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00:00:00:00 – 00:00:25:17
Nathan Crane
Welcome back to the podcast. Today I am joined by Mr. Tom Palladino, who is an expert in scalar energy. Tom, welcome to the podcast, man. I think last time we spoke I did an interview with you, I think five or six years ago, and you were doing some really amazing work using scalar energy and helping people heal from different kinds of pathogenic diseases.

00:00:25:17 – 00:00:52:01
Nathan Crane
And I was really fascinated by that. I since have continued researching deeply into energy healing, ancient Eastern energy healing methods as well as, you know, modern methods for chronic diseases such as PMF and red light therapy and other kinds of energy healing devices. But one. Thanks for coming on the podcast and to you know what have you been up to these last five or six years since we last spoke?

00:00:52:18 – 00:01:14:21
Tom Paladino
Well, thanks for the intro. What do I have been up to for the past five years? Nothing about research, but I work with scalar energy instruments. This is Tesla technology or what some people call zero point energy. And like any science, it’s an endless. You could spend a million years and scratch the surface. I live a charmed life.

00:01:14:22 – 00:01:26:13
Tom Paladino
I’m very favorite. I’ll be the first to admit I enjoy research. It’s a challenge, but I like the challenges. There’s nothing boring about my existence.

00:01:26:18 – 00:01:31:16
Nathan Crane
What kind of research have you been doing? Like, what have you been up to specifically?

00:01:32:12 – 00:02:10:16
Tom Paladino
We’ve come to the point where we can take a scalar energy instrument and identify any pathogen or microbe, say a virus, bacterium or fungus, and negate its intelligence. So what do I mean by that? There’s molecular intelligence. Atomic intelligence, genetic intelligence. I work in the realm of intelligence or information. These are information instruments that I work with. And I’ve had great success, if you will, eradicating, nullifying, if you will, the intelligence of a virus or a bacterium.

00:02:10:16 – 00:02:43:07
Tom Paladino
And I can prove it only through the testimonies of people that I’m working with. So this is a new and emerging science. It’s groundbreaking research of mine. Nobody’s been able to get to duplicate my results because nobody has developed my type of technique or the instrumentation that I’m working with. That’s what’s so challenging. My work is groundbreaking and it’s it’s to the point where I would like to see some other scientific body try and duplicate my results, but that’s not forthcoming yet.

00:02:43:24 – 00:02:52:01
Tom Paladino
So at the present moment, on the vanguard of this specific type of what I call quantum healing or informational healing.

00:02:53:14 – 00:03:08:05
Nathan Crane
So have you thought about trying to, you know, get together funding and some research money and scientists and actually use your technology to document what’s happening?

00:03:08:20 – 00:03:26:23
Tom Paladino
I would love that. I would love that. So there’s a few impediments. First of all, I have to get the message out to them. I’m still not well known. I don’t think I’m I don’t think I’m a household word that I want to be. But this has to become probably get it to very circles throughout the world. We’re not there yet.

00:03:27:11 – 00:03:50:22
Tom Paladino
Do I need help? Yes. Eventually I’ll need funding. My goal in working with this type of technology is to introduce this to the road to. To better mankind. I come from that standpoint, humanitarian. I’m a Christian. The entire purpose of my work is to help people. Now, if I have to prove it through certain channels, I’m willing to do that.

00:03:51:18 – 00:04:14:17
Tom Paladino
And those of you in the listening audience, after you die, just what I have to present. Maybe you could help me. I see. Just incredible potential with this technology. Scalar energy, what some people call Tesla energy or zero point energy. We’re working with a different energy spectrum. It’s not electricity. And as such, I think it offers the world just incredible potential.

00:04:16:02 – 00:04:20:01
Nathan Crane
How is it different than RIF technology, for example, or is it the same thing?

00:04:20:17 – 00:04:32:05
Tom Paladino
RIF Well, RIF is a genius. Likewise, he was an inventor, a theorist, and he developed an instrument that could, if you will, pinpoint or identify a disease pattern.

00:04:32:23 – 00:04:38:22
Nathan Crane
The frequency basically the frequency of the disease or the pathogen, the virus, the bacteria. You know.

00:04:39:18 – 00:05:01:07
Tom Paladino
He was able to identify a disease pattern. And in so doing, he was able to negate it or bring that to a state of chaos. Well, I’m not that familiar with his work, but he had a work in person one on one. My instrument is unique because I work photographs. I don’t work with people. This is my photograph.

00:05:01:07 – 00:05:14:08
Tom Paladino
My photograph is in the energy felt to it. People send me photographs. I work only with a photograph because of the force field and the information field on the photograph. So that’s the distinction between me and right.

00:05:15:15 – 00:05:33:18
Nathan Crane
So let’s talk about scalar energy for a minute and the quantum science behind it and how because a lot of people are going to listen to that who have no idea about energy healing, energy, medicine, energy technology and go, okay, this is crap. This is woo woo. There’s there’s nothing behind it. You can’t heal somebody by a photograph.

00:05:33:18 – 00:06:07:14
Nathan Crane
But once you start to research and understand the quantum field and quantum mechanics and the science of the quantum energy that our scientists are understanding more and more, it starts to make more sense how that is not only possible, but quite plausible when using a device that could send, you know, healing frequencies or energy to somebody. So first, maybe talk a little bit about what is the quantum field and how does scalar energy actually work and interact with our with our bodies.

00:06:08:01 – 00:06:38:06
Tom Paladino
Now, let’s let’s define these terms of quantum field or quantum energy that it speaks of a different energy spectrum. Quantum energy, scalar energy is not electricity or magnetism. So what’s peculiar about that energy? Well, it pervades the universe. It’s nonphysical. It’s pure information. Some people want to call it consciousness. You can do that. So when I’m working with these instruments, I’m tapping into the intelligence per se.

00:06:38:06 – 00:07:04:21
Tom Paladino
It’s the intelligence of the sun and the stars. So to put this into context, a quantum instrument, my skill or energy instruments work with the energy of the sun in the stars. This is intelligence or consciousness that we’re working with. It’s always nonphysical. And I’ve come to the conclusion that is physical instruction is responsible for our action in the universe.

00:07:05:13 – 00:07:27:21
Tom Paladino
So if you can compare this to, well, let’s say an architect would drop architectural plans for a building. Well, the architecture plans are the intelligence. It’s not the end result. But before you build a building, you better have architectural plans. You have to have a design, you have to have intelligence. Well, that’s what skill or emptiness. It’s the intelligence of the universe.

00:07:28:15 – 00:07:40:16
Tom Paladino
And if we can access the intelligence of the universe, it puts us in the driver’s seat of the universe. We can, if you will, command, we can dictate nature.

00:07:42:09 – 00:07:56:20
Nathan Crane
So would you say something like telepathy is scalar energy or quantum energy? It’s not technically magnetism or electrical, but in fact, it’s information. It’s thought based information.

00:07:57:18 – 00:08:23:18
Tom Paladino
Exactly. Now, this gives rise to this new science. Get our energy in which we can explain phenomena. Telepathy is a function of scale or energy prophecy. It’s a function of scale or energy. Some people have déja vu, or some people have this ability to see the future. Why? Because that’s an information field that you can access. It’s it’s been said some people can buy low key.

00:08:23:18 – 00:08:48:03
Tom Paladino
They can be in two places at once. Well, while I work with my photograph in my instrument, my photograph by locates to my instrument. So this proves teleportation or by location. Call it what you will. So a scalar energy realm is infinite. It’s really holographic. And it’s it’s pure intelligence. So telepathy is the norm.

00:08:50:04 – 00:09:27:03
Nathan Crane
When we know the CIA did a lot of experimenting with telepathy and basically proved it in their own experiments using it more for, you know, spy type of activities, learning about the enemies, infiltrating, etc.. And they, you know, have trained people for decades on how to use these kind of extra, you know, incredible perceptions, perceptual abilities. Right. Like telepathy, for example, reading somebody else’s thoughts or even sending your thoughts to somebody else and them, you know, these experiments have been done all around the world for decades.

00:09:27:03 – 00:09:54:05
Nathan Crane
It’s really actually pretty cool if you think about it now. Put somebody in a room, you know, 100 miles or a thousand miles, different place in the entire world. Sealed room, no phone, no contact, nothing to put somebody else in another room, and they’ll show one person a card from a deck, for example. Then they’ll have the other person connect to the energy of that person, to their thoughts, to that room, to that card.

00:09:54:14 – 00:10:12:04
Nathan Crane
And some people can see it. Some people can hear it, some people can can just, you know, have a feeling of what it is. And the more they practice, the more accurate they become. Right. And so these aren’t I know it sounds crazy. And we will for people who’ve never, you know, has experience of this or heard of it.

00:10:12:04 – 00:10:41:21
Nathan Crane
But it actually starts to make sense when you realize that, like the entire universe is mathematics. It’s all numbers, it’s it’s algebra and all kinds of other complex mathematics that every thing that you look at. I remember this was 17, 15, 16 years ago. I was walking down the streets in Oceanside, California, kind of in a meditation. And I had a spiritual teacher at the time, like a mentor who was who was starting to talk to me about, you know, frequencies and thoughts and emotions and energy and all that.

00:10:41:21 – 00:11:00:12
Nathan Crane
And I’d sit and meditate for long periods of time thinking on these things. And I was walking down the street and all of a sudden I literally I was like in a half meditation, I started seeing everything as numbers. For the first time. I started seeing the fire hydrant as numbers. I was seeing the the pavement blocks as numbers.

00:11:00:12 – 00:11:21:10
Nathan Crane
I was seeing, you know, these were the manmade things. And it was really clear to see that they were numbers in as I was walking because it takes numbers to actually design these things. Right. You have numbers of, you know, the widths and the heights and the fractions and all the different things that actually make up those manmade things.

00:11:21:10 – 00:11:43:23
Nathan Crane
But I started seeing numbers in the blades of grass and in the trees, and they all had mathematical equations that made up. I didn’t see like the mathematical equations. I could just sense and see that everything was made of numbers. Let’s go to my first big aha moment where I was just like, Whoa, the universe we live in is crazy and everything’s made literally by numbers and mathematics and equations.

00:11:43:23 – 00:11:52:14
Nathan Crane
And that’s pretty much what, you know, quantum mechanics is, right? It’s the mathematics trying to get to a mathematical understanding of how everything is designed.

00:11:53:11 – 00:12:23:05
Tom Paladino
Math is the queen of sciences. You cannot math cannot apply math as follows. The laws of science. And you can find math embodied throughout nature. For instance, the scalar wave carries the transcendent figure of Phi Phi, the golden mean, the divine proportion, which is 1.618. It’s a transcendent number and it’s a never ending number. So what’s the math of scalar?

00:12:23:16 – 00:12:54:20
Tom Paladino
Well, there’s a major group and a minor group to scalar, and the major group is to the order 1.618 times longer than the minor groups. So the length of the major group is five to the minor group, which is one. But this is why we have five principle or the golden mean or the divine proportion throughout creation, a scalar wave as embodied in it the divine proportion.

00:12:55:05 – 00:13:24:08
Tom Paladino
And because of that creation that derives from the scale wave is filled with this Fibonacci sequence, which is just the divine proportion 1.618 So if you will, the beauty of the universe, you could, you could describe it mathematically, describe it through poetry, you could describe it through visual observation, but it all coincides. There’s no contradiction in nature.

00:13:24:08 – 00:13:33:09
Nathan Crane
These are really far fetched and outlandish ideas for somebody who would be consider themselves a Christian right?

00:13:33:09 – 00:14:06:19
Tom Paladino
Sadly, you’re right. Sadly, because I think many people today, they have a misconception of Christianity or they limit themselves. Well, God is not. Christ is not. My present is two people, a Christian and non-Christian. Most people accept this. Once you can show them this thread of evidence, most people will accept this type of thinking. If you can show them that you’re following the laws of science or you have some type of proof behind it, because then it’s no longer a hyperbole.

00:14:07:02 – 00:14:15:03
Tom Paladino
There’s substance to this. Well, that’s my career. I’m working with the laws of science. This is not my opinion.

00:14:16:23 – 00:14:34:11
Nathan Crane
So talk a little bit more about some of those laws of science and why holding a picture of somebody in a different part of the world up to a scalar energy device can heal them of what pathogens write. Viral infections, but parasites, things like that.

00:14:35:01 – 00:14:56:09
Tom Paladino
Yes, all of the above. So let me use this analogy first. Nathan and I are having a conversation for our computers. Well, Nathan is not on my computer, and I’m not in your office. I’m not in your computer. You can share an image. Well, that’s what the computer or my instrument works like. A computer. And likewise I can communicate through a photograph, which is an image.

00:14:57:12 – 00:15:25:14
Tom Paladino
Why my photograph of skin or energy or skeletal intelligence attached to it. My photograph, my my face, my facial features, everything. My genetic structure is downloaded on that photograph. And when I place a photograph inside the quantum field or a scalar energy force field, it’s an immediate connection through the ether. So when we’re working with skin or energy, we don’t have to worry about time and distance.

00:15:25:14 – 00:15:49:03
Tom Paladino
We transcend time and distance, much like what some people call remote viewing or prophecy or the telepathy. The telepathy knows no boundary. Well, that is what I’m practicing telepathy through a photograph. So if we can communicate with people by way of telepathy, that I can communicate by way of a photograph through my instrument, which is essentially a telepathic instrument.

00:15:49:24 – 00:16:16:14
Tom Paladino
All of this calls to mind that there has to be two energies. What academia is defined today is as electricity and magnetism is true. That is valid. But there’s another energy that has to be embraced, which is skill or energy, what Nikola Tesla called radiant energy. So there’s two energies and answers, two explanations for phenomenon in the universe.

00:16:16:14 – 00:16:41:03
Nathan Crane
So when you say it’s like your scalar energy devices, like the computer, and that connects us through the information. And that information is, as we know, through quantum science, that if that information is instantaneous, it’s not even the speed of light. Right? It’s faster in the speed of light because it’s instantaneously it’s like if the universe were one, it’s how I kind of have come to understand it.

00:16:41:21 – 00:17:14:10
Nathan Crane
The entire universe is like one giant hard drive, right? All the data that’s ever existed, all the information, all the thoughts, emotions, experiences, memories of all living beings for every planet around the universe exists in this hard drive we call the universe, and it’s all connected instantaneously. 24 seven of this is like the Internet, right? It’s instantaneous. The only thing that that slows us down from our connection to the Internet is our Wi-Fi signal or our Internet signal, depending on how fast that is.

00:17:14:18 – 00:17:27:06
Nathan Crane
But this doesn’t even have to do with speeds of signal because it’s all this interconnected web that’s instantly connected. 24 seven. Is that accurate to say that?

00:17:27:08 – 00:17:52:11
Tom Paladino
Yes, that’s brilliant. Why? Because the universe is holographic. There is no point in point B, point A and point B are the same point that that describes a true holographic experience. And that’s what the universe is in the quantum realm, in the scalar energy realm. So you could see why Nathan and I are so excited about this quantum realm, this this realm of telepathy.

00:17:52:11 – 00:18:20:09
Tom Paladino
We’re leaving behind the Slowpoke, which is the electricity, you know, no hard feelings, but electricity and magnetism are an energy spectrum that’s slow and limited. Scalar energy. Telepathy dimension is unlimited, and it’s instantaneous communication. What I really like about it as a power plant, the energies from the sun and the stars, the power, the energy is free in the future.

00:18:20:09 – 00:18:31:20
Tom Paladino
If we if we will capture, we can control scavenging, making power the role through the sun in the stars. That’s free energy.

00:18:31:20 – 00:18:47:04
Nathan Crane
How did how did Tesla create the electricity through the air? Is that different? The scalar energy where he was able to send electricity, basically? Oh, he was taking electricity out of the air and capturing it into the lights. Right. That’s different.

00:18:47:18 – 00:19:13:05
Tom Paladino
That in Colorado Springs just developed what I know is the first scalar energy instrument. Mm hmm. And he was working with wireless transmission of energy at that time. And the phenomenon that took place in 1899 at his scalar energy tower in Colorado Springs was indicative was had all the all the air markings, if you will, of scalar energy research.

00:19:13:16 – 00:19:53:19
Tom Paladino
It was entirely wireless. The tower did not have any moving parts. So you beg the question, where is all the kinetic energy coming from? Where is the motor? There is no kinetic motor. The kinetic energy from the sun and the stars. And so the point is, in 1899, my estimation test developed the first killer energy instrument, wireless, motionless, which he simply captured the energy, the sun in the stars and his he was able to produce even 50 or 60 foot lightning bolts with this free energy from the atmosphere, from the stars.

00:19:54:08 – 00:20:01:04
Tom Paladino
So to be clear, Tesla was the first man to harness given energy and he could produce artificial lightning bolts.

00:20:01:17 – 00:20:12:24
Nathan Crane
So he was okay. So it was scalar energy he was using that was actually creating the electricity, creating it or pulling it out of the ions in the air out. I mean.

00:20:13:11 – 00:20:37:03
Tom Paladino
Pulling it out. Pulling it out. And that’s why I think he moved to Colorado Springs High in the Rocky Mountains because he wanted to be closer to the ionosphere. And he previous to that, he was living in New York City. I don’t think anybody in New York City would appreciate a 60 foot lightning bolt in their vicinity. So what he was experimenting on the Rocky Mountains.

00:20:38:01 – 00:20:48:23
Tom Paladino
It was must have been a spectacular show. But nobody’s really going to complain that at an elevation of 6000 feet on a ranch in Colorado Springs.

00:20:48:23 – 00:20:52:23
Nathan Crane
Now, wasn’t his laboratory and all his research destroyed by somebody?

00:20:54:09 – 00:21:24:06
Tom Paladino
Yes. When he was New York City, one day he went out and when he came back, he found his entire laboratory was burned to the ground. Arson. And notably, we have to call this out. It was probably the international because at that time some dispute with the international bankers. The international bankers wanted to monetize this inventions tests of the thing, the great humanitarian wanted to give away these inventions and money and power at stake.

00:21:24:13 – 00:21:33:01
Tom Paladino
And how in a short period of time that Tesla’s laboratory burned to the ground is that’s quite dubious. So I’d say was arson.

00:21:33:12 – 00:21:40:00
Nathan Crane
Hmm. Interesting that that’s just a working theory. Is there hard evidence of that?

00:21:41:05 – 00:21:57:03
Tom Paladino
Oh, there’s no hard evidence. But at that time, J.P. Morgan and the Rothschilds were saying the writing on the wall, that that Tesla was on his way to developing free energy. And the Cabal did not want free energy.

00:21:57:10 – 00:22:22:17
Nathan Crane
Yeah, they don’t like they don’t like things free that that takes away from their profits. I mean, that’s all these giant billion dollar corporations really. Now today the modern version of that is a WEF World Economic Forum and the corporations and governments that are involved in that, that are basically stripping away our human rights and controlling all of us through, you know, basically corporate greed and human control.

00:22:22:17 – 00:22:49:14
Nathan Crane
I mean, but back then it was, as you said, the Rothschilds. It was same with the medical, you know, takeover that had happened around that time as well, where they basically came in and started pushing, you know, pharmacology and pushing out all the natural medicine late 1800s or early 1900s, to the point to where now a doctor gets trained and really all they know is drugs.

00:22:49:14 – 00:22:55:15
Nathan Crane
They don’t know disease prevention and disease healing. They they just know how to prescribe drugs for the most part. Unfortunately.

00:22:56:06 – 00:23:29:16
Tom Paladino
Now it’s well established that the Rockefellers funded university studies funded pharmaceutical companies products funded many of these. If you will, arms and these functions of American medicine today. Why, why why would they do that? To have complete control from university to application to the actual pharmaceutical company? What’s the point? Point is money. I’ve always told people, I said, why are the Rockefellers involved in medicine?

00:23:30:01 – 00:23:45:21
Tom Paladino
They’re not physicians. They don’t understand biology. They’re bankers. Well, bankers are involved in medicine to make money. Not not not interested in the welfare of mankind. Bankers are interested in making money. It’s kind of obvious.

00:23:47:08 – 00:24:10:00
Nathan Crane
Yeah. That was the Flexner report that they put together at that time and then basically started putting someone from their from their board on started putting someone from their team on the board of every major university and said, we will give you funding and we have millions and millions and millions of dollars as long as you follow what we tell you.

00:24:10:00 – 00:24:32:06
Nathan Crane
And we’re going to put one of our members on your board. And it was basically the same person who was on the board of all these universities. And as long as you follow, you know, the scientific method that we are purporting, which is going to be primarily using pharmacology, using drugs, they call it disease treatment. But we all really know that it’s symptom management.

00:24:32:16 – 00:24:58:22
Nathan Crane
Most these drugs are not treating diseases at all. And in fact, if you’re watching this and you’re 60 years old, unfortunately in America, you’re probably on five or six different drugs. And a lot of them are to deal with the side effects of the first ones that they put you on. And, you know, it’s a big aha an awakening for a lot of people once they realize that that, you know, our natural, innate design is to be healthy and to regenerate and to live a long, healthy life.

00:24:59:08 – 00:25:19:13
Nathan Crane
We don’t get sick due to a lack of drugs in our body. We get sick due to a lack of nutrients into an excess of toxins, into, quite frankly, a lot of stress in our lives. And so, you know, we’re not sick with disease because we don’t have enough drugs and putting more and more and more drugs on top of drugs to manage our symptoms doesn’t get after the root cause.

00:25:19:13 – 00:25:39:03
Nathan Crane
And and, of course, there are some pharmaceuticals and some interventions that can be helpful in certain situations, of course. But when it comes to chronic health conditions, when it comes to aging and anti-aging and longevity and disease prevention and disease healing, we know majority of the time drugs are not the solution.

00:25:39:23 – 00:25:52:12
Tom Paladino
So and I think many people are now aware of this fact. Many people realize that this was a contrivance, that this was a snow job. This this is deception snow job.

00:25:52:13 – 00:26:07:02
Nathan Crane
That’s a good that’s a good point from from the Elvis film. Right. What an amazing film. And I didn’t know all that about Elvis, his life. Holy cow. What a great film, though. It wasn’t that good. Really well done.

00:26:07:02 – 00:26:37:15
Tom Paladino
Getting back on point, what’s what are we getting at here? There are alternatives. There is innovative medicine. There are alternative out there. And if people are still believing that pharmacology is the only way to go, no food is medicine. I don’t take one drug. I’m not I’ve never been on any drugs. I’m 64 years of age. I eat well, I pray, I meditate, I exercise.

00:26:37:15 – 00:26:53:02
Tom Paladino
That’s what I need. This is what most people need. Only in extreme cases should many people be on some type of drug. You have to look at the long standing implications. What are the negative side effects? There are side effects.

00:26:54:03 – 00:27:06:13
Nathan Crane
Yeah. So I’ve seen you holding a light bulb and putting it near the scalar energy device and then it lighting up. So can you explain how that happens?

00:27:06:13 – 00:27:28:16
Tom Paladino
And the instruments are so strong. If I hold a light bulb in my bare hand, light bulbs option on plugged in, if you will, position the light bulb close to the instrument, it’ll animate. It will illuminate well that, if you will, speaks of a local skill or energy environment. So much energy that I can illuminate a light bulb or I’ve also experienced.

00:27:28:16 – 00:27:54:12
Tom Paladino
Sometimes if I had my cell phone close to my instrument, the cell phone will be interfered with. The signal of skill or energy will override the microwave microwaves. So I try to demonstrate to people that it is a functioning instrument and that in that vicinity it is a scalar energy environment. It’s no longer an electromagnetic environment. And when you’re working in a skill or energy environment, it’s quite different.

00:27:54:20 – 00:28:22:03
Tom Paladino
It’s that holographic universe that we access. So to be clear, the scalar energy instruments allow me to interface to, if you will, gain entry. Some people call that a wormhole. I simply say it’s an interface to scatter energy. That’s the key to my work. I’m no longer working in this dimension of Newtonian physics, of electromagnetic energy.

00:28:22:03 – 00:28:30:13
Nathan Crane
So how did you come up with this device? Like, where did you get the blueprints? How did you figure it out? Like, Yeah, how did you design this thing?

00:28:30:13 – 00:28:55:07
Tom Paladino
Back in 1993, I met a family by the name of Hieronymus, their inventors, Gil Galen. Hieronymus was with the main theorists, the main inventor. He invented scattering instruments, and I could actually purchase scalar energy instruments back in the nineties from the Hieronymus family. Since then, they’re all deceased. The family does not and has no interest in furthering this work.

00:28:56:03 – 00:29:22:13
Tom Paladino
But my initial skill around the instrument was on Hieronymus instrument, and there from my I redesigned the instrument. I, if you will. I was able to work with a series of engineers and by customizing this instrument, we can now, if you will, command scalar energy at a much greater capacity. It’s a much stronger scalar wave form and it has greater potential.

00:29:23:04 – 00:29:54:15
Tom Paladino
So that’s, if you will, the history of my work. SKINNER Energy from an engineering standpoint, the key is you have to learn from the Masters and there’s few of them. Tesla was one. Hieronymus was another scalar energy expert, only a few scientists have ever been able to actually create, harness this energy and demonstrate and to do so in a favorable condition, so to speak, to demonstrate it, and to repeatedly have demonstrable effects.

00:29:54:15 – 00:30:10:02
Tom Paladino
So it is a, if you will, an instrument that can be properly engineered to access to, if you will, to control that scalar wave form. That’s the key.

00:30:10:02 – 00:30:31:05
Nathan Crane
So what actually is let me see, is what’s happening with the scalar energy when you hold if somebody picture like how, how what are the things that are getting healed in people? These case studies that you receive in these anecdotes, what are they telling you? Is getting healed and do you change something about the device to heal something else?

00:30:31:05 – 00:30:46:20
Nathan Crane
Or like like with RIF technology, you would actually change the frequency depending on what the person’s dealing with in this case. Are you changing anything about the energy? Is it just one frequency that it’s putting out? You know, can you explain that?

00:30:46:20 – 00:31:10:14
Tom Paladino
This is what I have discovered with this instrument and it will pick up the energy of anything if I hold up a photograph of the HIV virus, this HIV virus has a signature, a scalar energy signature, scalar energy intelligence. Now, to demonstrate, I’ve been working with a clinic in HIV clinic in Delhi, India. It’s called Ohm. Prakash This is a photograph from the clinic in Delhi, India.

00:31:10:24 – 00:31:42:22
Tom Paladino
Ohm Prakash Now we’ve work with over 5000 people at this clinic through this process. It’s very simple, very straightforward, and hence working at a fundamental level. And it works, it’s guaranteed. So by placing two photographs in the instrument simultaneously, I have a conversation. If Nathan I can have a conversation. These two photographs can have a conversation. They communicate the energy of HIV is communicated to the people, to the quantum drill, to their energy field.

00:31:44:01 – 00:32:13:20
Tom Paladino
If any of these individuals at this clinic own Prakash, this clinic in Delhi, India, had the signature for HIV. This instrument would find the signature of HIV in their energy field. It’s not a chemical process. It’s always information. It’s telepathic, if you will. And at the instrument can find the energy of HIV and any of those people it will negate or bring to a state of chaos the HIV virus.

00:32:14:19 – 00:32:25:08
Tom Paladino
So it. Synopsis A photograph of the virus allows me to identify the virus in a person energetically and bring it to a state of chaos.

00:32:25:08 – 00:32:46:24
Nathan Crane
Bring intrastate chaos, meaning it actually breaks its cellular structure down. It creates apoptosis. Like what happens in have you have you been able to study this at all, even in even in vitro, for example, have you seen do you have any in vitro like case, case study experiences or what? Yeah. What’s happening?

00:32:47:10 – 00:33:09:03
Tom Paladino
I do not because I don’t think you could. The energy is invisible in for me to to to study this in vitro and I have to have a high powered microscope, probably an electron microscope. And to observe the quantum shift or the quantum change of a virus would be very hard. Viruses are hard to photograph. So what’s my point?

00:33:09:09 – 00:33:35:03
Tom Paladino
This cannot be proven at the biological level, at least not now. I’ve never been able to do so. The only proof I have this after I work with people, they send me their PCR test. So it’s it’s my testimony. I’m going to hold up for the audience. This is one of the testimonies from the old cost clinic. This is the clinic in Delhi, India, which I’ve worked with over 5000 people who are HIV positive.

00:33:35:05 – 00:33:58:20
Tom Paladino
I about according to this individual, they no longer have a viral load. I, I think that’s notable. But I have to say that this is a testimony, this is anecdotal. Nobody can prove or disprove what I’m doing. First of all, nobody can prove that skin energy exists. It’s still a theory nobody’s been able to measure. It can’t measure consciousness.

00:33:59:13 – 00:34:26:10
Tom Paladino
Nobody can prove that it’s force field. An energy field is on a photograph, and nobody can prove that by working with photographs of people around the world, photographs of people in India, that the result is favorable. So what’s the point? It’s all anecdotal. I’ll be the first to say that my work has never been proven or disproven. We’re still cutting edge.

00:34:26:10 – 00:34:52:02
Tom Paladino
And for for this to be proven, there’s so many hurdles have to be overcome. We have to accept that skin energy exists. Then you have to define it and say, what are working principles? And then how does that a skill or energy interact with a force field on a photograph? And finally, can you send into that photograph to have it seek out and negate a pathogen such as the HIV virus?

00:34:52:21 – 00:35:19:20
Tom Paladino
No, all of that in this nascent state is going to be very difficult to do. You won’t ever be able to prove or disprove my work through electromagnetic physics because I’m not practicing electromagnetic physics. So we need a new understanding of scalar physics, new definitions. And then how do we go about explaining or at least showing that that before and after effects are favorable?

00:35:20:08 – 00:35:40:21
Tom Paladino
Well, how do you theorize how do you explain that, that that’s the as they say, that’s the $64 question right now, because it opens up a new branch of physics that we’re going to have to develop to define the terms and then to at least theorize why this happens.

00:35:42:18 – 00:36:12:10
Nathan Crane
Well, that brings up two important points, I think. One is, since you can’t prove or disprove it, you also can’t prove that it’s not just a placebo effect that people are having right. If they believe that it’s going to heal them. So they activate the chemistry through their brain, in their body to actually create the healing, which in my opinion, anything that creates a placebo effect is worth doing because you are activating your own innate healing potential for people don’t know what placebo is.

00:36:12:10 – 00:36:58:21
Nathan Crane
It’s not chance. It’s not a, you know, some random thing that happens. It is it’s literally a activating your own body’s innate healing mechanisms so that your body can regenerate and heal itself. And our bodies do it all the time. And literally, all you have to do is truly, truly believe it. And we know that because there are many scientific studies where placebo heals, people just as good or even better than the drugs themselves, meaning they had a disease or they had an issue or they had an infection or whatever, and they gave them a sugar pill and that person completely healed whatever it was, and they never even took the drug.

00:36:59:05 – 00:37:20:03
Nathan Crane
And, you know, drugs supposedly are not allowed on the market. If they can’t beat placebo. But if you actually look up randomized controlled trials on certain drugs, they’re actually a handful of drugs where they barely beat the placebo. So it’s like you can literally heal yourself by just thinking and believing it and not have to worry about side effects from the drugs.

00:37:20:16 – 00:37:30:09
Nathan Crane
But so the point is, and I’m not saying scalar energy is a placebo, I’m not saying it doesn’t exist. I’m just saying know that’s that’s the counterargument, right. Is that. Well, it could just be placebo.

00:37:31:12 – 00:37:55:08
Tom Paladino
Yeah, yeah, you’re right. You’re right. We have to be open to everything. This is a science. And in many ways we have to say, well, skin urges consciousness and that’s what we’re that’s what we’re interfacing with. What is the placebo effect? Well, is your consciousness working favorably for it to produce the outcome that you want? So intention, consciousness can be controlled.

00:37:55:08 – 00:37:57:24
Tom Paladino
We do that every day through our thoughts or our prayers.

00:37:59:03 – 00:38:23:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s a good point. So let me make sure I heard you correctly about this Ohm Prakash Clinic in India. That’s where they say you had a patient. They had a patient that came positive for HIV virus with a PCR test. And maybe we’ll we won’t even get into the the very questionable effects of PCR tests on viruses in the first place.

00:38:23:24 – 00:38:44:04
Nathan Crane
But let’s just say it was accurate and it came up positive and then they did the scalar energy with you, with the picture, and then their HIV PCR test came back negative. Now, you said you’ve worked with 5000 patients from their clinic remotely. Is that 5000 people that have had that exact same result.

00:38:44:19 – 00:38:46:19
Tom Paladino
Correct? That’s correct. So you correct.

00:38:46:20 – 00:38:58:06
Nathan Crane
5000 people from that clinic who did the scalar energy with you remotely? Initially, they had a positive PCR test for HIV. And how many sessions with them?

00:38:59:12 – 00:39:00:05
Tom Paladino
Just one month.

00:39:00:16 – 00:39:11:22
Nathan Crane
I’ll explain one month of sessions. And at the end of that they were negative PCR tests for HIV. Did they have symptoms pre and then symptoms go away as well?

00:39:12:13 – 00:39:38:00
Tom Paladino
That’s correct. They had before the scan RG Sessions, everybody had symptoms there symptomatic of some type of HIV infection. Some of them had AIDS. It was advanced after the skin adrenergic sessions. The majority of people said that they no longer had symptoms of HIV viral disease. Now keep in mind, I’m working in India and they’re poor, they’re impoverished.

00:39:38:13 – 00:39:51:06
Tom Paladino
So not everybody can afford a follow up PCR test. Those who couldn’t afford a follow up PCR test every test came back after skin undetected, no viral load.

00:39:51:14 – 00:39:52:16
Nathan Crane
How many do you know?

00:39:52:22 – 00:39:56:18
Tom Paladino
Roughly at least 20 to 30 people it.

00:39:57:10 – 00:39:59:19
Nathan Crane
So that alone right there.

00:40:00:05 – 00:40:00:18
Tom Paladino
Should.

00:40:03:00 – 00:40:28:23
Nathan Crane
Organize together hundreds of scientists millions of dollars to organic to collaborate with you to to study this scientific. So anybody watching this who knows people that fund scientific projects and scientists who work on stuff like this, send them this clip, send them this. Because if they can verify what you said, then there’s absolutely no reason why this should not be studied extensively right now.

00:40:28:23 – 00:40:30:15
Nathan Crane
I mean, that’s incredible.

00:40:31:11 – 00:40:50:02
Tom Paladino
I agree with you. Here’s another test result from all precautions you could, if you’re in Delhi, go by omprakash HIV. There’s another test result after working with this individual and a follow up PCR test. There’s no viral load undetected.

00:40:50:13 – 00:40:53:03
Nathan Crane
You can’t really read it, but you’re saying it says undetected.

00:40:53:18 – 00:40:57:09
Tom Paladino
Not detected, target, not detected. Not detected.

00:40:57:16 – 00:40:59:09
Nathan Crane
Oh, there it is. Not. Yeah. Wow.

00:41:00:19 – 00:41:32:13
Tom Paladino
Yeah. Keep in mind, the only change that these people experience during their their entire time that we were under our care was that they submitted their photographs and and many of these people now are no longer have any symptoms of HIV. So after working with 5000 people at a clinic in Delhi, India, and everybody is feeling better after we’ve worked with them, we have many of those testimonials on our website.

00:41:33:03 – 00:41:53:02
Tom Paladino
And keep in mind, I don’t know these people had no influence over them. There’s no way I could have doctored up these PCR test results. I don’t know. I’ve never been to Delhi, India, so I’m trying to be as objective as possible. What what do we think about this? Well, I think the results speak for themselves.

00:41:54:17 – 00:42:19:23
Nathan Crane
Well, if you’re I mean, the fact that you’re very open to, you know, with other scientists on this and putting together research projects and trying to figure out the science behind it, I think is a big sign right there that, you know, this is something that really needs to be explored further. And, you know, if you were bottled up and saying, well, now we can’t do it or this or that, then it’d be like, well, maybe he’s hiding stuff, you know?

00:42:20:22 – 00:42:28:20
Nathan Crane
But the fact they’re open about it is, is an important signal as a green flag that, you know, you might be on to something here.

00:42:29:09 – 00:42:40:12
Tom Paladino
So, yeah, if you visit our website, we have hundreds of PCR tests. All of those PCR tests are of the volition people who submitted those to us. I know. Course people.

00:42:40:13 – 00:43:00:24
Nathan Crane
Okay. So let me just put this caveat. I don’t believe PCR tests for viruses and I’m not going to get into why right now it’s a long conversation. There’s a lot of debate on that. I don’t believe they exist. There’s a lot of people like me who don’t believe they’re accurate in actually identifying viruses. So a site. So so let’s say you do believe that then that’s huge.

00:43:00:24 – 00:43:06:10
Nathan Crane
And people should go to your website and check it out and contact you. What’s your website, by the way?

00:43:06:10 – 00:43:07:21
Tom Paladino
Scalar like dot com.

00:43:08:02 – 00:43:25:23
Nathan Crane
Scalar light dot com. But aside from viruses and PCR tests to identify pre and post the fact that you’re saying their symptoms went away, many other symptoms went away from me. Those people as well, that’s that’s huge in and of itself. But what other things aside from viruses, can it help with?

00:43:25:23 – 00:43:55:12
Tom Paladino
Okay. So when I’m working with these instruments, all I need is a photograph of a microbe here. This is a photograph of streptococcus. And once again, why do I use photographs? A photograph is a source of light and there’s no human interpretation. What’s that mean? Well, I can’t go wrong. There’s no human reasoning. There’s no human interpretation. If I had Streptococcus in my quantum field, the instrument would find the signature of Streptococcus in me.

00:43:56:15 – 00:44:25:03
Tom Paladino
So this is the new way of treating the quantum field through a photograph. The photograph is a source of light photograph has no interpretation. The light energy, the signature on a photograph cannot be manipulated. My energy field cannot be manipulated when these two energy fields communicate. It’s a perfect administration download call it what you will communication of scatter light.

00:44:25:03 – 00:44:42:04
Tom Paladino
So this is the guaranteed process. Hear me out. This is the guarantee process modality to identify a microbe in the quantum field and remove it, negate it, bring it to a state of chaos. I can guarantee with the quantum field I can negate streptococcus.

00:44:42:24 – 00:44:48:03
Nathan Crane
So streptococci because you can actually test, you can do stool tests, you can do, you know.

00:44:49:12 – 00:44:49:23
Tom Paladino
That’s right.

00:44:51:07 – 00:45:02:13
Nathan Crane
I don’t know if you can find it in urine tests. Definitely stool test. Right. So when you say you can guarantee that you can, what were your words? I don’t put words in your mouth.

00:45:02:20 – 00:45:11:10
Tom Paladino
I can guarantee that I can identify the energy field of any microbe, including streptococcus, and eradicate it, bring that energy field to a state of chaos.

00:45:11:10 – 00:45:13:14
Nathan Crane
And how do you guarantee that? That’s the question.

00:45:13:14 – 00:45:37:22
Tom Paladino
I guarantee that through my instrument, the process that I’ve developed, because there’s no human reasoning. The the energy does what I ask it to do. If I flick on a light switch in my home, I have I have a guaranteed power source. I have illumination. If I tell my instrument to look for the signature of streptococcus in my quantum field, it will do that and negate that signature.

00:45:38:12 – 00:45:45:24
Tom Paladino
And you can I think in chemical terms, this is nonphysical only think in terms of consciousness or energy fields.

00:45:46:23 – 00:45:54:07
Nathan Crane
So I guess. QUESTION What I mean is like how can you guarantee to other people, have you done before and after testing, stool testing?

00:45:55:20 – 00:46:14:19
Tom Paladino
I can’t I can’t guarantee that with people. I only can guarantee that is my laboratory. I always have to rely upon testimonies of people. So to be clear, nobody ever travels to my laboratory. Can I prove the connection between my laboratory and a person, though? Nobody can prove that. I can theorize that. How do I prove my work?

00:46:15:09 – 00:46:38:16
Tom Paladino
Well, by our 2 to 3000 testimonies we have on our website, people tell us that they no have the discomfort of fungal infection or bacterial infection that they feel better. So sadly, we’re at the point now with this science, it’s so new we only can use anecdotal evidence to at least suggest there is no hard core scientific proof.

00:46:38:16 – 00:46:48:08
Tom Paladino
And I don’t see that forthcoming in the near future. There’s there’s so many hurdles that have to overcome. We have to be overcome. This cannot be proven by the rigorous scientific method.

00:46:49:19 – 00:47:09:15
Nathan Crane
Well, I mean, a basic again, this isn’t you know, this isn’t a randomized controlled trial. But I think something basic you could do is I could test for a pathogen then and have the symptoms. And then I and I will get a report run out of like how infected I am with that pathogen. You can get kind of a range.

00:47:09:15 – 00:47:24:21
Nathan Crane
It’s like, oh, it’s in a very, very because we have all of these bacteria viruses in our body, yeast, every one of these. It’s not that they’re necessarily bad, right? It’s when they grow out of balance and they take over and they push out more of our healthy microbes, that then we start to have symptoms and problems. Right?

00:47:24:21 – 00:47:45:03
Nathan Crane
So it’s not necessarily we want to get rid of all of these like streptococcus is not necessarily a bad pathogen that we have to eliminate from our body 100%. In fact, it probably has some symbiotic functions we just don’t understand yet, which is why we have it. But we can test for ranges of amounts of it, right? So something I could do is test for it.

00:47:45:03 – 00:48:02:19
Nathan Crane
All right. Yeah, it’s definitely high. And yeah, I definitely have symptoms, you know, do scalar energy with you and then test again and see not only do the symptoms go away, but actually that significantly decreased. I mean, that’s a pretty simple thing somebody could do. Have you done have you done that with any clients that you work with?

00:48:02:19 – 00:48:03:14
Nathan Crane
No. No.

00:48:03:14 – 00:48:31:06
Tom Paladino
And to be very clear, I we insist upon privacy. Any test result or any testimony from a person is we allow them to submit it anonymously. We will not divulge her name or any pertinent information about them. Privacy is number one. Secondly, I’ve never had a clinic, with the exception of this clinic in Delhi, India, that has, if you will, the distance with me and provided me with 5000 photographs.

00:48:31:06 – 00:48:40:14
Tom Paladino
So no clinic per se is really work with me closely, except one in India and a few in in Africa. That’s it.

00:48:40:14 – 00:49:06:09
Nathan Crane
Interesting. I mean, I’m interested like I’m like, okay, let’s, you know, let me find a pathogen and let’s work on and see what happens and test it. I actually just did a whole bunch of blood testing, a whole bunch of urine testing, multiple tests, testing for multiple things, specifically because I’m embarking on a 90 day urine therapy experiment and I want to see what happens.

00:49:06:09 – 00:49:26:16
Nathan Crane
Auto urine therapy and want to see what happens with all my biomarkers, my blood, you know, heavy metals, toxins, all that kind of stuff. For people who I’m not get into on this episode, people want to know why I’m doing that, and it sounds totally crazy. Believe me, I think it sounds crazy. I’m actually on day two as I’m recording this right now of drinking my own urine every day for 90 days to see what happens.

00:49:27:01 – 00:50:05:03
Nathan Crane
Sounds totally crazy, and it is. But go listen to my episode with Jonathan Otto and you will understand profoundly why I’m doing this and why I think it’s actually worth doing. Just like you believe, you know, not only believe, but are fully passionate about and into scalar energy. And you see how it’s helping people. There’s a significant amount of evidence research since the early 1900s, in fact, all the way through the sixties and seventies on the unbelievable benefits of urine therapy from everything from cancerous lesions to gut dysbiosis to autoimmune diseases and you name it, which I had no idea.

00:50:05:12 – 00:50:31:20
Nathan Crane
I had a little idea, but I avoided it, you know, because it was like, Yeah, that sounds way too far out there. But oftentimes it’s the things that sound way too far out there that are the things that are actually incredibly beneficial to us, like scalar energy for a lot of people. Sounds way too far out there. Yet, in fact, you’re showing that, hey, this may be the future of healing or certainly a future of energy healing.

00:50:31:20 – 00:50:59:13
Tom Paladino
You’re right in it starts with an idea and then you follow it up with these anecdotal tests. Or let’s just be blunt, their testimonies now, I can’t inculcate this thought. This is a new science. We cannot use the existing approach to medicine or or physics to prove or disprove scalar energy. Skill or energy is another branch of science that needs a new way of interpretation.

00:51:00:01 – 00:51:06:22
Tom Paladino
Even the language is not even decided upon. So what are we going to do? The language is still up in the air, so to speak.

00:51:08:12 – 00:51:12:21
Nathan Crane
All right. So I actually. Can you see my screen?

00:51:13:07 – 00:51:15:24
Tom Paladino
Yeah, that’s one of the instruments I’m working with. Yes. Thank you.

00:51:17:04 – 00:51:34:23
Nathan Crane
So there’s a light bulb in your hand. It’s kind of hard to light, but you can see how it just lit up when you brought it there. So you’re talking on this podcast, your brand Amplified, I think is her podcast. There’s a photo you’re talking about it. They’re booming. You see the light light up as you bring it closer.

00:51:36:15 – 00:51:38:04
Nathan Crane
You want to talk about what’s happening briefly.

00:51:38:05 – 00:52:04:06
Tom Paladino
So that’s the scatter energy instrument. It’s so strong it can illuminate the light bulb in my now. Well, I point to the fact that I’m using my photograph in conjunction with this instrument that’s a chakra balancing. So the amount of energy that goes into the light bulb to illuminate the light bulb is the identical energy that goes into my brainwaves or my psyche or my seven chakras.

00:52:04:20 – 00:52:27:21
Tom Paladino
As a result, people say that they feel better or that they can achieve a good night of sleep without interruption. So everything that’s happening to my photograph is happening in real time, and that is my energy field. That is, if you will, my soul, mind and body incorporated embedded on that photograph, enjoying that sharp or bouncing.

00:52:30:05 – 00:52:43:17
Nathan Crane
So that’s that you could see I was positive for people as you were talking so you could see where the light, there’s no light. And then as you get a close, it lights up. That was a little hard to see. It happened, but I could see it. But I’ve seen other videos of you where it’s really, really, really clear when you do that.

00:52:44:02 – 00:52:54:08
Nathan Crane
So it’s just transmitting such a high energy frequency that now it’s got to be transmitting a frequency, right? Couldn’t that frequency be measured?

00:52:55:03 – 00:53:16:09
Tom Paladino
It’s no, you can’t measure energy. It’s omnipresent, it’s infinite. You need a basic unit to measure something. So I try not to use the word frequency. I use the word intelligence. What is the frequency cycles per second, so to speak? You can actually count it. Keep in mind consciousness. That’s what I’m working with. The field consciousness cannot be measured.

00:53:17:07 – 00:53:42:24
Tom Paladino
It’s an abstract, if you will, and you can measure consciousness. It doesn’t have a finite amount. It’s infinite. Hmm. Yeah. It’s going to be tough. Now there is another hurdle to overcome. So eventually a group will say, Tom, we want to measure this energy. You can’t it’s it cannot be measured. You cannot measure consciousness. So how do you prove it then?

00:53:42:24 – 00:54:10:08
Tom Paladino
Well, only by the endpoints. The before and the after. Before somebody was HIV positive. After my work, people tell me they have no viral load. I realized PCR testing and its application is you have to interpret it according to certain criteria and especially during the recent pandemic, there were many PCR tests that were improperly administered.

00:54:11:05 – 00:54:33:19
Nathan Crane
Yeah, the cycle the cycle rate on those was beyond any recommendation in many cases. So it’s always going to show up for that genetic material, right, no matter what you do. So I mean, that’s that’s part of why I’m not a huge believer of PCR tests in the first place. I mean, even I forget his name. You probably know I’m the creator of the PCR test.

00:54:34:05 – 00:54:55:21
Nathan Crane
Kary Mullis Yeah, yeah. Kary Mullis was like, Yeah, this is really not meant to write, diagnose viruses. And yet the medical, you know, the community adopted it and said, No, this is how we’re going to diagnose viruses. It’s like the inventor told you, you probably shouldn’t do that. And they’re like, Well, we’re going to do it anyway.

00:54:56:16 – 00:55:25:07
Tom Paladino
So to be clear, testing, any medical testing is subject interpretation and there are false positives and there are false negatives and any testing is limited. We realize that. So the best I can do right now, is to tell people out of those 5000 people in Delhi, India, none of them have symptoms of HIV. And if you if you want to go further and you insist upon PCR testing, we have some of the PCR tests on our website.

00:55:26:00 – 00:55:30:21
Tom Paladino
But as again as a new science, all of that is subject to interpretation.

00:55:30:21 – 00:55:40:20
Nathan Crane
Now, would you say this could be have you studied like Reiki or Qigong or other kind of ancient human energy healing practices? Would you say it’s a similar.

00:55:40:20 – 00:56:00:19
Tom Paladino
I have not studied them, but it is similar. Here’s an instance you’ve heard of faith. You would say you put your hand on yoga. What’s the animating force it has to be scared or energy, sheer prana or consciousness called a Christ. Consciousness. When somebody can heal you by placing their hands on you, it’s not your fingers that are that are going to heal you.

00:56:00:19 – 00:56:17:05
Tom Paladino
It’s the energy from your heart. So there is a science to healing with the mind or prayer or faith healing with hands. The animating force is always scalar energy consciousness.

00:56:17:05 – 00:56:41:13
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And I think what’s happening, I think there will be a way to measure this. It’s it’s evolving, right? And it may happen soon. I mean, the fact that things are evolving so quickly in the scientific community and the ability to measure things and understand things, I think you will I mean, we have devices now that can literally measure your York field around your body, can take a picture of the energy field around your body, whereas before the scientific community didn’t even believe it exists.

00:56:41:13 – 00:57:12:19
Nathan Crane
Oh, it’s just, you know, ancient nonsense from yogis who lived in the mountains. It’s like, nope, they knew that that was real, that your aura was real, and you had energy centers in your body that emanate feet. And even some cases, you know, miles that can be measured. And and they knew this thousands of years ago. And now our modern scientists are actually have created devices that can measure the energy coming off of your body and your auric field as as we now know, as our ancestors have known for thousands of years.

00:57:12:19 – 00:57:20:05
Nathan Crane
So I think the technology will come to deeply understand what’s happening. I think it’s only a matter of time. You know.

00:57:20:19 – 00:57:40:17
Tom Paladino
You know, I would say that a good example then is curling photography. When curling photography, you could see action in or out of some type of a halo around a person. What is that aura? It’s scalar energy so it can be photographed. Scatter energy has been photographed, but to date nobody has a meter to it. Nobody’s been able to measure.

00:57:40:17 – 00:57:48:12
Tom Paladino
I can’t measure. I can’t put a mathematical value. I’ll put it that way. I cannot put a mathematical value just given.

00:57:48:12 – 00:57:56:16
Nathan Crane
Now these devices, do you teach people how to make them? Do you sell them? Like, what are you doing with it other than just treating people?

00:57:57:05 – 00:58:18:12
Tom Paladino
Just treating people. I don’t have the funds to create a laboratory or mass produce. I would not want to mass produce this. Frankly, I don’t want this this invention in the hands of the general public. I don’t know who could be trusted with it. So to be very clear, I’m trying to, if you will, gain an awareness of what a grassroots movement to start.

00:58:19:02 – 00:58:37:00
Tom Paladino
I’m willing to work with people around the world pro bono, as I’ve done throughout various places such as Delhi, India, the HIV clinic in Delhi, India. But I need traction. I need a grassroots effort. That’s the key. That’s the only thing I’m looking to do in the next few years.

00:58:37:00 – 00:58:48:05
Nathan Crane
Okay. So well, to a question and then maybe a support idea is one, what’s the danger of the device? Why don’t you want it in the hands of the public?

00:58:49:08 – 00:59:14:06
Tom Paladino
Well, if we consider that this could be used to harm people, that anything has a double edge, it’s a double edged sword. It can be used as a healing device, but it probably can be used to to interfere with a person, at least psychically. I will not want this in the hands of the general public. I would never mass produce a scared instrument.

00:59:15:11 – 00:59:20:01
Nathan Crane
And and how would you see it being able to, like, disrupt somebody in a negative way?

00:59:21:06 – 00:59:47:10
Tom Paladino
Well, I believe skin energy is that, if you will, a form of brainwaves. Our brainwaves are formed or actually scanner waves. And that’s is how we think. If a thought transcends time and space is scalar wave transcends time and space. So a thought is a scale, a wave, a scale wave. It’s a thought. So if you control the skill of the instrument, you could probably manipulate people psychically with this.

00:59:49:02 – 01:00:05:11
Nathan Crane
Well, brainwaves are I mean, at least how we measure brainwaves today is through electrical measurements, right? Like EEGs, for example. So you’re saying they’re electrical and scalar because you’re saying scalar is not electrical.

01:00:05:22 – 01:00:37:02
Tom Paladino
Yeah, I’m saying that initially all energy initiated to scatter energy will degrade into electricity and magnetism. So the actually the actual flatus of a thought, a thought transcends time and space. So what what energy transcends time and space. It’s scalar energy. Now, those scalar waves in our brain will degrade into electricity, magnetism that can be measured. And I would say a thought in and of itself for creativity is not electricity, it’s scalar.

01:00:37:02 – 01:00:43:02
Nathan Crane
Interesting. So this is some really fascinating theory we’re talking here that.

01:00:44:02 – 01:01:09:24
Tom Paladino
Consider that if a thought transcends time and space, which is consciousness, can you measure consciousness, know, can you measure the lower form of consciousness, which is the degraded form of electricity magnetism? Yes. It’s always been my contention. If you can envision scalar energies, a double helix, and when that double helix breaks down, one arm, so to speak, becomes electricity, the other arm becomes magnetism.

01:01:09:24 – 01:01:31:14
Tom Paladino
They move in a perpendicular fashion. That’s electricity, magnetism, scalar energies, that double helix. So the double helix is uniformity at the end, which is perfection. When you unravel that double helix, you have electricity, magnetism, electricity and magnetism are derivative of skill for energy.

01:01:31:14 – 01:01:47:04
Nathan Crane
So when you say that scalar energy would break down into electricity and magnetism, but it would have to happen immediately if it was a thought. What what do you think would cause it to break down? Like, why would a breakdown why wouldn’t it stay in that form that you’re proposing in the double helix?

01:01:48:01 – 01:02:15:14
Tom Paladino
I believe the center of the star or any our sun is perfect plasma. And that’s what drives the sun in the stars. This double helix, this perfect energy. As soon as that energy leaves the center of the star, what happens? You have a radical shift. That’s why you have solar flares. That’s why you have this disturbance around the corona of the sun nobody’s ever seen directly inside our sun.

01:02:15:24 – 01:02:28:08
Tom Paladino
I’m saying inside our sense of plasma and this spinning, once given energy leaves, that plasma starts to break down and it becomes violent.

01:02:28:08 – 01:02:41:21
Nathan Crane
That’s interesting. So that’s kind of like DNA, for example, that unwinds itself and replicates. You’re kind of modeling that on an energetic level, almost with scalar energy.

01:02:41:21 – 01:03:14:22
Tom Paladino
Yes. And I don’t think it’s any coincidence that our DNA has a long of carbon, a shorten, if you will. The major group is 1.61 times the minor group. So if you could measure DNA, we have it’s in angstroms. It is 1.618 times the length of the miner group, which is the exact proportion of the scalar wave, which has a major group in a minor group, which is 1.618 times the length of the miner group.

01:03:15:21 – 01:03:32:05
Tom Paladino
So embodied in scalar is the Fibonacci sequence. The golden mean. The divine portion embodied in our DNA is likewise that golden mean. The Fibonacci sequence.

01:03:32:05 – 01:03:52:05
Nathan Crane
Interesting. So the second thing I want to share was what if I have a lot of doctors who are in my mastermind group who are good friends with me, who I collaborate with? We have think tanks, we share ideas and that I work with on a daily basis who work with patients with all kinds of pathogens and diseases.

01:03:53:12 – 01:04:19:14
Nathan Crane
What if I could I mean, would you be willing to collaborate with one of the functional medicine doctors? And and actually, do you know, obviously it’s going to be anecdotal but hand like I have a doctor friend who does extensive pathogen testing, virus testing, etc., etc., stool testing. You’re in touch with all of her patients and she has the results already.

01:04:19:14 – 01:04:28:00
Nathan Crane
And then you work with them and then they test again and then start gathering case studies like that. Would you work with doctors doing that immediately?

01:04:28:14 – 01:04:29:09
Tom Paladino
Right away.

01:04:29:09 – 01:05:08:11
Nathan Crane
I’ll connect you to connect you with a few and see a few who are already open to this idea. And many of them are actually and actually have a I have a good friend who’s in Thailand who would probably be really interested. I have another one here in Jacksonville who might be interested and I have to think through who else already understands some level of, you know, the quantum field and would be open to to seeing it would be interesting to know too where if they just said, hey, we’re going to take your picture and just we’ve got a guy, he’s just going to hold it up to a device and and you know, it’s

01:05:08:11 – 01:05:19:01
Nathan Crane
supposed to help, but they don’t tell them like much about it. They get their permission, of course, but like and then really start ruling out as much placebo effect as possible that would be really cool to, you know.

01:05:19:09 – 01:05:41:15
Tom Paladino
Sure. Or many people do this. They send me photographs of their pets, their dogs or cats. And many people say after the 15 day free session that we offered the dog or cat, their health is improved significantly. Well, what happened during those 15 days? The only the only difference is the dog or the cat was treated through their photograph.

01:05:42:03 – 01:05:48:21
Nathan Crane
So you just put the photograph and you don’t even have to have a picture of the bacteria, the use of the virus or something else. You can just hold the picture there.

01:05:49:11 – 01:06:03:20
Tom Paladino
I to be clear, I have 400,000 photographs of different species of microbes. That’s why this works. This is the instruction, the photograph, the microbe, and that all I need is people to submit their photograph to be treated.

01:06:04:05 – 01:06:16:11
Nathan Crane
So my dogs have something going on with their nose and we don’t know what it is yet. They have this. It’s totally like eaten away. Their nose is too horrible. Scabs over. They’ve been dealing with it for a long time.

01:06:16:11 – 01:06:21:21
Tom Paladino
I mean, the photo and all. Let’s see. Take before and after photographs.

01:06:22:05 – 01:06:42:18
Nathan Crane
Okay. I have before photos. I just took some a couple of days ago and they look the same right now. They’re terrible. This would be a cool it would be a really cool case study because I actually have tried just about everything under the sun from supplements to you name it and have had zero success with them changing their diet multiple times every six months.

01:06:44:04 – 01:06:53:13
Nathan Crane
All kinds of salves and all kinds of things and zero success. So if this were the thing that would do it, this is that would be pretty unbelievable.

01:06:54:04 – 01:07:11:07
Tom Paladino
Yeah, it well let’s let’s wait and see. I’ve done this before with dogs that have fungal infection or bacterial infection and I feel sorry for the pet. Send me the photos pronto. Okay. You have them before photographs and watch what happens in 15 days.

01:07:11:07 – 01:07:33:12
Nathan Crane
Well, if this believe me, if. If they if this heals, we’ll get you right back on the podcast and we’ll we’ll do another podcast all about it and go even deeper. Okay? Because it would be true. Really remarkable. But this is fascinating. I mean, I do I’d love to talk to you again in the future. Anyway, I think we’ve covered a lot today already.

01:07:33:12 – 01:07:51:17
Nathan Crane
This has been really interesting. I will definitely reach out to a few doctors I know and see who’s open for collaboration and if any of them are. I will connect to you and I will send you pictures of my dogs. We’ll see what happens, and then we’ll just make sure people follow along so you can find out what the update is.

01:07:51:24 – 01:08:00:17
Nathan Crane
I will update either way once it’s done and let people know what happened and then people want to get in touch with you again. Your website was what.

01:08:01:08 – 01:08:27:04
Tom Paladino
Scalar light dot com please avail yourselves take the opportunity for the 15 day free session. There’s no questions asked. You simply e-mail us your photograph. You can send your entire family with their permission and send you your dogs and cats. Is Nathan is going to send his dogs and then you judge this new science. You judge how you feel now once again, be very clear.

01:08:27:04 – 01:08:40:01
Tom Paladino
This has never been done before. My instruments are unique. My approach is unique. I have to prove this by way of, if you will a ground breaking research, if you will, by way of a grassroots effort.

01:08:43:11 – 01:09:08:14
Nathan Crane
Cool. I’m excited to see what happens. It’s cool to talk to you after five, six years and see you’re still doing the same thing. You’re obviously passionate about it and you wouldn’t be doing it if you didn’t believe it didn’t work. I don’t think obviously. And I mean, unless you’re making $10 million a year from it, which I doubt people sending you photos, I don’t think it’s that profitable of a thing to do.

01:09:08:14 – 01:09:19:20
Nathan Crane
I don’t know. But but now it’s just been fascinating. And yeah, thanks. Thanks for coming on, Tom and I look forward to doing a follow up with you, man.

01:09:20:16 – 01:09:23:03
Tom Paladino
Please. Thank you for your time with us.

01:09:23:23 – 01:09:25:10
Nathan Crane
All right. Take care, everybody.