In today’s video, we sit down with Dr. Isaac Eliaz, a leading expert in the field of integrative medicine, specializing in cancer, detoxification, immunity, and complex conditions. He is a respected physician, researcher, best-selling author, educator, and mind-body practitioner. Dr. Eliaz partners with leading research institutes including Harvard, the National Institutes of Health (NIH), Columbia, and others, to co-author studies on integrative therapies for cancer, heavy metal toxicity, and others. He is the founder and Medical Director of Amitabha Medical Clinic in Santa Rosa, CA, where he has pioneered the use of therapeutic apheresis as an adjunctive blood filtration treatment for detox and chronic degenerative conditions.
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00:00:37:21 – 00:00:41:01
Nathan Crane
Dr. Isaac Elias, welcome to the podcast.
00:00:41:18 – 00:00:46:09
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Thank you, Nathan. I love talking to you. And here is another opportunity. So I thank you.
00:00:47:05 – 00:01:23:03
Nathan Crane
So you are teaching something at our upcoming retreat in Arizona, at our Holistic Leadership Council that you call Open Heart meditation, which I think is a really catchy name. I’m really looking forward to experiencing it. What I’m really curious about is how you discovered meditation, and not only discovered it, but have been practicing it for decades and teaching it for a long time, as well as a conventionally trained medical doctor.
00:01:23:03 – 00:02:01:11
Nathan Crane
So anyone who has gone down, you know, conventionally train medical school, for example, whether an oncologist or become an M.D. in any discipline, rarely experiences meditation or even considers meditation as a form of health and healing as an effective evidence based form of of healing. And yet you not only practice and teach it, but you embody it and and swear by it as as an essential component to living a healthy disease free life.
00:02:01:11 – 00:02:10:00
Nathan Crane
So what got you into meditation? And talk a little bit about that as a, you know, conventionally trained medical doctor discover meditation.
00:02:10:00 – 00:02:15:00
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So I’m kind of laughing because I got into meditation.
00:02:15:00 – 00:02:16:10
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So many years before.
00:02:16:10 – 00:02:42:06
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
I even started medical school. It was so, you know, it’s a really interesting point. Many people discover meditation, discover spiritual path out of a crisis. It’s very common. You know, I am highly trained in Tibetan Buddhism. And and so I studied with some of the greatest teacher in the since the late eighties, and we would have these very secluded retreats of very advanced students, and we would kind of talk to each other.
00:02:42:06 – 00:03:00:15
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And everybody came back with some trauma. And God, I didn’t have any throughout my you know, I didn’t know what to do. I felt strange, but of course, they have trauma. They’ll talk, but not in the context of, my God, I need something now. It’s certain earning I had in me since I was like 11, 12 years old.
00:03:00:15 – 00:03:28:04
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So I remember I would go and buy anthroposophy cult books and yoga books and read on my own. I didn’t share with my parents. I was the oldest child, I know five and my mother was a judge. My father was an engineer. So, you know, well-educated, regular people, secular, are not Jewish, religious in Israel. But I had this drive and I would read it and I would like I would just go there and kind of teach myself.
00:03:28:04 – 00:03:53:15
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And the big shift came when I my father was a civil engineer and we spent a year and a half in Korea when I was 15. So 10th grade I was in an American school and then I got introduced to Tae Kwon Do, but I got introduced to an unusual branch of taekwondo, an alternative, more philosophical branch like the head of the of the lineage was a philosophy professor in the university.
00:03:54:11 – 00:04:18:09
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And and there was a big emphasis on forms and on meditation, not so much on fighting, and also the opportunity to practice with the Korean national team, which at that time were all the world champions because they needed to learn English and this was in English speaking. So I got very lucky in yoga and I started meditating. So this was like 15 years old and I pretty much kept it since then.
00:04:18:09 – 00:04:42:01
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So I when I went to medical school, I was already a yoga teacher. It was after the army that compulsory in Israel and I was a yoga teacher. So I knew I am going to medical school. I knew that the philosophy is not my philosophy. I knew I have to survive it and afterwards I’m going to do something very different, holistic, which honestly, I really didn’t know exactly what it was.
00:04:42:01 – 00:05:14:18
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
I just knew I’m not going to do regular medicine. So I went through this round of going through the six years of training in medical school while becoming a yoga teacher, being a teacher in yoga teacher, training courses, learning shiatsu, learning Chinese medicine, and this time I specialize in back problems with therapeutic yoga, which was interesting. It was really the beginning of growing into my own body and I’m kind of going a little bit off topic because, you know, I love talking to.
00:05:14:19 – 00:05:40:04
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
But it was interesting. I was working with one of the best scoliosis surgeons in Israel because I was interested in scoliosis. I learned a special shiatsu technique with exercises where we will we would reverse scoliosis. And I noticed that he gives the same exercises to everybody. And for some people, it’s such it’s a wrong exercise. You know, if you have low doses, you don’t want to bend backward.
00:05:40:04 – 00:06:03:09
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
You’re going to make your lower doses bigger. So I used to when people used to come with back problems that would just of kind of get into this open space and I would get into the problem and I would see how I’m unwinding it. And this is the exercises I would give them. So I developed this whole specialty and I learned Chinese medicine, acupuncture for three years while in medical school.
00:06:03:20 – 00:06:27:18
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So when I started my internship after finishing medical school, I mean, this is where you first do internship in that state. It’s part of residency and then you do your residency. So I remember I was in a one week. It was a ten days Qigong Chinese medicine retreat in the desert with my with my precious wife. It was in eight months of pregnancy.
00:06:28:18 – 00:06:55:08
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And then I gave up the retreat like everything on a Saturday. And on Sunday I started internship in the first rotation was surgery. And can you just imagine? Imagine the here I am like in another realm. And he was a surgeon, you know, eating the donuts, doing coffee. In the first thing that we’re talking there was saying, Wow, if we just didn’t have any patients, medicine would be so good, you know?
00:06:56:01 – 00:07:12:17
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So it was such a difference. That was two different worlds. But I had this very deep send attempt to integrate them. So I, I, I continued my journey through meditation, yogic meditation. I did some Sikh meditation for years, and when they came, they.
00:07:12:17 – 00:07:15:13
Nathan Crane
Were sick just like SRK.
00:07:15:17 – 00:07:18:03
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Localization.
00:07:18:10 – 00:07:19:07
Nathan Crane
The religion.
00:07:19:15 – 00:07:40:19
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Yeah. And some. And then when they came to the United States to after I finished my internship, I already had a big center in Israel for integrative medicine and teaching a lot. I left everything behind and decided it’s time to be a student. We came to the United States in 1989 so I can get a master of science in in in Chinese medicine in Angeles.
00:07:40:20 – 00:08:06:12
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
My my partner continued to to study with our daughter. And we right when we came, we actually met and got introduced to Tibetan Buddhism, met our teacher. And that’s really what kept us here because I got very involved in meditation practice. And so I carried the very intense meditation practice that probably would never be repeated. It, and I would do 2 to 3 hours a day.
00:08:07:11 – 00:08:27:00
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And then starting pretty early on, I would go away to the mountains for 20 years for 2 to 3 months a year, and for ten years I did half a day of retreat, early morning to noon, and then I would go to work one day a week. I would go to the clinic little bit earlier and one day a week I wouldn’t work.
00:08:27:09 – 00:08:51:24
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And we have a five acre. We live in nature. I would start in the evenings, sleep in the forest, no water, no electricity, and just being in the forest with some hot water and some water and an outhouse and then wake up and do the whole day retreat and come home in the evening before the next day. So I had this one day, like being totally inside a redwood forest for years and years.
00:08:51:24 – 00:09:21:00
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And within it I was fortunate because I got to be the doctor in a one on one student of some of the greatest meditation masters in the Himalaya, the most legendary ones. So I got real unique teachings and very satiric teaching and actually lived for like two or three years, everything to meditate. And then I realized that it all boils down to opening our heart with the expression of enlightened mind.
00:09:21:00 – 00:09:55:18
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
The expression of of spiritual path is unconditional, innate, boundless love that we all have a capacity to touch and we all touch in certain level for certain times. There are moments when the heart is open for me, at least in moment when the heart closes, you know, due due to live because none of us is perfect. So I, I, when I was in retreat, had a certain inside vision, a certain knowledge about healing that comes from very, very sacred meditation practices.
00:09:56:14 – 00:10:19:20
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And so for years I practiced it by myself, usually don’t share it in podcast. So it was in a special day of the year while I was isolated in the mountains in January 2009. And it was a whole healing system that is based on meditation, on how to use effortlessness with intention and in and create healing. So I didn’t share it with anyone.
00:10:19:20 – 00:10:46:24
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
I practiced it for five years and I and I and they just treat it in this way. And it was profound. And then I decided, I realized, Wow, I really have to start sharing it in. Some of my teachers in the Himalayas told me in advance that they would be sharing such knowledge before I got it. So then it became so evident to me that it’s really the ultimate medicine is our open heart, love and compassion.
00:10:46:24 – 00:11:06:03
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So I call it open heart medicine. And it was going to be the topic of my first book in Hebrew because I taught a lot in Israel. But then the COVID came and finished writing the COVID came. So I put it aside and then came out with the survival paradox, which is a more for medical and life experience.
00:11:06:10 – 00:11:36:20
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Similar concept because when we are in a survival mode, our heart cannot be opened. You know, we are we are contracting, we are, we are self-focused. So this is really my my journey. And I’m actually looking forward, hopefully in a year or two or three to a place of where I go back into doing long time, long term retreats and many hours of retreats and within it sharing and teaching and the arts.
00:11:36:20 – 00:12:18:14
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
I was fortunate, you know, to really to really meet some remarkable teachers. And I you know, I’m I’m still consider myself a beginner, but I’m on the on the on the highway that is specifically geared towards healing. So really my specialty, I would not teach meditation if it wasn’t really in the context of healing. And, you know, Nathan, sometimes in my early sixties and I would meditate even for a few minutes and I would get these unique insights and I ask myself, Well, I think why did it take 50 years for you to really experience this?
00:12:18:14 – 00:12:45:18
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And, you know, there are no shortcuts. It’s an unfolding process in the moment. We think you’ve got it. I have it. I’m special. You get stuck. It’s like turning water into ice. Everything stops. It’s a continual flow, continuous evolvement and continuous opening. And, you know, life is bumps. They slow you down and then it is support, it speeds you up.
00:12:46:03 – 00:13:06:13
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
We are all on such a journey. So that’s a little bit about how it’s so obviously it’s really it’s really who I am. So and the patient comes into the clinic because I’m trained to meditate with open eyes. So when I talk to you, I meditating right now, so when I’m with the patient, I meditate. So it becomes a 24 seven process.
00:13:07:03 – 00:13:37:16
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And then medicine is an expression of my meditation. Somebody else art is the expression of the meditation, a great meditation master. The mind knowledge is the expression of their meditation and realization. So for me it’s healing and I’ve made a commitment to share it. Despite the fact that many of my teachers felt the certain knowledge I have is not something that is is easily teachable.
00:13:37:16 – 00:13:41:00
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Some say you cannot teach it, but at.
00:13:41:05 – 00:13:42:06
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Jewish-Israeli.
00:13:42:06 – 00:13:57:21
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
I’d like to agree. Right. I’m I’m trying to create creative ways of sharing and teaching so people don’t have to go through the torturous right with it. I took, you know, of just figuring it and sitting for tens of thousands of hours.
00:13:57:24 – 00:14:37:23
Nathan Crane
Yeah, Yeah. Incredible. I mean, I’m agreeing with you saying right in the in I completely relate with having, you know, multiple spiritual masters and teachers in my life for the past 17 years. And some of them, you know, I would say overcome complicating philosophies to kind of, you know, the some of the Buddhist ways of teaching are, you know, to like really confuse you, to help in the deeper understanding of it that I get from it is to help you think for yourself to to figure out the teaching right, to figure out the underlying essence or wisdom that’s being shared.
00:14:38:06 – 00:15:06:00
Nathan Crane
But I like to, you know, take really complex, complicated things like I deal with with research, for example, for cancer and make it super simple and practical and applicable for as many people as possible. I like to take I like to understand really complex ideas and complex science and complex spiritual philosophies and then, you know, boil it down into A, B, C, the E, it’s just kind of how my brain works.
00:15:06:00 – 00:15:09:21
Nathan Crane
And I don’t know if that works for everybody, but that’s how I like to look at things.
00:15:10:17 – 00:15:31:22
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
You know, it’s a process for you to see. It’s you can’t get to the simple explanation without going through the complexity of understanding. So this is a process of unlearning. It’s a very important process. You are fortunate, you’re doing it early in your life. You know it. It’s a very important process. You learn the information and then you unlearn.
00:15:31:22 – 00:15:36:02
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And when you unlearn, it distills itself in a much simpler way.
00:15:36:24 – 00:15:59:10
Nathan Crane
I’ve had some really great, you know, spiritual mentors early on in my life. The first one at about 17, 18 years old, and the second one from about 1920 to 23 and then, you know, multiple over the years. And so so that certainly helps having a mentor in your life. But I wanted to take to, well, ask you a few things.
00:15:59:10 – 00:16:39:18
Nathan Crane
The first is, you know, you’re you you are a renowned doctor in the integrative health space and the holistic health space. I mean, you speak at conferences, you get grants from the age to do research projects. You are an accomplished scientific published author. You know, you have a thriving clinic. You are just a highly respected medical doctor coming from a very holistic and integrative approach, getting great results for patients and teaching other doctors.
00:16:39:18 – 00:17:07:11
Nathan Crane
And so, you know, coming from this very accomplished place that you are, how much would you say having a meditation practice? I don’t know if it’s you know, I would say a daily meditation practice. Right. How much has that been? How much do you feel that has been essential to your success and coupled with success, your own internal happiness and fulfillment?
00:17:08:23 – 00:17:32:17
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It’s it’s essential. It’s not. It’s like it’s like breathing for me. So I’m at a place in my life where because of the decades of training, I can get by with less meditation. But earlier on, when I was less trained and meditation was less developed, I remember I would go I would go into the forest and then our neighbors are really nice.
00:17:32:20 – 00:17:52:05
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
They didn’t have a fence. And then when they had a friend, they made a gate for me. And they have this amazing meadow where I look east. I see the sun rising all around Israel, and I would just sit in, I would unwind just every feeling, every thought, just letting it come and, you know, I would just sit there for a few hours.
00:17:52:05 – 00:18:18:07
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
There were periods I would sit that my retreats were outside, actually. And then I would I would emerge out of the forest up to our house. And interestingly, the forest is in a redwood, so it’s much cooler. And I would be with a coyote even in the summertime, and I would like emerge out of the forest and I would be a different person than I was when I walked in at 530 or 6 a.m. and ready for the day.
00:18:18:14 – 00:18:43:15
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And I started noticing the difference in my quality of healing based on the quality of my meditation is I integrated it more into my life. Then it became the effect. You know, it just definitely when I’m more stressed, when I have less time to meditate, it affects my healing, there’s no doubt about it, and is a remarkable thing.
00:18:43:15 – 00:19:11:01
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Is it when you connect with this infinite healing potential of love and compassion, of the universal heart that this heart is just connected to is just a representative of our inner connectivity. It’s not like, Oh my God, I got a special heart. But no, we all have it because the heart of everybody listening gets dirty blood connects with the universe and gives without judgment.
00:19:11:10 – 00:19:30:09
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
That’s how it works. Otherwise we wouldn’t be alive. So it’s built within us. This is really the divine and within us, you know, people who are into Judeo-Christian Islamic religions known the Bible. It says we were made in the in the image of God, but similarly so the image of God is divine qualities in every cell in our body.
00:19:30:18 – 00:20:01:02
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And the heart represents in so many traditions the coming home. So when we connect to it, we become a different, different people, different person, you know, going at retreats, 250 people in Israel. And you know, maybe have a cancer patients in and it just every day that goes by and it started six and 10 p.m. and I teach almost all the time and when every day goes by, I just have more energy and more vibrant and and more radiant.
00:20:01:02 – 00:20:26:17
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And in and, you know, I remember my mother asking me, how come how do you do this White and doesn’t get you exhausted isn’t too difficult. No because you connect with this amazing stream that just changes our consciousness. And I think now there’s a lot of interest in psychedelics and expanding our consciousness. It’s really trying to touch, displace this.
00:20:27:05 – 00:20:57:07
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And sometimes the experience is so vast and we are trained not to hold to experiences for decades. It’s unique to to the training I do. It’s the experience of openness, of happiness is so vast that it’s literally hard to contain. You can’t put it in words. And in this space where we can, without effort, channel it into healing, that’s when the magic happens.
00:20:57:15 – 00:20:57:24
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Hmm.
00:20:58:24 – 00:21:34:00
Nathan Crane
Hundred percent. And, you know, I discovered, you know, meditation and this deeper spiritual understanding early on from a much more esoteric, philosophical approach. Right. This connection to the divine, this connection to a higher source, a higher power God, whatever we want to call it, from just from feeling and connecting and sitting with, you know, Buddhist master teachers and Zen monks and chanting with Hari Krishna.
00:21:34:01 – 00:21:53:05
Nathan Crane
And so sitting in meditation, listening for hours and hours at a time, just like you were talking about, I used to meditate hours and hours a day. Sometimes I go to the beach and go and do meditation and come out three or 4 hours later and then write down pages and pages and pages of like downloads that I got during that time.
00:21:53:13 – 00:22:24:21
Nathan Crane
It’s so powerful, right? We connected to this. You know, one of my spiritual mentors called it the hard drive of the Universe, where we can connect to every single thought that ever existed before. And so, you know, there’s a very esoteric point of view. And what I’ve done in the last decade plus have started to understand the biological mechanisms and the science behind why this works and what it does to our physiology, what it does to our biology, I should say.
00:22:25:04 – 00:22:53:10
Nathan Crane
And what’s always fascinating is how our ancient ancestors, these master teachers, have known this for thousands of years. This knowledge has been passed down both in ancient India and ancient China, right, for thousands of years has been documented. They knew what was happening with all these practices through Breathwork, through meditation, through yoga, etc. And now our science is just starting to understand what it’s doing to our biology.
00:22:53:10 – 00:23:14:21
Nathan Crane
So, you know, in activating the parasympathetic nervous system, you know, up regulating the immune system, turning up B cells and K natural killer cells and T cells and fighting cancer and all these kinds of things. So talk a little bit about that. For people who don’t know what is the what’s happening biologically when you are practicing meditation.
00:23:15:12 – 00:23:37:10
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So of course there’s a lot of research on it and a lot of understandings in, in quantum mechanics shed a lot of light into it. But when we look at our physiology and that’s really the value of of of my book, the Survival Paradox, is that we are all wired to survive. Every cell in our body is wired and built to survive.
00:23:37:10 – 00:24:17:16
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It’s what keeps us alive. And that’s really the survival paradox, because we are wired to survive initially in the embryo as an embryo, the survival express itself with corpora embryogenesis developing organs that are normal. But once we are out in the world, we start facing challenges and injuries, and part of our survival is to repair these injuries. So because we are built to survive innately and as you mentioned already, our immediate response to survival is automated through the autonomic nervous system, through the sympathetic nervous system.
00:24:18:09 – 00:24:42:20
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And so the moment it’s a fraction of a second, we all experience it, right? We are going into a fighting mode which drives the inflammatory process. Cells start big and then us going through the cell or we go into hiding, we run away, we isolate ourselves, we run away outside, we run away inside. How do we run away?
00:24:42:20 – 00:25:08:17
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
By shielding ourselves, by creating a coating, a lattice formation to create a micro environment, a separate environment. And when cells in the body loses communication with each other because a certain cell for certain reason other it has a toxic pesticides. We take the toxic metals or the cell got no easily at the time of trauma and absorb the energy of the trauma.
00:25:09:03 – 00:25:34:21
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
The cell goes into survival mode. What is survival? And survival is not accepting that everything that expresses itself will come to an end, that the definition of survival. So the Syrian wants to survive. It creates a micro environment. It start nourishing itself in a different way than the body. It’s not listening to the body anymore because the body is turning in the cell.
00:25:35:04 – 00:26:00:03
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It’s time to go into apoptosis and ends What happened to this cell? It’s called the cancer cell. That’s really the definition of cancer. In my book, The Survival Paradox, I really treat cell those living beings with the personality, with the psychology. They really are, you know, So it’s often and I’m sure you’ve seen it, cancer patients where they have some lymph node or metastases on the skin.
00:26:00:11 – 00:26:23:18
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
You can see the cancer when they angry more hard, more red in one day, more relaxed, more subdued. So this happens on the tumor level. It happened on a cellular level. So we have about bounding upward the little bit about 50 trillion cells, not millions, million times a thousand is a billion times a thousand, a trillion times 50.
00:26:24:07 – 00:26:40:21
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And each cell is close to 1 million in reactions in a second. So imagine 50 trillion in cells, almost infinite number, 1 million reaction in a second. And we are still one person. It’s truly a miracle.
00:26:40:24 – 00:26:41:23
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And then we can.
00:26:42:03 – 00:27:10:08
Nathan Crane
Ahead and then add to that in each cell, right. 1 million reactions per second, 50 trillion cells. And then in each cell, we have hundreds to thousands of what are now being considered microorganisms. We call them mitochondria, which also have their own separate DNA and functions. AT Exactly right. And they’re they’re a big part of those 1 million functions and processes that are happening every second.
00:27:10:10 – 00:27:10:17
Nathan Crane
I was.
00:27:10:17 – 00:27:11:14
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Just going to get to.
00:27:12:09 – 00:27:12:15
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
That.
00:27:12:20 – 00:27:15:00
Nathan Crane
It’s just incredible. I am blowing.
00:27:16:21 – 00:27:46:19
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
I was just going to actually get into into the mitochondria. So the cell in one level is our most smallest identified self. It is the boundary, a membrane just liquid, the skin. It decides what comes in, what goes out, leaves the cell, feels safe. If the cell feels quote unquote loved, if it feels what is love, the environment around it wants to take care of it, then we relax.
00:27:46:19 – 00:28:09:23
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
We go into a parasympathetic mode. Now, I am describing right now an autonomic nervous system effect, but there is a biochemical effect that is driven by alarming survival proteins. And the key one that I’ve researched for close to 30 years, and I’ve made a lot of discoveries about how to block it and what happens when you block it.
00:28:10:05 – 00:28:44:20
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It’s called Galectin three, and I’ll get to it a little bit later. It’s fun when we have a lot of time to talk to the rat. So now the cell feels safe, it’s relaxed, it produces energy very efficiently, meaning from one molecule of glucose, it can produce 36 molecules of ATP. Right. But if we go into a danger zone, into a survival mode, which is what the cancer cell does and the conditions, we need to to produce energy fast.
00:28:45:03 – 00:29:24:11
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So we skip the mitochondria here, which I’ll get to in a moment, and we produce energy through anaerobic glycolysis. Yeah. Now we can produce a hundred times more energy very fast, but 5 to 6% efficiency to ATP as compared to 18 now a cancer cell is in panic. A cancer cell doesn’t recognize that it actually has oxygen. You can actually use the mitochondria in oxidative phosphorylation and so it produces through glycolysis in the presence of oxygen.
00:29:25:01 – 00:29:51:05
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And this is Warburg effect. So one thing that is worthwhile for people, cancer patients or doctors is to really ask the patient what made your cancer, What made you not be able to take a deep breath and you will get amazing stories like when I do the cranial sacral, I just focus in a and I feel that you might ask the patient the question.
00:29:52:06 – 00:30:15:09
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And it’s really important not to tell the patient what you see. Okay, that’s a tip for healers. We want to feel we are amazing. I can feel No, no. You are taking the discovery away from the patient. You just guide them. Because if the patient makes the discovery, they’re opening a door to releasing the trauma to what is called memory consolidation.
00:30:15:09 – 00:30:41:16
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
They are building a new it’s a fresh experience. It is enormous healing power. Enormous healing power. So our job as healers is just to hold them, you know, and let them let them get there. So when we are in safety, the cell knows that it can produce energy. Well, there is a molecule called ampk K adenosine monophosphate kinase gets upregulated Also happens when we don’t eat too much sugar.
00:30:41:19 – 00:31:09:09
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
When we exercise, we’re insulin receptors are working well and then something called into one system, it’s downregulated and something called hypoxia inducing factor is shut down. The cell doesn’t feel like it doesn’t have oxygen. There’s actually a factor in the cell that sets an alarm when it feels they don’t have oxygen. Now, if we feel like we don’t have oxygen, we activate an enzyme called PDK.
00:31:10:20 – 00:31:39:13
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And a power of any virgin is kinase, which shuts down the maintains MPH, which allows there is a metabolite of glucose pyruvate to get into this into the mitochondria are again hundreds of thousands of mitochondria and produce energy properly. So when we go on ketogenic diet, when we go on intermittent fasting, we don’t eat too much glucose. They refined sugar.
00:31:39:13 – 00:32:18:13
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
When we exercise, when we meditate, we are shifting the cell into a normal metabolism and kind of to close the circle. When we meditate, it can take longer because we are asking for a mind effect to percolate down all the way to the cell compared to changing a diet where you just feed the cell with something else. But when we use meditation, we are getting to the substance, to the biochemistry, through our essence, through our energy expression, and then through the substance.
00:32:18:13 – 00:32:39:15
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So we are we are working on all the levels of our being. And that’s why the healing is so profound. And I know it from my own experience how I would come out of this six to 8 to 10 weeks retreat, I would look 15 years younger. I would feel 15 years younger. Health problems they had just would dissipate away.
00:32:40:02 – 00:32:51:16
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And then as I get get back into life, they slowly started creeping back and then there would be another retreat. So I’m really waiting to go back.
00:32:51:16 – 00:33:21:10
Nathan Crane
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00:33:21:10 – 00:33:46:16
Nathan Crane
I’m just giving it to you for free. You can go download it at becoming cancer free dot com. All right, let’s get back to the show. So obviously, by what you just described, you are in agreement with the you know, what Professor Seefried has published based on out of Wahlberg’s work that you already mentioned about the you know, cancer as a metabolic primarily mitochondrial disease.
00:33:46:17 – 00:33:49:12
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Cancer is a metabolic disease.
00:33:49:12 – 00:33:53:00
Nathan Crane
Yeah. It’s a genetic disease as we’ve been, you know, led to believe.
00:33:53:00 – 00:34:24:11
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Genetics will affect metabolism. Epigenetics will affect always, you know, and kind of limit laughing because I would send every cancer patient in the nineties to do chemo since chemo sensitivity this was before genomic. Dr.. Dr.. Dr.. Weiss entitled and and Dr. Nagourney were the two leading ones at that time and oncologists would laugh at you. And now it’s becoming standard but they are making an error.
00:34:24:22 – 00:34:46:19
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Noted. He doesn’t help patients, but they are looking at genomic testing and it’s very it’s very narrow. They’re looking basically for patient or not. Is they going to get these genomic testing which are pretty much focused on filling up clinical trials and trying new drugs. You know, they’re not really wide and open for thing they used to test ten years ago.
00:34:47:05 – 00:35:30:12
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
But we have to understand the genomic, but we have to understand the body has a choice If it’s going to activate a gene. Now with cancer, it’s trickier. Why did we go with cancer? We go back to the isolation. The cancer created, the microenvironment so the cancer doesn’t listen as quickly towards the body. So that’s why if you have certain illnesses, a pain in the body, arthritis, inflammation, hypertension, you meditate, it will get better much quicker than cancer because you have you have to meditate deep enough to get into a place that the body lost control over.
00:35:31:08 – 00:35:38:24
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And if you ask me at some point how you do this, it’s a great, great topic that I loved. It’s complicated. Yeah.
00:35:39:06 – 00:36:06:14
Nathan Crane
Yeah, let’s. Okay, so let’s yes, How do you do that? But first, so people understand what’s happening, Why meditation is so effective. How I understand it from a biological standpoint is you are, you know, we can get into the energetic, we can get into the spiritual side of it. But from a very simple biological standpoint, you are basically you’re up regulating the immune system, right?
00:36:06:22 – 00:36:09:17
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Is intimate system very important?
00:36:09:17 – 00:36:40:17
Nathan Crane
Right. Which which is essential for eliminating cancer cells? Our body is designed to find target and destroy and and remove and recycle cancer cells. And our immune system does that. And our lymphatic system is a big part of that as well. Right. And the and the the cells, the immune cells from our bone marrow, all of this is activated when we enter into a meditative state.
00:36:40:17 – 00:37:05:22
Nathan Crane
It’s also activated when we do things like exercise, when we do things like healthy stressors, hormones Yes, right. Sauna, ice baths. It’s also activated when we get into deep sleep and we enter autophagy or autophagy, depending on how you want to pronounce that. But autophagy or autophagy, basically our body is designed to clean up these cells even before they come cancerous.
00:37:06:06 – 00:37:23:02
Nathan Crane
But like you said, it’s in modern society. So many people are so stressed all the time that they never give a chance or they give very few chances for their immune system to do its job, which is to get rid of these cancer cells completely.
00:37:23:02 – 00:37:57:22
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So this is key. Kiki, We have the capacity to actually kill cancer cells to protect ourselves. And it’s interesting, you know, immunotherapy is at the forefront right now of of oncological care. And for example, PDL one inhibitors, you know, have done some help, maybe not as much as we would like, but they definitely make a difference. But you find out that patients who have high level of Galectin three this alarming survival protein do not respond to PD L one inhibitors.
00:37:58:13 – 00:38:37:14
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So what happens is that when we have and that’s why the metabolisms, the extracellular space, the connectivity between the cells is key. And because when a cell is in a survival mode, it is part of a survival mode. It it overexpress is Galectin three, which shuts down the immune response while creating inflammation, immune dysregulation. It’s very fascinating. With COVID, this spike protein is almost identical in structure to Galectin three because it just survivor of the virus.
00:38:38:00 – 00:39:01:17
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
You know, our gut, our biofilm when we are under stress, when the gut feel that we are in danger, it activates the biofilm and no lime lime spiral. Kids get activated. Everybody wants to survive. The microbiome wants to survive. We want to survive. If we are in harmony with our microbiome. If we are in harmony between ourselves, the body will feel in harmony.
00:39:01:17 – 00:39:26:21
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And a great study for this, which we just submitted the manuscript and we presented in Europe and I’m presenting in ASCO, GEO in San Francisco in February, we did our multicenter trial on biochemical relapse of prostate cancer using modified seed respecting. So what effect it was spreading is the blocker of Galectin three This survival paradox protein that drives cancer growth and metastasis.
00:39:27:14 – 00:39:57:06
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So why is this very symbolic? Because patients have prostate cancer. The prostate is removed either through radiation or through surgery or both. And there is no PSA because there is no more prostate left. And then the cancer starts to regrow back in shoulder because of the cancer. Now the cancer is very small. It’s usually a little bit more aggressive than the initial cancer, but the body has a chance to take care of it and it doesn’t.
00:39:57:15 – 00:40:25:01
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So while the PSA for these people with the cancer starts coming back, 80% of them, it will become active and grow and grow and the speed of growth goes up. It’s called PSA velocity, PSA doubling time. When we give them MCP 15 grams a day compared with their baseline, which we expected it will stay. The same will get faster after 18 months.
00:40:25:01 – 00:41:03:02
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
That’s our long term multicenter 60. After 18 months, 99 zero of the patient had either a slowing down of the growth, complete stop of the growth or the PSA when we don’t know the MCP is a modified it was picked in did not kill the cancer directly it dissolved them. The lattice formation made by Galectin three. It dissolved the microenvironment, it regulated the immune response and it allowed the body to do its job.
00:41:03:18 – 00:41:30:17
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So for me, that’s a great example, really a gift from nature of everything we talked about, because what you did, we reconnected with our innate healing ability. So one is the simple supplement. But what we are interested, you and I, you know, it’s part of our connection. We’re interested to have people understand it’s multifaceted, it’s dimensional, it’s amazing.
00:41:30:17 – 00:42:14:22
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It unfolds, it changes your life experience. And so that’s the real healing. The real healing I call physical healing even of chronic disease, acute medicine, the real medicine, the ultimate healing is connecting with our healing potential because that’s where we transform that the transformative power of this body of our life. And so it’s a journey between dealing with the survival which needs medicine we’ll call maintenance, and of the Chinese doctor and using the evolution theory, power of the body, the transformative power of the body, the the going big home power of the body, which is a deeper healing.
00:42:14:22 – 00:42:19:21
Nathan Crane
Okay. So that was so that’s a new study that is being published soon.
00:42:20:04 – 00:42:38:15
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Yeah. Yeah. We already presented it in UMC, European Society of Urological Cancer in November and we got accepted to to go to, to the ASCO G which will be presented in February. I’m, I’m presenting it.
00:42:39:10 – 00:42:41:11
Nathan Crane
And what’s the title? What’s the title of the study?
00:42:42:15 – 00:42:52:01
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
I think that the effect of of a modified seed respecting on the on biochemical relapse of of prostate cancer.
00:42:52:17 – 00:43:14:06
Nathan Crane
Okay, so people can can search it after it’s been published if they want to look at it. Now there are a lot of studies on modified suspect and of course. Yeah right. And like you said, this has been, you know, studying Galectin three has been something you’ve been doing for three plus decades. And I first learned about this through you and was completely fascinated by it.
00:43:14:06 – 00:43:38:07
Nathan Crane
And let’s take a let’s unpack that a little bit. So for people who don’t know what Galectin three is, you know, you just talked about it, you kind of went really fast. It so so let’s let’s just break it down really simply for people. What is Galectin three What’s its function? Why is it why is it effective to actually slow it down or block it?
00:43:38:07 – 00:43:48:12
Nathan Crane
You don’t completely stop it with modified citrus pectin, right? It can slow it down. It can block it. And so why is that important? So let’s just break that in real people.
00:43:48:13 – 00:43:59:04
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So Galectin three is is a carb hydrate binding protein. It got like a electronic acid binding protein.
00:43:59:10 – 00:44:00:24
Nathan Crane
That our body produces.
00:44:01:00 – 00:44:01:10
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Yes.
00:44:02:00 – 00:44:06:09
Nathan Crane
To to create inflammation as a healing exercise.
00:44:06:20 – 00:44:36:21
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So it it’s a protein that binds to a different carbohydrate on carb, on small unlike what we call oligosaccharides on glycoprotein, on glycol lipids, which are often present in oxidized lipids, etc.. So this protein is our iconic need, the survival paradox protein, The body uses it within within minutes of being under danger, emotional danger, trauma, infection, sepsis, very big.
00:44:37:14 – 00:44:40:01
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And then Galectin three is like the bus.
00:44:40:21 – 00:44:41:10
Nathan Crane
Like the what?
00:44:41:18 – 00:45:14:17
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Like the bus. Like the train here. It’s here that there is a problem in the body. It gets expressed. It binds to different ligands. If there’s are immune immune, immune disruptors, if it’s hyper viscosity, if it’s if it’s carrying co compounds, if it’s compounds that affect neuroinflammation and it drives them to the area of injury, it’s part of trying to produce inflammation and later fibrosis is a repair mechanism, isn’t it?
00:45:14:21 – 00:45:39:18
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Is an often unsuccessful damaging repair mechanism which relates of course in a deeper way to what happened with trauma. You know, when we have a trauma edit time of trauma, the response of the body was the best response. The body has done. But right now, years or days or months or multi-generation later, it’s not the best response for us.
00:45:40:03 – 00:45:57:12
Nathan Crane
Well, and so let’s talk about what their response is, because it’s really fascinating. Right. And this has been discovered recently in the past few decades. I believe that when you have a trauma like as a child, for example, and you don’t really know how to process it emotionally, it can happen as an adult as well. Any kind of trauma.
00:45:57:17 – 00:46:27:03
Nathan Crane
Right. Your your your body actually produces neuropeptides. And those neuropeptides can get stuck in in different parts of your body, in different organs and different areas. And you don’t know how to it’s your body. It’s a survival mechanism. It’s protecting you because if you didn’t, you might just literally explode, right? So the emotionally you might melt down. You might have because you don’t know how to process that trauma.
00:46:27:03 – 00:46:47:24
Nathan Crane
So we as you said, we create this kind of, you know, shield around us. Well, biologically, a neuro chemically, we produce neuropeptides in these kind of helps store that trauma for us until we can process them out later through meditation and healing practices and yoga and breathwork. And this is why you get into this kind of work in your life.
00:46:48:07 – 00:47:15:11
Nathan Crane
And, you know, you might just start you might be doing a meditation practice or breathwork or something and just start bawling, you know, crying like crazy, just, you know, freaking out, screaming and letting loose. Which sounds scary for some people, but it’s actually unbelievably healing. And when you’re done, it’s like you just released some form of trauma that you were holding on to and release those neuropeptides as well, which were causing inflammation, chronic inflammation.
00:47:15:13 – 00:47:44:04
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Totally right. So all three of these compounds are bound to galectin three. It’s part of relax. So the reason why and so some especially some some sound compounded specifically create neuroinflammation driven by uses of galectin three talking about the same topic, disrupt the blood brain barrier and allows molecules that are not supposed to get in to the brain to get into the brain and create glial activation.
00:47:44:04 – 00:48:06:03
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
But interesting, a paper just recently published in 2022 showed that when you create hypoxia in nerve cells, when you stop blood supply Galectin three comes to the area. They didn’t get enough oxygen and create inflammation and fibrosis. And when you block it with and when you give motivated perspective, you reverse the damage.
00:48:06:23 – 00:48:08:18
Nathan Crane
So interesting when.
00:48:08:18 – 00:48:36:01
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
We go back, Galectin three is the bus that takes to different areas in the body within minutes and different inflammatory compounds. The problems different than the sympathetic system that if we are stressed and we meditate for a few minutes, take a deep breath, I would probably sympathetic system kicks in. Our biochemical response is not easy to change. You can see why.
00:48:36:01 – 00:49:11:14
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Because now we brought other compound in cytokines. There is suddenly you’ve got interleukin six and you’ve got the NF. I’ll find you got interleukin ten and here you are. Everything is on fire. And so I’ve actually shown I’ve done very important research. It was published and then the topic of my NIH grants that when I blocked, when we blocked Galectin three while producing sepsis in animals, we dramatic actually reduced the mortality of the animals from the sepsis in the kidney damage.
00:49:11:14 – 00:49:48:04
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And more than this, we showed the patient coming into the ICU with sepsis without preexisting condition means they don’t have kidney disease, heart disease or cancer, and they come with sepsis. And when you check their blood, there is no apparent damage to the kidneys. Their level of Galectin three at time of admission within 6 hours will determine who later on will get kidney damage, which often drives chronic damage in death and who is going to die in the ICU from sepsis, which means Galectin three is rises early on.
00:49:48:14 – 00:50:17:08
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So you can say it’s an early biomarker, but it’s really an instigator because when we blocked it, we reversed the process. And my project with the NIH is specifically on development of a Galectin three filter, which I already developed where we are now in this called exascale. Three, that we are now very soon are going to start animal safety studies and then going to the clinic with the idea can we attenuate sepsis and kidney damage from sepsis?
00:50:18:00 – 00:50:30:23
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
11 million people die from sepsis a year. It’s the number one killer. So of course, there’s a great potential. And I hope it works in the end. This is a I’ve been working on it for a decade now.
00:50:31:09 – 00:51:10:17
Nathan Crane
So. Okay. So I have a couple of questions. This is super fascinating. Oh, would you say that I’m just processing this and thinking out loud to understand this better for myself and hopefully for anybody listening that the reason Galectin three is not very effective. The protein our body makes to basically be the carrier, the bust, to take these inflammatory molecules to other parts of the area, to the body that are damaged.
00:51:10:17 – 00:51:33:03
Nathan Crane
Right. It’s basically taking these molecules to help heal that area. Would you say that it’s not it’s not very effective because we are so damaged so often it’s significantly overproduced in producing too much inflammation in the body because of stress, because of toxins, because of pesticides, because of the food because of the toxins in the water, the air.
00:51:33:08 – 00:51:48:14
Nathan Crane
Is it because of our modern lifestyle that it’s not doing as great a job as it could if we were living like, you know, you’re saying you’re out in a retreat in nature and eating very clean and drinking water and meditating and things like that?
00:51:50:03 – 00:52:12:16
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Yeah, it’s a great point. There is a lot of truth to what you said, but in principle, the mechanisms Galectin three uses for repair is that the survival part of our inflammation and fibrosis. So the end result of the Galectin three being activated is actually damage, but this is the body’s attempt. But you’re right.
00:52:12:16 – 00:52:16:05
Nathan Crane
There a healthy amount of inflammation. Yes. That our bodies.
00:52:16:12 – 00:52:17:06
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Absolutely.
00:52:17:13 – 00:52:20:16
Nathan Crane
Right. If it’s not chronic, if it’s an acute.
00:52:20:23 – 00:52:21:09
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Solution.
00:52:21:12 – 00:52:22:04
Nathan Crane
Short term.
00:52:22:08 – 00:52:48:10
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Absolutely. So if we’re able to downregulate and shut down the inflammatory process, if we recover and we don’t create a chronic cascade of cytokines, the cytokine storm we see COVID. Longo is an example. And right now so many people know then yes, it will come down, the levels will go down and it will not have an ongoing effect because Galectin three is very important.
00:52:48:16 – 00:53:07:24
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
In the first few minutes of response to an infection and you and you won’t shut it down if you if you even if you remove it or if you block it because it already did its job. It does its job within minutes. Ideally, it could turn on for a few minutes and then turn off. We’ll be in a great place.
00:53:07:24 – 00:53:31:11
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
But we see now in studies where we don’t block Galectin three the levels of Galectin three go up, the levels of interleukin six then start going up much more dramatically. Kidney damage starts happening, the animals die. So it’s interesting because Galectin three an upstream molecule, it starts the process. It will doesn’t need a lot of increase to make a big difference.
00:53:31:17 – 00:53:59:01
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It will increase Mason by 50%. It will double itself. Okay. Extreme cases, it will triple itself. Interleukin six will go up 1000 fold, 5000 fold because it’s downstream. So trying to catch these cytokines is like stopping a waterfall with a bucket you got to. But if you can shut it down at the top. So as the shutting down, we block elective three.
00:53:59:10 – 00:54:26:19
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And on a deeper level, what we talked with meditation, lifestyle we change is a driving forces of this process. Yeah. With the recognition that some of it are part of the package we came to this world with because of our genetics, our epigenetics, our multi-generational effects on our body and our health and our being on the way we function.
00:54:27:15 – 00:54:41:20
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And so meditation addresses multi-generational health issues and offers multi-generational healing that the power of meditation specifically when it comes from the heart.
00:54:42:13 – 00:55:11:10
Nathan Crane
So you actually talk about that in your book. I remember reading own story about that. If we have time, I want to get into that. So I’m just making a note because I think that’s really fascinating. But before we do, I want to stay on this topic of Galectin three and COVID. So you had said that the the spike protein is actually similarly designed.
00:55:11:10 – 00:55:15:20
Nathan Crane
It looks very similar to the Galectin three protein.
00:55:15:21 – 00:55:17:11
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Is that right? Almost identical.
00:55:17:11 – 00:55:45:24
Nathan Crane
Almost identical. And so that’s that’s it’s really interesting to think about because Galectin three starts the inflammatory cascade process, right? As you said, it’s an upstream molecule that then all of these inflammatory molecules downstream get released into the bloodstream and spread wherever it’s needed in the body. And apparently the spike protein on you from from the coronavirus does the same thing, right?
00:55:46:03 – 00:56:18:21
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
The spike protein is the survivor, the protein of the corona that has to get somewhere a touch and create a reaction in the Galectin three is our survival protein, and they both use a similar mechanism. What are they using Using inflammation and what they cause? They cause chronic damage. For example, in many patients with the with the with COVID, especially early on, you know, had acute kidney injury and 50% of them would die.
00:56:19:11 – 00:56:49:13
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And so it’s fascinating. There was a very large study in already in August of 2020 published in Mexico City where a patient came to the E.R. with COVID regardless of how sick they were at the time of admission, how big was the involvement of the lungs? The levels of Galectin three at time of admission would determine who will get to the ICU later on, will die, same, same story.
00:56:49:13 – 00:57:05:16
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Right. And interesting. I was really wanted to to to study, to try to test modify it. It was packed in in in COVID. But you know, there was there was really a strong report was found out. So I couldn’t you know, I’m just I wasn’t that wasn’t clear.
00:57:06:00 – 00:57:11:02
Nathan Crane
That was my next question. Are there any studies that you’re aware of with modified citrus pectin blocking.
00:57:11:04 – 00:57:43:23
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Out some plus one small study with the Galectin three blocker showing that the for acute that it it the resolution is quite clear there’s not enough studies and that the role of blocking Galectin three is more relevant to address the long term inflammatory response driven by the corona virus. The cause the COVID long haul. It’s really similar to what other viruses do, but it will be a little bit nastier.
00:57:44:13 – 00:58:10:23
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So it’s really about realizing that there is the acute phase and there is a chronic phase in the chronic phase. My experience in the clinic, it’s almost universal. Even if you hardly had any symptoms, you will see a worsening of the oxidation of the lipids. You will see lipoprotein ade going up, you will see cytokines going up and it will take time until they normalize.
00:58:10:23 – 00:58:37:23
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And the quicker we normalize them, the better place will been because while they are up, they are causing damage, they are causing damage to end organs based on our weaknesses with the heart or the kidney or the brain and people know it. These are the classical immune system, right? With severe allergies, etc.. So yeah, it’s really I mean, COVID has changed medicine.
00:58:37:23 – 00:58:45:00
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
We can’t just there’s a whole generation has to deal with, you know, post-COVID symptoms. Right.
00:58:45:16 – 00:59:09:20
Nathan Crane
So you’ve been talking about modified citrus pectin as basically the we call them know, if you call it a molecule or I mean, now it’s a supplement. I mean, I take it, you guys I know you have a company that sells it pack to. So I love it as a as just a daily supplement. So it’s a supplement but modified citrus packed it.
00:59:10:02 – 00:59:21:03
Nathan Crane
What is it? It’s from citrus pills. Right. But talk about the process, what it is, and how it got discovered as this natural selected three blood.
00:59:21:03 – 00:59:48:11
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So the initial person who discovered the idea was Dr. Ivan Rose from Wayne State, which I collaborated with. They published an important paper with like two years ago, and I saw the inner appeal of the of the citrus fruit, the white palate has picked in. Picking is a long chain of carbohydrate, electronic acid with a certain structure that is not absorbable.
00:59:48:17 – 01:00:22:13
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It’s a fiber. It doesn’t get absorbed when we modify it to a very specific shape and it’s much smaller size, it will get absorbed into the bloodstream and will have its biological beneficial effects. For example, all the papers on modified foods respecting our own one picked as well is about 80 published papers. And so it’s a very specific structure that is reproducible, that allows it to get absorbed and then its immune regulation.
01:00:22:13 – 01:00:48:14
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
In fact, it’s also a very powerful quality of heavy metals of toxins. We’ve published 20 and that’s why I really feel it’s an essential supplement for us to take on an ongoing basis, because Galectin three drives aging. If you look at centenarians, centenarians within the interesting study, centenarians have lower level galectin three than people in the seventies or eighties.
01:00:48:14 – 01:01:09:17
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And we look at the study, you can see within the 17 and 1880s and the group of the low galectin three. These are the ones who are going to make it to be a centenarian. So there is a there’s a correlation between the level of Galectin three like people in the fifties, a very large study of the Framingham offspring study, 8000 people.
01:01:10:08 – 01:01:33:06
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
There’s a correlation between galectin three levels and all cause mortality in the next ten years where people were the highest 20% of Galectin three compared to the lowest 20% had three times more mortality from any causes three or more. Three times more people died within 1011 years.
01:01:33:11 – 01:01:38:10
Nathan Crane
Do you know why their galectin three levels are so low? Is it their lifestyle, their diet? You know.
01:01:38:10 – 01:01:39:00
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Way to.
01:01:39:00 – 01:01:39:21
Nathan Crane
Some stress.
01:01:40:10 – 01:02:13:24
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Some of it is genetic. They produce less monomers, less single galectin three that can go to different places and cause damage. So there is a genetic component related to male or to MMP. MMP is and the and part of it exactly is lifestyle, stress, trauma, scarring. We have to remember Galectin three drives coming in. We have a scar that is active.
01:02:14:08 – 01:02:19:21
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It will drive Galectin three up on an ongoing basis, including a scar from surgery.
01:02:20:11 – 01:02:25:21
Nathan Crane
What do you mean active? Like what’s an active scar in summer?
01:02:25:21 – 01:02:50:01
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
But every scar is active now you can say no way. I what they’re talking about. And so in my book I talk about Galectin three. Explain it all philosophy, metabolism, inflammation, the heart rule. They’re talking about different diseases. Biggest chapter is cancer. They talk about solution, detoxification, healing, the cycle of survival, and freeing the survival paradox. It’s a meditation introduction at least.
01:02:50:15 – 01:03:13:14
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So what do I mean? And so there is a therapy called Natural therapy that Dr. Klein got was a driver in the United States deserves the credit. It’s the German method, and I love using it together with homeopathic and you can inject a skull in the skull can be 3040 years old. 100% of the people after you inject it with it.
01:03:13:14 – 01:03:50:07
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Anesthetic was broken, which numbed the area practically for 45 minutes. This guy is going to get smaller by ten 15%, some people 80%. But when it gets smaller, it will never come back near. And I mean, this then hundreds of thousands of these and people will feel a difference in how they feel because the energy is flowing, because the scar, is it dead, the hardening of tissue, a dysfunctional tissue where it’s not supposed to be, why it’s holding the trauma.
01:03:50:07 – 01:04:14:15
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Right. Just like I said about than ever peptide when we numb it, the brain doesn’t get the input from the skull that there is a problem and it releases. So It’s amazing. And it’s like for some people it’s dramatic. If they do it a few times. Skull critically almost disappear after 20, 30, 40 years. It doesn’t matter how old they are.
01:04:15:01 – 01:04:30:15
Nathan Crane
So I have a scar. I have a scar. I mean, I think you can see it from that far. It’s a I get cut with a knife when I was a teenager. So as long time ago it was well over 20, 20 plus years ago. And the scar is still pretty.
01:04:31:11 – 01:04:32:18
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Can you can you.
01:04:33:03 – 01:04:34:20
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Can you feel it when you when you touch.
01:04:35:00 – 01:04:35:18
Nathan Crane
Yeah yeah.
01:04:35:23 – 01:04:38:20
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Yeah. So yeah so this will be a good scar to actually inject.
01:04:39:01 – 01:04:47:21
Nathan Crane
So so you’re saying if you have a scar like that there’s a visible then is that, is that a constant chronic inflammatory process that’s.
01:04:47:21 – 01:04:50:07
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Happening potentially within Heliopolis.
01:04:50:12 – 01:04:51:18
Nathan Crane
Potentially. Okay.
01:04:51:18 – 01:05:16:07
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
That’s what we always address. So physical scars obvious, but what about emotional scars? What about psychological scars? What about multi-generational scars? And we know the DNA gets scarred from dramas and a lot of work in the Holocaust. And in my book. Right, I tell the story how I had this intense chest pain and upper big pain since I was like ten, 12 years old.
01:05:16:22 – 01:05:48:20
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And we some scoliosis had developed a no matter what meditation and I perfect yoga, you know, all the crazy poses. And it was still there. And I’m named after my grandfather, Isaac, and who who died aged 50 from stomach cancer, and my grandmother, who really saved the family from the Holocaust. She died at 98 and on a graveyard, my mother turns to us and says, you know, she was buried next to my grandfather.
01:05:48:20 – 01:06:30:06
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And we were all there, all the five siblings. And she says, you know, your grandfather had there were 12 children and Hitler killed ten of them. We never knew. We were never told about it. They never spoke about it. And my grandfather had to stomach it to hold it in his stomach. And he got stomach cancer. And when I worked through meditation, through healing, through somatic zation and release, multiple systems on the trauma of holding, the trauma of the Holocaust and and really having a deep experience of forgiveness and acceptance.
01:06:31:08 – 01:06:55:14
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And that is sensitive to talk about, especially for for Jewish Israeli people. It’s hard to even say such a thing. And then the pain just went away. Now I can push as hard as I can. I don’t feel anything in my chest opened up. This is like after having it for 50 years. But interesting, my mother, which I didn’t tell her what happened to me.
01:06:55:14 – 01:07:28:05
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
She’s you a mid to late eighties. My mother could never watch any program on the Holocaust, was suddenly able to watch programs on the Holocaust and talk about it. And I’ll share more memories. So what happened? My healing experience went back to my grandfather that I’m named after. So this is a big word healing. But because time goes backward and forward, the healing then affected my mother without, me talking to her.
01:07:29:05 – 01:07:51:23
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And I’ve had I didn’t write about it in my book, but a lot of experiences, you know, because of this of of disability. And my mother used to go come to all of my meditation retreats. Now she doesn’t. The amazing woman was a judge, almost made it to the Supreme Court. Remarkable woman, really amazing. So when it came to Israel, we would spend come a lot and we would spend quality time.
01:07:51:23 – 01:08:16:23
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And this was like five, six years ago, maybe even more, maybe seven years ago, we took a walk to the beach where my father used to take us always. And I sit and I meditated with them and I was just opened, just opened. And she submitted it next to me. And then suddenly she started crying, you know. And no, I didn’t think about anything.
01:08:16:23 – 01:08:42:21
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
I was just my heart was open. My mind was a little relaxed. After what happened, she says. For the first time, I back to the 817 when my father died. I never thought I never felt it. It was totally buried and I connected with the experience. So for me, I saw it as a great release, you know, and I didn’t try to do it.
01:08:43:07 – 01:08:58:02
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
She was just my field because the electromagnetic field of the heart is bigger than how about it affects not only every cell in our body and nobody saw anything. I mean, it’s it affects people around it. It goes through Zoom, actually. Right.
01:08:59:02 – 01:09:07:09
Nathan Crane
And it’s measurable. We have divine calls that it’s been spoken about for thousands of years in the ancient scriptures, but it’s measurable today.
01:09:07:09 – 01:09:32:01
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So when somebody sits next to me and a little bit directed and then they just sit in this field. But so one thing is this wow, first time, you know, and my mother talked about it with people in therapy and, you know, never up it just the moment that the whole thing, the protection is survival. Needing to survive is an only child with a tough mother.
01:09:32:01 – 01:09:57:22
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
You know that that was a survival is amazing. I was determined to survive. Certainly she could let go. But then you want to talk about meditation come the second part. Meditation is not what we experience. It’s our relationship with what we experience. So for me, when I hear this, why there is a letting go for her. She started crying too.
01:09:57:23 – 01:10:20:12
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Oh, it felt painful, you know, And it still did something. But she missed the opportunity of releasing because she’s the survivor. So she held to the experience. And that’s the secret in healing. That is secret. Anything is letting go, letting go. The reason why this pain went away is because when I connected to the pattern, I just let it go.
01:10:21:06 – 01:10:43:03
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
If I would have analyzed it and tried to do something with it, yeah, it would be better for two days and it would come back, right? Because it never will show up again. So is another, you know, but so that’s part of healing the scars of survival. And that’s a multi and I tell lots of stories in the book, but it’s remarkable me the power of the mind.
01:10:43:03 – 01:11:11:12
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
You know, it’s including in my own health journey multiple times it’s just it’s really our state of mind is and that was in the state of our heart is really the key to healing my my wish for my third act in life is to refine my meditation capacity and to really share it and demonstrate that with the mind in the heart.
01:11:11:12 – 01:11:16:10
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Anything and everything is possible. Hmm.
01:11:16:10 – 01:11:40:17
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01:12:59:03 – 01:13:24:17
Nathan Crane
Right. Where we think of somebody and, you know, it tenses us up or, you know, oh, I can’t stand that person or I hate that person or that person did this terrible thing to me or this group of people did this terrible thing to my family. They’re the worst people, right? Whatever those negative thoughts are, it’s been said, and I love this analogy, it’s super simple, is, you know, wishing or feeling that way towards anybody else is like having a poisoned apple.
01:13:25:00 – 01:14:01:15
Nathan Crane
And instead of you giving it to them, you’re eating it yourself, right? You are you are literally killing yourself from the inside out. And as you said, something like having your family go through the terror of the Holocaust and having those memories, having that generate personal trauma, you know, having the memories from whether it’s grandparents or great grandparents and passed down, you know, or any other kind of, you know, terrible, socially destructive, terrifying, traumatic experiences happen to many different groups.
01:14:01:15 – 01:14:32:22
Nathan Crane
Right. Whether it’s whether it’s black people, it is Asians, Hispanics, even white people. There are so many different trauma that have happened to so many different groups of people for generations, for thousands of years. And so whatever any one of us might be holding on to, we are literally killing ourselves from the inside out. And as you said, it’s very difficult thing to to talk about in some of these regards with some of these, you know, terrible situations.
01:14:32:22 – 01:14:54:20
Nathan Crane
Forgiveness. So how did you come to and I can speak from my own experience, that forgiving has been a huge part, my own healing. And I’ve talked about this many, many times. I won’t get into some of the forgiveness I’ve had to do in my own life, but forgiving others and forgiving myself has been essential to my own healing and my own, you know, inner awakening, my own inner peace and happiness.
01:14:55:00 – 01:15:07:05
Nathan Crane
It’s been essential. Absolutely. But how did you find forgiveness for something so terrible that happened to your family? And how can other people maybe, you know, follow in your footsteps?
01:15:08:14 – 01:15:47:17
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Well, it was amazing. It was profound. And I am concerned about sharing it in public because it’s too, too to really digest. I would just because for people say, how how can you even talk like this? And I think it would really offend some many, you know, Jewish people will actually not be one comprehend it it’s possible and it’s but there is something we we cause harm out inner suffering when people are happy, when they love, they don’t hurt other people.
01:15:48:19 – 01:16:12:16
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
We hurt other people when we are in a state of suffering. So I was able through this meditation to connect with the suffering of those people who caused the harm to great details that I’ve never read, actually to great accuracy. It was was amazing. You know, there were details I found in my this. It were totally true that I never read about.
01:16:12:16 – 01:16:39:19
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And so when I recognized the pain that these terrible people know, the pain they had inside which caused them to function in such a distorted way, then the forgiveness was to their pain. You know, it wasn’t to what they’ve it was to their pain that we all are in the same boat. We all. And then there was this huge release and then it just transformed into love.
01:16:40:04 – 01:16:55:20
Nathan Crane
Right? You’re not forgiving their actions. You’re making you’re forgiving the things that that happened to them that were inside of them, their own traumas, their own healing, the things that led them to do, the things they did. You’re forgiving that and you’re not forgiving that Terrible.
01:16:55:23 – 01:17:15:21
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Of course. Of course. And you’re not justifying it. And so it’s something we can do. It’s something we cannot say. No. This was after I did a retreat for a few weeks and I was teaching a lot and I was in the right space and, you know, etc., etc.. But and it was a process. But this is really what open heart medicine is.
01:17:15:21 – 01:17:42:15
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And this is and you said something really important about the place. I want to go a little bit and expand with your permission. Yeah. So people think, you know, if I take on other people’s negative energies, I’m going to get sick. But guess what? We are taking other people’s negative energy, even if we don’t know when you’re upset that somebody you upset for something they’ve done, you upset you are taking on and you’re actually damaging yourself, you’re just not aware of it.
01:17:43:04 – 01:18:01:17
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So every cell in our body, as you talked about the membranes and the boundaries of the cell, the mitochondria wants to take your nourishment and once it releases poison toxin, what he doesn’t want, that’s what we’re doing. The skin. You know what we do in our gut? We absorb what we want and we release what we don’t want.
01:18:01:18 – 01:18:25:05
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
That goes out to this too. So every silly nobody wants to survive in this part of it. It wants to take nourishment and. It puts out what it doesn’t want to eat, which is a membrane through receptors, through a channel. They decide what comes in and releases what we don’t want, and we have a dialog with our environment that accepts what we don’t want collected through the name system, through the venous system.
01:18:25:15 – 01:18:49:02
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And there is a dialog between nourishment and letting go of what we don’t want. And when we go into a place of survival, of course it gets disrupted. And interesting, that was just Dennis and just we had a very interesting study where they can put a stent in the kidney for patients who cannot with high blood pressure because of kidney issues and don’t respond to medication.
01:18:49:02 – 01:18:59:20
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And they numb they damage the nerve sympathetic signal that goes to the brain and the blood pressure goes down and it’ll be to meditate. Actually.
01:19:00:07 – 01:19:06:12
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
The exact thing, a lot less painful. That’s expensive, but it’s.
01:19:06:24 – 01:19:11:11
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Sympathetic system while the world is waking up and you just made a procedure.
01:19:11:11 – 01:19:11:16
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Out.
01:19:12:10 – 01:19:24:21
Nathan Crane
So that’s the thing about that’s the thing I’m surprised about with modified citrus pectin that it is a supplement and not a drug. And you’ve been a part of helping keep it a supplement.
01:19:24:21 – 01:19:39:21
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Yeah, I was insistent. And believe me, I was I was insistent on it being a supplement. So it won’t be populated in one course like, you know, $5,000. The only people with good insurance can get it. Definitely.
01:19:40:01 – 01:19:49:14
Nathan Crane
Well, and some of the chemo drugs today are so expensive. Right? So we’re talking about cancer, example. I mean, in drugs for all kinds of ailments.
01:19:49:14 – 01:20:09:03
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Especially in oncology, medicine is bankrupt because of the cost of drugs and some of them are very helpful, some of them are questionable. A few weeks of life with a lot of side effects, you know, and then. Right is a way, but it’s it’s part of what you call standard of care, a terrible term because who wants to be standard, Right?
01:20:09:03 – 01:20:35:07
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Standard is mediocre. Standard poor definition is mediocrity in the middle. You know, we want to be one of the creative, innovative part, but going back to the body. So that’s really important to understand why we are built in right open medicine is so powerful. So every cell we talked about nourishment in, in, in, in the in detoxification, the only organ that is different in the body is the heart.
01:20:36:00 – 01:21:04:24
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
The heart actually accepts all the dirty blood from every single cell in the body without discrimination. It doesn’t say, I’m going to take you just from the kidney, just from the liver, from everywhere. In fact, it has to get it. If it doesn’t get dirty blood into the right atrium and right and no, and then right and right chamber, it won’t have enough pressure to give clean blood to the body.
01:21:05:07 – 01:21:31:17
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So the heart accept everything we don’t want. And it accepted from our past. Right. Because the blood coming to the heart left the sick as before it came to the heart is important. So everything we don’t want, which is stuff that we didn’t want in the last 10 minutes and is multigenerational trauma that was released from a cell and the drama happened 1500 years ago.
01:21:31:18 – 01:21:55:20
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It’s still in our body. You and I know it’s science knows it. It’s coming through the heart. Our personal drama now connects to the universe through the breathing. Amazing. You know, a molecule of air in our mouth is connected to the whole universe into all aspects of time. It’s hard to comprehend, you know? And then for the universe, for the environment, our drama is not so big.
01:21:55:20 – 01:22:24:22
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It contains it. It accepts it with open arms, with endless space with infinite healing power. And that’s why it’s important to keep our environment. Not only are we inflamed our environment getting inflamed global warming, right? It’s an expression. So then we breathe in clean air. We have the exchange on the lungs, and the heart gets clean blood. And what does it how do it gives clean blood without discrimination?
01:22:25:10 – 01:22:54:06
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So the heart gives clean blood without discrimination, Meaning the water is a stiff artery. Now, the heart first thing the heart does and again, it’s an egg or it or a chicken fried thing. The how does it it gives blood. Then when it relaxes, some of the blood from the water comes back towards the heart out. It gave on the coronary arteries, relax.
01:22:54:17 – 01:23:19:08
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And the heart nourishes itself. So the heart doesn’t nourish itself until it finishes. It’s giving. The heart is the most selfless organ, but it’s part of its survival. If the heart doesn’t give, if it doesn’t relax, if doesn’t take all the difficulties and use them as wood to the fire to generate nourishment and love and compassion, we wouldn’t be alive.
01:23:19:24 – 01:23:40:03
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And this is why meditation that connect with the heart in the Q one is Tong Lin taking suffering and giving love and compassion if such powerful healing power. And these are the kind of that you learn in the morning, you know, in the afternoon, and you can show somebody three days later why? Because we are built to do this.
01:23:40:19 – 01:23:59:09
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
We are built for the heart to flow. And it’s so beautiful that, you know, when it when they’re connected with an inside to this analogy that, oh my God, how come nobody is talking about it? It’s who we are. You know, it’s the fact that the heart is the only organ that nourishes itself after it does its work.
01:23:59:09 – 01:24:30:12
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
You know, technically, the heart would have It is the the corner arteries up in the left atrium and the clean blood coming in the atrium relaxes. The heart gets get. No, no, no, no. It finish its work and when it relaxes, it can nourish itself. But if it doesn’t nourish itself, it can give. So the heart gives takes care of itself in order to take care of others and is part of taking of others.
01:24:30:12 – 01:25:03:01
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And that’s really important. Opposite to a narcissistic point of view. We take just of ourselves out of a survival trauma based functioning. So when when you realize now suddenly everything you talked about, the apple, we just burn it in the flow of the heart. And because it’s physiologically happening anyway. Nathan it’s easier to tune into it from a meditation compared to the mind, which does exactly the opposite.
01:25:03:06 – 01:25:13:11
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
The mind stops and analyzes and analyzes and debates. It does so to allow the mind relax. That’s a big job because we’re not used to doing it. Right.
01:25:13:21 – 01:25:14:01
Nathan Crane
Right.
01:25:14:10 – 01:25:41:19
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Right. But the heart is just connecting with We are so have served well in slowing us down, in creating space. But now it’s time to transition from mindfulness, which is a basis into helpfulness. That’s really my one of the love. I love to say we need to move from mindfulness into helpfulness because that’s where the healing happened. That’s where the miracle happens.
01:25:42:04 – 01:25:45:08
Nathan Crane
Yeah, you’re probably familiar with the Heart Math Institute.
01:25:45:18 – 01:25:48:01
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Of course. Yeah. They work an.
01:25:48:01 – 01:25:52:02
Nathan Crane
Amazing for years scientific research on a lot of what you’re talking.
01:25:52:02 – 01:25:55:12
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
About. I actually have I have some references from them in my book.
01:25:55:20 – 01:26:36:22
Nathan Crane
Nice. Yeah. And I’ve, you know, I’ve interviewed people from their team for years learning about and using their HIV meditation advice and experiencing all that. And it’s really cool to see that through meditation. You can increase your HIV, your heart rate variability is becoming more popularized today. Yeah, right. People are understanding that a higher HIV, which is basically not higher heart rate, it’s heart rate variability, that variation between being the higher that is more associated, it is with a healing response in the body.
01:26:36:24 – 01:27:05:12
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Exactly. And So you we have a lot of possibilities. We are not locked into one, but when we are rigid, we will have a little bit of variability in what we eat, in how we in what we believe. When we are more flexible, we have greater heart rate variability, our mind is more flexible, our being is more flexible, our blood vessels are more flexible, our immune response is more flexible, etc. It’s all micro cosmos, macrocosm, it’s all interrelated.
01:27:06:00 – 01:27:23:11
Nathan Crane
So for who are new to meditation or want to implement a meditation practice, or maybe people are meditators and they want to try something different or new, where’s a good place you recommend for people to start?
01:27:23:11 – 01:27:50:04
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Well, that’s a good question. I think that using a simple technique that just allows you to slow down and to create space in your being by using the breath, these are very good, simple techniques to start with. I really hope in the second part of 2023 to start teaching more in the United States, I for for certain reason it kind of happened.
01:27:50:04 – 01:28:11:19
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
They focused on Israel the way when twice a year for a decade and they’ve thousands of students. But now I feel it’s time for me to really share with you. So I hope in the second half of 23 to offer a Zoom retreat for a few days, or maybe a series of where I can really lead people through through a process.
01:28:12:22 – 01:28:47:05
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It’s remarkable what can happen when we when we do these retreats. Even three or four days, five days a week is like, wow, where there’s a certain diet that allows the letting go and qigong and yoga and breathing in. And I teach and guide people and they bring the science into it and we meditate a lot. And the group healing, it’s remarkable what happens to people, especially with trauma, with fibromyalgia, with chronic pain, but also with cancer objectively cancer markers go down between the beginning of the retreat and the end of the retreat.
01:28:47:11 – 01:29:05:15
Nathan Crane
So I’d be really interested in, you know, I’ve been hosting, I’ve been producing and hosting events, retreats, conferences, festivals for years, and I’d love to talk with you more about, you know, co-producing a retreat like that. I’ve had dreams of doing an event like that.
01:29:06:03 – 01:29:24:13
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It’s time for me. It’s time for me. And I think maybe one of the reason we were connected so deeply, it’s really time for me to do it, because on one level I kind of share. A part of me says, okay, just you’ve done so much, just go relax, meditate. You know, I love a wise way in, which is great, you know?
01:29:24:13 – 01:29:52:11
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Yeah, but my my first Buddhist spiritual teacher Chowdhury input, she, he, he wrote a, he wrote a letter to somebody towards the end of his life and somebody helped him and he said, you know, I’ve been introduced to the nature of my mind is age four in a vision. And since then my mind opened up and opened up and I got trained for so many years.
01:29:52:11 – 01:30:13:23
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Now in my seventies, I feel a responsibility to share what I know, you know, he would be and he wasn’t very healthy. He would he would fly, let’s say, from Asia to to Brazil through United States. And he would have four or 5 hours in the airport. He would say, try to get a group to I can help him.
01:30:13:23 – 01:30:37:05
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
I can meet with people who need my help, you know. So it was this. No, he was he is he was a true master. But the idea that when you gain a lot of skills and you refine them, then there is a responsibility to share them. I really so and so hopefully, you know, and I think there is this connection with meditation and healing is unique and it’s interesting for me.
01:30:38:01 – 01:31:04:15
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Nathan that I discovered it on on this spiritual meditation, a journey of letting go of the survival and opening our heart. And then I, in my research, the same thing that happened to me with with Galectin three, you know, which really does the same. I dissolving what causes isolation and separation is blocking or through therapeutic freezes, which is a process they specialize in.
01:31:05:08 – 01:31:35:11
Nathan Crane
So you just reminded me of this Buddhist master I used to train under in Escondido, California years ago, and he was a really famous monk in Thailand who actually got like excommunicated from Thailand. The king didn’t like him being there because he had so much power and more power than the king when he would out to the street and and teach and show up like there were literally hundreds of thousands of peoples that would show up to listen to this.
01:31:36:01 – 01:32:03:07
Nathan Crane
I’ve seen pictures him standing on a giant stage teaching meditation and Buddhism and and literally like 100,000 people, as far as I can see. And so, you know, he came to the U.S. and started meditation retreat centers. And and one of them I lived really close by. And I just I didn’t even know anything about I was just a friend, was a spiritual mentor, was like, hey, let’s go to this place and go meditate.
01:32:03:07 – 01:32:43:07
Nathan Crane
I was like, Great. And then one day this master Monk shows up and I meet him and we really connected. We really bonded at a deep level and in one day he wrote this, he wrote it in Thai, and then he wrote it also in English. I actually have it on a framed just a piece of paper. I framed it as a reminder his name was John Yan Amaro, and he wrote on this piece of paper, he says, The more you give, the more you get, the more you share, the more you grow, the more you let go, the more your free freedom is power.
01:32:44:17 – 01:33:20:01
Nathan Crane
And it just I just reminded of that because of what you were saying is you’re you’re entering in a stage where you just feel this desire to share, right? To give, to share, to teach. And and I love that saying from him. It’s like, look, the more we share, the more we grow. And and at the same, what I also love is the, the the paradox of not only of giving and getting and, you know, giving and receiving, but also letting go, which is an essential spiritual teaching, right?
01:33:20:01 – 01:33:25:00
Nathan Crane
Letting go of expectations, letting go of judgment, letting go. And you just talked about that, you know.
01:33:25:03 – 01:33:52:14
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And it really was the holidays. You think about it, the heart gives the we stop giving. The heart survival is to give the moment the heart stops giving. Where did so the heart give and then what is it? Does it relaxes it. Let go of the contraction and when it relaxes of the contraction you get you get to when relaxes of the contraction, you get nourishment.
01:33:52:14 – 01:34:23:04
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
But something very beautiful. He said he got into power through giving it love that led him to power. It’s a different quality of power. Yeah, it’s power that comes from love, right? That’s a great power. There are people who have energetic power and don’t develop the giving and then you get power without love. These are dangerous people, you know, throughout history.
01:34:23:14 – 01:34:26:01
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Right? Is a like abuser.
01:34:26:06 – 01:34:46:09
Nathan Crane
You saw it. You saw a number of these people during COVID, you know, all over the news and all over the place where you could sense that, yeah, they really didn’t care about their well-being of of people in humanity. It was all about, you know, more power, more power for me. Right? That was my sense anyway.
01:34:46:11 – 01:34:59:18
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And you see it in general so that beautiful that he got is power was an expression of the giving this it’s it’s really there’s the infinite healing power of the holidays. It really the infinite healing power of the heart.
01:34:59:23 – 01:35:19:05
Nathan Crane
So I studied with a master Qigong teacher in Santa Fe as well for a few years, Master Ming Tung Gou. And so you were talking about qigong and studying qigong and practicing that. I love qigong. I actually do a practice every morning. I stand on the, you know, the power plate like vibrate.
01:35:19:06 – 01:35:21:02
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
I, I actually stay.
01:35:21:02 – 01:35:49:00
Nathan Crane
I love, I love, like, doing multiple things at the same time. So I actually stand on that while I’m doing, you know, some qigong, some chanting, some visualization, affirmations, energy practice and EFT tapping, and then setting my mind for the day and sending healing energy to, you know, family and friends and colleagues and to the whole planet and and, and sitting in a squat as well.
01:35:49:00 – 01:36:10:21
Nathan Crane
And so I do this every morning to start my day. But it’s a combination of of all of those things. And I do it for a short time, five or six in the morning. But it’s it’s a combination of of all of that. And I find starting my day that way is very powerful. Before that, when I wake up, I start with the gratitude practice, which is, you know, meditation, gratitude practice.
01:36:10:21 – 01:36:30:24
Nathan Crane
I start that at night. I did it night before bed as well, and sometimes I will sit. You for a 15, 20, 30 minute meditation. I don’t do it as much each day now as I used to, and I probably need to start doing like a just a dedicated 30 minutes a day now, every day, as I used to do, like 30 minutes to an hour every day.
01:36:31:05 – 01:36:59:06
Nathan Crane
But I like, like you were talking about I’ve implemented it into into my day. In short, like short intervals all day long. Right. Where like in the morning. And I wake up and at night and multiple times before interviews and meetings and so I’m doing short meditations all throughout the day, which I love. But how important is it for somebody to have like a just a dedicated 30 minute meditation practice a day and says, enough, Do we need more?
01:36:59:06 – 01:37:00:02
Nathan Crane
Do we need less?
01:37:00:19 – 01:37:04:18
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
I actually studied with John many years ago and he’s just Oh, you did.
01:37:05:00 – 01:37:06:02
Nathan Crane
You know. Meantime. Okay.
01:37:06:03 – 01:37:33:21
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And I studied with him, I think, in early 2008, 2009, so very early on. And I’m so and so. Yes. So, you know, from his approach, you can never meditate too much. You know, there no, there’s no such a thing. But I think it has to be suitable for the person. So if somebody is is very high energy and it’s hard for them to see, then you just showed meditation multiple times.
01:37:34:11 – 01:37:59:17
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It’s especially important do meditation when you start your day. And I really like the fact that, I mean, you have a really good teacher and at the end of the day, so the end of the day is the time when we review our daily activity, and it’s a time when we rejoice for anything that we have done that helps somebody else.
01:38:00:11 – 01:38:25:09
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And any thing we’ve done that benefited us and made us a better person and we let go of anything negative that we have done, very important. It’s not feeling guilty, it’s letting go so we don’t feel guilty later on. And you and people can do it also by visualizing white light, coming to the top of their head and washing their body until the body becomes lighter, like a body of white light.
01:38:25:09 – 01:38:55:05
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And then this is a very basic practice. A more esoteric practice is built on this. And then when we feel this lightness that when we go to sleep and it will affect the quality of your sleep, the insight during our sleep, and it will turn sleep into a meditation practice, then when we wake up, we take three deep exhalation kind of releasing, and then we just let our gaze just rest in the space in front of us, completely open.
01:38:55:24 – 01:39:18:02
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And then if people train and they get carried by thoughts and just follow your breath and just emphasize the exhalation and the letting go until you feel like your space, the way that it gets cut in your visually or experiential field grows, gets bigger and bigger. And if you feel that you are more relaxed, you feel more happy, don’t stop there.
01:39:18:10 – 01:39:44:20
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Stay there. If it’s another minute, it’s another two. If it’s another five and let it percolate and then using it for healing. We often, when we meditate, we meditated from here on out, which is very typical. They let it come into your big foot, let it come into your being by letting the experience of openness, of spaciousness, come into your heart, into your body.
01:39:45:21 – 01:40:09:15
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Then you’ll dissolve the boundary between the outside and the inside. One of the first thing that happened when meditation truly unfold is the sense of boundary of skin falls away. You don’t you don’t no longer feel the separation between the outside of your body. You and then you flip it. And now you come from the inner center of your heart, from the center of your spine, the level of your heart.
01:40:09:24 – 01:40:36:06
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And from there, everything comes to a place where now is the openness, like when you are sending healing to every person. Now the healing is going through every cell in your body. And we need to go through every cell on your body and it goes outside. You realize that when it’s healing the field in your body, these cells were made out of countless human beings, countless.
01:40:36:23 – 01:41:09:06
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
If each generation is 25 years in, 2000 is big. It’s an infinite number of people. Two times, two times, two times. You know, it’s an infinite number. They all affected us. They all made us who we are, All give us our strength in one level or another. And they also lift some difficult imprints. So when we are sending this light to every cell in our body, we are also healing these people because they’ve deposited the traumas in us.
01:41:09:18 – 01:41:30:24
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And if we are healing a of somebody from it tells in years ago that they are two to the I don’t remember the you know there are probably hundreds of thousands of people were holding this trauma just like with all the genetic testing now we are affecting all of us them. Wow. And we just sit in this field recognizing the into dependance.
01:41:31:14 – 01:41:42:08
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
You know, in Buddhism, they say you should have love and compassion for others if they were your parents. What? Sometime when we are all interrelated.
01:41:42:08 – 01:41:42:24
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It seems to me.
01:41:43:08 – 01:41:44:00
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
That we are not.
01:41:44:15 – 01:41:47:07
Nathan Crane
That’s assuming that you that you love your parents and you have.
01:41:47:22 – 01:41:48:21
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Right? Right. Of course.
01:41:49:09 – 01:41:54:20
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Of course. Because it’s your ways. You know.
01:41:55:01 – 01:42:34:23
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It can be your children wherever you feel, right? Yeah. But at some point, all of us were parents or relatives of somebody else. At some point, going back thousands of years, it’s mathematically impossible. People who come from a similar ethnic background, religious background, we’ve probably had millions of of of joint relatives going big. So this crazy interdependence, this complexity, you talked about complexity, simplicity today, this complexity, these pieces of wood, these multiple expressions, they all dissolve in the field of love, the oldest of in the field of life.
01:42:35:08 – 01:42:59:00
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So with this explanation, only the meditation has more power because we have this understanding. And then once we have this understanding, then we just let go even for a few seconds. And then during the day we just remind ourselves one of the thing that saved me with my meditation and allowed me to to progress beyond the figure that my teachers believed in me.
01:42:59:00 – 01:43:19:05
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
I was kind of stuck. But it kept going that my my obsessiveness, I would remind myself every ten second to meditate. Literally. They didn’t. I was working. No matter what evidence they can rest your mind. Relax. Let go. Let go. All day long. All day long. So after now, the few hours in the morning would charge me up.
01:43:19:17 – 01:43:45:06
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And then? Then it would kind of unwind. And I would remind myself until the next day, until it becomes a habit. So now it’s a habit of mine to meditate when I talk, to meditate when I when they speak. And then what happens? Suddenly everything you’re doing, life becomes meditation. Everything you do in life becomes offering of healing at one level of another, depending on how tuned or until the end.
01:43:45:09 – 01:43:50:01
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
You know, that’s why it’s a journey, right? But it’s a great journey.
01:43:50:01 – 01:43:59:05
Nathan Crane
So you said somebody is trauma a thousand years ago. Could be your trauma today. You could be.
01:43:59:06 – 01:44:05:01
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Whole can affect you in your cell, can be the reason for your reactivity. Something happened.
01:44:05:08 – 01:44:06:20
Nathan Crane
How does that how does that happen?
01:44:07:11 – 01:44:39:08
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Because it gave certain genes, general certain scarring in your DNA. And then this gene that lytic respond with as it was getting very angry at something, okay, out of the blue and, something will tell us if I. Wow, how did I get angry? Be so silly, right? But then it happens again and again and and then when we allow this healing to happen, then the tendency starts shifting.
01:44:39:08 – 01:45:02:13
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So first we do it deliberately, effort fully and slowly. As you also mentioned, doing this interview as we really release that link, talked about the crying when we really release and when they release comes up. We don’t hold to the release, we let go of the release also. Then we really then the scar of the trauma goes away.
01:45:02:13 – 01:45:26:14
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Same scar. This is the psychological, emotional, and we know it. We know it. We with Holocaust survivors, you know we know it with experiments on animals, right. Where put a certain worm. Worm, you put them in stress and you put fluorescent marker and it lights up and 13 generations later it will still light up because it was based epigenetically.
01:45:27:08 – 01:45:54:16
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So this is really the beautiful saying in Hebrew, in Judaism, a culture of we should need to now, which means everything is predetermined, the genetic and we have a choice that’s epigenome and yeah, so what you and I are interested is in shifting the epigenetic the expression. It’s very hard to change the genes. You know, but it’s much easier to change the expression of the genes.
01:45:54:21 – 01:46:31:15
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Right? Every time I mind functions different, we eat differently, we feel differently. Something that triggers this change of us shifts. And if we do it enough, we create a permanently destroyed the pollen cancer, the ability to read, differentiate the cancer cell so you get a less aggressive cancer over a time, right? Not easy to do, but you see, you what’s only a patient PSA doubling time goes becomes slower because the cancer became less aggressive, the cell became less a survival mode.
01:46:32:13 – 01:46:56:03
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And we can, you know, epi for those who don’t know epi genetics, epi means above or beyond, so above or beyond your above or beyond your genetics, which gives that’s the part that we control. Like you said, we can control the expression of those genes, especially by the environment in which they live inside of our bodies energetically and biologically with the blood chemistry.
01:46:56:03 – 01:47:23:10
Nathan Crane
Right? So that’s the part we have control over, which is exciting and we can change the genetic and epigenetic destiny of our children, like my children, how I, how I live and how I treat them and how I guide them and teach them. All of these things we’re talking about and lead by example can literally affect, you know, as native Americans who I’ve studied a lot of time with over the years as well.
01:47:23:18 – 01:47:47:19
Nathan Crane
Talk about the next seven generations, right When you’re thinking and taking action, thinking about, how does this affect, you know, how does this pipeline, how does this planting this tree, how does starting this business, how does you know, putting this building over here, how does this affect the next seven generations, which in our current society, we’re so short sighted?
01:47:47:24 – 01:48:13:00
Nathan Crane
Right. And with corporations, for example, it’s only looking at the next three months, the next quarter, like that’s it. You know, we’ve got to maximize profits for the next quarter. We are so shortsighted. But as a society today. But if we take a step back and go, hey, how does this affect not just the next year or seven years, but how does this affect my great, great, great, great, great, great, great grand children seven generations from now?
01:48:13:16 – 01:48:21:21
Nathan Crane
What a what a vastly different mindset that we take action from. And I certainly don’t think that way all the time. But I’m.
01:48:22:06 – 01:48:24:00
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Reminded of regardless.
01:48:24:00 – 01:48:40:02
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
If you think or not, that’s what happening. Time is affected, forward in time is affected backward and why. The story I told you about with my grandfather and my mother was the time when backward and then it went forward. Yeah, but I just did what I did right now, you know.
01:48:40:02 – 01:48:58:04
Nathan Crane
And that’s it, right? That’s. That’s how we change our destiny and the destiny of our children. And liberations is what we do right now. This moment every day and the big takeaway from this podcast, I would say, is commit to a meditation practice, if nothing else.
01:48:58:12 – 01:49:01:05
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And I like anything.
01:49:01:12 – 01:49:07:02
Nathan Crane
10 minutes a day, 30 minutes a day, in the morning, in the evening, you know, but commit 5 minutes.
01:49:07:08 – 01:49:29:16
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Commit to enough that you feel the difference between the time you started to, the time you ended. It doesn’t mean that you feel better because some time in meditation, things will release themselves and it won’t be as pleasant. It’s fine. Everything is impermanent. Things come and go. It’s just you did something and you you came out of it different than when you came in because then you created a change.
01:49:29:16 – 01:50:07:10
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And that’s and I think maybe one more thing. If we have a great meditation, is part of gratitude. It’s always good to dedicate any benefits you have, you dedicate for any beings if needed. Otherwise we hold it in. It becomes, Oh, I’m so good, lucky me, I did it and we lose. We lose the power of sharing. And when we dedicate the marriage, the benefit we got, it’s always I like to to have the image of like Universal bank of which is always available to us, you know, always connect with it because we are all interdependent.
01:50:07:17 – 01:50:10:07
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So the relationship us, if we like it or not, you know.
01:50:10:17 – 01:50:35:02
Nathan Crane
Well yeah well and you know you started with meantime so you know the word how Lau Yeah it’s the Chinese word all all is well and getting better. And so in the, in my meditation practice every morning when I do the qigong and I chant how law I’m visualizing and sending energy to all people around the world and wishing everybody, you know, health and happiness and abundance.
01:50:35:02 – 01:51:00:18
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And that and that feeling alone that I mean that, that wishing getting your play, getting yourself and this I don’t know how long it took me probably years but getting myself to get out of myself and to focus on helping and healing others. It is so it’s so self nourished. You don’t do it for self nourishment, but it ends up becoming self nourishing and still important.
01:51:00:18 – 01:51:02:02
Nathan Crane
Very fulfilling. Right?
01:51:02:16 – 01:51:04:20
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
So important. Yeah.
01:51:05:02 – 01:51:32:07
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And so I think it’s a it’s a beautiful beautiful thing that you said. And you know what, I love talking with you. Many reasons. I love talking with you, but one of the reasons I, I love this is because you have such a profound and deep personal experience with the divine, with meditation, with esoteric experience and knowledge.
01:51:32:07 – 01:51:51:03
Nathan Crane
And you can speak on that for days at a deep personal level of knowing that you can tell that you know it personally and you have a conventionally trained medical background and you’re assigned your published scientists. And so, you know, you can you can kind of switch between.
01:51:52:04 – 01:51:55:04
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
The confirmation and the.
01:51:55:05 – 01:51:57:12
Nathan Crane
Carnation. Yeah, this is what we this is the.
01:51:57:13 – 01:51:57:18
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Big.
01:51:59:22 – 01:52:04:24
Nathan Crane
This is what I see the future of medicine right here, the future of doctors who are much more you know, that’s why.
01:52:05:09 – 01:52:15:09
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It’s happening. I think it’s it’s happening. It’s like I mean, obviously know, the thing goes down. It comes up unless we overstretch the rubber band and then it gets cut through.
01:52:15:23 – 01:52:17:12
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Yeah, right.
01:52:18:21 – 01:52:25:20
Nathan Crane
Well, that’s why I think holistic medicine is, is you know, holistic or integrative, It’s very is the future of health care.
01:52:25:24 – 01:52:41:23
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
People are do holistic medicine. They like doing it. They enjoy doing it. They love doing it. Every patient is amazing. I know the people who do regular medicine, it’s tough, it’s hard. They are being grinded down. You know, it’s a tough situation.
01:52:42:03 – 01:52:55:11
Nathan Crane
So I’m going to give a few links for people to check out your your stuff The Survival paradox. I know your website is Dr. Elias dot com, is that right?
01:52:55:19 – 01:52:58:18
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Yes. And they can also get it’s also available on Amazon.
01:52:58:18 – 01:53:30:19
Nathan Crane
This is on Amazon. Yeah, that’s where I got it. Oh Survival paradox. Great book. Goes into even a lot more depth of what we could cover here on the podcast. So. So go check it out, get a copy also packed a soul. So we actually I take this personally and I, and I love it. And in fact, I need to take some right now and I highly recommend it and we promote it as a partner for you guys because I like it so much and so, you know, we give a discount through our link.
01:53:30:19 – 01:53:59:24
Nathan Crane
Everyone can take a look at it if you want to. This is the modified citrus pectin that we were talking about. All the scientific studies about the block, the Galectin three panacea packed to soul dot com. That’s our domain that links to your website panacea paektu silicon. We’ll put a link below. There’s a discount there for everybody. The thing with this is for someone like myself who is more about, well, couple of things.
01:53:59:24 – 01:54:20:19
Nathan Crane
So I train as a as an athlete goals of being a professional athlete. So I’m doing significant damage to my body every day. I train 2 hours in the morning, heavyweights, heavy lifting, 2 hours in the evening, heavyweights, heavy lifting, gymnastics, running, cycling. I’m constantly tearing my body down. And I know that and I’m very aware of it.
01:54:20:19 – 01:54:42:06
Nathan Crane
So I do many, many things to, you know, improve recovery and so forth. So somebody like me as a as an athlete who is constantly damaging my body, I think it’s pretty similar to somebody who is living a standard American lifestyle, who is constantly damaging their body, Right. With with food and toxins and so forth. I don’t know if it’s the same or not.
01:54:42:06 – 01:54:43:05
Nathan Crane
I don’t know if that’s a great I.
01:54:43:05 – 01:54:47:20
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Love the that you recognize it. That’s extreme sports is damaging to the body.
01:54:47:20 – 01:54:48:21
Nathan Crane
Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
01:54:51:22 – 01:54:58:06
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
I yeah I the whole discussion about it in the book.
01:54:58:06 – 01:55:01:10
Nathan Crane
It’s I mean if you don’t recognize it, you’re blind because.
01:55:01:23 – 01:55:02:09
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It’s I mean.
01:55:02:10 – 01:55:19:13
Nathan Crane
We’re constantly damaging our body. Now you go to the gym, you work out for an hour, you know you’re going to get great health benefits from that. But if you go to the gym and you’re you know, you’re training 2 hours, 3 hours at a time, two or three times a day, you are constantly you’re fighting this battle of of damage repair, damage repair, damage repair.
01:55:19:13 – 01:55:44:04
Nathan Crane
So you have to do like I do everything that that, you know, I would have a cancer patient do, for example, sauna and ice baths and 8 hours of sleep every night and lots of supplements. You know which one reason I tell you in practice, all, you know, a super, super clean diet. Super. So it’s I’m a I’m aware of one.
01:55:44:04 – 01:56:05:15
Nathan Crane
I want to live as long and healthy as I can, but I also have a short term span in my life of where I could be a high, highly competitive professional athlete in a sport that I absolutely love. And it gives me drive every single day, right? So it’s this fine balance for me of like, you know, it’s perfect.
01:56:05:15 – 01:56:11:01
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Knowing that it may take a few years off of my longevity, but I think that maybe I.
01:56:11:07 – 01:56:12:03
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Should go for.
01:56:12:03 – 01:56:14:07
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It. I don’t think necessarily because you love it.
01:56:14:19 – 01:56:31:14
Nathan Crane
So yeah, I love it. It’s I look forward to it every single day. It’s not a it’s not a chore now. Now there are times it’s like, God, I’m so tired, I’m so beat up. I saw I’m blog and it’s like, I don’t want to go. And then but I always just get there. I get to the gym whether it’s at home or at the actual gym.
01:56:31:14 – 01:56:56:18
Nathan Crane
And once I’m there doing it, it’s I get all new life again. It’s like I just, you know, took a huge, you know, two or three shots of, you know, espresso and, you know, and I’m just feeling and all it does is take me 15 minutes to get into it, right? So I know that. And so, yeah, I think the love for it is essential for anything you do right is is do something I love.
01:56:57:17 – 01:57:12:24
Nathan Crane
Oh. So anyway, so that was really a long way to ask you the question, like, what is a what’s kind of like a maintenance amount or, you know, versus like a, like a maintaining health amount versus like a therapeutic amount of.
01:57:13:11 – 01:57:31:14
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Great, great question. So the therapeutic in about a month is the optimal dose for people who have chronic health issues is 15 grams a day. That’s what we’re doing the study. So it’s five grams three times a day. It’s like one scoop of use powder, one and a half scoop twice a day. It’s actually 18 capsules a day.
01:57:31:14 – 01:57:42:03
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
It’s a lot. And for for for maintenance, for healthier people with, you know, with no significant health issues on only five grams a day. So six cups.
01:57:42:09 – 01:57:53:01
Nathan Crane
So so yeah. So basically the serving I just took was six capsules, so that would be once a day. But for me because of how, how much I’m tearing down my body, I should take more of the maximum.
01:57:53:01 – 01:57:56:15
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
And I, especially after a very large exercise, you know.
01:57:56:22 – 01:57:59:06
Nathan Crane
Afterwards is better for you.
01:57:59:07 – 01:58:09:23
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
You need you need to space it because you’re doing it all the time. But for I take a lot in the morning just because it’s it’s convenient like it just fill the hand with at 910 12.
01:58:10:01 – 01:58:11:07
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Over there either through whatever.
01:58:11:07 – 01:58:11:17
Nathan Crane
Fits.
01:58:12:19 – 01:58:13:23
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Need. Yeah yeah.
01:58:14:19 – 01:58:39:03
Nathan Crane
Now I’d love to I know we’re we’ve got to wrap up now. I’d love to do another podcast with you just on you know your thoughts on diet and and other lifestyle. Yeah. You know especially with cancer and other chronic diseases. But this was, I have to say, Isaac you so much for thank you for having taken the time for being here for for all the amazing work you do.
01:58:39:18 – 01:58:48:08
Nathan Crane
This was fascinating. I didn’t know we were gonna talk about meditation for like 2 hours that we did, and I and I loved every second of it. So. Yeah, just thank you so much.
01:58:49:05 – 01:58:53:12
Dr. Isaac Eliaz
Thank you. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Thank you for sharing your your journey with everybody.
01:58:54:22 – 01:59:09:11
Nathan Crane
Beautiful. All right, so for those of you tuning in, go grab a copy. The Survival Paradox Panaceapectasol.com. If you want to check this out for yourself and we’ll talk to you next time. Take care.