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Audio Transcript

 

(This transcript was auto-generated so there may be some errors)

00:00:00:00 – 00:00:09:00
Nathan Crane
Welcome back to the podcast. I am excited today to have my friend Deanna Hansen here with us. Deanna thanks for thanks for coming on.

00:00:10:00 – 00:00:12:09
Deanna Hansen
Thanks, Nate. Nathan, it’s a pleasure to be here. Very excited.

00:00:12:20 – 00:00:42:07
Nathan Crane
So those who don’t know Deanna Deanna is a pioneer in the field of fashion, decompression for physical and emotional transformation. She has more than 20 years of hands on clinical experience. She created something called block therapy, which is a faster release technique to relieve chronic pain and disease and encourage healthy detoxification and reverse the aging process. Some pretty big claims there for, you know, sitting on a block for minutes at a time and decompressing fashion.

00:00:42:09 – 00:01:09:19
Nathan Crane
Right. So that’s what I want to get into this with you is, you know, there’s a lot of talk about fashion now, I think especially in the sports community, even in, you know, the pain community. Understanding fashion at a deep level. And I think there’s still there’s a lot more being understood about fashion today than ever before. But I think still a very tiny percentage of people understand what fashion is, what it does, how it works.

00:01:09:19 – 00:01:35:16
Nathan Crane
Right, and then what we can do about it to actually eliminate the pain from our bodies and to live healthy mobile pain free lives. And how it also relates to chronic disease, how it relates to aging, how it relates to even, you know, skin issues and cosmetic issues and all kinds of things like fashion. So fascinating. So you’re a true expert and pioneer in this field.

00:01:35:17 – 00:01:58:18
Nathan Crane
I mean, you and I were talking at our retreat a few months back. And, you know, you told me even years ago you were going to the first ever, like, fashion conferences. And and even at that point, it seemed kind of superficial to what you had been learning about fashion. So maybe we started like a high level and then we’ll start to get really granular about like what is fashion?

00:01:59:04 – 00:02:04:21
Nathan Crane
And what have you learned about it over the years that you think is is cutting edge that maybe a lot of people don’t know yet about it?

00:02:06:12 – 00:02:35:01
Deanna Hansen
So it started for me back when I was basically working on my own body to try to understand what was going wrong with myself. So as an athletic therapist, trained, which would be like a physiotherapist in the States, but focusing on elite athletes, I was doing the work. I was I was doing the exercising, I was dieting, I was doing the things that I was trained and led to believe were the steps that would actually make my body healthy.

00:02:35:08 – 00:02:56:04
Deanna Hansen
And it was completely going in the different direction than health. The harder that I worked the 400 sit ups of data, you know, working with weights in the gym, the running training for half marathons, the Tebow, all of that stuff. The more that I work, the more compressed my body became. I also have a very different understanding now of what is healthy eating compared to back then.

00:02:56:04 – 00:03:17:07
Deanna Hansen
So I’m 55 now, so this is like 30 plus years ago. So, you know, the dieting like the Diet Coke. Oh, my gosh. I mean, all of that stuff, right? Like, you know, very, very unhealthy in that regard. But it was when I finally started taking yoga and I had a beautiful yoga instructor, the first class, who every 30 seconds she would remind us to breathe.

00:03:17:07 – 00:03:39:23
Deanna Hansen
And about every time she would remind us to breathe, I recognized I was holding my breath or breathing in a very shallow way. So at the same time as that was happening, I was also undergoing some major changes in my life. And those changes created some severe anxiety attacks. And it was this one anxiety attack in particular that was the seed of everything to come, because in that moment of panic, I actually thought I was going to die.

00:03:39:23 – 00:04:02:00
Deanna Hansen
My breath was frozen. So for some reason, I dove my hand into my abdomen and in that moment connected to pain. But the pain brought me out of my my anxiety. So I was back in my body. I felt grounded. I’m like, okay, I’m breathing, I’m alive. But then what was really fascinating, because up until that moment, I had focused on deep tissue work with my clients and I was very aware of what scar tissue felt like under my fingertips.

00:04:02:00 – 00:04:31:11
Deanna Hansen
But because I carried £50 of extra weight and primarily in my belly, I hated that area, so I never touched it. So now I’m diving my hand into this tissue. And what was fascinating in that moment was it felt marbled like scar tissue, even though I hadn’t had any injury or surgery specifically in that space. So suddenly all of these understandings started to come together for me that no wonder when I’m coming home from a five mile run, dripping wet with sweat, my belly would still feel cold.

00:04:32:01 – 00:04:51:23
Deanna Hansen
So for the first evening, I just was intuitively exploring with my hands in the space for maybe 30, 45 minutes. And what was really amazing was I felt calm. And then the next day I went to work and I was a little tender from the work, but that tenderness kept me grounded and I was excited to go back home and dove back into this tissue, this flash of tissue.

00:04:52:08 – 00:05:12:18
Deanna Hansen
And even though I didn’t even know that that’s what it was at the time, I was just moving through my my belly. And after the second night of doing that similar work, when I stood up, I felt taller. And when I looked at myself in the mirror, my belly was flatter than it had looked in years. So this became my new approach to understanding my own body.

00:05:13:05 – 00:05:32:19
Deanna Hansen
After a couple of weeks, my chronic low back pain was going away. So now I’m flipping my patients on to their backs and I’m doing a very similar process in my own body. As I’m doing on my clients. I started seeing increased total results and it changes with them. So that was almost 25 years ago now, and that was the beginning of my deeper understanding into the fascist system.

00:05:33:03 – 00:05:48:21
Deanna Hansen
So as I continued to work on clients and then eventually attracted therapists that wanted to learn what I was doing, I really started to piece together what was going on. And I remember it was about two years in when a woman said, You need to be teaching this. And I thought, I don’t even really know what I’m doing.

00:05:48:21 – 00:06:08:10
Deanna Hansen
Like I’m kind of going with the flow. It’s all very intuitive. So then I started to really pay attention to what my hands were doing and what my fingers were uncovering. And what was amazing was that, you know, as as a therapist, especially for dealing with body work, at least back in my day, you know, massage was stroking.

00:06:08:23 – 00:06:28:08
Deanna Hansen
There would be a lot of stroking. There would be a connect, a disconnect, connect the disconnect. Yet when I was working my own body, I maintained pressure. And as I was really paying attention to the pattern that my fingers were taking, I recognized I was following the Fibonacci sequence, so I started diving into more literature about the Fibonacci sequence.

00:06:28:14 – 00:07:00:17
Deanna Hansen
And then this really brought to light this whole deeper understanding as to what my fingers were uncovering as information. So now fast forward to now and you know, a few years back, I can really understand this beautiful fabric of the fashion. So it’s this connector of every single cell in the body that connects every other cell. So like the cell membrane of each cell interconnected through this beautiful system which communicates all cells in the body, and it also provides both stability and mobility.

00:07:00:22 – 00:07:30:15
Deanna Hansen
It’s a combination of primarily collagen and elastin. So the collagen gives us the structure. The elastin gives us that opportunity to move freely within our bodies. And when there’s balance, this is the key, because when there’s balance of these proteins, now every one of our cells in our body is in its correct space. And as long as it’s incorrect space, there is optimal space within and around the cell for ease, the flow of nutrients into the cell, as well as ease of removal of toxins and waste away from the cell.

00:07:30:24 – 00:07:55:03
Deanna Hansen
So that’s just perfectly aligned body. But in order to have that, we have to understand how to breathe, die fanatically, how to use our body in a balanced and symmetrical way. And that’s just not the reality of where we are as humans, because we’re under this constant force of gravity. We’re dominant on one side of the body. So over time, what happens with these forces is we wind up and we age in a forward rotational direction.

00:07:55:15 – 00:08:17:04
Deanna Hansen
And what’s happening in the fascia is the collagen component, those building blocks that give us our structure, it starts to migrate to areas of need. So for example, if I’m sitting in front of a computer for decades with a collapse in my core, the collagen over time has migrated to stop me from falling over and landing on my face.

00:08:17:04 – 00:08:39:20
Deanna Hansen
Basically, it’s creating false walls and false floors, but that collagen, as it migrates, it will grip and adhere to everything in its pathway, including bone with a force of up to £2,000 per square inch. So this is really like an important thing to understand and the intensity of the power of what this magnetic seal is doing inside of our body.

00:08:40:01 – 00:08:59:12
Deanna Hansen
Because you can know, you can say to somebody, you need to stand up straight and they can likely pull their body into that proper alignment. But as soon as they begin to become unconscious, they’re going to get pulled right back into those negative alignments of where that collagen is gripping without incredible force. So this is really what my world is all about.

00:08:59:12 – 00:09:21:12
Deanna Hansen
It’s about looking at bodies and understanding where these false walls and false wars, false walls and floors have migrated and built up so that we can understand how to release those because they act like scar tissue blocking blood and oxygen flow to cells, as well as keeping the system congested and toxic.

00:09:21:12 – 00:09:41:16
Nathan Crane
So you said a lot. I want to unpack, but first of all, to go back to the Fibonacci sequence. So when you say that your hands were kind of following this Fibonacci sequence, like you would start as your zero is kind of deep pressure massaging yourself, right? You would start like a wide big spiral and then go in like into a smaller, like, is this what you mean?

00:09:41:16 – 00:09:43:19
Nathan Crane
Like if you were kind of doing this naturally.

00:09:44:13 – 00:10:05:22
Deanna Hansen
I was doing it naturally. But what was first really apparent to me was that my hands looked chaotic. And so trying to understand the chaos and I observe the pattern of water moving or smoke leaving a pipe. If you see smoke leaving a pipe right at the source of the heat, it leaves as a wave. Then it starts to spiral, then it turns into chaos.

00:10:06:09 – 00:10:28:20
Deanna Hansen
So that’s what’s happening in the body and the outer portion of the body where my hands initially would work into, that’s the coldest portion. So I was observing that my hands were moving in this chaotic pattern. And then as soon as I would hit an area of density, my hands would intuitively start to spiral. And then after time then you would start to get that flow.

00:10:29:08 – 00:11:08:00
Deanna Hansen
So that was how I understood really how to piece together what my hands were intuitively doing with this notion of the Fibonacci sequence. Because our bodies are built from this architecture or as well as how the body ages, it spirals down and chaotic patterns over time. So for us to be able to release that and get to the bone, we need to follow that path of least resistance, which is basically moving backwards through time in your tissue so that we can open up those spaces of compression, pump life back into those spaces through teaching proper diaphragmatic breathing, and then own those spaces through understanding how to use your body in a balanced and symmetrical way.

00:11:08:19 – 00:11:26:10
Nathan Crane
Yeah, as a complete system that you teach in block therapy. So in terms of Fibonacci, the Fibonacci sequence, when we do block therapy, you know, you’re you’re sitting on that block from, you know, you’re spending at least 3 minutes. That’s one of your principles. Right. And so you’re not we’re not you’re not typically having us like move in spirals.

00:11:26:19 – 00:11:38:15
Nathan Crane
We might kind of move around a little bit, but does that seem to not matter? Like you don’t have to move in spirals to get great results? Or would you get better results if you kind of move in a spiral with block therapy.

00:11:39:06 – 00:12:01:15
Deanna Hansen
With with the hands, you know, as the therapist working on the body or even with your hands working on your own tissue. My hands definitely are following those seams of time and I’m doing them in spiral patterns, what we’re doing with the block. So if I just make sure this is what the block looks like and we don’t just sit on it, we most and most specifically were lying on it through all parts of the body.

00:12:01:15 – 00:12:30:08
Deanna Hansen
So you get into the position and then the combination of activating proper diaphragmatic breathing, that in itself is creating motion inside your body. And what we’re doing is we’re connecting to pain because adhesions basically are showing you where our pain is, showing you where the adhesions are. So as you start to dove in, you move in, you allow that sinking to happen because pressure over time creates a heating, so you begin to sink and then those pressure fibers kick in and that changes the pain.

00:12:30:08 – 00:12:51:23
Deanna Hansen
And of course, you’re in control of how much pain you allow. And we always share your breath as your guide with this. But as we get to that point where you’re ready to search for more pain, that’s when we have you. SHEAR So we have you twisting on the block, and that’s taking you into that movement of moving deeper through the layers so that shear ring, it’s helping to release the magnetic seal.

00:12:51:23 – 00:13:08:18
Deanna Hansen
And that’s the thing. It’s a magnetic seal. If you had magnets far enough apart from each other, they have no attraction. Bring them close together. They seal with a force. If I wanted to try and pull my hands apart, if they were too magnets, not going to happen. But I can share them apart. So that’s why we go in through the blocking we shear.

00:13:08:18 – 00:13:35:13
Deanna Hansen
So you twist and you turn very slowly. We’re not sliding on the surface. We’re deep into the fascia and then we’re just moving like micro movements. But in that in that shearing capacity and that’s connecting you into that Fibonacci sequence. Even doing this with the hand, this is the Fibonacci sequence. So everything in the body, again, just our movements are based in this patterning of the architecture, of everything in nature.

00:13:36:06 – 00:13:57:02
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that is really fascinating how you can you can from a macrocosm to a microcosm from, you know, you look at stars in the universe and the planets and how things work and move and interact, you know, all the way down to the bacteria inside of our guts, right? All the way to the fashion, to, you know, to the cells themselves.

00:13:57:09 – 00:14:24:05
Nathan Crane
Like it’s a it’s such a similarity between all living beings at a cellular level, at a organism level, at a planetary level, where, you know, it’s all connected. And you can see all of these natural Fibonacci sequence spirals in every aspect of nature, even inside ourselves. And even as you discovered in helping to release fashion by kind of moving in these ways, which is super fascinating.

00:14:24:12 – 00:14:25:09
Nathan Crane
It’s really incredible.

00:14:25:17 – 00:14:45:16
Deanna Hansen
That and to me, this is just wild. I’ve read that the amount of space between the planets equals the amount of space between them matter in the body, which is just so hard to comprehend, because when we’re looking outward, we think of this vast space and here we’ve got this physical body that we can palpate that feels material.

00:14:45:16 – 00:14:49:07
Deanna Hansen
And it is, but it’s mostly made up of space, which is just.

00:14:49:07 – 00:15:30:00
Nathan Crane
Wow, right. I mean, technically, they say that our you know, there’s 99% or 99.9% space between atoms in our cells. Right. So we’re like technically in 99% ether or 99.9%, you know, space between the actual matter, which is which is pretty incredible if you think about it. But then you look at energy and how energy works and then energy medicine and how that works and how, you know, a thought here can be received anywhere in the universe in that moment because everything’s connected through this timeless web of, of, of energy throughout the entire universe.

00:15:30:00 – 00:15:51:19
Nathan Crane
It’s like, okay, this is really deep stuff. And, you know, the power of the mind with the power of the breath and the power of the physical, we can actually start to do something to reclaim our body’s natural, you know, energetic health and vitality, which is what you’ve combined together at block therapy. Right. It’s it’s a diaphragmatic breathing.

00:15:51:19 – 00:16:30:00
Nathan Crane
It’s a deep breathing, breathing oxygen into the cells. What you say in your program, what I’ve heard you say in your classes, is, you know, those those cells of the fascia, they’re kind of locked up. Like they’re not getting as much oxygen or enough oxygen to really help them thrive. Right. And so losing them, basically, you know, the heat, the compression, and then helping to loosen and release the adhesions to the bone, as you say, is 2000 square to £2,000 per square inch, adhered to the bone, releasing it and then breathing in the oxygen into it, like breathes life back into it so that your fascia can get back into alignment and harmony.

00:16:30:00 – 00:16:30:13
Nathan Crane
Is that right?

00:16:31:04 – 00:16:55:14
Deanna Hansen
Absolutely. And that’s really the whole goal. It’s it’s to put that space back into the body because again, over time with gravity constantly pulling us down, if we’re not conscious of how to use our body properly, we let gravity win where if we understand every action has an equal and opposite reaction, the exhalation phase of the diaphragm is when the diaphragm is lifting against gravity.

00:16:55:14 – 00:17:15:23
Deanna Hansen
So it’s the counterforce to gravity. Yet very few people are really connected to that full exhalation. Another thing that’s really important about that full exhale and generally feel like exhale for a count of six, inhale for a count of four, live in the exhale because that increases the carbon monoxide, the carbon monoxide in the body. And that’s important.

00:17:16:01 – 00:17:49:14
Deanna Hansen
Carbon dioxide monoxide. The carbon. Yeah, and that’s important because that is the currency for the oxygen to release from the hemoglobin to get into the cell. So if we’re doing breath work and we think we’re doing it properly by like pulling in a whole big in breath, but we don’t really focus on that. Exhale. We can increase the oxygen potential in the blood, but if it doesn’t jump from the hemoglobin into the cell, it’s not getting where it needs to go because we want all of our cells properly fed that ATP activation.

00:17:49:14 – 00:18:06:01
Deanna Hansen
It’s it requires oxygen. And so most people are very depleted in oxygen and, you know, I again, I’m making generalizations based on what makes sense to me, but they say we use 10% of our brain. I believe we are only using 10% of our potential for breath.

00:18:06:01 – 00:18:29:12
Nathan Crane
So yeah, it’s impressive. The brain thing is interesting because the more I’ve looked into that, it’s like they say, Oh, actually we use 100% of our brain, just never at the same time, right? Like we use different parts of the brain at all, different times depending on what we’re doing. And then, you know, I always I used to interpret that when I used to hear her that years ago, I was like, Oh, there’s 90% of my brain I’m never using, but I don’t think that’s totally accurate.

00:18:29:12 – 00:18:50:16
Nathan Crane
Now is like now you use every part of your brain, it’s just different times. And but many of us are not using the full potential of our brain either, right. Because of stress, chronic stress overload, pain, all different kinds of things that, you know, trauma, emotional, you know, whether we’re depressed or anxious, there are parts of our brain that we’re not tapping into very often.

00:18:50:22 – 00:19:11:20
Nathan Crane
Certainly, if you’re not, like, doing creative things or creatively thinking or, you know, as an athlete, you understand getting into the zone, right? Getting into the present moment or into deep meditation activates different parts of the brain. I would imagine that if we hooked up some electrodes and looked at the brain, when you’re doing block therapy, you’re definitely activating a lot of different parts of the brain.

00:19:12:06 – 00:19:34:05
Nathan Crane
But the deep breathing with the activation of the pain, with the release of the, you know, but at the same time, that pain can lead you to feeling good, right? You’re going to release neurochemicals that also it’s like can lead to a good pain feeling like when you’ve had a deep massage like, oh, that hurts, but it feels so good, you know I definitely get that would block therapy at time so and then there are other times I was like oh that’s just so painful.

00:19:34:05 – 00:19:45:17
Nathan Crane
I just have to breathe as deep as I can, breathe through it as deep as I can and try to relax. But yeah, I’ve been experimenting with it and and I think it’s it’s super fascinating.

00:19:46:21 – 00:20:07:08
Deanna Hansen
But pain got great if we can just sort of just chat a little bit more about that, bring peace, too, because when we when our diaphragm is functioning to its full capacity, it was in Stephen Cope’s book, Yoga and the True Self, where I first read and he shared that we can feed the body up to 600% more oxygen breathing diaphragmatic.

00:20:07:08 – 00:20:09:07
Deanna Hansen
Lee So if we think about.

00:20:09:14 – 00:20:13:02
Nathan Crane
Explain diaphragmatic breathing for people who don’t know, please. Okay.

00:20:13:05 – 00:20:32:17
Deanna Hansen
So I was going to bring my camera down a little bit here. So right here is my diaphragm. It’s the foundation of the rib cage and it’s a plate of muscle. When we inhale, this muscle plate moves down. When we exhale, it lifts. And when working properly, it’s providing a pump, a continual mechanical massage. So right on top of this, we’ve got our heart and lungs.

00:20:32:17 – 00:20:54:06
Deanna Hansen
Right below it, we have the abdominal organs. Now, if I’m not a diaphragmatic breather and if you’re not conscious of it, you’re not you’re breathing through the muscle, the upper chest, more so this foundation becomes weak. And then the rib cage, the collapse of everything above, starts falling into the body. So pain, fear and stress cause you to reactively hold the breath.

00:20:54:10 – 00:21:18:23
Deanna Hansen
And I mean, essentially this world is pretty stressful. 24 seven So most people are living in this upper chest, rapid breathing. So the challenge with that is, is at the base of the lungs is where the majority of the oxygen receptor, so it’s called alveoli reside. So we’re like we’re breathing air maybe a third of the way halfway down into the lungs when we breathe, dove dramatically.

00:21:19:04 – 00:21:42:01
Deanna Hansen
Now we’re pulling the air deeply into the lungs. So when people hear that, sometimes they’ll say, well, I’m not pulling in six times the air. You’re not you’re directing the air to where that bed of abundance of oxygen receptor sites are so that we can absorb more and also healthfully and completely. We are removing the toxins most effectively from the body.

00:21:42:01 – 00:22:07:05
Deanna Hansen
In fact, they’ve done a study showing that 84% of weight loss comes through proper exhalation. So that’s an important piece to understand as well, because if we’re not exhaling fully, then we’re keeping a whole buildup of the past inside the body. That’s becoming a weight on the stache, a kind of like a fishnet. If you have a fishnet in a clean, fast flowing stream, you pull it up after a month that might have a couple of leaves stuck on it.

00:22:07:11 – 00:22:27:18
Deanna Hansen
But if it’s sitting in a bog where it’s full of algae and there’s very little flow, you pull it up after a month, it’s probably black and sticky and gluey. And that’s essentially like what our fascia has become because we’re living in a very toxic world. So to be able to understand how to keep that system clean through proper exhalation is the key.

00:22:27:18 – 00:22:45:09
Deanna Hansen
And then when we do that, that changes the entire climate. Because if I’m not breathing properly and my rib cage is collapsing into my core now, my head is getting yanked forward now the carotid artery is my thyroid. My major lymphatic drainage sites are blocked. So now I’m not getting that oxygen to my brain, my eyes, my hair, my skin.

00:22:45:18 – 00:23:07:23
Deanna Hansen
So, yes, I agree that we do use different parts of the brain at different times, but just like a shoulder range of motion, if I’m only using my shoulder this much and I try to go into full range of motion, I may not be able to because I haven’t used the full extent of all the cells that I have the potential to activate through that proper breath.

00:23:07:23 – 00:23:28:09
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I’ll put, we’ll put a link below for people to go check out block therapy because you know, you, you’ve designed these blocks to be very specifically to be able to use for the body in very specific ways with programs that guide people through it. It’s a really fantastic program. Like I said, I’ve been using it here at the house and it’s it’s incredible.

00:23:28:16 – 00:23:44:03
Nathan Crane
So put a link below for people to go check that out, you know, after this interview. But I want to ask you about, like chronic disease specifically how is fascia related to chronic disease? You know, the chronic disease epidemic that we’re experiencing today.

00:23:45:08 – 00:24:10:06
Deanna Hansen
And it would be directly related. And again, it really comes back to that understanding of proper breathing because especially if we’ve had, you know, injuries when we were children and it affected our overall postural alignment. Now we have scarring. Let’s say you had a sprained ankle that was really bad when you were ten years old. And the way that we have been in have been trained to heal, icing, elevating, compression.

00:24:11:00 – 00:24:32:15
Deanna Hansen
Basically what we’re doing is we’re slowing down or stopping the body’s natural response at rebuilding. So when we have an injury, the body directs blood flow to go and rebuild that damaged tissue. And what we want to do is we want to support that inflammation as opposed to icing it and stopping it for the first 48 to 72 hours, which is when the body needs it the most.

00:24:32:19 – 00:24:56:20
Deanna Hansen
It’s like, you know, you have a baby and you put it in the corner for three days before you give the baby any love like we want to give those cells that were just damaged most of our time and attention and our love. And so to it, what’s happening is we have a gap in the system. Second law of thermodynamics, as nature abhors a gradient, which means when there’s a gap in the system, nature is going to fill it in, and the body’s designed to fill that in and rebuild through the inflammation.

00:24:56:20 – 00:25:14:06
Deanna Hansen
But we need to add energy. We need to add heat and understanding through proper breath to be able to actually rebuild that. Think of baking a cake you put in flour, eggs, oil, sugar. You mix it up. Your daughter, if you put batter in the freezer, you have frozen batter. If you put batter in the oven, you bake cake.

00:25:14:16 – 00:25:38:14
Deanna Hansen
So we need to add energy to the equation. What happens when we don’t the tissue doesn’t get rebuild all of the collagen from the surrounding tissue dumps in and creates scar tissue. And scar tissue doesn’t have the elastin component, it doesn’t have that stability. So now it becomes a barricade to blood and oxygen flow to everything on the other side.

00:25:38:20 – 00:26:02:13
Deanna Hansen
It’s also going to impede natural normal movements because let’s say you had that sprained ankle and it healed with scar tissue, you don’t have that same opportunity for full mobility. And so over time and it’s unconscious, we naturally start to shift how we walk. We might walk with more of a but externally rotated, which is going to create a patterning up the chain that’s going to keep pulling us down into these negative alignments.

00:26:02:21 – 00:26:34:22
Deanna Hansen
So that’s the beginnings of creating a chronically displeased body, because now we have cells not properly fed and cleaned, and those areas of toxicity build up, build up, build up. Now we attract other things bacteria, viruses, fungi to overtake the body. They create waste. And now we have a body that isn’t regulated properly. So if other things can take over our frequency, then we are in a state of disease, whatever that would look like.

00:26:34:22 – 00:26:54:18
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Plus, you know, going back to the breath, for example, because you do guide you guide people through the breath in the classes, you know, and really activating that deep breathing, right? You’re activating a parasympathetic response. And so you’re up regulating the immune system, which, you know, the immune system is essential for everything from cancer to viruses, bacterial infections, you name it.

00:26:54:18 – 00:27:16:12
Nathan Crane
Right? It also activates arrest and digest and a repair. So repairing of damaged tissues and so forth. So, you know, having a daily practice where we’re going deep into that deep diaphragmatic breathing can be so beneficial in so many ways. But I just I thought of something, as you said, most people are kind of shallow breathing or chest breathing even.

00:27:16:12 – 00:27:39:06
Nathan Crane
It might not even be intense, but. Right, like not never really consciously getting into that deep belly breathing throughout the day. That’s very similar to let’s say I’m doing a high intensity workout and I get to a point where I can’t do belly breathing. I can only like my heart rate’s so high, like I’m trying to get breath to my deeper lungs, which is very difficult.

00:27:39:06 – 00:28:04:05
Nathan Crane
Right? Like that’s that’s a sympathetic response. That is basically fight or flight, right? My body’s like, heart rate’s elevated. You’re pushing yourself so hard. There’s a lot of benefits from that. Doing it short term, intentionally for a few minutes at a time. Right. But you’re not like, I’m just making this connection right now. If you’re breathing shallow throughout your entire day, it’s like the same thing of being in that high intensity, sympathetic state all the time.

00:28:04:05 – 00:28:16:24
Nathan Crane
Is your you’re never really getting to that deep belly breathing, breathing that oxygen deep into those receptors and then calming the system down into a parasympathetic response. Right. That makes sense. Is that would you say that’s pretty accurate?

00:28:17:12 – 00:28:38:17
Deanna Hansen
Yeah. And also, if that is the nature of the individual to breathe that way all the time now again, we have like if you want to look back at the mechanical aspects of the breath and what it does. So when that diaphragm is focused and working, it’s strong. So it is a floor or to support the rib cage in all the weight of everything above.

00:28:38:24 – 00:29:04:23
Deanna Hansen
If this is my normal breath, now that diaphragm is weak. So the weight of everything above we come crashing down into that core space. So then what we’re doing to the abdominal organs now, if I’m right handed, likely I’m going to be crashing the weight of everything into my stomach and blocking my aorta. So here’s this major tube leaving the heart to feed all the cells in the body, and now it’s getting twisted and squished.

00:29:04:23 – 00:29:28:20
Deanna Hansen
Or perhaps I’m falling over to the right more and I’m compressing my liver and maybe I have fatty liver disease, or maybe my posture is pulled straight forward and down based on what is my activity all day long. And now I’m blocking my pancreas. So maybe I have issues with metabolic issues or blood sugar issues. So and whenever I’ve come forward now, the kidneys and the adrenal glands are getting pushed to the back of the body.

00:29:28:23 – 00:29:48:12
Deanna Hansen
So they’re not really getting any energy. So then we’re in that sympathetic state. Sometimes people are in that 100% of the day when we should be in parasympathetic 80% of the day in order to be able to push the body, but then heal. So we keep going through this, like cycling of, okay, I’ve worked my body through the day and I’m going to go into that beautiful rest at night.

00:29:48:13 – 00:29:56:00
Deanna Hansen
I’m going to sleep nice and deeply and I’m going to regenerate and heal. So I wake up the next day and I’m actually fresh and ready to go. But most people don’t live in that state.

00:29:57:03 – 00:30:21:09
Nathan Crane
Yeah, there’s something there. Once you know it and see it, you can never forget it. And you can also correct in yourself. And this is something that you first brought to my attention. And since you have, it’s helped me a lot. And, and I see it all the time now of like our patterns as we age, like you said, of just either habit or from injuries or from pain or whatever, where like I think you call one of the legs the flat tire, right?

00:30:21:09 – 00:30:25:23
Nathan Crane
That kind of moves along like the foot that moves along. And the other one is the what do you call it.

00:30:26:10 – 00:30:26:22
Deanna Hansen
Anchor?

00:30:27:03 – 00:30:48:15
Nathan Crane
The anchor. So so you’ll see that you have an anchor and a flat tire. Right. And my my flat tire is my right foot like. And so my, my right foot always wants to point out a little further out outwards compared to my left foot, which is more straight right into my my left foot would be my left leg is like my anchor and my right leg is my flat tire.

00:30:48:15 – 00:31:07:14
Nathan Crane
And so I notice it all the time now and I’m constantly trying to correct it when I walk up to the sink to wash the dishes or get a glass of water, I’m leaned into my left hip, my right foot over like this, and I’m leaning over getting water. It’s like, why do I do that? Like I could just stand there straight, perfectly aligned, good posture and get the water.

00:31:07:14 – 00:31:29:16
Nathan Crane
But I, I lean over like this and I’m getting water. It’s just like those habits we create over years and years. So I’m constantly catching myself in correcting it because you talk a lot about this in your program, so it’s like it’s helping me every day, but then I notice it like extreme only in certain people where like, you know, one shoulder is lower than the other and they’re kind of walking like this and one hips really dragging.

00:31:29:16 – 00:31:55:01
Nathan Crane
Like you can really see extreme versions of it and you can see more subtle versions of it. But part of what you teach is, is correcting our line, correcting those things, right? So that by correcting our posture throughout the day, just that alone cannot help to kind of rebalance our fast and rebalance our organs and rebalance our health to eliminate the pain and the adhesions.

00:31:55:08 – 00:32:05:00
Nathan Crane
Or do you have to absolutely do the fashion work as well and the deep breathing as well? Do they work separately? I know they work synergistically. Can you talk about that?

00:32:05:17 – 00:32:21:06
Deanna Hansen
Yeah, absolutely. And the thing is, it’s what we do all the time that adds up to create the situation that we’re in now. And I love that you just said that because every morning when I’m not thinking my right hand is under that water tapping and then I’ve got my left foot out and I’m like, no. So I switch it up and I change it.

00:32:21:12 – 00:32:39:13
Deanna Hansen
And rather than just going into perfection, well, let’s try to do the opposite. So if you always sit with one leg crossed over, sit with the other leg crossed over, because if you sit cross-legged over time, over decades now you’ve created a pelvic alignment that’s going to be based on that.

00:32:39:20 – 00:32:52:10
Nathan Crane
And then you’re going to have and then you might have back pain, right? Or a hip pain or you’re going to have some kind of pain because of fascist, you know, adhere it. It’s change and now it’s polling somewhere. So that polling is like pulling on the nerves and causing pain, right? Yeah.

00:32:52:18 – 00:33:10:10
Deanna Hansen
Or you might have endometriosis or you might have issues with erectile dysfunction, or you might have an ovary that, you know, ends up getting a cyst on it or something because we’re getting all of this congestion. So now we don’t have that blood flow to feed and we also don’t have that ability to clean. So it goes really deep inside as well.

00:33:10:10 – 00:33:28:14
Deanna Hansen
It’s not just from a perspective of pain, but how do we keep our organs clean and functioning with ease? So, you know, I teach people also like if you always grab your glass with the right hand to drink your water today, just today, just grab it with the left hand. Open the fridge with just the opposite hand vacuum with the opposite side of the body.

00:33:28:14 – 00:33:43:23
Deanna Hansen
These are things that are really, really impactful. And at first it’s really awkward. I remember the first time I tried vacuuming with my left hand and I’m like and I had my opposite leg forward, and then I had to go back to the right side to see what I naturally do. And I’m like, okay, it’s like one side has to teach the other almost.

00:33:43:23 – 00:34:09:05
Deanna Hansen
But then when you get into that pattern, then you get to the point where it’s like, Wow, I can do this with ease either way. And for athletes, if they train the opposite side, it’s amazing how quickly they will improve on their dominant side. But most people want to just over over train that dominant side, that bringing that balance back into the body not only balances the physical body, but also the brain.

00:34:09:05 – 00:34:42:09
Nathan Crane
Mm. Yeah, that’s a good point. Yeah. There’s studies I’ve seen where people who’ve been, let’s say, go through surgery, right? Like let’s say they had, they broke their arm or something and they’re in a cast for like three months or six weeks or whatever. But they train the opposite arm, the upside of suicide of the body, that instead of completely weakening that left side, it actually maintains around a similar strength as the right side, sometimes just as strong or very, very like doesn’t get, you know, it keeps up with it.

00:34:42:09 – 00:34:48:11
Nathan Crane
It’s like for whatever reason, the brain, you know, as you’re training the right side is trying to help keep the other side in balance to.

00:34:49:04 – 00:34:54:09
Deanna Hansen
What’s called reciprocal innovation. So you get that balance on the opposite side of the body.

00:34:54:13 – 00:35:15:12
Nathan Crane
Reciprocal. What would you call innovation? Innovation. Interesting. So I want to show an image here for people that haven’t seen this before. I’m trying to find a better one. But this is I think this is pretty good, right? This shows like some of the fashion patterns. I think there’s images. I’m sure you’ve seen these before. Is this pretty accurate?

00:35:15:12 – 00:35:37:06
Nathan Crane
Like you can see how all the fashion is. This is just some of the fashion. Obviously, there’s a lot more. But how it’s all connected. So like, you know, fashion that runs down your toes and you talk a lot about this in your blog therapy programs. You know, if that’s adhered and kind of, you know, stuck, it’s going to be pulling on the fashions connected to your hips, your ribs, your back, your neck.

00:35:37:14 – 00:35:49:07
Nathan Crane
Right. You can see how it’s all connected. And you have these patterns of fascia. They’re run throughout the body. This image isn’t very clear, but those who are watching can see like there’s so many fashion patterns that are throughout the whole body. Right.

00:35:49:21 – 00:36:11:13
Deanna Hansen
Yeah. And those are like there’s different layers to fascia as well. I did a discussion with Gill Headley, who back in 2007 I watched his fuzz speech, which was fascinating because as I’m teaching therapist my work, he really gave a visual understanding to the body and what we were feeling with our fingertips and the fuzz being the adhesions.

00:36:11:23 – 00:36:33:05
Deanna Hansen
So scar tissue is created from injury surgery. Adhesions are created from incorrect alignment over time. And then what he started to share with was that the deeper he has gone in his uncovering of the fascia, he recognizes that there is another layer of ash called the Perry fascia, and that’s the stuff that we deal with in block therapy for fascia decompression.

00:36:33:05 – 00:37:00:21
Deanna Hansen
And the fact that it gets chaotic. So as soon as he said that, I was like, oh my gosh, we’re speaking the same language now. It was so lovely to see because between each of the cells there is a patterning of migration downward over time. Following the Fibonacci sequence, we don’t just collapse in a linear direction, and those photos are showing more of this outer expression of fascia, as opposed to that understanding that it’s literally the fabric between every single cell in the body.

00:37:00:21 – 00:37:27:03
Deanna Hansen
So when I compress because we move in rotation, it’s not just a collapse and a building block. It’s it’s a spiraling and it’s an inter tangling of cells and tissue. Kind of like if I’m in a convertible and I’ve got my hair down like this and I’ve got the wind blowing through my hair, I might get back and I might have fibers of my hair tied and locked over here and chaos.

00:37:27:10 – 00:37:48:17
Deanna Hansen
So here’s a really good way to actually understand it, especially when it’s straight, because each thread basically has, you know, its insertion and then it hangs as it does. But when it gets all knotted and twisted, try getting a brush through that. That’s what our fascia kind of becomes with the entangling over time, because the body is constantly counterbalancing the forces to keep us upright.

00:37:49:02 – 00:38:09:05
Deanna Hansen
So I sprained my ankle. Let’s say I’m right handed and that’s my dominant side. But I sprained my ankle. Now I’m having to shift my entire weight if I’m on crutches for three weeks, what is that done to my whole posture? And then I start getting that mobility back in that ankle. But I’m coming from a very different alignment now because three days of a mobilization, we atrophy 60%.

00:38:09:22 – 00:38:31:11
Deanna Hansen
And that’s pretty amazing to even consider that three days of a mobilization like people are in casts for 4 to 6 weeks, if not longer, sometimes if they’re really, really crazy fractures. So what does that do to the body and the compensations? I remember one day I was I was on a trip and I was wearing new flip flops and I ended up with a blister.

00:38:31:21 – 00:39:00:10
Deanna Hansen
So for about I own a mile, I’m walking with this limp because the blister was painful. The next day I woke up and my whole body hurt just from that one bit of compensations. So it’s it’s truly fascinating. And most people aren’t that connected to their body every moment to understand what’s even going on. And so by the time we sort of tap in and say, okay, I’ve got all of these different pains, all these different issues, I’m riddled with areas of my body that I don’t like.

00:39:00:10 – 00:39:10:21
Deanna Hansen
Maybe I have varicose veins or cellulite or I’m struggling to manage my size and shape. It all comes down to understanding this fabric and how to keep the cells properly aligned.

00:39:12:06 – 00:39:35:03
Nathan Crane
You were showing me. Maybe I can pull it up here. You were showing us a few months back some of your recent client case studies. And I remember, I think it was this gentleman filter. This one your sure. Yeah. Like how, you know, he was doing a block therapy for how long? A few months.

00:39:35:03 – 00:39:54:14
Deanna Hansen
And something very he learned about it nine years ago. But it wasn’t until about a year ago that he kind of really dove in. And then it was last October when he saw I had a 30 day upper body challenge and he didn’t take the challenge. It was about two months later and we had shared the winner and he’s like, I’m going to do that.

00:39:54:20 – 00:39:59:13
Deanna Hansen
So after he did my 30 day upper Body Challenge, he posted these photos in my community group.

00:40:00:10 – 00:40:16:15
Nathan Crane
Well, he looks he looks younger to me in the after. He looks like he’s he’s also I think he was he bulking, too. He was like lifting and stuff to do. He had some weight. His face looks more rounded and more like even whereas before on the other one it looks like he’s he’s kind of drooped to one side.

00:40:16:15 – 00:40:18:21
Nathan Crane
Can you explain the bigger differences here?

00:40:19:14 – 00:40:42:15
Deanna Hansen
Yeah, absolutely. So ultimately, again, the goal here is that we keep everything where it’s supposed to be positioned. But as we age and he’s 73 in these photos, he actually shares the same birthday as me July 13th. But anyway, so as we age and we start compressing, we start becoming more narrow and then wider front to back. So we want to have the broadest shoulders we can have.

00:40:42:15 – 00:41:10:08
Deanna Hansen
But as we start collapsing, the shoulders start rolling in, the hips start rolling in. But then we bulk up in the front and the back. So people tend to get a bigger belly as they get older or they’ll get a double chin. It’s not actually a double chin, it’s a displaced tongue. So what we’re seeing here, you can see in the left side how that left side of his face is really angling down so that we consistent with what we’re going to be seen through the other platforms in his body, because everything starts at the feet.

00:41:10:13 – 00:41:30:09
Deanna Hansen
There’s an expression, death starts in the feet. And if we don’t understand how to realign the feet, you can do all the work to try to make yourself look younger that you want. But then the anchors are going to keep pulling you down into that alignment, which is going to continue to pull your structure out of alignment. And gravity is always going to win because it’s relentless.

00:41:30:09 – 00:41:53:04
Deanna Hansen
It’s never going to stop. So if you’re not supporting proper alignment and proper foundation and then we start to get a head that looks narrower longer, we start to see asymmetries, one iron down and then even noticing like the hood’s like one of the I haven’t asked institutions program. And what’s fascinating is like a lot of women and men both, but women seem to be more focused on the anti-aging piece.

00:41:53:09 – 00:42:15:11
Deanna Hansen
We’ll get like eye where there’s like a heaviness of that pop lid. So if you think that like looking at his before picture here, he’s right eye dominant so that right eye is going to be moving more. That left eye is starting to hang and droop. But because like a shoulder, if you’re only using part of your range of motion in your shoulder, you’re going to atrophy in the areas that you don’t use it.

00:42:15:17 – 00:42:33:03
Deanna Hansen
So that eye area up top, if we’re not holding the eye into the extremities of the ranges that we can actually look, we’re to get atrophy and then we’re going to get a hanging. So then, you know, a lot of people will go to the esthetician and say, Oh, can you help me lift my eyelid? Well, it’s not about lifting the eyelid.

00:42:33:03 – 00:42:43:23
Deanna Hansen
It’s about pumping life back into these muscles that have atrophied so that there’s a lift naturally because you’re using it. So if you don’t use it, you’re going to lose it kind of thing. And gravity, you don’t use it.

00:42:44:13 – 00:43:09:13
Nathan Crane
Okay. So, so he actually. Okay, so it wasn’t that his his face looking a little more thicker here, which is what you’re saying is actually and I have to say on the left here, when his face is thinner, he’s got a lot more lines, you know, his eyes drooping. He looks like he’s 73. But on this on the side here where his face actually, you know, thickened up a little bit and his eyes more aligned and like he looks like he’s 63.

00:43:10:08 – 00:43:28:21
Nathan Crane
So I actually thought I was kind of assuming like because I think I saw a picture of him lifting weights or something, right? I was like, Oh, maybe he’s bulking up. But you’re saying, no, he didn’t add any weight. This is just from block therapy, actually getting him back to a healthy, not like more normal looking face, which makes him look like ten years younger for sure.

00:43:29:06 – 00:43:33:06
Nathan Crane
It looks like actually, the more I look at it, it looks like a different person as crazy.

00:43:33:06 – 00:43:51:24
Deanna Hansen
I know you should see him now. He he continued. And then we actually flew him to Winnipeg a month ago and I actually did float isometrics on him for five days. And he continues and he just sent me a follow up photo and he looks a boat load younger than that photo now. And like again.

00:43:51:24 – 00:43:54:10
Nathan Crane
Like you have that. Can you show that real quick? Do you have it?

00:43:55:01 – 00:43:59:21
Deanna Hansen
I can.

00:43:59:21 – 00:44:00:21
Nathan Crane
So a lot of people.

00:44:01:00 – 00:44:01:07
Deanna Hansen
Oh.

00:44:02:01 – 00:44:05:09
Nathan Crane
Let me let me stop sharing my screen. Okay. Go ahead.

00:44:06:07 – 00:44:08:18
Deanna Hansen
What do we got here? We see that?

00:44:08:18 – 00:44:09:09
Nathan Crane
Oh, yeah.

00:44:10:24 – 00:44:34:22
Deanna Hansen
I do have a in those before pictures. I do have a picture of his body where that before when you can really see the, the sagging asymmetry of the pecs. And now to see this beautiful lift here like it’s it’s wild. He actually I did an extension series for my membership and I filmed with him as my subject when he was here, which was really, really fun.

00:44:35:06 – 00:44:37:21
Deanna Hansen
He’s a member of my community.

00:44:37:21 – 00:44:58:11
Nathan Crane
So just reading through a lot of these case studies, like on your website, you know, I see things like, you know, help my sciatica, nerve damage, inflammation and had, you know, canceled surgery. They all like what are what are some of the top results that you see people getting when they when they do block therapy?

00:44:58:11 – 00:45:23:16
Deanna Hansen
It’s such a great wide question because it really is anything and everything. I mean, chronic pain. So because this is a therapy for exercise and meditation, pain is something people are always drawn to. So, you know, back pain that the thing that makes this work is because there’s cause sites to the pain sites. So if you have back pain and you go to a therapist just like I was trained, I’m going to work on your back, but that’s going to only address that pain site.

00:45:23:22 – 00:45:47:19
Deanna Hansen
The cause sites to the body are the limbs, the limbs are the puppet masters of the core. I deal with a lot of scoliosis. We have a lot of wonderful results from scoliosis because it’s understanding that the limbs, if I have my flat tire, that one leg pulling away from the body, the other leg anchoring, now you’ve got your arms that are going to be following suit as well, and that’s going to create this twisting in the core, creating the compression.

00:45:47:19 – 00:46:11:13
Deanna Hansen
So scoliosis and pain are huge, arthritis is huge, managing size and shape. If I’m held in my negative forward alignment now I’ve got the collapse of my rib cage into my abdominal cavity. Tissue is going to go somewhere and it’s going to go outward so I can be not changing diet or exercise. But now I’m over 40 and I’m feeling like, Oh, I’m getting that spare tire.

00:46:11:19 – 00:46:39:06
Deanna Hansen
Well, it’s not added fat, it’s displaced fashion from compression and ballooning and then the resultant torque suffocation because now in the abdominal cavity, if we’re not giving that energy to all of the organs and the space, I’m not going to be absorbing nutrients properly. I’m not going to be digesting and eliminating properly. So I’m going to have a backup of waste that’s going to add more bulk, that’s going to attract more invaders, and they’re going to create waste.

00:46:39:06 – 00:47:00:18
Deanna Hansen
So all of the things that we think that we understand about the body, there’s a different perspective of. And for me, in my twenties when I was doing the work, I was, you know, dieting and exercising like a fiend. I was £50 overweight, and the harder I was working, the thicker I was becoming, which a adds that whole element of depression, because it’s not like I was sitting on the couch not doing anything.

00:47:00:18 – 00:47:19:20
Deanna Hansen
I was trying. I was working really hard. And it wasn’t until that yoga class where I’m like, Holy smokes, I’m not even breathing ever. And then that understanding of the adhesions coming together, which very quickly started to create change, a lot of people do it for the element of the relaxation anxiety. It was an anxiety attack that led me into this.

00:47:20:04 – 00:47:40:23
Deanna Hansen
When the cells aren’t getting what they need, they give you information and they’re going to share information that feels offensive because if it felt good, you wouldn’t make a change. But from the anxiety perspective, if the cell doesn’t have the space to do its job, it’s going to give you information. I like using the analogy. If I’m in an elevator and it’s just me in the elevator, I can move, I can breathe.

00:47:40:23 – 00:47:59:13
Deanna Hansen
I’m fine. If suddenly you’re in an elevator crammed a whole bunch of people and somebody has really strong perfume and somebody is talking really loud and maybe swearing and and now you’re trapped. Like, I’m like, oh, my gosh, get me out of here. And that’s the cell that doesn’t have the ability to have the space to get properly fed and cleaned.

00:47:59:19 – 00:48:23:01
Deanna Hansen
And yet we’re asking it to do its job. I’m going to go run a marathon, but yet the cells don’t have the energy. So they’re giving you feedback, whether it’s pain, signal, anxiety, whatever the signals are, that’s your cell is speaking to you saying, I need some help here. You’re wanting me to function, but you’re not giving me what I need to function, whether it’s nutrition, hydration, rest, oxygen, all of it.

00:48:23:01 – 00:48:44:07
Deanna Hansen
It’s It that’s what the cells are doing. So raft of everything. And I mean, we’re dealing with also the diabetes, the everything. So yeah, right. People with hypermobility, that’s a question that comes up a lot. Like, you know, if you’re going to be doing this work and making your body more fluid and flexible, is that a problem for people with Hypermobility?

00:48:44:13 – 00:49:06:12
Deanna Hansen
Where there’s Hypermobility though, there’s hyper restriction, everything’s a balance in the body. And for people with ehlers-danlos or hypermobility issues and we have a number in our community, they’re getting amazing benefits. The hyper restriction is in the rib cage, so they’re not breathing. So the the collagen hasn’t been allowed to create balance in the structure and the limbs.

00:49:06:17 – 00:49:18:14
Deanna Hansen
That’s where they become hyper elastic. So it’s all about understanding this equilibrium of the collagen elastin balance and being able to support that so that our body can do what it’s supposed to do.

00:49:19:15 – 00:49:40:08
Nathan Crane
So two, two questions for people who are brand new to block therapy. Number one, what’s the best place for them to start? Like what? Which program? Where do they start? And then to like, how often should they do it and how soon before, you know, they’ll likely start seeing or feeling results.

00:49:40:24 – 00:50:08:01
Deanna Hansen
Our starter program is where we direct people to start, which comes with the block, the tool. We also have a sampler program for $9 where we teach you to use a rolled up towel. And that’s a lovely place to begin if you want to just give it a test before you decide if this is right for you. That in itself we have phenomenal testimonials because it’s the teaching, it’s the getting to the diaphragmatic breath, it’s the understanding of facial decompression.

00:50:08:05 – 00:50:39:02
Deanna Hansen
We don’t roll like, you know, there’s a lot of fashion rollers and different tools out there where you’re rolling. We don’t roll, we sink because we want to get to those roots at the bone. And so that’s a great place to start for $9. And then people generally feel a shift. Class one, whether you’re on the sampler or you’re actually using the block, because the first thing we always do is we connect into your rib cage in court because we want to teach you how to breathe properly.

00:50:39:06 – 00:51:04:18
Deanna Hansen
And that’s a bit of a journey in and of itself. Some people are so frozen it can take a bit to get that going. The other people have a decent access to it and then they just understand that, wow, like I haven’t really been focusing properly on that full exhale also because when we collapse in our rib cage and everybody does, the fashion will hold the rib cage in negative alignment, blocking your ability to have that diaphragm moving up and down in its complete range of motion.

00:51:04:24 – 00:51:24:09
Deanna Hansen
So as soon as we release some of that holding pattern, you right away feel like, well, I’m like, I’ve lifted, I feel like I’m taller. Many people after leaving a class. So when I got into my car, I had to adjust my mirror. You feel lighter, you feel calmer. So most people feel it immediately. For those that dove in and they do it daily, that’s the best way.

00:51:24:14 – 00:51:44:01
Deanna Hansen
And 15 to 30 minutes a day. Most of my classes are 30 minutes because if you can commit to a 30 minute class, you’re really going to start to see changes. Now, having said that, everybody’s coming at it from a specific place in their own body. So I have a gentleman who has Parkinson’s, Gary Sharp. He’s been a very vocal person in my community.

00:51:44:05 – 00:52:09:19
Deanna Hansen
He started with me almost four years ago. He had to start very slow because he had so many chemical meds. His liver was toxic. So if he did too much, he got thrown into a bit of a toxic overload. So he had to pace it very slowly. But now he’s a huge advocate for block therapy. And one of the things that was amazing, I have a class in my membership for Hair Health, so where I teach you how to release the scalp from the skull because we should have movement.

00:52:10:01 – 00:52:27:05
Deanna Hansen
A lot of people, if you try to move the scalp on the skull, it’s sticky. If you have hair loss, like all of these things that happen as we get older, we fall out of alignment and then the grips of factual grip on to the scalp, the skull to prevent you from tipping over. But now that’s blocking flow to your hair, but also your brain.

00:52:27:13 – 00:52:34:01
Deanna Hansen
And he said when he started doing that class, he noticed the most improvements with his neurological symptoms of Parkinson’s.

00:52:35:08 – 00:52:51:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s that’s incredible. So with the like, you have a block therapy starter package. It comes with with the block body. Does that include the introductory program? Yeah. Yeah. And that’s what is it like 20 lessons or something. It’s like two or three weeks, if I remember.

00:52:52:09 – 00:52:55:15
Deanna Hansen
There’s there’s 12 block therapy classes and 12.

00:52:55:15 – 00:52:56:01
Nathan Crane
Classes.

00:52:56:01 – 00:53:13:08
Deanna Hansen
Additional videos. One of them is the work between the toes and the fingers, which we share on YouTube all the time. Because even if you don’t dove into this work, but you work between your toes, I tell people 3 minutes a day between each toe and you want to get to the point where you feel the pain, which doesn’t take much while you breathe.

00:53:13:13 – 00:53:35:18
Deanna Hansen
That’s going to re pattern your toes and you can do it with your fingers this way as well. And re pattern what’s going on with your hands because so sorry. Back to your question. Yes, 12 classes, but then there’s a bunch of additional classes instructing on proper postural foundation. So not only do we want to release the fash, we want to rebuild the body incorrectly in incorrect alignment.

00:53:35:24 – 00:53:56:05
Deanna Hansen
So rooting, you know, that lower body foundation, we’re like a building. If that one foot splaying away like that flat tire, now we’re pulled and our whole body is affected. So we want to bring balance back in the diaphragm being a major foundation, the tongue major foundation. We’ve heard it’s the strongest muscle in the body. It’s designed for more than just talking and chewing.

00:53:56:05 – 00:54:14:04
Deanna Hansen
It’s also designed to support the weight of the head and correct alignment. But people don’t practice it for that. If you notice that the roof of the mouth about a pinky nail distance from your teeth, there’s a ridge this that the tongue perfectly docks into that ridge and the surface of the tongue should be supporting the roof of the mouth.

00:54:14:13 – 00:54:48:07
Deanna Hansen
When we don’t practice proper tongue alignment, the tongue will tend to jump forward in one direction or another. Mind will go forward into the right, causing a clench of my left side of my jaw, and then that’s going to manipulate the shape of the mouth. So they found back in, well, however many years ago when people were chewing on roots and meat, you know, and we didn’t have the conveniences of the world when the people really had to chew, they didn’t change the shape of their head like we do in society now.

00:54:48:15 – 00:55:16:10
Deanna Hansen
They didn’t have cavities in their mouth. They didn’t have crooked teeth. They may have worn their teeth down from chewing on this fibrous material, but they had their tongue engaged. Now we drink our vegetables and we cook our food until it’s soft. And so we’re not getting that same activity. And then most people are also dominant in how they chew one side rather than the other, where we should be chewing in a balanced way to create balance and symmetry in the head.

00:55:16:23 – 00:55:45:00
Deanna Hansen
So all of these things factor into how are we going to be aging? And then, of course, the last one that we talk about all the time is anatomical position of the hands. If you look at a skeleton that’s aligned properly, the palms are forward. If you look at anybody walking, their palms are facing behind their body. And as soon as you internally rotate the arms, it pulls that ribcage forward and down, adding more pressure to the diaphragm, causing more of a collapsing in the body.

00:55:45:00 – 00:55:47:23
Deanna Hansen
So these are some of the things that we also teach in that start a program.

00:55:49:13 – 00:56:06:06
Nathan Crane
Yeah, we’ll put a link below it so people can go check that out. That’s that’s what I recommend. Start. That’s where I started. So I think it’s a good place for people to start. And you go really in-depth in more on these concepts in each of the, each of the videos as you’re doing the different block therapy classes.

00:56:06:06 – 00:56:33:21
Nathan Crane
So I think it’s a great place for people to start. And for we kind of wrap up, I have a question about like yoga. So could you get the same results with with fascia and helping it to realign and balance throughout the body? If you were doing, you know, let’s say five or six yoga classes a week and you did that, you know, forever the rest of your life, let’s say, could that do the same thing that block therapy does for the body?

00:56:34:17 – 00:56:54:02
Deanna Hansen
I love yoga. I was studying to be an anger yoga teacher 20 years ago, but then that got usurped when I started understanding this whole process of block therapy. So the difference is if we’re trying to keep our hamstrings at length, let’s say you’re doing a forward bend and that’s that’s your yoga posture. You’re bending forward and you feel those restrictions.

00:56:54:17 – 00:57:17:10
Deanna Hansen
If you keep practicing yoga or stretching of any kind, you will keep the tissue that you have available at its greatest length. What we do with block therapy is we release those adhesions from the bone to add more tissue to lengthen. So it’s not the same thing. It’s a wonderful compliment, however, but block therapy will give you far.

00:57:17:10 – 00:57:35:08
Deanna Hansen
And one of my one of my classes in my membership, we’ve got a whole bunch of different structured programs and classes in the membership is address are lengthening the hamstrings and what I have people do is go into a forward bend as example. Where do you feel that limitation? For some people it might be in the calf, it might be behind the knee, it might be in the hamstring, it may be in the back.

00:57:35:22 – 00:58:00:12
Deanna Hansen
Wherever you feel that limitation now go and block that spot and then after you block that area, go back into that forward bend and see how much length and range you’ve gained. And it’s fascinating how fast you change your mobility, your flexibility through the process of finding those adhesions and putting that 3 minutes of time in. And then now, Wolf, you’ve got a whole different body to play with.

00:58:00:24 – 00:58:21:03
Nathan Crane
Hmm. Interesting. So separate question, actually. What if you have like ten tinnitus in some area, like is, you know, spending time on the blocks on those tendons are already inflamed will that actually help them? Will it hurt them? What do you give them?

00:58:21:03 – 00:58:35:00
Deanna Hansen
We always teach people your breath is your guide. So as long as you’re breathing in a relaxed, controlled way, you’re feeding and healing the cells that you’re the tissue that you’re working with. If you do anything so much that it takes that relaxed breath away where you’re in panic mode, that’s your body saying, I don’t want this right now.

00:58:35:00 – 00:58:57:21
Deanna Hansen
So, yes, absolutely. Working where there is an itis or an oasis or an inflammation somewhere, what you’re going to be doing is you’re going to be supporting that inflammation so that it can actually awaken to its potential to rebuild and heal. But we also want to look at what’s causing that tendinitis, because if it’s in your knee, likely that opposite foot is the driver and that knee is responding to that anchor over in the foot.

00:58:57:21 – 00:59:09:21
Deanna Hansen
So we want to understand that alignment piece so that we can address the acuteness of or the chronic ness of whatever we’re dealing with, but also looking at why it’s there and then getting to the root of the problem.

00:59:10:11 – 00:59:30:14
Nathan Crane
So just doing the like full body classes, for example, like what you do like one day maybe his arms one day, his legs one day. Right. I know you always start with the with the core as well. Like, can you just follow that kind of on and on and on like the 12, 12 day program and kind of repeat it or do other just variations, right.

00:59:30:15 – 00:59:50:20
Nathan Crane
Going on like will that just kind of put everything, help everything get into balance? You don’t have to think about it like, well, I’ve got these issues with my arms or my knees or my legs or whatever, so I should focus on my legs more right? That’s probably not the best approach. You should be focusing on the full body, you know, different areas each day, right?

00:59:51:08 – 01:00:11:08
Deanna Hansen
Yeah. Because even the way that your head is structured like this being again one of the major frozen areas. So the diaphragm is the furnace. So your feet, your hands in the top of your head, they’re the furthest from the furnace. This is where the fash is going to grip and adhere with the most force. So even what’s going on in your scalp is related to what’s going on in your feet, in your arms, in your hands.

01:00:11:08 – 01:00:30:23
Deanna Hansen
So the the starter program covers the full body in a cycle. And so that’s the nice piece is if all you ever do is that starter program, you’ve got a program for life, you have it for life. And if you keep cycling through it and also focusing on that alignment piece, then you continue to rebuild your body. You go backwards through time in your tissue.

01:00:31:08 – 01:00:46:17
Deanna Hansen
Now in my membership, I have other guided programs to dove in and go to sort of that next level. And it’s not it’s not for everybody. It’s not necessary for everybody either. If all you do is that starter program over and over again, you’re going to continue to see benefits. Absolutely.

01:00:47:19 – 01:00:52:13
Nathan Crane
But in your membership, like what are some of the other specific programs that you have?

01:00:53:05 – 01:01:15:22
Deanna Hansen
I have a 90 day trauma program where I really tap into the awakening, the parasympathetic nervous system, getting to all of the different parts of the body that are really relevant when we have a freeze moment, let’s say ten years old again, like I had some horrendous thing happen, whether physical, whether emotional pain, fear and stress caused us to reactively hold the breath.

01:01:15:22 – 01:01:41:15
Deanna Hansen
And if we don’t release that patterning like a deer who survives, an attack will shake. Humans tend to stay in that freeze mode. So if it’s during my developmental years now, I’m really affected because now I’ve got this blocked diaphragm and now I’m growing without this muscle feeding my body properly as I’m developing. And then we get caught in a loop of the PTSD because now your brain is connected to this.

01:01:41:15 – 01:02:06:03
Deanna Hansen
And so if this doesn’t change, meaning your alignment, your brain is trapped in that space as well. So if I have another moment, I’d love to talk about this just a little bit because it’s a really important factor. So of course, the heart is designed to send blood and oxygen to every single one of our cells. And if every cell is properly fed, every cell is communicating in every moment with the brain as to what’s happening.

01:02:06:03 – 01:02:23:17
Deanna Hansen
And then we make the choices based on that information is how are we going to respond I touch something hot, my hand moves it away. However, imagine if I didn’t have any feeling in my hand and I took something hot and I can’t feel it now. My hand burns. I don’t have that same connection from my cells to my brain to give me that action.

01:02:24:00 – 01:02:52:17
Deanna Hansen
So let’s say we only have 20% of our cells that are actually properly set and clean with blood because we have adhesions riddled throughout the entire body. Now I have only 20% of my cells giving my brain information. So there is a there’s a gap there. So then we and we’re also connected to a brain frequency that’s connected to past and future, that stressed brain frequency that comes from the upper chest breath, very different brain frequency than which comes from the diaphragmatic breath.

01:02:53:04 – 01:03:13:05
Deanna Hansen
So in my brain, where it’s stressed now I’m going back into these feedback loops, these memories. And I remember I was in my yoga teacher training and we had to reflect on our own bodies and do these exercises. And I remember I was awakening to this whole thing within myself. I’m walking through them all. I see a gentleman walking toward me and I’m in a good light mood in that very minute.

01:03:13:14 – 01:03:32:20
Deanna Hansen
He looks at me and he scowls and my gut immediately churns because it reminded me of how my dad would look at me when he was disappointed in me. So I recognize this because I went from feeling really good to suddenly acidic inside myself and I’m like, What just happened? And then as I’m thinking about it, I thought, well, I mean, maybe, maybe he didn’t like how I looked.

01:03:32:20 – 01:03:51:12
Deanna Hansen
Or maybe as he took that step and happened to catch my eye, he had a pain shot in his knee. And that was his response. But I made it about myself and it’s it’s not about me. So when you have that moment to reflect you real and you have a body that’s balanced and aligned and awake, you have the ability to look at that.

01:03:51:12 – 01:04:25:11
Deanna Hansen
And for me to say, well, first of all, who cares? I don’t know him. Does it matter? No. But also just to be able to see each moment as a unique moment in time, instead of getting trapped in that old cycle that began from way back when when some trauma happened. And then that becomes the lens that you view life from, as opposed to viewing life as this opportunity where every moment is unique and tomorrow’s a new day and we can change anything we want tomorrow with new, fresh eyes, especially when you connect to your breath and you move the past out with that full exhale.

01:04:25:18 – 01:04:38:10
Deanna Hansen
And then everything starts working differently because now your brain is getting healthier. Now you’re sleeping better, you’re digesting better, you’re healing. And then life has a very different lens.

01:04:38:10 – 01:05:19:11
Nathan Crane
Yeah, yeah. A much happier, healthier lens, for sure. Beautiful. Actually, I had one other question about have you found in your research, have you found any ties into like ancient cultures using something similar to this, even if they’re just older civilizations, for example? I’m just curious because I always find it’s very interesting, always as I learn more about so many different health and healing modalities, like so many of them, we can tie back to, you know, whether it was, you know, are you Vedic medicine or it was, you know, obviously the breath work goes back thousands of years, right?

01:05:19:11 – 01:05:36:05
Nathan Crane
I mean, for, you know, massage and facial work goes back thousands of years. But like this kind of this form of of, you know, fashion decompression that you’ve kind of put together, are there other ties that you’ve found that go back into kind of ancient civilizations?

01:05:36:20 – 01:05:55:19
Deanna Hansen
You know, I’m certain that this wasn’t new information, though. I feel that I became a portal or a channel to share it. But I think it is from the past. But I have yet to see anything. I was very excited to read James Nestor’s breath book though, because he talks about all of the things as a.

01:05:55:19 – 01:05:57:10
Nathan Crane
Great as a great book, huh?

01:05:57:18 – 01:06:19:20
Deanna Hansen
Yeah. The nose breathing, the the exhale, like all the things that really tie into and the moving into pain on purpose with intention. You know, he talks about the cold plunge and it’s very painful. I mean, I’ve done it and it’s not fun. But when you do things with intention on purpose, you become stronger. So what we’re doing is we’re moving into pain on purpose in our body consciously.

01:06:19:23 – 01:06:33:09
Deanna Hansen
And we’re not adding pain to your body. We’re making you aware of the pain that’s deeper than what you’re consciously aware of. So you can bring it to the surface and exhale it out and then move deeper to the older stuff so you can keep pulling the past up and out. But no I haven’t seen anything yet.

01:06:33:24 – 01:06:55:10
Nathan Crane
Mhm. Yeah. It’ll be interesting if something, something shows up. I mean obviously there’s a lot of like, like I said the breath work and the nervous system and all of that and the, you know, deep massage. But this goes deeper like you said, even deeper, much deeper than foam rolling. Foam rolling, like as you’ve explained it, as you’re really just working on the superficial layers, the muscles, for example, which can be great for recovery and for getting some blood flow there.

01:06:55:20 – 01:07:06:22
Nathan Crane
But to get to that deeper fashion layers, as you’ve explained, you have to be there at least 3 minutes. Right. I mean, in that in that position, yes.

01:07:06:22 – 01:07:24:04
Deanna Hansen
And I actually believe part of the reason is because in the past, like let’s say in the fifties, I did a webinar with somebody who showed that like compared to the fifties, we have a it’s probably more now, as was two years ago, 144,000 toxins and in the world that our bodies are having to deal with compared to the fifties.

01:07:24:04 – 01:07:31:11
Deanna Hansen
So I’m and also if you look at the postures back then before technology, the bodies were healthier. In general, they were better.

01:07:31:23 – 01:07:33:14
Nathan Crane
They were now everyone’s like this.

01:07:34:02 – 01:07:59:24
Deanna Hansen
Yeah, exactly. So If you put a frequency in like acupuncture or reflexology and it creates a wave, there was more space for that wave to take effect. We’re now we’re so compressed and and congested and dirty, those waves can’t travel very easily through the tissue. And that’s where I feel that. And maybe that’s why this just came at this point, because now there’s a need where possibly in the past there wasn’t a need for more directed.

01:08:00:21 – 01:08:27:14
Nathan Crane
Interesting. Yeah, that’s a really interesting point. Like I was just in Kenya on a humanitarian effort trip down there to help bring seeds and tools to the starving people farms up in northern Kenya. Yeah, it was a beautiful I mean, it’s a heartbreaking experience. But, you know, seeing so many people literally starving to death, I mean, women that I met that were lucky if they ate two meals a month, skin and bones, I mean, crazy.

01:08:27:14 – 01:08:54:08
Nathan Crane
But the 60 year old men were, you know, sitting on the ground in a knee forward squat position. Right. So, like, they’re I mean, the mobility they had because of they don’t have chairs, they don’t have desks, they don’t have of them have phones. The younger some of the younger kids have phones and things, but most of them don’t really like their bodies, even though they’re suffering from not having food.

01:08:54:08 – 01:09:17:04
Nathan Crane
You could see that their bodies were actually very free because they walk all the time. They sit in the squats, which is the way we’ve been designed to rival any indigenous tribe where they sit in squats. You know, like I keep I encourage my kids to do it all the time. Like never lose that, never lose. Being able to sit and do a deep, deep squat know do that when you’re 90 because it will help your body so much.

01:09:17:04 – 01:09:42:08
Nathan Crane
I’m still working on regaining that mobility. I could barely because I sat in a desk working my businesses like this for like ten years. You know, my whole body got all tight and my hips and so as and everything and like I could barely get below parallel in the squat. And it’s now I can get deep in a squat, but I’m still working on getting more range, you know, because things you don’t use it, you lose it for sure, but you can regain it.

01:09:42:08 – 01:09:43:11
Nathan Crane
That’s a beautiful thing.

01:09:43:17 – 01:09:50:23
Deanna Hansen
Absolutely. And fashion’s a big player. I mean, you know, a stiletto, not a good thing, right?

01:09:51:05 – 01:09:59:22
Nathan Crane
Yeah. That’s what I tell my wife and my daughter. Like my daughter wants to wear like high heels sometimes. I’m like, yeah, those things are terrible for your feet. Don’t do it. You know.

01:10:00:07 – 01:10:17:06
Deanna Hansen
Well. And not only your feet, they offset everything forward. So it’s that we should have 60% of our weight on our heels. The average person has more than 80% of the balls of their feet. And then you put foot in a shoe like that. And if you wear them all the time, that is very much going to impact what goes on as you go through time.

01:10:18:06 – 01:10:27:14
Nathan Crane
Yeah. So here’s a good I don’t have all my photos around my phone, but I want people who are watching to see what I’m talking about. You can see this older gentleman here and then look look at his knees.

01:10:28:03 – 01:10:28:11
Deanna Hansen
Yeah.

01:10:28:15 – 01:10:48:09
Nathan Crane
Protruding you a foot in front of his toes and he’s sitting in a in a squat, in a natural squat. Most people, you know, over 40 today in our society will look at and go, oh my God, my knees would explode. Right. And yet, you know, these people are 50, 60, and this is no problem. And this is like this is how we’re supposed to be, you know?

01:10:48:18 – 01:10:55:06
Nathan Crane
But but we lose it. And then we do, you know, by losing our mobility, it does contribute to our chronic pain, doesn’t it?

01:10:56:09 – 01:11:16:18
Deanna Hansen
Yes. Because if we’re not aware of alignment and you know, for us to be consciously aware of a limb, it means our muscles are supporting us when we fall into those spaces. Now we’re asking the ligaments to support our weight, which is not their job. And then they take the burden of that over time and we lose the space inside the joints.

01:11:16:18 – 01:11:42:18
Deanna Hansen
And then instead of there being nice space with all that wonderful synovial fluid to create lubrication, now we’re grinding cartilage and then we wear and then we slam and then we lose mobility. And so on and so on. So like you can see how, you know, one injury from childhood, if not dealt with properly, can create a cascading of events as you go through time, even bring you into, you know, again, like major autoimmune disorders.

01:11:43:01 – 01:11:48:24
Deanna Hansen
We had a sprained ankle at the age of ten impacted how you walk for the rest of your life.

01:11:49:15 – 01:12:04:18
Nathan Crane
Interesting. Yeah you just spoke my language. Sprained ankle at the age of ten. I used a sprained ankle all the time. Skateboarding. And it’s, you know, all the scar tissue. Their scar tissue. So does this help break up? You know, old, old scar tissue, decades old scar tissue? Is that that.

01:12:05:04 – 01:12:27:15
Deanna Hansen
It helps melt it because basically those false walls and false where the collagen migrates, it’s the same thing as scar tissue. Again, whether it’s created from an injury or surgery. I have a number of women who have had C-sections who are blown by the changes in the lower abdomen after they start blocking, because, of course, when you’ve got this big, huge scar in this major muscle area, suddenly you don’t have that control.

01:12:27:15 – 01:12:48:07
Deanna Hansen
Then you get a pulse because you don’t have that muscular control because the scar tissue basically acts like dead tissue. And it’s it’s not dead, but it acts like dead tissue in elastic. Can’t do its work. When we get in there, people melt through that and then they bring life back into that and lift and then they integrate the cells back into those spaces.

01:12:48:07 – 01:13:01:24
Nathan Crane
All right. Well, I’m sold. I did the starter program recently and then I and then I just stopped. And so now I’m sold on, like, you know. All right, do it every day. Now get back to it. Probably sign up for the monthly membership. And I mean.

01:13:01:24 – 01:13:03:00
Deanna Hansen
Thinking I might just give it to you.

01:13:04:07 – 01:13:19:17
Nathan Crane
Well, thank you. I’m going to I want to commit a long term, I think just with all the injuries from my past and a lot of things I’ve had to go through and, you know, dealing with different issues with the body, like I’m hundred percent sold, like, all right, this is a daily thing I need to do and really commit to it long term.

01:13:19:17 – 01:13:41:00
Nathan Crane
So I’m going to do that now and I encourage everyone here listening. If you’re listening or watching this, go try this for yourself and give it give it some time, right? Give it a couple of months, few months. See what it does for you in your own life. I mean, all the case studies and testimonials you have from so many people, healing so many different issues is, is incredible.

01:13:41:06 – 01:14:01:17
Nathan Crane
And and it just makes sense. Just makes perfect sense. So, Deanna, thanks for coming on. It was awesome chatting with you. You know, you’re such a wealth of knowledge around physiology, around fashion, the body and breath and everything. And it’s like even though, you know, I love hearing you speak about it. I still take notes. Every time you talk, I listen, you talk a lot about it.

01:14:01:17 – 01:14:07:11
Nathan Crane
It’s like I’m still taking notes. I’m still learning new things. So, so it’s awesome. I love spending time with you, so thank you.

01:14:08:07 – 01:14:20:10
Deanna Hansen
Thanks, Nathan. And as am I still learning. And that’s the beauty of the community. I keep I keep learning based on the feedback I’m getting and, where things are going so, so incredibly grateful that I had this opportunity with you. Thank you so much.

01:14:20:24 – 01:14:22:11
Nathan Crane
All right. Take care, everybody.