy, they’re also part of structure. We have what are called glycoproteins and so and stuff like that. So they’re very important. So they’re not just energy.
01:19:21:16 – 01:19:47:12
Dr. Thomas Lodi
But anyway, so and then there’s fats and then there’s amino acids. Now amino acids, when you string them together, it becomes like two amino acids. It’s called a DI peptide because they’re put together by peptide bonds. Try peptide tetra peptide penta peptide. Anyway, anything up to 50 is called a peptide. When it gets to 100 or more amino acids, we call it a protein.
01:19:48:05 – 01:20:20:04
Dr. Thomas Lodi
The body makes about 30,000 proteins. The body makes about 297,000 peptides. Now peptides are one of the ways in which the body, the cells communicate to each other, so they communicate to each other through various ways. But that’s one of the ways they do it peptides. But anyway, and then the third macronutrient is fats, and that comes from seeds and nuts and nuts are seeds.
01:20:20:14 – 01:20:48:05
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So that comes from seeds basically. And that’s where all oils come from originally. Now all animals have what are called essential fatty acids or essential amino acids sent when they got essential proteins, but essential amino acids really. So for humans we have nine there’s nine amino acids we cannot make, we have to get those. But if we get those we can make the other 11, right.
01:20:48:05 – 01:21:19:02
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So a dog will have a different group of essential amino acids. Animals can only make about ten or 11 max, plants make all 20, and an amino acid is hard to come by. Not even plants can make them an amino acid is when nitrogen is fixed connected to a carboxylic acid group. And guess who does that? Our friends, The microorganisms that live on plants that live on the roots of plants and all of it.
01:21:19:16 – 01:21:19:22
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
01:21:20:11 – 01:21:43:07
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So those are the guys who do it. They’re also the ones that make B12, right. So I mean, they’re really quite tough. But anyway, that’s what an amino acid is. So it’s made, so they originate in plants. So we have to understand that that’s why the, plant-eating animals are the biggest, strongest, strongest, bigger, and they live longer.
01:21:43:07 – 01:21:59:17
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So I mean, and that’s just not an opinion you have to understand. That’s just biology. So if you consider being strong and living long, important qualities, then you decide which diet you would like.
01:22:01:13 – 01:22:28:04
Nathan Crane
So if somebody I know you promote a primarily raw food diet, primarily plant-based or vegan diet, nutrient-dense, lots of phytonutrients. Yes. You teach this to your cancer patients. You’ve seen great results with it. But on the meat question, if somebody because also when you cook meat, what happens is you create heterocyclic amines, right? Which are carcinogenic.
01:22:28:06 – 01:23:00:17
Nathan Crane
So yeah, another you know, I don’t know if that is a form, an aldehyde or not, but I know it’s a basically it can lead to cancer when you’re like barbecuing, for example, your meat, that sort of thing. But do you think that somebody could eat a if they boiled all their meat or they steamed it, that could still be healthy and eliminate cancer in that regard?
01:23:01:01 – 01:23:01:08
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
01:23:02:03 – 01:23:06:15
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Yes, I do. I do. And I think and I’ve seen it
01:23:06:24 – 01:23:08:16
Nathan Crane
And what did that diet look like?
01:23:09:01 – 01:23:33:21
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Well it was it turned out to be fish and it and it was in Thailand where I had people that simply would stop eating fish just wouldn’t. But the thing about fish as opposed to almost any other flesh, is that steaming it it was okay. It still tastes good. So you can steam it. And they were not getting.
01:23:34:02 – 01:23:36:04
Nathan Crane
Any fish raw, actually.
01:23:36:04 – 01:24:11:01
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Yeah, you could eat it wrong. Right, right, right. Now that’s another reason why you need to have a very, very low age, which means high acid, a very, very acidic stomach. What’s very interesting about the human stomach is that the normal healthy age of a human stomach is 1.5 to 2, which is exactly the same, interestingly enough, as animals who eat carrion, which is decaying corpses like vultures and hyenas, they have you know, we have very, very low.
01:24:11:06 – 01:24:38:11
Dr. Thomas Lodi
But for us, it’s different. One of the other very, very important things of an acidic stomach is this is that the acid in our stomach is necessary not only to digest the proteins, but also to prevent parasites from getting in and other bacteria from getting in to your body. So it kills them off. Right. But it also does something very special that is and we see this with the elderly.
01:24:38:11 – 01:25:02:08
Dr. Thomas Lodi
The elderly start to be elderly, people start to become anemic no matter what. Even those who still eat raw, drink, drink blood, squeeze the blood out of an animal and drink it, you’re still going to get anemic if you’re older. And that’s because we don’t have enough stomach acid. And it’s a stomach acid that converts ferric into ferrous so it can be absorbed.
01:25:02:16 – 01:25:31:15
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So I remember doing rounds as a medical student and the professor said, Oh, this patient has anemia of old age. And I always. Huh, What’s that? Wow. They never told me after medical school, I found out. Oh, it’s because after the age of 40, we stop making so much hydrochloric acid. So one of the things I advise everyone to do is 40 and older, take a can, go get hydrochloric acid at a any store and order it online and take one or two pills.
01:25:31:18 – 01:25:50:16
Dr. Thomas Lodi
If you take two pills and it burns a little bit, then you go back to one. But but that’s it. So that you’re why because you want to various that stomach so that when you the minerals that are in the plants need the acid to put them in a form that they can be absorbed. That’s very very important to keep in mind.
01:25:50:22 – 01:25:53:00
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So you don’t want to not be able to get that.
01:25:53:07 – 01:26:09:09
Nathan Crane
What about apple cider vinegar or lemon water, these kinds of things that are already acidic. They help balance a patch in the body, but they help to help to support the acid in the stomach, don’t they?
01:26:10:02 – 01:26:13:18
Dr. Thomas Lodi
They do it do an apple cider, actually, age of two. So it’s good.
01:26:14:10 – 01:26:45:14
Nathan Crane
So now when I had a bad, really bad indigestion because of terrible diet and lifestyle for my teenage years and my, you know, always acid reflux and stomach pain and all of that, and I found kombucha and I started brewing my own kombucha back in 2007. Think 27, 28, I found apple cider vinegar was taking up cider vinegar and I was taking, you know, drink kombucha and or apple cider vinegar with honey in some warm water every day for months.
01:26:46:01 – 01:27:02:01
Nathan Crane
And something clicked where my, my acid in my stomach got back into balance and all my digestive, all my indigestion issues, acid reflux completely went away. And knock on wood, to this day, I’ve not had any issues with it.
01:27:02:01 – 01:27:40:02
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Right. Wow. Well, you know that you bring up a very interesting point because most of the time, the way to resolve the for like heartburn is not to stop the acid production, but to drink some acid, which is in you know, which is what he was drinking. And it’s because what happens is just and carbohydrates can do that a lot of carbohydrates what they and when you get really full it up the lower part of the sphincter from your esophagus and if you open up that sphincter, then the acid goes into your esophagus and it burns.
01:27:40:08 – 01:28:14:22
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And when you get that chronically, that’s when we see esophageal cancers. And esophageal cancers are, I would say 90, I don’t know the exact statistic, but from my clinical experience, at least 95% are in the lower one-third of the esophagus. It’s just from chronic reflux. Because you remember one of the things that cancer does is one of the things that one of the other underlying physiological events of cancer, other than having a lack of mitochondrial function, is chronic.
01:28:14:22 – 01:28:49:07
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So chronic inflammation and in fact, all of the inflammatory cytokines that are being produced by cancer cells are what make the tumor grow. And so cancer had been called in the past. The wound that wouldn’t heal because it basically is an inflammatory process. And by the way, another interesting understanding of cancer is this, is that if you get a cut and the blood starts coming out of your hand because you’ve got a cut, that blood is not going to the tissues it was intended to.
01:28:49:20 – 01:29:18:23
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And what is the blood? It’s carrying oxygen. So therefore those tissues are not getting oxygen. So that stimulates a pathway called HGF one alpha, which is hypoxia. Inducible factor one alpha, which in turn stimulates a whole cascade of events, including angiogenesis, tissue proliferation. So that’s what’s turned on in cancer. That is what’s always turned on in cancer. And what do we find now?
01:29:18:23 – 01:29:44:13
Dr. Thomas Lodi
This is very interesting. The in in in all of biology, you will always find ways that things are being modulated, are being fine tuned. So estrogens have progesterone, right? Progesterone will undo what estrogen does. Right? And then you’ve got some amount of a drop in and some out of meat. And you know, you’ve got growth hormone and the thing that turns it off.
01:29:44:19 – 01:30:17:16
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So there’s always there’s there’s always a fine modulation. We was just talking about a the O of one alpha. Yeah. So the enzyme systems that turn off the you have one alpha Right. Which what it’s turned on when you’re bleeding to heal a wound you need. I have one alpha, it’s called a die oxygen. Is the cofactor necessary for the dye?
01:30:17:16 – 01:30:22:13
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Oxygen ACS to work is ASCORBATE, which is vitamin C, Vitamin C?
01:30:22:13 – 01:30:22:20
Nathan Crane
Yep.
01:30:23:21 – 01:30:47:15
Dr. Thomas Lodi
And what we know about everybody with cancer is that and Dr. Kobayashi has proven this, is that low three things, low vitamin A, low vitamin C and low cyclic amp. Now, how happy are you going to get sick again in your body? You’re not. You’re not. You got to go to a doctor who knows and can give it to you, Ivy, And guess where you can’t find it?
01:30:47:15 – 01:30:51:03
Dr. Thomas Lodi
In the United States of America. We cannot find it.
01:30:51:08 – 01:30:54:21
Nathan Crane
Where do you get it from? Naturally. Where’s it from? From your diet?
01:30:54:21 – 01:31:20:17
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Well, no plants from. Yeah. No, Naturally. Yeah. Our body, every cell makes cyclic AP. It’s what they call a second messenger. So. And the reason it’s so important that Dr. Kobayashi out is that the cyclic amp to the cyclic GMP ratio is reversed in cancer than from health. So everything he does tries to restore the cyclic AMP superiority or higher numbers.
01:31:20:23 – 01:31:48:20
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Now, what I mean by second messenger is when let’s say testosterone or estrogen binds to an estrogen or testosterone receptor, the second messenger inside the cell, it might be the third or fourth, but it is cyclic AMP. Cyclic AMP is involved in every almost every everything that happens in cells almost needs cyclic amp. It’s it’s like and you never hear about it.
01:31:48:20 – 01:32:18:05
Dr. Thomas Lodi
I don’t know why, but you never hear about it. But it’s it’s very, very important. And so one of the reasons one of the things I learned from Dr. Kobayashi was back in those days now he the stuff that he was researching back in 30 or 40 years ago, they’re just now starting to research and was a we used to have to give theophylline because it was a phosphodiesterase inhibitor.
01:32:18:14 – 01:32:37:11
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So now phosphodiesterase are a big deal in science. Now we used to have to use theophylline, which is for people with asthma and they began to have rapid heart rate. But we did that to keep their sickly gay impaired from turning into the GMP. So we had to do that. I’ll give you an example of a phosphodiesterase inhibitor.
01:32:37:14 – 01:33:01:08
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Is Viagra or sale is right. Those are phosphor, so they’re really important. We now know about them. He was doing it 35 the long time ago. Two a long time ago. But at my clinic, an oasis of healing. We do that We do. I learned from him and we do that. It’s a six-hour hyperthermia process and very controlled.
01:33:01:08 – 01:33:12:17
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Our nurses are like open-heart surgery nurses who are, you know, amazing. They in the questions they ask me are like, amazing. So they’re very, very good. Yeah.
01:33:12:20 – 01:33:33:21
Nathan Crane
I’ve been to your clinic in Arizona and you guys not only treat patients, but you teach them, which I love. You teach them how to eat, how to change their diet, how to fast. We didn’t even talk about fasting, man. We got to do if we got to a part two to this, there’s so many other things I want to ask you about and talk with you about you.
01:33:33:21 – 01:33:35:01
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Maybe we’ll do a diet one.
01:33:35:15 – 01:33:48:17
Nathan Crane
Just diet. Yeah, just a diet one. That’d be great. For part two. So. So I’d love to do that. And so for your clinic in Arizona, if people want to check that out, where do they go for that?
01:33:48:17 – 01:34:06:05
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Well, that’s an and I can’t believe I use that word, but I try and use proper English. An oasis of healing become an oasis of healing that come and yeah, we’ve been there eight years now so we’ve been it’s it’s yeah so you’re.
01:34:06:06 – 01:34:14:01
Nathan Crane
Still doing I know you do consults with patients all over the world. Are you still doing those personally? Can people talk to you personally?
01:34:15:15 – 01:34:36:22
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Yeah. And if you go to a doctor, low income, you can get a consultation with me. And what I do is I. You know, it’s as if you and I were sitting down together. I need all your medical records. First I review them and then we talk. I always say an hour and an hour. It’s an hour. But I’ve never, ever done an hour.
01:34:36:22 – 01:35:05:19
Dr. Thomas Lodi
It’s almost 2 hours every time. Because how do you stop? You know, everybody’s life is very complicated and, you know, so but anyway, so and then I give you a plan on how you can start making cancer change your lifestyle. But all the treatments that you need that you can do at home. And I ask you to get a biological dentist and I ask you to find a holistic doctor with whom I can collaborate.
01:35:05:19 – 01:35:33:01
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So we become your team. And then if you want to, then you’re always invited to Arizona because we you know, we’re we’re we’ve got it all there. But yeah, so you can go to Dr. Louis that come for a consultation with, with me or go to an now an oasis of healing. An oasis of healing. The reason I have to emphasize that is because people always put in Oasis and they wind up at in Tijuana, at Oasis of Hope.
01:35:33:18 – 01:35:34:03
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So.
01:35:34:07 – 01:35:34:17
Nathan Crane
Right.
01:35:34:17 – 01:35:38:00
Dr. Thomas Lodi
So that’s another easy way to find us. Yeah.
01:35:38:07 – 01:35:38:20
Nathan Crane
That’s different.
01:35:38:20 – 01:35:39:18
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Dr. Jimenez.
01:35:40:01 – 01:35:41:05
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Dr. Jimenez.
01:35:41:10 – 01:35:42:10
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Yeah, yeah.
01:35:43:03 – 01:35:45:21
Nathan Crane
Yeah, yeah. You’re in Arizona, so, you know, it’s another.
01:35:45:21 – 01:35:53:16
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Easy way to find our clinic and Oasis. Yeah. And anyway, otherwise just put stop making cancer dot com.
01:35:54:06 – 01:35:56:18
Nathan Crane
They stop making that. I love it. Cool.
01:35:57:13 – 01:36:20:16
Dr. Thomas Lodi
That’ll redirect you to an oasis of healing. So stopmakingcancer.com or Drlodi.com. And by the way every Sunday night 7 p.m. Eastern Standard is Facebook TikTok and Instagram live stream so and I just answer questions.
01:36:21:03 – 01:36:50:05
Nathan Crane
That’s also what I love about you is you’re not only an unbelievable wealth of knowledge I don’t know how you retain so many pieces of information from so many different places. It’s actually I’m always very impressed when I talk to you and it blows my mind your your ability to you know, memorize things and pull so many pieces of data and information out of your past and your experience to be able to use it to talk about things in depth.
01:36:50:05 – 01:36:56:15
Nathan Crane
I love it. I always love talking with you, Dr. Laurie. Let’s do this again for sure and appreciate you taking up.
01:36:56:15 – 01:37:21:09
Dr. Thomas Lodi
Some of the. Nathan Yeah, So thank you for having me And you know, and I will tell you something. Just like it takes two hands to clap. It really takes someone who knows with their nose what they’re asking and understands. And you understand this is as much as you more than any conventional doctor, I promise you. You understand it, right?
01:37:21:12 – 01:37:32:23
Dr. Thomas Lodi
But you’re up there with all there’s really much of a difference. You just haven’t had your stethoscope and white coat on and which is a good thing. Don’t ever do it. But anyway, thank you for having me. And I’m.
01:37:33:03 – 01:37:41:06
Nathan Crane
Yeah, you. Thank you. We’ll. We’ll talk again. I wish everybody so much health and happiness. Take care.