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Audio Transcript
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00:00:00:00 – 00:00:27:08
Nathan Crane
Everybody, welcome back to the podcast. I am excited to have my friend here with us, Dr. Joel Kahn Joel is a practicing cardiologist and a clinical professor of medicine at Wayne State University School of Medicine. He graduated summa cum laude from the University of Michigan Medical School. He’s known as America’s Healthy Heart Doc. He is triple board-certified in internal medicine, cardiovascular medicine and interventional cardiology.
00:00:27:17 – 00:00:47:24
Nathan Crane
He is a practicing cardiologist working with patients every single day in the clinic. He is incredibly brilliant when it comes to understanding longevity, anti-aging, heart disease prevention and healing, and excited to have him here on the podcast. Joel, thanks so much for coming on.
00:00:48:21 – 00:00:57:03
Dr. Joel Kahn
Well, thank you. We’re going to have a great conversation, a lot of energy and love what you do. And I love that we can talk a little bit about heart disease with your audience.
00:00:57:18 – 00:01:26:16
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I mean, I think you’re probably the, you know, leader in this field today, certainly in terms of looking at preventative medicine for heart disease and lifestyle medicine, lifestyle approaches, diet, nutrition, lifestyle changes for helping people not only prevent heart disease, but then if you’re diagnosed with heart disease, what are the changes you need to make? Because a lot of cardiologists out there are, you know, primarily prescribing drugs and or surgery.
00:01:26:24 – 00:02:00:01
Nathan Crane
Right. Whereas you look at the condition and you say, hey, what’s the underlying causes here? And then how can we address those as part of a holistic or functional medicine or even integrative medical approach to heart disease? So, you know, what is it about you that like what in your life triggered you to the path that you’re on now and actually helping teach and educate people, not just, you know, prescribe drugs and surgery that’s necessary when it’s necessary, but actually help people change their life and their health for the better.
00:02:00:22 – 00:02:24:16
Dr. Joel Kahn
Sure. And I’ll just just to follow up on what you just said as an intro. You know, you can call Mayo Cleveland Clinic, Johns Hopkins and say, I want to see a preventive cardiologist and you’re going to get a good person. But it’s largely pharmacology-based. I’m not saying they won’t mention diet and they won’t mention sleep and lifestyle, but it’s largely what combination of drugs will get your numbers.
00:02:24:19 – 00:02:47:00
Dr. Joel Kahn
Excellent. So that nowadays could include what go, be and all other things. And I have that same toolbox. You have to have that toolbox, but it’s very limited in terms of, you know, integrative function and all plant based. And I don’t really love the word holistic, but that’s no more an email I get. Is there holistic cardiologist in my town, Jacksonville, Florida, whatever.
00:02:47:06 – 00:03:10:22
Dr. Joel Kahn
And the answer is, unfortunately, I don’t know of any. You know, there is a little club doctor. Kim Williams, M.D., is now chairman of medicine in Louisville, a plant-based cardiologist. But right by as he should be by the guidelines, which are usually drug-related. And Baxter Montgomery is a cardiologist in Houston and Columbus. Batiste is in Orange County and Steve Lomas.
00:03:10:22 – 00:03:38:15
Dr. Joel Kahn
And I think if I remember the Chicago area, but he may have moved. But it’s it’s a handful of us. We need to make a society of plant-based plus cardiologists, and it’s growing in number, but it’s still pretty skinny. My story just in under 3 minutes, I hope. I was born with a detectable heart murmur and I started seeing pediatric cardiologist before I remember that my mother got very nervous and my father too.
00:03:38:15 – 00:04:00:18
Dr. Joel Kahn
Of course, I actually had a heart catheterization. I don’t remember when I was nine months old and I had a little hole in my heart. That story ended happy. It closed up. I didn’t need surgery, but I did start seeing a pediatric cardiologist about age 18 and I actually thought it was pretty cool. I true story I would go downtown Detroit and have tests or EKGs or ultrasounds or something.
00:04:01:04 – 00:04:23:21
Dr. Joel Kahn
And pretty much by age 12, 13, 14, I would have answered the question, what are you going to do when you grow up? And my mother smiled and beamed and I said, I don’t want to just be a doctor. I want to be a heart doctor. The second thing, and these are small bullet points as we grew up in a home where we kept kosher traditional Jewish dietary laws, it was a conservative Jewish home, but that was important, particularly to my mother.
00:04:24:18 – 00:04:45:01
Dr. Joel Kahn
So it’s interesting because it’s the ultimate mindfulness. Before you put a Farkas bone in your mouth, you’re at a party or at an event or a wedding. You think for a minute, is this right for me? In that case, it was more religious rules, not Nestlé whole food plant based science rules. But, you know, that’s been my entire life.
00:04:45:01 – 00:05:06:22
Dr. Joel Kahn
And when I went up to university at age 18, which was in Ann Arbor, I realized real quick that the only situation I could easily eat without worry would be to become vegetarian. Vegan. And I started that at age 18. We had a huge salad bar in my dormitory, and Ann Arbor was a very, you know, hippie veggie vegan kind of community, even though we didn’t use the word vegan.
00:05:07:08 – 00:05:15:14
Dr. Joel Kahn
And that’s the last time I eat animal food was when I said goodbye to Mom and Dad and drove 45 minutes west of Detroit.
00:05:15:22 – 00:05:19:13
Nathan Crane
Well, you’re is that what’s that? What year? What year was.
00:05:19:13 – 00:05:22:05
Dr. Joel Kahn
That? I was 77, 46 years ago.
00:05:22:05 – 00:05:26:04
Nathan Crane
So you guys so you haven’t had me you haven’t had meat or dairy.
00:05:27:05 – 00:05:28:17
Dr. Joel Kahn
For eggs in 46 years.
00:05:28:20 – 00:05:36:18
Nathan Crane
Or eggs? No animal products whatsoever in 46 years. And yourself and you’re still and you’re still alive and healthy. I can’t believe it.
00:05:37:01 – 00:05:42:06
Dr. Joel Kahn
I just got an I.V. I got a protein I.V. a minute ago to keep me going so I could do this.
00:05:43:03 – 00:05:45:17
Nathan Crane
Yeah, you’re. You walk around with an IV bag every day.
00:05:45:18 – 00:05:46:23
Dr. Joel Kahn
And I’m to give you my.
00:05:47:19 – 00:05:48:06
Nathan Crane
Assets.
00:05:48:20 – 00:06:10:20
Dr. Joel Kahn
Now, I’m not in the protein deficiency where it is common meme shows, but my parents have interestingly about the same year went to the Prediction Longevity Center, which was in Santa monica, California, and they spent a week or ten days. And my mother came back and like, well, what we used to be a meat loaf began millennials and what used to be a beef stew became a temporary stew.
00:06:10:20 – 00:06:31:21
Dr. Joel Kahn
And it actually just like I got surrounded by all this stuff early on, healthy choices. And, you know, not long after I was in med school, early at in Ann Arbor, and I heard about John Robbins and that book called The Diet for New America. And that really expanded my view, talked about the environment, talked about animals, talked about health.
00:06:32:08 – 00:06:56:11
Dr. Joel Kahn
Obviously didn’t get any real training in medical school about this stuff. And the last bullet point is 1990, I had my first job. I had been out of state Dallas in Kansas City. I came back to Ann Arbor to take my first real job as a cath lab cardiologist. Balloons and stents and heart attacks extremely exciting, hardcore, macho, macho, macho career.
00:06:56:16 – 00:07:17:00
Dr. Joel Kahn
I didn’t really tell anybody about my plant based diet. I will say I existed three years in Dallas with my wife and kids as a vegan and the eighties pre Whole Foods that was stuff existed for a year in Kansas City doing an extra year training as a vegan you know hospital dinners and events. It was tough. Sometimes it was awkward.
00:07:17:00 – 00:07:50:22
Dr. Joel Kahn
Sometimes I didn’t eat, but I kept it going. But in 1990, July one, I started my first job, great job. And three weeks later, just to finish this story and it’s done, Dr. Dean Ornish published a paper in the journal Lancet called The Lifestyle Heart Trial, demonstrating that his program, which was based on a whole food plant based diet, plus stress reduction plus socialization plus yoga and breathing could actually be documented to reverse heart disease, which was the first time that was really shown in a high quality way.
00:07:51:05 – 00:08:10:11
Dr. Joel Kahn
And I can to this day remember reading because there was no on line the paper journal called The Lancet from England with his article in it and said, I should probably start teaching people what I’m doing because I didn’t actually tell the patients much about it. And he had a book that came out soon after in hardcover and paperback, and I just started telling people, Read the paperback.
00:08:10:19 – 00:08:44:13
Dr. Joel Kahn
That’s all you had pre-Internet. And then that became easier with forks over Knives and China study and Dr. Esselstyn and 12 years ago I said, I just I know my nutrition. I want to learn about the rest of the lifestyle, holistic. So I went back and got formally certified ED and integrative cardiology through a wonderful organization and kind of threw the stents away a decade ago and only do you know, coaching, counseling and actual cardiology care in about 25 states, because I have a lot of licenses.
00:08:44:18 – 00:09:05:16
Dr. Joel Kahn
I’m based in Michigan and part time in Florida, but I can help you in California, New York, Texas, you know, in Pennsylvania and some of the other biggies for sure. Thanks for asking. You know, that’s my story is a little, you know, personal, but it’s given me a nice platform of years and years of being able to help people.
00:09:06:18 – 00:09:46:04
Nathan Crane
So I’d love for you to talk a little bit about the some of the confusion or misunderstanding or misinformation about what actually constitutes heart disease or risk for cardiovascular disease. Right. Because some people think just high cholesterol numbers is heart disease or an indicator of heart disease, but then they don’t understand Applebee or even know to look at those biomarkers, for example, or, you know, look at the particle sizes of the cholesterol and so forth, like, can you talk a little bit about that and help people understand what actually is heart disease like what actually constitutes cardiovascular disease?
00:09:47:02 – 00:10:07:21
Dr. Joel Kahn
So probably not controversial to describe what is heart disease, certainly controversial about what’s the risk factors and how do you evaluate it. And we can go into all that. So really quickly. The number one concern is coronary artery disease. It is often abbreviated, see and you know, we’ve got I just brought a little model I use it every patient.
00:10:07:21 – 00:10:34:14
Dr. Joel Kahn
We all are born with perfectly clean arteries. I’m going to talk about the heart, but brain lags, kidneys, sexual organs and an unfortunately, unlike some other mammals, we’re very prone to clogging them up. Not as a child, except for a rare genetic condition where your cholesterol might be 1000 called familial hyperlipidemia. But by our twenties, thirties and forties were clogging our arteries way more than we should.
00:10:34:14 – 00:10:58:17
Dr. Joel Kahn
By age 50. It’s about 50% of us clearly have detectable, heart clogging. Whether we know it or not, it’s usually silent. And after World War Two, soldiers came back smoking. Mothers went back, went to work. For the first time, there was double income families, so nobody was at home cooking dinners. A lot of carry out and a lot of, you know, grocery store, a lot of frozen food, fast foods.
00:10:59:11 – 00:11:25:14
Dr. Joel Kahn
There actually was a dramatic rise in heart attacks. Then President Eisenhower had an almost fatal heart attack in 1955. Our government started spending a lot of money on this topic. What’s high blood pressure? Why do people have heart attacks? Why in the city of Minneapolis did they track very carefully at the university? This rise in executive heart attacks important people in the city in their forties and early fifties, many of whom died, other parts of the world.
00:11:25:14 – 00:11:44:11
Dr. Joel Kahn
And we could go through how they figured that out. But by the late sixties, early seventies, we established like the Framingham Study outside of Boston, five big factors that put you prone to heart disease doesn’t mean you’re going to get it. That’s so important. What your prone area diabetic. Of course we don’t ask the question the root cause.
00:11:44:11 – 00:12:08:01
Dr. Joel Kahn
Why are you a type two diabetic? But are you a diabetic? Do you have high blood pressure? Same thing. We don’t ask the question root cause, but do you have it? High cholesterol? Same question. And usually nowadays mainly LDL cholesterol. That’s pretty much in cardiology. What we care about, which can also be measured perhaps more accurately by apolipoprotein B or APOE, be an inexpensive and valuable blood test.
00:12:08:15 – 00:12:36:12
Dr. Joel Kahn
Are you a smoker that came on the scene? Of course after the cigaret companies deny denied both lung cancer and heart disease. And then the mom, dad, brother, sister particularly have an early heart attack, early stroke, early bypass, early angioplasty or stent big fight in reality. And to this day, that’s the five that doctors ask. That’s the five that go into a calculator you might do yourself or your doctor might do to predict you’re 48 years old.
00:12:36:12 – 00:13:01:12
Dr. Joel Kahn
You’re at the doctor, you’re stressed out. You know, Dad, what’s the chance? I’m going to have a heart attack in the next ten years. You’re going to fall back on 1968, 1972, kind of data and calculators in and the blood work reflects that the blood work I see this is not a criticism, just reality that the usual general practitioner, internist, gynecologist and again usually cardiologist does is the same blood work we did 40 years ago.
00:13:01:12 – 00:13:42:24
Dr. Joel Kahn
Now, your general panel is your straightforward cholesterol panel, maybe fasting, maybe not you’ll get a blood sugar. And, you know, probably at in reality, there’s at least 20 other things you can check that are really important. Certainly four or five, six, seven of them are crucial since we’re talking about it. I’ll just dove into that. You know, you have to know if you inherited from mom and dad a cholesterol called light bulb protein little a that’s a mouthful lipoproteins and then lowercase a discovered in 1963 inherited by 20 to 25% of all people on the planet.
00:13:42:24 – 00:14:05:18
Dr. Joel Kahn
From one or both parents, it sits on chromosome six. If you have the ability, your liver always makes cholesterol every one of us but 25% of us have two production lines, make an LDL cholesterol, and we have the ability to make this other one sometimes referred to as LP little a light bob protein little like there’s been a blood test for it for 20 years.
00:14:06:03 – 00:14:26:21
Dr. Joel Kahn
Only in the last four years, like the European Medical Society say everybody should have it checked once, earlier, the better. So you can say, Nathan, you know, you didn’t know this, but you’re carrying a high level of cholesterol that does not show up on the routine panel. If you know your total cholesterol and your LDL cholesterol, you do not know your lipoprotein level.
00:14:27:05 – 00:14:52:01
Dr. Joel Kahn
Some people have no ability to make it. Some people make a little bit, but it falls in the normal range. African-Americans make a little bit more than Caucasians, and some people just have a high production ability to make it lipoprotein. A is like your LDL cholesterol on drugs. It causes atherosclerosis, not in everybody. It’s a risk, but in many it causes inflammation, it causes blood.
00:14:52:01 – 00:15:13:01
Dr. Joel Kahn
The clot, which called thrombosis, which is what happens when you have a stroke or heart attack or lose a leg to circulation problems. It also causes your heart valve called the aortic valve to get scarred and a sizable portion of people that need their aortic valve replaced. That’s because they were born with light. But protein like you just ask your doctor, please check it.
00:15:13:22 – 00:15:42:24
Dr. Joel Kahn
I have written a book on the topic a couple of years ago and is the only book on the topic in the world which is crazy and hardly. There’s no prescription FDA approved drug for lipoprotein level. All the drugs you’ve heard of Lipitor, Crestor, work for LDL cholesterol a, B, but they don’t work for lipoprotein. So the pharmaceutical industry has four or five really hopeful ones in the pipeline, like far advanced couple of years from now.
00:15:43:11 – 00:16:04:12
Dr. Joel Kahn
And when they’re released, if all goes well, they’ll be available as an injection. They’re going to come out at ten, 12, 15, $18,000 a year. They’re going to be very restricted insurance approval. But for people, many of my patients, they’ve had heart attack, stents, bypass. They’ll be in line to get these drugs. And for the first time, we’ll have a powerhouse to reduce it.
00:16:04:18 – 00:16:30:05
Dr. Joel Kahn
There are I’m going a little deep, but niacin is a vitamin can help lower it there’s some data plant based diets can help lower it just modestly niacin can lower it pretty substantially. Hormone replacement therapy in a woman of menopausal status can lower it a few other tricks. Amla. Amla is a Indian gooseberry powder capsule. So that’s one you need to know inflammation.
00:16:30:05 – 00:16:58:08
Dr. Joel Kahn
At least know your high sensitivity C-reactive protein. Please ask for that and you should probably check your homocysteine a metabolic product involving B12 and B6 metabolism called methylation, very inexpensive, widely available test a lot of people are in are slightly abnormal, but some people again from birth, there’s a genetic input of extremely high levels and you just got to get on a B vitamin and it comes right down to normal range.
00:16:58:08 – 00:17:21:16
Dr. Joel Kahn
So it’s so easy to treat in most people and it makes a difference long term. Maybe you want to know your three month blood sugar called hemoglobin A1 C in addition to your fasting blood sugar and maybe a fasting insulin. There’s so much fat around the belly in America nowadays that there’s a lot of frank type two diabetes, something we call pre diabetes, which is not innocent.
00:17:21:16 – 00:17:24:21
Dr. Joel Kahn
It’s quite a disease in and of itself. And then you.
00:17:24:21 – 00:17:27:04
Nathan Crane
May ask a question about insulin resistance.
00:17:27:04 – 00:17:30:12
Dr. Joel Kahn
What does it say? Insulin resistance, right? Yeah.
00:17:30:12 – 00:17:38:12
Nathan Crane
What percentage of your cardiovascular disease patients would you say have insulin resistance?
00:17:38:12 – 00:18:05:12
Dr. Joel Kahn
Yeah. It’s not as big as you read on Twitter because there is and Twitter is, you know, an interesting site. Many academic doctors and cardiologists are on Twitter and give the university viewpoint of things. But there are many, you know, university professors and bloggers and trainers and nutritionists. And you’ll hear, you know, it’s not cholesterol, it’s insulin resistance.
00:18:06:12 – 00:18:31:18
Dr. Joel Kahn
You you know, I think it’s around 40% of America is judged to be pre-diabetic or type two diabetic and under 20% of children. But, you know, massive numbers, terrible numbers. And we do now know if your doctor says you’re pre-diabetic, that’s basically a lab panel diagnosis. You’re just not bad off enough to be called type two diabetic. But you could be if you gain weight, change your diet for the worse.
00:18:32:01 – 00:18:57:18
Dr. Joel Kahn
You can also go the right way and lower and pre-diabetes is very much a disease. But, you know, those are all forms of insulin resistance. But if you do the advanced testing, fancy fasting insulin, there’s something Quest’s lab does called an insulin resistance score that I do on patients. They do have to be fasting blood for that. So they have to come to the office prepared to do it at their home town.
00:18:57:18 – 00:19:22:23
Dr. Joel Kahn
Prepared, I’d say about 25%, not as high as you read on the Internet. Now, I have a lot of classes. Yeah, I have a lot of plant based patients. You know, they pre-select themselves sometimes because they’re more lifestyle oriented. And maybe I’m seeing a little healthier population. I see plenty of people that are still they literally walk in my office with their yellow bag of McDonald’s and, you know, these plate.
00:19:22:23 – 00:19:28:16
Nathan Crane
What do you do? You test for insulin resistance with your patients? Is that one of the tests you guys do with everyone?
00:19:29:13 – 00:19:54:12
Dr. Joel Kahn
Yeah. Again, Quest Lab has their version. There’s a popular lab called Boston Art Lab. There’s, you know, LabCorp. They will offer at least get a fasting insulin again. Quest does something called the insulin resistance score because they measure a few more parameters. The final test that is difficult in terms of awkwardness is that old fashioned two hour glucose tolerance test, right?
00:19:54:12 – 00:20:20:21
Dr. Joel Kahn
Give you a blood glucose, 75 grams of glucose, you get a baseline blood test. Ideally your blood sugar and your insulin, you drink the stuff. And for the next 2 hours they repeat at least one hour in 2 hours. And some people that are pretty good, well, just. And now people are wearing, of course, continuous glucose monitors. And, you know, if you’re eating and your sugar is over 200, you’re insulin resistance.
00:20:20:23 – 00:20:27:09
Dr. Joel Kahn
And, you know, if you’re waking up in the morning and they’re fasting ST 118, you’re undoubtedly insulin resistance.
00:20:27:13 – 00:20:55:02
Nathan Crane
Right, which we know is a basically a precursor to just about every chronic disease on the planet, from diabetes to cancer to heart disease, etc., the neurological disease. But we, you know, you know, Cyrus and Robby really well from mastering diabetes. Cyrus out as a really good friend of mine. We’ve talked in depth about this. You obviously know the science as well in depth about into the resistance.
00:20:55:02 – 00:21:21:00
Nathan Crane
And that’s one of the things that they they say about the the four tests that you just named like a lot of people, even doctors will say, hey, we’ve put our patients on a ketogenic diet, for example, and we have shown that we have eliminated we basically took someone from insulin resistant to insulin sensitive, but they don’t do all four of those tests.
00:21:21:00 – 00:21:47:00
Nathan Crane
And Cyrus says, look, you have to do all four of those tests, including that glucose sensitivity test, which is one that basically what they claim, anybody who’s who’s passed the other three tests that we just talked about, which is, you know, you’re checking your agency, your fasting glucose, your insulin, your insulin sensitivity, but it’s that fourth one that they tend to fail versus the patients that they work with.
00:21:47:00 – 00:22:06:12
Nathan Crane
Also, they put them on 100% whole food plant based diet, high carb, low fat, low protein. And and then they say when they do all four tests, those patients pass all four tests and truly affirmed that they’ve become insulin sensitive, which is what we want. Is that also what you’ve seen or what you agree with?
00:22:07:10 – 00:22:30:09
Dr. Joel Kahn
I do, although I wish we had a little more science. You know, we took 40 insulin resistant patients, 21 on a ketogenic diet, 21 on a Siris and Rabi. Whole food plan based, no added oil diet. And three months later, we did the two hour glucose tolerance test. All of them seem to improve. But let’s see what the two hour glucose time says.
00:22:30:15 – 00:23:01:12
Dr. Joel Kahn
I’ve not seen that study with those results. You know what I tell patients, if you’re not allergic and you’re only nuts, you won’t have a problem. But you know, you’re not cured. You’re in remission because you’re avoiding the irritant. And if you can’t eat carbohydrates like wholegrain breads and beans and peas, because your insulin resistance and your sugar rises and you go on a ketogenic diet and, you know, your numbers look better, go give that person a bowl of oatmeal or a black bean salad.
00:23:01:21 – 00:23:12:18
Dr. Joel Kahn
You know, if they’re sugar goes up, I mean, they’re in remission, but they haven’t resolve their carbohydrate. Intolerance are basically synonymous with insulin resistance, right? Well, it really.
00:23:12:21 – 00:23:39:17
Nathan Crane
I mean, really aren’t our bodies meant to be able to fluctuate from, you know, burning fat as fuel known as ketosis or burning, you know, glucose, glycogen as fuel from carbohydrates? Aren’t we designed, you know, through feast and famine, for example, let’s say, you know, a hundred thousand years ago you run out of food, it’s winter, whatever. You don’t have access to fruit and carbohydrates and things like that.
00:23:39:24 – 00:24:01:01
Nathan Crane
So you store foods and fatty foods and nuts and whatever, you know, meats and fats and that kind of stuff through the winter. So you go or your or you’re fasting. Let’s say, for days or weeks at a time. Then the body literally switches to burn fat as fuel ketosis. Right. So we should have that. What they go flex metabolic flexibility.
00:24:01:12 – 00:24:28:04
Nathan Crane
The thing that I’ve always come come to at least theorizes, you know, ketosis in my mind is a survival mechanism. It’s meant for when we don’t have access to food, we can go into ketosis, we can fast for a few days if we need to, a few weeks if we need to, which is also very healing thing to do to then when we have food again, but not to be in ketosis for years and years and years on end without having access.
00:24:28:04 – 00:24:48:04
Nathan Crane
Because let’s say, you know, you’re in ketosis for a month, you know, through the winter a couple of months and then the fruits come out again. Like you should be able to be metabolically flexible to go and eat those delicious fruits. Oh no, I can’t eat those fruits. I need to stay in ketosis. There’s nobody a hundred thousand years ago that ever would have said that or thought that right.
00:24:48:04 – 00:25:11:05
Dr. Joel Kahn
I agree with you. And that’s how I, you know, surround myself and my patients. And I always fall back on. Dr. Valter Longo at University of Southern California. And, you know, his book, The Longevity Diet and his amazing research and his general viewpoint on you’re right ketosis is a backup mechanism for starvation. It gets us through tough times.
00:25:11:05 – 00:25:43:00
Dr. Joel Kahn
It does unlock some pathways we probably should periodically unlock limiting and or eliminating IGF one and maybe promoting autophagy, although you can’t measure autophagy. So a lot of people talk about it. But, you know, it’s there’s no dipstick in your urine to prove you’ve activated, you know, autophagic pathways. So, you know, he’ll go fast at a low calorie program he developed for five days and then re feed because there’s actually interesting benefits to gently re feeding the body.
00:25:43:00 – 00:26:00:13
Dr. Joel Kahn
There may be some real stem cell proliferation and release healthy stem cells by fasting five days and then gently re feeding on day six not gorging on days so and I will stand by his science over you know, the Internet craze that’s going on.
00:26:01:22 – 00:26:37:22
Nathan Crane
So I want to go to are you familiar with I know you’re familiar is Paul Saladino, Carnivore, M.D., you know, his his theory on high LDL cholesterol is that it only matters if your LDL cholesterol is high in the environment of insulin resistance. Otherwise, if you’re not insulin resistant, but you’re technically metabolically healthy, then high LDL cholesterol does not matter, which is his, you know, justification for promoting a, you know, high meat animal based diet.
00:26:37:22 – 00:26:38:23
Nathan Crane
What are your thoughts on that?
00:26:40:14 – 00:27:03:09
Dr. Joel Kahn
You know, I am familiar with Paul. He is a doctor, I think, trained as a psychiatrist. We had a little session, I think, in 2018 on The Dr. Show where we were debating the topic of our carnivore diet. It was a very ugly show for him. The panel just attacked him like crazy. And, you know, he kept quoting all the science.
00:27:03:09 – 00:27:27:22
Dr. Joel Kahn
And then when somebody actually asked him, could you actually name one paper? And there were none, it just devolved into an ugly episode. But that makes for good Hollywood TV. It was a popular episode. You know, it’s a theory. I will tell you this, you know, academic there’s a specialty called lipid allergy, you know, advanced cholesterol or medical therapy.
00:27:27:22 – 00:27:53:10
Dr. Joel Kahn
It could be a cardiologist, could be an endocrinologist, could be an internist and could be a guy, an obstetrician gynecologist. You can get board certified, you know, and they all live on Twitter now. I mean, these are big academic people with publications. You know, they wouldn’t spend 10 seconds considering Paul’s theory. They would say LDL cholesterol is causal, not associated with is causal of atherosclerosis.
00:27:53:10 – 00:28:25:08
Dr. Joel Kahn
That’s a uniform agreement across all of these specialties. But noisy people get attention, you know, so a cardiologist ten years ago, Steve Sinatra wrote a book, The Great Cholesterol Myth with Johnny Bouton. And these books pop up periodically, Big, Fat Surprise by Nina type calls. You know the question, everything, you know, generally, if you even bother to read them a very cherry picked reference is not representative.
00:28:25:08 – 00:29:00:15
Dr. Joel Kahn
And the European Society of Cardiology 2019, you know, LDL cholesterol is causative of atherosclerosis with hundreds of references. And yeah, all you got to do and I mentioned it right at the beginning of our conversation, it maybe it’s not a fair conclusion completely is. But there are children born with something called homozygous familial hypercholesterolemia. Homozygous FH there’s an FH foundation, about one in a million are born and their cholesterol from birth may be by six months, you know, can be over 600, 800 or a thousand.
00:29:00:15 – 00:29:20:16
Dr. Joel Kahn
And there’s nothing else wrong with them. And they have heart attacks at age eight, nine, ten, 11, bypass surgery, stents. Now, they could get a heart transplant, could get a liver transplant. They can get a cleansing therapy. The blood called a farriss. All you got to do. And it turned out when I did my fellowship training, Dallas, Texas, was the referral center in the United States for those children.
00:29:20:16 – 00:29:46:23
Dr. Joel Kahn
And I saw a lot of them in my fellowship. You know, you weren’t going to question the issue that LDL cholesterol can be pathogenic. The problem is it’s not everybody and nobody ever said the only risk factor of heart disease is cholesterol, LDL. Not every smoker gets lung cancer, heart attack, not every diabetic loses a leg. And not everybody with their cholesterol at 300 and an LDL at 200 has a heart attack.
00:29:46:23 – 00:30:07:07
Dr. Joel Kahn
The other statement is, this is a long pathway to a heart attack in a stroke. This is, you know, usually five, ten, 15, 20 years. You know, if you are having bypass at 60, we could have identified the problem at age 40. And your carotid arteries or your heart arteries or your peripheral arteries at an early stage took all those years to build up.
00:30:07:14 – 00:30:29:07
Dr. Joel Kahn
You know, Sean Baker, orthopedic surgeon, medical doctor, started getting popular in 2017. He published his calcium score was zero. I’ve never seen him six years later. Republish it. Now would be a good time. I hope he’s still zero. He’s a fairly friendly guy who served our country in the military. And I. I kind of liked the guy. Even I couldn’t disagree.
00:30:29:07 – 00:30:45:08
Dr. Joel Kahn
The more you know, he had only been carnivore for two years. That’s not enough to determine your immune from atherosclerosis. His lab values were insane in 2017. Bad. He did publish them, but I didn’t never seen him publish them again. Who was.
00:30:45:08 – 00:30:46:14
Nathan Crane
That? What was his name?
00:30:47:13 – 00:30:50:18
Dr. Joel Kahn
John. As a J.W. and Baker, M.D. He.
00:30:50:18 – 00:30:53:15
Nathan Crane
Really Sean Baker? Yeah. I think he’s got he’s got.
00:30:53:15 – 00:30:54:10
Dr. Joel Kahn
A you know, he just.
00:30:54:15 – 00:30:55:04
Nathan Crane
Pretty big was.
00:30:55:04 – 00:31:25:11
Dr. Joel Kahn
466 foot six he’s very ripped is more ripped than ever. He doesn’t really practice medicine anymore. So I think it works out 3 hours a day, although he’s got a bad neck injury going on from jiu jitsu right now. So I don’t hate the guy. I’ll be heels up quick. But you know, Sean republish all your data. I want to know what your creatinine is and your uric acid and your hemoglobin a1 c and your testosterone level, which was insanely low and your cholesterol levels which were very abnormal.
00:31:25:17 – 00:31:45:21
Dr. Joel Kahn
Let’s see your six year follow up and I wish him well, but that’s the only way you do science is you got to study coronary disease. Over the years, I’ve never seen Saladino publish any data. There’s an interesting guy on Twitter named Dave Feldman. He’s an engineer who does lipid self research and he drives his cholesterol over 500 and his LDL up.
00:31:46:03 – 00:32:12:09
Dr. Joel Kahn
And I’ve seen these academic lipids, colleges comment on it, and they just literally they hit their head and say, this is just a dangerous message and people shouldn’t do it. It does relate to the ketogenic diet, 30 to 40% roughly of people that get excited about the ketogenic diet. I mean, Saladin has started Carnivore, but he’s liberalized his diet a bit with fruits and honey and some other things that he eats.
00:32:13:05 – 00:32:14:04
Dr. Joel Kahn
But yeah, I thought.
00:32:14:04 – 00:32:18:03
Nathan Crane
I thought that was interesting that Paul put out all.
00:32:18:03 – 00:32:18:15
Dr. Joel Kahn
Meat and.
00:32:19:07 – 00:32:42:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah, he put out a book that was all promoting basically meat based diet, carnivore diet, and probably had hundreds of thousands of people follow that and then realized, oh, actually, I’m missing something really important, which is plants, specifically fruits, fruits that have, you know, vitamins and phytonutrients and amino acids and minerals that the body needs to thrive, including glucose and fructose.
00:32:44:04 – 00:33:02:24
Nathan Crane
And so now he says on that now you needed fruits and honey as well. These are really important. It’s like, well, yeah, we knew that for a very long time. And, you know, it wouldn’t surprise me that at some point, I mean, I don’t see him doing it, but if he were truly honest in high integrity, I think at some point in the future he’d say, Well, actually, plants aren’t bad for you.
00:33:02:24 – 00:33:21:24
Nathan Crane
He’s on a big kick right now saying that vegetables and plants and stuff are going to kill you. They’re bad for you, you know, the lectins and anti nutrients and all that stuff which we know are not an issue in a Whole Foods plant based diet, you know, trying to convince everyone that they’re basically plants that are, you know, meant to meant to kill you at the end of the day is really what it is.
00:33:21:24 – 00:33:42:05
Nathan Crane
And it’s like, dude, we know that’s not true, but millions of people are following that advice, unfortunately, right. So but then he, you know, he switched his tune, which was, oh, no, you do need fruit in addition, you know, to to the meat and so forth. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he changes again in a few years as he continues his research.
00:33:42:05 – 00:33:43:20
Nathan Crane
But, you know, the.
00:33:43:20 – 00:34:19:05
Dr. Joel Kahn
Only one that’s done that, you know, there’s Chris Kresser is a popular paleo advocate with a popular Paleo book. I debated him and Joe Rogan in 2018, a crazy four hour session, you know, and paleo doesn’t have dairy on Paleo, doesn’t have legumes. But he added those back because he thought he could improve on the paleo. And if you go back and read, I think it was in the 1990s, the original kind of Paleolithic author was a professor in Colorado, Lauren Core, Dane, Lori, NCR, DNP, Ph.D. in his first book, Beware High Cholesterol, Check Your Cholesterol.
00:34:19:05 – 00:34:44:21
Dr. Joel Kahn
LDL is you know, he wrote a paper in an academic cardiology journal. Your optimal LDL is under 50. That’s a Paleolithic, you know, level of LDL cholesterol that’s optimal. But then you got salad day now and Dave Feldman driving your LDL up. So I’d sort of pseudoscience it’s end of one research it’s too short there’s no long period of time and basically I think it’s pretty dangerous stuff.
00:34:45:17 – 00:34:59:04
Nathan Crane
So I found sort of stats that Sean Baker posted recently. Let’s take a look at him on his Twitter. Looks like this as recent as June 20, 23. He posted.
00:34:59:04 – 00:35:00:23
Dr. Joel Kahn
This. Thank you for finding it.
00:35:01:04 – 00:35:03:11
Nathan Crane
Yeah he poses hemoglobin a one seems.
00:35:03:21 – 00:35:32:23
Dr. Joel Kahn
5.2 pretty good and thyroid pretty good and white kind of lower end of normal, but very typical. Keep going up. Uh, fasting blood sugar in 99 is not really ideal under 85 is ideal. So if he did a two hour glucose tolerance test, I bet you would spike up. Interestingly, the three labs are were really worrisome. The past was his testosterone has great iron and and is lipid panel and I don’t see those there.
00:35:33:07 – 00:35:35:22
Nathan Crane
I don’t see it here either. I don’t know if you post it somewhere else, but.
00:35:36:24 – 00:36:11:06
Dr. Joel Kahn
You know interesting CGM data some you know some reason labs on show Marshon I do want to circle back you know just pure cardiology we talked about some labs to ask for from your doctor. I just want to at least make sure this goes, you know, in the recording beyond that, just everybody pause for a minute. Depending on your age, when you get to be about 45, your primary care doc is going to say women mammogram and prostate checks, everybody colonoscopy, women’s cervical cancer screening.
00:36:11:12 – 00:36:31:08
Dr. Joel Kahn
And if you’ve been a smoker, they might start to suggest it’s called low dose chest CT to make sure you don’t have a nodule and you’re looking for your smoking exposure. So we screen for five cancers, but in age 45, 50, 55 and 60, what primary care doctor says, Joe or Jane, we’re going to screen for silent heart disease.
00:36:31:08 – 00:36:58:09
Dr. Joel Kahn
It’s the number one. Take those five cancers, put them together. Heart disease will more likely kill you than those five cancers combined. And it just doesn’t exist in the American medical system. There’s something called the U.S. Preventive Task Force that kind of puts out recommendations to primary care docs. The insurance companies pick up on those recommendations. They won’t even let you do an electrocardiogram on your annual visit, which is by no means a good test.
00:36:58:19 – 00:37:20:04
Dr. Joel Kahn
They won’t pay for a stress test, which is really not a good screening test. But everybody should know that you can take $100 or $50 and go to your local hospital and get a heart. Calcium CT scan at age 45, 42, 48. If you’re a premenopausal woman in good health, maybe you want to push it a little bit later.
00:37:20:15 – 00:37:46:00
Dr. Joel Kahn
And without any injection, without any I.V., without any pain, claustrophobia or risk, you can have a CT scan of your heart that takes about 10 seconds, painless. You go home and you get a report and you want a heart. Calcium score of zero. This is what everybody should have at least once in your mid-forties. And just like, call and ask Abby if you got a perfect result.
00:37:46:08 – 00:38:15:17
Dr. Joel Kahn
Do it again in 5 to 10 years. If you’re a type two, diabetic, hypertensive, high cholesterol smoker, strong family history, maybe five years, you know, if you’re just doing it all right, maybe ten years, prove that you’re a zero again. And it’s so inexpensive. It was developed in 1990 6000 research articles. It’s already shown that anything your doctor does on a little calculator, Joe or Jane, you’ve got a 7% risk of a heart attack in the next ten years.
00:38:15:23 – 00:38:33:18
Dr. Joel Kahn
The CT scan is more accurate. It takes people that look good and identifies that day of silent heart disease, calcium in their arteries. We call that hardening of the arteries. And it takes people that look high risk on paper and puts them at low risk. So they don’t need a statin and they don’t need an aspirin and they just need lifestyle.
00:38:33:18 – 00:38:57:12
Dr. Joel Kahn
And this is all endorsed by the American Heart Association, but it hasn’t been picked up by the primary care community, hasn’t really been picked up by the cardiology community. After 33 years of the first scientific publication, some people know the name Dr. Arthur Agatston. He’s a cardiologist in Miami and he’s the author of the South Beach Diet Series of books and Foods.
00:38:57:24 – 00:39:30:02
Dr. Joel Kahn
But he developed the software program, so we call it an Agatston score. And you want your Agatston score to be zero. And I’m 64 and a half. Mine is zero. Opt to keep it that way for the rest of my years. But I’m not so bold as to say I’ve been plant based for 46 years. I’m not going to check because there’s so many factors insulin resistance, inflammation, genetics, environmental toxins, air pollution, plastics, p fast pee face, you know, poor sleep, you know, stress on and on.
00:39:30:02 – 00:39:55:11
Dr. Joel Kahn
So, you know, you just do the checks. I just wanted to throw that in as a plea to everybody. Your doctor probably has the right a script if you live in Cleveland. It’s actually a free test at the university hospital. If you live in Texas, the insurance companies do pay for it routinely. But most other states, you just pay an extremely small amount of money for a test that is so definitive in identifying your true risk.
00:39:55:11 – 00:40:03:10
Dr. Joel Kahn
And if it’s very high, you want to get help from either a preventive cardiologist or an integrative cardiologist. A heart calcium.
00:40:04:01 – 00:40:09:16
Nathan Crane
Scan. You want your score to be zero. What’s high? What’s considered high?
00:40:09:16 – 00:40:37:17
Dr. Joel Kahn
Well, there’s there’s cutoff point. Anything over zero is actually a bit of a concern. You’re building black, you know, over 100 is certainly a cutoff, over 400 as a cutoff. Over 1000 is a cutoff. You know, the risk of heart attack in the next ten years jumps in, jumps and jumps. The most recent benchmark published in the last six months from a UCLA professor and his colleagues is if you have a calcium score over 300, you’re asymptomatic, you’re playing pickleball, you’re traveling.
00:40:37:24 – 00:41:04:07
Dr. Joel Kahn
If it’s over three, your next ten years, you have the same risk of a heart attack or cardiac death as somebody who’s already had the heart attack. So all those people have had a heart attack at the cardiology office. And all those people with a calcium score over 300 don’t know they have it. They’re not getting tested or they’re getting tested and they’re not told that their risk is equivalent to somebody who’s already suffered a full blown, medically documented heart attack.
00:41:04:17 – 00:41:12:07
Dr. Joel Kahn
And it’s an easy test. Your local hospital, your university hospital offers it internationally. It’s available.
00:41:12:18 – 00:41:19:05
Nathan Crane
Is there is there proof that you can remove plaque from your arteries with a plant based diet?
00:41:20:02 – 00:41:46:05
Dr. Joel Kahn
That’s a great question, one I love to talk about. So the most current understanding of arthroscopy is just in general heart artery blockage, particularly now just show that ugly model is it’s a combination of at least two kinds of plaque that cardiologists call hard calcified bone like plaque. That’s what you pick up on the CT scan called the coronary artery calcium score.
00:41:46:14 – 00:42:10:08
Dr. Joel Kahn
And there’s something called soft plaque. No calcium plaque, fatty blood. You won’t see it on that C.T. scan. That’s the only downside to the 50 or $100 coin artery. Calcium scan is if you’re a zero, you’re in good shape. But if your numbers over zero, you may have some of that soft plaque you can’t see. To answer your question, the calcium doesn’t go away.
00:42:10:08 – 00:42:29:04
Dr. Joel Kahn
If your calcium score is 100, it’s not next year going to be 50 with a plant based diet. It’s not going to be 50 with Lipitor, it’s not going to be 50 with a training program. It probably will slowly wander up. Hopefully you can slow that down, but slowly wander up. But the soft, fatty plaque can be dissolved.
00:42:29:17 – 00:42:56:13
Dr. Joel Kahn
And when I read Dr. Ornish, his classic research, Dr. Esselstyn classic research, Joel Furman’s published papers. And this I think they were dissolving soft plaque. They just didn’t have the technology to measure. This is worth 3 minutes, you know, on record, you get a calcium score of 200 and you see somebody like me. And I’m going to tell you, we don’t know two things.
00:42:56:13 – 00:43:18:07
Dr. Joel Kahn
We just know you have a problem. We don’t know how narrow your heart arteries are because the calcium report can’t tell you that. And we don’t know how much soft plaque you have because the calcium score can’t see that. And if you want to go to the next step, you can have a more advanced CT scan, widely available call a coronary, see the angiogram.
00:43:18:14 – 00:43:36:23
Dr. Joel Kahn
They will put in an I.V. at your local hospital. They’ll give you iodine dye. If you’re not allergic, you’ll feel hot for 20 seconds. Iodine die is not radioactive, but it’s a CT scan and you will get a Band-Aid and go home if you have an insurance covered reason, it might be paid for, but many of my patients pay 7 to $800.
00:43:36:23 – 00:44:03:00
Dr. Joel Kahn
Sometimes hundred dollars out of pocket to get this more advanced CT scan. All of a sudden, you know, every area of how much narrowing, how much soft plaque, how much hard plaque and the real advance has been a software company. I have no financial ties to call. Clearly Health c l e r l y health account and. I have my patients go get their c d angiogram in San Francisco or Miami or Detroit or in New York.
00:44:03:11 – 00:44:26:13
Dr. Joel Kahn
And we mail the study on a CD to clearly health. They charge 750 $800. So we’re talking now 1500 dollars advanced test. You get a report no cardiologist has ever had until two and a half years ago every area they arteries how badly narrowed read by artificial intelligence algorithm computer and how much hard black how much of black.
00:44:26:13 – 00:44:51:02
Dr. Joel Kahn
And the cool thing is my patients are doing that if they want it, it’s always their choice. They’re they’re doing everything right. Diet, fitness, sleep, vitamins, supplements, cholesterol, lab values. And two years later, we’re repeating the test and the soft plaque is just shrinking and shrinking so I’m basically with any patient now I can be Dr. Dean Ornish doing that study.
00:44:51:10 – 00:45:07:21
Dr. Joel Kahn
But I’ve got a technology so precise, so personal and so available. But, you know, there’s a financial restriction, there’s radiation concerns that they can go three years, will wait three years. If they’re really ugly data. We might even wait just a year and go back. You company has published.
00:45:07:21 – 00:45:09:04
Nathan Crane
These case studies anywhere.
00:45:11:09 – 00:45:27:03
Dr. Joel Kahn
I’ve written on them. I haven’t published in the academic world, but the cardiologists and others behind clearly all have published series of 2000. 1000. I mean, there’s big, big studies published with all these pictures of soft plaque going down.
00:45:27:03 – 00:45:32:23
Nathan Crane
So we’re specifically on a plant based diet and lifestyle changes or or.
00:45:32:24 – 00:45:52:09
Dr. Joel Kahn
That’s not going to be what the clearly health people are going to be talking about. They’re going to be talking about how much that and how much additional cholesterol medicine, you know, the lifestyle oriented ones. Even in my own practice, if you’ve got a lot of soft plaque, you’re going to do full board, plant based, full bore fitness lifestyle sleep supplements.
00:45:52:16 – 00:46:16:17
Dr. Joel Kahn
You’re going to end up on prescription drugs. And just to bring back out of the day. No, you know, in the cardiology world since 2019, if you have evidence of plaque or hard black soft plaque, you’ve had a bypass, you’ve had a stent. The goal, LDL and know these guys are pushing their LDL to 300. The goal LDL in the academic world is an LDL.
00:46:16:17 – 00:46:43:16
Dr. Joel Kahn
Less than 55 will start to shrink your plaque. And clearly help has data like that in other societies. So it’s very hard to get your LDL cholesterol under 55. You might have a total cholesterol of 95 with a plant based diet alone, even the most pristine Dr. Esselstyn style diets. It’s hard to get that low. He wasn’t shooting that low when he started his studies and published his books.
00:46:43:16 – 00:46:50:13
Dr. Joel Kahn
This is, you know, newer guidelines, newer goals. So it’s usually diet plus diet plan. Right?
00:46:50:13 – 00:46:57:02
Nathan Crane
Right, right. Which is you’re talking exercise, sleep, stress reduction, removal of toxins.
00:46:58:05 – 00:47:22:13
Dr. Joel Kahn
Yeah. And the pharmacology of cholesterol control has expanded. We have way more options than we did five, six, seven years ago. And I hate to use them, but I’m not going to deny somebody, you know, the most aggressive approach to prevent future stent heart attack. And by and now we can actually show them it’s working. So I’ve seen that in my own clinic in a dramatic shrinking of plaque.
00:47:22:13 – 00:47:23:20
Dr. Joel Kahn
It absolutely happens.
00:47:23:22 – 00:47:29:04
Nathan Crane
So you use statins with with the diet and lifestyle approach. Is that primarily what you do.
00:47:30:02 – 00:47:55:14
Dr. Joel Kahn
In these people that have bulky advanced plaque? I will I’ll tell you a little trick there, because probably some of your listeners are on a statin. But the good news is not just me, but even the American Heart Association and other similar organizations around the world. If you go for if you’re on you’re on Lipitor because your gynecologist, your family doctor said a good idea at age 42, you go for a calcium score, it comes back zero.
00:47:55:22 – 00:48:16:11
Dr. Joel Kahn
These organizations say that’s a good opportunity not to be on a start. Embrace lifestyle. You don’t have detectable disease. You don’t need a pharmacologic drug. It may help you. There’s something in medicine called number needed to treat. You know, you may have to put 500 people on a statin that have a calcium score of zero to help one person avoid a heart attack.
00:48:16:11 – 00:48:22:07
Dr. Joel Kahn
That’s just a random number I’m throwing out there. That’s a lot of people are but I medicine and side effects to help one person.
00:48:22:16 – 00:48:27:01
Nathan Crane
That reminds me of that reminds me of the COVID study but anyway go on but.
00:48:27:01 – 00:48:56:22
Dr. Joel Kahn
If you got somebody with, you know, calcium scores of these angiograms, clearly it takes many fewer patients, maybe 12, 12 people help one, prevent a heart attack in a relatively short time. And just what I do in my clinic is I use the lowest possible dose of a statin. And people may not like this, but there’s a second prescription drug called as a Timi that used to be called Z, Z Dere, but available for 20 years.
00:48:56:22 – 00:49:23:16
Dr. Joel Kahn
Very safe drug. Not a statin works completely different. If you put the two together, you get that low cholesterol level with half the side effects of just using Lipitor or Crestor like cardiologists and doctors like. And now in the last 18 months from Korea and Poland and other parts of the world, this combination approach, they’re both generic, they’re inexpensive, is showing many fewer side effects, much better tolerated.
00:49:23:22 – 00:49:48:20
Dr. Joel Kahn
But it’s shown that it’s shrinking the plaque dissolve plaque much more effectively. So in my clinic, it’s low dose statin with a second drug. It’s always going to combination therapy and the patients enjoy it and their lab values are spectacular. And when we repeat their studies, we’re hoping to see, you know, major reversal. So these are all the nuances of cutting edge, I call it, you know, preventive reversal cardiology.
00:49:48:20 – 00:50:02:10
Dr. Joel Kahn
And not all of it is sprouts and, you know, black lentils and all. But you obviously going to maximize the response if you just take a, you know, like a switchblade, use all the blades and this bad disease.
00:50:02:20 – 00:50:05:06
Nathan Crane
Mm. Like a Swiss army knife approach.
00:50:06:03 – 00:50:06:22
Dr. Joel Kahn
Yep. There you go.
00:50:07:00 – 00:50:42:18
Nathan Crane
So I wanted to, I wanted to ask you about, you know, I remember listening to RFK first talk about the Pfizer vaccine study and how we were told that, you know, it was 100% effective right then. It was 80, 76. He fit right. The numbers just kept going down and down over time. And how when you look at that study, it actually showed that you needed 22, I think it was 22,000 doses to basically save one life.
00:50:42:18 – 00:51:11:08
Nathan Crane
So you just made me think of this when you said like, yeah, you could you have to prescribe so many amount of drugs to basically save one person’s life. That’s basically what that study said. But we weren’t told that you needed, you know, 22,000 doses of people to get the vaccine to save one person’s life. But that same study showed that it was something like five people, four or five people actually died of other causes during that trial as well.
00:51:11:08 – 00:51:24:06
Nathan Crane
So it was like you save one life from COVID with 22,000 doses, but five people died of other causes. Some would say they died. You know, those diseases came because of the side effects of the vaccine.
00:51:24:19 – 00:51:48:22
Dr. Joel Kahn
But they were, you know, that is published data. I think the New England Journal of Medicine, that’s the initial the Pfizer randomized study that was supposed to go three years placebo versus the Moderna vaccine at two months. They stopped the study and they gave all the placebo people the vaccine. So they completely ended the ability to follow long term.
00:51:48:22 – 00:52:09:21
Dr. Joel Kahn
How did these two groups do? You just had a eight week window, but when they looked at six months, there were just as you said, I’m not even sure there was one death, but there were more events in the vaccinated arm and those deaths included heart attacks. Most of those five you’re talking about, I think, were cardiac events compared to the IBO.
00:52:10:05 – 00:52:37:05
Dr. Joel Kahn
And that just was never, you know, shared widely with the public, you know, that these are the actual numbers, you know, until this day, people are still saying, don’t worry, your vaccine will prevent the spread and your child won’t give it to grandma and grandpa. And we know that’s not true. It’s an individual decision on whether the vaccine is going to prevent, you know, severe COVID and maybe fatal COVID.
00:52:37:05 – 00:52:59:24
Dr. Joel Kahn
But when you’re talking, you know, teenagers and children and young adults, as I mentioned to you before we collect a record, I just got asked a consult. I have to be a little careful to make sure I don’t reveal who, but a young, nationally ranked baseball player who everybody hopefully will hear about because of his career in a good way.
00:52:59:24 – 00:53:24:05
Dr. Joel Kahn
But due to a mandatory vaccine roll out of take is having, you know, severe problems right now. And that workup is underway. And, you know, it’s tragic. And, you know, if you say how many 19 year olds need, you know what you need to treat with a vaccine to prevent one fatal COVID episode when you could just treat with nasal irrigation.
00:53:24:05 – 00:53:54:07
Dr. Joel Kahn
Gargling Vitamin D, QUERCETIN Zinc Vitamin C, God forbid. Talk about, controversial, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and the rest. You know, how many do you need to treat? I mean, the number is so biased against, you know, not moving down that pathway of vaccination. But, you know, that’s just science. Well, we’re not allowed to talk science. I mean, I spent ten months kicked off Twitter and LinkedIn because I would post these questions and got, you know, social media spanked.
00:53:54:07 – 00:54:23:07
Dr. Joel Kahn
I’m back on Thank you, Elon and others, but they should be asked. We ask it all the time. And right now there’s all this conversation going on about, well, go videos and big safety scaring data. We’re allowed to debate that, you know, in the public sphere and in the medical world. But there was one topic we were never allowed to debate in the last four years, and nobody yet really has a complete explanation of why, other than follow the money is always a fallback.
00:54:23:20 – 00:54:50:16
Nathan Crane
Well, so same thing happened to me. I was just sharing science and got my account shut down. Facebook, jail, YouTube shut me down for eight months, you know, and these were I was just reporting on published papers right. And so they obviously didn’t want any of that information out there will still to this day. So I just got a notice from YouTube that says we’ve demonetized your account for for harmful content.
00:54:50:16 – 00:55:10:12
Nathan Crane
And I looked at the harmful content terms and I don’t have one video that fits any harmful content. And so I’ve back and forth five times now please show me my videos that have harmful content and they won’t show me them. They just say, oh, it’s, it’s all spread throughout your channel. So, you know, there is no actual evidence of harmful content.
00:55:10:12 – 00:55:35:13
Nathan Crane
But in their other terms, they do have, you know, medical misinformation. That’s not what they said, though. That’s not under harmful content. And everything on my channel is backed by science. I can show, I can back it up with something from the published journals. Well, what they’ve now published recently is my specialty has been in independent cancer research for over a decade.
00:55:35:13 – 00:56:00:15
Nathan Crane
So a lot of my videos are about cancer specifically and cancer prevention and and how to empower the body to fight cancer naturally. Well, now they’ve said as of August 15th or something, they’re coming after cancer content on YouTube. And they I read on their website, they partnered with Mayo Clinic, which is primarily conventional medicine based. You’re taking drugs, chemotherapy, radiation and the show.
00:56:01:01 – 00:56:34:21
Nathan Crane
So for whatever reason, if whatever you’re sharing isn’t agreed upon, by which we know is a very corrupt organization, the W.H.O. and the Mayo Clinic, which is, you know, the, you know, biggest supporter of drugs and therapies, conventional medicine. If it doesn’t fit within their standards, then it’s considered medical misinformation. And so they’ve demonetized my my entire channel and they won’t give me any direct evidence as to why it’s it’s still insane to me to this day.
00:56:34:21 – 00:56:56:01
Dr. Joel Kahn
I used the word no for dystopian, but dystopian is a word that describes what we’re going through, you know, and not everybody listening today loves Russell Brand. But have you ever listened to his podcast? You know, his first 15 minutes are very pablum, non-controversial, and then he says goodbye to the YouTube crowd and.
00:56:56:17 – 00:56:57:10
Nathan Crane
Goes the rumble.
00:56:57:14 – 00:57:31:00
Dr. Joel Kahn
Getting kicked up. And he finishes his conversation on his audio podcast or Rumble, and then he goes deep on a topic. And, you know, to have to do that, to self-censor yourself. Well, most of us are pretty offended by it who’ve spent. I mean, a clinical cardiologist, but I have a pretty strong academic career and publications and it’s just this just has never we argued about statins and we argued about bypass or angioplasty, and we debated and these are the most popular formats in medical conferences.
00:57:31:00 – 00:57:39:04
Dr. Joel Kahn
Were the debates, the diet wars. But there’s one topic you can’t do that. And it hasn’t eased up to much degree yet. So.
00:57:39:04 – 00:58:11:08
Nathan Crane
Well it’s well it’s two now so it’s covered and cancer they’ve never done this before on cancer. So as of August 15th, 2023, this is now new, which is concerning because in there specifically, people can go read this on websites, on YouTube’s website or on Google’s website under the terms medical misinformation policies. And so the concern. And so they’re basically coming after natural approaches for cancer and they have a whole list of things you can say and you can share.
00:58:11:08 – 00:58:48:02
Nathan Crane
And and if all you’re promoting natural medicine and dissuading people from any kind of conventional medicine, they will delete your videos and shut you down. The concern for me so my has been helping people with cancer. Right. The concern for me is now that they’re they’ve basically duplicated the script from COVID to cancer, what’s going to stop them from coming after heart disease, diabetes, autoimmune disease, all the other things to basically try and silence any natural or functional approaches based in science for helping people, you know, have options.
00:58:48:02 – 00:59:06:05
Nathan Crane
That’s that’s really that’s the only thing I care about is like, here’s the information, here’s the science, here’s the education, here’s solutions. So you are informed so you can actually know your options and then make an educated decision, which is what doctors are supposed to do. Right? They’re supposed to inform their patients of all their options like you do.
00:59:06:12 – 00:59:16:00
Nathan Crane
But most doctors unfortunately aren’t educated in all their options and clearly the powers that be don’t want people to know these alternative options even exist.
00:59:17:02 – 00:59:45:02
Dr. Joel Kahn
Absolutely. I know. Well, but you can only hope and pray that maybe we did find the World Health Organization or we withdraw. But, you know, it’s still our alignment with YouTube is very concerning. And you mentioned Google and and I don’t want to be a spreader of bad news, but people should look a guy up, a guy named Robert Epstein, Ph.D., who’s got a research project, sort of like James O’Keefe’s and the former Veritas.
00:59:45:02 – 01:00:06:09
Dr. Joel Kahn
But Robert Epstein’s research project is on Google and Google Analytics. He’s been on Joe Rogan and he was recently on Russell Brand. And you’ve got a Gmail account. You should go look at Robert Epstein and review his website. It’s an eye without going deep into it and eat a bowl of broccoli while you’re doing that, you know, bring it back to healthy lifestyle.
01:00:07:00 – 01:00:34:21
Dr. Joel Kahn
So, you know, we’ve talked about we’ve talked about labs, we’ve talked about early testing, we’ve talked about documenting reversal of heart disease. I mean, those are the key critical topics of 2023 that are exciting and get overlooked. I mean, they can make such an impact, you know, warp speed, heart disease prevention would be, you know, early lab testing, early artery imaging, early documentation of reversal.
01:00:35:19 – 01:00:54:17
Dr. Joel Kahn
You know, it’s an aggressive program. But where, you know, with cancer, we’ll spend $100,000 on, you know, one dose of a drug. You know, even if you go crazy with labs and see angiograms and calcium scores, you might spend a couple thousand dollars on your health if even if you pay out of pocket, you know, it’s worth it.
01:00:55:14 – 01:01:23:13
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Well, and you know, if you’re if you’re if you have a cancer diagnosis, your risk for heart disease goes up exponentially. I think the number one death of cancer patients who have lived past ten years is not actually cancer. They don’t die from cancer. They die from heart disease. So that’s why heart disease is such an important topic to understand and get a handle on and understanding of and get ahead of, you know, through these diet and lifestyle changes.
01:01:23:13 – 01:01:37:12
Nathan Crane
So as we wrap up here, what are some kind of key points like water, principles of diet, lifestyle, things that you can kind of share with people if they want to prevent heart disease?
01:01:37:12 – 01:02:21:12
Dr. Joel Kahn
Yeah. You know, the American Heart Association came out this year with an upgrade. They used to have something called Life’s Simple seven. Now it’s called the Essential eight, and they’re kind of boring topics. The new one they added was sleep quality. The recognition that the last decade has been explosion of data short sleep, long sleep, bragging, continuously sleep apnea, sleep just connected with any disease we’ve talked about from metabolic insulin resistance, heart disease, cancer, obesity, dementia and the others are blood pressure, cholesterol, smoking, quality of diet, fitness, genetics, family history, you know, and you got to go through that list and ask yourself, you know, you and I both agree that the mass of data
01:02:21:12 – 01:02:45:24
Dr. Joel Kahn
is not Saladino or Baker. It’s awful. Plant based diets as high quality as home cooked, as unprocessed, as colorful as possible. But that’s not enough to me. You know, you need to know your lipoprotein and your calcium score. And I have patients that are the most devout advocates of lifestyle and plant based eating, and they’re still dealing with atherosclerosis because genetics are a big factor.
01:02:45:24 – 01:03:03:03
Dr. Joel Kahn
And most of those genetic inputs can be measured in lab values or cheek swabs or other ways of getting at it. So, you know, these advance approaches, we need to attack this disease. So now do not assume you’re okay just because you came off the pickleball court get jacked?
01:03:04:14 – 01:03:23:04
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s I was as I was researching heart disease I remember coming across statistic you tell me if this is accurate or not that something like 50% which is why it’s called silent killer, right? 50% of people who die from heart attacks actually don’t know that they have heart disease. Is that accurate?
01:03:24:00 – 01:03:49:20
Dr. Joel Kahn
It might even be higher, but it’s absolutely true. You know, there’s a last six months, a major study in Denmark where they just about age 45 to 50, they applied that advanced CT scan, the one with the iodine to coronary angiography to just 25,000 people in Copenhagen. And about 50% of people are walking around with unknown, undetected coronary artery disease.
01:03:49:20 – 01:04:11:07
Dr. Joel Kahn
And about 10%, it’s actually quite advanced and quite severe. And even if we just took those 10% to September program, that’s where the bulk of the heart attacks bypass and stents are going to be. So, you know, all of you listening, you know, if you’re 28 years old, it’s a great time to adopt a healthy lifestyle. But if you’re in your forties, approaching 50 or beyond, know those are the statistics.
01:04:11:07 – 01:04:28:22
Dr. Joel Kahn
You know, don’t assume if you get nothing else but that $50 calcium CT scan and you come back a zero, you know, have a little party with broccoli sprouts and if you are high, you know, dig deep, read a lot and don’t read SALADINO And don’t read Dave Feldman and don’t reach on Baker PLACE.
01:04:30:09 – 01:04:35:19
Nathan Crane
Well, if people want to learn more from you, your books, you know, connect with you. What’s the best place for them to go?
01:04:36:16 – 01:05:04:14
Dr. Joel Kahn
Yeah, I am, you know, a busy clinician, and I’m proud of that. I’m going to do that as long as I can. I’m in Detroit, but I’m licensed in half the states, the United States. I can reach out to people authentically, and I do it in a hidden way, do it in a aboveboard way, and order stuff. But as Doctor Joel concur d rj otl k h and okay, thank you to my podcast, my clinic, my blogs and you know, I’ve been doing this a long time.
01:05:05:12 – 01:05:16:21
Nathan Crane
Awesome. Joel, thanks so much. As time flew by, I mean, I’d love to talk. Yeah, there’s so many more things we about, but I know you’re busy, you got patients, get back to you. So thanks for taking the time, man. I appreciate it.
01:05:17:18 – 01:05:20:05
Dr. Joel Kahn
Pretty change the audience and go. Nathan Great.
01:05:20:17 – 01:05:22:10
Nathan Crane
Awesome. Thanks. Take care, everybody.
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00:00:00:00 – 00:00:29:09
Nathan Crane
Everybody, welcome back to the podcast. Today I am joined by Dr. Toni Galardi, who is a union trained psychotherapist and an executive coach. She’s an evolutionary medical astrologer and author of The Life Quake Phenomenon. Also, her new book that has just come out is called Breast Quake. And she shares her journey through breast cancer and what she has done to help heal herself.
00:00:29:13 – 00:00:33:02
Nathan Crane
And excited, Toni, to have you here on a podcast. Thanks for coming on.
00:00:34:03 – 00:00:37:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
All right. You’re one of my heroes. And so it’s an honor to be here.
00:00:38:09 – 00:00:43:17
Nathan Crane
Oh, that’s that’s really humbling to hear. Why do you say that? In what way? What do you do?
00:00:43:22 – 00:01:08:10
Dr. Toni Galardi
I’ll tell you why. Well, I mentioned you three times in my book because when I was originally diagnosed, I started to do an immersion in research because the turning point was in the breast cancer surgeon’s office when she said she looked at the scans and she was looking at them for the first time after the biopsy, and she said, Oh, my gosh.
00:01:08:10 – 00:01:14:22
Dr. Toni Galardi
And I thought, oh, you know, she’s seeing something that’s really bad, right? She said, Your tumor is in the shape of a heart.
00:01:15:07 – 00:01:15:18
Nathan Crane
Hmm.
00:01:16:00 – 00:01:38:22
Dr. Toni Galardi
And one of my girlfriends who came with me said a cracked heart. She was looking at it because there was a, you know, line down the middle. And she said, well, that’s because two tumors merged into one and I knew that because it’s in the left upper quadrant of my left breast, that this was emotional and I knew that I needed to find answers.
00:01:38:22 – 00:01:57:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
And so one of the things I did was immerse myself in your your your summit and your holistic. Tell us some which were a lifesaver, you know, because it helped me to understand I had gone to Optimum Health Institute at age 30 when I had Epstein-Barr inside.
00:01:57:22 – 00:01:59:01
Nathan Crane
And the one in San Diego.
00:02:00:07 – 00:02:27:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
Which is like the, you know, your hypocrisies in Florida. And so I knew I saw people with advanced stages of cancer kill themselves with enough detoxification. And the fact that they took on the mental, emotional, spiritual and physical I knew I needed to kind of adopt that model. And because I’m a psychotherapist, I knew there was emotional trauma that was connected to this tumor.
00:02:27:09 – 00:02:52:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
I had lost both of my parents six months apart, a few years before I had moved across country from California to Asheville. I broke up with in a five year relationship, we were engaged. So it was boom, boom, boom, change after change after change and not enough time to process the emotional trauma. So there was so I started gathering because I’m a researcher and I’ve had the path of the wounded healer.
00:02:52:06 – 00:03:22:13
Dr. Toni Galardi
I’ve almost died three times, you know, over the course of my adult life. Yeah. I’ve had that initiation, the shamanic initiation and everything that ever happened to me. I turned around and helped other people. So I knew that when this went that the way I was going to heal breast cancer, it needed to be a way that other people could adopt because there are plenty of people who can’t go and spend the money at Optimum Health or a cancer clinic, you know, because they’re expensive.
00:03:22:14 – 00:03:46:20
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, I looked into them 30,000 a month, you know, so I started looking at end the traditional. And I, I just want to quote this the Journal of American Medical Association in February of this year. Here’s this traditional journal saying that women are paying more for breast cancer treatment and they’re concerned about this. They’re obviously talking about traditional treatment.
00:03:47:06 – 00:04:11:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
Women are paying more for for breast cancer treatment than colorectal, lung and prostate cancer combined. Okay. So if that’s happening in the traditional world where, you know, people have $10,000 deductibles and whatnot, I thought I’ve got to find a way to heal me because my thing is helping others. It’s everything I’ve ever, ever gotten, you know, physically I’ve gone on to help others.
00:04:11:18 – 00:04:36:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I said, I’ve got to find a way to biohacking this. So that I so that people can do this at home. And so when I heard, you know, there are things that you said and people you interviewed that you can’t find on the Internet. So people like you are doing this amazing service. And that’s why I mentioned you three different times in my book of things that you had said that I took with me.
00:04:36:02 – 00:05:05:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
For example, I started doing Vitamin C, IVs. I did exactly. I did a bunch of things and things that were the ACA catches a dollar a day, you know, and this company that I adore, these people, you know, they have a company called SCA, a genuine SCA, and they will, if you do their program 33 times a day on an empty stomach, three ounces of their their tea, you make it the way they tell you to make you drink it three times a day for six months.
00:05:05:02 – 00:05:10:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
If you don’t reverse cancer, they give you your money back. So it was like that.
00:05:10:04 – 00:05:23:02
Nathan Crane
And holy cow. That’s amazing. I mean, one, it’s amazing that they’re they’re able to, you know, I mean, they’re not making they’re not making a claim. Right? I mean, are they guaranteeing it or they’re just saying, we’ll give you your money back.
00:05:23:15 – 00:05:24:09
Dr. Toni Galardi
If it doesn’t.
00:05:24:13 – 00:05:35:01
Nathan Crane
If it if it doesn’t work, which is which is awesome to do. Right. I mean, that’s going to draw a lot of attention to them. Unfortunately, a lot of negative attention.
00:05:35:16 – 00:05:36:07
Dr. Toni Galardi
So something.
00:05:36:07 – 00:05:36:18
Nathan Crane
Pretty cool.
00:05:37:17 – 00:06:01:14
Dr. Toni Galardi
Something you said and you were interviewing a doctor and you said you were talking about a story of a woman who had been doing holistic treatment, but then at the last minute, like she got convinced into having surgery, you know, she had like a centimeter left or something like that pressured into having the surgery. And when they opened her up, it was necrotic tissue.
00:06:01:18 – 00:06:03:03
Nathan Crane
Right, exactly.
00:06:03:03 – 00:06:21:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I went on and I look this up, I have it, I have it in my book, actually. So things I got from you then I was able to go on and do the research. If you don’t know where to go, you won’t find them on the Internet. And that’s it. Yeah. So your summits are so invaluable for this kind of thing.
00:06:21:03 – 00:06:42:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
So what I did was I found the substantiation. There is a radiologist in Oslo who was saying, we can’t tell in some tumors. We can’t tell the difference between dead cancer cells and live ones, which is and I asked my breast cancer surgery and I had to go in because she thinks I’m a pain in the ass. I mean, I’m I mean, nothing to her, right?
00:06:42:18 – 00:07:04:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
Because I have surgery, but I have to come back and I have one year, you know, every year I have to go and see her and I talk to her, you know, doing a mammogram with an eye contrast instead of the MRI with the, you know, the the black dye. So anyway, she I asked her, I said, is it true that you can’t tell the difference after you do radiation?
00:07:04:15 – 00:07:27:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know? And she said, yeah, that’s why we we wait, you know, because it takes time for the body to clear the dead tissue. Well, vitamin C, for example, high dose intravenous vitamin C has the same kind of effect. It’s oxygenating not just the tumor, but every cancer cell in your body that might you might not know about.
00:07:27:04 – 00:07:27:14
Dr. Toni Galardi
Right.
00:07:27:14 – 00:07:57:16
Nathan Crane
Exactly. Yeah. The vitamin C is is a prerequisite for hydrogen peroxide. And so the more vitamin C you have, the more hydrogen peroxide your body makes. And hydrogen peroxide, is it literally kills cancer cells. So, you know, that’s the theory behind why high dose vitamin C works so well against cancer is because it’s producing so much hydrogen peroxide naturally inside your body, which is, as we’re talking about, you know, highly oxygenating the environment around the cells.
00:07:57:16 – 00:08:28:09
Nathan Crane
And we know cancer cells can’t live in a highly oxygenated environment. They, you know, they require an anaerobic environment lacking oxygen. So, yeah, it is interesting that we have these natural solutions for basically the similar mechanisms of action that conventional therapies or chemotherapies, radiation, etc. does to the cancer cell. But in this case, high dose vitamin C is not damaging the healthy cells.
00:08:28:10 – 00:08:57:21
Nathan Crane
That’s that’s the really cool thing. But we also have to be super careful because these giant social media companies will take this information and and and, as you said, prevent it from getting out to the public. YouTube now is actually going against going out and and seeking cancer content and and de-platforming and removing it from YouTube. Yeah. Even if it’s based in evidence, just like they did for COVID.
00:08:57:21 – 00:09:15:23
Nathan Crane
So I’m like, I don’t know what’s going to happen with my YouTube channel at this point, you know? But everything we share is, is either like your case, you’re sharing your story and what you did and how you healed. And everything that we share and talk about is evidence based. I mean, it’s in the journal, everything, literature, evidence.
00:09:16:23 – 00:09:41:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
Everything I did is evidence based. So the Riordan protocol, you can find if you know where to go by, you know, by googling Riordan word and protocol because he has one of the few people who could get the the money to do a formal, you know, evidence based clinical trial. You know, who pays for clinical trials?
00:09:41:24 – 00:10:05:19
Dr. Toni Galardi
Mostly pharmaceutical companies, right? So getting the money to be able to show efficacy is not easy. But he has 50 years of advocacy behind his protocol, you know, and now his son has taken on that that work as well. But there is there’s too much trauma. And so I only did things that I knew could because I didn’t want to be taken down, you know.
00:10:06:00 – 00:10:27:11
Dr. Toni Galardi
But I so I did things that have evidence based. SC Actually 100 years of data on since the twenties. So the things that I did all are evidence based. Then there were the things I got into because I’m a career coach that have to do with occupational risk and that I didn’t see in any book that I read on alternative treatment of breast cancer.
00:10:27:11 – 00:10:57:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, no one is, but because this is my passion is helping people get aligned. You know, I came out of addiction treatment and one of the things I brought to addiction treatment consulting was having people look at what can drive addiction when when someone is not doing something, they’re passionate about and that when you include that, you know, in residential treatment where someone gets to look at like, what am I really what do I want to do with my life that makes my life thrive?
00:10:57:06 – 00:11:12:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I started looking at that and there are actual occupations that are tied that puts you more at risk than any other occupation for breast cancer. And so I have that in my book as well.
00:11:12:06 – 00:11:30:06
Nathan Crane
Well, number one, thank you for sharing that with me. I’m so glad that the you know, the work that I and my team have been able to do supported you in your healing journey like that. I just I love hearing stories like yours because it makes me, you know, so fulfilled to to continue doing this work because it’s not easy.
00:11:30:06 – 00:11:52:14
Nathan Crane
It’s not easy that, you know, it’s like we get attacked, we get deplatformed, we get censored. We have people calling us quacks and fakes and whatever. Right. And it’s like your story is amazing and incredible. And I’ve heard a lot of stories like that. They, you know, follow information, follow our coaching Archer docu series, you know, read my books, etc., etc., make the chain.
00:11:52:14 – 00:12:07:18
Nathan Crane
It’s not me who’s doing it right. It’s you. It’s it’s the patients is the clients. It’s the people who say, Yeah, this all make sense to me. I’m making the changes in my life. I’m changing my diet, I’m implementing these protocols. I’m going to reduce my stress. I’m going to heal my emotional trauma, I’m going to do sauna, etc., etc..
00:12:08:01 – 00:12:31:13
Nathan Crane
And then, you know, I hear I got an email not too long ago from from a woman who said, you know, my my cancer is regressing. I’ve been following everything you’ve been teaching for the past year. And my latest scan actually shows my cancer is regressing. So it’s intentional what you’ve done. And it’s cool that you’re, you know, you’ve put this in to information that you can share with others.
00:12:31:13 – 00:12:59:05
Nathan Crane
And I want to get more into your specific protocols in this podcast. I have some other questions for you though, in the meantime, but one just thank you for sharing that. It truly, truly touches my heart to hear it and to see you. You know where you’re at, thriving now, able to take what could have been a devastating, you know, life destroying diagnosis and turn it into something positive and meaningful to then go out and help others.
00:12:59:05 – 00:13:01:08
Nathan Crane
And it’s changed your life for the better, obviously.
00:13:02:10 – 00:13:22:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
And to be able to glow during in the in the in the in the middle of breast cancer, I took pictures. I had people take pictures that I put in the book of what you can look like in the middle of breast cancer treatment. I was originally diagnosed at stage two invasive ductal carcinoma, and in the middle of my treatment halfway through, I am my face is clean.
00:13:22:17 – 00:13:33:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
I thought I was in really good health. I organic non gluten non alcohol diet you name it but man detoxing what that does, it’s the best cosmetic in the world.
00:13:35:02 – 00:14:00:00
Nathan Crane
Yeah 100%. I just shared my detox protocol with a friend yesterday. He’s like, Hey, do you know anything about heavy metals? I’m like, Yeah, I’m researching heavy metals and detoxing and sharing that for like 15 years with people. And so I sent in some info yesterday. I’ve got like a daily detox protocol that I recommend that kind of hits heavy metals fungus, parasites, candida, etc. It is something you can do.
00:14:00:00 – 00:14:25:11
Nathan Crane
Morning, evening. Each day. Keep it simple, but detox is critical with how many toxins we’re exposed to today and I want to go back I want to share a little bit since we glossed over that story, because I think I mean, that story touched me in such a profound way as well. The story that I shared in our documentary series, The Missing Link that you’re talking about of the woman who she was, she I don’t remember what stage she was.
00:14:25:11 – 00:14:48:11
Nathan Crane
I think she was like stage four of stage four. She had a pretty big breast cancer tumor there, you know, and but she was doing everything natural. She was following the holistic protocols. She was you know, the tumor basically had stopped growing. And it was for quite a while she had changed her diet and she was doing emotional healing and she was doing a whole bunch of a holistic approach.
00:14:48:22 – 00:15:11:16
Nathan Crane
And the tumor stopped growing. But she was told by, I think it was a family members or somebody had convinced her and said, look, that’s it’s going to kill you. You have to get that out of you. Now, even though she’d been doing this protocol following her integrative doctors guidance, you know, it didn’t she didn’t have many symptoms from it.
00:15:11:16 – 00:15:33:13
Nathan Crane
It wasn’t impeding in her life in any way. It wasn’t, you know, it was just the fear. It was just the fear of someone in your ear. And this is something people can take a lot away from, is we have to learn how to differentiate between somebody else’s fear projecting on us and what our own intuition is telling us.
00:15:33:13 – 00:15:56:10
Nathan Crane
And her intuition told her, go holistic, go natural. That was her choice. And and, you know, results, if you stop the progression of a tumor, that’s results. It’s not growing anymore. Like, that’s amazing that that alone should tell you, hey, what I’m doing is working, but someone’s in her ear putting all this fear in her. So she so she goes in and ends up getting I think it was so large.
00:15:56:10 – 00:16:16:05
Nathan Crane
I don’t even think I don’t not sure if it was just a lumpectomy, but actually actually had her breast completely removed. That’s what it was. She had her breast removed because it was, I believe, metastasized. I think it was like I think it was stage three or stage four. And then when they looked in open up the tumor, it was all dead.
00:16:16:22 – 00:16:36:16
Nathan Crane
The tumor was completely dead. The body was just processing those dead cells. And that can take a long time. I can take a long time for your body to get rid of that. Well, now, here she is. She has no more breasts. Her breasts don’t she can’t do anything about that. Right? Like you can’t put a breast back on once it’s gone.
00:16:37:05 – 00:17:14:17
Nathan Crane
And you know, to me, that was so eye opening and so shocking. It’s like, you know, sometimes you got to trust your intuition. Sometimes you got to trust what you feel is the right thing to do and just shut out all the outside noise of other people’s fears projecting onto you. That certainly was the case. I mean, if she would have and I talked about this with the doctor who was treating her, and he agreed that if she would have just kept doing what she was doing and let her body process that that tissue on its own in months, maybe a couple of years, you don’t know the time length, but most likely the body
00:17:14:17 – 00:17:27:01
Nathan Crane
would have removed all those dead cells itself. That tumor would have completely dissolved and the body would have taken care of it, and she would have never had to remove her breast. But, you know, that’s that’s the power of fear.
00:17:28:07 – 00:17:45:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
That’s why I call it a breast quake. And of what I think of a breast quake is the awakening into your own inner wisdom and being willing to listen to what is your gut. And I, as a therapist, I work with this all the time, and I have exercises in this book about how to strengthen like a muscle.
00:17:45:24 – 00:18:05:10
Dr. Toni Galardi
Your intuition to hear, to listen to your own guidance. For example, when they did the biopsy, she wanted to immediately do an MRI. And I asked, Can we wait on this? And it was a slow growing tumor. You know, that’s another thing to ask. That question is, do I have time? And that’s what I asked her. Do I have time?
00:18:05:20 – 00:18:24:07
Dr. Toni Galardi
People don’t ask that kind of question. They hear cancer and they go passive. Just tell me what to do, doc. Just tell me what to do. And so I said, I have time. I said, okay, I would rather wait on the MRI and do my thing and in three months we can do the MRI. I said, I’ll agree to that if we can.
00:18:24:07 – 00:18:44:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
If we can, if you give me three months. So in that three month period of time, it’s when I did certain things, you know, that I did all on my own. By the way, I was not managed by a physician of any kind, and I found a center that does IVs. There’s something called the G6 PD, which is a lab test.
00:18:45:09 – 00:19:03:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
If you do not have this kind of rare blood disorder, then they can do high dose vitamin C IVs with you, you know, and any time I start feeling rundown, I go and I just go over there and I get another 50 grams of vitamin C and I it because it supports your adrenals in a big way besides cancer, you know.
00:19:03:24 – 00:19:30:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
So three months pass. I do do the MRI and with that black diving, you know, shot into my body. But and it showed, according to the MRI, a 70% reduction. What she said to me was when she called to tell me the results, she said, your tumor is at 500 millimeters. And I said, 500 millimeters. That’s a 70% reduction.
00:19:30:21 – 00:19:48:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, she said, well, we don’t have an MRI to contrast it with. And I said, Well, what do you mean? I said, So are you telling me that I need to then have another MRI in six months? And she said no and a mammogram will be sufficient. And I just like, okay, I don’t understand how any of this works.
00:19:49:08 – 00:20:06:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I had to wait, but I knew it was gone. I could feel it with cause I could feel it, you know? And it was gone within three months of the biopsy. And but I had to wait for that half a centimeter, you know, that was left to clear the body and it did.
00:20:06:06 – 00:20:11:23
Nathan Crane
Did you. Sorry. Your first with the biopsy. Did you say you had an ultrasound to or how did they distinguish the size.
00:20:11:23 – 00:20:16:05
Dr. Toni Galardi
Of a mammogram? So three months prior to that, I had a mammogram.
00:20:16:05 – 00:20:20:15
Nathan Crane
Oh, you did have a mammogram? An ultrasound. Okay. So so they determined the size at that point.
00:20:21:13 – 00:20:41:07
Dr. Toni Galardi
They in three months prior. So in May, this was in August when the biopsy was done. In May is when I woke up and I felt the lump in my in my breast. So I told my doctor and we did the mammogram and ultrasound and the radiologist told me, because of the size of it, it was little more than two centimeters by two centimeters.
00:20:41:07 – 00:21:01:19
Dr. Toni Galardi
She thought it was a stage two. It looked invasive. And I just decided I was going to wait on the biopsy and do a ten pass. So I went to California and visited friends and did Ozone. So I did ozone therapy, five, five treatments of ozone therapy and continue doing coffee enemas and some other things that I talk about in the book.
00:21:02:05 – 00:21:03:11
Nathan Crane
And did they?
00:21:03:11 – 00:21:03:21
Dr. Toni Galardi
I did.
00:21:03:23 – 00:21:14:04
Nathan Crane
You did the ozone where they ran it through a put it into your blood into a blood machine, then put the blood back into your veins. Yeah.
00:21:15:04 – 00:21:35:05
Dr. Toni Galardi
So and they do that ten times. Yeah. They can do five passes and they can do ten passes. You know Dr. Liebowitz, who was the doctor who supervised that, you know, those treatments, told me that he had a patient come to see him who had metastatic, metastatic breast cancer. They could do nothing for her. They basically said it was in her.
00:21:35:10 – 00:21:56:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
She it started in her breast and went to her pelvis in her bones, supposedly. And he so they told her there’s nothing really they could give her maybe three months, you know, with chemo. And so she said she had nothing to lose. So she went to him and she could only afford to do five passes. So they did five passes twice a week for 16 weeks.
00:21:57:02 – 00:22:16:01
Dr. Toni Galardi
And at the end of 16 weeks, according to Dr. Liebowitz, it was gone. It was gone completely, completely. The body completely healed. So again, ozone is another form of oxygen, right? It’s just more expensive. It’s more expensive than vitamin C. IVs are, you know, like five X more expensive, you know. So it was.
00:22:16:10 – 00:22:17:24
Nathan Crane
Often what you do in coffee enemas.
00:22:18:20 – 00:22:43:05
Dr. Toni Galardi
Which twice a week. So so I want to make a point about that. I believe and because I address my book is oriented toward women who have stage 0 to 2, not advanced breast cancer. If I had had metastatic breast cancer, I would have been supervised. I would have gone to a holistic doctor or clinic, but it was covered and there was no naturopathy doctors taking the patients.
00:22:43:05 – 00:23:09:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I had to do my own research, you know. So but the thing that that I learned was that I didn’t have to do things as rigid as even the alternative. People will say, absolutely no sugar. Okay. Well, I went I was never I hadn’t been on refined sugar for a long time anyway. But I still gave myself, you know, raw cocoa chocolate made with coconut sugar, you know, I, you know, so gave myself fruit.
00:23:10:07 – 00:23:38:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
I wanted to do things because I was my own guinea pig to see would this work so that other people would stay on it because there are women who won’t stay on this program. Nathan You tell them, like some of the doctors that I know you’ve interviewed have said you have to do live food for a year. You know, well, if you’re metastatic, I would agree with that, you know, but if you’re in early stage breast cancer, you can allow yourself to have some joy so that you’ll keep doing the program.
00:23:38:02 – 00:23:39:03
Nathan Crane
You have a lot more time.
00:23:39:18 – 00:23:57:14
Nathan Crane
You have a lot more time. Yeah. And that’s that’s one of the big things that, you know, you were you were well-educated, well informed going into your oncologist, into your doctor and saying, hey, look, I I’m going to try some things for a few months and we’ll see what happens, you know, and then and then I’ll come back and we’ll check up on this.
00:23:57:14 – 00:24:20:02
Nathan Crane
I think that’s what I would do, too. I mean, that’s I think that’s really smart, especially if you’re stage one, stage two. I mean, you know, at later stages, there’s still there’s still more time than you often think there is now. Certain cases, you know, I mean, there are certain cases where, like an immediate surgery could save your life.
00:24:20:10 – 00:24:42:08
Nathan Crane
Hey, go for it, right? I mean, I’m not here to tell anybody what to do and what not to do. It’s like but if I were in the situation and yeah, you know, you’ve got a tumor blocking your colon and if we don’t get this out of you in the next week, like, you’re going to back up and die, like, okay, you know, let’s get it out, you know, and then focus on everything else or, you know, you’ve got, you know, a tumor on your brain stem is pushing up.
00:24:42:08 – 00:25:11:23
Nathan Crane
And, you know, there’s certain cases where it’s like, hey, I would do surgery, get that thing out of me. Western medicine can be great for surgery, but I think way more often than not, people are rushed into again out of fear from their oncologists into treatments. They know nothing about the long term effects of these treatments, the safety of these treatments, the damages of these treatments, and end up making decisions that, you know, sometimes they feel terrible about.
00:25:11:23 – 00:25:33:09
Nathan Crane
And I know this because we talk to them, because they come to us, because they get recurrence. So, you know, they do the surgery, chemotherapy, radiation. Right. And then the cancer comes back three years later. And it’s like, Doctor, I thought you healed me. What’s going on here? And so then they find us because they research and go, Hey, there’s something else going on here that’s causing the cancer.
00:25:33:09 – 00:25:53:01
Nathan Crane
What’s once you ask that question, what’s causing the cancer? And then you’ll usually find out material. You know, you’ll find concrete cancer, you’ll find my books, you’ll find our docu series, documentaries, all that stuff. Because we look at the cause, the root cause, and we know what the causes of cancer are. You know, your oncologist doesn’t know because they’re not trained on that, because they’re trained on pharmacology and they’re trained on surgery and radiation.
00:25:53:09 – 00:26:20:19
Nathan Crane
They’re trained on symptom management and attacking the disease like the disease is is an enemy against you. And it’s not the disease as a result of an exact set of circumstances that our bodies have been introduced to through the internal and external environment for a long period of time. Right. And so most cases, long period times sometimes a short period of time like, you know, heavy stresses for three months, six months, a year.
00:26:20:19 – 00:26:55:00
Nathan Crane
I mean, that’s kind of a short period of time, but it can, boom, make a cancer grow rapidly. So when you start looking at the causes, what causes? Then you can start to think through, okay, what can I do about this? And addresses that. The root cause. And there’s so many, you know, they call them spontaneous healings. They’re actually I had Dr. Bernie SIEGEL, I don’t know if you know him, but we’re honoring him with a lifetime achievement award at our Integrative Cancer Conference or bill jansing cancer conference coming up is turning 92 on Saturday of our conference October 14th.
00:26:55:22 – 00:27:37:14
Nathan Crane
And he he’s such an amazing man, by the way. He’s like he’s he’s such a just a brilliant, funny, incredible man. But I forgot what I was going to say about him specifically. I like 100 thoughts coming at same time that I want to share. But but, you know, Bernie has helped his so many of his patients heal from, quote, unquote, incurable stages of cancer, oftentimes by helping them rethink and re examine their life and understand, you know, what’s at the root of all this stress and problems in their life.
00:27:37:14 – 00:27:53:05
Nathan Crane
And they get to that root and then they go home and start doing something that brings them passion and meaning and purpose. And then 14 years later, they walk into his office and he goes, You’re supposed to be dead. You know, 14 years ago, what happened here? They’re like, Well, I went home, I started gardening and landscaping and doing things I enjoyed.
00:27:53:05 – 00:28:17:20
Nathan Crane
I just forgot to die, you know? And it’s those kinds of stories that are just, like, incredibly inspiring. Obviously, there’s no guarantees with cancer. But in your case, as you discovered, you know, researching and taking action and following your intuition and getting guidance, you know, being smart about it, doing it safely, all that kind of stuff. You know, you have so much more time in a lot of cases than you’re led to believe that you do.
00:28:19:12 – 00:28:43:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
What I wanted in this book was also prevent to be focused on prevention because I have a passion for prevention. My first two books were about helping people figure out when it’s time to lead the life that they were in before they hit the wall. And because so many people wait until catastrophic crisis, whether it’s a health crisis or it’s a job crisis, before they before they do anything.
00:28:43:12 – 00:29:15:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
And so life quake in my first two books was examining how do you find your purpose. So in this book it was important to look at root cause. What’s the root cause emotionally? What’s the root cause environmentally? What’s driving this? One of the things that I discovered by, you know, some of the women wonderful doctor Jen Simmons, who wrote the foreword to my book, breast cancer surgeon, who talks about in the in the foreword that this is a symptom, that breast cancer is a symptom of an environmental problem going on in your life.
00:29:15:09 – 00:29:42:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
And that what is zero estrogenic is the cause, not the Astrid dial in a woman’s body. And women have been led to believe that when they have an estrogen positive tumor, that it means it’s because they have too much estrogen. So what do they give you? Tamoxifen, aromatase inhibitors, pharmaceutical aromatase and aromatase inhibitors, instead of things like din and broccoli sprouts and things of that nature that, you know, I now grow.
00:29:43:08 – 00:29:45:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I took a look at organics.
00:29:45:12 – 00:29:46:11
Nathan Crane
Soy Yeah.
00:29:47:14 – 00:30:12:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yeah. It’s so important to look at, you know, Bernie, I mentioned Bernie in this book as well. I one of the things I loved about his book also was that he said he really helps a patient get in touch with what can they get behind because it’s placebo. So I do the same thing as as a as a therapy, as a psychotherapist and as a coach is what can this person get behind?
00:30:12:15 – 00:30:51:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
That’s going to be the best healing for them. So I say it several times in the book. I don’t I don’t condemn anybody who chooses to have a lumpectomy or a mastectomy or whatever it is. If that’s something they can totally, 100% get behind and believe, this will help them heal. My concern is that for stage zero and this is happening as a trend in traditional medicine, they are telling women, breast cancer surgeons are telling women that if you have a mastectomy and of course, people want to have a bilateral mastectomy so that they both look, you know, the same both breasts look the same if only one breast has dysplasia.
00:30:51:15 – 00:31:16:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
And what stage zero is is dysplasia. It’s not an invasive cancer. It’s a it’s a pre-cancer. It’s condition mostly derived from inflammation, you know, an imbalance in the body and all you you know, for the most part, if you have stage zero breast cancer, if you detox your liver, you detox your colon, that’s going to go away. If you look at your life and you see what I’m doing for a living.
00:31:17:10 – 00:31:44:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
Am I passionate about what I’m doing this? Am I in a good relationship? One of the I have a whole chapter on toxic marriage, and there’s data, clinical data that shows women in their forties. And by the way, in 2022, it jumped doubled the number of younger women getting breast cancer. Now, it was 10 to 13% of breast cancer diagnoses were women over 50.
00:31:44:19 – 00:31:52:01
Dr. Toni Galardi
Now it’s getting younger and younger, and it has literally it doubled in one year, you know, well, you know, 20, 25%.
00:31:52:12 – 00:32:16:11
Nathan Crane
It’s a president is the number one killer of cancer in women as well. And it’s the number one cancer in women. And it’s it’s very sad. It’s very sad and troubling and scary, you know, for a woman, for anybody to be told you have cancer, you know, and and then rushed into, like I said, treatments you might not know anything about.
00:32:16:11 – 00:32:36:03
Nathan Crane
And so I love what you’re doing, which is, you know, empowering and educating women and saying, hey, especially stage one, stage two and prevention and saying, hey, here’s what you need to know. Here’s some options. Here’s some things to think about. You know, that way when you have a diagnosis, you can take a few steps back and do some research and then make an educated decision.
00:32:36:03 – 00:32:58:00
Nathan Crane
I mean, that’s that’s all I that’s all I wanted. That’s all I wanted. Since I’ve started this work with cancer specifically well over a decade ago, because my grandfather passed from what I believe were the treatments that he was receiving. And chemotherapy, radiation, I believe, killed him, not the cancer. And I have a lot of evidence to support that, but personal, you know, anecdotal evidence to support that.
00:32:58:00 – 00:33:16:02
Nathan Crane
And and I met a lot of people along the way who have said exactly the same thing. And so all I want to do is learn about what can we actually do to prevent cancer and to help our bodies fight cancer naturally. And then and then know our options. If you’re ever diagnosed, what other options do you have?
00:33:16:02 – 00:33:42:07
Nathan Crane
Is that the only option? Well, no, that’s not the only option. There are a lot of options, but I want to read it. We’re talking about Bernie Segal. I, I, I was doing a recording with him yesterday and asked him, you know, five or 10 minutes for his acceptance speech, for the conference, for his lifetime achievement award. And, you know, with Bernie, it’s it’s like he’s going to tell stories for hours and hours.
00:33:42:07 – 00:34:07:02
Nathan Crane
And I love his stories and I love and I’m just sitting there like, you know, it’s late in the evening. I’m I’m late for, you know, seeing my kids after school, going to the gym, eating. I’m hungry, I’m tired. It’s like 530, 6:00. I had a long day and then I’ve got Bernie on here talking for like, you know, supposed to be five or 10 minutes and it’s like an hour later and I’m like, All right, Bernie, we got to wrap up now.
00:34:07:02 – 00:34:33:19
Nathan Crane
And he’s like, okay, I got I got a good story for wrap up. He tells oh, you know what? One more thing to help make the point and oh, one more story. I got to share it. You know, it’s it’s like I’m sitting there and I’m actually reveling in it and and really trying to, like, push aside the hunger and the urgency to leave and all that human ego stuff and just like be present with this incredibly brilliant, wise, loving man and like, you know, receive this wisdom that he’s sharing.
00:34:34:04 – 00:34:50:23
Nathan Crane
And so, you know, it was honestly a struggle and at the same time really rewarding. And I’m glad I did and didn’t, you know, cut him off early. So we have like almost an hour of just like gold that he shared. But now I figure out how to, like, cut 5 minutes out of that for his acceptance speech.
00:34:51:08 – 00:35:24:22
Nathan Crane
But anyway, he emailed me afterwards and he says, Remember to tell people to draw and talk to themselves and learn about who they really are and their family too, and helps you as parents very much. Peace be with you, Bernie is a lot of his work is you know you read his book you know he would have going back to hey if someone wants to choose chemotherapy, radiation, etc., what he would do is have them first draw themselves, hey, draw yourself in in the room, having surgery, draw a picture, paint a picture of yourself.
00:35:24:22 – 00:35:44:09
Nathan Crane
It doesn’t matter if you’re an artist, doesn’t matter. Just draw something of yourself in the room receiving the treatment. And if he ever saw anything from that drawing from that person that had like he would see drawings that like showed them was like Xs on their eyes or, you know, like symbols of death and things like that. He said, Don’t do the treatment.
00:35:44:17 – 00:36:01:01
Nathan Crane
Don’t do the treatment until you get your mind around that. This treatment is going to be good for you. And then if you saw someone there with family and hugging and like he drew you know, someone drew themselves looking happy and healthy, he said, hey, keep that’s great. Keep this in your mind that the treatment is going to help you.
00:36:01:12 – 00:36:21:15
Nathan Crane
And he would encourage them to draw, actually draw and paint pictures of themselves and think about and visualize themselves receiving the treatment and being benefited from it and being healed from it. You know, you’re talking about placebo. This is what he did with his patients. And he had the best patient. He had the best outcomes for his patients out of anybody in his hospital.
00:36:21:15 – 00:36:43:23
Nathan Crane
And so a lot of the nurses wanted to work with him because he always had these crazy, incredible results with patients where some patients, they wouldn’t lose their hair. And he showed his nurses their paintings where they drew after treatment. You know, they drew hair on themselves and, you know, visualize themselves having energy and feeling good and not getting sick from the treatment.
00:36:43:23 – 00:37:08:15
Nathan Crane
And so there is 100% something to be said about, hey, whatever treatment you’re going into, make sure you feel good about it. Make sure you visualize yourself receiving benefit from it, make sure you go into it, you know, feeling strong and healthy and seeing yourself that way, because we know the power of the mind and its impact on the physiology and the outcome of the actions that we take for our own health.
00:37:09:10 – 00:37:22:00
Nathan Crane
And so he’s you know, Bernie is just a true legend. And he emailed me that last night. So I had to make sure to talk about it since we were talking about him.
00:37:22:00 – 00:37:51:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
We’re absolutely. So one of the things when I was talking about stage zero, there is a been a trend that breast cancer surgeons are telling patients that if they have this bilateral mastectomy, they don’t have to do radiation. And this is how what is talking women into it? You know, and it’s unfortunate. One of the things that I talk about in this book that’s a little of a very unconventional is medical astrology.
00:37:51:03 – 00:38:13:21
Dr. Toni Galardi
And medical astrology was taught in medical school at one time, you know, before we moved into the Cartesian age, which was all about the linear, you know, what you see is what you believe instead of what you believe is what you will manifest, right that we are now seeing and through quantum physics. But at one time, they took they took medical astrology out of medical schools.
00:38:14:06 – 00:38:43:05
Dr. Toni Galardi
And I began studying medical astrology in my thirties and then became a consultant to integrative and functional medicine doctors who had hard to teach. They couldn’t figure out a case. So I you know, they consulted with me and there were certain things that I could see on a chart. And one of the things that I studied was I looked at the charts of 30 celebrities and 30 women, and then four or celebrity men who had had breast cancer.
00:38:43:05 – 00:38:59:01
Dr. Toni Galardi
Because the numbers are going up in men as well. You may know that breast cancer, you know, although it’s still only a little less than 2% of breast cancer diagnoses, the numbers are jumping in, men being diagnosed.
00:38:59:01 – 00:39:07:02
Nathan Crane
So it’s it’s it’s about it’s in the thousands, I think is still very low. But it’s as you said, it is growing. Yeah, year after year.
00:39:07:20 – 00:39:37:14
Dr. Toni Galardi
It’s about 3000 a year of men who are diagnosed and 520 men died of breast cancer last year. So in the United States. But anyway so I wanted to see if there was a pattern. You know, could I was there a repetitive pattern in the charts of celebrities? And I thought given all the money they have, probably they must have, because I was looking for answers at the time, but they must have gone ballistic, you know, because they had the money to do this kind of thing.
00:39:37:22 – 00:39:57:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
None of the women that at least they weren’t admitting it on, you know, on record had done any kind of other than Suzanne Summers after she had, you know, a lumpectomy and radiation. And they gave her a hard time. The fact that she didn’t do chemo at that time and that she did mistletoe therapy, they gave her a hard time about that, you know.
00:39:57:12 – 00:40:21:11
Dr. Toni Galardi
So what I saw was a pattern there was a pattern and it was emotional in nature that there was a pattern of a certain kind of type of person who is more emotional and who has a lot of water in their. And and that kept repeating over and over again, you know, except for Sheryl Crow, she was the only only chart that I looked at that did not have water on the chart, but she was under a transit from the plant.
00:40:21:11 – 00:40:47:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
The rules water, which is Neptune. So there is that’s where it led me to start looking at the emotional piece. I thought, okay, if this is repeating over and over again in the charts of celebrity women and I have a metric, a water sign, you know, then is it possible that those who hold who process emotions differently, who who take on who are empaths, for example, people who are very empathic.
00:40:47:08 – 00:41:06:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
And so I read an interview actually with Sheryl Crow, even though she’s a fire air person, she’s an Aquarian. She said one thing she had to look at was overextending herself that she had this tendency to take on everybody else’s problems and was helping this person, helping that person, giving money here, giving money there, and that she had to learn to have better boundaries.
00:41:07:06 – 00:41:20:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
And this is one of the the the lessons of breast cancer, because I see that pattern in breast cancer, you know, women who are survivors, breast cancer thrivers is that they’ve had to look at sending better boundaries, you know, with others.
00:41:21:12 – 00:41:27:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Yeah, that’s huge. Have you researched German new medicine at all?
00:41:29:15 – 00:41:36:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
Well, there’s I mean, there’s a lot of German I mean, there’s a lot that comes out of Germany. There’s incredible machines. You know.
00:41:36:18 – 00:42:27:18
Nathan Crane
This is this is specific. KLEE It’s coined German new medicine. It was founded by Dr. Reich. HAMMER Decades ago. Are you familiar with that? So his his research, he took thousands of patients over his career and a brilliant doctor. I mean, incredibly brilliant early on, he started noticing a pattern among cancer patients and emotional trauma. And when he would dig into their charts in life and ask questions, and he started recognizing, hey, every single cancer patient, basically every single cancer patient that he was working with, whether it’s breast cancers, colon cancers, brain cancer didn’t really matter, had at some point previously a traumatic experience in their life.
00:42:28:15 – 00:42:57:03
Nathan Crane
And he started looking at he had a theory and he was able to verify it that that trauma actually caused a lesion on a specific part of the brain associated with that part of the body. And he was able to to verify this through MRIs and then he started, you know, really going deep into the science behind the connections in which part of the brain is that which part of the body is associate and the organ.
00:42:57:08 – 00:43:28:10
Nathan Crane
And he would find matching lesions on the brain and the organ that are associated with each other. And that particular trauma and started teaching this and sharing with others and actually ended up taking it to a really prominent school of medicine. And they told him, I mean, he had so much evidence of this and MRI’s and proof and case studies and reversed he has he claims to have a 90% cancer reversal rate from thousands of patients that he worked with over the years.
00:43:28:23 – 00:43:55:07
Nathan Crane
And they always and he took it to this university and gave them all the all the proof, all the data. And this was documented. I can’t remember who said it from that university was said. Dr. Hammer is 100% correct with his findings. But we we can never implement them here because it’s it’s in I’m not quoting this word for word, but it’s very similar.
00:43:55:07 – 00:44:16:05
Nathan Crane
It goes so much against what our conventional thinking is about cancer, about the body and disease that it just we just can’t do it. And that’s basically where it’s been left. And now German new medicine. Anyone can go out and learn about this yourself. You can buy books on it. There’s free videos all over online. It’s it’s a it’s a free thing accessible to everybody.
00:44:16:05 – 00:44:45:10
Nathan Crane
It’s really in-depth and very complex. But there’s a simple way to understand it. And they look at the cancer as a more of a healing result from that trauma. And when you finished your healing phase, when you finish your healing that trauma, that tumor finishes itself in your body, basically, you know, dissolve that tumor and you move on.
00:44:45:10 – 00:45:14:13
Nathan Crane
You can heal from it. But most people reactivate the trauma through the fear, through triggers, through other situations, through, you know, the prognosis and all the other things that the body actually can never heal, because then you’re in that sympathetic nervous system state for so long. So anyway, German new medicine, it’s really profound. But you were talking about in your own case, you recognized, hey, you were going through this stressful time and you had this kind of, you know, almost traumatic type experiences and then, boom, you had breast cancer.
00:45:14:13 – 00:45:17:17
Nathan Crane
I know so many people who had the same story. It’s incredible.
00:45:18:15 – 00:45:48:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
It’s also important to look at early childhood trauma. You know that. Yes, there is a predictor around trauma and the previous five years before a tumor shows up, no question about that. You know, loss losses often will if you don’t process them, if you don’t do somatic work. And so that’s why in this book, because I’m a psychotherapist in a shamanic practitioner, I teach people how to clear that on a daily basis.
00:45:48:24 – 00:46:12:21
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, we we take a shower every day, right? Twice a day sometimes. Right. We do all this stuff to clean. We clean our teeth. We do that ritual twice a day, cleansing your psychic body at end of the day is so important because disease starts in the bodies that are around the physical body. You know, we talk about chakras that are in the body.
00:46:12:21 – 00:46:32:10
Dr. Toni Galardi
Well, trauma starts there. It starts in their body. So if at the end of the day, you go back through and I have this exercise scanning the day and you look at any time during the day where there was something that hit your system in a shocking kind of way or was stressful to clear it. And I, you know, teach how to do that.
00:46:32:10 – 00:46:58:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, how to clear it out of your body so that you reset every day. You’re rebalancing your nervous system, taking it into parasympathetic before you go into sleep every single day. And anyone who’s had childhood trauma has that PTSD waiting to happen the minute something happens and their adult life. So if we don’t learn how to do this literally as a practice in a ritual, then it collects in it becomes a toxin.
00:46:59:05 – 00:47:02:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, emotions become toxins in the body.
00:47:03:13 – 00:47:18:03
Nathan Crane
So what what were some of the initial once you recognize did you recognize right away that like, hey, this is primarily emotional related your breast cancer, was that like a thought that you had early on?
00:47:18:08 – 00:47:30:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
Well, because it was in the shape of a heart and. It was on it was over the heart and in the left breast, which I know is, you know, the feminine side of the body, that immediately I thought, this is emotional.
00:47:30:23 – 00:47:37:09
Nathan Crane
And the cracked and the cracked heart that I think your friend said. Right. And you had just broken up a five year relationship. I think you said.
00:47:38:22 – 00:47:59:07
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yeah, right. Yeah. So and she said clinically, you know, the surgeon said, wow, that was two tumors, you know, that merged into one. And so I thought at the moment my thought was my parents deaths, they died six or just after I moved here and then COVID hit. So I had no part to go into. I was, you know, writing my second book.
00:47:59:13 – 00:48:33:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
I, I thought, Oh, I’ll have time to go out and meet people. And Asheville didn’t happen because we went down. Everything went down, right? And so I, you know, was sequestered. I was alone and lonely and and grieving and then literally my father’s death. And then six months later, my mother died. So there was this loss that I and I didn’t have to ask or I didn’t think I had time to really dig deep into that, to that grief and do a grief real appropriate grief work.
00:48:33:06 – 00:48:54:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
Because I was trying to get a book out. And it’s what was interesting is what happened was I did Dr. Sue Motor show, she was on a guy network. I did guy a couple of times. And then we did this interview at the end of January 2020. Okay. And in that interview, I was and I had breast cancer at the time, didn’t know it.
00:48:54:21 – 00:49:20:01
Dr. Toni Galardi
And I said my my in the in the interview, my prediction is part of the transformation on the planet that’s going to take us into more fifth dimension. Reality is the transformation that’s going to come through confronting cancer and addiction. And at three months later is when the interview the interview came broadcast April of 2020, when the world was in a global life quake.
00:49:20:12 – 00:49:38:07
Dr. Toni Galardi
Okay. So that I mean, the response I had, I didn’t expect this. I didn’t think many people would even watch the interview. You know, none of my friends had Gaia. So I think but it goes in 19 countries around the world. And so I started getting hundreds of people reaching out to me who were in their own life.
00:49:38:07 – 00:50:02:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
Quake. Right. And so but my context is look at any addictions you have as an opportunity and anyone in recovery, you know, knows this is an opportunity for for transformation. Same thing with the health crisis. Opportunity for transformation. So I saw that as, okay, I can if I can heal this emotionally and I sound like I didn’t do a physical detox because I did.
00:50:02:16 – 00:50:11:14
Dr. Toni Galardi
But it was important to not just do a physical detox, but to look at root cause on an emotional plane and do that processing that I had not done.
00:50:12:07 – 00:50:25:02
Nathan Crane
And for you, what was the what was your processing like? What what therapies did you use? Did you mostly do the things yourself? Did you see others? Did you what were some of the what were some of the therapies you think really helped you through that?
00:50:25:24 – 00:50:54:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
Okay. So Qigong is really helpful. You know, for somebody who cannot afford to go and see a therapist such as myself, she’s getting a qigong practice because that helps with energy healing and on what’s that? What was Greg Braden’s show called Missing Links on Gaia? He talked about the story of these Qigong masters, forged qigong. Do you know that story of standing up?
00:50:54:17 – 00:51:30:06
Nathan Crane
So I trained for three and I worked really closely with a master Qigong teacher, Master Ming Dongyu, who trained at that medicine list hospital in China and became a, you know, went through the master training program there under Grand Master Peng Ming from that hospital where Greg Braden shared the video of the basically the tumor, you know, the energy healing of the US let you share the story, but yeah, yeah it’s small world so so Ming Tong so I worked with him really closely and which is retreats and trained with him very closely for three or four years.
00:51:30:06 – 00:51:50:04
Nathan Crane
No longer than that, five or six years in Santa Fe, New Mexico. He has a retreat center there, and I’ve helped him produce master classes in his qigong master classes. And Qigong trainings are available at one of my Web sites at Healing Life dot net. So I practice qigong every morning. So I’m very steeped in the in the qigong world, very much.
00:51:50:04 – 00:52:11:11
Nathan Crane
I love it so much. I think it’s I think it’s the thing that people need today. Like yoga came to the West 100 years ago when, you know, Paramahansa Yogananda came in and yoga kind of exploded. I think qigong is at the precipice of exploding to that level where everybody is going to learn about it and benefit from it because it’s so powerful.
00:52:12:15 – 00:52:42:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yeah, the story that Greg tell tells is this woman had this huge tumor on her kidney. And I mean, it’s huge. And these so you see it on the CAT scan, you actually see the tumor on the CAT scan. And for qigong masters are encircling her and it took them 4 minutes. You see it going down. And what they’re saying in Tibetan was Waza Waza already healed, already healed in, in and in this chanting.
00:52:43:10 – 00:53:11:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
So that’s part of healing, right, is to see yourself as already healed. So I extracted from that, you know how important it was for me. You asked me, what did I do? Well, I had tools because I’m a, you know, a long time shamanic teacher. So I had tools that I could use on myself. But for those who can’t afford to go to someone like me, then doing a Qigong class, you know, I worked the Qigong Master in California name is Daniela Carraro.
00:53:12:09 – 00:53:26:22
Dr. Toni Galardi
And you can do zoom healings where someone you know, you don’t need to be in the same space. With that, I also created a power of a group which is free. You just have to pull
00:53:34:23 – 00:53:59:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I put a power of eight groups together. And on Zoom once a week, eight people came together. I actually, you know, asked 14 people so that there would be enough people each week. And so eight people always showed up and all they did was you. No, no. This doesn’t require you to be a Qigong master, doesn’t require you to have any kind of energy healing tools.
00:53:59:13 – 00:54:22:13
Dr. Toni Gallardi
That was what her study was so amazing was the all the people who participated. It had no, you know, energy, mastery techniques. They just all they were instructed was was to send energy of radiant love to this person who was the, you know, a receiver. And for 10 minutes, that’s it for 10 minutes. So I did that for 12 weeks.
00:54:22:13 – 00:54:49:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
I talk about that in the book because that was talk about humbling for somebody who I was identified myself as being the healer, the person who puts the cape on that rod rescues the day is now suddenly having to ask people to come in and say, Oh, the meltdown that my ego had to go through, I sobbed the first two sessions we did this so powerful and people can do that for free.
00:54:50:02 – 00:55:07:20
Dr. Toni Galardi
You just have to bring together people who are willing to hold you as already healed, you know, and do that for 10 minutes online. You know, I think Zoom is a great way. It’s such a great tool, you know, and anybody can get that free of charge, right? You can do 10 minutes, you know, online and get it free.
00:55:08:04 – 00:55:31:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
So that’s what I wanted to put in the book were things that people could do cost effectively, you know, for those and again, for stage zero one or two who cannot afford an alternative medicine doctor or, you know, where we would cost for traditional treatment if they have a high deductible, you know, and that there are things you can do yourself, you know, to heal yourself.
00:55:31:21 – 00:55:34:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
So that was what I was passionate about.
00:55:35:01 – 00:55:58:21
Nathan Crane
That’s beautiful. And yeah, there are. So I think the power of group healing in qigong is it’s talked about as the chief field. The field of healing energy that we create as qigong practitioners all over the world. And as you practice and visualize, it becomes a meditation off in a moving meditation and you connect to that key field.
00:55:58:24 – 00:56:32:08
Nathan Crane
I actually interviewed Ming Tong on the podcast recently and we talked a lot about that. She filled in the power of the G field and is basically quantum science is understanding why and how this works now, but connecting to a group of other people, sharing an intention and an energy towards something that’s already healed in the word that that he uses, that I chant every morning and my Jegan practices how long and how law in Chinese means all is well and getting better.
00:56:32:20 – 00:57:05:24
Nathan Crane
And so when you chant it towards, you know, you’re sending healing energy and visualization to something in your body or your life or somebody else. You’re chanting how little love in your visualizing that area already healed. Like we saw. Meaning, you know, it’s already healed. All is well and getting better all it’s already well and it’s getting better and you can use that for your relation ships, for your finances, for your health.
00:57:05:24 – 00:57:36:24
Nathan Crane
I mean, if nothing else, you know, a powerful way to program your mind towards goodness instead of, you know, fear and darkness. But I love it. Yeah, I actually did a documentary. It’s on YouTube, I’m free. It’s with Otis Wallen, who had cancer. And and he was, you know, he would put himself in a heated bathtub steaming. And then just, you know, what I.
00:57:36:24 – 00:57:39:11
Nathan Crane
Saw was saw was saw.
00:57:39:15 – 00:57:56:15
Nathan Crane
O light and chanting and basically shrunk that tumor all the way down to where there was just like a little bit left. And then he did a cryo, basically froze it off. They were able to do a CRI blast station, think it’s called, they freeze a little bit of the tumor that was left and then it was gone.
00:57:56:17 – 00:58:17:20
Nathan Crane
It was like he was healed from it. But yeah, I went out to his house and interviewed him and his wife and his daughter. And but he also learned, you know, practice qigong and helped heal himself of both that and I believe a lesion on his liver. He had a couple of other things going on and totally heal and some it’s powerful stuff.
00:58:17:20 – 00:58:44:07
Nathan Crane
I mean, what you’re talking about is powerful stuff and it’s awesome too. So talk about coincidences, right? If you believe in coincidences as coincide, as synchronicities, I literally was and I’ve seen that video half dozen times of Greg Braden showing the practice she practice qigong practitioners literally dissolving the tumor on a CAT scan. I’ve seen it multiple times over the years.
00:58:44:21 – 00:59:07:06
Nathan Crane
Somehow I was watching it again yesterday, so I hadn’t seen that video in three or four years and I don’t even know how I got to it yesterday, but I’m watching the video and I downloaded and saved it because they’ve deleted that from YouTube I think multiple times. So it’s like, I’m going to save this. So I have it in case they delete it again.
00:59:07:17 – 00:59:11:17
Nathan Crane
And then now you bring it up in this interview. You know what? What a very.
00:59:12:00 – 00:59:32:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
Into people can get get Gaia for 999 a month you know his all his interviews you know are on there and you know it just like probably get qigong stuff from you as well but you know, there are classes that you can take and is that there are things you can do yourself. You know, he did it himself, right?
00:59:33:10 – 00:59:57:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
That you don’t have to depend on another person. However, and this is where I come in as a coach, what I have to get to with someone first is whatever is in the way of you taking full responsibility for your health. You can tell someone, you can give them all of the resource. I had a woman come to me who had heard about what I had done with myself and was in corporate America.
00:59:57:18 – 01:00:24:11
Dr. Toni Galardi
And and I told her when we saw when we did the coaching session, it was clear to me she was in burn out, hated her job, and she said, I’m just going to go do the lumpectomy. I know that you you were able to cure yourself, but she said, I’m just going to go do the lumpectomy. So if someone isn’t willing to take a deep dove into what their fear is taking full and total responsibility, there is a threat.
01:00:24:12 – 01:00:50:13
Dr. Toni Galardi
You can talk about synchronicities. What came through my feet I’m looking for. Mind you, this was weird. I’m looking for a a theta chant, which is six mega hertz, you know that I could listen to because it takes you into theta of them chanting, you know, the vibration of six, six megahertz delta. And in comes this vlog from a breast cancer surgeon in the UK.
01:00:50:13 – 01:01:16:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
And I’m not going to mention her name because I want to be respectful of what she’s doing, who just had her third bout of breast cancer and she did of the mastectomy the first time they radiated it. Then the second time it came back, they did radiation again. And the third time what they are telling her, they just went in and they she they snipped the cancer out and they said they don’t know what to do because they can’t radiate her anymore.
01:01:17:02 – 01:01:48:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
The Tamoxifen didn’t work. So they then they switched her over to a different kind of synthetic aromatase inhibitor, and that is now no longer working. The only thing that they have to give her to knock her estrogen down, which is still that that belief system, that somehow it’s the estrogen in your body is is a kind of a aromatase inhibitor that they reserved for women who are metastatic, you know, and they wanted to hold that back until she was she actually had it where it came back metastatic.
01:01:48:02 – 01:02:11:13
Dr. Toni Galardi
And I just thought this is this is crazy. This is crazy. And she said on camera, women need to know it’s not their fault. You know, it’s not their fault. This this just happened. Some people have it on their in their DNA. Yet we know that only 5 to 10% of women is in is it inherited? Have the gene or whatever that really actually has.
01:02:11:13 – 01:02:32:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
And even with that Bruce Lipton’s work about, you know, what you can do to reverse anything that you’ve inherited anyway. But the point is, is that I’m listening to this and she’s saying it’s not your fault. And I’m just not that mentality of, No, it’s not your fault. I don’t think of it. You don’t want anyone to feel blame about getting breast cancer.
01:02:33:09 – 01:02:49:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
But I did look at taking full responsibility because I knew that’s where I had power, that I wasn’t going to have power if I just gave it over to someone else who just did what they thought was best, what they’re going to get paid to do. A breast cancer surgeon gets paid to do surgery. I don’t fault them.
01:02:49:24 – 01:03:08:22
Dr. Toni Galardi
This is what they were trained to do, but this is what they can give you in their medicine bag. They can give you surgery. That’s the only thing they have. And they’re missing back to give you. Right. So but you you run out of options when you go that route. And she she was running out of options. Now, if with three bouts of breast cancer.
01:03:09:02 – 01:03:37:05
Dr. Toni Galardi
So if she were my patient, I’d be asking questions like, do you like what you’re doing? Surgeons have a higher risk, like 40% higher risk than even regular physicians. And physicians are at risk with breast cancer. That’s what the data shows, you know, so I’d be looking at do I love what I’m doing? You know, do I is my relationships, you know, in order she mentioned something about her husband not being able to show up for the third surgery she went through and how distressing that was.
01:03:37:10 – 01:03:59:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I’d be looking at those emotional pieces like, is everything working in my life or is there something that I haven’t looked at? That’s the etiology or the root cause, you know, that has nothing to do with the physical symptom. So when I’m working with someone, I’m wanting them to look at what is my refusal to take responsibility for my healing?
01:04:00:24 – 01:04:17:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
What’s that about? Not from a judgmental place, but like, let’s be curious about it. Let’s just be open and curious. Like, what part of me just wants somebody to just do that? Do it to me, right? And I don’t have to do anything except recover.
01:04:17:04 – 01:04:40:18
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And that’s I think that’s a that’s part of so many people. And I had someone actually message me this morning about some of my videos on Instagram or something and saying, Oh, you’re, you know, you’re making women feel disempowered because you’re saying the cancer is their fault. And I’m like, How do you interpret that from anything that I said?
01:04:41:01 – 01:05:01:20
Nathan Crane
You know, I read other comments and and women were replying in defense and saying, no, he’s empowering people by saying, look, once we know what the cause of the cancer is or the disease or whatever challenge, we know the cause, and then we can learn the solutions. Now we can become empowered to actually do something about it. If you don’t know what you don’t know, how can you make any changes?
01:05:01:20 – 01:05:24:04
Nathan Crane
No one else is going to fix you, right? And but that’s what we want. It’s like we want someone else to fix us. Hey, I’m broken. Fix me. And that’s not true at all. And you’re not even broken in that sense. It’s like, Hey, we often, unconsciously or subconsciously have been programed to live a certain way to eat a certain way to behave, a certain way to react to situations in a certain way.
01:05:24:15 – 01:05:56:11
Nathan Crane
And the only way we can change that is by becoming aware of how we respond and react to things, and then choosing consciously to change it. Well, you can’t become aware of something if it’s not, you know, pointed out to you and or you’re not questioning. You know, I’ve become so aware of so many of my own faults and traumas and and behaviors and bad habits and addictions over the years, because I was have always been willing to question myself, where is this coming from?
01:05:56:11 – 01:06:15:16
Nathan Crane
What is this about? Why did I just react that way? Why did I just yell at my wife in this situation like or say it that way? You know, and I’ll go out now and I’ll think about it and I’ll ask the questions. And it’s not about judgment. It’s like, Where the hell did that come from? I sit down and think and question Right is basically self psychoanalyzing and it’s like, okay, where’s this?
01:06:15:16 – 01:06:38:00
Nathan Crane
Come off of my childhood. Okay. All right, look, I can forgive myself for that and let’s try and catch it next time ahead of time. You know, let’s work on preventing that and let’s work on healing that. And that’s that is empowering to realize you have the power to turn off those cancer genes. You have the power to turn on your parasympathetic nervous system.
01:06:38:00 – 01:06:58:05
Nathan Crane
You have the power to activate healing within your mind and within your body. Nobody else is going to do it for you, right? We can try to pay everyone to do it for us. You know, we can get a massage. That’s nice, you know, but you’re not can have someone that can massage you 12 hours a day. So maybe once or twice a week, you know, depending on what you can afford, you know, that massage is going to put you in that parasympathetic.
01:06:58:05 – 01:07:16:11
Nathan Crane
That’s nice. But where do you do the rest of the, you know, hundreds of hours like that’s up to you. You know, what do you to do when you’re sitting in the sauna sweating by yourself? You distract yourself with, you know, television on your phone. You’re going to sit in meditation and actually experience the challenge and move through it.
01:07:16:11 – 01:07:43:11
Nathan Crane
That’s what I love about Qigong as well, is it teaches you to move into and accept and embrace the pain and the challenge you’re experiencing, not to run from it, not to fight it, not to hide it, not to deny it, but to actually move into like I have a big knot in my a tweaked my rib a few weeks back and it just, you know, flared back up again.
01:07:43:19 – 01:07:58:23
Nathan Crane
And one of the one of the postures we do is spinal bone marrow, where you twist all around. And right now it’s like a level eight pain and part of it is, you know, moving into it and breathing into it and accepting it instead of going, oh, no, that hurts. I got to stop. And that’s what we do, right?
01:07:58:23 – 01:08:20:20
Nathan Crane
We pain and we flinch and we stop. But but there very often where the pain we need to move into, if it’s emotional pain, if it’s physical pain, actually, the more we move into it and accept it, the more we can actually allow that energy blockage to be released and allow that trauma to heal and allow the physical to heal as well.
01:08:20:20 – 01:08:38:10
Nathan Crane
We know physical therapy, we’re actually going to, you know, massage it and move into it and move through it. And that’s going to heal it faster versus just sitting here doing nothing. Know. And all the evidence shows that as well as, you know, anyone who’s ever experienced it personally. So I love what you’re saying in that regard that what.
01:08:38:11 – 01:09:05:01
Dr. Toni Galardi
One of the questions to people is how much do you value your freedom? You know, because when you take this on for yourself when you take on the emotional trauma that may have preceded you, either unresolved trauma from childhood or things that happened in the last few years, if you take that on and you’re willing to sit with yourself and breathe into that, just keep going into it with the breath.
01:09:05:02 – 01:09:33:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
Keep going into it with the breath. There’s a space that gets made inside. And when you start to take on your own healing through doing your research or reading, you know, like my book or your books or whatever, and you get a plan and I believe in having a plan, a roadmap. That’s why I wrote this as a roadmap that if you allow to say, I can do this because I want freedom.
01:09:34:07 – 01:09:53:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
I want freedom. And that’s what this gives you is more freedom. One of the things when I was speaking with Veronique, Dr. Desalinate, was we were talking about the fact that, you know, she’s had two bouts of breast cancer and she knows that if she were to have it again, she would have more options than the woman who’s had radiation, you know, you name it.
01:09:53:15 – 01:10:20:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, besides mastectomies has, you know, we have more options to detox that it’s only a symptom. Cancer shows up. It’s a symptom. If I could give everyone in in the world one thing, it would be to desensitize them to the word, because one out of two people are going to get cancer in their lifetime. And it doesn’t mean death and it does it you know, it means something is out of whack.
01:10:20:07 – 01:10:30:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
That’s all. I mean, something’s out of whack, especially in early stage. If it’s zero one or two, this can be reversed through taking this on on the emotional, physical and spiritual level.
01:10:32:06 – 01:10:33:02
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I love it.
01:10:33:13 – 01:10:34:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
How free to.
01:10:35:00 – 01:10:54:21
Nathan Crane
Freedom. Yeah. Do you want freedom? Free. I love freedom for me is like everything. I’m like a freedom freak, if you will. Maybe too extremes sometimes. I want to ask you about addiction. So do you have your own personal journey through addiction or what led you to helping people with addiction?
01:10:55:15 – 01:11:17:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yeah, so I talk about it in my book. My father was a gambler and as a as a teenager, I struggled with food addiction and my, you know, and I knew it was in response to what was out of control in my environment. But one of the things I interviewed 100 women for this book, and the question I asked them was what was what were their views?
01:11:17:03 – 01:11:32:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
One of the questions about their breasts as a teenager and it was astounding to me that the women like myself who had big breasts, had as much shame about their breasts as the women who had small breasts. Wow. You know, so this was.
01:11:32:13 – 01:11:33:24
Nathan Crane
A day to think about from.
01:11:33:24 – 01:11:43:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
The get go. There’s this predisposition in this country at least toward disrespect for the brass. You know.
01:11:44:04 – 01:11:49:19
Nathan Crane
Women are saying come from. Where do you think a shame comes from? From having large breasts? Like where does that come from?
01:11:50:10 – 01:12:26:09
Dr. Toni Galardi
Catcalls. When you walk down the street, guys, you know, construction workers or, you know, guys making fun of you at school for your for your big you know what? And so you learn to hide them. You know, you do all kinds of things. There’s a lot of shame that comes with that or thinking that you’re only being asked out for your boobs, you know, because if guys, when they’re looking at you and they’re looking at your chest, you know, while they’re talking to you, so there’s that whole thing that develops a disrespect for breasts, in my opinion, because I also ask questions about what was your mother’s views on her breasts?
01:12:26:09 – 01:12:52:21
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, and again, these were interviews not just with women who had breast cancer, but all kinds of women every age. The only women who did not have issues with their breasts, interestingly enough, at least my in my data were gay women and women who were athletes. I’m interested having small breasts, served them, you know, gay women that, you know, other gay women don’t care, you know, about.
01:12:53:07 – 01:12:53:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
Your breasts are.
01:12:54:10 – 01:13:12:18
Nathan Crane
So sad that we have a culture that, you know, judges, women. And now, I mean, they’re judgments for men to be in this case were specifically talking about women like it’s sad that we have that and I remember in school yeah that there was you know a lot of that and I’m sure I participated in some of it as a as a teenager.
01:13:12:18 – 01:13:35:14
Nathan Crane
And, you know, one way or the other, like how I don’t know, the disheartening that is. And if we could teach our kids, like how to respect each other and each other’s bodies and each other, you know, and not put people through that shame, you know, it’s because then that shame that you deal with as a kid, then you go into your adult life.
01:13:35:14 – 01:13:52:05
Nathan Crane
And I mean, look at these women that you interviewed and men deal with it as well, where you go into your adult life and you’re still holding on to these self shames where you have such a hard time loving yourself and your body. You know, I’ve got a little fat on my belly and it’s like, Oh, I wonder what people think about that.
01:13:52:05 – 01:14:05:10
Nathan Crane
I don’t look great or whatever. And it’s like, you know, we hold on to this even as adults and think about how negatively that’s affecting our life, you know, just in the background, every single day, talking about freedom that completely takes away your freedom.
01:14:06:12 – 01:14:31:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
You mentioned addiction. And so the other addiction that followed me into adulthood was codependency. And going into a program like Al-Anon, you know, really helped it because obviously eldest child and I had no sisters. I had three younger brothers and was my mother’s assistant basically in trying to deal with this, you know, dysfunction going on with my father’s gambling.
01:14:31:21 – 01:14:56:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I learned at a very young age to be a therapist. I was my mother’s counselor at a young age, and this followed me into adulthood. Of course, that became my perception, you know. But there’s an occupational hazard to that which is being too empathetic. And so, again, to come back to that whole thing about if you give too much, you know that codependency is the deeper addiction, quite frankly.
01:14:57:01 – 01:15:12:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
So a lot of women will say, well, I don’t have I’m not addicted to alcohol or food or yeah, but look at, you know, where your boundaries are and how do you take care of yourself first before other people, because that in and of itself is an addiction.
01:15:13:14 – 01:15:22:05
Nathan Crane
So for you, codependency, like how did that show up in a negative way for you?
01:15:22:05 – 01:15:43:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
I still deal with it. You know, I was I was working, went out to dinner with a friend and at the end of she’s a massage therapist. And at the end of the dinner, she said she talked the whole time and she said, thanks for the session. And she has her own therapist. And I thought to myself, okay, you got to stop this, you know, because you want circular relationships.
01:15:43:02 – 01:16:01:19
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know that that’s what you want to, you know, send out to the universe when it comes to, you know, women in your life. I’m very clear about that. With my male relationships and my my partner, you know, he and I have a very reciprocal kind of relationship where he is genuinely interested in what goes on in my day and on and on.
01:16:01:19 – 01:16:15:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
It’s not just me listening to him, you know, and, and we’re mutually supportive, but that doesn’t mean you don’t do that with your women friends, so it can show up in other other places as well. And, and it’s an occupational hazard of being a therapist in that.
01:16:16:02 – 01:16:44:16
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I bet I, bet because they look at all she’s a therapist so she can, you know, just sit there and listen to me and listen. Elizabeth And then selfishly, unknowingly not realize, like, hey, you’re a human being, too, that needs to share and needs to be heard and needs to, you know, have this reciprocal communication. That’s why I love the word communication, because you break it down comes from communion, which literally means to to to share, to be reciprocal, to be in harmony with each other.
01:16:44:24 – 01:17:09:11
Nathan Crane
And yeah, if it’s just one person, always giving, giving, giving, giving, another person always taking, taking, taking, and there’s no reciprocity, things definitely get out of balance. I, I think that happens to a lot of people who go down a spiritual path. Initially, I know what happened to me. I don’t know if it I mean, you’re saying it did happen to you, but that’s kind of like from your whole life, not just it happened to me spiritually.
01:17:09:11 – 01:17:28:19
Nathan Crane
Like I was like, oh, I went to the opposite extreme. You know, as a teenager, I dealt with addiction extensively, almost to the point of where I died as well multiple times. But then when I found a spiritual path, it was like, Oh, I have to give away everything and serve everybody and not take care of myself and not.
01:17:28:20 – 01:17:45:10
Nathan Crane
And it’s just give, give, give, give, give, give, give until the point where it was like I felt so out of balance and so out of my body and so out of touch with, I think, you know, being grounded that it was like just constant kinds of giving were then like I had nothing, you know, and I was like, I finally had an awakening moment.
01:17:45:10 – 01:18:03:08
Nathan Crane
It was like, you know what? This is a this isn’t working. And I don’t think this is what being in imbalance in our lives is supposed to be like. I think it does need that reciprocity. We need to be able to give. We never will receive as much as we can give and vice versa.
01:18:04:03 – 01:18:30:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
So absolutely. I also think just the world as it is, you know, is in such a state of chaos that as you go out into the world and you’re dealing with people’s frustrations and stress. Right. It’s important to come home and again, clean out clean clothes, your own work field because you don’t know is attached to you. You know, there’s a lot of parasitic energy out there.
01:18:30:06 – 01:18:58:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
People don’t mean to, but they’re overwhelmed. You know, they’re overwhelmed. So they’re out there talking. They’re telling their woes to the cashier at the grocery store while you’re behind them. Right. That can can affect you. You know, all these things that aggregate from a world that’s in tremendous stress and transition. We’re in a big, big transition. So this taking care of yourself by doing emotional and, energetic cleansing at the end of every day is really critical.
01:18:59:10 – 01:19:10:07
Nathan Crane
I love that. And you said you shared that process in your book, how you do it. Is it something you can share? Kind of briefly like overview with us, like what you do.
01:19:10:16 – 01:19:19:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
A simple version that would be to just simply say anyone or anything in my energy field that is not me. Go back to when you came.
01:19:20:19 – 01:19:25:21
Nathan Crane
I love it. I tried to visualize it. Send it away. Yeah, yeah.
01:19:26:13 – 01:19:46:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
And any it has to go by the way I actually do a to step with and then I say anyone or anything attached to my physical body that is not me. Go back to whence you came at. I do that at the end of every day because. I believe that we need to go into sleep surrounded by a cocoon of light.
01:19:46:00 – 01:20:07:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
So that’s what I do. I surround myself in a cocoon of light and that that I’m not taking on the collective. You know, I am very connected as a shaman and as a mystic to the collective unconscious. You know, I have dreams like I had dreams that COVID was coming back and so and I had dreams before 911.
01:20:07:23 – 01:20:22:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, I am connected to the collective unconscious. So I make sure before I go to sleep and we many of us have we’re not even aware that you are. And so it’s important to seal your energy field off before go into sleep.
01:20:22:24 – 01:20:47:09
Nathan Crane
I have a question for you. So and I want to ask you’re like what you think is the best approach for people or maybe how you deal with it. Someone in your life could be a friend, an acquaintance, someone you see often, but they’re like a very negative person, right? And they’re and they’re not meaning to be like to bring you down or whatever.
01:20:47:09 – 01:21:08:05
Nathan Crane
But every time you go visit them or talk to them or whatever, it’s like it’s it’s mostly complaints that come out of their mouth, like pouring, you know, rivers of complaints the whole time when, you know, like, I’ve got someone in my life like that right now and and I think she’s great. And I, you know, like to see her.
01:21:08:05 – 01:21:33:00
Nathan Crane
I want to have conversations with her. But, you know, I see her maybe once a day. I’m not going to tell where or when or whatever, because I don’t want to like point anybody out. But every time I see her, most of the time, it’s like she’s complaining about something, just she just needs to vent. And I’m one of those people that listens wholeheartedly and fully to people when they speak and when they vent.
01:21:33:00 – 01:21:57:02
Nathan Crane
This is a practice I’ve developed over the years, and so people will come to me with their problems and share them openly. Oh, this is someone who does it all the time, 24/7. It’s just her behavior. Now, what I’ve started doing, like with her in particular, and I think I just developed this habit over the years with people when I notice it’s a pattern is I’ll just I’ll just like walk away and continue what I’m doing.
01:21:57:02 – 01:22:09:08
Nathan Crane
I’m like, Oh, okay. I just shake my head and I just start, like, walking away. Like, rather than get into and start asking questions about because normally it’s what I would do. Well, what’s going on with this and what about that and why, you know, why do you feel this way? And that’s like kind of getting like a therapy role.
01:22:10:02 – 01:22:26:18
Nathan Crane
And then the conversation will never end and it’s all complaints the whole time. Instead of doing that, I just kind of listen for a little bit and I’m like, Oh, okay. And then I’ll go over and do my thing and like try to be respectful but not rude, you know, like, that works for me, but I don’t know if that’s the best thing.
01:22:26:18 – 01:22:30:02
Nathan Crane
Like, what do you recommend people do.
01:22:31:00 – 01:22:51:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
With if it’s someone that you evaluate you want in your life? And it’s important to take a look at this, you know, especially if you’re facing breast cancer, you know, or any kind of cancer to take a look at who in my life is a toxin. Okay. And because, you know, what we have found is that there was study done in China.
01:22:52:01 – 01:23:14:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
And the one thing that all the women in the study who had breast cancer had in common was the only thing they had in common. Their diets were varied, their socioeconomic class was varied. The one thing they had in common was a toxic marriage. Okay. So but with a with that, you know that that’s not easy to just leave a relationship.
01:23:14:00 – 01:23:34:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
But if it was with somebody who you evaluate is really I’m not getting anything from this I’m the listener. Then I would take a look at who do I need to eliminate? However, with those people who you feel there’s value, there’s something that I’m receiving that’s reciprocity in some way. Are there in your family or something? You know, this person is.
01:23:34:15 – 01:23:53:13
Nathan Crane
Kind of like kind of like family because we give this we work out the same together. And so I see her almost every day. Right. And there’s a friendly, you know, exchange there. But it’s not like I’m not looking to get something out of it. But I also it’s not something I can, like, completely ignore her either, you know what I mean?
01:23:53:13 – 01:24:03:07
Nathan Crane
It’s just I call her an acquaintance, someone I see every day, you know. So anyway, Good continues. Just be clear. I’m not talking about my wife. There’s somebody at the gym.
01:24:03:07 – 01:24:03:16
Dr. Toni Galardi
I’m here.
01:24:03:18 – 01:24:07:03
Nathan Crane
You just talking about you.
01:24:07:23 – 01:24:28:22
Dr. Toni Galardi
So the technique that I. That I have begun practicing again, forgetting, you know, but practicing again. And I recommend to people to do well, you’re in someone’s space instead of trying to figure out how to help them. You know, and this is I’m talking to somebody who’s a complainer, is to start to, first of all, shift your breath to go inside.
01:24:29:06 – 01:24:57:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
So you’re disconnecting from them, disconnect from them, and go into your higher self and connect with their higher self and simply have as an intention. I am holding this person just internally in your own mind. I am holding this person in the highest potential that is possible for them and that you hold that intention so that you’re listening more to that than you are to whatever the the stuff is that they’re actually spouting.
01:24:57:19 – 01:25:22:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
And that also helps you to not be slimed because when somebody is complaining, if you’re impasse and you take that in, you’re you’re getting slimed, you’re energetic, feel inside. So the way that you prevent yourself from being slimed is by energetically holding yourself in the light, holding them in the light, and then just continuing to chant inside, I hold them in their highest potential.
01:25:22:15 – 01:25:34:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
I hold them in their highest potential. They are their highest potential. They are their highest potential. When you keep chanting that something will shift in the energy because you’re disconnected, you’re disconnected from their story.
01:25:35:16 – 01:26:00:06
Nathan Crane
Interesting. Interesting. I’ll have to try that. That’s really cool. Thank you for sharing that. I also have thought about recently, I’m like, I’m seriously considering like just pulling her aside and like just telling her, you know, being like, Hey, I just want you to know something like, I think you’re a good person. I, you know, enjoy being in the, you know, gym together.
01:26:00:07 – 01:26:19:09
Nathan Crane
I, you know, we train, you know, by each other every day, that kind of stuff. Like, I don’t mind talking to you, etc., etc.. But here’s my perception. My perception is this, right? You complain a lot about a lot of things and I really just don’t want that in my life. I don’t need to hear all of that.
01:26:19:17 – 01:26:30:24
Nathan Crane
I thought about telling or having a conversation with you, but I’m like, Is it going to help her or is it going to like create more of a, you know, create a problem? Like, I don’t know.
01:26:30:24 – 01:26:40:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
I think that if someone is committed to that, you know, that kind of energy, that kind of because it’s an addiction, complaining isn’t a.
01:26:40:06 – 01:26:42:12
Nathan Crane
Yes, it is. Exactly. Yeah.
01:26:43:07 – 01:27:02:13
Dr. Toni Galardi
What they you know, as a guy, she may listen to you as long as I think you say, look I want to I don’t want to alienate you. It is not my intention to push you away. It is more actually so that we have better connection, that I’m sick. Yeah, you know, I want to of person.
01:27:02:21 – 01:27:16:06
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Like, I don’t mind talking to her at all. It’s just like I have no interest in people being in my life that just want to come and complain all day long. Like, I just don’t have an interest in having that energy around me, you know? It’s like, no, thank you. I don’t need it.
01:27:17:08 – 01:27:35:10
Dr. Toni Galardi
So practices see what happens. But I think that if you hold someone in their higher self practice, practice doing that with, with somebody who you love, you know, who you trust enough that if they’re their complaining mode practice just seeing them in their full potential and see if any shifts in the energy.
01:27:35:17 – 01:28:22:17
Nathan Crane
Because you’re just I got a few people I could work I could do that with. Like I said, I got some good marching orders now. That’s awesome. All right, I’ll. Well, I will try that. Thank you. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, I think that’s important, though, that we you know, I learned to set boundaries years ago, and it’s like those boundaries can, you know, become open because it’s like I care about when you care about people, when you want to help people, when you feel service to humanity, to others, when you know it’s part of your life purpose to help awaken and help guide and help teach and and help, you know, share good things
01:28:22:17 – 01:28:37:02
Nathan Crane
with people so they can live a better life like you. I think you become more open to a lot of those situations. And so at some point it’s like, yeah, you do have to set some boundaries, otherwise you just get totally swamped and taken over.
01:28:38:16 – 01:28:54:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
And boundary setting takes many different forms. That’s what I was saying. Some of it is the interaction with someone, some of it when you go out into the world. As I said, it’s a chaotic world out there. But if you surround yourself in light, I loved it when we had to be six feet apart in a group grocery store.
01:28:55:01 – 01:28:57:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
Really what you can do is you can exercise.
01:28:58:08 – 01:28:59:10
Nathan Crane
I thought I was so stupid.
01:29:00:03 – 01:29:29:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yeah, I know, I know. Yes. What? You can extend your energy field six feet in every direction and. Yeah. And you’re filled with light your quantum it expands. Right. That’s cool. So but if you go into the world with that like I’m in, my intention is to go into the world with in this orb of light, then then the orb is what’s going to actually absorb, absorb, orb, the toxin of emotions out there in the world.
01:29:29:09 – 01:29:45:20
Nathan Crane
Somebody who’s very empathic like yourself. I could imagine that Six Feet Apart actually was probably really like amazing. Like, like, hey, I’m not taking on all these people people’s energy. 20 4:07 a.m. I actually have some space when I’m out in public? I bet that was actually pretty nice.
01:29:45:20 – 01:29:58:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yes. But again, you know, as I said, if you do this exercise before you go out and you clean your field when you come home, it’s easy around people to be close to people mean I’m a very affectionate person. I’m Italian. So, you.
01:29:58:21 – 01:29:59:06
Nathan Crane
Know.
01:29:59:18 – 01:30:02:11
Dr. Toni Galardi
Of hugging and touching people when I’m in public.
01:30:02:11 – 01:30:02:17
Nathan Crane
Like.
01:30:03:18 – 01:30:26:04
Nathan Crane
Do you do you think if someone like hates being around a lot of people that they could be empathic and they don’t know it? Yeah, some of it’s like, I mean, I’m thinking of somebody I know who’s like they absolutely, like, hate going to places where there’s a lot of people they just like and it’s like it’s a loathing thing where they just can’t stand it for too long.
01:30:26:04 – 01:30:48:20
Nathan Crane
They get overwhelmed and I’m like, I need my space, my private space. Like I need. I’m a I’m a man. I need my cave, right? Like anyone who’s studied John, you know, Mars for men and women are from Venus Gray, John Gray’s work like I think he’s spot on with that. It’s like the men we need to go back to our cave and like that’s how we regenerate.
01:30:48:20 – 01:31:06:08
Nathan Crane
And there’s different ways that we do it 100%. But I also really enjoy being out in public and being around other people and having conversations at the gym and at the beach and things like that and people watching. I enjoy it. Like I don’t ever feel like I hate so many people, but I also need my privacy, like my backyard.
01:31:06:08 – 01:31:22:17
Nathan Crane
Like I don’t want to see people walking around when I’m in my backyard naked, laying by my pool. You know what I mean? Like I want sunshine, I want privacy. But I also don’t have a problem going out and being around people where this person is like they need privacy. They but they also hate being around other people.
01:31:22:17 – 01:31:26:05
Nathan Crane
And I’m and I’m thinking I’m like, I wonder if they’re just like an empath and don’t know it.
01:31:27:20 – 01:31:28:14
Dr. Toni Galardi
I sensitive.
01:31:28:18 – 01:31:29:21
Nathan Crane
Yeah think so.
01:31:31:08 – 01:31:39:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
It’s very possible because anyone who goes out and is inundated, you know, by the energies of other people is highly sensitive. No question.
01:31:40:08 – 01:31:40:14
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
01:31:40:24 – 01:32:01:13
Nathan Crane
I might have to. I might have to talk to him about that. Anyway, this has been awesome. Tony, thank you so much for reaching out. And thank you for your, you know, really kind words and congratulations on, you know, just your own personal healing journey and the work you’ve done, obviously, for a long time as a therapist helping people.
01:32:01:13 – 01:32:12:14
Nathan Crane
But now really diving in and helping women with breast cancer. I know you’ve got your new book that just came out for Breast Quake, right? Where can people get a copy of that?
01:32:13:17 – 01:32:29:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
Amazon, Barnes and Noble? I’m actually going to be doing some programs so people can come to the website breast quake dot com. You know, I also have life quakecon so there’s free things that people will get from coming to the website.
01:32:29:24 – 01:32:46:05
Nathan Crane
So it took me a little bit to I was a little slow when I first saw the titles, took me a little bit to realize like, oh, like earthquake. It’s, I didn’t get it first. I was like, Quake, what does she mean by quake? I don’t know. I think my brain was overloaded when I first saw your books, but I could.
01:32:46:12 – 01:32:54:11
Dr. Toni Galardi
Get my my interpretation of of a life quake is the awakening into the soul waking up to who it really is. You know.
01:32:54:12 – 01:33:13:10
Nathan Crane
You know, in the breast quake, it is I mean, a cancer diagnosis. The hundreds of cancer patients I’ve met and talked to over the years, it is like an earthquake in your life. So I think that’s a that’s a great title, actually. And the fact that you’re sharing hope and solutions with people, I think is. Awesome. So thanks.
01:33:13:10 – 01:33:18:12
Nathan Crane
Appreciate it and great to get to know you more. Awesome. Thanks for being on the podcast.
01:33:19:13 – 01:33:22:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
Thank you, Nathan. It’s so much fun being on your show.
01:33:23:16 – 01:33:24:06
Nathan Crane
Awesome.
01:33:24:09 – 01:33:25:17
Nathan Crane
All right. And my pleasure.
01:33:25:23 – 01:33:26:17
Nathan Crane
Take care, everybody.
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00:00:00:00 – 00:00:29:09
Nathan Crane
Everybody, welcome back to the podcast. Today I am joined by Dr. Toni Galardi, who is a union trained psychotherapist and an executive coach. She’s an evolutionary medical astrologer and author of The Life Quake Phenomenon. Also, her new book that has just come out is called Breast Quake. And she shares her journey through breast cancer and what she has done to help heal herself.
00:00:29:13 – 00:00:33:02
Nathan Crane
And excited, Toni, to have you here on a podcast. Thanks for coming on.
00:00:34:03 – 00:00:37:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
All right. You’re one of my heroes. And so it’s an honor to be here.
00:00:38:09 – 00:00:43:17
Nathan Crane
Oh, that’s that’s really humbling to hear. Why do you say that? In what way? What do you do?
00:00:43:22 – 00:01:08:10
Dr. Toni Galardi
I’ll tell you why. Well, I mentioned you three times in my book because when I was originally diagnosed, I started to do an immersion in research because the turning point was in the breast cancer surgeon’s office when she said she looked at the scans and she was looking at them for the first time after the biopsy, and she said, Oh, my gosh.
00:01:08:10 – 00:01:14:22
Dr. Toni Galardi
And I thought, oh, you know, she’s seeing something that’s really bad, right? She said, Your tumor is in the shape of a heart.
00:01:15:07 – 00:01:15:18
Nathan Crane
Hmm.
00:01:16:00 – 00:01:38:22
Dr. Toni Galardi
And one of my girlfriends who came with me said a cracked heart. She was looking at it because there was a, you know, line down the middle. And she said, well, that’s because two tumors merged into one and I knew that because it’s in the left upper quadrant of my left breast, that this was emotional and I knew that I needed to find answers.
00:01:38:22 – 00:01:57:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
And so one of the things I did was immerse myself in your your your summit and your holistic. Tell us some which were a lifesaver, you know, because it helped me to understand I had gone to Optimum Health Institute at age 30 when I had Epstein-Barr inside.
00:01:57:22 – 00:01:59:01
Nathan Crane
And the one in San Diego.
00:02:00:07 – 00:02:27:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
Which is like the, you know, your hypocrisies in Florida. And so I knew I saw people with advanced stages of cancer kill themselves with enough detoxification. And the fact that they took on the mental, emotional, spiritual and physical I knew I needed to kind of adopt that model. And because I’m a psychotherapist, I knew there was emotional trauma that was connected to this tumor.
00:02:27:09 – 00:02:52:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
I had lost both of my parents six months apart, a few years before I had moved across country from California to Asheville. I broke up with in a five year relationship, we were engaged. So it was boom, boom, boom, change after change after change and not enough time to process the emotional trauma. So there was so I started gathering because I’m a researcher and I’ve had the path of the wounded healer.
00:02:52:06 – 00:03:22:13
Dr. Toni Galardi
I’ve almost died three times, you know, over the course of my adult life. Yeah. I’ve had that initiation, the shamanic initiation and everything that ever happened to me. I turned around and helped other people. So I knew that when this went that the way I was going to heal breast cancer, it needed to be a way that other people could adopt because there are plenty of people who can’t go and spend the money at Optimum Health or a cancer clinic, you know, because they’re expensive.
00:03:22:14 – 00:03:46:20
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, I looked into them 30,000 a month, you know, so I started looking at end the traditional. And I, I just want to quote this the Journal of American Medical Association in February of this year. Here’s this traditional journal saying that women are paying more for breast cancer treatment and they’re concerned about this. They’re obviously talking about traditional treatment.
00:03:47:06 – 00:04:11:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
Women are paying more for for breast cancer treatment than colorectal, lung and prostate cancer combined. Okay. So if that’s happening in the traditional world where, you know, people have $10,000 deductibles and whatnot, I thought I’ve got to find a way to heal me because my thing is helping others. It’s everything I’ve ever, ever gotten, you know, physically I’ve gone on to help others.
00:04:11:18 – 00:04:36:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I said, I’ve got to find a way to biohacking this. So that I so that people can do this at home. And so when I heard, you know, there are things that you said and people you interviewed that you can’t find on the Internet. So people like you are doing this amazing service. And that’s why I mentioned you three different times in my book of things that you had said that I took with me.
00:04:36:02 – 00:05:05:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
For example, I started doing Vitamin C, IVs. I did exactly. I did a bunch of things and things that were the ACA catches a dollar a day, you know, and this company that I adore, these people, you know, they have a company called SCA, a genuine SCA, and they will, if you do their program 33 times a day on an empty stomach, three ounces of their their tea, you make it the way they tell you to make you drink it three times a day for six months.
00:05:05:02 – 00:05:10:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
If you don’t reverse cancer, they give you your money back. So it was like that.
00:05:10:04 – 00:05:23:02
Nathan Crane
And holy cow. That’s amazing. I mean, one, it’s amazing that they’re they’re able to, you know, I mean, they’re not making they’re not making a claim. Right? I mean, are they guaranteeing it or they’re just saying, we’ll give you your money back.
00:05:23:15 – 00:05:24:09
Dr. Toni Galardi
If it doesn’t.
00:05:24:13 – 00:05:35:01
Nathan Crane
If it if it doesn’t work, which is which is awesome to do. Right. I mean, that’s going to draw a lot of attention to them. Unfortunately, a lot of negative attention.
00:05:35:16 – 00:05:36:07
Dr. Toni Galardi
So something.
00:05:36:07 – 00:05:36:18
Nathan Crane
Pretty cool.
00:05:37:17 – 00:06:01:14
Dr. Toni Galardi
Something you said and you were interviewing a doctor and you said you were talking about a story of a woman who had been doing holistic treatment, but then at the last minute, like she got convinced into having surgery, you know, she had like a centimeter left or something like that pressured into having the surgery. And when they opened her up, it was necrotic tissue.
00:06:01:18 – 00:06:03:03
Nathan Crane
Right, exactly.
00:06:03:03 – 00:06:21:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I went on and I look this up, I have it, I have it in my book, actually. So things I got from you then I was able to go on and do the research. If you don’t know where to go, you won’t find them on the Internet. And that’s it. Yeah. So your summits are so invaluable for this kind of thing.
00:06:21:03 – 00:06:42:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
So what I did was I found the substantiation. There is a radiologist in Oslo who was saying, we can’t tell in some tumors. We can’t tell the difference between dead cancer cells and live ones, which is and I asked my breast cancer surgery and I had to go in because she thinks I’m a pain in the ass. I mean, I’m I mean, nothing to her, right?
00:06:42:18 – 00:07:04:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
Because I have surgery, but I have to come back and I have one year, you know, every year I have to go and see her and I talk to her, you know, doing a mammogram with an eye contrast instead of the MRI with the, you know, the the black dye. So anyway, she I asked her, I said, is it true that you can’t tell the difference after you do radiation?
00:07:04:15 – 00:07:27:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know? And she said, yeah, that’s why we we wait, you know, because it takes time for the body to clear the dead tissue. Well, vitamin C, for example, high dose intravenous vitamin C has the same kind of effect. It’s oxygenating not just the tumor, but every cancer cell in your body that might you might not know about.
00:07:27:04 – 00:07:27:14
Dr. Toni Galardi
Right.
00:07:27:14 – 00:07:57:16
Nathan Crane
Exactly. Yeah. The vitamin C is is a prerequisite for hydrogen peroxide. And so the more vitamin C you have, the more hydrogen peroxide your body makes. And hydrogen peroxide, is it literally kills cancer cells. So, you know, that’s the theory behind why high dose vitamin C works so well against cancer is because it’s producing so much hydrogen peroxide naturally inside your body, which is, as we’re talking about, you know, highly oxygenating the environment around the cells.
00:07:57:16 – 00:08:28:09
Nathan Crane
And we know cancer cells can’t live in a highly oxygenated environment. They, you know, they require an anaerobic environment lacking oxygen. So, yeah, it is interesting that we have these natural solutions for basically the similar mechanisms of action that conventional therapies or chemotherapies, radiation, etc. does to the cancer cell. But in this case, high dose vitamin C is not damaging the healthy cells.
00:08:28:10 – 00:08:57:21
Nathan Crane
That’s that’s the really cool thing. But we also have to be super careful because these giant social media companies will take this information and and and, as you said, prevent it from getting out to the public. YouTube now is actually going against going out and and seeking cancer content and and de-platforming and removing it from YouTube. Yeah. Even if it’s based in evidence, just like they did for COVID.
00:08:57:21 – 00:09:15:23
Nathan Crane
So I’m like, I don’t know what’s going to happen with my YouTube channel at this point, you know? But everything we share is, is either like your case, you’re sharing your story and what you did and how you healed. And everything that we share and talk about is evidence based. I mean, it’s in the journal, everything, literature, evidence.
00:09:16:23 – 00:09:41:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
Everything I did is evidence based. So the Riordan protocol, you can find if you know where to go by, you know, by googling Riordan word and protocol because he has one of the few people who could get the the money to do a formal, you know, evidence based clinical trial. You know, who pays for clinical trials?
00:09:41:24 – 00:10:05:19
Dr. Toni Galardi
Mostly pharmaceutical companies, right? So getting the money to be able to show efficacy is not easy. But he has 50 years of advocacy behind his protocol, you know, and now his son has taken on that that work as well. But there is there’s too much trauma. And so I only did things that I knew could because I didn’t want to be taken down, you know.
00:10:06:00 – 00:10:27:11
Dr. Toni Galardi
But I so I did things that have evidence based. SC Actually 100 years of data on since the twenties. So the things that I did all are evidence based. Then there were the things I got into because I’m a career coach that have to do with occupational risk and that I didn’t see in any book that I read on alternative treatment of breast cancer.
00:10:27:11 – 00:10:57:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, no one is, but because this is my passion is helping people get aligned. You know, I came out of addiction treatment and one of the things I brought to addiction treatment consulting was having people look at what can drive addiction when when someone is not doing something, they’re passionate about and that when you include that, you know, in residential treatment where someone gets to look at like, what am I really what do I want to do with my life that makes my life thrive?
00:10:57:06 – 00:11:12:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I started looking at that and there are actual occupations that are tied that puts you more at risk than any other occupation for breast cancer. And so I have that in my book as well.
00:11:12:06 – 00:11:30:06
Nathan Crane
Well, number one, thank you for sharing that with me. I’m so glad that the you know, the work that I and my team have been able to do supported you in your healing journey like that. I just I love hearing stories like yours because it makes me, you know, so fulfilled to to continue doing this work because it’s not easy.
00:11:30:06 – 00:11:52:14
Nathan Crane
It’s not easy that, you know, it’s like we get attacked, we get deplatformed, we get censored. We have people calling us quacks and fakes and whatever. Right. And it’s like your story is amazing and incredible. And I’ve heard a lot of stories like that. They, you know, follow information, follow our coaching Archer docu series, you know, read my books, etc., etc., make the chain.
00:11:52:14 – 00:12:07:18
Nathan Crane
It’s not me who’s doing it right. It’s you. It’s it’s the patients is the clients. It’s the people who say, Yeah, this all make sense to me. I’m making the changes in my life. I’m changing my diet, I’m implementing these protocols. I’m going to reduce my stress. I’m going to heal my emotional trauma, I’m going to do sauna, etc., etc..
00:12:08:01 – 00:12:31:13
Nathan Crane
And then, you know, I hear I got an email not too long ago from from a woman who said, you know, my my cancer is regressing. I’ve been following everything you’ve been teaching for the past year. And my latest scan actually shows my cancer is regressing. So it’s intentional what you’ve done. And it’s cool that you’re, you know, you’ve put this in to information that you can share with others.
00:12:31:13 – 00:12:59:05
Nathan Crane
And I want to get more into your specific protocols in this podcast. I have some other questions for you though, in the meantime, but one just thank you for sharing that. It truly, truly touches my heart to hear it and to see you. You know where you’re at, thriving now, able to take what could have been a devastating, you know, life destroying diagnosis and turn it into something positive and meaningful to then go out and help others.
00:12:59:05 – 00:13:01:08
Nathan Crane
And it’s changed your life for the better, obviously.
00:13:02:10 – 00:13:22:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
And to be able to glow during in the in the in the in the middle of breast cancer, I took pictures. I had people take pictures that I put in the book of what you can look like in the middle of breast cancer treatment. I was originally diagnosed at stage two invasive ductal carcinoma, and in the middle of my treatment halfway through, I am my face is clean.
00:13:22:17 – 00:13:33:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
I thought I was in really good health. I organic non gluten non alcohol diet you name it but man detoxing what that does, it’s the best cosmetic in the world.
00:13:35:02 – 00:14:00:00
Nathan Crane
Yeah 100%. I just shared my detox protocol with a friend yesterday. He’s like, Hey, do you know anything about heavy metals? I’m like, Yeah, I’m researching heavy metals and detoxing and sharing that for like 15 years with people. And so I sent in some info yesterday. I’ve got like a daily detox protocol that I recommend that kind of hits heavy metals fungus, parasites, candida, etc. It is something you can do.
00:14:00:00 – 00:14:25:11
Nathan Crane
Morning, evening. Each day. Keep it simple, but detox is critical with how many toxins we’re exposed to today and I want to go back I want to share a little bit since we glossed over that story, because I think I mean, that story touched me in such a profound way as well. The story that I shared in our documentary series, The Missing Link that you’re talking about of the woman who she was, she I don’t remember what stage she was.
00:14:25:11 – 00:14:48:11
Nathan Crane
I think she was like stage four of stage four. She had a pretty big breast cancer tumor there, you know, and but she was doing everything natural. She was following the holistic protocols. She was you know, the tumor basically had stopped growing. And it was for quite a while she had changed her diet and she was doing emotional healing and she was doing a whole bunch of a holistic approach.
00:14:48:22 – 00:15:11:16
Nathan Crane
And the tumor stopped growing. But she was told by, I think it was a family members or somebody had convinced her and said, look, that’s it’s going to kill you. You have to get that out of you. Now, even though she’d been doing this protocol following her integrative doctors guidance, you know, it didn’t she didn’t have many symptoms from it.
00:15:11:16 – 00:15:33:13
Nathan Crane
It wasn’t impeding in her life in any way. It wasn’t, you know, it was just the fear. It was just the fear of someone in your ear. And this is something people can take a lot away from, is we have to learn how to differentiate between somebody else’s fear projecting on us and what our own intuition is telling us.
00:15:33:13 – 00:15:56:10
Nathan Crane
And her intuition told her, go holistic, go natural. That was her choice. And and, you know, results, if you stop the progression of a tumor, that’s results. It’s not growing anymore. Like, that’s amazing that that alone should tell you, hey, what I’m doing is working, but someone’s in her ear putting all this fear in her. So she so she goes in and ends up getting I think it was so large.
00:15:56:10 – 00:16:16:05
Nathan Crane
I don’t even think I don’t not sure if it was just a lumpectomy, but actually actually had her breast completely removed. That’s what it was. She had her breast removed because it was, I believe, metastasized. I think it was like I think it was stage three or stage four. And then when they looked in open up the tumor, it was all dead.
00:16:16:22 – 00:16:36:16
Nathan Crane
The tumor was completely dead. The body was just processing those dead cells. And that can take a long time. I can take a long time for your body to get rid of that. Well, now, here she is. She has no more breasts. Her breasts don’t she can’t do anything about that. Right? Like you can’t put a breast back on once it’s gone.
00:16:37:05 – 00:17:14:17
Nathan Crane
And you know, to me, that was so eye opening and so shocking. It’s like, you know, sometimes you got to trust your intuition. Sometimes you got to trust what you feel is the right thing to do and just shut out all the outside noise of other people’s fears projecting onto you. That certainly was the case. I mean, if she would have and I talked about this with the doctor who was treating her, and he agreed that if she would have just kept doing what she was doing and let her body process that that tissue on its own in months, maybe a couple of years, you don’t know the time length, but most likely the body
00:17:14:17 – 00:17:27:01
Nathan Crane
would have removed all those dead cells itself. That tumor would have completely dissolved and the body would have taken care of it, and she would have never had to remove her breast. But, you know, that’s that’s the power of fear.
00:17:28:07 – 00:17:45:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
That’s why I call it a breast quake. And of what I think of a breast quake is the awakening into your own inner wisdom and being willing to listen to what is your gut. And I, as a therapist, I work with this all the time, and I have exercises in this book about how to strengthen like a muscle.
00:17:45:24 – 00:18:05:10
Dr. Toni Galardi
Your intuition to hear, to listen to your own guidance. For example, when they did the biopsy, she wanted to immediately do an MRI. And I asked, Can we wait on this? And it was a slow growing tumor. You know, that’s another thing to ask. That question is, do I have time? And that’s what I asked her. Do I have time?
00:18:05:20 – 00:18:24:07
Dr. Toni Galardi
People don’t ask that kind of question. They hear cancer and they go passive. Just tell me what to do, doc. Just tell me what to do. And so I said, I have time. I said, okay, I would rather wait on the MRI and do my thing and in three months we can do the MRI. I said, I’ll agree to that if we can.
00:18:24:07 – 00:18:44:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
If we can, if you give me three months. So in that three month period of time, it’s when I did certain things, you know, that I did all on my own. By the way, I was not managed by a physician of any kind, and I found a center that does IVs. There’s something called the G6 PD, which is a lab test.
00:18:45:09 – 00:19:03:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
If you do not have this kind of rare blood disorder, then they can do high dose vitamin C IVs with you, you know, and any time I start feeling rundown, I go and I just go over there and I get another 50 grams of vitamin C and I it because it supports your adrenals in a big way besides cancer, you know.
00:19:03:24 – 00:19:30:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
So three months pass. I do do the MRI and with that black diving, you know, shot into my body. But and it showed, according to the MRI, a 70% reduction. What she said to me was when she called to tell me the results, she said, your tumor is at 500 millimeters. And I said, 500 millimeters. That’s a 70% reduction.
00:19:30:21 – 00:19:48:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, she said, well, we don’t have an MRI to contrast it with. And I said, Well, what do you mean? I said, So are you telling me that I need to then have another MRI in six months? And she said no and a mammogram will be sufficient. And I just like, okay, I don’t understand how any of this works.
00:19:49:08 – 00:20:06:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I had to wait, but I knew it was gone. I could feel it with cause I could feel it, you know? And it was gone within three months of the biopsy. And but I had to wait for that half a centimeter, you know, that was left to clear the body and it did.
00:20:06:06 – 00:20:11:23
Nathan Crane
Did you. Sorry. Your first with the biopsy. Did you say you had an ultrasound to or how did they distinguish the size.
00:20:11:23 – 00:20:16:05
Dr. Toni Galardi
Of a mammogram? So three months prior to that, I had a mammogram.
00:20:16:05 – 00:20:20:15
Nathan Crane
Oh, you did have a mammogram? An ultrasound. Okay. So so they determined the size at that point.
00:20:21:13 – 00:20:41:07
Dr. Toni Galardi
They in three months prior. So in May, this was in August when the biopsy was done. In May is when I woke up and I felt the lump in my in my breast. So I told my doctor and we did the mammogram and ultrasound and the radiologist told me, because of the size of it, it was little more than two centimeters by two centimeters.
00:20:41:07 – 00:21:01:19
Dr. Toni Galardi
She thought it was a stage two. It looked invasive. And I just decided I was going to wait on the biopsy and do a ten pass. So I went to California and visited friends and did Ozone. So I did ozone therapy, five, five treatments of ozone therapy and continue doing coffee enemas and some other things that I talk about in the book.
00:21:02:05 – 00:21:03:11
Nathan Crane
And did they?
00:21:03:11 – 00:21:03:21
Dr. Toni Galardi
I did.
00:21:03:23 – 00:21:14:04
Nathan Crane
You did the ozone where they ran it through a put it into your blood into a blood machine, then put the blood back into your veins. Yeah.
00:21:15:04 – 00:21:35:05
Dr. Toni Galardi
So and they do that ten times. Yeah. They can do five passes and they can do ten passes. You know Dr. Liebowitz, who was the doctor who supervised that, you know, those treatments, told me that he had a patient come to see him who had metastatic, metastatic breast cancer. They could do nothing for her. They basically said it was in her.
00:21:35:10 – 00:21:56:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
She it started in her breast and went to her pelvis in her bones, supposedly. And he so they told her there’s nothing really they could give her maybe three months, you know, with chemo. And so she said she had nothing to lose. So she went to him and she could only afford to do five passes. So they did five passes twice a week for 16 weeks.
00:21:57:02 – 00:22:16:01
Dr. Toni Galardi
And at the end of 16 weeks, according to Dr. Liebowitz, it was gone. It was gone completely, completely. The body completely healed. So again, ozone is another form of oxygen, right? It’s just more expensive. It’s more expensive than vitamin C. IVs are, you know, like five X more expensive, you know. So it was.
00:22:16:10 – 00:22:17:24
Nathan Crane
Often what you do in coffee enemas.
00:22:18:20 – 00:22:43:05
Dr. Toni Galardi
Which twice a week. So so I want to make a point about that. I believe and because I address my book is oriented toward women who have stage 0 to 2, not advanced breast cancer. If I had had metastatic breast cancer, I would have been supervised. I would have gone to a holistic doctor or clinic, but it was covered and there was no naturopathy doctors taking the patients.
00:22:43:05 – 00:23:09:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I had to do my own research, you know. So but the thing that that I learned was that I didn’t have to do things as rigid as even the alternative. People will say, absolutely no sugar. Okay. Well, I went I was never I hadn’t been on refined sugar for a long time anyway. But I still gave myself, you know, raw cocoa chocolate made with coconut sugar, you know, I, you know, so gave myself fruit.
00:23:10:07 – 00:23:38:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
I wanted to do things because I was my own guinea pig to see would this work so that other people would stay on it because there are women who won’t stay on this program. Nathan You tell them, like some of the doctors that I know you’ve interviewed have said you have to do live food for a year. You know, well, if you’re metastatic, I would agree with that, you know, but if you’re in early stage breast cancer, you can allow yourself to have some joy so that you’ll keep doing the program.
00:23:38:02 – 00:23:39:03
Nathan Crane
You have a lot more time.
00:23:39:18 – 00:23:57:14
Nathan Crane
You have a lot more time. Yeah. And that’s that’s one of the big things that, you know, you were you were well-educated, well informed going into your oncologist, into your doctor and saying, hey, look, I I’m going to try some things for a few months and we’ll see what happens, you know, and then and then I’ll come back and we’ll check up on this.
00:23:57:14 – 00:24:20:02
Nathan Crane
I think that’s what I would do, too. I mean, that’s I think that’s really smart, especially if you’re stage one, stage two. I mean, you know, at later stages, there’s still there’s still more time than you often think there is now. Certain cases, you know, I mean, there are certain cases where, like an immediate surgery could save your life.
00:24:20:10 – 00:24:42:08
Nathan Crane
Hey, go for it, right? I mean, I’m not here to tell anybody what to do and what not to do. It’s like but if I were in the situation and yeah, you know, you’ve got a tumor blocking your colon and if we don’t get this out of you in the next week, like, you’re going to back up and die, like, okay, you know, let’s get it out, you know, and then focus on everything else or, you know, you’ve got, you know, a tumor on your brain stem is pushing up.
00:24:42:08 – 00:25:11:23
Nathan Crane
And, you know, there’s certain cases where it’s like, hey, I would do surgery, get that thing out of me. Western medicine can be great for surgery, but I think way more often than not, people are rushed into again out of fear from their oncologists into treatments. They know nothing about the long term effects of these treatments, the safety of these treatments, the damages of these treatments, and end up making decisions that, you know, sometimes they feel terrible about.
00:25:11:23 – 00:25:33:09
Nathan Crane
And I know this because we talk to them, because they come to us, because they get recurrence. So, you know, they do the surgery, chemotherapy, radiation. Right. And then the cancer comes back three years later. And it’s like, Doctor, I thought you healed me. What’s going on here? And so then they find us because they research and go, Hey, there’s something else going on here that’s causing the cancer.
00:25:33:09 – 00:25:53:01
Nathan Crane
What’s once you ask that question, what’s causing the cancer? And then you’ll usually find out material. You know, you’ll find concrete cancer, you’ll find my books, you’ll find our docu series, documentaries, all that stuff. Because we look at the cause, the root cause, and we know what the causes of cancer are. You know, your oncologist doesn’t know because they’re not trained on that, because they’re trained on pharmacology and they’re trained on surgery and radiation.
00:25:53:09 – 00:26:20:19
Nathan Crane
They’re trained on symptom management and attacking the disease like the disease is is an enemy against you. And it’s not the disease as a result of an exact set of circumstances that our bodies have been introduced to through the internal and external environment for a long period of time. Right. And so most cases, long period times sometimes a short period of time like, you know, heavy stresses for three months, six months, a year.
00:26:20:19 – 00:26:55:00
Nathan Crane
I mean, that’s kind of a short period of time, but it can, boom, make a cancer grow rapidly. So when you start looking at the causes, what causes? Then you can start to think through, okay, what can I do about this? And addresses that. The root cause. And there’s so many, you know, they call them spontaneous healings. They’re actually I had Dr. Bernie SIEGEL, I don’t know if you know him, but we’re honoring him with a lifetime achievement award at our Integrative Cancer Conference or bill jansing cancer conference coming up is turning 92 on Saturday of our conference October 14th.
00:26:55:22 – 00:27:37:14
Nathan Crane
And he he’s such an amazing man, by the way. He’s like he’s he’s such a just a brilliant, funny, incredible man. But I forgot what I was going to say about him specifically. I like 100 thoughts coming at same time that I want to share. But but, you know, Bernie has helped his so many of his patients heal from, quote, unquote, incurable stages of cancer, oftentimes by helping them rethink and re examine their life and understand, you know, what’s at the root of all this stress and problems in their life.
00:27:37:14 – 00:27:53:05
Nathan Crane
And they get to that root and then they go home and start doing something that brings them passion and meaning and purpose. And then 14 years later, they walk into his office and he goes, You’re supposed to be dead. You know, 14 years ago, what happened here? They’re like, Well, I went home, I started gardening and landscaping and doing things I enjoyed.
00:27:53:05 – 00:28:17:20
Nathan Crane
I just forgot to die, you know? And it’s those kinds of stories that are just, like, incredibly inspiring. Obviously, there’s no guarantees with cancer. But in your case, as you discovered, you know, researching and taking action and following your intuition and getting guidance, you know, being smart about it, doing it safely, all that kind of stuff. You know, you have so much more time in a lot of cases than you’re led to believe that you do.
00:28:19:12 – 00:28:43:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
What I wanted in this book was also prevent to be focused on prevention because I have a passion for prevention. My first two books were about helping people figure out when it’s time to lead the life that they were in before they hit the wall. And because so many people wait until catastrophic crisis, whether it’s a health crisis or it’s a job crisis, before they before they do anything.
00:28:43:12 – 00:29:15:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
And so life quake in my first two books was examining how do you find your purpose. So in this book it was important to look at root cause. What’s the root cause emotionally? What’s the root cause environmentally? What’s driving this? One of the things that I discovered by, you know, some of the women wonderful doctor Jen Simmons, who wrote the foreword to my book, breast cancer surgeon, who talks about in the in the foreword that this is a symptom, that breast cancer is a symptom of an environmental problem going on in your life.
00:29:15:09 – 00:29:42:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
And that what is zero estrogenic is the cause, not the Astrid dial in a woman’s body. And women have been led to believe that when they have an estrogen positive tumor, that it means it’s because they have too much estrogen. So what do they give you? Tamoxifen, aromatase inhibitors, pharmaceutical aromatase and aromatase inhibitors, instead of things like din and broccoli sprouts and things of that nature that, you know, I now grow.
00:29:43:08 – 00:29:45:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I took a look at organics.
00:29:45:12 – 00:29:46:11
Nathan Crane
Soy Yeah.
00:29:47:14 – 00:30:12:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yeah. It’s so important to look at, you know, Bernie, I mentioned Bernie in this book as well. I one of the things I loved about his book also was that he said he really helps a patient get in touch with what can they get behind because it’s placebo. So I do the same thing as as a as a therapy, as a psychotherapist and as a coach is what can this person get behind?
00:30:12:15 – 00:30:51:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
That’s going to be the best healing for them. So I say it several times in the book. I don’t I don’t condemn anybody who chooses to have a lumpectomy or a mastectomy or whatever it is. If that’s something they can totally, 100% get behind and believe, this will help them heal. My concern is that for stage zero and this is happening as a trend in traditional medicine, they are telling women, breast cancer surgeons are telling women that if you have a mastectomy and of course, people want to have a bilateral mastectomy so that they both look, you know, the same both breasts look the same if only one breast has dysplasia.
00:30:51:15 – 00:31:16:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
And what stage zero is is dysplasia. It’s not an invasive cancer. It’s a it’s a pre-cancer. It’s condition mostly derived from inflammation, you know, an imbalance in the body and all you you know, for the most part, if you have stage zero breast cancer, if you detox your liver, you detox your colon, that’s going to go away. If you look at your life and you see what I’m doing for a living.
00:31:17:10 – 00:31:44:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
Am I passionate about what I’m doing this? Am I in a good relationship? One of the I have a whole chapter on toxic marriage, and there’s data, clinical data that shows women in their forties. And by the way, in 2022, it jumped doubled the number of younger women getting breast cancer. Now, it was 10 to 13% of breast cancer diagnoses were women over 50.
00:31:44:19 – 00:31:52:01
Dr. Toni Galardi
Now it’s getting younger and younger, and it has literally it doubled in one year, you know, well, you know, 20, 25%.
00:31:52:12 – 00:32:16:11
Nathan Crane
It’s a president is the number one killer of cancer in women as well. And it’s the number one cancer in women. And it’s it’s very sad. It’s very sad and troubling and scary, you know, for a woman, for anybody to be told you have cancer, you know, and and then rushed into, like I said, treatments you might not know anything about.
00:32:16:11 – 00:32:36:03
Nathan Crane
And so I love what you’re doing, which is, you know, empowering and educating women and saying, hey, especially stage one, stage two and prevention and saying, hey, here’s what you need to know. Here’s some options. Here’s some things to think about. You know, that way when you have a diagnosis, you can take a few steps back and do some research and then make an educated decision.
00:32:36:03 – 00:32:58:00
Nathan Crane
I mean, that’s that’s all I that’s all I wanted. That’s all I wanted. Since I’ve started this work with cancer specifically well over a decade ago, because my grandfather passed from what I believe were the treatments that he was receiving. And chemotherapy, radiation, I believe, killed him, not the cancer. And I have a lot of evidence to support that, but personal, you know, anecdotal evidence to support that.
00:32:58:00 – 00:33:16:02
Nathan Crane
And and I met a lot of people along the way who have said exactly the same thing. And so all I want to do is learn about what can we actually do to prevent cancer and to help our bodies fight cancer naturally. And then and then know our options. If you’re ever diagnosed, what other options do you have?
00:33:16:02 – 00:33:42:07
Nathan Crane
Is that the only option? Well, no, that’s not the only option. There are a lot of options, but I want to read it. We’re talking about Bernie Segal. I, I, I was doing a recording with him yesterday and asked him, you know, five or 10 minutes for his acceptance speech, for the conference, for his lifetime achievement award. And, you know, with Bernie, it’s it’s like he’s going to tell stories for hours and hours.
00:33:42:07 – 00:34:07:02
Nathan Crane
And I love his stories and I love and I’m just sitting there like, you know, it’s late in the evening. I’m I’m late for, you know, seeing my kids after school, going to the gym, eating. I’m hungry, I’m tired. It’s like 530, 6:00. I had a long day and then I’ve got Bernie on here talking for like, you know, supposed to be five or 10 minutes and it’s like an hour later and I’m like, All right, Bernie, we got to wrap up now.
00:34:07:02 – 00:34:33:19
Nathan Crane
And he’s like, okay, I got I got a good story for wrap up. He tells oh, you know what? One more thing to help make the point and oh, one more story. I got to share it. You know, it’s it’s like I’m sitting there and I’m actually reveling in it and and really trying to, like, push aside the hunger and the urgency to leave and all that human ego stuff and just like be present with this incredibly brilliant, wise, loving man and like, you know, receive this wisdom that he’s sharing.
00:34:34:04 – 00:34:50:23
Nathan Crane
And so, you know, it was honestly a struggle and at the same time really rewarding. And I’m glad I did and didn’t, you know, cut him off early. So we have like almost an hour of just like gold that he shared. But now I figure out how to, like, cut 5 minutes out of that for his acceptance speech.
00:34:51:08 – 00:35:24:22
Nathan Crane
But anyway, he emailed me afterwards and he says, Remember to tell people to draw and talk to themselves and learn about who they really are and their family too, and helps you as parents very much. Peace be with you, Bernie is a lot of his work is you know you read his book you know he would have going back to hey if someone wants to choose chemotherapy, radiation, etc., what he would do is have them first draw themselves, hey, draw yourself in in the room, having surgery, draw a picture, paint a picture of yourself.
00:35:24:22 – 00:35:44:09
Nathan Crane
It doesn’t matter if you’re an artist, doesn’t matter. Just draw something of yourself in the room receiving the treatment. And if he ever saw anything from that drawing from that person that had like he would see drawings that like showed them was like Xs on their eyes or, you know, like symbols of death and things like that. He said, Don’t do the treatment.
00:35:44:17 – 00:36:01:01
Nathan Crane
Don’t do the treatment until you get your mind around that. This treatment is going to be good for you. And then if you saw someone there with family and hugging and like he drew you know, someone drew themselves looking happy and healthy, he said, hey, keep that’s great. Keep this in your mind that the treatment is going to help you.
00:36:01:12 – 00:36:21:15
Nathan Crane
And he would encourage them to draw, actually draw and paint pictures of themselves and think about and visualize themselves receiving the treatment and being benefited from it and being healed from it. You know, you’re talking about placebo. This is what he did with his patients. And he had the best patient. He had the best outcomes for his patients out of anybody in his hospital.
00:36:21:15 – 00:36:43:23
Nathan Crane
And so a lot of the nurses wanted to work with him because he always had these crazy, incredible results with patients where some patients, they wouldn’t lose their hair. And he showed his nurses their paintings where they drew after treatment. You know, they drew hair on themselves and, you know, visualize themselves having energy and feeling good and not getting sick from the treatment.
00:36:43:23 – 00:37:08:15
Nathan Crane
And so there is 100% something to be said about, hey, whatever treatment you’re going into, make sure you feel good about it. Make sure you visualize yourself receiving benefit from it, make sure you go into it, you know, feeling strong and healthy and seeing yourself that way, because we know the power of the mind and its impact on the physiology and the outcome of the actions that we take for our own health.
00:37:09:10 – 00:37:22:00
Nathan Crane
And so he’s you know, Bernie is just a true legend. And he emailed me that last night. So I had to make sure to talk about it since we were talking about him.
00:37:22:00 – 00:37:51:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
We’re absolutely. So one of the things when I was talking about stage zero, there is a been a trend that breast cancer surgeons are telling patients that if they have this bilateral mastectomy, they don’t have to do radiation. And this is how what is talking women into it? You know, and it’s unfortunate. One of the things that I talk about in this book that’s a little of a very unconventional is medical astrology.
00:37:51:03 – 00:38:13:21
Dr. Toni Galardi
And medical astrology was taught in medical school at one time, you know, before we moved into the Cartesian age, which was all about the linear, you know, what you see is what you believe instead of what you believe is what you will manifest, right that we are now seeing and through quantum physics. But at one time, they took they took medical astrology out of medical schools.
00:38:14:06 – 00:38:43:05
Dr. Toni Galardi
And I began studying medical astrology in my thirties and then became a consultant to integrative and functional medicine doctors who had hard to teach. They couldn’t figure out a case. So I you know, they consulted with me and there were certain things that I could see on a chart. And one of the things that I studied was I looked at the charts of 30 celebrities and 30 women, and then four or celebrity men who had had breast cancer.
00:38:43:05 – 00:38:59:01
Dr. Toni Galardi
Because the numbers are going up in men as well. You may know that breast cancer, you know, although it’s still only a little less than 2% of breast cancer diagnoses, the numbers are jumping in, men being diagnosed.
00:38:59:01 – 00:39:07:02
Nathan Crane
So it’s it’s it’s about it’s in the thousands, I think is still very low. But it’s as you said, it is growing. Yeah, year after year.
00:39:07:20 – 00:39:37:14
Dr. Toni Galardi
It’s about 3000 a year of men who are diagnosed and 520 men died of breast cancer last year. So in the United States. But anyway so I wanted to see if there was a pattern. You know, could I was there a repetitive pattern in the charts of celebrities? And I thought given all the money they have, probably they must have, because I was looking for answers at the time, but they must have gone ballistic, you know, because they had the money to do this kind of thing.
00:39:37:22 – 00:39:57:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
None of the women that at least they weren’t admitting it on, you know, on record had done any kind of other than Suzanne Summers after she had, you know, a lumpectomy and radiation. And they gave her a hard time. The fact that she didn’t do chemo at that time and that she did mistletoe therapy, they gave her a hard time about that, you know.
00:39:57:12 – 00:40:21:11
Dr. Toni Galardi
So what I saw was a pattern there was a pattern and it was emotional in nature that there was a pattern of a certain kind of type of person who is more emotional and who has a lot of water in their. And and that kept repeating over and over again, you know, except for Sheryl Crow, she was the only only chart that I looked at that did not have water on the chart, but she was under a transit from the plant.
00:40:21:11 – 00:40:47:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
The rules water, which is Neptune. So there is that’s where it led me to start looking at the emotional piece. I thought, okay, if this is repeating over and over again in the charts of celebrity women and I have a metric, a water sign, you know, then is it possible that those who hold who process emotions differently, who who take on who are empaths, for example, people who are very empathic.
00:40:47:08 – 00:41:06:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
And so I read an interview actually with Sheryl Crow, even though she’s a fire air person, she’s an Aquarian. She said one thing she had to look at was overextending herself that she had this tendency to take on everybody else’s problems and was helping this person, helping that person, giving money here, giving money there, and that she had to learn to have better boundaries.
00:41:07:06 – 00:41:20:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
And this is one of the the the lessons of breast cancer, because I see that pattern in breast cancer, you know, women who are survivors, breast cancer thrivers is that they’ve had to look at sending better boundaries, you know, with others.
00:41:21:12 – 00:41:27:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Yeah, that’s huge. Have you researched German new medicine at all?
00:41:29:15 – 00:41:36:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
Well, there’s I mean, there’s a lot of German I mean, there’s a lot that comes out of Germany. There’s incredible machines. You know.
00:41:36:18 – 00:42:27:18
Nathan Crane
This is this is specific. KLEE It’s coined German new medicine. It was founded by Dr. Reich. HAMMER Decades ago. Are you familiar with that? So his his research, he took thousands of patients over his career and a brilliant doctor. I mean, incredibly brilliant early on, he started noticing a pattern among cancer patients and emotional trauma. And when he would dig into their charts in life and ask questions, and he started recognizing, hey, every single cancer patient, basically every single cancer patient that he was working with, whether it’s breast cancers, colon cancers, brain cancer didn’t really matter, had at some point previously a traumatic experience in their life.
00:42:28:15 – 00:42:57:03
Nathan Crane
And he started looking at he had a theory and he was able to verify it that that trauma actually caused a lesion on a specific part of the brain associated with that part of the body. And he was able to to verify this through MRIs and then he started, you know, really going deep into the science behind the connections in which part of the brain is that which part of the body is associate and the organ.
00:42:57:08 – 00:43:28:10
Nathan Crane
And he would find matching lesions on the brain and the organ that are associated with each other. And that particular trauma and started teaching this and sharing with others and actually ended up taking it to a really prominent school of medicine. And they told him, I mean, he had so much evidence of this and MRI’s and proof and case studies and reversed he has he claims to have a 90% cancer reversal rate from thousands of patients that he worked with over the years.
00:43:28:23 – 00:43:55:07
Nathan Crane
And they always and he took it to this university and gave them all the all the proof, all the data. And this was documented. I can’t remember who said it from that university was said. Dr. Hammer is 100% correct with his findings. But we we can never implement them here because it’s it’s in I’m not quoting this word for word, but it’s very similar.
00:43:55:07 – 00:44:16:05
Nathan Crane
It goes so much against what our conventional thinking is about cancer, about the body and disease that it just we just can’t do it. And that’s basically where it’s been left. And now German new medicine. Anyone can go out and learn about this yourself. You can buy books on it. There’s free videos all over online. It’s it’s a it’s a free thing accessible to everybody.
00:44:16:05 – 00:44:45:10
Nathan Crane
It’s really in-depth and very complex. But there’s a simple way to understand it. And they look at the cancer as a more of a healing result from that trauma. And when you finished your healing phase, when you finish your healing that trauma, that tumor finishes itself in your body, basically, you know, dissolve that tumor and you move on.
00:44:45:10 – 00:45:14:13
Nathan Crane
You can heal from it. But most people reactivate the trauma through the fear, through triggers, through other situations, through, you know, the prognosis and all the other things that the body actually can never heal, because then you’re in that sympathetic nervous system state for so long. So anyway, German new medicine, it’s really profound. But you were talking about in your own case, you recognized, hey, you were going through this stressful time and you had this kind of, you know, almost traumatic type experiences and then, boom, you had breast cancer.
00:45:14:13 – 00:45:17:17
Nathan Crane
I know so many people who had the same story. It’s incredible.
00:45:18:15 – 00:45:48:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
It’s also important to look at early childhood trauma. You know that. Yes, there is a predictor around trauma and the previous five years before a tumor shows up, no question about that. You know, loss losses often will if you don’t process them, if you don’t do somatic work. And so that’s why in this book, because I’m a psychotherapist in a shamanic practitioner, I teach people how to clear that on a daily basis.
00:45:48:24 – 00:46:12:21
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, we we take a shower every day, right? Twice a day sometimes. Right. We do all this stuff to clean. We clean our teeth. We do that ritual twice a day, cleansing your psychic body at end of the day is so important because disease starts in the bodies that are around the physical body. You know, we talk about chakras that are in the body.
00:46:12:21 – 00:46:32:10
Dr. Toni Galardi
Well, trauma starts there. It starts in their body. So if at the end of the day, you go back through and I have this exercise scanning the day and you look at any time during the day where there was something that hit your system in a shocking kind of way or was stressful to clear it. And I, you know, teach how to do that.
00:46:32:10 – 00:46:58:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, how to clear it out of your body so that you reset every day. You’re rebalancing your nervous system, taking it into parasympathetic before you go into sleep every single day. And anyone who’s had childhood trauma has that PTSD waiting to happen the minute something happens and their adult life. So if we don’t learn how to do this literally as a practice in a ritual, then it collects in it becomes a toxin.
00:46:59:05 – 00:47:02:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, emotions become toxins in the body.
00:47:03:13 – 00:47:18:03
Nathan Crane
So what what were some of the initial once you recognize did you recognize right away that like, hey, this is primarily emotional related your breast cancer, was that like a thought that you had early on?
00:47:18:08 – 00:47:30:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
Well, because it was in the shape of a heart and. It was on it was over the heart and in the left breast, which I know is, you know, the feminine side of the body, that immediately I thought, this is emotional.
00:47:30:23 – 00:47:37:09
Nathan Crane
And the cracked and the cracked heart that I think your friend said. Right. And you had just broken up a five year relationship. I think you said.
00:47:38:22 – 00:47:59:07
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yeah, right. Yeah. So and she said clinically, you know, the surgeon said, wow, that was two tumors, you know, that merged into one. And so I thought at the moment my thought was my parents deaths, they died six or just after I moved here and then COVID hit. So I had no part to go into. I was, you know, writing my second book.
00:47:59:13 – 00:48:33:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
I, I thought, Oh, I’ll have time to go out and meet people. And Asheville didn’t happen because we went down. Everything went down, right? And so I, you know, was sequestered. I was alone and lonely and and grieving and then literally my father’s death. And then six months later, my mother died. So there was this loss that I and I didn’t have to ask or I didn’t think I had time to really dig deep into that, to that grief and do a grief real appropriate grief work.
00:48:33:06 – 00:48:54:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
Because I was trying to get a book out. And it’s what was interesting is what happened was I did Dr. Sue Motor show, she was on a guy network. I did guy a couple of times. And then we did this interview at the end of January 2020. Okay. And in that interview, I was and I had breast cancer at the time, didn’t know it.
00:48:54:21 – 00:49:20:01
Dr. Toni Galardi
And I said my my in the in the interview, my prediction is part of the transformation on the planet that’s going to take us into more fifth dimension. Reality is the transformation that’s going to come through confronting cancer and addiction. And at three months later is when the interview the interview came broadcast April of 2020, when the world was in a global life quake.
00:49:20:12 – 00:49:38:07
Dr. Toni Galardi
Okay. So that I mean, the response I had, I didn’t expect this. I didn’t think many people would even watch the interview. You know, none of my friends had Gaia. So I think but it goes in 19 countries around the world. And so I started getting hundreds of people reaching out to me who were in their own life.
00:49:38:07 – 00:50:02:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
Quake. Right. And so but my context is look at any addictions you have as an opportunity and anyone in recovery, you know, knows this is an opportunity for for transformation. Same thing with the health crisis. Opportunity for transformation. So I saw that as, okay, I can if I can heal this emotionally and I sound like I didn’t do a physical detox because I did.
00:50:02:16 – 00:50:11:14
Dr. Toni Galardi
But it was important to not just do a physical detox, but to look at root cause on an emotional plane and do that processing that I had not done.
00:50:12:07 – 00:50:25:02
Nathan Crane
And for you, what was the what was your processing like? What what therapies did you use? Did you mostly do the things yourself? Did you see others? Did you what were some of the what were some of the therapies you think really helped you through that?
00:50:25:24 – 00:50:54:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
Okay. So Qigong is really helpful. You know, for somebody who cannot afford to go and see a therapist such as myself, she’s getting a qigong practice because that helps with energy healing and on what’s that? What was Greg Braden’s show called Missing Links on Gaia? He talked about the story of these Qigong masters, forged qigong. Do you know that story of standing up?
00:50:54:17 – 00:51:30:06
Nathan Crane
So I trained for three and I worked really closely with a master Qigong teacher, Master Ming Dongyu, who trained at that medicine list hospital in China and became a, you know, went through the master training program there under Grand Master Peng Ming from that hospital where Greg Braden shared the video of the basically the tumor, you know, the energy healing of the US let you share the story, but yeah, yeah it’s small world so so Ming Tong so I worked with him really closely and which is retreats and trained with him very closely for three or four years.
00:51:30:06 – 00:51:50:04
Nathan Crane
No longer than that, five or six years in Santa Fe, New Mexico. He has a retreat center there, and I’ve helped him produce master classes in his qigong master classes. And Qigong trainings are available at one of my Web sites at Healing Life dot net. So I practice qigong every morning. So I’m very steeped in the in the qigong world, very much.
00:51:50:04 – 00:52:11:11
Nathan Crane
I love it so much. I think it’s I think it’s the thing that people need today. Like yoga came to the West 100 years ago when, you know, Paramahansa Yogananda came in and yoga kind of exploded. I think qigong is at the precipice of exploding to that level where everybody is going to learn about it and benefit from it because it’s so powerful.
00:52:12:15 – 00:52:42:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yeah, the story that Greg tell tells is this woman had this huge tumor on her kidney. And I mean, it’s huge. And these so you see it on the CAT scan, you actually see the tumor on the CAT scan. And for qigong masters are encircling her and it took them 4 minutes. You see it going down. And what they’re saying in Tibetan was Waza Waza already healed, already healed in, in and in this chanting.
00:52:43:10 – 00:53:11:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
So that’s part of healing, right, is to see yourself as already healed. So I extracted from that, you know how important it was for me. You asked me, what did I do? Well, I had tools because I’m a, you know, a long time shamanic teacher. So I had tools that I could use on myself. But for those who can’t afford to go to someone like me, then doing a Qigong class, you know, I worked the Qigong Master in California name is Daniela Carraro.
00:53:12:09 – 00:53:26:22
Dr. Toni Galardi
And you can do zoom healings where someone you know, you don’t need to be in the same space. With that, I also created a power of a group which is free. You just have to pull
00:53:34:23 – 00:53:59:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I put a power of eight groups together. And on Zoom once a week, eight people came together. I actually, you know, asked 14 people so that there would be enough people each week. And so eight people always showed up and all they did was you. No, no. This doesn’t require you to be a Qigong master, doesn’t require you to have any kind of energy healing tools.
00:53:59:13 – 00:54:22:13
Dr. Toni Gallardi
That was what her study was so amazing was the all the people who participated. It had no, you know, energy, mastery techniques. They just all they were instructed was was to send energy of radiant love to this person who was the, you know, a receiver. And for 10 minutes, that’s it for 10 minutes. So I did that for 12 weeks.
00:54:22:13 – 00:54:49:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
I talk about that in the book because that was talk about humbling for somebody who I was identified myself as being the healer, the person who puts the cape on that rod rescues the day is now suddenly having to ask people to come in and say, Oh, the meltdown that my ego had to go through, I sobbed the first two sessions we did this so powerful and people can do that for free.
00:54:50:02 – 00:55:07:20
Dr. Toni Galardi
You just have to bring together people who are willing to hold you as already healed, you know, and do that for 10 minutes online. You know, I think Zoom is a great way. It’s such a great tool, you know, and anybody can get that free of charge, right? You can do 10 minutes, you know, online and get it free.
00:55:08:04 – 00:55:31:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
So that’s what I wanted to put in the book were things that people could do cost effectively, you know, for those and again, for stage zero one or two who cannot afford an alternative medicine doctor or, you know, where we would cost for traditional treatment if they have a high deductible, you know, and that there are things you can do yourself, you know, to heal yourself.
00:55:31:21 – 00:55:34:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
So that was what I was passionate about.
00:55:35:01 – 00:55:58:21
Nathan Crane
That’s beautiful. And yeah, there are. So I think the power of group healing in qigong is it’s talked about as the chief field. The field of healing energy that we create as qigong practitioners all over the world. And as you practice and visualize, it becomes a meditation off in a moving meditation and you connect to that key field.
00:55:58:24 – 00:56:32:08
Nathan Crane
I actually interviewed Ming Tong on the podcast recently and we talked a lot about that. She filled in the power of the G field and is basically quantum science is understanding why and how this works now, but connecting to a group of other people, sharing an intention and an energy towards something that’s already healed in the word that that he uses, that I chant every morning and my Jegan practices how long and how law in Chinese means all is well and getting better.
00:56:32:20 – 00:57:05:24
Nathan Crane
And so when you chant it towards, you know, you’re sending healing energy and visualization to something in your body or your life or somebody else. You’re chanting how little love in your visualizing that area already healed. Like we saw. Meaning, you know, it’s already healed. All is well and getting better all it’s already well and it’s getting better and you can use that for your relation ships, for your finances, for your health.
00:57:05:24 – 00:57:36:24
Nathan Crane
I mean, if nothing else, you know, a powerful way to program your mind towards goodness instead of, you know, fear and darkness. But I love it. Yeah, I actually did a documentary. It’s on YouTube, I’m free. It’s with Otis Wallen, who had cancer. And and he was, you know, he would put himself in a heated bathtub steaming. And then just, you know, what I.
00:57:36:24 – 00:57:39:11
Nathan Crane
Saw was saw was saw.
00:57:39:15 – 00:57:56:15
Nathan Crane
O light and chanting and basically shrunk that tumor all the way down to where there was just like a little bit left. And then he did a cryo, basically froze it off. They were able to do a CRI blast station, think it’s called, they freeze a little bit of the tumor that was left and then it was gone.
00:57:56:17 – 00:58:17:20
Nathan Crane
It was like he was healed from it. But yeah, I went out to his house and interviewed him and his wife and his daughter. And but he also learned, you know, practice qigong and helped heal himself of both that and I believe a lesion on his liver. He had a couple of other things going on and totally heal and some it’s powerful stuff.
00:58:17:20 – 00:58:44:07
Nathan Crane
I mean, what you’re talking about is powerful stuff and it’s awesome too. So talk about coincidences, right? If you believe in coincidences as coincide, as synchronicities, I literally was and I’ve seen that video half dozen times of Greg Braden showing the practice she practice qigong practitioners literally dissolving the tumor on a CAT scan. I’ve seen it multiple times over the years.
00:58:44:21 – 00:59:07:06
Nathan Crane
Somehow I was watching it again yesterday, so I hadn’t seen that video in three or four years and I don’t even know how I got to it yesterday, but I’m watching the video and I downloaded and saved it because they’ve deleted that from YouTube I think multiple times. So it’s like, I’m going to save this. So I have it in case they delete it again.
00:59:07:17 – 00:59:11:17
Nathan Crane
And then now you bring it up in this interview. You know what? What a very.
00:59:12:00 – 00:59:32:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
Into people can get get Gaia for 999 a month you know his all his interviews you know are on there and you know it just like probably get qigong stuff from you as well but you know, there are classes that you can take and is that there are things you can do yourself. You know, he did it himself, right?
00:59:33:10 – 00:59:57:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
That you don’t have to depend on another person. However, and this is where I come in as a coach, what I have to get to with someone first is whatever is in the way of you taking full responsibility for your health. You can tell someone, you can give them all of the resource. I had a woman come to me who had heard about what I had done with myself and was in corporate America.
00:59:57:18 – 01:00:24:11
Dr. Toni Galardi
And and I told her when we saw when we did the coaching session, it was clear to me she was in burn out, hated her job, and she said, I’m just going to go do the lumpectomy. I know that you you were able to cure yourself, but she said, I’m just going to go do the lumpectomy. So if someone isn’t willing to take a deep dove into what their fear is taking full and total responsibility, there is a threat.
01:00:24:12 – 01:00:50:13
Dr. Toni Galardi
You can talk about synchronicities. What came through my feet I’m looking for. Mind you, this was weird. I’m looking for a a theta chant, which is six mega hertz, you know that I could listen to because it takes you into theta of them chanting, you know, the vibration of six, six megahertz delta. And in comes this vlog from a breast cancer surgeon in the UK.
01:00:50:13 – 01:01:16:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
And I’m not going to mention her name because I want to be respectful of what she’s doing, who just had her third bout of breast cancer and she did of the mastectomy the first time they radiated it. Then the second time it came back, they did radiation again. And the third time what they are telling her, they just went in and they she they snipped the cancer out and they said they don’t know what to do because they can’t radiate her anymore.
01:01:17:02 – 01:01:48:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
The Tamoxifen didn’t work. So they then they switched her over to a different kind of synthetic aromatase inhibitor, and that is now no longer working. The only thing that they have to give her to knock her estrogen down, which is still that that belief system, that somehow it’s the estrogen in your body is is a kind of a aromatase inhibitor that they reserved for women who are metastatic, you know, and they wanted to hold that back until she was she actually had it where it came back metastatic.
01:01:48:02 – 01:02:11:13
Dr. Toni Galardi
And I just thought this is this is crazy. This is crazy. And she said on camera, women need to know it’s not their fault. You know, it’s not their fault. This this just happened. Some people have it on their in their DNA. Yet we know that only 5 to 10% of women is in is it inherited? Have the gene or whatever that really actually has.
01:02:11:13 – 01:02:32:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
And even with that Bruce Lipton’s work about, you know, what you can do to reverse anything that you’ve inherited anyway. But the point is, is that I’m listening to this and she’s saying it’s not your fault. And I’m just not that mentality of, No, it’s not your fault. I don’t think of it. You don’t want anyone to feel blame about getting breast cancer.
01:02:33:09 – 01:02:49:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
But I did look at taking full responsibility because I knew that’s where I had power, that I wasn’t going to have power if I just gave it over to someone else who just did what they thought was best, what they’re going to get paid to do. A breast cancer surgeon gets paid to do surgery. I don’t fault them.
01:02:49:24 – 01:03:08:22
Dr. Toni Galardi
This is what they were trained to do, but this is what they can give you in their medicine bag. They can give you surgery. That’s the only thing they have. And they’re missing back to give you. Right. So but you you run out of options when you go that route. And she she was running out of options. Now, if with three bouts of breast cancer.
01:03:09:02 – 01:03:37:05
Dr. Toni Galardi
So if she were my patient, I’d be asking questions like, do you like what you’re doing? Surgeons have a higher risk, like 40% higher risk than even regular physicians. And physicians are at risk with breast cancer. That’s what the data shows, you know, so I’d be looking at do I love what I’m doing? You know, do I is my relationships, you know, in order she mentioned something about her husband not being able to show up for the third surgery she went through and how distressing that was.
01:03:37:10 – 01:03:59:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I’d be looking at those emotional pieces like, is everything working in my life or is there something that I haven’t looked at? That’s the etiology or the root cause, you know, that has nothing to do with the physical symptom. So when I’m working with someone, I’m wanting them to look at what is my refusal to take responsibility for my healing?
01:04:00:24 – 01:04:17:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
What’s that about? Not from a judgmental place, but like, let’s be curious about it. Let’s just be open and curious. Like, what part of me just wants somebody to just do that? Do it to me, right? And I don’t have to do anything except recover.
01:04:17:04 – 01:04:40:18
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And that’s I think that’s a that’s part of so many people. And I had someone actually message me this morning about some of my videos on Instagram or something and saying, Oh, you’re, you know, you’re making women feel disempowered because you’re saying the cancer is their fault. And I’m like, How do you interpret that from anything that I said?
01:04:41:01 – 01:05:01:20
Nathan Crane
You know, I read other comments and and women were replying in defense and saying, no, he’s empowering people by saying, look, once we know what the cause of the cancer is or the disease or whatever challenge, we know the cause, and then we can learn the solutions. Now we can become empowered to actually do something about it. If you don’t know what you don’t know, how can you make any changes?
01:05:01:20 – 01:05:24:04
Nathan Crane
No one else is going to fix you, right? And but that’s what we want. It’s like we want someone else to fix us. Hey, I’m broken. Fix me. And that’s not true at all. And you’re not even broken in that sense. It’s like, Hey, we often, unconsciously or subconsciously have been programed to live a certain way to eat a certain way to behave, a certain way to react to situations in a certain way.
01:05:24:15 – 01:05:56:11
Nathan Crane
And the only way we can change that is by becoming aware of how we respond and react to things, and then choosing consciously to change it. Well, you can’t become aware of something if it’s not, you know, pointed out to you and or you’re not questioning. You know, I’ve become so aware of so many of my own faults and traumas and and behaviors and bad habits and addictions over the years, because I was have always been willing to question myself, where is this coming from?
01:05:56:11 – 01:06:15:16
Nathan Crane
What is this about? Why did I just react that way? Why did I just yell at my wife in this situation like or say it that way? You know, and I’ll go out now and I’ll think about it and I’ll ask the questions. And it’s not about judgment. It’s like, Where the hell did that come from? I sit down and think and question Right is basically self psychoanalyzing and it’s like, okay, where’s this?
01:06:15:16 – 01:06:38:00
Nathan Crane
Come off of my childhood. Okay. All right, look, I can forgive myself for that and let’s try and catch it next time ahead of time. You know, let’s work on preventing that and let’s work on healing that. And that’s that is empowering to realize you have the power to turn off those cancer genes. You have the power to turn on your parasympathetic nervous system.
01:06:38:00 – 01:06:58:05
Nathan Crane
You have the power to activate healing within your mind and within your body. Nobody else is going to do it for you, right? We can try to pay everyone to do it for us. You know, we can get a massage. That’s nice, you know, but you’re not can have someone that can massage you 12 hours a day. So maybe once or twice a week, you know, depending on what you can afford, you know, that massage is going to put you in that parasympathetic.
01:06:58:05 – 01:07:16:11
Nathan Crane
That’s nice. But where do you do the rest of the, you know, hundreds of hours like that’s up to you. You know, what do you to do when you’re sitting in the sauna sweating by yourself? You distract yourself with, you know, television on your phone. You’re going to sit in meditation and actually experience the challenge and move through it.
01:07:16:11 – 01:07:43:11
Nathan Crane
That’s what I love about Qigong as well, is it teaches you to move into and accept and embrace the pain and the challenge you’re experiencing, not to run from it, not to fight it, not to hide it, not to deny it, but to actually move into like I have a big knot in my a tweaked my rib a few weeks back and it just, you know, flared back up again.
01:07:43:19 – 01:07:58:23
Nathan Crane
And one of the one of the postures we do is spinal bone marrow, where you twist all around. And right now it’s like a level eight pain and part of it is, you know, moving into it and breathing into it and accepting it instead of going, oh, no, that hurts. I got to stop. And that’s what we do, right?
01:07:58:23 – 01:08:20:20
Nathan Crane
We pain and we flinch and we stop. But but there very often where the pain we need to move into, if it’s emotional pain, if it’s physical pain, actually, the more we move into it and accept it, the more we can actually allow that energy blockage to be released and allow that trauma to heal and allow the physical to heal as well.
01:08:20:20 – 01:08:38:10
Nathan Crane
We know physical therapy, we’re actually going to, you know, massage it and move into it and move through it. And that’s going to heal it faster versus just sitting here doing nothing. Know. And all the evidence shows that as well as, you know, anyone who’s ever experienced it personally. So I love what you’re saying in that regard that what.
01:08:38:11 – 01:09:05:01
Dr. Toni Galardi
One of the questions to people is how much do you value your freedom? You know, because when you take this on for yourself when you take on the emotional trauma that may have preceded you, either unresolved trauma from childhood or things that happened in the last few years, if you take that on and you’re willing to sit with yourself and breathe into that, just keep going into it with the breath.
01:09:05:02 – 01:09:33:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
Keep going into it with the breath. There’s a space that gets made inside. And when you start to take on your own healing through doing your research or reading, you know, like my book or your books or whatever, and you get a plan and I believe in having a plan, a roadmap. That’s why I wrote this as a roadmap that if you allow to say, I can do this because I want freedom.
01:09:34:07 – 01:09:53:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
I want freedom. And that’s what this gives you is more freedom. One of the things when I was speaking with Veronique, Dr. Desalinate, was we were talking about the fact that, you know, she’s had two bouts of breast cancer and she knows that if she were to have it again, she would have more options than the woman who’s had radiation, you know, you name it.
01:09:53:15 – 01:10:20:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, besides mastectomies has, you know, we have more options to detox that it’s only a symptom. Cancer shows up. It’s a symptom. If I could give everyone in in the world one thing, it would be to desensitize them to the word, because one out of two people are going to get cancer in their lifetime. And it doesn’t mean death and it does it you know, it means something is out of whack.
01:10:20:07 – 01:10:30:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
That’s all. I mean, something’s out of whack, especially in early stage. If it’s zero one or two, this can be reversed through taking this on on the emotional, physical and spiritual level.
01:10:32:06 – 01:10:33:02
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I love it.
01:10:33:13 – 01:10:34:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
How free to.
01:10:35:00 – 01:10:54:21
Nathan Crane
Freedom. Yeah. Do you want freedom? Free. I love freedom for me is like everything. I’m like a freedom freak, if you will. Maybe too extremes sometimes. I want to ask you about addiction. So do you have your own personal journey through addiction or what led you to helping people with addiction?
01:10:55:15 – 01:11:17:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yeah, so I talk about it in my book. My father was a gambler and as a as a teenager, I struggled with food addiction and my, you know, and I knew it was in response to what was out of control in my environment. But one of the things I interviewed 100 women for this book, and the question I asked them was what was what were their views?
01:11:17:03 – 01:11:32:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
One of the questions about their breasts as a teenager and it was astounding to me that the women like myself who had big breasts, had as much shame about their breasts as the women who had small breasts. Wow. You know, so this was.
01:11:32:13 – 01:11:33:24
Nathan Crane
A day to think about from.
01:11:33:24 – 01:11:43:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
The get go. There’s this predisposition in this country at least toward disrespect for the brass. You know.
01:11:44:04 – 01:11:49:19
Nathan Crane
Women are saying come from. Where do you think a shame comes from? From having large breasts? Like where does that come from?
01:11:50:10 – 01:12:26:09
Dr. Toni Galardi
Catcalls. When you walk down the street, guys, you know, construction workers or, you know, guys making fun of you at school for your for your big you know what? And so you learn to hide them. You know, you do all kinds of things. There’s a lot of shame that comes with that or thinking that you’re only being asked out for your boobs, you know, because if guys, when they’re looking at you and they’re looking at your chest, you know, while they’re talking to you, so there’s that whole thing that develops a disrespect for breasts, in my opinion, because I also ask questions about what was your mother’s views on her breasts?
01:12:26:09 – 01:12:52:21
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, and again, these were interviews not just with women who had breast cancer, but all kinds of women every age. The only women who did not have issues with their breasts, interestingly enough, at least my in my data were gay women and women who were athletes. I’m interested having small breasts, served them, you know, gay women that, you know, other gay women don’t care, you know, about.
01:12:53:07 – 01:12:53:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
Your breasts are.
01:12:54:10 – 01:13:12:18
Nathan Crane
So sad that we have a culture that, you know, judges, women. And now, I mean, they’re judgments for men to be in this case were specifically talking about women like it’s sad that we have that and I remember in school yeah that there was you know a lot of that and I’m sure I participated in some of it as a as a teenager.
01:13:12:18 – 01:13:35:14
Nathan Crane
And, you know, one way or the other, like how I don’t know, the disheartening that is. And if we could teach our kids, like how to respect each other and each other’s bodies and each other, you know, and not put people through that shame, you know, it’s because then that shame that you deal with as a kid, then you go into your adult life.
01:13:35:14 – 01:13:52:05
Nathan Crane
And I mean, look at these women that you interviewed and men deal with it as well, where you go into your adult life and you’re still holding on to these self shames where you have such a hard time loving yourself and your body. You know, I’ve got a little fat on my belly and it’s like, Oh, I wonder what people think about that.
01:13:52:05 – 01:14:05:10
Nathan Crane
I don’t look great or whatever. And it’s like, you know, we hold on to this even as adults and think about how negatively that’s affecting our life, you know, just in the background, every single day, talking about freedom that completely takes away your freedom.
01:14:06:12 – 01:14:31:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
You mentioned addiction. And so the other addiction that followed me into adulthood was codependency. And going into a program like Al-Anon, you know, really helped it because obviously eldest child and I had no sisters. I had three younger brothers and was my mother’s assistant basically in trying to deal with this, you know, dysfunction going on with my father’s gambling.
01:14:31:21 – 01:14:56:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I learned at a very young age to be a therapist. I was my mother’s counselor at a young age, and this followed me into adulthood. Of course, that became my perception, you know. But there’s an occupational hazard to that which is being too empathetic. And so, again, to come back to that whole thing about if you give too much, you know that codependency is the deeper addiction, quite frankly.
01:14:57:01 – 01:15:12:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
So a lot of women will say, well, I don’t have I’m not addicted to alcohol or food or yeah, but look at, you know, where your boundaries are and how do you take care of yourself first before other people, because that in and of itself is an addiction.
01:15:13:14 – 01:15:22:05
Nathan Crane
So for you, codependency, like how did that show up in a negative way for you?
01:15:22:05 – 01:15:43:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
I still deal with it. You know, I was I was working, went out to dinner with a friend and at the end of she’s a massage therapist. And at the end of the dinner, she said she talked the whole time and she said, thanks for the session. And she has her own therapist. And I thought to myself, okay, you got to stop this, you know, because you want circular relationships.
01:15:43:02 – 01:16:01:19
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know that that’s what you want to, you know, send out to the universe when it comes to, you know, women in your life. I’m very clear about that. With my male relationships and my my partner, you know, he and I have a very reciprocal kind of relationship where he is genuinely interested in what goes on in my day and on and on.
01:16:01:19 – 01:16:15:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
It’s not just me listening to him, you know, and, and we’re mutually supportive, but that doesn’t mean you don’t do that with your women friends, so it can show up in other other places as well. And, and it’s an occupational hazard of being a therapist in that.
01:16:16:02 – 01:16:44:16
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I bet I, bet because they look at all she’s a therapist so she can, you know, just sit there and listen to me and listen. Elizabeth And then selfishly, unknowingly not realize, like, hey, you’re a human being, too, that needs to share and needs to be heard and needs to, you know, have this reciprocal communication. That’s why I love the word communication, because you break it down comes from communion, which literally means to to to share, to be reciprocal, to be in harmony with each other.
01:16:44:24 – 01:17:09:11
Nathan Crane
And yeah, if it’s just one person, always giving, giving, giving, giving, another person always taking, taking, taking, and there’s no reciprocity, things definitely get out of balance. I, I think that happens to a lot of people who go down a spiritual path. Initially, I know what happened to me. I don’t know if it I mean, you’re saying it did happen to you, but that’s kind of like from your whole life, not just it happened to me spiritually.
01:17:09:11 – 01:17:28:19
Nathan Crane
Like I was like, oh, I went to the opposite extreme. You know, as a teenager, I dealt with addiction extensively, almost to the point of where I died as well multiple times. But then when I found a spiritual path, it was like, Oh, I have to give away everything and serve everybody and not take care of myself and not.
01:17:28:20 – 01:17:45:10
Nathan Crane
And it’s just give, give, give, give, give, give, give until the point where it was like I felt so out of balance and so out of my body and so out of touch with, I think, you know, being grounded that it was like just constant kinds of giving were then like I had nothing, you know, and I was like, I finally had an awakening moment.
01:17:45:10 – 01:18:03:08
Nathan Crane
It was like, you know what? This is a this isn’t working. And I don’t think this is what being in imbalance in our lives is supposed to be like. I think it does need that reciprocity. We need to be able to give. We never will receive as much as we can give and vice versa.
01:18:04:03 – 01:18:30:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
So absolutely. I also think just the world as it is, you know, is in such a state of chaos that as you go out into the world and you’re dealing with people’s frustrations and stress. Right. It’s important to come home and again, clean out clean clothes, your own work field because you don’t know is attached to you. You know, there’s a lot of parasitic energy out there.
01:18:30:06 – 01:18:58:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
People don’t mean to, but they’re overwhelmed. You know, they’re overwhelmed. So they’re out there talking. They’re telling their woes to the cashier at the grocery store while you’re behind them. Right. That can can affect you. You know, all these things that aggregate from a world that’s in tremendous stress and transition. We’re in a big, big transition. So this taking care of yourself by doing emotional and, energetic cleansing at the end of every day is really critical.
01:18:59:10 – 01:19:10:07
Nathan Crane
I love that. And you said you shared that process in your book, how you do it. Is it something you can share? Kind of briefly like overview with us, like what you do.
01:19:10:16 – 01:19:19:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
A simple version that would be to just simply say anyone or anything in my energy field that is not me. Go back to when you came.
01:19:20:19 – 01:19:25:21
Nathan Crane
I love it. I tried to visualize it. Send it away. Yeah, yeah.
01:19:26:13 – 01:19:46:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
And any it has to go by the way I actually do a to step with and then I say anyone or anything attached to my physical body that is not me. Go back to whence you came at. I do that at the end of every day because. I believe that we need to go into sleep surrounded by a cocoon of light.
01:19:46:00 – 01:20:07:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
So that’s what I do. I surround myself in a cocoon of light and that that I’m not taking on the collective. You know, I am very connected as a shaman and as a mystic to the collective unconscious. You know, I have dreams like I had dreams that COVID was coming back and so and I had dreams before 911.
01:20:07:23 – 01:20:22:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, I am connected to the collective unconscious. So I make sure before I go to sleep and we many of us have we’re not even aware that you are. And so it’s important to seal your energy field off before go into sleep.
01:20:22:24 – 01:20:47:09
Nathan Crane
I have a question for you. So and I want to ask you’re like what you think is the best approach for people or maybe how you deal with it. Someone in your life could be a friend, an acquaintance, someone you see often, but they’re like a very negative person, right? And they’re and they’re not meaning to be like to bring you down or whatever.
01:20:47:09 – 01:21:08:05
Nathan Crane
But every time you go visit them or talk to them or whatever, it’s like it’s it’s mostly complaints that come out of their mouth, like pouring, you know, rivers of complaints the whole time when, you know, like, I’ve got someone in my life like that right now and and I think she’s great. And I, you know, like to see her.
01:21:08:05 – 01:21:33:00
Nathan Crane
I want to have conversations with her. But, you know, I see her maybe once a day. I’m not going to tell where or when or whatever, because I don’t want to like point anybody out. But every time I see her, most of the time, it’s like she’s complaining about something, just she just needs to vent. And I’m one of those people that listens wholeheartedly and fully to people when they speak and when they vent.
01:21:33:00 – 01:21:57:02
Nathan Crane
This is a practice I’ve developed over the years, and so people will come to me with their problems and share them openly. Oh, this is someone who does it all the time, 24/7. It’s just her behavior. Now, what I’ve started doing, like with her in particular, and I think I just developed this habit over the years with people when I notice it’s a pattern is I’ll just I’ll just like walk away and continue what I’m doing.
01:21:57:02 – 01:22:09:08
Nathan Crane
I’m like, Oh, okay. I just shake my head and I just start, like, walking away. Like, rather than get into and start asking questions about because normally it’s what I would do. Well, what’s going on with this and what about that and why, you know, why do you feel this way? And that’s like kind of getting like a therapy role.
01:22:10:02 – 01:22:26:18
Nathan Crane
And then the conversation will never end and it’s all complaints the whole time. Instead of doing that, I just kind of listen for a little bit and I’m like, Oh, okay. And then I’ll go over and do my thing and like try to be respectful but not rude, you know, like, that works for me, but I don’t know if that’s the best thing.
01:22:26:18 – 01:22:30:02
Nathan Crane
Like, what do you recommend people do.
01:22:31:00 – 01:22:51:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
With if it’s someone that you evaluate you want in your life? And it’s important to take a look at this, you know, especially if you’re facing breast cancer, you know, or any kind of cancer to take a look at who in my life is a toxin. Okay. And because, you know, what we have found is that there was study done in China.
01:22:52:01 – 01:23:14:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
And the one thing that all the women in the study who had breast cancer had in common was the only thing they had in common. Their diets were varied, their socioeconomic class was varied. The one thing they had in common was a toxic marriage. Okay. So but with a with that, you know that that’s not easy to just leave a relationship.
01:23:14:00 – 01:23:34:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
But if it was with somebody who you evaluate is really I’m not getting anything from this I’m the listener. Then I would take a look at who do I need to eliminate? However, with those people who you feel there’s value, there’s something that I’m receiving that’s reciprocity in some way. Are there in your family or something? You know, this person is.
01:23:34:15 – 01:23:53:13
Nathan Crane
Kind of like kind of like family because we give this we work out the same together. And so I see her almost every day. Right. And there’s a friendly, you know, exchange there. But it’s not like I’m not looking to get something out of it. But I also it’s not something I can, like, completely ignore her either, you know what I mean?
01:23:53:13 – 01:24:03:07
Nathan Crane
It’s just I call her an acquaintance, someone I see every day, you know. So anyway, Good continues. Just be clear. I’m not talking about my wife. There’s somebody at the gym.
01:24:03:07 – 01:24:03:16
Dr. Toni Galardi
I’m here.
01:24:03:18 – 01:24:07:03
Nathan Crane
You just talking about you.
01:24:07:23 – 01:24:28:22
Dr. Toni Galardi
So the technique that I. That I have begun practicing again, forgetting, you know, but practicing again. And I recommend to people to do well, you’re in someone’s space instead of trying to figure out how to help them. You know, and this is I’m talking to somebody who’s a complainer, is to start to, first of all, shift your breath to go inside.
01:24:29:06 – 01:24:57:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
So you’re disconnecting from them, disconnect from them, and go into your higher self and connect with their higher self and simply have as an intention. I am holding this person just internally in your own mind. I am holding this person in the highest potential that is possible for them and that you hold that intention so that you’re listening more to that than you are to whatever the the stuff is that they’re actually spouting.
01:24:57:19 – 01:25:22:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
And that also helps you to not be slimed because when somebody is complaining, if you’re impasse and you take that in, you’re you’re getting slimed, you’re energetic, feel inside. So the way that you prevent yourself from being slimed is by energetically holding yourself in the light, holding them in the light, and then just continuing to chant inside, I hold them in their highest potential.
01:25:22:15 – 01:25:34:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
I hold them in their highest potential. They are their highest potential. They are their highest potential. When you keep chanting that something will shift in the energy because you’re disconnected, you’re disconnected from their story.
01:25:35:16 – 01:26:00:06
Nathan Crane
Interesting. Interesting. I’ll have to try that. That’s really cool. Thank you for sharing that. I also have thought about recently, I’m like, I’m seriously considering like just pulling her aside and like just telling her, you know, being like, Hey, I just want you to know something like, I think you’re a good person. I, you know, enjoy being in the, you know, gym together.
01:26:00:07 – 01:26:19:09
Nathan Crane
I, you know, we train, you know, by each other every day, that kind of stuff. Like, I don’t mind talking to you, etc., etc.. But here’s my perception. My perception is this, right? You complain a lot about a lot of things and I really just don’t want that in my life. I don’t need to hear all of that.
01:26:19:17 – 01:26:30:24
Nathan Crane
I thought about telling or having a conversation with you, but I’m like, Is it going to help her or is it going to like create more of a, you know, create a problem? Like, I don’t know.
01:26:30:24 – 01:26:40:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
I think that if someone is committed to that, you know, that kind of energy, that kind of because it’s an addiction, complaining isn’t a.
01:26:40:06 – 01:26:42:12
Nathan Crane
Yes, it is. Exactly. Yeah.
01:26:43:07 – 01:27:02:13
Dr. Toni Galardi
What they you know, as a guy, she may listen to you as long as I think you say, look I want to I don’t want to alienate you. It is not my intention to push you away. It is more actually so that we have better connection, that I’m sick. Yeah, you know, I want to of person.
01:27:02:21 – 01:27:16:06
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Like, I don’t mind talking to her at all. It’s just like I have no interest in people being in my life that just want to come and complain all day long. Like, I just don’t have an interest in having that energy around me, you know? It’s like, no, thank you. I don’t need it.
01:27:17:08 – 01:27:35:10
Dr. Toni Galardi
So practices see what happens. But I think that if you hold someone in their higher self practice, practice doing that with, with somebody who you love, you know, who you trust enough that if they’re their complaining mode practice just seeing them in their full potential and see if any shifts in the energy.
01:27:35:17 – 01:28:22:17
Nathan Crane
Because you’re just I got a few people I could work I could do that with. Like I said, I got some good marching orders now. That’s awesome. All right, I’ll. Well, I will try that. Thank you. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, I think that’s important, though, that we you know, I learned to set boundaries years ago, and it’s like those boundaries can, you know, become open because it’s like I care about when you care about people, when you want to help people, when you feel service to humanity, to others, when you know it’s part of your life purpose to help awaken and help guide and help teach and and help, you know, share good things
01:28:22:17 – 01:28:37:02
Nathan Crane
with people so they can live a better life like you. I think you become more open to a lot of those situations. And so at some point it’s like, yeah, you do have to set some boundaries, otherwise you just get totally swamped and taken over.
01:28:38:16 – 01:28:54:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
And boundary setting takes many different forms. That’s what I was saying. Some of it is the interaction with someone, some of it when you go out into the world. As I said, it’s a chaotic world out there. But if you surround yourself in light, I loved it when we had to be six feet apart in a group grocery store.
01:28:55:01 – 01:28:57:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
Really what you can do is you can exercise.
01:28:58:08 – 01:28:59:10
Nathan Crane
I thought I was so stupid.
01:29:00:03 – 01:29:29:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yeah, I know, I know. Yes. What? You can extend your energy field six feet in every direction and. Yeah. And you’re filled with light your quantum it expands. Right. That’s cool. So but if you go into the world with that like I’m in, my intention is to go into the world with in this orb of light, then then the orb is what’s going to actually absorb, absorb, orb, the toxin of emotions out there in the world.
01:29:29:09 – 01:29:45:20
Nathan Crane
Somebody who’s very empathic like yourself. I could imagine that Six Feet Apart actually was probably really like amazing. Like, like, hey, I’m not taking on all these people people’s energy. 20 4:07 a.m. I actually have some space when I’m out in public? I bet that was actually pretty nice.
01:29:45:20 – 01:29:58:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yes. But again, you know, as I said, if you do this exercise before you go out and you clean your field when you come home, it’s easy around people to be close to people mean I’m a very affectionate person. I’m Italian. So, you.
01:29:58:21 – 01:29:59:06
Nathan Crane
Know.
01:29:59:18 – 01:30:02:11
Dr. Toni Galardi
Of hugging and touching people when I’m in public.
01:30:02:11 – 01:30:02:17
Nathan Crane
Like.
01:30:03:18 – 01:30:26:04
Nathan Crane
Do you do you think if someone like hates being around a lot of people that they could be empathic and they don’t know it? Yeah, some of it’s like, I mean, I’m thinking of somebody I know who’s like they absolutely, like, hate going to places where there’s a lot of people they just like and it’s like it’s a loathing thing where they just can’t stand it for too long.
01:30:26:04 – 01:30:48:20
Nathan Crane
They get overwhelmed and I’m like, I need my space, my private space. Like I need. I’m a I’m a man. I need my cave, right? Like anyone who’s studied John, you know, Mars for men and women are from Venus Gray, John Gray’s work like I think he’s spot on with that. It’s like the men we need to go back to our cave and like that’s how we regenerate.
01:30:48:20 – 01:31:06:08
Nathan Crane
And there’s different ways that we do it 100%. But I also really enjoy being out in public and being around other people and having conversations at the gym and at the beach and things like that and people watching. I enjoy it. Like I don’t ever feel like I hate so many people, but I also need my privacy, like my backyard.
01:31:06:08 – 01:31:22:17
Nathan Crane
Like I don’t want to see people walking around when I’m in my backyard naked, laying by my pool. You know what I mean? Like I want sunshine, I want privacy. But I also don’t have a problem going out and being around people where this person is like they need privacy. They but they also hate being around other people.
01:31:22:17 – 01:31:26:05
Nathan Crane
And I’m and I’m thinking I’m like, I wonder if they’re just like an empath and don’t know it.
01:31:27:20 – 01:31:28:14
Dr. Toni Galardi
I sensitive.
01:31:28:18 – 01:31:29:21
Nathan Crane
Yeah think so.
01:31:31:08 – 01:31:39:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
It’s very possible because anyone who goes out and is inundated, you know, by the energies of other people is highly sensitive. No question.
01:31:40:08 – 01:31:40:14
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
01:31:40:24 – 01:32:01:13
Nathan Crane
I might have to. I might have to talk to him about that. Anyway, this has been awesome. Tony, thank you so much for reaching out. And thank you for your, you know, really kind words and congratulations on, you know, just your own personal healing journey and the work you’ve done, obviously, for a long time as a therapist helping people.
01:32:01:13 – 01:32:12:14
Nathan Crane
But now really diving in and helping women with breast cancer. I know you’ve got your new book that just came out for Breast Quake, right? Where can people get a copy of that?
01:32:13:17 – 01:32:29:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
Amazon, Barnes and Noble? I’m actually going to be doing some programs so people can come to the website breast quake dot com. You know, I also have life quakecon so there’s free things that people will get from coming to the website.
01:32:29:24 – 01:32:46:05
Nathan Crane
So it took me a little bit to I was a little slow when I first saw the titles, took me a little bit to realize like, oh, like earthquake. It’s, I didn’t get it first. I was like, Quake, what does she mean by quake? I don’t know. I think my brain was overloaded when I first saw your books, but I could.
01:32:46:12 – 01:32:54:11
Dr. Toni Galardi
Get my my interpretation of of a life quake is the awakening into the soul waking up to who it really is. You know.
01:32:54:12 – 01:33:13:10
Nathan Crane
You know, in the breast quake, it is I mean, a cancer diagnosis. The hundreds of cancer patients I’ve met and talked to over the years, it is like an earthquake in your life. So I think that’s a that’s a great title, actually. And the fact that you’re sharing hope and solutions with people, I think is. Awesome. So thanks.
01:33:13:10 – 01:33:18:12
Nathan Crane
Appreciate it and great to get to know you more. Awesome. Thanks for being on the podcast.
01:33:19:13 – 01:33:22:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
Thank you, Nathan. It’s so much fun being on your show.
01:33:23:16 – 01:33:24:06
Nathan Crane
Awesome.
01:33:24:09 – 01:33:25:17
Nathan Crane
All right. And my pleasure.
01:33:25:23 – 01:33:26:17
Nathan Crane
Take care, everybody.