In today’s video, we sit down with David Berceli. David Berceli, Ph.D. is an international author, presenter and trainer in the areas of trauma intervention, stress reduction, and resiliency & recovery training. He has lived and worked in war-torn countries and natural disaster zones around the world. He specializes in recovery with large populations. Dr. Berceli is also the creator of a revolutionary set of Tension and Trauma Releasing Exercises (TRE). He is the author of three books that have been translated into 15 languages. His academic career includes a degree in Social Work (PhD), Clinical Social Work (MA), Theology (MA), Middle Eastern Studies (MA). He is also certified as a Massage Therapist (MT), and Bioenergetic Therapist (CBT).
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00:01:29:06 – 00:01:54:04
Nathan Crane
Welcome, everybody. Super excited for you to join us here on the podcast today. I have a very special guest, David Berceli, who is a Ph.D., is an international expert in the areas of trauma intervention and conflict resolution. He is the creator of TRE. I’ve been posting some of these videos on my accounts lately of me doing Terry, I’m going to we’ll show you some examples of it.
00:01:54:04 – 00:02:23:11
Nathan Crane
We’re going to talk about what it is. I think it’s an incredibly powerful tool that every person should know how to do to help release tension and tightness and even stuck trauma from the body. Terry stands for Attention and Trauma releasing exercises, and Dave has spent decades living and working in countries around the world, providing trauma relief workshops and designing programs for international organizations around the world.
00:02:24:02 – 00:02:56:23
Nathan Crane
He is a he’s a therapist. And he designed he figured out this methodology through a really unique personal experience and has since helped thousands and thousands and thousands of people around the world to deal with trauma, which stores as tension and tightness and often chronic pain in the body. And we also know that trauma can lead to neuropeptides being released from the brain into the body and getting stored in the body.
00:02:56:23 – 00:03:26:17
Nathan Crane
If we don’t release those neuropeptides through certain practices and different things that we can do, they can continue to create chronic inflammation. And we know chronic inflammation over months and years of time can actually lead to chronic diseases like cancer. So it’s incredible to learn simple methods, simple ways to empower our own bodies to release these these traumas so that we can live free and healthy and feeling good without all the pain.
00:03:26:17 – 00:03:31:11
Nathan Crane
So, David, thank you so much for for joining me here on the podcast.
00:03:31:24 – 00:03:35:22
David Berceli, Ph.D
Nathan, I I’m excited and delighted to be invited. Thank you.
00:03:36:15 – 00:04:05:10
Nathan Crane
So I learned about story recently and you offered a session so I could experience it. So I did a first session in my living room not knowing what to expect, actually didn’t even watch any videos on it, so I didn’t see any previous like experiences of the tremors of the shaking. Like I read your website, I read about you, I watched some of your videos, teaching and speaking, but I actually somehow didn’t actually see any of the tremors.
00:04:05:13 – 00:04:30:12
Nathan Crane
And I know there’s hundreds of videos online of people doing it. So it was it was interesting because when I first saw I didn’t have like a visual representation of what we were going to actually do, which I thought for me was pretty cool, because once we first started the session, you did it on Zoom, just laying down, you know, getting the core kind of tight and you lift your pelvis up and then, you know, you relax and you guide people how to do this.
00:04:30:12 – 00:04:49:13
Nathan Crane
I can go to a website, learn how to do it for free, and we’ll show people here as well the process. But then, you know, the legs start trembling, the knees start trembling, and it’s just automatic. It was such a crazy feeling at first, like, well, my body’s just doing this on its own. It’s going into this, you know what?
00:04:49:13 – 00:05:14:09
Nathan Crane
What you call neurogenic tremors as a way, as an autonomic nervous system response. Right. That helps the body to start to release this tightness and tension and trauma. And it does it all by itself. And then it can start to take over and do it all over the body, which I found unbelievably wild at times. There’s even like, you know, kind of sexual feelings in the body, like with the pelvis bouncing up and down.
00:05:14:09 – 00:05:36:18
Nathan Crane
In my case, there are times where, like, you know, I’ve done it I think four times now is a recording of this. I’ll be doing it more times as well. We finally got up to the shoulders and you didn’t know I had like a lot of pain and injuries and problems with my left shoulder and and it got up to the right shoulder and it was doing the tremors and like, no problem.
00:05:36:18 – 00:05:52:19
Nathan Crane
But the left shoulder was like, muted, right? It was like, like was it? We couldn’t get the tremor there very well. Which then when I told you, yeah, I’ve got all these injuries and all those titanosaurs pain and stuff, you’re like, okay, yeah, that makes sense. It’s going to take a little more time and work to get it really into that left shoulder.
00:05:52:19 – 00:06:16:00
Nathan Crane
So again, we’ll give people some, you know, we’ll try to explain it visually for those who are listening and hopefully we can show some visuals as well. Screen sharing for those who are watching, but give people a little bit of the what is TR Why is it so effective? And then let’s talk a little bit about and then we’ll share people actually how to do it and what it’s about.
00:06:16:00 – 00:06:31:08
Nathan Crane
And then also the backstory of how you discovered this is like fascinating. I’ve been telling everybody I know about this lately. I was telling my physical therapist about it this morning. I was showing family and friends and like everybody, I’m like, Look at this, you know? And they first see it in they’re like, What the heck’s going on?
00:06:31:08 – 00:06:34:03
Nathan Crane
But if I explain it like, Oh, that sounds really interesting.
00:06:35:08 – 00:06:58:17
David Berceli, Ph.D
Yeah, well, it is. It is kind of funny as you could explain. It. The words make sense. It’s even logical. But when you visually see it or you personally experienced it, it changes completely. The concept of the theory. So and that happened to me because remember, I’m a clinical social worker. I was living in several countries in the Middle East that were at war.
00:06:58:23 – 00:07:25:10
David Berceli, Ph.D
And so I was experiencing that myself. And clinical therapy was not effective. You have to know the language, the culture, etc.. And so but because of that, my comfort level of thinking I had something to offer in these countries was basically broken. It’s sort of my paradigm was broken. But when that paradigm breaks, Nathan and you know this, we see differently.
00:07:25:11 – 00:07:44:18
David Berceli, Ph.D
Something new happens. We might see the same thing we’ve seen for years, but now we see it differently. So here’s a great example of that for all of us. When you get scared, you know that you tremor, you get, you get frightened, that’s it. You start to tremor. We have an even in our phrase, my knees were knocking.
00:07:45:00 – 00:08:06:06
David Berceli, Ph.D
If I was frightened right now, you would hear my voice quivering. If I was in a minor car accident and I get out of the car, my hand might be shaking to try to get my driver’s license for the police. We all know this. Even in roller coaster rides, you might start to shake or shiver before, during or after the roller coaster.
00:08:06:06 – 00:08:34:12
David Berceli, Ph.D
What do we do? We laugh about it. So shaking is normal and natural for the human body. What happened when I was in the Middle East is that when we were there, there was this one moment where there were some mortar shells being shot and they hit very close to me and about four or five other guys. And we were just standing around talking and as soon as that shell hit, we all ducked like this, meaning we pulled into the fetal response.
00:08:34:22 – 00:09:09:15
David Berceli, Ph.D
And I know that fetal response, but it was the first time I couldn’t believe we all did it exactly the same way. It was like it was choreographed. You couldn’t believe that human beings who had never been taught to do this, we never learned it. The human organism itself knew how to protect itself. That fascinated me because then I thought, Well, what’s the neural pathway that goes through the nervous system that attaches to the muscles in the fastest to create exactly the same fetal reaction in every human person on the planet?
00:09:10:16 – 00:09:35:10
David Berceli, Ph.D
That fascinated me. But then I thought, well, if the organism knows how to do this, it must have an autonomic response to come out of it. Otherwise we would live like this our whole life long. And so that autonomic response to come out of it was a curious duty to me. But then later, a few years later, I was living in another country in the Middle East that was at war and there was some bombing.
00:09:35:10 – 00:09:59:01
David Berceli, Ph.D
And so I went into the bomb shelter and I had these two kids, two year old boys sitting on my lap. They were facing each other. So I had my hands on their backs and they were shivering in terror. I could feel it in my hands, and I was fascinated by it. Then I looked around the bomb shelter, and I saw that all of the young kids were shivering like this, uninhibited.
00:09:59:10 – 00:10:18:15
David Berceli, Ph.D
But when they got to be about 11, 12 or 13 and they were going through puberty, I could see, oh my God, their body wants to shake, but they’re learning how to control it. And then when I looked at all the adults and none of them were shaking. So after the bombing was over, we came out of the bomb shelter.
00:10:18:15 – 00:10:47:02
David Berceli, Ph.D
I asked the men there, I said, Do you guys shake the same way the children do? And their answer was perfect. They said, Oh, we don’t shake like that because we don’t want the children to think we were afraid. And that was like a light bulb going wrong. That was my answer. We trained ourself out of the very mechanism, which is, like you said, autonomic, that takes us out of this fear response and brings us back into relaxation again.
00:10:47:02 – 00:11:13:17
David Berceli, Ph.D
And so I thought we train ourselves out of shaking because we have a narrative that says you’re weak, you’re vulnerable, you’re like a child, you’re insecure, you’re nervous, you’re afraid that, Oh, that’s the narrative we gave to human shaking and it couldn’t be more the opposite. If a human person is shaking, it means they’re alive and they are not afraid.
00:11:13:20 – 00:11:37:22
David Berceli, Ph.D
They’re actually coming out of fear. So I put those two experiences together. I came back to the United States. I have a friend who’s a neurosurgeon and I was telling you about this. So we played with this idea he already knew from the book called Why Zebras Don’t Get Ulcers, which talks about animals in the wild who live with a potential life or death threat their whole life.
00:11:38:19 – 00:12:04:05
David Berceli, Ph.D
They don’t have post-traumatic stress disorder. And the reason is, is because after they’ve been captured or whatever they run away, they actually tremor all over their bodies. Now, we see this with dogs as an example of been abused. They’ll tremor in fear or even in a lightning or thunderstorm. Dogs will tremor because the sounds what they’re doing is tremor out, a contraction or an anxiety.
00:12:04:08 – 00:12:31:01
David Berceli, Ph.D
And this is a simple discharge. So we as humans have that same thing. Then after that was to figure out how do I design a series of exercises that helps evoke this organic natural tremor response in this in the safety of somebody’s zone home? And can it go back into the body in time and release the stresses or tensions that we’ve been carrying around for years?
00:12:31:18 – 00:12:54:06
David Berceli, Ph.D
So the way to to activate the tremor mechanism would obviously be the the the opposite of the fetal response. It would be an extension response. And so the last exercise, there are seven of them, but the last exercise is where you lay down on the floor, you open the knees because part of the fetal response is to close the knees.
00:12:54:12 – 00:13:15:16
David Berceli, Ph.D
So you open the knees. What do you do? You pick the pelvis up and you arch the back rather than pulling the back forward. And so and then you saw you do that for a little bit, and that immediately begins to start that tremor mechanism, set the pelvis down and slowly close your knees. It gets stronger and stronger.
00:13:15:23 – 00:13:39:19
David Berceli, Ph.D
And by its own nature, it seeks out the tight contractions in the structure of the human body and just begins to release them because we’re pulsating a live organism. And that organism only wants to get rid of anything that is not helping to produce life, and that’s chronic contraction.
00:13:39:19 – 00:13:59:07
Nathan Crane
You know, I was sharing your story with my team, my physical therapist this morning. And, you know, he was reminded of when he was I think he was telling me he was it was playing baseball or some sport, something where, you know, he was he was about to go out and he was, you know, nervous, anxious. And he was kind of shaking.
00:13:59:15 – 00:14:15:19
Nathan Crane
Right. And he remembers that, like kind of shaking. And then but he didn’t he didn’t, like, try to stop it. He didn’t feel like he had to like, force it. You know, that’s kind of the thing we’ve been taught as a society. As you said, it’s like don’t show fear. Right. And shaking is is a sense of fear.
00:14:16:07 – 00:14:53:16
Nathan Crane
But in that moment, he just kind of, I guess, embraced it and then went out there and did his thing and did amazing, like had, you know, what was incredible and had he and it makes me think, you know, had he tried to don’t show fear, you know, this is fear. And I’m like, you get that kind of, you know, that dialog, that self deprecating dialog going on in your mind that, oh, you’re afraid, oh no, I’m going to do terrible and you try to hold it in and like, you know, everybody who’s ever been in a situation like that knows that you actually perform worse if you don’t embrace that sense of anxiety or
00:14:53:16 – 00:15:16:08
Nathan Crane
nervousness and turn it into excitement. You know, we have that ability. Someone I’ve been speaking on, you know, stages in front of hundreds and thousands of people for 15 years. And really early on for for the first eight or ten years, I would get at first it was fear before going up on stage, even in front of a small group of people, 20 people in a living room.
00:15:16:15 – 00:15:37:20
Nathan Crane
At first it was like it was it was it was the fear of death. It was like. It was like worse than the fear of death. Complete and total tunnel vision. And, you know, sweaty palms and can think. And it was just like the worst feeling ever. And then it eventually turned more into like, nervousness and anxiousness. But I would, you know, do it anyway.
00:15:37:20 – 00:16:00:03
Nathan Crane
And and then it turned. Then I realized how to turn that into excitement. And so the energy would go from like nervousness into excitement. And then it just turned into and then I think just with years of practice of getting out of my own ego and being like, Hey, this has nothing to do with you. I’m here to serve the people in the audience, and it has nothing to do with me.
00:16:00:03 – 00:16:18:10
Nathan Crane
Like I’m here to help them achieve the result that they’re looking for. And then I go on stage and I just don’t have any of that anymore. Like, there’s no nervousness. There’s I’m always excited, but it’s not like that. Anxious energy. But I could remember too, like, you know, feeling anxious in the back and maybe, you know, sweating and palms shaking a little bit.
00:16:18:10 – 00:16:40:01
Nathan Crane
So to your point and to him remembering that as well, and I’m sure many people tuning in can have some kind of memory of where you were, you know, kind of shaking. Like what you’re saying is that shaking is the nervous systems automatic response to allow the energy to move through us and not get stuck in us? Is that a good way to put it?
00:16:41:00 – 00:17:06:17
David Berceli, Ph.D
That’s the perfect way to put it. It does allow the body to pulse as a human organism in its aliveness, because when we get frightened, we squeeze the pulsation of a living organism. And when we tremor, it actually expands that. And so it allows the pulsation. And like you said, it’s aliveness, it’s actually excited aliveness. And that’s all that it does, really.
00:17:06:20 – 00:17:08:14
David Berceli, Ph.D
It’s quite simple, honestly.
00:17:09:07 – 00:17:38:11
Nathan Crane
Well, I’ve always felt really bad about my dogs. You know, when the lightning was thunder from the lightning is hitting hard or fireworks like 4th of July and New Year’s. Like, I actually don’t like those holidays anymore, partly because I’ve always felt really bad for my dogs because for two or three days they sit there and shiver and shake and drool and, you know, it’s like I just see them in so much fear and you told me you said, Well, look at the dogs.
00:17:38:11 – 00:18:01:01
Nathan Crane
You know, they’re they’re not fighting back. The shivering. Why are they shivering? Why are they shaking? Is because that’s exactly what the body’s designed to do, to move that fear out of them. Yes, they’re feeling afraid, but the shaking is the natural response. So that that fear doesn’t get stuck in them. So as soon as the fireworks are done, they can go on with their life and be happy and healthy and fine.
00:18:01:01 – 00:18:25:08
Nathan Crane
Right. And so it made me grow. It made me look at it in a different way than ever before, where I’m like, okay, that’s exactly Nobody taught them not to shake. You know, don’t be afraid. Don’t shake, be strong, whatever it is. And they do it. And it actually, you know, imagine if they’re in 24 seven fear for 48 hours, you know, 24 seven.
00:18:25:08 – 00:18:39:13
Nathan Crane
Those numbers don’t add up properly. But, you know, you know, it’s a 24 hour fear for two or three days straight and just hold it all in. Talk about building tension and tightness and pain, chronic pain in the body.
00:18:40:07 – 00:19:03:18
David Berceli, Ph.D
That’s a great example of what humans do. So if I’ve been in a car accident, even a minor one, but it was disturbing. It was upsetting for me. I come home, I don’t cry. I don’t do anything. I might even drink a glass of wine to call my nerves down, quote. But three days later, all of a sudden I’ll start crying or something will happen where the release has to come out.
00:19:03:18 – 00:19:19:01
David Berceli, Ph.D
It’s desperate to come out. And so it just is a delayed reaction because we didn’t let it happen at the time of the event. But the human body will desperately struggle to get out what is not helping it to stay alive. And that’s chronic tension.
00:19:20:08 – 00:19:50:02
Nathan Crane
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00:19:50:02 – 00:20:16:14
Nathan Crane
I’m just giving it to you for free. You can go download it at becoming cancer free dot com. All right, let’s get back to the show. It’s so fascinating. You know what I’d love to do? So those who are watching and then you can maybe you can describe this for everyone who’s watching and listening. I pulled a video from your website from David Pacelli, David hyphen Pacelli icon for those who are interested on YouTube.
00:20:17:00 – 00:20:25:06
Nathan Crane
And this shows some of the different kinds of tremors that you can activate in the body. So maybe you can talk. Can you see this? Okay.
00:20:26:10 – 00:20:27:00
David Berceli, Ph.D
Yes.
00:20:27:09 – 00:20:32:19
Nathan Crane
So maybe you can talk through this a little bit and I’ll play it with the audio off and you can kind of explain what’s going on.
00:20:34:18 – 00:20:58:17
David Berceli, Ph.D
Okay. So this man is just a businessman. He came to me because he had tension. And so I activated the tremor mechanism in his body and it just starts to shake and it shakes first in the legs and then it goes into the hips. But it’ll travel up the spinal column like you saw there. They’ll just travel up the spine and then it’s got to follow the spine.
00:20:58:17 – 00:21:19:14
David Berceli, Ph.D
It’s got to loose the neck and the shoulders because the pelvic girdle and shoulder girdle are connected by the spinal column. And so occasionally there now you see it going straight up his spine rather than wiggling it. See, And it all it’s trying to do is figure out how do I get this human body to pulsate naturally, How do I get it to open up?
00:21:19:20 – 00:21:36:03
David Berceli, Ph.D
There’s the wiggle. So it moves the spine left and right, and then it moves it vertical up the body and you see what’s going on with him and he’s he just feels more and more relaxed.
00:21:36:03 – 00:21:52:14
Nathan Crane
I want to pause right here for a quick second because people who see this for the first time, I know I did. You know, I experienced it first. So like then when I saw it, it made perfect sense. But people see it before they experience it. There’s there’s a lot of different thoughts that go on. One is like, are they under hypnosis?
00:21:52:14 – 00:22:10:14
Nathan Crane
Number two is are they you know, are you doing this, David? Are you doing this to them? Number three is are they doing it to themselves? They’re just moving their body on their own and, you know, I know the answer to all three of these. And anyone who’s ever done it knows the answer as well. But why don’t you answer?
00:22:11:09 – 00:22:34:15
David Berceli, Ph.D
Yeah. Okay. So it is kind of funny because people look at their first reaction is, well, they’re doing that or I’m doing something to them. So now they’re completely laying there. What it really is, is almost like hacking the nervous system is the best way I could describe it. We actually access the nervous system, and the nervous system moves the structure of the human body.
00:22:35:00 – 00:23:01:07
David Berceli, Ph.D
So it’s it’s a paradoxical experience. You are in control of an out of control experience. So meaning your body’s doing something to you. And just like you said, Nathan, you’re almost looking at your body saying, what’s it doing doing that? Why is it doing this? And people are initially very confused because we are so trained to control our bodies and never let go of control.
00:23:01:19 – 00:23:14:14
David Berceli, Ph.D
And then all of a sudden you experience not being in control and you’re completely confused. But you mean my body can do something without me? Yes, it can do something without your ego. It’s designed to do things without your ego.
00:23:15:09 – 00:23:54:18
Nathan Crane
What’s really cool about that as well is so those are different forms and you can watch more videos to see the tremor or gets activated in different people differently, right? Like if you go to my Instagram, I’ve been posting them in sections like ten different short videos showing like different ways that tremors activated in my body where like, you know, it gets into the shoulder or, you know, the spine or my pelvis is like bouncing up and down on the ground and, you know, like so there’s I’m sure a lot of similarities you’ve seen in working with I don’t know how many thousands of people between the tremors and I’m sure there’s unique differences with
00:23:54:18 – 00:24:04:10
Nathan Crane
every person, too. Right? Or did you pretty much see the same, let’s say, 12 patterns? Or is it like beyond that?
00:24:04:10 – 00:24:32:05
David Berceli, Ph.D
No, you’re you’re writing about that. There’s a generic pattern because we all have the same human structural form, two legs, torso, two arms, etc., unless you’ve had to have something amputated. But we basically had the general same form. So that’s what the tremor mechanism has to move through. But each of us all have different contraction patterns according to the traumas and stressors that we’ve been through in life that we’re still holding on to.
00:24:32:16 – 00:24:51:12
David Berceli, Ph.D
And so that’s what I try to do. I try to read when I’m watching the body. Why is that tremor mechanism stuck when I know it should move nice and easy all the way from the pelvis up to the neck and down to the feet, and it’s not doing that. So then it’s like, well, what muscle group or fashion patterns inhibiting that?
00:24:51:12 – 00:25:07:08
David Berceli, Ph.D
And how does that relate to your story of lives? So, yes, there’s a generic movement in the human body, but the in inhibition of that movement will be unique to each individual’s story or their life experiences.
00:25:07:17 – 00:25:16:08
Nathan Crane
Because of some trauma, some injury, some sports athletic injury, some childhood adverse event. Yeah.
00:25:17:04 – 00:25:41:18
David Berceli, Ph.D
Car crash to the word psycho, emotional or physical. But sometimes it could be both of those. So a car crash for some people is just a physical thing. For some people it’s a cycle. We most know and physical thing. Childhood abuse might be psycho emotional only you lived in fear for ten years or whatever it could be Psycho emotional and physical.
00:25:41:18 – 00:26:05:13
David Berceli, Ph.D
You were beaten. So it’s sort of an interplay inside the human person as to what’s involved. Because when I walk, we talk people through this. When I say, Well, your left hip is moving different than your right here, you know why? And they’ll say, I’m not sure yet. But then about a minute later they’ll say, Oh, that was a bike accident I had five years ago and I hurt my left here.
00:26:06:01 – 00:26:14:15
David Berceli, Ph.D
Now, there’s no emotional content with that. It’s but there’s still a physical inhibition in the structure because it was never fully released.
00:26:14:22 – 00:26:39:08
Nathan Crane
MM And I’m going to go back to your YouTube channel because I think it’s so helpful for people to see some of these things visually. This is on YouTube. A refugee from Afghanistan is doing Tree. Looks like you have a group session. There are people sitting around watching, but usually this is how you it starts right in the legs and the hips are in the and the process too, starts really easy.
00:26:39:08 – 00:27:03:11
Nathan Crane
Like in a few minutes, you know, you just you lift your leg, you say feet together, pelvis up off the ground, as you say, opposite of the fetal. So fetal goes like this. And then to actually open up, that was really brilliant that you figured that out. It active. You can activate this automatic trembling in the body but you’re just so people know you’re totally awake, you’re totally conscious.
00:27:03:11 – 00:27:17:10
Nathan Crane
You couldn’t do it with your eyes open. You don’t have to go into a meditation you don’t have to go into. So here it is. Maybe you can talk to us a little bit, but I want to finish that point for people. It’s not like you go on to hypnosis or meditation or something like that. You’re totally like the first session I did with you.
00:27:17:10 – 00:27:35:17
Nathan Crane
I was like laughing the whole time, asking you questions like, Why is this happening? What’s going on here? Like, it was just amazing and you can stop it at any time, which is, you know, really, really cool. Like you just your body goes through what it wants to. And then if you’re done, like, I was like, Oh, I’m getting tired.
00:27:35:17 – 00:27:39:14
Nathan Crane
David. You’re like, Okay, just rest. And then I just stop right by.
00:27:39:18 – 00:27:40:06
David Berceli, Ph.D
Exactly.
00:27:40:09 – 00:27:50:02
Nathan Crane
But you’re not actually doing this. It’s your like you talk about it’s it’s subcortical, right? This is basically automatic expression of your nervous system, right?
00:27:50:11 – 00:28:08:07
David Berceli, Ph.D
So we see this guy. He’s a refugee, young refugee. This is a training I was giving in Austria. He’s Afghani and so he came and I’ve worked with many refugees. They have tremendous tension in their feet, their ankles and their legs. I know that. But look at the whole rest of his body. Absolutely nothing is movement.
00:28:08:07 – 00:28:11:03
Nathan Crane
So that was like me the first time. The first two times. Really.
00:28:11:20 – 00:28:36:18
David Berceli, Ph.D
Like many people, the whole upper torso is completely froze. There’s no pulsating aliveness there at all. It’s all in his legs. That’s where his terror is. That’s where he had to run from danger. He needed his legs to be highly charged in the life experiences that he had. So my job is to say, well, if you’ve got that much energy, let’s try to distribute it through the whole structure of the body.
00:28:36:22 – 00:29:00:03
David Berceli, Ph.D
So here I just gently release his neck a little bit. Okay. Tell him, take a deep breath and relax. It’s all I’m doing. And so I’m going to try to move that tremor mechanism up his body. And that’s what I’m explaining to the group. So here I just do a little release in his neck. And this is sort of like a cranial sacral intervention.
00:29:00:10 – 00:29:24:09
David Berceli, Ph.D
You don’t have to be trained to do it. You can have your your spouse or your partner just hold your head. But it’s making a connection between the upper part of the spine and the lower part of the spine, where I know he has lots of energy. Okay, So now I’m going to have him then reactivate the shaking mechanism again and then see if we can figure out how do we bring it up the body.
00:29:24:09 – 00:29:50:22
David Berceli, Ph.D
Now, this whole thing, I’m instructing people, That’s why I’m taking my time. Now, watch this. I did nothing but pull gently on his neck. And here comes that delicate pulsations in his feet. So I know that I connected all the ways down to his feet because they’re faster patterns that do that. And all I did was gently pull on the neck to say, Why don’t you sort of slowly activate yourself and come on up the by.
00:29:51:00 – 00:30:18:24
David Berceli, Ph.D
That’s my translator there. And so here that’s where I saw that looks like that’s where the tremor mechanism or the inhibition of the tremor mechanism is strongest. And that’s just from observing his body, just because I’ve had a lot of experience doing it. So I inhibit that section of the body right there. That’s the points where I’m going to inhibit or not allow the tremor mechanism to move through there.
00:30:18:24 – 00:30:21:20
David Berceli, Ph.D
I’m going to force it to go somewhere else. Okay.
00:30:21:23 – 00:30:29:10
Nathan Crane
You can see it. You can see his mind for the people watching. You see he’s smiling. His eyes are open. He’s like, this is crazy, right? That’s like, Oh, yeah.
00:30:30:19 – 00:30:40:15
David Berceli, Ph.D
And young guys like this. I’m not sure why, but they like the idea of something’s happening to them. That’s kind of it feels in a sense, playful. Yeah.
00:30:41:00 – 00:30:55:22
Nathan Crane
It does feel playful and it feels good actually, to like. It feels like your body is like doing what it needs. It feels very natural after you get past the mental part of like, Oh, this is crazy. This is happening. But then it also feels it starts to feel good, actually.
00:30:56:06 – 00:31:18:05
David Berceli, Ph.D
Yeah. And I think that Nathan, the reason for that, it feels natural because it is natural, although the ego doesn’t know it in the cortex, the human organism says, Oh, thank goodness, this is what I’ve been waiting for. You’re giving me a chance to use all of my possibilities in my capabilities. And so then it gets really exciting.
00:31:18:05 – 00:31:39:06
David Berceli, Ph.D
And you say you like it and it’s pleasurable. Yeah, but look what happened when I inhibited the blockage and and encouraged the tremors to come up his body. Now you see, he’s starting to pulsate with aliveness. So I’m just checking with him. Are you okay? Is this all right for you? Laughing at me like weird, But it’s not a problem.
00:31:39:15 – 00:32:01:09
David Berceli, Ph.D
Say, and so then. Then the whole organism starts to pulsate to aliveness. This is exciting when this happens to somebody who’s in a freeze response and doesn’t know it. And certainly for refugees, they’re all in this experience. And now he just lays there and within 20 minutes he just came to life and he’s all excited about He’s laughing because his shoulders are moving.
00:32:01:14 – 00:32:07:03
David Berceli, Ph.D
He doesn’t understand it. But like you said, it feels good. It feels weird, but it feels good.
00:32:08:09 – 00:32:44:21
Nathan Crane
Now, let me pause for a second. Let’s say someone has let’s say someone like me, right? Let’s say you’re an athlete or you’re someone 50, 60, 70, and you have chronic pain or chronic tightness in one area of your body. Like I have this chronic tightness in my PEC and into my shoulder and, you know, we’re still working on like with my physical therapist, for example, we’re trying lots of different things to kind of try to get to the root of it and help release that tightness from stretching and mobility to, you know, different kinds of exercises to myofascial release.
00:32:45:05 – 00:33:20:19
Nathan Crane
You know, And it’s and I’ve actually been working on that for a few years now with, I would say, from the shoulder injury, tremendous results, but from the chronic tightness that’s been there a long time, very little progress. So is try something. Let’s see, someone’s got chronic back pain or chronic tightness in their hips or their knees or like in this case, my shoulder and chest is is something that by itself can completely eliminate that tightness 100%.
00:33:21:14 – 00:33:35:09
David Berceli, Ph.D
Well, that’s a little bit complex to answer, but my baseline is if there’s no permanent damage, the tremor mechanism should be able to help you get through it.
00:33:35:18 – 00:33:38:05
Nathan Crane
What kind of permanent damage would be restrictive?
00:33:38:22 – 00:33:54:06
David Berceli, Ph.D
Well, if you’ve had like a fuzed spine, as an example, or, you know, you’ve got rods in your shoulder as an example that inhibits the movement different than just type muscle or faster.
00:33:54:06 – 00:33:58:12
Nathan Crane
Yeah, if it’s, if it’s more muscle fash, tendon, ligament, whatever.
00:33:59:02 – 00:34:30:08
David Berceli, Ph.D
But I also like doing this in conjunction with physical therapists and chiropractors and massage therapists. And what I would challenge you to do, since your physical therapist may be open to it, lay down and tremor before he starts manipulating your shoulder. Mm. See, because the tremor mechanism is going to react to that and potentially respond to it, because most of the people in Finland who are TRT providers are physical therapists.
00:34:30:08 – 00:34:55:05
David Berceli, Ph.D
That’s, that’s their sort of baseline thing. And they’ve had tremendous results using TRT in the physical therapy manipulation of the human body. So it can work really well in conjunct in with these other methods because the tremor mechanism is the natural mechanism of the human organism. But you’re having external interventions, which I did some on you as well.
00:34:55:11 – 00:35:00:19
David Berceli, Ph.D
And my external intervention assisted the tremor mechanism to move through your body.
00:35:01:13 – 00:35:11:15
Nathan Crane
So let’s say in that case, let’s say, you know, tremor and get it up to the shoulders. Like, what would the physical therapist do at that point to the shoulder or whatever joint would.
00:35:12:05 – 00:35:36:00
David Berceli, Ph.D
Continue, just simply massage the pec muscle that you think is tight and actually move the structures. But he would do it very, very slowly because and I mean minuscule, slow because what may happen is the tremor mechanism may start to move up the structure the same way I loosened your right shoulder a little bit just by pushing into it.
00:35:36:00 – 00:35:38:20
David Berceli, Ph.D
Yeah. Was enough to get it to release. Yeah.
00:35:38:20 – 00:35:56:21
Nathan Crane
You just you just stuck your fingers basically under my shoulder blade where the, you know, the muscle was tight right there. Just basically just pressed onto the shoulder blade for, I don’t know, 20, 30 seconds and then let go. And then within a minute, like that tremor was all the way up in my right shoulder.
00:35:57:12 – 00:36:19:07
David Berceli, Ph.D
I think it’s kind of funny. We even laugh when we talk about it because it’s weird. Yeah, really weird. But it’s amazingly normal for the human body to do it. So I’ve just all you have to do is just contact that type point. Like you saw me doing the leg to that refugee. I did it in your back.
00:36:19:07 – 00:36:51:21
David Berceli, Ph.D
I found it like Spot poked it for 20 seconds to let go. And the tremor mechanism. Now we’re sort of instructed in some way to move up to there or it was able to move up to there because we created it’s a minor release, actually. And then all of a sudden it takes over by itself. And so and in your case and many other people, if we can get that right shoulder to move more and more and stronger, it should start to inform the left shoulder because they’ll try to balance each other out and left shoulder.
00:36:51:21 – 00:36:56:14
David Berceli, Ph.D
If it’s informed by the right shoulder, we’ll actually try to imitate the movement of the right shoulder.
00:36:57:11 – 00:37:29:20
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00:38:17:01 – 00:38:41:10
Nathan Crane
Now, let’s get back to the show. Hmm. Fascinating. So have you seen so you’re not saying it can or does you know, get rid of chronic tightness or chronic pain every time? But have you seen it do that in people where they’ve been dealing with chronic pain? They do try and like they’re that tightness in pain goes completely goes away like 100%.
00:38:41:13 – 00:38:41:22
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
00:38:41:22 – 00:39:07:23
David Berceli, Ph.D
I have a testimonial of a soldier who said his back pain was so severe for almost I think it was 15 years. And he said because his back pain was so severe, he could never stand on both feet. He could still put the pressure on one foot or the other. And he just did try for like 20 minutes and stood up and said, this is the first time I’ve stood on both my feet in over 15 years.
00:39:08:03 – 00:39:29:13
David Berceli, Ph.D
I’m editing that video now. I’ll be putting that up. But I get that a lot. I’ve had chronic tension. Women who may have trouble birthing children as an example. Maybe they had an epidural or it was done by C-section. They’ll often have tightness in their pelvis. It’s been there for years and they can do try once or twice, and all of that just goes away.
00:39:30:01 – 00:39:43:04
David Berceli, Ph.D
So it’s really interesting. In one way, chronic tension is a serious problem, but in other ways for the human body, it doesn’t seem to be as serious because it seems to be able to get rid of it using its own natural mechanism.
00:39:43:19 – 00:40:04:20
Nathan Crane
MM That’s yeah, that’s really fascinating. So you were telling me a story about or I think you were telling our group at the Holistic Leadership Council about you were in an another country where the women were giving birth standing up and one woman on each arm. Can you tell that again, Because I thought that was really interesting.
00:40:04:22 – 00:40:25:11
David Berceli, Ph.D
Yeah. When I was in Africa and I was working with a group of midwives, actually, and so they were all laying on the floor and they were trembling together. They were just doing the regular exercises. But what was really cool, I love is one woman shouted out, Push, mama, push. And I didn’t know why she said that. And all the other women were laughing.
00:40:25:11 – 00:40:46:10
David Berceli, Ph.D
So obviously I was the odd man out of this thing, but it was 50 midwives. They were delight. I enjoyed them. So after we were done, I said, Why did you say that? And she said, Oh, we tremor like this all the time when we give birth. And so what they do is when they give birth, they use three midwives, one under each arm holding the mother.
00:40:46:14 – 00:41:21:18
David Berceli, Ph.D
She’s standing and birthing the child, not laying down. And the third midwife is there to receive the child. Now, what fascinated me is when the child is born, the midwife who receives it takes it away, cleaned it up and does all that stuff. But the woman who birth that child stands up with the support of the other two midwives until she stops trembling because her birthing process is not over until the tremors stop because they believe that that’s part of the mother’s birthing process.
00:41:21:18 – 00:41:50:16
David Berceli, Ph.D
And she needs to go through that because the contraction and expansion was really intense and it created this excited charge. And until her charge is completely back to normal, she’s not done birthing. But the first time I ever heard that there’s two different birthing processes for the child and for the mother, and I found it fascinating. And what I loved about it was that they understood this tremor mechanism as purely natural and common sense.
00:41:50:24 – 00:41:59:15
David Berceli, Ph.D
They weren’t trained in the Western world, and so they just followed the natural organismic response of birthing a child.
00:41:59:24 – 00:42:39:03
Nathan Crane
MM It’s amazing what happens as we quote unquote evolve where we think we’re becoming more and more intelligent in our ways. And then we discover, you know, our ancestors hundreds of years ago, thousands of years ago, already understood this stuff and were doing all kinds of things like this, whether it was energy healing or meditation or in this case, you know, tremors as a natural way to release trauma and tightness in the body where we think that we’ve evolved to this really advanced intelligent species because we don’t do those things anymore.
00:42:39:06 – 00:42:51:09
Nathan Crane
You know, we’re beyond that. And then, in fact, learn actually know this is part of our nature. It works incredibly well. It’s very important for us to do. And actually these are the things that we need to do to keep ourselves healthy.
00:42:52:05 – 00:43:25:15
David Berceli, Ph.D
What fascinated me, because I’ve lived in what, nine countries and most of them were what we would call developing nations or third world countries. And I loved living with them because they still live from a body based perspective. They did live from their heads. They lived according to what was more natural and ancient in some ways. And so they really kept calling me back down into my body to be alive down here rather than being alive up here.
00:43:25:23 – 00:43:46:22
David Berceli, Ph.D
And it was an amazing experience that changed the way I live on the planet, and it was more embracing the way they live on the planet because. It was so just so much more natural and real and seemed to be honest to the human body.
00:43:48:02 – 00:44:05:03
Nathan Crane
I want to go to another video from you YouTube. I remember seeing this one after we did after I did the first session with you and you said, go watch this video. This is an athlete. I think this was an athlete or free runner, English free runner. He said this is potentially what we can get to up into your shoulders.
00:44:05:03 – 00:44:22:03
Nathan Crane
And I watched this and I was like, okay, because the first session was like, it was just my legs, right? And it wouldn’t go beyond my legs. And then by the fourth session, it was like full on up and down the body everywhere. But when I saw this, I just thought, Wow, this is so, so, so fascinating. What happens?
00:44:22:03 – 00:44:24:00
Nathan Crane
I’m going to play it. Maybe you can talk through it a little bit.
00:44:24:10 – 00:44:57:09
David Berceli, Ph.D
So that the way his pelvis is moving is through the psoas muscle, which is in the front There. But it’s trying to help loosen his lower back. So this is actually moving itself. He’s talking about it, but it looks like he could be moving it, but he’s not, as you well know. But what happens is once that pelvis releases the pelvic girdle, remember, it’s got to somehow reconnect with the shoulder girdle as a new anatomical connection because the pelvis is now different than it was before.
00:44:57:17 – 00:45:22:15
David Berceli, Ph.D
So you’re going to watch this guy do this release. He’s talking about how this feels sexual. Actually, it does only because it’s the size muscle, which is the muscle we use for the sexual movement right there, the shoulders connected with the pelvis. And now you see this movement going on through the whole torso. It’s the abdominal muscles pulling the body overhead.
00:45:22:21 – 00:45:29:02
Nathan Crane
That looks so crazy for someone who’s not experienced that you’re like, what is this guy’s possessed? What is going on?
00:45:29:19 – 00:45:55:12
David Berceli, Ph.D
I get that all the time because that is this is they have a great deal now. They don’t do that, but they always want to know, is it possessed? No. This is a human organism. So we have to think of ourselves as a big, complex amoeba. It just moves itself back into a healthy realignment. His lower back slowly settles onto the floor, and then he talks about what that experience was like.
00:45:56:22 – 00:46:26:00
Nathan Crane
Now, talking about where the, you know, trauma stores in the body, the tightness that happens, do you find that in the facial patterns that run through the body? I mean, the more you understand the physiology, you understand you’ve seen images of fashion, you understand kind of how fashion works, you know, with and as it gets tight and stuck, it kind of like it’s supposed to kind of glide, you know, the muscles should kind of glide over like this.
00:46:26:00 – 00:46:42:15
Nathan Crane
But often it kind of ends up like this. Right. Or it’s tight and things can’t move. Well, like, all of this starts to make so much more sense why TRT is so effective for people. But if you don’t, you know, you haven’t research that, you haven’t looked into it, you don’t really understand it or even understand what the fashion is or what it does.
00:46:42:15 – 00:47:02:06
Nathan Crane
Some of this could be kind of confusing. And then also and so I want if you don’t mind, talk a little bit about that. What is the fashion and why? Why is it so relevant and what’s happening here? And then also, is the tightness actually stuck in the fashion itself? Is it more in the muscles? Is it a combination of both.
00:47:02:06 – 00:47:27:22
Nathan Crane
And then the third thing that I’m thinking of as well is kind of a lot to ask in one question, but is the electrical nature of the body right how how we are energy, Our body is electric. We have electricity running through us and magnetism running through every cell of our bodies. And how this is like I almost see it as as an electrical stimulation, like it looks like.
00:47:27:22 – 00:47:51:09
Nathan Crane
EASTHAM If anybody’s ever put Eastham, any athlete or anybody with muscle atrophy has ever used Eastham, it’s the same thing. And in Qigong, there’s actually a practice that you do in Qigong, which is a 5000 plus year old practice that we do, which is kind of you. You activate shaking within the body, but you do it intentionally. You move it yourself.
00:47:51:09 – 00:48:09:11
Nathan Crane
But they knew thousands of years ago that activating, that intentional shaking has tremendous benefit on the physiology of the body. So if you don’t mind talking a little bit about the fashion, the facial patterns and why this is so effective with fashion.
00:48:09:21 – 00:48:38:11
David Berceli, Ph.D
Okay, I’m Going to start backwards because I want to make a comment about this idea of energy. So we know that the Eastern traditions have always seen the body as energy. There’s Kundalini from the Hindu tradition, there’s chakras and acupuncture points, etc. When I was in China and I was working with the earthquake survivors in Sichuan Province, I went over to the National Institute for Chinese Medicine and I taught a group of medical doctors there.
00:48:38:11 – 00:49:03:10
David Berceli, Ph.D
They’re about 15 and they did try and they were absolutely stunned. But what I loved about it was when they sat up, they just looked at me and said, How interesting. You found a new way. You found a Western way to move. Chea Hmm. So the energy wasn’t confusing. Even the vibration in the body wasn’t confusing to them, but they that I was able to find a way to do that.
00:49:03:21 – 00:49:27:18
David Berceli, Ph.D
And they understood that this is nothing but chea energy moving. But you found a way to access its movement in a very simple form. Well, for me, if you think of the human organism, everything about it should be simple. It knows how to live its own life. We simply interfere with it. But the organism itself knows how to keep pulsating towards aliveness.
00:49:28:06 – 00:49:50:23
David Berceli, Ph.D
So that’s the whole thing about energy and and that sort of thing. We can come back to that but faster to understand that for people don’t know, fashion is recently discovered. Honestly by medical science, not more than about 25 years old, I think, researching fashions. But it’s it’s like saran wrap. It surrounds muscles, so it surrounds individual muscles.
00:49:51:02 – 00:50:26:16
David Berceli, Ph.D
It surrounds whole muscle groups. And there are faceted patterns that surround the whole chest cavity, the whole abdominal cavity, the pelvic cavity. So there’s fascia in multiple layers throughout the whole body. And what science is now recognizing is fashion is the very tissue that connects the entire human body and communicates to the entire human body. That’s why when you see a certain part of the body moving down in the legs, if I make an intervention in the upper part of the body, it might not look like they’re connected to one another.
00:50:26:19 – 00:50:54:14
David Berceli, Ph.D
But I’m actually using the fashion pattern to transmit that signal. And so then the tremor mechanism responds to it and comes comes up to where the where I’m trying to transmit a new signal. So fashion its purpose is to help the gliding of the muscles along each other so they don’t stick. Okay. And then, of course, we know what the muscles are, but it’s almost an impossibility.
00:50:54:14 – 00:51:20:20
David Berceli, Ph.D
As you say, it’s only muscle or it’s only fashion. That would almost be impossible because they’re so interrelated in movement and in organization throughout the structures. If you move a muscle, you are moving fashion. If faster releases, muscle is changing. So you can’t separate the two. But what’s important for me anyways about this is you don’t need to know about muscle or fashion.
00:51:20:22 – 00:51:48:03
David Berceli, Ph.D
Here’s an example. If I’m teaching partners or spouses to work with each other, all they have to do is say when that when your partner’s trembling on the floor, just slide your hand along their spine and see if there’s a tight spot. If there is poking it, push your finger up there and then see if that changes things so that people can learn how to live again through their own body and their own bodies.
00:51:48:03 – 00:52:12:08
David Berceli, Ph.D
Interventions. So we know how to inhabit our bodies rather than taking this to therapeutic processes because money and you think it’s a professional, only they can do it. That paradigm doesn’t work anymore with too much going on on the planet or the paradigm of professionalism to be the only way for us to access our human body.
00:52:12:24 – 00:52:42:06
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I love that you have made this so accessible and empower people to do this on their own, right? Yes, they can go to I know you. There’s a nonprofit who trains providers in theory. So people can find a provider and guide them through it, which I think is valuable for at least your first few sessions, you know, is to get some guidance, get a provider guiding you because you have questions and they can, you know, help you through some of the challenges.
00:52:42:15 – 00:53:10:08
Nathan Crane
But I love how you’ve made it so accessible to everybody. You’re like, Look, everyone should know how to do this and can do it and you can actually do it quite easily. I guess the question I have is what about people with deep rooted traumas? Maybe it’s PTSD, maybe, you know, there was traumatic childhood adverse events or molestation or, you know, seeing a parent killed, things that are just deep traumas that people haven’t resolved, unresolved childhood adverse events and traumas.
00:53:11:09 – 00:53:31:08
Nathan Crane
When people do tr or tension release exercises, do those traumas come through emotionally? And is there a concern, if so, people doing this on their own, if those, you know, emotional, traumatic experiences come up through the physical engagement?
00:53:31:23 – 00:54:01:07
David Berceli, Ph.D
Perfect. Okay. So absolutely. If there is unresolved psycho emotional connection to the chronic tension pattern and it’s being held in the structure, if I start to loosen or the body starts to loosen, that defense pattern that was built in in childhood as an example, and there’s still emotional content, those will directly connect. That’s the good thing that they do do that will decide that they have to be careful of is is that connection overwhelming to them?
00:54:01:15 – 00:54:22:22
David Berceli, Ph.D
And if so, then very much they want somebody to be with them. Sometimes they might need a professional to do it, so they want somebody to be with them that simply provides safety and connection to the present moment. Because if we get connected emotionally to a past, it means part of our brain is not in the present moment.
00:54:23:04 – 00:54:59:16
David Berceli, Ph.D
So the person is overwhelmed. They can’t hold a present moment consciousness while they’re experiencing a past emotion. Then they definitely need somebody to be with them. Now. That’s how it’s designed in our, quote, Western world. But when we’re working in developing nations and we’ve got thousands of war survive verse, etc., of a lot of pain and sadness, what I do is I teach them that if they’re laying on the floor and somebody next to them cries, you hold their hand, and you in Brazil, it’s amazing.
00:54:59:19 – 00:55:42:24
David Berceli, Ph.D
They start singing a song. As soon as somebody cries and they create that connection as a community because they’re healing as a community, we don’t do that so much in our our Western world, which is really sad that we’re not healing as a family. As an example, or as a community or as an association. But yes, in our understanding, you definitely need somebody if you can not maintain a state of presence while you’re having an emotional discharge, if it’s overwhelming to you, then definitely you should get somebody that you feel safe and comfortable with to guide you through that.
00:55:43:21 – 00:55:57:16
Nathan Crane
So to guide you through it, I mean, it could be a true provider, but could it just be I know you really love couples doing this together. Could it just be your partner who’s there, like you said, just holding your hand and just being there for support?
00:55:57:16 – 00:56:19:21
David Berceli, Ph.D
What a person needs is safety when they’re accessing these emotions from the past. If they can get that safety from their partner or spouse or even a close friend, then that’s fine. Now, we don’t want to turn the partner, spouse or close friend into a therapist so that would be people who say, I just need you to hold me.
00:56:19:21 – 00:56:44:09
David Berceli, Ph.D
And this is so funny. And when it’s a little story, I’m working with a couple man and wife, married couple, lovely couple. She starts crying and he looks at me and says, What do I do? And I thought that was so funny because that exactly, that’s our culture. I just hope it doesn’t mean anything but your nice, warm embrace.
00:56:44:24 – 00:57:02:04
David Berceli, Ph.D
And so he holds her, She cries and gets through it and it’s over, see? So he’s not being her therapist. But I thought it was so funny that he didn’t know what to do when she cried, as though there’s some therapeutic wisdom I should have provides they.
00:57:02:05 – 00:57:08:02
Nathan Crane
Safety that right? You’re like, just give her a hug and tell her you love her and everything’s going to be okay. Yeah.
00:57:09:09 – 00:57:25:05
David Berceli, Ph.D
Because when you’re dealing look at this. If you’re dealing with people who’ve got really financial restrictions, they don’t have access to therapists or counselors who do. They have to rely on themselves and what can we do? Teach them how to rely on themselves. That’s empowerment.
00:57:26:22 – 00:57:40:17
Nathan Crane
Have you seen things as profound as like addictions go away with Teri? Have you seen anything like that, whether it’s addiction or addictive behaviors or behavior pattern changes in people?
00:57:41:01 – 00:58:08:10
David Berceli, Ph.D
Yeah, definitely. Addictive behaviors kind of go away and addictive patterns go away. But I worked with people with all types of addictions from chemicals of some sort. And the thing that Teri does is it helps them go back into their body because usually using some sort of chemical addiction is because the brain is going crazy, right? People want out of their brain.
00:58:08:10 – 00:58:09:03
Nathan Crane
Exactly.
00:58:09:08 – 00:58:35:07
David Berceli, Ph.D
That means it’s not connected to the body. See? And if I can get the brain connected back into the body and they can feel pulsation and aliveness from years, this starts informing them, which calms down the anxiety in the brain. Now, having said that, have a lot of people who have used this, who’ve been addicted to drugs or alcohol, and they say this actually helped them get over that.
00:58:35:21 – 00:58:54:03
David Berceli, Ph.D
Others go back and forth still because the addiction is still too strong or what’s going on in their head is still too strong. And so they like Teri. They know that it helps them, but it hasn’t been able to push them over the hump to really get off of it. But having said that, there was there is a place in Colorado.
00:58:55:02 – 00:59:28:11
David Berceli, Ph.D
It’s a rehab center for drug and alcohol addiction, and they use this regularly. And the participants absolutely love it because they can feel they get to feel their bodies because drug and alcohol numbs numbs us out. So these receptors in the human organism aren’t signaling to the brain the way they should be. And so we actually feel disconnected from us, which is what we want as that’s the ultimate result of healing, is I reconnected to myself again.
00:59:29:10 – 00:59:57:08
Nathan Crane
Yeah. I’m always interested to learn about new, you know, mental, emotional and physical healing modalities as well as things that can help us deal with unresolved trauma. I, as you know, I work with a lot of cancer patients. I am, you know, certified holistic cancer coach. I do a lot of coaching, I do a lot of research, create programs and and services and support groups and coaching and so on for people struggling with cancer.
00:59:57:08 – 01:00:28:05
Nathan Crane
And one of the common common things that we have found with cancer patients is almost always unresolved trauma and childhood adverse events. And, you know, we know biologically that those unresolved traumas can actually lead to not just behaviors that, you know, addictive behaviors and so forth, whether it’s sugar, it’s sex, it’s alcohol, it’s drugs, but can also lead to chronic inflammation in the body and can lead to cancer.
01:00:28:05 – 01:01:04:05
Nathan Crane
So the behaviors can lead to cancer, but also just the unresolved trauma itself can lead to cancers through a number of different ways. As I mentioned early on, neuropeptides being stored in the body credit, chronic inflammation, but then also the constant underlying low grade stress and anxiety in life that’s always in the background. That’s oftentimes putting people into a continuous sympathetic nervous system state where their body is always in this fight or flight mode, even if it’s like, you know, a flame that’s just burning in the background.
01:01:04:05 – 01:01:27:22
Nathan Crane
It’s not a huge raging fire all the time, though. All it takes is a trigger and it turns into a raging fire. But it’s this flame that’s burning people up from the inside low. I’ve seen it again and again, where people are just constantly living in this stressed out, anxious state that if they don’t know, don’t realize that that stress literally inhibits it.
01:01:27:22 – 01:01:49:23
Nathan Crane
Downregulate your immune system. And the immune system is essential for fighting off cancer and other chronic diseases. So this is one of the core solutions we teach cancer patients is and this is for everybody, whether you have cancer or not, is how to get yourself into a parasympathetic nervous system state as often as possible. And there’s a lot of great ways to do that.
01:01:49:23 – 01:02:17:01
Nathan Crane
Meditation, qigong, gratitude practices, high intensity exercise, which actually gets you into a little bit of a sympathetic. But the the adaptation response from that intense exercise and then the hours afterwards of the dopamine release into the body actually puts you into that parasympathetic state and helps you to helps your body to heal. Parasympathetic for people don’t know is rest and digest.
01:02:17:01 – 01:02:40:05
Nathan Crane
It is rejuvenation. It is your body going into repair mode. And that’s what you need when fighting cancer or any chronic inflammatory metabolic related disease. And so, you know, being in that parasympathetic which upregulates your immune system, it turns on your body’s ability to fight off pathogens and viruses as well as cancer cells. We need that as often as possible.
01:02:40:22 – 01:03:04:03
Nathan Crane
And so, you know, something like E that can help people get to some of the root cause of this this traumatic experience is not to mention the other, you know, benefits that come with it is is really interesting to me because it’s so accessible to people and you don’t necessarily have to go into the story of the trauma, though.
01:03:04:03 – 01:03:09:15
Nathan Crane
What I hear you saying is that can come up naturally for people when practicing. True.
01:03:10:05 – 01:03:33:15
David Berceli, Ph.D
Well, the story could come up because I’ve worked with many women who had been sexually abused as children, but they went through lots of psychotherapy. But then when they did try and they usually came to me saying, I’ve done all the counseling, I know everything, but there’s something still wrong. It’s still in the structure. So they’ll release it from the pelvis and they’ll be able to say, Oh my God, that is the abused.
01:03:33:19 – 01:04:20:16
David Berceli, Ph.D
There’s no emotional content anymore. They’re to actually able to say, yes, that’s what it comes from, but it’s no longer connected to any emotional content. That’s the real key here. A memory is different from an emotion. So you can have a memory and you could actually have the memory of the and being in the present moment. But if you have an emotional carry you into the past and you lose your connection to the present moment, that’s when you need some sort of guidance or connection with somebody else therapeutic, if necessary, to keep you in the present moment, because that emotion will discharge as quickly and easily as the tremor mechanism does discharge tension patterns, it’s
01:04:20:16 – 01:04:34:22
David Berceli, Ph.D
only looking for a way to get out, basically. And so crying might be the way to get out because crying it pulsation of the diaphragm. But somebody could cry for a minute and say, Oh, that felt great. I don’t need to cry anymore. I’m done. It’s gone.
01:04:36:15 – 01:04:41:16
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And some people could cry for hours and still not have cried enough.
01:04:42:00 – 01:05:04:03
David Berceli, Ph.D
Right? And so then they break that down into small pieces because that trauma could be very real to them still in their body. And so they cry, but they need to cry is the whole point. But they need to cry. I always feel with the tremor mechanism activated because the tremor mechanism is as organic as the diaphragm pulsating in what we call crying.
01:05:04:11 – 01:05:18:12
David Berceli, Ph.D
We need the organic mechanisms in the human body to be operating completely functionally, and they work together to release the traumas from the past. And that’s what this that’s this tremor mechanism is missing.
01:05:18:21 – 01:05:40:02
Nathan Crane
Now, isn’t this didn’t I hear you say that neurogenic tremors, which is basically what this is? Right in the in the conventional modern day medical system, are frowned upon. And in fact, if you have neurogenic tremors, like in the hospital, for example, they give you drugs to stop it. They say, oh, this is bad. They want to stop it.
01:05:40:02 – 01:05:41:23
Nathan Crane
Is that true? And if so.
01:05:42:21 – 01:06:09:00
David Berceli, Ph.D
Why is a couple of things like this. One, if you look up neurogenic tremors and all the research on it, it’s done. The research was done through dysfunctional behaviors of the body. Like if you tremor, if you have Parkinson’s disease or there are over 15 different forms of neurogenic tremors, you can have postural tremors, tremors from alcohol release as an example.
01:06:09:00 – 01:06:34:13
David Berceli, Ph.D
Now, that’s a discharge as well. But what hasn’t been research is natural tremors. And so natural tremors, like we already talked about, a woman giving birth, it is absolutely natural for the woman’s body to begin to tremor either before, during or after birthing. That’s absolutely normal. But even medical hospitals don’t understand that this is normal. And certainly this is sad.
01:06:34:13 – 01:06:59:01
David Berceli, Ph.D
But when I worked with a lot of veterans and they go to the VA, if they tremor, the VA will give them medication to stop the tremor, which is the very thing their body needs to get out of the post-traumatic stress that they’re going to the VA hospital to deal with in the first place. So there’s, without question, a confusion about the healthy benefits of neurogenic tremors, and they have not been researched.
01:06:59:16 – 01:07:07:18
Nathan Crane
So this so so you don’t know any research yet today on the the benefits of natural tremors like what TRT is?
01:07:07:22 – 01:07:17:06
David Berceli, Ph.D
No, not that I’ve been able to read. I can only find research around tremors from these diseases or illnesses that I spoke to you about.
01:07:17:22 – 01:07:49:01
Nathan Crane
But so far. So this is I mean, truly, this is like pioneering work because certainly someone to, you know, get together the funding and the team to do scientific research on this because of how many firsthand case studies that seen of incredibly positive benefits. Yeah. I guess the question is, have you seen I mean, you know, those are those are all anecdotal, of course, but when you have hundreds, if not thousands of positive anecdotes, that’s certainly more than enough to conduct research on it.
01:07:49:01 – 01:07:53:13
Nathan Crane
We just know how expensive and time consuming that is. So hopefully somebody does the research on it.
01:07:53:18 – 01:08:28:12
David Berceli, Ph.D
Absolutely. We do need money and we do need time and and professional researchers to do this because on our website you can find a whole bunch of research that’s been done, but it’s always sort of psycho emotional. This person, you know, got through this issue or these ten people I work with had these results. But we need maybe blood tests as an example to demonstrate what it’s doing, or we need to use vibrational regulators to understand what is the intensity, the vibration, does that make a difference?
01:08:28:24 – 01:08:59:00
David Berceli, Ph.D
And all of that is exorbitantly expensive. One I had one person say, if you could do just one CAT scan. So I went to a hospital and I said, I will pay you $10,000. That’s how much it costs for CAT scan one CAT scan $10,000. I would a person just to lay flat and you scan their brain, activate the tremors, scan their brain and lay them flat again and scan their brain and see what changes in the brain as a result of it trembling.
01:08:59:00 – 01:09:18:13
David Berceli, Ph.D
There has to be some sort of change. They thought I was odd, and so they didn’t let me do it. But that’s the type of research that we need to prove it to the medical field because they don’t want just nice things that somebody claimed. All this was good and it made me feel good afterwards. They want to know medically.
01:09:19:02 – 01:09:32:21
Nathan Crane
Well, even so, I just so at this is the nonprofit website write trauma prevention dot com under research I mean you do have a ton of publications on here on stress reduction. Yeah.
01:09:32:22 – 01:09:45:19
David Berceli, Ph.D
And around the world we have research being done all over the world see and some of it’s been published, but we still have like a definitive research that medical science would accept.
01:09:46:05 – 01:09:54:07
Nathan Crane
Sure. And now is this something you guys are doing more like can people donate to the nonprofit to contribute towards higher level research to be done.
01:09:55:02 – 01:10:14:05
David Berceli, Ph.D
We’re not well yes. If they wanted to do that, we could. But we really don’t have the the research is pulled together. And to do this kind of research, you need to be attached either to a hospital or usually to a university. Those are the two places where you can get the type of research done that you need.
01:10:14:13 – 01:10:25:24
Nathan Crane
This one looks really fascinating. Department of Defense Centers of Excellence for Psychological Health and Traumatic Brain Injury, Mind Body skills for regulating the autonomic nervous system. Is this something you guys did with the DOD?
01:10:26:02 – 01:10:27:22
David Berceli, Ph.D
I did this with the DOD, yeah.
01:10:27:23 – 01:10:30:10
Nathan Crane
Oh, wow. And what was what was the result of this?
01:10:30:10 – 01:10:34:24
David Berceli, Ph.D
Well, scroll down. I think I. Oh, this might be the whole long one.
01:10:35:13 – 01:10:42:24
Nathan Crane
I can go down to the, uh. I didn’t see the abstracts.
01:10:42:24 – 01:10:55:00
David Berceli, Ph.D
There’s one place it has trt in it, and they tell you what the results were for it. But basically the result is it was positive, but it needs continued research to prove its effectiveness.
01:10:55:02 – 01:11:12:24
Nathan Crane
Mm hmm. I mean, that’s what, you know, so many things that are so beneficial and the like. Yeah, it was great. But we still need more research, right? Like, yeah, it heal this thing and this person’s disease went away and their life is better and they have no more stress. And there you know 12 people and there was replicated Yeah yeah.
01:11:12:24 – 01:11:15:11
Nathan Crane
Which is, which is you know that’s that’s science.
01:11:16:01 – 01:11:33:12
David Berceli, Ph.D
At that science it’s extremely expensive and takes a long time. And like I said, you really do need professional researchers to do this because research is that one researcher told me it’s very unforgiving. You cannot make a mistake. There you go. There’s story. Yeah.
01:11:33:12 – 01:11:44:20
Nathan Crane
So they actually they actually measured it across 13 other different modalities from die for medic breathing to yoga to yoga. Nedra in MFT. Okay so really interesting.
01:11:44:20 – 01:12:12:23
David Berceli, Ph.D
To compare reported. Yeah. As being useful. And then all they say is that it’s positive it showed that there was value in it. Yeah. It needs additional research before it can implement it. Sort of like yoga as an example. Look how long it took to get that into the military for over 100 years in the U.S. and only in the past ten or, maybe 20 years did military accept it as beneficial for soldiers.
01:12:12:24 – 01:12:23:21
Nathan Crane
Now, you’ve been working with military all over the world with TRT, right? It was soldiers. You were. Tell me a story about a general who brought it into the soldiers.
01:12:24:21 – 01:12:48:22
David Berceli, Ph.D
Yes, they love it. Actually. The soldiers it there’s no question about it. And that for two reasons, they don’t have to talk about their trauma. They don’t want to talk about it. And I understand because I’ve heard some of their stories and I’ve lived in war, they’re not pleasant to even recount them. But immediately, because you only have one chance with the soldier, which I love, you have one chance.
01:12:48:22 – 01:13:11:09
David Berceli, Ph.D
If you can’t do something to that soldier that they don’t understand how you did it, they’ll never come back. Because if they’re able to be in control, then you’ve done nothing for them. And so I worked with like Navy SEALs and Marines and Army Rangers, and I know I have one chance with them. It’s sort of like working with you type tough body really strong.
01:13:11:18 – 01:13:34:16
David Berceli, Ph.D
I got to make an impact fast and then that soldier will come back and then I teach soldiers how to do that in a buddy system because soldiers really do believe in. Some of it is true. Only another soldier can understand them. Hmm. A therapist who’s never been to war, who never did that kind of fighting, who never maybe killed somebody or watched their best friend be killed.
01:13:34:23 – 01:13:41:06
David Berceli, Ph.D
They don’t understand what. I’m going through. They’re right about that.
01:13:41:06 – 01:14:05:07
Nathan Crane
So if people want to learn this themselves individually, I know now at this stage of your career, you’re primarily working with groups, groups of people, organizations, you know, whether it’s online or in person. Right. So if they want to get in touch with you for groups, they can just go to your website or what’s the best place for people to get in touch with you if they have a group where they want to bring this into?
01:14:06:00 – 01:14:10:24
Nathan Crane
And then if people want to just experience it for themselves individually, the best way for them to do that?
01:14:11:10 – 01:14:41:20
David Berceli, Ph.D
Yeah. Okay. So if they want to do it individually, they’re going to go to trauma prevention dot com, which is the website of the nonprofit and right there it says find a provider that’s what we call them. And so then you can click on that and then you can put in certain things a location as example, because we’re all over world, so you can put in where you want to go, what state or what country you’re in, and you can find numerous providers and then you just contact the one you feel most comfortable with by reading their their bio.
01:14:42:15 – 01:15:06:01
David Berceli, Ph.D
If they want to get in touch with me, they can get in touch with me directly through Dave app trauma prevention dot com. But I don’t take on individual clients anymore. I will help groups understand how to work with groups together and even then I might find a provider or a trainer who’s better fitted for what they need.
01:15:06:01 – 01:15:10:16
David Berceli, Ph.D
And that way I can refer them on to somebody that would be most useful for them.
01:15:11:19 – 01:15:32:15
Nathan Crane
Got it. Well, I I’m glad I learned about Terry. I’m glad I got to meet you and experiences firsthand. And I’m excited to see as I continue to implement it, you know, from my own body and my own life, to see the transformations that happen. So I know the four times I’ve done it so far, I’ve seen progress each time.
01:15:32:22 – 01:16:12:21
Nathan Crane
I have felt great afterwards. The first time I did it, I think I told you, you know, it was mostly kind of in the knees and the hips a little bit. And the next day I went into a CrossFit class where we had to do single arm overhead dumbbell snatches, which for anybody who doesn’t know what that movement is, it’s a highly mobility, demanding movement where you have to get into a deep squat with your overhead, you know, your hips below your knees, So deep squat, overhead, single arm, it’s like one of the hardest movements to do for flexibility and mobility demands with the hips specifically.
01:16:12:21 – 01:16:44:21
Nathan Crane
And I’ve kind of avoided that movement over the years just because such a high demand on the hips and, you know, all around all around the hips for for mobility. But the next day I went in and we had like 60 of those we had to do. And it was amazing, actually, that we did. I did three that day before because when I went in, it was like I felt like my hips were more open they have ever been after just one session and I was able to do like 60 of those with the £50 dumbbell pretty much with no problem.
01:16:44:21 – 01:16:59:08
Nathan Crane
And I was like, you know, I thought about it after was like, if I had to do these without having loosened up my hips the day before with Terry, I probably would not have been able to do them or I would have been in a lot of pain after because it were just pushed. You know, tightness was there was like I had tightness in my hips.
01:16:59:08 – 01:17:00:15
Nathan Crane
I didn’t even know I had, you know.
01:17:01:06 – 01:17:30:06
David Berceli, Ph.D
Right, exactly. That’s the key. We don’t know. We have it. And the tremor mechanism knows it’s there, binds it and releases it. And what you just said, Nathan, is what all fitness people tell me. And this is why it should be in a fitness program, because it actually gives you an edge of it. You tighten your muscles during the fitness training, but then there’s got to be a release mechanism so that they can continue to pulsate.
01:17:30:06 – 01:17:41:10
David Berceli, Ph.D
And like you said, they spread out and they breathe rather than being tucks stuck tightly like that. And so fitness people would do really well to include this in their fitness program.
01:17:41:16 – 01:18:13:23
Nathan Crane
Mm Awesome. Well, Dave, thank you so much for the time. Thanks for your, you know, dedication and passion and commitment to helping humanity. I know how much you deeply care about helping people. I see it firsthand. You just want to get this out to as many people as possible. So I hope everyone tuning in actually goes and tries this and weather Trump prevention com go to Dave’s YouTube go to his website email him if you want to get in touch with him about working, bringing this into groups, whatever kind of group you might have.
01:18:13:23 – 01:18:34:05
Nathan Crane
I see so much benefit for all kinds of people all over the world, from athletes to, you know, chronic pain to people dealing with traumatic PTSD traumatic issues, tightness, everything. There’s so much benefit available to people. So I hope people go and try it. And Dave, thank you so much. Appreciate you being here.
01:18:34:20 – 01:18:37:19
David Berceli, Ph.D
Thanks, Nathan. It was fun talking to you again.