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00:00:00:00 – 00:00:28:15
Nathan Crane
Everybody, welcome back to the podcast. I am excited to have a longtime friend, Dr. Gabriel Cousens, here with us. Somebody I’ve known for probably over a decade now who’s spoken at my conferences, who’s been to our retreats, who has been somebody. I’ve interviewed many, many times. He’s a someone I look up to and have learned a lot from, and he’s helped thousands and thousands of thousands of patients around the world.
00:00:28:16 – 00:00:53:19
Nathan Crane
He is a medical doctor. He’s a diplomat of American board of Integrative Holistic Medicine. Diplomat of are you Veda? He’s a mystic visionary. He’s a renowned world spiritual teacher. And he is a founder of the Holistic Liberation Way and the Tree of Life Foundation. He’s a prolific, bestselling author and and is living in Israel right now. So I’m looking forward to this conversation.
00:00:54:15 – 00:01:17:05
Nathan Crane
We’re going to dove into a lot of really interesting topics. Talk a little bit about the war and what’s happening there. Talk about and his perspective on it and a spiritual perspective about it. We’re going to talk about the life, food, vegan diet. Dr. Cousen’s been a life food vegan, raw, vegan, thriving, raw vegan. For how long? Like 40 plus years.
00:01:17:10 – 00:01:19:21
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Both different. 40 plus years.
00:01:19:21 – 00:01:40:14
Nathan Crane
40 plus years. I think last time I talked to you, you were still able to do, like 100 pull ups in a row or something like that, very, you know, strong and fit and healthy and thriving into his later years. And so, anyway, Gabriel, welcome to the podcast. Super, super excited to have you here for this conversation.
00:01:41:11 – 00:02:04:14
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Listen, it’s a joy to be here. It’s good to see you. And what I’d like to do in starting a show off is a prayer that merges the heart of the mind, the heavens and the earth, which is kind of our task. Everybody has this task. So I’m just going to say this prayer and then let people integrate the heart mind as we say we should be cool.
00:02:04:14 – 00:02:17:13
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Could have shall be who unity be you you. I had to do the work the initial close real cool of it. So feel that merging of heart, heaven and earth.
00:02:17:16 – 00:02:34:15
Nathan Crane
Beautiful. Yeah. I thank you for that. You know, I’ve been practicing qigong for a number of years now, and that’s one of the core practices of qigong is to connect, you know, the human as being the vessel, the connector of the of the heavens and the earth. Right? Exactly.
00:02:34:20 – 00:02:35:10
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Exactly.
00:02:35:20 – 00:02:39:09
Nathan Crane
It’s a similar. Now, where was that? Where is that prayer from? What tradition?
00:02:39:23 – 00:02:46:10
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Well, that actually is. It’s part of the prayer service in the Hebrew tradition.
00:02:46:19 – 00:02:52:12
Nathan Crane
Mm. Beautiful. Now, you’re also a master teacher of the scenes, aren’t you?
00:02:52:13 – 00:02:52:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yes.
00:02:53:05 – 00:02:54:13
Nathan Crane
If I remember correctly, I’ve been.
00:02:55:02 – 00:02:57:20
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
You can call it a scene prayer. That that’d be pretty accurate.
00:02:57:24 – 00:03:16:21
Nathan Crane
So the scenes are really interesting. I’ve been you know, I’ve I’ve read the book a number of books about the scenes and actually have been I used to do Native American sweat lodges on a property where they were practicing as scenes in a scene spiritual community in San Diego. This was like 15 years ago.
00:03:17:01 – 00:03:27:00
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
I actually know that I am a Native American Sun dancer and we did some warm ups on that property really?
00:03:27:00 – 00:03:27:09
Nathan Crane
That’s not.
00:03:27:10 – 00:03:27:22
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Serious.
00:03:28:08 – 00:03:52:14
Nathan Crane
That’s amazing. It was incredible, though. I mean, some of the most some of the most, you know, conscious awakening, spiritual experiences I ever had were coming out of the sweat lodges at that at that a scene property in like I remember one sweat lodge coming out and I literally felt like I was born brand new, like I was a brand new baby born human being, seeing the world for the first time.
00:03:52:14 – 00:04:12:21
Nathan Crane
And it was it was so transformative. The trees were vibrating. Of course, there was no no psychedelics, no cannabis. None of that stuff is allowed in traditional sweat lodges. Right? Like traditional table scales. That stuff’s not allowed. But you feel like you come out of it the the chanting and the in the music and the and the fire and herbs and the heat.
00:04:12:21 – 00:04:34:11
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Come out of it and it’s like you are transformed as a, as a human being and the trees are vibrating. I could see the energy, you know, I was having deep conversations with people and we weren’t even speaking. Our mouths weren’t moving. It was it was wild but but so incredible. And so that’s now when did you originally get your training in the in the Assyrians?
00:04:34:11 – 00:04:37:01
Nathan Crane
Because it’s such a beautiful spiritual tradition.
00:04:37:14 – 00:04:43:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Well, it’s many years ago, but I’ll just talk about that. Nippy is what we call it and.
00:04:43:19 – 00:04:45:15
Nathan Crane
The be exactly Lakota.
00:04:45:15 – 00:05:12:24
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
The hippie is a womb. So when you come out, you’re getting reborn. They had a perfect understanding. I mean, as a four year old dancer, I’ve been empowered to lead any piece. So it’s a very important ceremony in terms of helping people wake up and get that rebirth, energy and feel the oneness, because in anything, you do feel the wind.
00:05:13:06 – 00:05:14:01
Nathan Crane
Yeah, absolutely.
00:05:15:17 – 00:05:29:08
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And irony, these are also without drugs. I’m part of the high horse clan, actually adapted and adapted to high horse Clint and no drugs.
00:05:30:03 – 00:06:01:12
Nathan Crane
How did that happen? Because that is so rare for a you know, anybody outside of a Native American tribe to be one. Like, even for me as a white guy, to be welcomed into these neeps and these, you know, traditional ceremonies is is a blessing. And it’s not it’s not a very common thing. But then to be adapted into an actual tribe, into an actual clan and be a you know, empowered to lead in Neeps sweat lodges is like that’s a whole other level.
00:06:02:04 – 00:06:04:06
Nathan Crane
I’d love to hear the story behind that. How did that happen?
00:06:05:14 – 00:06:43:14
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Well, I really began training, but the way I trained is to go look, is to do so to to become a a real sun dancer for years. Right. Okay. And my style was such that here’s this guy and he doesn’t. And traditionally you don’t eat or drink for four days traditionally. But they notice that I was the only one of the group who who is able to do that.
00:06:44:22 – 00:07:05:19
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So that piqued everybody’s interest. You know, we had about 80 some dancers. Okay. And then in the final year, we have what’s called an eagle dance. I did the eagle dance. Other people do the Sundance. And there you stand, hook to the tree.
00:07:06:08 – 00:07:08:22
Nathan Crane
With the with the giant hooks. Right.
00:07:09:16 – 00:07:12:15
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. Well, I can show you and see what you got.
00:07:12:15 – 00:07:14:09
Nathan Crane
The scars. Yeah, yeah, I’ve seen the scars.
00:07:14:09 – 00:07:17:19
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
They’re crazy. I got this.
00:07:17:19 – 00:07:40:13
Nathan Crane
You’re going to see his scars. Yeah. Sundance, by the way, for people don’t know, it is a profound spiritual experience. I haven’t done the full four days, fasted and then the commit to the, you know, the four years. But I’ve been invited to Sundance and, you know, was a part of one for a day the the need be at night and the Sundance during the day and it was it was powerful.
00:07:40:24 – 00:07:46:05
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So this is the pegs the puts that your chest on both sides.
00:07:46:11 – 00:07:48:07
Nathan Crane
Oh yeah yeah. Those are brutal.
00:07:48:07 – 00:08:19:16
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
These pegs then that you’re hooked to the tree. Okay. So that’s what they put through they do to cuts it inside to now in the Iggulden. So usually you just do this the last day or signal last day where you get that and you have it. But the eagle dance, you do it for four days, no food for it, you stand for four days, sunrise to sunset.
00:08:21:02 – 00:08:35:06
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And maybe it’s because of the life food. I think they’ll help. But you know, basically I was the only one. The stand for four days from sunrise, sunset. You don’t leave the circle, you’re hooked to the tree for 24 hours a day.
00:08:36:01 – 00:08:38:15
Nathan Crane
You don’t you don’t lay down to sleep at night. You stand for.
00:08:38:16 – 00:08:40:19
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
What do you do? Lay down and sleep at night on the ground.
00:08:41:07 – 00:08:45:04
Nathan Crane
Sunrise or sunset? You were standing hooked to the tree, hanging.
00:08:45:07 – 00:09:12:12
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
You know, you’re you’re hooked to the tree for 24 hours a day that you stand from sunrise to sunset. You dancing, in other words. Yeah. And so I was the only one really to do that. I was age of 60 at that point. Most of the people were in their twenties. So here’s this guy who, you know, is dancing.
00:09:13:05 – 00:09:29:01
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And I was only really to make it to the whole thing without leaving the circle and hook to the tree. So in the native American way, those things earn a certain amount of respect. I wasn’t trying to do it. I was actually having a good time. I like to dance. It’s good. Okay, so.
00:09:29:19 – 00:09:36:05
Nathan Crane
What about the I mean, what about the the being hooked to the tree? I mean, isn’t that painful?
00:09:38:13 – 00:10:02:24
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Well, it’s a relative thing. I wouldn’t call it. Look, they have to put two cuts in. You to cut, then you stick that stick through like I was showing. And of course, that’s not the most comfortable. Right. But it’s okay. It wasn’t that painful, being honest with you. And then at the end you have to jerk back in.
00:10:02:24 – 00:10:03:19
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
It pulls out.
00:10:04:05 – 00:10:05:22
Nathan Crane
Rips them out.
00:10:05:22 – 00:10:06:05
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah.
00:10:06:12 – 00:10:08:01
Nathan Crane
So that had to be painful.
00:10:08:11 – 00:10:23:13
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. It looks like bullet holes, right. It’s that big. And I just. I just jerked back and actually did a somersault backwards.
00:10:24:10 – 00:10:33:12
Nathan Crane
Why? Why, why the why the hooks. I mean, I have I have like a slight understanding of it. But why why the hooks, why the hook to the tree?
00:10:34:15 – 00:11:00:24
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Well, you know, we never quite had a full explanation, to be honest. The idea is you are committed. You are making a sacrifice for the tribe. Mm. Think that way. You’re making a sacrifice for the tribe. And, you know, we we go. We go hunt the tree, cut it down, we put in a bigger dig hole. We put it up and get it, you know.
00:11:01:07 – 00:11:17:03
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And so you’re connected to nature. It’s a real commitment. And with the hooks, I mean, you’re not going to leave. You’ve made a commitment. So that’s what the best I understand that, to be honest with you.
00:11:17:10 – 00:11:42:00
Nathan Crane
Now, is there a sense now now the fasting for four days and the dancing and all of that? I mean, it’s it’s a physical, physical toll. You’ll definitely experience, you know, ecstasy and suffering through that. Right. The suffering part is, oh, isn’t that isn’t the suffering part of what’s needed to elevate and raise to a higher level of of consciousness and awareness?
00:11:42:01 – 00:12:03:14
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Well, it’s an interesting question. The focus was now on suffering in a one of my Sundance brothers who had already done this for years and was kind of the marshal for the thing, he looked at me and I was smiling. And this is like, yeah, you’re having a good time. The truth is, I was having a good time.
00:12:03:14 – 00:12:32:07
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
I can’t say I really suffer. That would be unfair. I can say pulling in. I wasn’t so comfortable and getting cut. So I have four scars in each. Right here for here. For here with a penguin. Do you know where this will be? Mm hmm. And then the rope is tied to it, so. But really, you go into an altered state, so I can’t tell you that, honestly, I was suffering, you know?
00:12:33:01 – 00:12:55:14
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yes. Was it painful when you have to cut the thing? Yeah. Okay. When you break loose. Yeah. Not the most of people. I kind of made a scene because I did this backflip. People say I did. I think I did the decision myself. I can’t tell you’re in an altered state. Yeah, that’s the thing. And so you’re making a sacrifice for all humanity.
00:12:55:14 – 00:13:22:22
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
You’re making sacrifice for your tribe, and you’re just immersed in it. And you’re dancing or dancing just the spiritual energy you’re moving, you know? Now, again, I will say this probably part where I got to adapt. I didn’t ask to get adopted, they just adopted me. And it’s kind of like sat me down after dance and you adopted me.
00:13:23:02 – 00:13:51:08
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Okay. But but it it’s a sacrifice for humanity, you know? And you’re dancing for humanity. You’re dancing for life in the tree nature. You’re becoming one with nature. That’s how I see it. Now, people may have different interpretations, but I think that’s a pretty decent way to understand it. Yeah.
00:13:52:02 – 00:14:13:12
Nathan Crane
Yeah. You know, when I did, I was with some hippie friends back in San Diego many years ago, and we were they’re like, Yeah, we’re going to Mexico. I was like, If you want to go, I was like, Sure. And we jumped. I jumped in and I knew it was going to be a spiritual adventure. And we drove across the border and then we ended up basically the Sundance, this indigenous tribe in Mexico.
00:14:13:12 – 00:14:31:23
Nathan Crane
And, you know, they only spoke Spanish. And so I don’t know exactly what tribe they were, but it was similar traditions to the Lakota Sioux. But they were a different tribe. And and yeah, they welcomed me in, you know, that day. And basically I was eating just the wild plants that we could find. And and that was about it.
00:14:31:23 – 00:14:55:20
Nathan Crane
And then, you know, dance all day. And I remember they had like the coyote, right? The coyote person come out, come to offer water and like, I didn’t know anything about anything I was doing. I didn’t know the history of that time, the tradition, the anything. I just got invited and showed up and they’re like, Go dance. And you’re barefoot on the on the sand and dirt and, you know, just and I just got into that altered state of just, like, pure bliss and dancing.
00:14:55:20 – 00:15:08:11
Nathan Crane
And I just knew this, you know, dance are coming out offering me water was like it was I could sense it was like a trick like don’t don’t take the water, you know, it’s like just just be.
00:15:08:11 – 00:15:10:23
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
That’s why they call it is they call coyotes.
00:15:11:02 – 00:15:28:02
Nathan Crane
Yeah. It’s like the tricksters the tricksters in life to come and try and tempt you. Like you go on to a ten day fast or a juice cleanse or something. And every time I ever do a cleanse or a fast, it’s like my favorite meal shows up, you know, that hasn’t been cooked in like six months. For some reason.
00:15:28:02 – 00:15:43:20
Nathan Crane
It gets cooked at that time. It’s it’s the coyote that’s tempting you to like. Are you committed? Are you really committed to your health and what you’re doing? Are you going to give in or are you going to be weak? Are you going to eat this food? And it’s like it’s a mental it’s a mind game, you know?
00:15:43:22 – 00:15:44:04
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
00:15:45:05 – 00:16:17:04
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Is the whole thing. You’re making a sacrifice for your tribe, for humanity, and there’s lots of temptations to throw you off into the coyote place, you know? But I have to be honest, I just really had a good time, remember? That’s me. I don’t have a problem with our food and water. For four days. It wasn’t an issue and they did let people drink, you know, if they needed to do it.
00:16:18:01 – 00:16:24:02
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
But I was really the only one to go without food, water for four days, for four years.
00:16:24:02 – 00:16:27:03
Nathan Crane
And yet I do fasted quite a bit before then as well.
00:16:28:00 – 00:16:29:13
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:16:30:06 – 00:16:31:02
Nathan Crane
Yeah. I’m sure that.
00:16:31:05 – 00:16:47:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah, yeah. So I and they so this is about late 1998, 99 know this for years, you know, I did a 40 day fence in 1983.
00:16:48:19 – 00:16:51:07
Nathan Crane
40 day water fasts or drive fast.
00:16:52:06 – 00:16:54:14
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Or water to induce.
00:16:54:20 – 00:17:13:20
Nathan Crane
Water just fast. Wow. 40 days. That’s pretty epic. You know, I’ve a lot of my doctor friends, you know, functional medicine practitioners, you might actually have stories of your own, have had cancer patients. Even stage four cancer patients go on a 30 day water fast and then their cancer is gone after 30 days. Right.
00:17:14:04 – 00:17:31:11
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And actually down in San Diego, a few clinics do that. Right. So, you know, but I was just doing it to have the experience to understand what this is about. It was mentioned, believe it or not, it was no first fast.
00:17:32:09 – 00:17:42:17
Nathan Crane
Your first fast was 40 days. My first of five. My versus five days. 40 days is crazy.
00:17:42:17 – 00:17:46:20
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
You know, there’s just a way if I’m going to learn about fasting, I should just do it.
00:17:46:22 – 00:17:48:14
Nathan Crane
Go all in right here. Yeah.
00:17:49:01 – 00:18:00:19
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
It’s a style, you know. Yeah. They with the Sundance. I mean, they wanted you to be with, you know, watch it and say, no way. I mean, that’s awesome.
00:18:01:15 – 00:18:25:22
Nathan Crane
So I want to I want to hear your perspectives on the scenes. And can you talk a little bit about people who don’t know who these scenes are, their timeline? Because I know the history of the scenes goes back even from what I read, like somewhere between 408 hundred BCE, you know, 800 years before Christ, you know, all the way up until modern day, there are still some practicing as scenes today.
00:18:26:07 – 00:18:45:15
Nathan Crane
But and even there’s, you know, beliefs and writings and historians that believe, you know, Jesus came from the scenes. A lot of what he taught was what he learned from the scene traditions. I don’t know what you’re. Can you talk a little bit about that? You’re really interested in the scenes? I think the teachings I’ve been reading about, it’s incredible.
00:18:46:08 – 00:19:28:05
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So the first mention of the scene kind of historically is about 500, 600 B.C. And it said that Pythagoras fasted with the scenes in the coming months, which is close to where I was okay. And after it was a 40 day fast, it was a water trance. And he came down enlightened and then Pythagoras then took we’ll go back to the sense that he took these teachings and he began teaching fasting.
00:19:28:05 – 00:19:43:17
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And as you know, the Greeks did a lot of fasting. They so that was his scenes. He was with the scenes and he was in that training. So that’s our first real historical evidence. Okay.
00:19:43:23 – 00:19:50:04
Nathan Crane
And does he are his writings like how do we know he was with these scenes? Like what evidence do we have?
00:19:50:04 – 00:20:21:02
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
It’s a historical, historical thing from his writings that seem of the seed writings. To him, it’s it’s kind of nobody disputes that. They put it that way. And it’s probably from his writings, I read it in a variety of different places. So the the scenes were, in a sense, created a lifestyle that led to liberation. They didn’t use those words, okay?
00:20:21:21 – 00:20:55:05
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
It was a very pure lifestyle. And they’re also warriors. Most people think they’re peaceniks, but they were that when they were fighting the Greco. ROMANS And when 67 B.C., these scenes joined with the Maccabees to fight them because it was challenging their whole way of life, you know, it was challenging their spiritual way of life. And so they were warriors, too.
00:20:55:05 – 00:20:59:21
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
A lot of people don’t know that. They just idealize him as being for peace.
00:20:59:21 – 00:21:00:18
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I didn’t know that.
00:21:01:12 – 00:21:30:24
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And these scenes would carry a sword. And in every tone, they were all over the Middle East, they were in Damascus, they were in Lake Mary, Alice, and in Egypt they were just the whole region. Okay. It’s important to understand that. And so wherever there was the village, there was an scene house. And so they would stay with their own guide to to speak.
00:21:31:20 – 00:22:10:17
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Now, their inner core. Inner inner core was like food. Their moderate core was vegan. Well, actually vegan vegetarian food in those are the kind of the different levels of core. Now, they had places again throughout. Most people think that’s it the Dead Sea. Well who run is was a one of the places and who run existed again before it was B.C. great.
00:22:11:07 – 00:22:46:08
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And it was conquered different ways by the Greeks, by the world was a different war by the Romans with the scene still existed. Now they broke their life down into a kind of study, so they would study 4 hours a day, meditate and do that and do service. And they’re also doing this healers. They’re also mystics. And they also are known perhaps for their prophecy.
00:22:46:08 – 00:22:49:14
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
They prophesized. Pretty much everything we see happening.
00:22:50:08 – 00:22:57:21
Nathan Crane
Is a question about the scenes being, you know, raw vegan or vegan or vegetarian.
00:22:58:16 – 00:23:00:10
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
The inner core. Inner core, not.
00:23:00:10 – 00:23:08:01
Nathan Crane
Everybody inner core. So like how how do we know that? Like, where does that come from? You know.
00:23:08:21 – 00:23:13:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
There are documents. There are lot of lots of records.
00:23:13:18 – 00:23:34:24
Nathan Crane
So I know a lot of the records we have of like the scenes are from the Dead Sea Scrolls. Right. They were found in Qumran in the cave, I think was the cave of Qumran. Right. Okay. 60 years ago. Yeah. Multiple caves. Are there other writings from the scenes that we that we have that you know, of or, you know, the Dead Sea Scrolls?
00:23:36:02 – 00:24:02:20
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
It’s mostly the Dead Sea Scrolls, Dr. Saket, who actually was based a little bit in in San Diego, you know, wrote a lot about them, too. And he got his history a different way. He it’s a sea that’s a little piece of wood. Two, three and four. And there’s actually a lot of people who wrote written about them historically.
00:24:03:03 – 00:24:23:21
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And that’s why I say the inner core. You there were I think it’s safe to say, vegetarians, a lot of people had dairy that your B12, your bacteria and so forth. But the inner core didn’t. So they had evolved to a place where they they wouldn’t read that.
00:24:24:11 – 00:24:34:05
Nathan Crane
Know they didn’t it was basically not one of their teachings that I’ve read is like they don’t eat animal flesh is how it was worded for sure.
00:24:34:11 – 00:25:24:08
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
But but it’s dairy is not animal flesh. Right. Sorry. This everybody. Mm hmm. Now, they were really mystic. So what do we mean? They were mystics? Well, they predicted pretty much everything that’s going on today. They talked about World War One or two. They talked about Israel being exiled, then coming back pretty much with the dates we’ve seen 2017, 24, 1948, 1917, 1948.
00:25:24:08 – 00:25:55:07
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And then also this year, the 2024, 2025, they predicted we will begin the transition into the thousand years of peace, and they predicted that will start. And that’s how we understand what’s going on with all the wars and all that around the world. We don’t want to think that Hamas, Israel thinks the only thing happening. It just isn’t true but around the world.
00:25:55:07 – 00:26:29:03
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So they predicted and they actually predicted spring 2025 will be a 50 year transition into this thousand years of peace. But they predicted when Israel will be exiled, you know, you know, at the time of Jesus, they predicted the coming of Jesus in predicted and the crucifixion. They Jesus wasn’t it was not insane. He was very friendly with these seeds.
00:26:29:14 – 00:26:51:05
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
John the Baptist. His causes, as far as I know, was the new seed. And where he was baptized was right around the corner of the Dead Sea. I’ve been there, you know, and you can go in the water. They make it quick. I just went somewhere else and just did on some of the quotes because that’s how you do things.
00:26:51:21 – 00:27:35:10
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So the so all that really did happen historically and because there are mystics, but they also had the power of prophecy. And I want to point that out again. They’ve made a series of very accurate predictions, which is what’s going on today is part of that. But in 2025 there’ll be like seven year cycles in the tribulation. So people think it’s no good now with all that’s going on, but it’s more true if you know, the next year or two, then it’s really going to go into the seven years of tribulation.
00:27:36:20 – 00:28:14:12
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
The seeds wrote this they predicted or they predicted it. They say the birth of Jesus. They said it also when he was crucified. They did the whole thing for and that would be a way of understanding that they they were prophetic mystics and they did a lot of mixes. It becomes a ceremonial bath. We do with some of the clothes you go in, you let everything loose.
00:28:15:01 – 00:28:31:11
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
You let go of all your negativities and all that they tend to do. When you go to Cuba, it’s like four mix runs in this small space and how they so they’re constantly doing because they did it paid a lot of attention to what I would call.
00:28:33:14 – 00:28:34:09
Nathan Crane
Mikvah like.
00:28:34:17 – 00:28:37:11
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Hygiene. It’s a bath, a ritual bath.
00:28:37:11 – 00:28:38:12
Nathan Crane
A ritual baths, right.
00:28:39:06 – 00:29:01:17
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Where you go in without any clothes and you don’t touch the bottom. You’re actually like, as if you’re in the womb. Mm. Okay. Well they would have seven steps down. I mean I’ve been there a bunch of times, seven steps down and then you would do it and you just don’t touch the bottom. And so they would do that several times a day.
00:29:01:17 – 00:29:18:20
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
They were focused a lot on cleanliness, which included where they went to the bathroom with all of us to hide from for good. It was like a thousand yards away. Hmm. So there was a particular place where you would go tomorrow.
00:29:19:11 – 00:29:25:06
Nathan Crane
You couldn’t keep it away from where you live and where you bath and where you where you eat. It’s pretty intelligent.
00:29:25:22 – 00:29:54:00
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. Yeah. So they had a sense of targeted. They would. This is all desert, so they would vary it. Yeah. Now they’re also caves where people found the scrolls. I’ve been in them, they don’t let you go anymore. But this is years ago when I was there and 1990s, you know, sort of like that. And one cave which is right above you, you got to climb up.
00:29:54:00 – 00:30:20:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Okay, so that we took a whole group and in the cave when we all did, it was like C-sharp to somehow people with good ears, they could do a C-sharp. It was the same pitches in the pyramid. You know where you go in the Kings pyramid, you know.
00:30:21:08 – 00:30:22:23
Nathan Crane
They measured the frequency of it.
00:30:23:13 – 00:30:27:07
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. So that was kind of remarkable.
00:30:27:07 – 00:30:27:22
Nathan Crane
Interesting.
00:30:29:04 – 00:30:35:12
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
But there are more, more than one case. There’s a bunch of kids to the squirrels in all different places.
00:30:35:12 – 00:30:45:10
Nathan Crane
And now Qumran, the caves are in there by the West Bank of Israel. Right. So right.
00:30:45:10 – 00:30:49:20
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Qumran is on the West Bank, too.
00:30:50:14 – 00:30:50:19
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
00:30:50:19 – 00:31:23:21
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Qumran, that’s where we look at. So the caves, the understand the Qumran going up to the cave is is I no. 100 yards. It’s just huge cover. And there’s that cave. So it’s about maybe a hundred yards away, maybe less. And then you have to climb up. That makes sense. Mm hmm. So they’re not really separate. I mean, the main caves are not separate.
00:31:25:04 – 00:31:30:11
Nathan Crane
So they’re not separate from the West Bank, is what you’re saying. They’re part of West Bank.
00:31:30:23 – 00:31:32:06
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
The whole area.
00:31:32:13 – 00:31:33:18
Nathan Crane
Is West Bank. Gotcha.
00:31:34:08 – 00:32:06:07
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. We don’t use that term in Judea and Samaria. That’s what we’re talking about. Mm. Just the way the Jagger tree is cut. Okay, now I have the Jordan River coming down and I have to tell you, it’s a little confusing to me. The Jordan River divides, you know, in one side is Jordan. So where Jesus took his mikvah with John the Baptist, that’s a borderline.
00:32:08:01 – 00:32:38:00
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
It’s right there. But I guess the way it was carved out, it technically, I would say technically is in Judea, Samaria practically, there’s one road it kind of goes down and it is it’s considered Israel proper, but technically it is Judaism that makes sense.
00:32:40:21 – 00:32:54:09
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
But people don’t treat it that way. It is part of Israel goes just this road you go down, but you don’t get that far down. It’s a long it’s along the Dead Sea.
00:32:56:04 – 00:33:21:20
Nathan Crane
One of the other things I have really enjoyed learning about with the scenes lately is their spiritual practices like the morning, like have practices for every day of the week, you know, the Sabbath. And then they have the thing called the Great Sabbath, which is like every seven Sabbath. And there’s, you know, in the morning practices, the noon practices, the the evening practices, basically the spiritual practices.
00:33:21:20 – 00:34:06:08
Nathan Crane
It’s like the meditation. And each each one has a very specific focus and connection of peace, focus on peace, peace with, you know, like your body, peace with the earth, peace with community. And so there’s these specific kind of meditative type practices that you do in the morning at noon and at night. And I’ve been, you know, kind of practicing them little by little, as I do, you know, my own kind of qigong practice, which has very similar aspects of what the scenes are practicing and I find it really powerful and like such a beautiful practice to, to implement, to think about, to meditate on, to visualize.
00:34:06:08 – 00:34:33:24
Nathan Crane
Because any time we can focus on peace, peace in ourselves and our lives, peace for the world, the planet, peace for our families, for community. You know, I think we learn as you talk about spiritual liberation, you know, liberating ourselves beyond the anger, the resentment, the fear, the jealousy, these kind of lower vibration energies that keep us stuck in afraid and in feeling terrible in our lives.
00:34:35:00 – 00:34:37:15
Nathan Crane
And I find those practices to be actually really powerful.
00:34:38:05 – 00:35:13:05
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. So so what I’m going to say this is she’s left the basically Temple Mount because they they there are three groups. There’s the seamstresses and Sadducees. The Pharisees were still doing animal sacrifice that didn’t work for these kids. So they learned how far is it you use them? Maybe 45 minutes. A car that far away. But you have to go over mine.
00:35:13:15 – 00:35:41:19
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Then you don’t get water, but twice a year it rains. And when it rains, it floods. So actually that’s why literally you go up to the the case anymore. I’m going to get to your point. I’m just sharing a little bit more because these floods have come and people have drowned. They get washed away because the floods are very strong and flood in the desert only rains twice a year is a powerful event.
00:35:43:11 – 00:36:14:11
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Okay. And all their systems would get filled up from those floods. It would happen twice a year. So they had a lot of system to hold the water. So their big thing is collection of water because the Dead Sea is very salty. I mean, really. So I mean, I’ve been swimming in a it’s okay you float, you know, but you don’t open your eyes under the water is very uncomfortable.
00:36:15:23 – 00:36:46:07
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Okay. That being said, the traditional practice are three sets of prayers, praying three times a day in the Jewish tradition. Okay, I have to give the names. And you’re saying there’s the morning prayer midday afternoon and evening. Parents took that, but they also, as you say, begin to do the communions is a term that’s used in communities.
00:36:46:23 – 00:36:51:22
Nathan Crane
There’s you’re saying these scenes took those prayers from Judaism.
00:36:52:20 – 00:37:24:15
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
No saying they there’s a crossover three times a day. It’s normal to do prayers. Mm hmm. Everybody does. Yeah. Few who are practicing the scenes that added the morning communities in the evening community, which is what you were talking about. MM. Now did they actually add that or did Dr. C.K. add that? We don’t know that for sure.
00:37:24:15 – 00:38:03:07
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Mhm. So I want to be a little careful and say what’s in the scene practicing and I’ve talked to doctor say case the second wife who lives in Canada now, and he also had a home in Mexico, she seemed to imply that he, he had some literary leeway as he did this. But and it’s clear he took it from more the Sumerian practices.
00:38:03:07 – 00:38:25:20
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
But the Sumerian had eight morning at eight evening. So we can condense it into seven for morning prayers, seven evening prayers and added it to it’s a really good thing for people to do, just like you mentioned. So but I can’t tell you that’s what this is. That that’s what I’m trying to say.
00:38:26:14 – 00:38:30:09
Nathan Crane
When you say doctor sake, how do you spell those saca.
00:38:30:15 – 00:38:36:05
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
S z e k e y.
00:38:37:02 – 00:38:45:18
Nathan Crane
Oh, that’s, that’s, that’s is that Edmund Bordo? Yeah. Okay. You call doctors. Yeah, I know I’m by Edmund Bordo and I’m like, I don’t know Dr. Saiki, but yeah, that’s his.
00:38:46:04 – 00:38:47:03
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
It’s Edmund Bordo.
00:38:47:03 – 00:38:48:14
Nathan Crane
Saiki okay. Got it.
00:38:50:01 – 00:39:18:20
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And so he kind of romanticized the certain way, but I’m not saying what he said wasn’t true, but I’m also saying, like, you know, maybe he elaborated to Google and I’m pretty sure the communions were taken from the Sumerian the 16th. That’s pretty well established. So I can’t tell you that’s a good seed practice.
00:39:18:21 – 00:39:23:10
Nathan Crane
And Sumerians go back. How how far do do we know?
00:39:23:23 – 00:39:26:16
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Probably 4000 years. Okay.
00:39:27:18 – 00:39:30:12
Nathan Crane
And those were practice similar practices that they had.
00:39:31:13 – 00:39:40:14
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. Remember everybody is from the area so to speak. Mm. Is that makes sense. So they have the morning and evening commute.
00:39:43:20 – 00:39:52:17
Nathan Crane
And just, just for people who are listening, I don’t think we mention it. You’re a rabbi, right? Aren’t aren’t you an ordained rabbi or.
00:39:52:17 – 00:39:53:01
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yes.
00:39:53:16 – 00:39:59:19
Nathan Crane
Right. Okay. So I mean, you have a lot of experience just so people know. You have a lot of experiences that you’re talking about.
00:40:00:09 – 00:40:26:12
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Right. And what this is did was it was, let’s say, more spiritual in that way. But they created a way of life. You mentioned that, you know, this is needing a way of life that leads to liberation. So they did all these communities. They got in touch with the earth. They got in touch with the social setting. And so it brought them into contact with all of creation.
00:40:28:11 – 00:41:16:08
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
That was, I think, an important part of their story, so to speak. And they were more nature oriented than the Pharisees, and they clearly were against animal service. Hmm. Then I think those those are the important things. Now, the last of the scenes was driven up by the Romans, and they’re different stories, but basically could what was destroyed and taken over and destroyed by the rebels.
00:41:16:08 – 00:41:45:12
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So that was kind of the end of the history, the scene history there was Caesar went to Tibet and Caesar went to Africa and teams were here and they took the skulls and took all the information with them. And so there was an seen it eventually came back in the Middle Ages and helped start the first medical school in Italy.
00:41:46:14 – 00:41:47:22
Nathan Crane
Oh, really? Who is that?
00:41:48:13 – 00:42:14:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah, Constantine. When he escaped to Africa. And then or his seeds were there. And then he comes to Africa and hopes, I think, in 12. So I don’t exactly have the right stuff, but I think the 12th century or 11th century starts the first medical school in Europe.
00:42:15:03 – 00:42:23:05
Nathan Crane
Now, this is not the same Constantine that was part of the organizing the Bible as we know it. Constantinople.
00:42:23:05 – 00:43:01:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, this is positive. The scene from Africa. Uh huh. Totally different person. And so a lot of the healing for this consciousness was carried on for scenes into European medieval medicine. I think that’s an important little to show their energies going on as well as scene scroll showing up in Tibet so they were forced to flee and sin.
00:43:01:18 – 00:43:18:07
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Is it also India in their stories of Jesus in India? Maybe was. Maybe it was God. I don’t know. There were clearly this group in India because India is a community on the way to India.
00:43:19:04 – 00:43:32:01
Nathan Crane
Right. It was it was actually a it was it was pretty traveled. It was well traveled by people from India when natural history of it, it was a like a trade route that was pretty common now, correct?
00:43:32:07 – 00:43:35:08
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Correct. And that’s the road that we’re talking about.
00:43:35:08 – 00:43:59:06
Nathan Crane
And there’s a there’s a town here. Yeah. And there’s a town in India. People can find this. I remember seeing this years ago where they actually along that route, they have like a temple where they or a shrine where they honor somebody there who they consider their kind of master teacher from 2000 years ago who looks exactly like Jesus.
00:43:59:18 – 00:44:24:05
Nathan Crane
And yes, that’s where the story comes from, is like a part of you know, there’s a lot of people who think Jesus went to India, got trained by, you know, the the the master teachers there and taught there and then, you know, came back to Israel and so forth. And that’s and it’s really interesting that that shrine is there, someone who looks exactly like Jesus.
00:44:24:12 – 00:44:25:15
Nathan Crane
It’s kind of interesting.
00:44:27:09 – 00:45:06:05
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
The the training of Jesus, you know, really began, you know, when you’re 13 in those age, you were an adult, really. So he was trained really until you was 30. And then that’s when he begins. Three years of his is his teachings. I’m not sure you really went to India, but some people feel he was trained in the more Pythagorean were some of the mystics out of Europe.
00:45:06:24 – 00:45:33:06
Nathan Crane
I have a I have a question for you. It’s kind of slightly off topic, but I’m interested because I don’t know. The answer in Judaism is, you know, in Christianity, for example, Jesus is believed to be basically the incarnation of God, you know, the one and only and incarnated in a physical body to come in basically free everybody from their sins.
00:45:33:06 – 00:45:53:18
Nathan Crane
And, you know, that whole story of Christianity in Judaism is Jesus basically a human being who is a spiritual teacher and leader, a son of God, as all people are sons of God? Or is he the incarnation of God by Christian is.
00:45:53:20 – 00:46:33:17
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Really seen as a son of God is a teacher. Again, the seeds in detail actually predicted would he would come on the seed. Okay. And before him there was another messianic care person. And about 40 years before that. So every generation there’s a mission, a character not seen as God, but seen as the teacher of that generation. MM So Jesus was clearly seen in the Jewish thing as a teacher of that decade or that generation.
00:46:35:04 – 00:47:02:15
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So he was highly respected, if you get what I’m saying. Yeah, but nobody is seen as God. That was, you know, that’s for you shouldn’t have any idols before you and there’s only God now does the energy of God incarnate and different ways. Well, I think it’s true with everybody’s pieces that so in each generation it’s prophesied that in messianic energy recovery.
00:47:03:00 – 00:47:29:14
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Like I believe that we all have that spark of God within us. Yeah, right. That’s M&A within us. Not, not one of us is God, but we are, you know, a, and, you know, as is even says in the, in the Bible or in the spiritual texts or the quote, I just lost the quote now. But basically in the image of God made in the likeness of God, right.
00:47:29:16 – 00:47:32:02
Nathan Crane
We are not God in the likeness of God.
00:47:33:08 – 00:47:49:24
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Man, woman made in the likeness that God made in the image. The image is the energy field of that. And so that’s the Jewish belief. That’s a basic belief that those people had. And for the first 200 years, that was a belief in Christianity.
00:47:49:24 – 00:47:51:16
Nathan Crane
MM And what changed.
00:47:53:13 – 00:48:14:19
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
The people, the people need to have those things. So initially Jesus never said that initially it was 200 years before the beginning saying he’s got to realize it didn’t happen anyway. So I think that’s an important piece in the story in that.
00:48:15:06 – 00:48:45:09
Nathan Crane
I have another question on that. In the differences between Judaism and Christianity is like Jesus died for our sins, right? It’s a common Christian belief that, you know, as long as you believe in Jesus and you repent for your sins and you will have a chance to go to heaven at the end of this life. But he died on the cross for your sins, which to me personally, I mean, I respect everybody’s beliefs and traditions but to me that doesn’t make any sense.
00:48:45:15 – 00:48:50:07
Nathan Crane
And I’m curious what how Judaism looks at that or if it does at all.
00:48:50:24 – 00:49:36:16
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Well, let’s talk about in a slightly different way, because it’s a very good question. So in every generation the Messiah comes very easy word, messianic figure comes is a human being and does take some of the karma for that generation. MM Now in the Hindu tradition, you so in my tradition of city over you the person giving shock about the awakening energy does take on not all the karma, but does taken care of that person.
00:49:36:16 – 00:49:37:14
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
It burns it up.
00:49:37:19 – 00:49:44:11
Nathan Crane
You’re like, trend’s mutating. Basically the the negative from correct person there is.
00:49:44:13 – 00:50:29:07
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
But not all of it. Not all of it, but a lot of it. So that’s taught in different traditions. There’s nothing exceptional about that. And so it was taught with the messianic figures that it’s taught that messianic figures come every generation and they do take on some of the lazy eastern term so that the karma for that generation that’s but but some of that karma there’s a specific formula in the Torah which is how you burn up your cover.
00:50:29:23 – 00:50:56:00
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
I use that word because it’s a common term. Okay. They didn’t use the term, but called missing the mark invisible. Okay. And that for real is acknowledge that you missed the mark call. I said to commit to not understand why you missed the mark. Good. You have to understand the cause. You have to get the cause a level.
00:50:56:00 – 00:51:04:22
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Otherwise you keep doing it and then commit not to do it again. And finally repent for that.
00:51:06:04 – 00:51:08:03
Nathan Crane
Now, that’s from the Torah directly.
00:51:08:03 – 00:51:48:21
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. And that’s the form. And everyone clears themselves of sin as give it. If you just do those steps, that’s what does it pretty much in different traditions. It’s, that’s the process. Yeah. Now in Jesus’s time that was still the process. It was never taught that a messiah takes on every thing. But I, I was in power by so it looked in order to give what we call shock people to awaken the community when doing that, you give it.
00:51:48:21 – 00:52:09:24
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
You are taking on people’s power. Okay, not all of it, but you’re taking on some. And so I had people check because look, they know that took people’s names and it affected them. So I said, well, if I’m going to do this, let’s see. So I had people could see the aura and I basically burned it up, which I am very grateful for.
00:52:10:12 – 00:52:27:03
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So my commitment aura is very strong to burning it up. When you give this activate, you’re taking on their stuff. You see them saying, So this is not something about Judaism, Christianity and, you know, it’s it’s Hindu. It’s in other words, it’s a process people kind of get.
00:52:27:11 – 00:52:46:22
Nathan Crane
Well, there’s a Tibetan, I forget what’s called a Tibetan spiritual practice as well. There’s very similar you absorb the gray light, the gray energy coming from somebody, and you transmuted it through the you know, the white yellow light coming in and you send that back to them. You’re basically transmuted.
00:52:46:22 – 00:52:47:08
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Right.
00:52:47:14 – 00:52:49:21
Nathan Crane
There. Yeah. Negative energy. Yeah.
00:52:50:13 – 00:53:16:09
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
I think Moses spiritual traditions do not have something like that is what my understanding is. And so I’m saying that this, that, that then got trance muted. When you say Jesus, you got that he takes away everything, everything’s cool. But the laws of karma are you have to earn it. You have to do your work. Yeah. And the messianic figure of that time will do that.
00:53:17:10 – 00:53:47:07
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Now, these scenes have predicted that somewhere 24, 25, 20, 24, 2025, for the next seven years, a messianic figure will again appear to do that. And they have also predicted the coming of a false messiah who will do miracles and do things. But you still have the spiritual responsibility to do the work yourself. And that wasn’t Jesus’s time.
00:53:47:14 – 00:53:53:04
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
That’s why that wasn’t true. He took every, as a mentioned, to figure he took some.
00:53:54:16 – 00:54:18:06
Nathan Crane
And suddenly that and it makes it makes more sense to me now like where that even came from and how, you know, taking the karma from, you know, and for people don’t use the word karma or understand or whatever, it’s just, it’s just action reaction. It’s just energy. It’s it’s thoughts. It’s what you put into the world. You get back as a law of the universe, the loop attraction, whatever you want to call it.
00:54:18:06 – 00:54:37:07
Nathan Crane
We know it exists. I mean, there’s like anyone who pays attention to life at any level, you know, there’s exists you think bad, you act bad, you steal, you rob, you cheat. You do all these things. You’re going to live a really bad life. You’re going to get all that negativity back. You know, you think you heal, you love others, you’re generous, you’re kind, you’re caring.
00:54:37:17 – 00:54:44:19
Nathan Crane
Yeah. You’re going to have some challenges in life, but you’re going to get a lot more of that good energy back to you. It’s just the way it works.
00:54:45:08 – 00:55:09:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And he would be die connected with that measure for measure just we you said. And that’s all I care about. So there’s nothing new here. We I’m trying to say that people because worse your level of understanding of these processes then suddenly make Jesus is God and he takes on all your sins. And it’s not the way it’s meant to work around the world.
00:55:09:18 – 00:55:35:22
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
It’s not the way it’s been doing it. Some people believe that, okay, but the Torah clearly teaches you do it in the early Christian age. Clearly today, and Jesus clearly taught it. So that’s the key. And he never taught that he was God. There will be of a according the scenes, they say there will be a messianic figure showing up, the counterpoint, the anti-Christ figure.
00:55:36:19 – 00:55:42:24
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Oh, happy. The next seven years. That’s the seed predictions prophecy.
00:55:43:08 – 00:55:49:01
Nathan Crane
Now these are prophecies that were written and dates on them and everything.
00:55:49:01 – 00:55:53:06
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yes. 2000 years ago. Absolutely. That’s what I’m saying. That’s what’s remarkable.
00:55:53:14 – 00:55:56:04
Nathan Crane
Now, where can someone go read these prophecies?
00:55:57:03 – 00:56:19:01
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Well, they’re all over the place, so they’re not all would place, you know. So that’s a little bit of a problem because but they’re they’re I’ve read them in all different places. That’s why I can’t give you kind of a list of prophecies.
00:56:19:15 – 00:56:25:23
Nathan Crane
Like are they in Edmund were those books? I know he’s got like 100, got like 50 books on the Assyrians or something. He’s got to.
00:56:25:23 – 00:57:05:19
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
But I don’t actually think they are. Yeah, I think we have the revelations of God. I think actually a lot of them are in those practices. So I think in some of the other Dead Sea Scrolls, you know, prophecies are there, I’ll put it that way. Yeah, various occasions here by today. But Sky Watch TV, I don’t know if you ever heard of them.
00:57:06:14 – 00:57:14:03
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
It’s a kind of it’s a Christian group. They just gave a whole list of provinces that these scenes made.
00:57:14:19 – 00:57:15:03
Nathan Crane
Really.
00:57:15:24 – 00:57:37:17
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And they just big. Made big. So I actually want to get I said away for the book, so I see exactly all the dates, but they were known prophetically. That’s what they did. So they really gave dates. I think it’s important to really get they actually gave dates when these things would happen. Hmm.
00:57:39:09 – 00:57:41:07
Nathan Crane
Yes, that’s pretty amazing.
00:57:41:07 – 00:57:49:21
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
We are. Because usually you have a prophecy and this is going to happen with next year, ten years, 20 years. You know, they actually were very specific.
00:57:50:05 – 00:57:57:14
Nathan Crane
What was that? What was the book? So the so the sky watch TV put out a book that has the dates there.
00:57:57:15 – 00:58:00:07
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So the authors there are some authors.
00:58:00:07 – 00:58:02:04
Nathan Crane
Okay. Do you know the name of the book?
00:58:03:20 – 00:58:37:09
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Well, it was in a bunch of little books, but then we just think for a second, I think Tom Horn, who just died, it’s in some of his works. But if you look there, there are often actually a whole group of books on sale. So they’re right now like today or and that set has a lot of the prophecies too.
00:58:38:07 – 00:58:42:12
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So I, I’m going to check it out.
00:58:42:19 – 00:58:54:24
Nathan Crane
If you find if you find out, I mean, when you find out more about it, you can email me and then maybe we can add it in the show notes. Now these are prophecies from the scenes or from this Christian group that you mention the scenes.
00:58:55:23 – 00:58:57:20
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Who did the research?
00:58:58:08 – 00:59:05:21
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I’d love to know. Like what the titles of the books are. I’m sure people would. I mean, I’d like to read them. I know others. I like to read them to you.
00:59:06:08 – 00:59:36:23
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
My because I haven’t read them for sure. Gotcha. You can say I stand behind the right are saying this is the time you know for example what are the prophecies? It would be 2025 and the first day of Pesach, which is a day holiday. That will be the beginning of this 50 year cycle. Going to a thousand years of peace.
00:59:37:17 – 00:59:40:02
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Hmm. So that’s a two years.
00:59:41:11 – 00:59:44:04
Nathan Crane
Into a thousand years of peace. That’d be pretty cool.
00:59:45:16 – 00:59:52:12
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Well, that’s what’s being. You know, I think that’s there. And that’s one of the practices.
00:59:53:01 – 01:00:15:14
Nathan Crane
I mean, do you think that’s really possible with all the war and chaos and tumultuous ness that’s going on around the world today? I mean, you’re you’re living in Israel. I mean, you’re living in the middle of a basically a war right now. Well, two questions. What is that like? And also, yeah, do you think a thousand years of peace is possible?
01:00:15:14 – 01:00:17:13
Nathan Crane
And if so, how do we get there?
01:00:18:04 – 01:00:53:04
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So I think when you learn that you really are off base, you look around the world, you go to Sudan, thousands of people have been killed there. And Sudan is a different tribal things where you’re you know, you have with Hamas and Hamas is in kind of mythical is like who I always been attacking Israel. Okay nothing new here Elimelech was attacked people at the time when Moses left Egypt.
01:00:53:04 – 01:01:15:12
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So what I’m seeing is, is is that this stuff goes. And so what happens if it gets really bad? Sometimes people wake up. So the feeling is that things are going to get really bad and people will wake up and say, we don’t really need to live this way. If you see what I’m saying, we don’t really need to be this way.
01:01:15:12 – 01:01:55:20
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And there’ll be a spiritual transformation, maybe from the trauma of how bad they get. That’s what I would say. Well, I have to be honest, where I live in Israel, shit happens that we’re things. Life is pretty normal here. So they have pictures of the hostages that are coming into the square where we live. But they do a rocketeer and there’s no they still shoot rockets near Tel Aviv because what about assistances?
01:01:56:22 – 01:02:34:08
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
They still have to deal with that, you know. But where we live with gas fired us from the northern border into Gaza, that we’re not so attached in. So that’s kind of what’s going on. It’s more like a the meaning of terrorism is it’s affecting people’s psyche. If you get rid of now what that means, it means people feel that we’re convinced that we go into the thousand years of peace.
01:02:34:08 – 01:03:06:09
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So and we need to understand that at some point, the Buddhism in India, there was. KING Ashoka, you may or may not have heard of him, but he brought 150 years of peace because he applied the Buddhist principles and they worked. Everybody was happy. And then people started to lose their countries. You know, he didn’t live for 100 years, but, you know, he created.
01:03:06:09 – 01:03:25:12
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
But there was it was a time of peace, a huge area of India and part of the Middle East. KING Ashoka looked it up. You see, it’s possible. So you need that leadership that you also need for the trauma that you just said, we got to stop being this way.
01:03:25:24 – 01:03:49:03
Nathan Crane
Right? Yeah. I mean, that is that is it. That’s kind of what I was referring to earlier with the Native American Sundance. It’s like once you’ve and for you, that wasn’t suffering. For some people, I think it’s a lot of suffering, you know, a lot like, you know, an ultramarathon is suffering. There’s there’s you know, the first half of the ultramarathon that I ran, the first half was pure bliss and fun.
01:03:49:03 – 01:04:16:02
Nathan Crane
And the second half was pure suffering and total pain. And yet coming out of that, I felt accomplished. I felt elevated. I felt I had gained like a whole new sense of self-awareness, self-confidence, self-love, just, you know, and so many people have ran way longer and way more ultramarathons than I have, you know, talk in depth about this.
01:04:16:02 – 01:04:41:00
Nathan Crane
But I had that one experience where it was just through that suffering. You have this breakthrough of just eternal light gratefulness and peace and self confidence and assurance in ways that, you know, you I think you can get I know you can get through meditation. I know you can get through other spiritual practices that don’t require suffering. I know that because I’ve also experienced that firsthand.
01:04:41:12 – 01:05:04:08
Nathan Crane
But there is something special about the suffering that then saying, hey, enough with the suffering. Like when it comes to war and violence and fighting and hate, hatred and anger and all of this. Enough of that. I’m tired of living this way, like addiction in my life. Like I was over it. I was like so tired of being addicted to drugs and alcohol and destroying myself and being unhealthy and being sick.
01:05:04:08 – 01:05:18:21
Nathan Crane
I want to do something about it. And then that’s what I got at 18 years old in 2005 got 100% committed to learning everything I possibly could about health and transforming my life and have been ever since. So there is something very powerful.
01:05:18:21 – 01:05:48:22
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Like that’s how I theorized that people and the ceremonies to go through it that’s enough. And I yeah so you know that’s how honestly how how I look at it so even though it’s bad in the moment, I kind of see the bigger picture and again the scenes did prophesies all this, you know, so it’s not so new.
01:05:48:24 – 01:06:22:02
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
They are so designed to be turned. Israel Well, there’s three returns in 1948 and then you have the divorce 748 and then in 1917 and then the really around the turn of the century in the 1820s, like the town I live in, was established in 1892, declare the act of the memory of York. So, you know, people have been here a while and so that’s how it went down.
01:06:23:01 – 01:06:44:04
Nathan Crane
What made you want to move to Israel? You were living. You had a retreat center in Arizona, which I had, you know, been there, stayed there for like a week, I think. Beautiful retreat center there in Patagonia, Arizona. You basically sold that and packed up. This was a few years back, right? This was probably about three years, three years ago.
01:06:44:05 – 01:06:51:20
Nathan Crane
Moved to Israel. Yeah. What was I mean, talk about timing, you know, what was the impetus to move to to move to Israel?
01:06:52:16 – 01:07:23:15
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Well, life has its cycles. And I knew what I said. The sooner I knew summer, 24 years would be one other cycle. That’s how I put it. My work is actually more international rather than in Israel, but it puts me in a place where I have there’s five countries, we have diabetes, go go to organic, vegan and farming programs.
01:07:23:15 – 01:07:55:02
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
We have over 50 organic beginning farms in Cameroon, in programs in Ghana. We have programs in Nigeria, you know, so that’s easy to tell. The yeah. Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, where we have some program. Do you see what I’m saying? And then I also have programs in Europe. So, you know, I go there in lectures, so it kind of broadens the base if you get what I’m saying.
01:07:55:02 – 01:08:20:05
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And we wanted this experience, we just felt that was really we’re drawn to it. And to give prophecy is people will return. The Seeds also talked about their and we just felt it was the right time you a big part of that prophetic movement is how are we about.
01:08:20:16 – 01:08:35:13
Nathan Crane
Well if you want to talk about you being in the right place at the right time of someone who is helping transmute, you know, negative energy into spiritual energy, healing energy, I mean, you’re in the right place at the right time for that.
01:08:36:02 – 01:08:37:05
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:08:37:21 – 01:08:45:00
Nathan Crane
Your energy and your prayer being there directly is probably a good place to to really help out.
01:08:45:09 – 01:09:10:10
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. And you know, you don’t know that how important. Jesus. No, you’re supposed to go. Yeah. And I’ve always tried to live in that way of let’s keep with, with the door. You supposed to go. You’re supposed to go, you know, with the divine worlds guiding you and you just have to go with that. It may not look convenient, but you need to go with it.
01:09:10:20 – 01:09:43:14
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
That’s that’s how I see it. And that’s how Shanti, my wife, sees it as well. We just knew, you know. So that’s kind of the subtlety of that. Hmm. Now, we also it is true that Tel Aviv has more vegan restaurants and anywhere in the world, and it has the biggest vegan. I didn’t say like food. There’s a vegan population of anywhere in the world.
01:09:44:00 – 01:09:44:09
Nathan Crane
Really?
01:09:45:02 – 01:09:45:09
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah.
01:09:45:24 – 01:09:50:04
Nathan Crane
Why? Why? Why is that? Why do you think that is?
01:09:50:04 – 01:10:03:15
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
I think it has something to do with meat isn’t really so kosher anymore. It was prepared how enemies are grown. I also think that it is.
01:10:03:21 – 01:10:11:01
Nathan Crane
And so it’s easier to be vegan instead of sugary. It’s hard to yeah, it’s hard to get kosher.
01:10:11:18 – 01:10:16:23
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. And the other thing is that the original body diet was the.
01:10:17:23 – 01:10:19:18
Nathan Crane
Original what diet.
01:10:19:18 – 01:10:20:24
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Garden of Eden. Diet.
01:10:20:24 – 01:10:22:14
Nathan Crane
Oh Garden of Eden diet.
01:10:23:04 – 01:10:23:12
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah.
01:10:23:22 – 01:10:41:11
Nathan Crane
Well, even yeah. Even in Genesis in the Bible it says, I give you the plants for your food. Right. And then it’s not until after Noah and the Ark and the floods and basically, you know, the the lands were wiped out and then says, okay, now you can eat, you know, some of the animals.
01:10:41:21 – 01:10:45:01
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
But as a dispensation for the moment that do.
01:10:45:11 – 01:11:05:22
Nathan Crane
That’s how I look at it. I was for the moment, right? It was like, okay if that happens, you don’t have access to plants, you have animals, the animals. But, you know, if if originally the plants were meant for our lives according to the religious text, then it goes without saying we can go back once the plants thrive again because they grow back very quickly.
01:11:06:09 – 01:11:08:01
Nathan Crane
Then you can go back to eating.
01:11:08:09 – 01:11:39:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Was the concept. And so Moses Commodities, the great rabbi and physician, led them to a century, said we are supposed to move back to the original diet and the dispensation was only because of the situation, if you see what I’m saying. Mm hmm. And so that’s kind of the teaching. So a lot of people are know in that way put put it that way.
01:11:39:18 – 01:12:21:09
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So that’s kind of what I see is part of what goes on. It’s just part of the culture here. I mean, there is Barcelona is is a in Europe is the biggest vegan city. Okay. And Sao Paolo huge population in it probably has 10% of its population is vegan. That’s about 3 million people. Wow. So there are vegan centers, but percentage is your has the highest percentage of beans as a nation.
01:12:22:05 – 01:12:46:11
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And it’s also small populations. It’s not like San Paolo. It’s got literally millions of people living in my world. I gave a lecture once in in Brazil, and it was only doctors. There’s 200 doctors there that all were vegan could do. Imagine that the United States giving lectures to 200 doctors are all vegan. Yeah.
01:12:46:21 – 01:13:03:24
Nathan Crane
It’s pretty rare. I think it’s I think 1% of the population, if I’m if I’m correct, I might be wrong. 1% of the population is like vegetarian in the U.S. and it’s just I think it’s smaller. That’s vegan or maybe it’s 1% that’s vegan. I have to look it up.
01:13:04:14 – 01:13:10:00
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
I think it’s 3% of vegan, about 8% who are vegetarian, something like that.
01:13:10:20 – 01:13:33:21
Nathan Crane
Okay. According to recent studies, about 3% Americans identify themselves as vegan. Okay. There we go. 3% say maybe it’s 1% worldwide. No, I don’t know. Well, yeah, it depends. Which if you look up with a Gallup Gallup poll, they say 4% is vegetarian, 1% is vegan. I think that’s what I saw. But if you look at another poll, it says 3% are vegan, more vegetarian either way.
01:13:34:05 – 01:13:39:08
Nathan Crane
I mean, still millions of people, but it’s not a large percentage.
01:13:39:24 – 01:13:51:03
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So but relatively speaking, in Israel, I think it’s 3 to 4% are vegan, 8.6 Christian or vegetarian, something like that. Well.
01:13:51:17 – 01:14:16:07
Nathan Crane
Now you I mean, we’ve talked about this at length in lots of other interviews I’ve done with you, but I mean, your background for decades as a medical doctor and a holistic physician has been helping your patients, primarily your specialties and diabetes. But you’ve worked with patients, obviously, with all kinds of chronic diseases. Is helping people reverse type two diabetes on a.
01:14:16:08 – 01:14:18:21
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Well they really are chronic disease right.
01:14:18:22 – 01:14:36:20
Nathan Crane
Right on a plant based diet on the on a lie on a raw food vegan diet. You have a documentary that is called There is a Cure for Diabetes. I think where you followed isn’t that it? Your documentary.
01:14:36:20 – 01:14:40:20
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
It’s basically oh, gosh it’s a new.
01:14:41:16 – 01:14:43:16
Nathan Crane
I think it’s called There is a Cure for Diabetes.
01:14:44:05 – 01:14:45:22
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah.
01:14:45:22 – 01:15:00:03
Nathan Crane
Uh, and I think I think people can, can get it on Amazon if I remember where they followed your patients at your, at your retreat center, right. For like 30 days. And basically you had a high percentage of people reverse type two diabetes.
01:15:00:13 – 01:15:31:20
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
61% cured type two diabetes who were on insulin and about 25, 21% cured who were on insulin in three weeks, three weeks. So they cured after that, if you got it. So they just took a longer than three weeks, but in three weeks, 61% were cured. Who were on in silver who were doing better.
01:15:32:14 – 01:15:48:13
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s incredible. Oh, yeah. Your book title is There is a Cure for Diabetes. That’s right. That’s your book. Okay. So the DVD, the documentary, I thought it was had the title, but do you know what it is?
01:15:49:14 – 01:15:57:04
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
It’s slipped my mind. It’s been a while to a 2007.
01:15:57:04 – 01:16:01:03
Nathan Crane
I’ll find it really great because I think you can still watch it.
01:16:01:22 – 01:16:18:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. Anyway, the point is, this is a way life that makes you stronger, more flexible, easier to meditate. So at age 80, I’m doing well. Yesterday I did 1900 pushups.
01:16:19:17 – 01:16:25:06
Nathan Crane
You did 9000 pushups in one day. One time I went to Unbroken.
01:16:25:06 – 01:16:26:03
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Unbroken in.
01:16:26:14 – 01:16:28:14
Nathan Crane
1900. Do you do this every day?
01:16:29:08 – 01:16:30:14
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
No. Every three days.
01:16:30:24 – 01:16:32:22
Nathan Crane
You do 9000 unbroken every three days.
01:16:32:22 – 01:16:39:03
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
I was doing 2000, but after I went to New Zealand. I traveled it kind of went down and then I, you know.
01:16:39:09 – 01:17:02:10
Nathan Crane
Can you film this for me and send it to me? I want to put it in this podcast. Oh, I think, oh, people won’t believe it if they don’t see it. Most people can’t do ten pushups even really fit. People can barely do 50 or 100 if you do 1900 unbroken pushups. Are you kidding me? Like, it’s going to be insane if people see it, they won’t believe it.
01:17:02:10 – 01:17:04:14
Nathan Crane
If they don’t see it. It sounds unbelievable.
01:17:06:00 – 01:17:10:16
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
The problem is I’m not really set up to photograph it right now in the video.
01:17:10:16 – 01:17:27:21
Nathan Crane
It just just turn on your zoom and hit record and then do it. Do your pushups there on the floor and just put your camera down and and and send it to me like that if you can and would be amazing. I would really want to see it actually. And I think a lot of people would be really inspired by it.
01:17:27:23 – 01:17:29:13
Nathan Crane
If you can do it somehow, it’d be awesome.
01:17:30:02 – 01:17:31:20
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Okay, I’ll play with it and see.
01:17:31:24 – 01:18:04:14
Nathan Crane
Okay, and we can speed it up. I’ll have my editor like, you know, the first hundred will just leave and then you can speed up the rest. They can see all 1900 that I mean, that’s amazing that’s amazing. Seriously 80 years old raw food vegan the 40 plus years and you know still doing 1900 push ups unbroken like that’s it truly is incredible and unbelievable most people there are so many doctors online today saying, oh, raw food vegan is terrible for you to kill.
01:18:04:14 – 01:18:23:04
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s the worst diet in the world. There’s a lot of people to believe that. I mean, I did raw 100% raw vegan for a year and then I went back to cook food and I’ve been, you know, vegan for 13 years now, I think 13 plus years, but not raw food. You know, this whole time I only did 100% raw food for a year.
01:18:23:04 – 01:18:32:18
Nathan Crane
Obviously, we eat raw food every day, but not 100%. I mean, that’s that’s a whole other level. It’s just a whole other level of commitment.
01:18:32:18 – 01:19:02:08
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
The way I would talk about it, we’re not 199%. I don’t want to get stuck in a has to be that way. Yeah but but you know the key to success is that we are unique biochemical individuals and you have to design would be good vegan like that vegan my food you have to design that diet to your type to your constitution.
01:19:02:08 – 01:19:36:08
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Some people need more protein, some people need less protein. You see what I’m saying? So when I was at point in the sixties, I got stuck. I couldn’t do 25, I could do 25 poems clock and all I did. And I said, okay, you’re not getting your fruity. It’s getting 8% with the 12%. I took a big tablespoon of spearmint or three lives, and with that, that was just a little bit I needed to go to 100.
01:19:37:22 – 01:19:49:05
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
You see what I’m saying? So to be successful, you really have to do trial and error and you have to be very thoughtful at the level we’re talking.
01:19:49:05 – 01:20:00:18
Nathan Crane
So. And is it mostly protein or is it other, you know, you know, micronutrients, macronutrients that people need to understand for their success?
01:20:00:24 – 01:20:38:11
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Well, the way I’ve looked at it, I’m looking at of protein, carbohydrate. You know, people need a combination of those. So some people need a diet that’s 10% protein. Other people have a diet that’s 30%. 0% say no, you have to find the right diet for you. And that’s the important key. But it’s not usually not more than 30% or 35% protein.
01:20:38:11 – 01:21:01:17
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And then you have that area of carbohydrate and you have to have the right mix. But usually protein and fat go together, have more protein and less carbohydrate. My constitution is more leafy greens, vegetables and nuts and seeds, not that much fat. Recruiting and more maintenance is here. I’m saying.
01:21:01:17 – 01:21:05:05
Nathan Crane
Here. So you have more. So you have higher carbohydrates.
01:21:05:05 – 01:21:08:01
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. That’s 30% of the population.
01:21:09:06 – 01:21:16:00
Nathan Crane
On your constitution. What are you basing the constitution on? Is this are you Vedic principles or is this where where’s the constitution coming from? What does that mean?
01:21:16:06 – 01:21:55:13
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Well, I have there’s three different principles. What is organic? Okay. What is kind of a research is the linking theories that kind of understood the relationship of fat and protein to each other. Those are that I’m going to say the two main kind of things I use theory of medical that because it’s simpler for people to get and we use what we call the static diet, which is more a spiritual diet, but that doesn’t tell you about the protein, that tells you about the kind of diet you so and so really.
01:21:55:13 – 01:22:22:23
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
I use a variety of research used in the 1930s that they kind of mapped out how we need a higher protein. And so people need a little protein. You know, people are, you know, how much fat, how much damage, cholesterol, you know, and it doesn’t work that way. That’s the point you’re making. And there’s just a variety of research that really impacted that issue.
01:22:22:23 – 01:22:52:01
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
If you see what I’m saying now. And we have to understand our constitutional tendencies that’s kind of that important thing. And I talk about it in my spiritual nutrition, the rainbow diet and I talk about it the diabetes go to a cure for diabetes because if you don’t understand your constitution, you can’t really get optimal.
01:22:53:01 – 01:22:56:07
Nathan Crane
The rainbow rainbow diet. That book that you wrote.
01:22:57:06 – 01:22:58:09
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
86. Yeah.
01:22:58:17 – 01:23:02:18
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I think I have a copy of that. You, you about it in depth in that book.
01:23:04:00 – 01:23:07:07
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. But more in-depth in my book. Spiritual Nutrition.
01:23:07:07 – 01:23:10:24
Nathan Crane
Spiritual Nutrition. Actually I have I do have a copy of that book.
01:23:10:24 – 01:23:12:17
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. And also courtesy.
01:23:13:20 – 01:23:17:19
Nathan Crane
Mm. And then I have conscious parenting too.
01:23:18:09 – 01:23:21:14
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yes. When I talk about it kind of disparaging as well.
01:23:22:01 – 01:23:31:02
Nathan Crane
Trying to be a conscious parent, it’s not easy. It’s not easy, but it’s it’s very important. It’s a labor of love. I’ll tell you that much.
01:23:31:23 – 01:23:43:15
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Is very important for a lot of parents in doing this. I’m a more of a grid father. Three teenage granddaughters. Mm.
01:23:43:15 – 01:24:06:15
Nathan Crane
Oh, by the way, I found the I want to mention is for people I found the documentary is called simply raw reversing diabetes and 30 days and it is on you can buy the DVD on Amazon but it looks like they also stream it on Gaia Gaia TV, which I have a membership there. It’s like eight bucks a month or something like that.
01:24:07:20 – 01:24:19:22
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Okay. Good reasons that my mind because I haven’t referred to it for a long time. Yeah. Going past it really works well.
01:24:20:13 – 01:24:42:13
Nathan Crane
I mean, I’d love to talk to you for another 2 hours. I know we’re coming up on our time right now. This has been pretty awesome. I do want to, you know, to kind of wrap here a little bit from your I mean, you said in Israel right now, you’re living, you know, kind of away from any of the, you know, the any of the war that’s going on.
01:24:42:13 – 01:24:42:21
Nathan Crane
So you’re not.
01:24:43:00 – 01:24:47:12
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Immediate coming in immediate rockets, are we, to where we live.
01:24:48:03 – 01:25:18:18
Nathan Crane
But what are you I mean, in terms of what you’ve seen, people you’ve talked to living there, you know, what what is your overall sense of what’s going on? And also like what are your thoughts about what can be done? I mean, you know, Americans over here, I think, are being told all kinds of different things. Some of it probably true, some of it probably partially true, some of it probably false.
01:25:19:08 – 01:25:36:07
Nathan Crane
And, you know, people are taking sides and they’re you know, it’s causing even fighting over here, not war, but just, you know, people attacking each other over here, over what’s going on over there. And so, I don’t know any kind of words of wisdom you want to share.
01:25:36:10 – 01:26:06:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
I think we understand it’s part of prophecy that this is a this is the time when all this is going on and it will begin to clear in the next few years. Hamas is prophesized. Okay. You know, and these wars are kind of prophesized in the struggle before people wake up. So I take a very optimistic point of view that.
01:26:06:18 – 01:26:35:19
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
We’re well, we’re now reaching a place where people are going to have to wake up and pay attention to how we’re living. You know, we’re treating each other. So that’s how I see it in Israel. My impression is that it’s created a sense of existential vulnerability. MM You know, you know, not like people are freaked out, but it’s an existential probability.
01:26:35:22 – 01:27:07:24
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
It’s like, wow, this could be we get out of here, but it’s not going to. Prophecy is Israel will get through this and begin to wake up and become more spiritual in the process again, trials and tribulations and this game of reverse it. I say it again. It’s a lethal game, but again it’s part of pregnancy. It’s just like, so what’s new?
01:27:07:24 – 01:27:30:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
I mean, this started with Moses left know Egypt they were attacked, the stragglers were attack you know so and this is going on and then and then so it’s not it’s a it’s a very sad situation. And I see it as a potential for people waking up.
01:27:31:05 – 01:27:57:11
Nathan Crane
Well, I mean, the sad part, obviously, like the civilians in both I mean, the Palestinian civilians, Israeli civilians like children getting murdered, blown up, taken hostage. Right. Like these are people that have nothing to do with this war and want nothing to do with it. And yet they’re kind of stuck in the middle of it, being killed and murdered and destroyed, you know, because the differing ideologies and everything that I don’t know behind what’s really going on.
01:27:57:15 – 01:27:57:23
Nathan Crane
Right.
01:27:59:12 – 01:28:26:01
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
And you see this going over the world. They just highlight the conditions always sinner. Look at Sudan. You got a lot more people killed. Mm. You see what I’m doing and see you see massacres and these things happening all over the world. I’m not ignoring it. I’m just trying to make a point that. We’re not the only ones having this kind of thing.
01:28:26:01 – 01:28:56:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
This is just part of the world chaos. Okay? That in a sense the globally are creating. I just put it that way. I don’t think this is a particular accident. A lot of people. It is you are how is it where we claim if were burned lands on the wall you know it how was it for 7 hours?
01:28:56:18 – 01:28:57:12
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Nobody showed up.
01:28:58:15 – 01:29:15:19
Nathan Crane
And they were they were literally like driving, you know, bulldozers and motorbikes and things through the fences. You can see images of that. And like, apparently Israel has like one of the best weapons defense systems in the world. And somehow it missed all of that.
01:29:16:08 – 01:29:47:22
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. And there were 40 great troops of the fence. There weren’t would 40 different places in the whole length of Gaza where the fence was broken. That one is like, right. Okay, why it takes 7 hours. Is it a Tel Aviv is like hour and a half to 2 hours from there. Okay. You can almost walk there in 7 hours.
01:29:47:22 – 01:30:12:21
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So what happened? There’s just more going on than we understand. That’s what I’m trying to say and that’s why I call more patriotic. But lot of people are in Israel are asking the question, how is that possible? They broke the fence at 40 places. They through that would have saved many people think it was one place they all went to and that happened.
01:30:13:14 – 01:31:04:15
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
How did nobody get notified? How did it take 7 hours? Would everything so small that’s like ridiculous. So those are your questions that are part of the bigger picture that are unanswered at this moment will be answered. People are asking the question more seriously. So it’s just, you know, a huge tragedy in terms of human will. We look at how is it that the women were brutally raped and I’m going to say more than raped, you know, sexually molested in and totally levels their breasts cut off and, you know, just and then, you know, gang raped and then shot in the head.
01:31:04:15 – 01:31:21:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
What will we say? What? This is crazy. So how did that craziness be allowed to happen? You know, and I’m not saying Israel allowed it to happen, but that it’s demonic kind of energy that got released. Yeah.
01:31:22:08 – 01:31:24:16
Nathan Crane
That’s demonic for sure.
01:31:24:16 – 01:31:57:01
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah. And so it’s a different dimension of what’s really going it it’ll get clear, but I think the important thing is not polarizing, but doing what has to be done without hate is saying, okay, you know, we, you know, you have to take care of business here and that’s it. But don’t get hateful. Don’t get you know, it’s, you know, demonic energies, entities at different levels.
01:31:57:12 – 01:32:22:22
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
There’s fear involved. And all this is, you know, that’s all I can say. You know, I’m not this both sides, the whole world. At some level, the U.S. is involved when it goes on. And, you know, so I think if we see it that way, we have a better understanding of the process rather than, well, is your home answered just having to fight?
01:32:23:13 – 01:32:24:22
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
No, it’s not. What’s going on.
01:32:25:05 – 01:32:28:11
Nathan Crane
Yeah, you’re looking at is a bigger spiritual awakening.
01:32:28:20 – 01:32:29:20
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Way bigger.
01:32:30:00 – 01:32:54:12
Nathan Crane
That’s needed. And, and it’s it’s sad and unfortunate and terrible that, you know, innocent people are dying in the process. And, you know, we pray for them and their families and pray their souls. And at the same time, you know, what can we do ourselves wherever we are? It’s, you know, pray that this sends send prayers. I mean, prayers are powerful, positive thinking, good energy, right?
01:32:54:12 – 01:33:04:15
Nathan Crane
Send healing prayers to to the area and to, like you said, to to any war torn areas. I mean, the Ukraine war is going on. I mean, thousands of thousands of people are dying, you know.
01:33:05:19 – 01:33:36:05
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Hundreds of thousands. You know, when you look at the perspective, it’s like this is going on all over the world. We pray every day for, you know, as much peace and resolution as you can get. And probably the biggest message is don’t forget the truth which is God will tell within you as you stay seared with it. And then your actions are guided in the appropriate ways you have.
01:33:36:05 – 01:33:47:22
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
The Torah clearly says if somebody rises to kill you, it’s your responsibility to rise. We kill them first. Hmm. Before actually says that.
01:33:48:11 – 01:34:20:24
Nathan Crane
Interesting. I just had a conversation on my podcast recently with John Joseph. I don’t know if you know John Joseph. He’s an author, an Iron Man athlete, a vegan. Um, you know, I’ve heard a proponent for Funny Dude from New York City, crazy, amazing guy. And literally we were having this exact same conversation. You know, he was saying it’s because he’s he’s trained in I mean, he is like a 30 plus year Hari Krishna devotee.
01:34:20:24 – 01:34:41:09
Nathan Crane
And that’s what he was saying is, you know, even in the in the Bhagavad Gita or in the Hari Krishna ways, it’s you know, you practice peace, you practice love, you practice compassion. But, you know, self-defense. If someone’s coming to attack you, you know, you take them out. And that’s been a you know, it’s been a hard thing.
01:34:41:09 – 01:35:03:21
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Because, you know, you take them on your jury supposedly, morally and ethically and spiritually to take them out wish. But it’s a very different statement than just self-defense. It’s like no, it’s your obligation to preserve life and it starts with you. Hmm. Interesting. You see what I’m saying? It’s a little bit different, but you’re. Yeah, but it’s the same.
01:35:03:21 – 01:35:07:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
It’s the same in result. You’re going to say something.
01:35:07:18 – 01:35:28:22
Nathan Crane
You know, I was just I mean, all I was saying was, you know, that’s been hard that’s been a hard concept for me to to grapple with over the past, you know, 15, 18 years on my own spiritual journey. It’s like compassion, no harm to others. Don’t kill. Don’t you know all of these spiritual philosophies that I’ve learned?
01:35:29:07 – 01:35:46:14
Nathan Crane
And then as I’ve had children and become a parent, it’s like, Well, yeah, but if someone’s going to come to my family, am I just going to stand there and, like, let them, like, no way. Right? But how do I reconcile that with, you know, these spiritual beliefs where I’ve been told, you know, compassion only don’t kill anything.
01:35:46:14 – 01:36:07:22
Nathan Crane
You know, these are Buddhist principles, for example. And you know what, John, John, John was telling me about, you know, kind of the Indian Krishna spiritual philosophy. And now what you’re saying right now, it’s just it’s kind of reaffirming what I’ve been leaning towards the past few years, which is like, well, yeah, of course, I’m not going to let someone just come and harm my family.
01:36:08:09 – 01:36:11:05
Nathan Crane
You know, what kind of man or human being would do that?
01:36:11:13 – 01:36:15:12
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Well, again, it’s moral irresponsibility to allow that to happen.
01:36:15:21 – 01:36:16:20
Nathan Crane
That’s from the Torah.
01:36:17:11 – 01:36:21:19
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah, well, you both, it’s your responsibility to protect your life.
01:36:22:03 – 01:36:26:02
Nathan Crane
Yeah, makes sense. I mean, it makes. It makes perfect sense.
01:36:26:21 – 01:37:03:18
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah, and people do misunderstand. There is a story that we get made, but in the Maccabean wars where they fighting of the Greek government, they came upon a group of warriors, Maccabees, and it was Shabbat. And instead of fighting back, they allowed themselves to be killed. When the Maccabee brothers heard about this is so this is absolutely wrong.
01:37:04:10 – 01:37:45:02
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
You must defend yourself that you know good deed so people cross with spiritual concepts and part of a spiritual concept is your right to life. And you’re morally to preserve your life and the lives of your loved ones. And I think that’s the key concept here. That’s a teaching. And you clearly it in the Hindu, you know, in the Native American, in pretty much most cultures around the world, I don’t know as much about Buddhism, but I know that you still have a right.
01:37:45:03 – 01:38:16:02
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
You have an obligation, not a right, an obligation to protect yourself. Protect your family. That’s how I would see it. Hmm. But not to get hateful. It’s just like you got do it right, period. And it’s your responsibility. We can get really confused with spiritual concepts versus this other level of spiritual concept. This is your moral obligation. You take care of yourself and take care of me.
01:38:16:09 – 01:38:19:13
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Yeah, yeah.
01:38:19:13 – 01:38:50:22
Nathan Crane
Got it. Well, Gabriel, thank you so much for coming on. It’s been a fascinating conversation. I always, always love talking with you. Yeah, I learn more about you every time we talk. So I appreciate your time and appreciate you. And send love and prayers and good energy your way and your family’s way and everybody over in that part of the world, you know, may safety and peace and love and kindness surround everybody over there.
01:38:50:22 – 01:39:08:11
Nathan Crane
You know, may this war end. We need you know, we need less war, I think, on this planet. And more more understanding, more conscious awakening, more peace, more spirit away from us. Yeah. And from people was the best place for people to get in touch with you just through your if they want to. You know.
01:39:08:24 – 01:39:37:15
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
The website is Tree of Life that embed that CEO or doctor cousins dot com that will take you there where they now have lots of classes updating and meditations we’re doing several times a week in different places. We have a European hour, we have a Brazilian hour, we have lots of different things happening, you know, and weekly, you know, schedule.
01:39:38:07 – 01:40:09:09
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
So we’re there. We’re there giving out as much as we can. And that’s where you can kind of follow our tours, what we’re what we’re doing. So it’s great speaking to you. And I love, you know, you do it really, really good. Great contribution to the world and truly good and to everyone’s listening may be blessed that you maintain the peace within your heart in action, that center of a peaceful heart in orbit.
01:40:09:13 – 01:40:14:23
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
We do as I say, this is peace be with you.
01:40:14:23 – 01:40:18:09
Nathan Crane
Peace be with you. A home and talking to an amen.
01:40:19:00 – 01:40:23:10
Dr. Gabriel Cousens
Oh, yes. Which in Native American. To all my relations.
01:40:23:13 – 01:40:27:07
Nathan Crane
To all my relations. Beautiful. All right. Thanks so much. Take care.
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