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00:00:00:01 – 00:00:21:24
Nathan Crane
My guest today is my good friend Jonathan Otto. Johno is a investigative journalist. He’s a humanitarian and he is an incredibly brilliant and heart centered human being who has been on a tear lately researching urine therapy and Jonathan. Welcome to the podcast, brother.

00:00:22:18 – 00:00:29:01
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, thanks, Nathan. It’s wonderful to be here with you. Love you, love your work and grateful that at this moment in time did.

00:00:29:06 – 00:00:51:12
Nathan Crane
I love you as well. And you’ve got me thinking because, you know, I’ve been talking with you kind of behind the scenes about what you’ve been learning and seeing firsthand with you’re in therapy. I have been incredibly reluctant and have not tried it yet, but I got one of the books that you recommended, The Golden Fountain, and have been reading this, been watching some of your interviews.

00:00:51:12 – 00:01:08:05
Nathan Crane
You and I have had conversations. And actually a mutual friend of ours has been now doing the urine therapy for a couple of months at your recommendation. And he tells me it’s like he’s trying to get me on it every day. He’s like, Dude, I have more energy. I’m stronger in the gym. He’s like, I don’t know what’s going on.

00:01:08:06 – 00:01:30:20
Nathan Crane
He’s like, I feel better. He’s he’s been doing it every day. I think it’s two months now going on three months. And basically I told him, which I’m going to tell you and I’m going to tell all of our listeners is I want you to convince me to drink my own pee. By the end of this podcast. So that’s that’s what I’m going for.

00:01:30:20 – 00:01:52:07
Nathan Crane
And I am and I’ll tell you what, as much of a experimenter I am as much of a will try new things open minded guy there’s a big block for me around drinking my own urine and and I know why I’m aware of it as anybody would be who is being told yeah, urine therapy actually might be really good for you.

00:01:52:07 – 00:02:14:23
Nathan Crane
And in fact, it might actually be incredibly healing for you. And some goes, Yeah, right. It sounds like quackery. It sounds insane. Urine has chemicals in it. It’s your waste products. It’s bad for you, right? So you put all that on the table and then I want to do a deep dove with you on this podcast right now and ask you to basically share everything you’ve learned and experienced.

00:02:15:06 – 00:02:33:18
Nathan Crane
And it will back up everything we can with whatever available science we have and and any stories you have. So yeah, I guess, I mean, first question is, dude, what led you to you’re in therapy and why is this become like a big focus for you right now?

00:02:34:18 – 00:02:56:00
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, I appreciate that because it’s not something I thought was going to happen. It’s not something I was looking for. I wasn’t the guy that was thinking, let’s look at weird therapies that shocked people and give people like interesting talking points because that’s going to be really fine. In fact, you know, the suggestion of it, I found it to be quite firstly repulsive.

00:02:56:10 – 00:03:17:18
Jonathan Otto
And secondly, I felt like I was not going to be willing to take the fallout that would come as a result of that. And so it kind of just sounded so bizarre. And, you know, why why poke that bear and confront what everyone thinks is a toxic waste product that is good for nothing? We’re going down the drain.

00:03:17:18 – 00:03:38:22
Jonathan Otto
And so it really was based on an interest on solving a particular problem. And I was trying to work out how to solve this big problem where people have like, you know, I’ll say it in this way. I’ve got a treatment, a medical treatment that they maybe wish they didn’t get something that came out recently, something that maybe was rushed through, you know, so, you know, just read between the lines.

00:03:38:22 – 00:04:00:07
Jonathan Otto
But the point there is they’re, you know, they’re having reactions, lots of documented reactions, things that are like very life threatening and then other things that maybe just make people feel worried or fearful, like, you know, what would be my future? And so on this question, like, how do I solve this problem was actually how I landed at urine therapy.

00:04:00:16 – 00:04:15:12
Jonathan Otto
And and I remember one of the doctors, a good friend of ours, it was Dr. Rashid Mutai. When I would ask him, I’d say, like, is there a way is there a way to solve this problem? The problem that I was just referring to is that there is no way to solve that problem. It’s it’s a genetic issue.

00:04:15:12 – 00:04:40:24
Jonathan Otto
It’s a genetic problem. It’s a it’s there’s no way to solve it. And I would never air that content because I felt like that that’s not that can’t be true. Firstly, to that is very discouraging for people. I’m just not willing to put that content out there. Like that’s the only time you’ll see me you censorship if that if I’m going to release some information that gives people zero hope, it must be false or or I just I’m not willing to do it.

00:04:40:24 – 00:05:01:17
Nathan Crane
And I just I got to say, I’m the same way when it comes to health and healing and natural health. Like, I always believe there’s a solution. I always believe there’s hope. I always believe it doesn’t mean there’s a guarantee, but I always believe I mean, we see miraculous healings all the time, right? With, you know, they call them spontaneous remissions, things like that.

00:05:01:17 – 00:05:21:00
Nathan Crane
And most of those are what I call intentional remissions, people who change specific things, diet and lifestyle, prayer and meditation and exercise, and then their disease goes away. I call that intentional, not spontaneous, but there are cases of where there were there was no hope there sent home to die. You know, three months left to live is not something to do for you.

00:05:21:00 – 00:05:45:07
Nathan Crane
And here they are 12 years later, still living and thriving because they never accepted that, oh, there’s nothing you can do. So I’m 100% on the same page with you. I mean, anybody ever said, Oh, I’m sorry, there’s nothing you can do. It’s like, I would never accept that because I think if you if you look hard enough and, you know, there are solutions, maybe you just don’t know about them yet.

00:05:45:07 – 00:06:04:11
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, you got it. That’s that’s the way to think about it. And that’s how I thought about this. And that’s how I thought about what, what he was saying. But his honesty was that candor was something that was important versus like people just kind of drumming up something that doesn’t actually work, which I see that happening perhaps with good intentions.

00:06:04:11 – 00:06:25:20
Jonathan Otto
But then this, this really started to open the the the lid on this when he he called me out of the blue and said, look, there’s an answer to this. It’s you’re in therapy and you’re in therapy. I hadn’t really heard of those two words going together, you know, urine, a waste product and therapy as those things don’t seem to make sense.

00:06:25:20 – 00:06:50:21
Jonathan Otto
Like what what is is that and and then I’m thinking then this guy is like exaggerating. He’s just like on a mission to like, just choke people is something like, what is what is he saying to me right now? Part of me was just kind of just taking that anything. Okay, but but what is this about? And Dr. Ed Group is a friend and he wasn’t like we weren’t super close at that point, but he was speaking at an event.

00:06:50:21 – 00:07:14:17
Jonathan Otto
And between what Dr. Whiteside shared with me and what Dr. Ed Group had shared with me in an interview, because I just like I, there was a not there was a there’s an immediate enough reaction for me to then say I should not shut this down and I should ask more questions. And like, so which is actually how I noticed you respond to me of like you know, we’re in social settings.

00:07:14:17 – 00:07:40:13
Jonathan Otto
Everyone’s kind of having a laugh at me and, and I’m just like willing kind of to take it because I’m like, well, that’s that’s where, where this conversation is going to start with everyone laughing at me. But like, it may end in a bunch of people putting cancer into remission. Like, that’s where that story may end, but it’s going to start with we’re somewhere and like and I’ll explain why I believe that could result in that result.

00:07:40:20 – 00:08:06:00
Nathan Crane
I want to say. Right, I mean that that level of awareness you have and commitment to finding the truth is something I admire about you. And I remember actually now you mention it. I remember that night we were in San Diego, we were at some networking events and, you know, health masterminds and stuff like that. And we went out for it was like at a nightclub party or something, you and I, probably two of the only sober guys there in the in the nightclub.

00:08:06:10 – 00:08:20:06
Nathan Crane
And I remember you you started you were talking with somebody about I think I overheard and I was like, wait, what are you talking about? You’re like, you kind of like I think you kind of took a second and you’re like, Do I tell him? How do I tell him? Like, you know?

00:08:20:19 – 00:08:21:13
Nathan Crane
And then you just.

00:08:21:19 – 00:08:36:18
Nathan Crane
And then you just went off about you weren’t there in the music so loud, you know, and the lights are flashing. And here we are, like, in the corner. And you’re like, telling me all this, you know, crazy stuff about you’re in therapy, and I’m just I’m totally take him back and I’m like, You’re crazy. Tell me more.

00:08:36:18 – 00:08:54:05
Nathan Crane
You know, like, that sounds insane. Why would you ever do that? But why? Why? And then I start asking you 100 questions, right? Because same thing. Like, I might be taken back by something, I might be thrown off by it. I might think that sounds insane, but I’m not going to throw it out right away until I understand at a deeper level.

00:08:54:05 – 00:09:19:20
Nathan Crane
And, and I look at you and I’m like, this guy’s really smart. He’s is an incredible investigative journalist. He’s produced some of the top health natural health documentary series on the planet and has reached and helped millions of people, you know? And he deeply cares about helping people. Like he wouldn’t just come up with this out of nowhere and without any real backing behind it, you know?

00:09:19:20 – 00:09:32:01
Nathan Crane
So that’s also because I know you. I think that’s why I, you know, was more interested, like, tell me more, tell me more, tell me more. But that was probably a couple of years ago. Now it seems like two or three years ago maybe, right?

00:09:32:02 – 00:09:42:03
Jonathan Otto
No, I’m not even that many. It was not like it may have been just a single year ago. Oh, really? Given that I think it was at Trafficking Emergency Summit last year, I think it was.

00:09:42:03 – 00:09:45:22
Nathan Crane
Like was it last year? Not last year or the year before? No, no, no.

00:09:45:22 – 00:09:51:12
Jonathan Otto
It must have been the year before. So it was two years, two years ago. Exactly. Then. Yeah, two years ago. Exactly.

00:09:51:23 – 00:10:14:06
Nathan Crane
So some of the things you started telling me then, I think you have you’ve learned more about it, right. And what I want. Okay, so go ahead and continue. I mean, I think the fact that you said I just want to reiterate what you said. People are going to be laughing at you first, but it may end up turning into something later on that, you know, people are incredibly grateful for it.

00:10:15:01 – 00:10:37:05
Jonathan Otto
Exactly. And and maybe. Yeah, the all the people that are laughing at me and maybe that’s maybe I will not even see an immediate effect from all that work or even a long term effect, but like the ripple effect of what that net result will be, regardless of whether I see it or not, I feel it’s it. It’ll, it’ll happen.

00:10:37:05 – 00:11:01:06
Jonathan Otto
I just believe that based on the fact that there is something here that that is true and I can’t deny and truth is, is an unstoppable force. There’s nothing like it doesn’t matter if the whole world is like belly laughing at something. If it’s true, it’s going to come back to you. And there’s just nothing you can do to kind of unwind it or laugh it away or market into oblivion.

00:11:01:06 – 00:11:33:18
Jonathan Otto
It’s just not going to happen because know life and mortality is something that you can’t run from. And, you know, if you’re sick and you are suffering, like, you know, just look at the statistics in the world and see how much people are suffering. Suffering from chronic disease and cancer, which we’re going to be talking about. And so, you know, if somebody is listening to this at this point, like keep listening, because if we don’t have an open mind like the just what is in our future is actually just just complete suffering.

00:11:33:18 – 00:11:57:15
Jonathan Otto
There’s really no real hope out of sight of us having an open mind, because what’s happening in the world is it like the escalation of chronic disease is unprecedented? And I think that Pandora’s Box has absolutely been opened. And so it will like there is there is no security in trying to be safe or stick to your guns like you have to be open minded.

00:11:57:15 – 00:12:14:10
Jonathan Otto
It may not be this, it may be something else. If you are not, you will you’re in huge trouble. So that’s that’s that that point. But Nathan, just coming back to this, you know, finishing that story with Dr. Patel, he had kind of loaded a bullet there for me for something that that then set me on a trajectory.

00:12:14:10 – 00:12:39:22
Jonathan Otto
And I felt like and continually feel grateful to him for helping open my mind. And I appreciated his fearlessness. And that was the one thing that for him, he for me, he was a mentor to me and that he he taught me continue to teach me fearlessness. And I because he’s a late friend, he passed about a year ago now and his memory is like very strong in my mind based on that that unstoppable force that he was a bit.

00:12:39:22 – 00:13:10:02
Jonathan Otto
But, you know, coming full circle, we’re going to talk about some of the things that are happening now, even some of these world leading leading cancer therapy centers that are the ones that are reaching out and asking for help and support and information because they’re seeing so much credibility and they’re seeing that the science does stand for something like, let’s say earlier this week, I had a Nobel Prize nominee reach out and ask for help for one of the doctors that works in his clinic.

00:13:10:02 – 00:13:33:12
Jonathan Otto
And so they’re both medical doctors says, can you please help this friend? So these are the things that are happening, like very prominent people, world leading people that are actually the heads of some of these like places that you would go to if you had cancer. And so even though, you know, people. Yeah. Like may not perceive the value in this, start seeing the value because other people that you look up to and respect see this as a valuable conversation.

00:13:33:24 – 00:14:03:06
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s beautiful. I know a mutual friend and colleague of ours who’s very well-respected, runs some highly regarded cancer clinics. Is is talking with you about, you know, bringing more of the urine therapy into the clinics to support the patients. And so I know that’s an ongoing thing that you’re working on, but that’s fascinating. That’s fascinating. And it shows that there is some merit in what you’re talking about, at least for for further exploration.

00:14:03:12 – 00:14:05:06
Nathan Crane
So with.

00:14:05:06 – 00:14:22:14
Nathan Crane
That, you know, the thing that I think has hit me the most about what what I’ve heard you say about your in therapy is is the child in the womb right. Can you talk about that? Because I after I heard you say, I was like, oh, I didn’t know that. And then I looked it up in research. I was like, oh, it’s 100% accurate.

00:14:22:14 – 00:14:38:00
Nathan Crane
It’s well documented, well understood, biologic clear. I just didn’t know it. And I wonder how many millions of other people don’t know it, but I think that was kind of a big eye opener for me to help me to start seeing things like, Oh, actually, maybe this is not as crazy as we’ve been led to believe.

00:14:38:19 – 00:15:10:12
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, you got it. You got it. Yeah. This this is the great place to kind of start and and end their conversation. This is this is the place where I believe the conversation is won or lost. And if if there’s any debate to be had, this is what it should be over and almost nothing else. Because if this is if this is in biology, you’ve now the burden of proof is on somebody trying to discredit either me or the practice of your in therapy, because you now have to try and work out why.

00:15:11:01 – 00:15:33:11
Jonathan Otto
And we’ll talk about this. A baby does your therapy every day of its life, and I’ll talk about that at what level and how much and why we shouldn’t like you have to explain to me why that where that transition happened and now it has to come down to biology as well. You have to explain to me why the biology of a baby is different, like how their kidneys operate differently to an adult’s.

00:15:33:12 – 00:15:41:19
Jonathan Otto
Kidneys. And now the attempt at explaining that a baby somehow doesn’t have any toxins in it is true or false.

00:15:41:19 – 00:16:12:24
Nathan Crane
Nathan Oh, we know for a fact that, you know, the, the, through the EWG studies that babies are being completely intoxicated by the chemicals that are passing through the, the mother’s umbilical cord into the baby. Hundreds of toxic chemicals, carcinogens, endocrine disruptors, scientists used to believe in a lot of people I found out I still believe today that the the cord is supposed to protect the baby from the toxins that are inside the mother.

00:16:12:24 – 00:16:38:10
Nathan Crane
But that was really well documented and studied in the last couple of decades where they found that, no, those chemicals are in the cord blood and they’re passing into the babies. So unfortunately, no, these chemicals that we’re exposed to are actually passing into the baby which talk about this will make more sense as you talk about, you know, what’s happening in the womb, in utero with the baby.

00:16:39:07 – 00:17:12:11
Jonathan Otto
Absolutely. And so what’s amazing about this is what is the baby? The way it solves this problem is actually through its urine. And there is no other way to explain this as far as I’m concerned, because there is no other action of what the baby is doing. So what happens in the womb is around the 8 to 10 week mark is when the fluid switches from the mother’s fluid to the baby’s fluid and it becomes more so like by the third trimester is when it’s entirely the baby’s urine and the baby is you’re urinating at higher intervals and drinking at higher intervals.

00:17:12:11 – 00:17:40:22
Jonathan Otto
But but it all starts, you know, from the beginning of when the baby forms. It’s, you know, kidneys and and then what is happening with the urine? Urine is referred to as amniotic fluid. And they they technically categorize slightly differently. But they you know, then you look at what is the make up of any ionic fluid. And estimates range typically around 90, even up to 95% or more of what.

00:17:40:22 – 00:18:02:10
Jonathan Otto
And the only fluid is is simply the baby’s urine. And so then the other parts of that would be even including fecal microbial matter, even though the baby’s not doing bowel movements, the meconium is blocking that. There’s like small particles that are circulating, which is very interesting as well, because you look at the science behind fecal microbial transplant.

00:18:02:17 – 00:18:22:04
Jonathan Otto
And yet that is something that I’m saying that people should be very careful about. And a lot of people, it’s they certainly shouldn’t do their own, whereas in the womb you find the example of the baby is readily and abundantly doing its own urine. And in these very high intervals it’s hundreds of milliliters per day that it’s drinking.

00:18:22:09 – 00:18:42:13
Jonathan Otto
And that 1 to 3 hour interval is is typically the frequency at which it’s urinating. And if you saw this on an ultrasound, you’d watch it happen of not only the baby urinating, but the baby drinking its urine. And if you saw that, you’d have to ask yourself the question, am I am I being lied to? Have I been lied to about what this substance, substance actually is?

00:18:42:24 – 00:19:04:09
Jonathan Otto
And then when the baby comes out and it’s absolute perfection and I know that a lot of babies have complications, but the the the design of what’s happening there in the womb is just this masterpiece. And you look at the fluid cysts that actually can frequently get formed in the brain in the third trimester and bright spots in the heart.

00:19:05:03 – 00:19:23:11
Jonathan Otto
These are these would be terminal conditions. And how is it that they resolved themselves in the womb? What is happening? And there are many processes that are happening when babies are born, but the only actual activity besides is like this slight movement of limbs, which we could call that like a little bit of exercise, but certainly not cardio.

00:19:24:03 – 00:19:42:08
Jonathan Otto
But it’s a you know, it’s not a it’s not a high interval training. The baby’s just like getting a little bit of movement there. But the actual action of what it’s doing is just drinking urine. That’s the only action of what it’s doing. And and then when you start to understand what are these metabolites? So urine has thousands of metabolites.

00:19:42:15 – 00:20:13:19
Jonathan Otto
So if you go to a website like Urine Metabolome dot C, a Canadian website, it will tell you all the compounds and metabolites that have been documented in urine and there’s 5000 655,661 documented. You can fact check your 68 and and it’s going to it’s going to evolve as well. You’ll find more being identified because what the body does is it gives you a metabolic version of whatever that compound is in your body.

00:20:13:19 – 00:20:35:10
Jonathan Otto
And so it’s going to firstly give you everything in the positive. It give you all your neurotransmitters, all these neurochemicals, and it will give you all your hormones, which is why your friend is talking about our friend is talking about his gains at the gym. He’s like, Hold on, why is this better than steroids? Because he’s done like testosterone and which would cost in the steroid category.

00:20:35:10 – 00:20:37:11
Jonathan Otto
Why is this actually better than this? It’s like, well.

00:20:37:11 – 00:20:57:12
Nathan Crane
He told me he’s so he’s in his forties now and he he took he told me he took, you know, some form of steroids when he was younger, I think, in his early twenties. And then, you know, 20 years without them. And he said now he’s been on urine therapy for like two months. He’s like, I feel like I’m on steroids at the gym.

00:20:57:15 – 00:21:15:15
Nathan Crane
I was like, Really? Yeah. So I’m curious. Like, I’m curious if there’s any research and evidence that we could get into this later. And I told him to test his testosterone because he has tests from before or before he started urine therapy. I said, I want, you know, get your testosterone tests. I want to see if it’s gone up since you’ve been doing urine therapy.

00:21:15:15 – 00:21:33:18
Nathan Crane
I wonder if it affects your testosterone. But before we get too deep down the weeds here, I want to I want to just back up what you said, because this is a I think it’s a big first. It was a first for me, and I’ve shared it with others. And so I know it’s a first for a lot of people, too.

00:21:33:18 – 00:22:01:08
Nathan Crane
I just want to go back to what you said, because it’s so huge. I mean, this is in the peer reviewed literature. This is really clear for scientists who study this exactly what you just said. Late gestation at ten weeks, the fetus begins to produce urine, which is secreted into the amniotic sac during the late gestation. The second third trimesters as amniotic fluid expands, fetal urine becomes the largest source of the amniotic fluid.

00:22:01:08 – 00:22:27:07
Nathan Crane
So basically the main I think you said like up to 90% or so, what they’re breathing and right here, long secretions, gastrointestinal secretions, excretions from the umbilical cord and placental service contribute the composition of amniotic fluid as well. It talks about exactly how they’re breathing in and basically drinking in their own urine from pretty much ten weeks on.

00:22:27:07 – 00:22:57:06
Nathan Crane
Right. And I saw it right here where it literally says that. But yeah, they’re they’re they’re not just living in it in addition to can’t circulation amniotic fluid through inhalation and exhalation, there must be a balance between fluid formation and elimination. Formation originates from fetal urine and lung secretions. However, elimination, which is important for balance and homeostasis, is largely the result of fetal swallowing and interim membrane is absorption.

00:22:57:23 – 00:23:28:02
Nathan Crane
They’re literally not just swimming in their own urine, they’re breathing it in and drinking it in 24 seven after ten weeks old, which is very interesting. And then what they also say, like right here, amniotic fluid is less vicious and it’s 98% water, which is basically urine. Right. The water with electrolytes and signaling molecules, which is what you were talking about roughly of like the metabolites that have been discovered.

00:23:28:02 – 00:23:52:01
Nathan Crane
Right. These are signaling molecules, peptides, carbohydrates, lipids and hormones that make up the other 2%. So they’re literally getting from their urine, electrolytes, signaling molecules, peptides, carbohydrates, lipids and hormones. So you were just talking about signaling molecules and what they do. And yeah, let’s spend a little more time there because I think that’s so interesting.

00:23:52:17 – 00:24:27:18
Jonathan Otto
It’s it is amazing to think about like how babies survive in the womb. Not only have you been absolutely lied to, that urine is the place where your body eliminates that that waste. Because if that were true, what would happen in the womb? 287 chemicals on average going through the umbilical cord, around 120 of those proven to cause cancer, including all the big hitters that, like the multibillion dollar lawsuits, are against, like quick judges, a rate ruling in favor of the injured parties, people, some some parties getting awarded hundreds of millions of dollars due to these these injuries in most cases, like much smaller amounts.

00:24:27:18 – 00:24:55:07
Jonathan Otto
But collectively, Monsanto has 11 billion in and one lawsuits against them. This glyphosate that that was won over this is absolutely showing up in the umbilical cords. And so how does the baby survive this if the urine is where it dumps it out? Because what’s going to happen? What it turns it back in then. Now it compresses that further and gives even a more heavy concentration of the chemical toxin waste.

00:24:55:15 – 00:25:16:14
Jonathan Otto
Does it again? Does it again? And could you imagine what would happen now when the baby opens its eyes in the urine that it just like you put out? It would it would it would kill. It would eat away. It’s that I add its eyes. It would it would it would destroy its skin. Everything about what you’ve been told is not only false, the reverse is true.

00:25:16:17 – 00:25:35:11
Jonathan Otto
So those compounds that are showing up as signaling molecules as you’re referring to, which is a huge confusion piece, which comes in through two different ways. One is because we have been lied to intentionally about urine, and urine is getting sold back to us. And this is the big scam, the big lie that’s going on. And and then people like me are getting mocked.

00:25:35:11 – 00:26:12:17
Jonathan Otto
And even like the talk show hosts that are promoting these experimental other medical treatments that are making big companies profit exponentially, they are funding these things. And then people like me that are sharing these types of things are like often the ones that get mocked on these things because there is a is a natural design, because the therapeutic value of what your body offers you has its own compound pharmacy in the mechanism I’m talking about is the biggest threat to that system because you don’t need them when you understand this, generally speaking, you know, there’s there becomes fewer and fewer things you will need them for.

00:26:12:24 – 00:26:35:07
Jonathan Otto
And this is why it’s a huge threat and why we should always kind of watch our watch ourselves and make sure we’re flawless with the information that we’re communicating. But like this metabolite system, the way it works is that it’ll give you a print of like, just imagine like a 3D printer and water holding memory. So it’s giving you a scan of your whole body.

00:26:35:15 – 00:27:01:04
Jonathan Otto
And as the blood is getting compressed and filtered through the nephrons, these tiny tubes that it’s being pressed through to create a filtrate, a purified version of that blood, which is what we refer to as urine, which is medical name is plasma ultra filtrate, which is plasma blood, ultra, ultra filtrate, filtered, ultra filtered blood. So your blood is being filtered.

00:27:01:04 – 00:27:29:19
Jonathan Otto
And this is why urine is sterile. Those that argue against it would still at least say that it’s sterile like. And certainly all people would say it’s more sterile than the blood. So what does that mean? Everyone is firstly arguing against that. People doing urine therapy should all be 100% vegetarians because why would you consume unfiltered blood by eating an animal and not consume your filtered blood, which is your urine, because it’s more sterile than your blood?

00:27:30:15 – 00:27:32:22
Jonathan Otto
And that’s the process that is going through.

00:27:33:05 – 00:28:14:04
Nathan Crane
It’s an interesting thought experiment. So if you’re saying that urine is bad for you because it’s a waste product, right? But we know that the blood actually accumulates the toxins and chemicals and heavy metals and all the toxins and chemicals that you’re worried about from your urine. And the blood is not filtered yet. When you eat, you know, a fresh cut of beef, for example, and all the red blood that has not necessarily been filtered like your urine has, because the urine goes through an ultra filtration process, through the kidneys and so forth before it gets into the bladder and released.

00:28:14:04 – 00:28:20:01
Nathan Crane
Right. So you’re actually saying that urine is cleaner than the blood you’re eating from from animals.

00:28:20:16 – 00:28:52:05
Jonathan Otto
A million times? Like there’s just no comparison. It’s safe enough for a baby to live in for nine months. And so, you know, eight months plus, you know, around there. And and that unfiltered blood certainly would not be a safe environment for a baby to live in. There’s a reason why God to create our life the mystery of somehow the allege or apparent intelligent design that goes on there and like how the masterpiece of life.

00:28:52:21 – 00:29:06:01
Jonathan Otto
Clearly there’s this information that it’s showing us. There’s something very safe about this substance. And not only safe is that the baby comes out and you touch his skin and it’s just like there’s nothing better than that. Like there’s there’s no improvement. And this is why, you know, a video.

00:29:06:01 – 00:29:11:24
Nathan Crane
Saw a soft as a baby’s born soft as a baby’s bottom. Right. Soft as baby’s skin. And I think it’s a saying, you know.

00:29:12:21 – 00:29:37:10
Jonathan Otto
Exactly. It came out of you and it easily goes back into you. And that’s the interesting part about how urine works with the skin, because it is it’s a filtration of your blood. And it’s and it’s but it’s water. And and so what’s happening is your body can easily absorb that. And absorption is really the issue because if you could just put water on your skin, then you would have a moisturizer.

00:29:37:17 – 00:29:56:11
Jonathan Otto
But it’s not actually easily absorbed in the body. The same is true with water going in your body and dehydration and diseases so deeply connected and you know, dead water is is a real thing. And I can 100% tell you that urine is living water. Why? Because it has stem cells in it and it’s actually filled with stem cells.

00:29:57:06 – 00:30:15:05
Jonathan Otto
And that that will be a shock to people. And I’ll like close the loop on the worm here, but pardon the pun. But the the metabolites as self signaling, causing the baby to remove the metals and the toxins and the chemicals and and that’s like.

00:30:15:19 – 00:30:37:03
Nathan Crane
Now is there evidence of that? And I just want clarify what you’re saying is because the baby’s drinking in the urine and there may be heavy metals in that urine that they’ve absorbed in from their mother, for example, then the body processes, it, filters it. There’s metabolites of those toxins in the urine and it drinks it back in.

00:30:37:03 – 00:30:48:20
Nathan Crane
And you’re saying by drinking it back in, that’s actually signaling the body to find more of those heavy metals or whatever toxins are there and continue to remove them from the body. That’s what you’re.

00:30:49:01 – 00:30:49:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah, exactly.

00:30:49:24 – 00:31:14:03
Jonathan Otto
But and the mystery of this is also like well, like they they clearly not doing all the detoxification processes that we do, like, you know, bowel movements being one and even sweating and things like this. But the the self-soothing feeling like in the evidence, if you look at human case studies, there are examples, many examples where people will do urine therapy.

00:31:14:03 – 00:31:38:10
Jonathan Otto
And one one of the most fascinating aspects firstly is that if somebody is mercury poisoned is one example, you’d expect them to have high amounts of mercury in their urine, especially because it’s understood that that’s how the the person is detoxifying themselves. But the reality is that they actually have infinitesimal amounts of mercury, actually what would be regarded as safe levels of mercury, which is surprising to know that that they they have very low levels.

00:31:38:18 – 00:32:04:08
Jonathan Otto
That’s that’s a strange aspect. But but there’s a reading there and it scores like accurately as as the compound of in this case, mercury or another toxic chemical, as an example. But when the people then take the the urine orally as one example, then their mercury levels go down. That would be an example of how it’s used to self signal to remove the toxins as a sole therapy.

00:32:04:08 – 00:32:05:21
Jonathan Otto
So that’s that’s one example.

00:32:06:03 – 00:32:24:06
Nathan Crane
But now when you say sorry, stay on that, when you say that’s one. Yeah, yeah, that’s good. Is that is that a person who told you that? Is this a published case study? Somewhere I can look at? Is this is there multiple publications on this that have shown that mechanism of action?

00:32:24:06 – 00:32:50:01
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, there’s there are published findings on this. The and then Doctor Ed Group has cited some of these to me. So he’s one to also follow up. But I’ve read some of the published work on that. But it’s something that I would I’m glad you zero in on it because if we can prove this point, then that that’s like where a lot of this kind of challenge could get solved, essentially.

00:32:51:01 – 00:32:56:16
Nathan Crane
But yeah, go ahead and continue and I’ll, I’ll see if I could what I can find while you’re talking as well.

00:32:56:16 – 00:32:57:03
Jonathan Otto
But yeah.

00:32:57:13 – 00:33:31:17
Nathan Crane
No, that’s I mean, if that’s true, that’s incredible. Right. Like literally we have a self detoxifying mechanism within us at our fingertips, literally at the tips of our, you know, parts of our bodies that we can take back in and tell our bodies, hey, basically let’s get rid of the metabolites that we don’t need that are destroying our body, harming our body, and causing chronic inflammation leading to chronic diseases like cancer, etc..

00:33:33:01 – 00:33:46:14
Nathan Crane
And I know there’s a lot more we can talk about. Obviously, you know that this has been used for thousands of years from different cultures. There are actually case studies out there of doctors using this for cancer patients as well. We can get into some of that.

00:33:46:14 – 00:33:48:17
Jonathan Otto
But yes.

00:33:48:24 – 00:33:50:18
Nathan Crane
You were going to you were going to kind of close the.

00:33:50:18 – 00:34:11:12
Jonathan Otto
Group, I think and I think that is the perfect point from like where I was going to go with that. And there is some things where I would like wish that to be a bigger body of information on. Right. But certainly for me, there is more than enough to to find this to be completely safe and and extraordinarily effective.

00:34:11:18 – 00:34:40:02
Jonathan Otto
But so so Nathan, the thing here with cancer is that there are many documented case studies on cancer being put into remission and to be reversed in all different types of cancer and and also accumulation of case studies put together and put before symposiums like massively peer reviewed and even published in British. Like I’ll give an example of one that was published in the British Medical Journal.

00:34:40:02 – 00:35:17:22
Jonathan Otto
Okay. And so this is a really important one because it’s a 12 year study and it was 300 physicians that were behind the study. So is that are you listening? You know what, I mean, like, that’s a if someone is not listening to a 12 year study that concludes specifically and is published in the British Medical Journal that the H 11, which is a urine extract, effectively stops the progression of cancer, then I don’t know what it would take for people when, when they actually put together thousands of laboratory findings and hundreds of human case studies and conducted that safely and effectively over a period of 12 years.

00:35:18:07 – 00:35:39:17
Jonathan Otto
And so then, you know, to come back to the point that I was making is that this will show you signs of what I’m saying is true, where it is reducing. In this case, the marker isn’t like a toxin or a heavy metal. Specifically, it’s cancer. It’s an unwanted growth in the body, and it’s the presence of aberrant cells that are not forming into proper normal cells.

00:35:39:17 – 00:36:00:10
Jonathan Otto
It’s it’s a tumor. It’s a growth. And and then the consumption of urine in this case, this this example is an example of injection. But whether it’s oral or injection or enema, in all cases, it’s getting into the body. And the presence of this substance is causing, in this case, a remission or a stopping of the progression of cancer.

00:36:00:10 – 00:36:19:21
Jonathan Otto
It’s actually stopping that cancer from continuing to form. And the all different studies, many published and very reputable sources were showing not only the stopping of the progression of cancer, but cancer being put into remission. So and so they want to talk about that a Yeah.

00:36:19:22 – 00:36:24:19
Nathan Crane
Do you have any of the studies you can, you can pull up and share, we can take a look at together.

00:36:25:14 – 00:36:51:03
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, I’d love to. And the, this is a, this is exciting. I was just going over this the other day with a mutual friend up there. Tony Jimenez is excited about it and found it really a really interesting case. And mind you, speaking of somebody that has practiced, you’re in therapy in a different way, like he’s been doing an extraction process.

00:36:51:03 – 00:37:18:02
Jonathan Otto
You’re familiar with it for. Yeah. So he’s been doing for the past a about 20 years. It’s called R Soter, which is a urine extraction. And and so to my shock, when when I was explaining to him things that I’d found, he’s like jaw dropping is like, hold on a second. There’s, there’s, there’s more in this. Like, I’ve, I’ve been looking at this part of urine, but this part of urine is where it’s at.

00:37:18:02 – 00:37:48:15
Jonathan Otto
And, and so then I’m getting like and then I get on another call and he’s got both of his he’s got all of his medical staff just all churning and I’m like, okay. So he said these facts, his these facts. And I’m like, but he but but it it’s amazing because he’s been doing it for 20 years. The method that he uses called R sota, which is autologous, which means healing arising from one’s own cells and tissues react sorry, autologous receptor specific oncogenic target acquisition.

00:37:49:03 – 00:38:30:24
Jonathan Otto
So like just kind of put the words together autologous meaning healing arising from yourself receptor. So you’re looking at like the, the communication between your body is like a lock key and lock with something and then you’ve got specific. So you’re, you’re using like antigens specifically from your urine. So you’re not carpet bombing cancer with chemo and the whole body, you’re actually looking at tools that are giving you specific information so the body can recognize self and non-self and oncogenic cancer target acquisition.

00:38:30:24 – 00:38:58:23
Jonathan Otto
So to to target and specifically lock on and to help identify that cancer for the body to do one or two things, kill the cancer or help the cancer cell to regulate it. And so normally a normal healthy cell, which is referred to as D differentiate T differentiation therapy, which is again really interesting, but urine actually has all the key components that it takes to get a cancer stem cell to form a healthy stem cell.

00:38:58:23 – 00:39:36:21
Jonathan Otto
This is from the University of Chicago. You love this information. When I say that, I’m just talking specifically, if you research and you find, well, what is it that a cancer stem cell lacks? And when I say cancer stem cell, a lot of people aren’t used to hearing that. So, Nathan, you’re you’re in the familiar these cells that are responsible for the like, let’s say the genesis and the directing and the progression of cancer all lives with not the daughter cells, which are what are killed by chemo, but with the stem cells or mother cells which are not killed by chemo but are killed by other drugs that are documented to do so, like metformin

00:39:37:04 – 00:40:04:21
Jonathan Otto
and that. And then Bendigo and the compounds like a human and so you know they have published studies showing that they can do that but, but the question is a cancer stem cell is one step away from just being a stem cell that would have differentiated into a normal, healthy, healthy cell. And so what stopped it from doing that and those two things, one is cytokines and the other one is hormones that the two things that a cell needs to mature to become a normal healthy cell and learn things that are important.

00:40:04:21 – 00:40:34:06
Jonathan Otto
For example, apoptosis, the ability to to self program its own death and to to like know when it’s needed and not, versus to tap into unlimited telomerase where it just doesn’t stop replicating and doesn’t and like acts as though it’s immortal, which is what telomerase is all about. And so the things that it needs is these, these ingredients, hormones and specifically the cytokines, which is, which is secretions from cells.

00:40:34:14 – 00:40:58:23
Jonathan Otto
But they are actually highly present in urine hormones like your whole hormone profiles and urine and, and then interleukins and other cytokines, they’re in urine. And because basically everything that’s in your blood, you’ve got a metabolic print of it in your urine, but a high concentration of the compounds that work as antibodies. And so you have concentrations of these, which is why people think that urine is a elimination method.

00:40:58:23 – 00:41:30:11
Jonathan Otto
But it’s actually it’s the method way where your body’s giving you antibodies, antidotes, antivenom and toxins. And there’s more things to prove that. But I can that’s like kind of that’s why a lot of folk medicine comes in where people remember, you know, peeing on the jellyfish sting because your body then concentrating. It’s it’s antibody approach and giving you the compounds and metabolites it needs to self signal with because your bladder has all information about that specific sting.

00:41:30:11 – 00:41:56:17
Jonathan Otto
And so it’s it’s extremely unique and effective. But the the stem cells is the other that’s needed to help healthy stem cell cancer cells become normal healthy cells because stem cells are well, they’re used in the University of Chicago has talked about how these mechanisms are like really interesting because what happens is when a stem cell goes into the body, it actually stick to tumors.

00:41:57:00 – 00:42:17:22
Jonathan Otto
And because of this, cancer therapies are now developing ways to attach chemo, drugs and other drugs to stem cells so that they’ll go and attach it to the cancer cell and like be like a Trojan horse and then, like, blow it up, like, you know, let’s go trick him. But like, the amazing thing is that but the other side of that is the maturation of the cell.

00:42:17:22 – 00:42:38:01
Jonathan Otto
And you’ve got all the ingredients all within urine and you’ve got the stem cells, the hormones and the cytokines. So you have the ability to then attract towards the cancer cell and then the ability to educate the cancer cells. Now, that being said, I will tell you this. Do I have proof, like with a microscope that this is like, you know, urine goes in and then it just targets.

00:42:38:01 – 00:43:05:24
Jonathan Otto
And then we do this like, I don’t have proof on that. I have a lot of like different points of proof that help this picture to be very clearly formed in my mind, like in 1966, in Atlantic City, in New Jersey, the two researchers that without fail this was published and and and and a credible source where every time they put the cancer cells together with the urine extract, which in this case was they called it direct.

00:43:05:24 – 00:43:34:02
Jonathan Otto
And because what it would do is it would cause the cancer to assemble itself into straight in straight and arrows. And they there was never a time when it wouldn’t do this in their experiments. These are two researches and published in 1966. So like you see these different things and you see intelligence and you see that it’s clearly instructing and that gives you all this kind of wisdom and clarity on, okay, this, this makes sense why it why it’s chose the history that it worked.

00:43:34:12 – 00:43:36:20
Jonathan Otto
He looks like the mechanism of why it’s working.

00:43:38:04 – 00:44:09:08
Nathan Crane
So going back to some of the things that are presently in urine that may be beneficial for our bodies that you’re talking about is one these these metabolites is signaling chemicals. If will that tell our body, you know, detox this hill, this whatever hormones that may be beneficial for us that our body needs and stem cells, that our urine actually has stem cells and stem cells is the big craze right now.

00:44:09:08 – 00:44:35:07
Nathan Crane
You have an injury, you’ve got a you know, a tendon that won’t heal or you’ve got, you know, there are people using stem cells for just about everything now. And you’re saying and we know actually that our urine has stem cells in it. But what you’re saying is that the stem cells in our urine can benefit us by drinking it, putting it back into our body.

00:44:36:06 – 00:44:36:24
Jonathan Otto
Absolutely.

00:44:37:20 – 00:44:58:03
Nathan Crane
Now, are those stem cells any different than when you go get stem cell therapy? They take some stem cell therapy, as you know. They’ll take your fat and then they’ll extract the stem cells from your fat and then they’ll inject that back into your body. Is there any difference between those stem cells and stem cells in our urine?

00:44:58:22 – 00:45:26:03
Jonathan Otto
There are there are slight differences and. Okay, so. And then which is best, right. And certainly which one’s painless? The one where there’s no like extraction method, like bone marrow, sadly painful, still awesome and effective. So are they. You’re in the right stem cell is categorized as it’s in the category of Amazon.com animal stem cell. It’s its own category, just like bone marrow derived stem cell.

00:45:26:03 – 00:45:48:23
Jonathan Otto
But they but they all undifferentiated cells and it’s not a pluripotent cell employee potent cell like you don’t they don’t naturally they they occur in and certain tissue but they they they are a urinary stem cell or another type of stem cell can get reprogramed. If you want to go through like massive scientific procedures, you can reprogram it into a pluripotent stem cell, which is really interesting.

00:45:48:23 – 00:46:16:23
Jonathan Otto
But like it’s the possibilities of what it can form into is basically everything except for placenta. So it so the question is, can this stem cell from knee cartilage she has can form by cells. Yes. Can it form brain cells? Yes, it has. That been documented. I can show you documented case studies of urine derived stem cells forming brain cells and forming hot cells.

00:46:17:07 – 00:46:44:03
Jonathan Otto
And so that’s just two examples. So are ability to like attach to a stimulus and then to form that are remarkable the upsides are what okay so the way that they resemble like the same as a bone marrow derived stem cell or any other mesenchymal stem cell, the amniotic fluid stem cells, ironically that way, the stem cells that most people are getting are actually all just baby urine anyway.

00:46:44:10 – 00:46:53:19
Jonathan Otto
So it’s it’s surprising that they shouldn’t they actually technically should be categorized the same because it’s they’re they’re both the same substance. They’re just but they should still.

00:46:54:01 – 00:47:06:19
Nathan Crane
Differ from the because that because those are from the from the umbilical cord right. When you themselves from the baby. It’s actually from the umbilical cord. And so what you’re really getting is the urine that’s been passed. Is that.

00:47:06:19 – 00:47:25:19
Jonathan Otto
Right? Got it. Yes, exactly. You’re getting the cultured urine and it like the warden’s jelly around the umbilical cord. That is like a high concentration of stem cells. Very effective. That that’s an example of all these constituents that are happening in the presence of aged urine. So like I’ll give you an example.

00:47:26:01 – 00:47:42:12
Nathan Crane
So I wouldn’t I wouldn’t inject another baby’s stem cells into my body personally. Yeah, but millions of people are so. So yeah. Already injecting someone else’s urine into your body, basically. Why would you use your own urine, you know. Yeah.

00:47:42:22 – 00:48:07:18
Jonathan Otto
Exactly, exactly. And I, I would do it if like, you know, because of how, how, how persuaded I am and the purity of of urine. But if it wasn’t urine, I would also have an issue. It’s just I’ve studied so much and I like I would bet on my kidneys to do the filtration more than a skyscraper as high as the tallest.

00:48:07:19 – 00:48:26:12
Jonathan Otto
You know, Dubai building filled with filters and something going through all that filtration. And then I get the drop out of the and and get like, okay, I’m like feeling secure about this filtration. Look, it it’s gone through a lot of processes. I’d feel far more safe with the filtration of my kidneys than I would with that massive, like building filled with filters.

00:48:26:12 – 00:48:53:15
Jonathan Otto
I’m just so convinced and it’s efficacy. Like you can’t be God. It doesn’t matter that they’re small and they’re in your body and you don’t think that they do much. They do a lot and they keep you alive. The masterpiece of Kidney shows while I antivenom is kill people. I have not yet read or found any case where a single person died from doing urine therapy and people survived snake bites like black mamba snake bites and, you know, doing urine therapy.

00:48:53:21 – 00:48:59:21
Jonathan Otto
They’re examples. They are anecdotal because there’s not never going to be a clinical study. It’s unethical to do that. I would agree that that’s unethical.

00:49:00:09 – 00:49:00:15
Nathan Crane
Right.

00:49:01:00 – 00:49:07:07
Nathan Crane
Let’s let’s let’s inject you with some poison and then drink your urine and see if you die or not. As pretty.

00:49:07:14 – 00:49:08:23
Nathan Crane
All right. Exactly.

00:49:09:14 – 00:49:28:03
Nathan Crane
I could be a study where there was, you know, a, you know, a small amount of a toxin injected. And then that that was clearly not going to kill you or cause any damage. Right. Like you could volunteer for something like that, maybe, I don’t know. Like I’m thinking of Wim Hof, you know, they they inject him with the bacteria.

00:49:28:03 – 00:49:32:00
Nathan Crane
This was a thing that he decided to do and that showed that he could remove it from his body.

00:49:32:16 – 00:49:54:03
Jonathan Otto
Which is like kind of a study of why and then like kind of like a bit of like a publicity stunt as far as people that like scientific community, like that’s not conclusive. It’s just this one crazy guy. Exactly. But there’s enough to convince people. So it’s like some people will do that. But it’s part of the reason why snake charmers will have a vial of their urine handy, like right there with them.

00:49:54:10 – 00:50:00:07
Jonathan Otto
Like they there’s a lot of them that understand that. And that’s how they they survive or that like, I mean, like, really.

00:50:00:07 – 00:50:10:21
Nathan Crane
So this story, these stories are of people who’ve been bitten by poisonous snakes and then they they drink their own urine. And and they believe that’s what basically.

00:50:10:23 – 00:50:23:08
Jonathan Otto
Absolutely. The reason why they’re still alive, especially when they’re like, you know, high chances of fatality, like a high there’s certain certain species where like it’s like it’s 70%, like, you know, or higher death rate, 80%, etc..

00:50:23:10 – 00:50:41:02
Nathan Crane
I mean, remember, I don’t know if you read the book, there might a film I think there was a film about or two of the guy I can’t remember his name, but he was out hiking by himself and he a rock fell when he was hiking and landed right on his arm giant boulder. And he was, you know, it was his arm was crushed.

00:50:41:02 – 00:51:08:20
Nathan Crane
Couldn’t move the boulder laying on the ground and was there for days and days. And basically, you know, he ran out of water, obviously, on the first day and then started paying into his camelback and was drinking his urine every day and was there for I have to look it up and see. But it seemed like he was there for like eight days, ten days, 12 days, something like that, until got the courage to basically cut his own arm off with with like a Swiss Army knife, like a leatherman.

00:51:09:06 – 00:51:27:23
Nathan Crane
They cut his own arm off and then stumbled down and got found by some people. And they got him to the hospital. And, you know, he he’s I think he’s still alive today. I think he’s a motivational speaker. And I mean, incredible story. But I mean, you know, there he is surviving on his own urine for days and days.

00:51:27:23 – 00:51:52:05
Nathan Crane
And who’s to say that that, you know, if this is all true, you know, the stem cells and the basically, you know, may have kept him alive while he’s laying there with his arm totally smashed, pinned under a rock, like basically dying, right? Absolutely. Maybe it’s regenerating and keeping him alive. But he certainly at least we know he survived on his own urine for quite exactly.

00:51:52:05 – 00:52:17:04
Jonathan Otto
Exactly. You got that right. And like his you know, people are going to ask questions of stem cells. Can you ingest them and can they go through your skin? And the womb would say, yes, because, you know, so I’m going to bank on that. It’s is very clear to me. But but but yeah, I like the fact that people can survive on this means that people need to know that it’s it’s something like people die all the time from whether it’s snakebites or dehydration because they they didn’t know about this.

00:52:17:16 – 00:52:34:16
Jonathan Otto
And, like, it’s amazing to understand how your body works. I could go out to the ocean now, soak myself in the ocean, and then you’ll notice what happens is your body. Then it’s like basically working as a converter to convert it to something that’s basically it would still classify. It’s like sailing cause it’s still got the salt in it, which is actually good because your body needs that.

00:52:34:23 – 00:52:57:07
Jonathan Otto
But if you, if you drink it after you go, wow, this just tastes very much like, like water because, you know, your body gets super hydrated and then your body’s not converting all that water that’s coming through it into something that you can safely drink, which so like if people soaking in in the water and things like that, like taking in more water and like there’s so many different things that your body can do.

00:52:57:07 – 00:53:16:24
Jonathan Otto
And if people only knew. But coming back to this stem cell issue. So I’ll tell you, the rate of proliferation and this was backed by the Wake Forest Institute, you’ve heard me referenced this one is the institute of Regenerative Medicine. They took an NIH grant. So I’m sure the NIH isn’t like always doing the best things, in my opinion.

00:53:17:07 – 00:53:43:19
Jonathan Otto
But here’s an example of money used for something good. And this university independently did this. And what they found when they took a 24 hour urine sample in each of the ten healthy adult males was about 140 stem cells on average, a full 24 hour sample. I’m going to put forward the fact that most of the concentration of the stem cells is going to be in the morning urine based on the fact that when people rest, they’re regenerating the generating stem cells.

00:53:44:13 – 00:54:09:11
Jonathan Otto
And there’s a high concentration of all the different compounds in metabolites and minerals. Now, when it was left to sit for three weeks, it proliferated at a rate of one times ten to the power of eight. That equated to 100 million stem cells urine, urine, stem cells, 100 million in three weeks. And so they were there in a vial just saying, wow, this rate of replication is is is incredible.

00:54:09:11 – 00:54:48:11
Jonathan Otto
What they also published in that study was that your stem cells could not form terry-thomas or tumors, and they’ve never been able to do that since they were first discovered in 2008. Now, does that not give somebody that considered doing stem cell therapy but had cancer and felt like they that wasn’t an option for them. And if you were so sure that your derived stem cells simply just can’t replicate into a cancer cell, they just they come from the filtrate and they’re that filtrate of the body is in a purified substance that that has actually no confusion.

00:54:48:11 – 00:55:12:12
Jonathan Otto
And it’s the it’s the reason why now, I think about what happens in the womb. I’ll close the loop now finally on the womb that I said. So the urine is going, the amniotic fluid urine, my slight kind of go interchangeably, but like there’s different categorizations. But we’re talking about here the baby urinating, forming the amniotic fluid, this substance coming in through the nose, through the mouth, forming the lungs of the baby.

00:55:13:08 – 00:55:44:23
Jonathan Otto
And a clinical study would tell you that somehow the amniotic fluid is responsible for forming the lungs of the baby was really interesting. Like, why, how? And if the babies don’t urinate, what happens is they die right at that point. That’s when they don’t form lungs. And so it’s essential they will die without urine. And now what does this tell you when you realize that stem cells are in urine, when if you research stem cells like just anyone to look at stem cells and hot, it’s growing outside of the body on a scaffold like look up some of the key words of how stem cells can get used to actually make organs outside of the

00:55:44:23 – 00:56:02:09
Jonathan Otto
body. And the way is simply to have a genetic blueprint. So you got instructions and then you got a stem cell, which is basically a stem cell saying, I’m out your disposable, I’m a building block. Like, I’ll be whatever you want me to be, baby. And it’ll when it attaches, it will form into what it’s told to do.

00:56:03:03 – 00:56:25:15
Jonathan Otto
And so in this case, if it goes inside like that, the nose, the mouth and goes into this area, and then it basically knows it’s getting the instruction from inside the fetus, this is what I’m hypothesizing is happening based on the fact that it would be the only case where this is not happening. Because any other case where you look at stem cells getting attached to a genetic blueprint, they just they have to form into it.

00:56:25:15 – 00:56:43:15
Jonathan Otto
It’s like what they’re destined to do. They can’t help it, do it. And so they’ll form into it. And so what’s happening is they must be forming into the lung cells. And then it also says that this fluid also for forming other organs. So now you’ve got water that’s filled with stem cells going through creating your digestive digestive system.

00:56:43:21 – 00:57:06:05
Jonathan Otto
You’ve got water outside your body that’s going transdigm. Ali And one of the things I’m going to mention is urea is which is which is actually typically a synthetic form of urine. They’re trying to find a way to resemble urine to make it be able to go back into the skin, to create moisturizers because urine like basically urine is truly I’m saying it’s truly the only true, clinically proven moisturizer.

00:57:07:07 – 00:57:23:21
Jonathan Otto
And what happens is the baby is getting the that water is permeable, it’s going in the skin. It must be delivering stem cells through the skin as well. And so the baby’s getting formed from the outside and in the inside. That’s a huge tangent. But the.

00:57:23:21 – 00:57:50:03
Nathan Crane
All right. Speaking of and then I want to share this study that you mentioned because I found it and it’s actually really fascinating and backing up a lot of what you just said for we do talking about urine, I actually have to pee. So let’s take a quick break. I’ll be right back. Okay. All right. So I. I had a pee take a little break and I captured a little bit of my urine while I was peeing.

00:57:50:05 – 00:57:50:12
Jonathan Otto
You did?

00:57:51:00 – 00:58:05:01
Nathan Crane
And I didn’t. I could have filled this whole glass just so I only capture a little bit. I’m still not convinced yet, so I’m not going to drink it yet. But we’ll see by the end of the podcast yet again, and then closer and closer.

00:58:06:05 – 00:58:31:07
Jonathan Otto
I admire your ability to not feel ashamed to do that, you know what I mean? Because that’s just human tendency. Like you find something like shocking or whatever you make, Oh, I don’t know if I really want to get known for this or whatever, but it’s like, All right, whatever. Who cares? Like, people are dying. We need to help people and let’s just play all out because we’re not going to win this if we don’t kind of have some guts.

00:58:31:07 – 00:58:32:04
Jonathan Otto
And yeah.

00:58:32:24 – 00:58:46:20
Nathan Crane
Well, you know, I don’t I could care less what people think about me if I drink urine or and that’s good. I’m more concerned about, you know, what my wife’s going to say. If she sees me drinking urine, she might not want to kiss me again. That might be a I don’t know. What’s your wife think? Yeah. She still kiss you?

00:58:46:23 – 00:58:47:20
Nathan Crane
I mean, give me some hope.

00:58:47:20 – 00:58:58:11
Jonathan Otto
Yes, exactly. You know, these are the things that we got to talk about. So my my wife originally was like, oh, no. And I’m like, I’m done for a bit.

00:58:58:11 – 00:59:02:04
Nathan Crane
I’m I’m like, well, I like it.

00:59:02:04 – 00:59:20:06
Jonathan Otto
I’m like, going to be like a urine drinking monkey now, like, what’s happening to me? My wife is like, you know, just like saved when the other side of the bed, like, what’s going to happen to my love life? Like, I just look at the comments where people are like, this guy’s never going to get laid again. People like, say all this stuff about me so funny and then, but like, it’s fine.

00:59:20:06 – 00:59:30:24
Jonathan Otto
She it it doesn’t it doesn’t smell and like, it doesn’t you put it right in your skin 5 minutes, you kiss your wife and she she wouldn’t realize or she’d be like, man, you’re skin soft and.

00:59:31:08 – 00:59:33:17
Nathan Crane
Like.

00:59:33:17 – 00:59:39:19
Nathan Crane
Yeah, your skin is looking pretty soft if something’s working. But they put it on you put it on your skin every day or.

00:59:40:00 – 01:00:00:08
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, no, I do. I do like I don’t, I didn’t today, but I did yesterday. Like, I mean, so it’s still the net result of like the weekend and it, it, yeah, you definitely can feel the moisturization like just what I’m saying is true about the, like the urea that like it does, it goes in the skin and you just trying to get water in the skin.

01:00:00:09 – 01:00:11:12
Jonathan Otto
It’s like kind of just basic science and it just goes in and you can just go wash it off 5 to 10 minutes later cause it’s going to be already in anyway. Just kind of just go straight in and you’re like, okay, was done. Yeah.

01:00:11:12 – 01:00:31:02
Nathan Crane
I mean, that’s, I think that’s more palatable for people to just, like, take some urine, put it on your skin, whatever, let it sit and then wash it off if you’re concerned about it. But if you think that it has the benefits that we’re talking about, the stem cells and the hormones and, you know, the positive hormones and the and the signaling molecules and things like that.

01:00:31:02 – 01:00:54:18
Nathan Crane
And you wanted to get the benefits. That’s probably we know what absorbs in through the skin, passes into the bloodstream. So, you know, if if you don’t want to drink it, right. Like I said, yeah, I’m I’m getting closer to being convinced actually drinking this. But I’m telling you guys, that’s that’s a big one for me to overcome for whatever reason, since I was a child been deeply program that urine is a waste product.

01:00:55:01 – 01:01:11:20
Nathan Crane
You know like I’m like disgusted if it gets on my hands, I’m disgusted if it gets on. It’s a deep subconscious just belief, dude. It’s like I get, you know, jello drops on your leg or something, you know, and you’re in a hurry and it’s like, oh man, you take it, you know, paper towels or water and wipe it off.

01:01:12:00 – 01:01:25:14
Nathan Crane
And here you are telling me now rub it on your skin. Put it on your face. Yeah, like, you know, so naive, subconscious belief we got to overcome. If this is as beneficial as you said people would, people.

01:01:26:05 – 01:01:29:00
Jonathan Otto
People would say, I prefer to die. And then. Right.

01:01:29:11 – 01:01:31:06
Nathan Crane
And then there’s like most I.

01:01:31:06 – 01:01:32:20
Nathan Crane
Wouldn’t go as far as to say that.

01:01:33:15 – 01:01:58:07
Jonathan Otto
Exactly. Most of it’s because probably half due to the fact that, you know, you have a wife and kids like I say, people that say that to me, they don’t that they’re just single and like they’re kind of they don’t really have it. They don’t realize that they probably don’t have much like a ton of purpose. And so they accidentally say things like that and it’s like, bro, like dude, like I look at what my future would look like without y.

01:01:58:08 – 01:02:16:22
Jonathan Otto
I mean, like, look at what my family would look like doing. Life without me was like, I would do anything to stay alive. Are you kidding me? Like, right. If doing something that’s uncomfortable for me like like I was thinking about the guy that cut off his arm, like, I don’t know what his family situation was, but there was someone who he was getting back from.

01:02:16:22 – 01:02:22:13
Jonathan Otto
I’m telling you that I know that much for sure someone that he’s getting back for someone that like he’s so important to him.

01:02:24:03 – 01:02:44:14
Nathan Crane
Yeah, actually, I think if I remember correctly, he had a sister. I think was, you know, deeply connected with his sister. There was definitely there was definitely a drive. It’s been like 15, 14, 15 years, I think since I read that books. I don’t remember the exact story, but there was definitely a drive for him to stay alive.

01:02:44:14 – 01:03:19:14
Nathan Crane
I remember that for sure. And that that drive to keep us alive, you know, can lead us to do stupid things and can lead us to do really intelligent things. Some people out of self-preservation, right, fight or flight. Sometimes you take really stupid actions, but out of intelligence and deep thinking and and keeping ourselves alive for a deeper, profound purpose, a spiritual purpose, a family purpose, a purpose of service to others, you know, that usually helps you do more intelligent things.

01:03:19:15 – 01:03:37:20
Nathan Crane
And just like what I’ve done, I mean, I’ve heard you talk about this for the last couple of years. I still haven’t even tried this yet. And I’m getting more and more close to it. All right. I always encourage people to research things further. Don’t believe what Jonathan’s telling you. Don’t believe what we’re saying here. Go research. Go talk to other experts.

01:03:37:20 – 01:04:07:23
Nathan Crane
Look deeper into all the studies and things that have been discussed, like use your own logic and reasoning and ask lots of questions. Don’t believe what the so-called experts are telling you out there. You’ve got to figure out things for yourself. That’s a problem we have with current society is like and that’s what the problem with this like this you know, pandemic thing that we went through was so many people stopped using or never used critical thinking.

01:04:08:09 – 01:04:28:09
Nathan Crane
They didn’t ask questions. They and then you were shamed if you were asking questions and then you were called, you know, conspiracy theorists and all kinds of names, and you were shamed and, oh, you don’t care about people. And it’s like, no, this is the time to ask questions more than ever. When you go shop for a new car, you don’t get shamed and called a conspiracy theories.

01:04:28:09 – 01:04:58:08
Nathan Crane
When you’re asking questions about that car and the price of it and where it come from. And, you know, has the oil been changed recently? And those are intelligent questions you’re asking to discover. And sometimes you find that people are lying to you and that actually, like was the truck that I bought, you know, they spray painted under the carriage that to cover up all the rust that had happened, you know, from being in the in the winter climate and decided to never tell me about it.

01:04:58:08 – 01:05:17:16
Nathan Crane
You ask questions and sometimes you find out people are lying to you for their own gain. And this is times we have to ask questions on all sides of things. Is this good for me? Is this bad for me? You know, and dig deeper. And so I appreciate you, you know, being willing to to go deeper into these questions.

01:05:17:16 – 01:05:46:19
Nathan Crane
I want to share the study you mentioned, actually, which I think is pretty cool. This is in Frontiers, um, differentiation, capacity of human urine derived stem cells to retain telomerase, telomerase activity. This is you were mentioning things I think that came straight from this study. And one of the things that they talked about in here that I thought was really interesting, this was the part where you said they took ten healthy male adults.

01:05:48:00 – 01:06:10:05
Nathan Crane
They let’s see, 50 group find telomerase activity extended. Pass it. No, no. This is the part I want to say right here was the US sees which are the clones. The basically the clones of the stem cells from the urine. Right.

01:06:10:05 – 01:06:10:13
Jonathan Otto
You know.

01:06:11:02 – 01:06:31:20
Nathan Crane
The urine derived stem cells otherwise called you as is they displayed normal chromosome and no oncological transformation mean they did not become cancerous after being implanted in vivo into. I’m assuming that ten healthy males. So that’s a human study, right?

01:06:32:22 – 01:06:34:01
Jonathan Otto
Yeah. No, it’s a good question.

01:06:34:01 – 01:06:35:17
Nathan Crane
I and it says right here.

01:06:35:20 – 01:06:39:18
Jonathan Otto
As I assume that it’s my mice, I’m assuming that it’s mice. Let’s double check.

01:06:39:18 – 01:06:45:13
Nathan Crane
It. Yeah, yeah, I’m going to double check. Exactly. That’s what I was saying, too. I was like, they put it into people or mice, but let’s find out.

01:06:45:15 – 01:06:47:18
Jonathan Otto
I may not be awesome. I’d love to see them put them in a people.

01:06:47:18 – 01:06:48:04
Nathan Crane
I says I.

01:06:48:19 – 01:06:49:19
Jonathan Otto
Haven’t done anemia.

01:06:50:04 – 01:07:18:00
Nathan Crane
Said overall is a safe cell source. Telomerase positive urine derived stem cells have a robust regenerative potential in cell proliferate vision and multipotent differentiation capacity. So for people to help break that down, for people multipotent differentiation capacity, it means that those stem cells can basically be adapt and change and be used for all different types of cell regeneration.

01:07:18:00 – 01:07:42:09
Nathan Crane
So it’s not just kidney cells, it’s not just heart cells. They can multipotent differentiation. They can differentiate into help regenerate different types of cells. It’s a multipotent differentiating capacity with those stem cells from the urine, which is freakin pretty incredible. Yeah, I’d have to look through this, but I bet it was in mice. I’d have to go deeper.

01:07:42:09 – 01:07:51:23
Nathan Crane
But telomerase activity has cell proliferation. Let’s see what their when they injected it in vivo.

01:07:53:05 – 01:07:53:11
Nathan Crane
With.

01:07:59:21 – 01:08:26:19
Nathan Crane
Culture. Medium was changed twice a week. Entrepreneur is a now let’s see. Yeah. Nude. Yeah. So it was injected into mice. Yeah in a better for value in general gram. So the results I’d like spend some time reading through this and I would encourage people to go find this and redo it if they want to. But let’s just, let’s go see at least what conclusion said.

01:08:27:06 – 01:08:29:04
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, I’m glad you any other conclusion? I like this.

01:08:29:09 – 01:08:58:05
Nathan Crane
Human primary urinary stem cells with positive to telomerase activity act as a distinct subpopulation a potential regeneration potential regeneration capacity in both cell proliferation and multiple differentiation. That’s huge. We just talked about that. They can give rise to osteogenic skeletal, smooth muscle urothelial cell lines. They do not form teratoma, which is what you said, and provides a safe cell source for clinical application.

01:08:58:14 – 01:09:05:09
Nathan Crane
In addition, the number of urine derived stem cells decline with increasing age. That’s interesting. Future investigation.

01:09:05:09 – 01:09:10:07
Jonathan Otto
Should and I can qualify that to say okay I’ll tell you exact findings about continue if you want.

01:09:10:17 – 01:09:37:19
Nathan Crane
Future investigations should focus on understanding the role that physiological factors play in regulating both the temporal patterns and their influence on the ability of these cells. Participate in better tissue repair, determining the requirements for the effect of telomerase activity on the peregrine effect of urine drive stem cells has important implications for understanding the antiinflammatory fibrosis inhibition right? This is inhibiting fibrosis, which is important and redox effects.

01:09:38:16 – 01:10:02:00
Nathan Crane
So they found obviously in the in the study, then you’d have to go back and find out exactly what they found. But they found that it had or showed important implications for anti inflammatory fibrosis inhibition of redox effects from the urine derived stem cells, which is pretty awesome. And they’re just saying you need more they want more studies to understand better.

01:10:03:04 – 01:10:04:17
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, exactly. And which is great.

01:10:05:06 – 01:10:05:20
Nathan Crane
Of course.

01:10:06:00 – 01:10:42:04
Jonathan Otto
But some some of them will never happen, not with the current system. They will happen with a different system. But you have to then grab and look at different applications of that data and look at history and at people that are currently doing this and to like look at applications. Otherwise you’re going to wait on someone that’s not kind of didn’t have any more, you know, direction for you of like, but use this information wisely to qualify the point that you brought up there or the question mark around the age groups and telomerase activity.

01:10:42:04 – 01:11:05:22
Jonathan Otto
So at telomerase, telomerase is the lengthening of a telomere and the telomere is what determines the biological age of anyone. And as that goes shorter, in this case, this repetition of DNA that’s on the end of the chromosome, when it goes shorter, you’re going to see all these accelerated signs of aging and degeneration and chronic disease. If it’s longer, then you’ll see the reverse of all those things, including a remission of disease.

01:11:05:22 – 01:11:10:19
Jonathan Otto
It is actually true. You can see this turn around like and so yeah.

01:11:11:01 – 01:11:44:13
Nathan Crane
This is just a yeah. The telomerase to clarify is yeah it’s the enzyme that’s responsible for helping lengthen the telomeres or telomeres on the cells. And you can and you can study the cells and study the length of the telomeres just like you said, that are directly associated with health and longevity as a human being. And the longer the telomeres, the longer the more likely it is that you’re living youthful as you age, right?

01:11:44:13 – 01:12:02:21
Nathan Crane
You’re living longer and healthier. And as those telomeres shorten through their findings through various mechanisms of damage from our diet and lifestyle and stress and so forth, it’s directly associated with Shorten lifespan and all cause mortality, increased disease, risk, etc..

01:12:03:24 – 01:12:20:09
Jonathan Otto
Exactly. You got it. And a day at my I was trying to help someone in the hospital the other day and I had translated this into Spanish. So now I’ve got it back in English.

01:12:20:09 – 01:12:27:02
Nathan Crane
You speak Spanish and not not enough.

01:12:27:02 – 01:12:59:01
Jonathan Otto
Yes. Okay. Telomerase activity is exhibited in gametes and stem and tumor cells. So the 70. So what happened with the different categories? Thank you for the clarification to the different categories of people. Were the 20 to 40 year olds 2040 year old age group they had 75% of their stem cells were telomerase positive. And then the 50 year old age group was 59.2%.

01:13:00:13 – 01:13:20:22
Jonathan Otto
And so it just showed that everyone was was in the game, as far as I’m concerned. And like as you get older, then all of the stem cells that are in your body, like the effectiveness of them would continually go down. But but I’m going to put forward that it appears that it’s perfect for that body. It’s just that at that point you don’t need as much.

01:13:20:22 – 01:13:35:06
Jonathan Otto
And so your body’s just giving you more of what it needs. And it’s like that decline is not something to be concerned about. And so I do believe that I urine would always be anti-aging because of that. That’s what I, that’s what I believe.

01:13:35:06 – 01:14:01:03
Nathan Crane
All right. So let’s let’s take a minute and let’s talk about that just a few minutes and kind of bullet point. All the research you’ve done, doctors, you’ve talked to case studies seen, and we’re not claiming this is 100% guaranteed for everybody. But you’re in therapy. If you were to just list a list of potential benefits that you’ve discovered so far, what would those benefits look like?

01:14:02:07 – 01:14:32:12
Jonathan Otto
So so the self signaling benefit would be that whatever specific toxin you have you’re in would have a high probability of being able to get that specific out toxin or collection of toxins out of your body in that that then becomes limitless in types of conditions or symptoms or things like that. That could be change put into remission, the, you know, relieving that toxic burden.

01:14:33:03 – 01:15:03:24
Jonathan Otto
Now, in terms just like looking purely at the compounds like this, there’s these different interesting compounds like DHEA, and that’s known as a miracle drug for anti-aging. That’s in high. Yeah. So you’re nodding that’s that’s in urine in high in high proportions. Well and respectively. Right. Because because again with metabolites and things like that it’s metabolites or you can just have the tiniest amount of something and then it is exponentially effective.

01:15:04:13 – 01:15:35:06
Jonathan Otto
But in terms of ratio wise, it still constitutes us as one of the higher key components that that appear in urine. But then, then you would have like people then could expect benefits like their hair growing, you know, not now youthfully and and beautifully in a and I’ve seen case studies like that like where they’re their hair is just, you know, soft and beautiful or people are showing signs of eye.

01:15:35:12 – 01:15:55:23
Jonathan Otto
They’re having like regrowth of their hair is growing when they, you know, they were having issues with that. It can be a complaint like there are women that complain about having to shave their hair on their legs, like much, much more rapid pace. I’ve seen seen that and then, you know, vision, I’ve seen case studies even of doctors telling me how much their vision has improved.

01:15:55:23 – 01:16:19:24
Jonathan Otto
We we even had someone in our audience talk about their vision improved significantly. But the other thing that was interesting is that her eyes change color is the second time I’ve heard that, um, and that know, you hear about these things occasionally. It’s completely anecdotal, but, but just amazing and, and like you have an idea of the fact that we, we do some of the work we do together.

01:16:19:24 – 01:16:42:11
Jonathan Otto
And I just did this thing the other day. You blow your mind if you saw it just happen. Lifetime. This is where my some of my stuff like I would have thought these were paid actors just given how like synchronized this all happened like you just asked, you don’t get any results. And then I unmute the microphone and then I’ve got all these conditions that people that had these life threatening conditions of having people have turned around in really short periods of time.

01:16:43:08 – 01:17:04:20
Jonathan Otto
These hot conditions I’ve seen I mean, this is anecdotal, so I want to be careful and sending off any flags. But, you know, I’ve seen cases where people they’re like heart palpitations and like mysterious heart conditions or this one woman, she came on the other day and it was premature.

01:17:04:20 – 01:17:05:14
Nathan Crane
Premature.

01:17:06:18 – 01:17:13:18
Jonathan Otto
Cardio like she was having. It’s a premature cardio.

01:17:13:21 – 01:17:17:06
Nathan Crane
This these are people you’ve been you’ve been interviewing who’s sharing their stories with you.

01:17:17:19 – 01:17:18:20
Jonathan Otto
Exactly.

01:17:19:08 – 01:17:23:01
Nathan Crane
Are you putting these online somewhere?

01:17:23:01 – 01:17:23:13
Jonathan Otto
Yes.

01:17:24:12 – 01:17:28:05
Nathan Crane
To find out if people can go watch some of those interviews somewhere.

01:17:29:03 – 01:17:50:13
Jonathan Otto
Oh, yeah, true. Yeah, they’re in like they’re these recent ones were in a series that I did called Healing Genesis Reloaded and are people can see the Healing Genesis series dot com or or even this healing series dot com. Like we documented a bunch of these new kind of case studies and especially in.

01:17:50:13 – 01:17:56:08
Nathan Crane
Business people, primarily the main thing they started doing was urine that drinking their own urine.

01:17:57:05 – 01:17:59:14
Nathan Crane
Yeah, yeah.

01:17:59:14 – 01:18:32:23
Jonathan Otto
Premature ventricular contraction. And so she had that since the age of 15 and it was two weeks she she’s like, I’m I don’t I’m asymptomatic completely on this condition. I was like, well, and again, like more time. I’ve got other cases where it’s been a full 12 months now where that happened for them. And like this one case, I bring up glory Charlene two years straight of heart palpitations after like this thing that she felt like she shouldn’t have taken just in the last couple of years.

01:18:33:11 – 01:19:01:19
Jonathan Otto
When she put that into her body, she had started having these heart palpitations. Like now it’s a year later, that’s the first day she drank her urine, her heart palpitations stopped and they never came back. I will say that, you know, there are people that while a doctor better, I did get information from a a close friend and source of his that his troponin and d-dimer is had normalized in six days when he was doing the urine therapy.

01:19:01:19 – 01:19:25:20
Jonathan Otto
But he was also like worried about doing it, which was interesting. He like there were a lot of people that showed me different things and but they didn’t personally kind of know how to do it or do it frequently themselves. They hadn’t developed that habit or at it. But that was that was an amazing piece of information from, I would say, and arguably the best friend of Dr. Buiter.

01:19:26:04 – 01:19:46:01
Jonathan Otto
I just don’t want to reveal him. But the point is that I do believe that that that this is extremely effective for him. And and I’ve seen many cases of people using it for all different types of things, skin conditions. This was one that happened to me, just like look at look at this on my leg. So this is this just happens.

01:19:46:01 – 01:19:49:23
Jonathan Otto
I was I came back from traveling and then it was so dry.

01:19:51:00 – 01:19:54:08
Nathan Crane
The red is kind of like a rash. Looks like a kind of bumpy, bumpy rash.

01:19:55:05 – 01:20:16:23
Jonathan Otto
Exactly. So I yesterday I injected this. So this is what it looked like yesterday. And I had zero irritation at the the amount of irritation and like, the itchiness was like kind of almost intolerable. Like, I can’t sleep kind of thing. I just injected into the skin.

01:20:16:23 – 01:20:32:01
Nathan Crane
So this is so this is so what we’re looking at. Yesterday, you had this big rash appear after traveling. Whatever you got this big rash from something and then you choose to inject your urine into it.

01:20:32:19 – 01:20:48:09
Jonathan Otto
Yep. Just very topically. Like not deep in there. I’m using an insulin needle. I got this idea because I’d seen someone do this with me with a homeopathic remedy ones I actually quite recently on something and it worked and I was like, Man, that’s amazing.

01:20:48:16 – 01:21:20:03
Nathan Crane
I, by the way, just watching we’re not we’re not like telling you, go inject yourself with urine, okay? This is not what we’re telling you. Just showing you what Jonathan did yesterday to this rash that appeared, which. Yeah, it looks it looks pretty gnarly. Um, okay, so now shows a close up of it. Right now I think it looks about halfway like improved like 50%, like 50% less like 100% and 50% improved maybe.

01:21:20:22 – 01:21:26:13
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, exactly. And it feels like I’m just trying to stop share? Do I stop share so you can see me?

01:21:26:24 – 01:21:34:20
Nathan Crane
Uh, yeah. Just hits up share somewhere else I can take. You should be a red button for you somewhere.

01:21:34:20 – 01:21:37:21
Nathan Crane
Think it’s just because I got my out of here?

01:21:37:21 – 01:21:43:02
Nathan Crane
I’ll do it. I’ll do it. And then I’ll stop sharing on my in.

01:21:43:02 – 01:21:45:01
Nathan Crane
Okay? Yeah. So this sort of thing.

01:21:45:02 – 01:21:51:12
Nathan Crane
So now you got to get it closer. Yeah. Get close up there of.

01:21:51:12 – 01:21:51:21
Nathan Crane
Yeah.

01:21:52:05 – 01:21:53:20
Nathan Crane
Janos inner thigh.

01:21:54:08 – 01:21:55:02
Nathan Crane
Yeah I know, right.

01:21:56:04 – 01:21:58:10
Nathan Crane
Oh yeah. Dude, it’s like it looks way better.

01:21:59:22 – 01:22:20:01
Jonathan Otto
I do. I Don’t even know that this is here right now and it doesn’t bother me at all. And the I, I would say probably in three days you won’t almost see anything. And by a week it’ll be like just a tiny bit of a scar. And then, and like from what I saw happened with a homeopathic remedy, but I don’t even know where to order that thing.

01:22:20:01 – 01:22:41:10
Jonathan Otto
And I was like, I, my urine can do it. And, and so anyway, like, it’s too anecdotal for me to then say there’s, I want to see it replicated more times, but it’s just an example of like knowing that you have something there. But yeah, you asked about the benefits, mental clarity, depression, drug addiction. What’s my evidence on using this for drug addiction?

01:22:41:19 – 01:23:16:12
Jonathan Otto
Dr. William Hitt is my example. 20,000 patients treated. He would use this as a as a remedy for drug. And I can see why. If you understand that you’ve got all your neurotransmitters, your hormones are DMT, like things that people are trying to do and finding even plant medicines and things like. I think that like if people really understood you’re in therapy, they would see that they have everything inside themself and there’s not I don’t think there’s a need and like you can get and you’ll see a lot of self-healing and trauma release and things like that.

01:23:16:12 – 01:23:37:19
Jonathan Otto
So there’s all these unusual things that are there as well. We talked a lot about the cancer and I’ll show some more material on that and I’ll back some of my sources of some of the things I brought up as well. But like, yeah, that’s like just a nutshell. Weight loss, amazing. With weight loss, I’ve seen cases of people losing exponential amounts of weights and short weight in a short period of time.

01:23:38:04 – 01:24:02:24
Jonathan Otto
But I’ve also and you could see that even if you just put in just anyone puts in the YouTube sorry Google urine therapy before and after just watched look at all the before and after pictures that show and hit images and you’ll you’ll see people just think about what happens when you’re signaling your body with what what it’s missing and think about how satiated you would become like I feel super satiated.

01:24:02:24 – 01:24:24:09
Jonathan Otto
It helped me a lot with food addiction and my cravings. Like that’s the biggest thing. Like you kind of life. People learn about diet and then their life becomes a bit of a torture because they they crave things that they shouldn’t have. But if you could if you could give yourself that satiate and your body had all its cues of like you’ve got everything with filling all your receptors.

01:24:25:14 – 01:24:39:02
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, look at all those metabolites. If all those metabolites it like scoring you, you’re filling your cup so that your, your lack is not driving your program.

01:24:39:02 – 01:24:56:04
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s fascinating. Plus, I know a guy I don’t know him personally. You might know him who looks pretty healthy. I think he’s in his fifties who’s been says he’s been doing urine therapy for like 20 years. He’s like.

01:24:56:12 – 01:24:57:12
Jonathan Otto
He’s 58.

01:24:57:18 – 01:25:04:09
Nathan Crane
58. Yeah, yeah. Troy Yeah. He’s is actually more healthy. Health influencer, online and social media.

01:25:05:04 – 01:25:24:03
Jonathan Otto
So to find out that great guy. Yeah. And he’s interviewed me and he, he was like really humble about it. He’s like, man, you’re helping me understand the science. And like, as he’s been educating more, I’m seeing him, like, pull out all the facts and and that’s great seeing him in action with it because he’s a great billboard for it because he doesn’t like test on like replacement therapies.

01:25:24:03 – 01:25:44:03
Jonathan Otto
58 and he’s jacked, right? He looks great and he so he’s you know he’s not plant based like you are and I am, but he’s not he’s open minded to all these different types of things. But like the fact that he’s not taking testosterone, it’s like one of the examples of somebody that’s using urine therapy to to solve those kinds of things.

01:25:44:03 – 01:26:06:22
Jonathan Otto
And that that friend of ours looks like he’s using that in the same manner. It like that. It it may like help him maintain those levels because like that’s a huge predicament that even anyone on any diet plant based I would say is the best for testosterone. Like to keep it high. But I would still say like everyone’s kind of like a little bit lost on that subject without getting like the pellets or the injections in a lot of cases.

01:26:07:10 – 01:26:13:05
Jonathan Otto
And I and I’d like to see it proven that the urine could solve that problem for like most people.

01:26:14:02 – 01:26:24:07
Nathan Crane
But so what I’m going to do, what I want to do is I want to do a couple tests. I’m going to do a couple of blood tests and um.

01:26:25:01 – 01:26:26:21
Jonathan Otto
Before and after on your medals and stuff, right?

01:26:26:21 – 01:27:00:00
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Like a toxin panel and then like a, you know, hormone and overall health panel. I’m really curious on the testosterone thing. Yeah. You know, and especially if you’re saying there’s DHEA in there that’s going to help increase testosterone. Naturally, as an athlete, you know, I’m dealing with healing some chronic injuries, too, that like have been flaring up, you know, year after year from just overuse, not healing, fully getting back into training heavy before things are fully healed.

01:27:00:00 – 01:27:15:01
Nathan Crane
And like I’ve got some bicep tendon apathy that’s like, you know, I really focus on healing right now. That’s like taking more time than I want to have right to heal. And same thing with some, you know, a knee thing and so you.

01:27:15:01 – 01:27:42:00
Jonathan Otto
Get so you could soak by the way in like with RA and have it soaking there. Mm. Particularly aged urine but even fresh air. And that was the athlete, the NFL player that never like basically never missed a game because the therapy, every time you get a sprain, if you got the sprain on Wednesday he would boil the water like he’d make the urine hot, put his like for 30 minutes so get by Friday playing again, which is super not typical for someone spraining an ankle.

01:27:42:00 – 01:27:44:22
Nathan Crane
Right. It’s like soak a rag in urine and heat it up.

01:27:44:22 – 01:28:01:08
Jonathan Otto
I in this case, he would boil it and he would he would soak his foot in the water itself. Oh, I think it was. And maybe it wasn’t completely boiled, but it was hot. So it was hot. So that and like, I don’t know, like that he did that. I’ve not done that. I’ve not made it like hot like that.

01:28:01:08 – 01:28:25:09
Jonathan Otto
But it does make sense, like about like really getting that access. But like the stem cell aspect, I, I’d be kind of careful to kind of cook those living organisms. So is but then the aged urine like there are people that if you’re putting them directly on their knees like seven day old week old urine and like a female pad or a baby diaper or just like a rag wrapped around the knee letting those stem cells soak through.

01:28:26:09 – 01:28:29:15
Jonathan Otto
I think it’s an amazing concept. Apparently it’s working.

01:28:29:22 – 01:28:54:18
Nathan Crane
So couple of things. One, in this book you recommended that I read The Golden Fountain, which I’ve been reading. He does talk about in here, like if you’re in if you’re taking pharmaceuticals or exposed to heavy toxins, I think even like he recommends not doing urine therapy, especially if you’re on pharmaceuticals. What are your thoughts on that?

01:28:54:24 – 01:29:19:11
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, exactly. I think differently. And Martha Christie, the author of the book Your Own Perfect Medicine, remember, like all these different like a lot of these books were like ten, 12, 20, 30 years ago. And and it’s all up for debate like it’s and it’s a great conversation. Um, the reason why I’m arguing the opposite. I’d side with Dr. William Hit with this the Nobel Prize.

01:29:19:14 – 01:29:54:06
Jonathan Otto
He’s the Nobel Prize winner and that he influenced Martha Christie on that as well because he was saying like, look at these data of people that have these massive drug addictions. They’re taking all kinds of drugs. I’m giving them their urine. Not only is it helping them, but it’s also helping them get off their drug addictions. And like, let’s say, for example, with the like the once anyone would be willing to take their urine if they were stung by a snake or something else poisonous, if they’re willing to do that, then I cannot find any estimation why someone wouldn’t do it if they’re on a medication.

01:29:54:06 – 01:30:17:03
Jonathan Otto
Because the medication is I would just compare it to a snake bite and like I say, the most harmful medications are the ones containing venoms. And there’s there’s a lot of them and but they’re still like nothing compares to getting beat in the wild by like a kind of geographics cones now and having having the 80% fatality rate like like immediately on impact.

01:30:17:10 – 01:30:39:09
Jonathan Otto
And I’m and I’m saying within at a heartbeat I would I would drink that with zero risk of worry for the urine but just still concern that am I going to make it. I’d be like putting nicotine directly on it. I’d be putting urine directly on it, smoking. I’d have someone try to suck it out as well. Like I, you know, I’d be doing all these things, but I would not be concerned about the urine in that case.

01:30:39:09 – 01:30:44:05
Jonathan Otto
So why would I be concerned about it with. Mm hmm. I wonder. Or even unhealthy diet?

01:30:44:16 – 01:31:08:19
Nathan Crane
Yeah. I mean, I guess. I guess arguments on the other side is those pharmaceuticals are even though a lot of them are made from, you know, snake venoms and toxins and stuff. And that I know it sounds conspiratorial for people, but it’s not 100% true. You can look it up. It’s well-documented, a lot of those medications. But they’re but they’re also very synthetic and toxic to the body.

01:31:08:19 – 01:31:31:17
Nathan Crane
They have stature. They create side effects in the body. They while they might help with one thing, they have a lot of side effects that that can damage other things. So putting if those are going into your urine and putting those back into your body again, if that’s true, you’re saying you think it would filter them out? We’re saying, yeah, we don’t have hard evidence to conclude one way or the other.

01:31:33:00 – 01:31:44:02
Jonathan Otto
Yeah. And I’m saying that like if you just go to the womb and you look at the baby, you look at the fact that 287 chemicals on average and they they are 100% cancer causing like worse than medications like.

01:31:44:04 – 01:32:05:03
Nathan Crane
Yeah, yeah. I mean, you would think you would think that 1% of those babies would be born with cancer, which they’re not. And even though more children are being born with cancer, it’s still relatively low, I think in the U.S.. I think about 12,000 new diagnoses a year, which is relatively low for a child under I think that statistic is child under 15 or child under 12.

01:32:05:13 – 01:32:51:05
Nathan Crane
So cancer and we know cancer can take years and even sometimes decades to actually be diagnosable in the body. So it may have triggered some chronic inflammatory conditions in those children and not show up until they’re an adult. But there’s also the real possibility. I mean, we’re speaking in in theory here, there’s a real possibility that all of that continuous urine that they’re drinking and bringing in their own stem cells back in their body during utero has helped their bodies to detoxify those chemicals from their body, which would why they’re not being born with cancer and other autoimmune conditions and neurodegenerative diseases and endocrine specific diseases from those chemicals could be we don’t know.

01:32:51:05 – 01:32:53:02
Nathan Crane
But but but it’s an interesting theory.

01:32:53:09 – 01:33:18:18
Jonathan Otto
It’s definitely something to question exactly and certainly is helping them like something is helping them in that and and that that process is is intelligent and it’s fascinating and it and so yeah that that information is there and that’s why I’m I’d be like if I was on medications, I would want to do urine therapy more because I would know that I’ve got these toxic exposures.

01:33:18:18 – 01:33:38:07
Jonathan Otto
If I like felt like my diet wasn’t perfect, I’d want to do it more. Why? Because it means I’m getting more toxins in my diet and it means I’m craving things that I shouldn’t be having that aren’t good for me. And I need to answer that problem, and I need to satiate my myself because I can’t and I need help because I have like addictive behaviors.

01:33:38:07 – 01:33:55:16
Jonathan Otto
And if I’m willing to do that, like that is like to me, a holy grail that’s going to unlock many other possibilities. And if I don’t want to drink it, I can do it via anima. It’s still going to absorb a lot of that and give you a lot of different benefits. There are differences between oral and injection and and rectal, but.

01:33:56:05 – 01:33:58:20
Jonathan Otto
But they all have different benefits, which is awesome too.

01:33:59:10 – 01:34:00:12
Nathan Crane
So like this.

01:34:00:12 – 01:34:02:00
Nathan Crane
Tools. Yeah.

01:34:02:03 – 01:34:19:14
Nathan Crane
Um, I mean, we’ll have to do a follow up because I know we’re kind of running short on time and I said 100 things I want to ask you about. But before we kind of wrap up, I wanted to, um, I’ll ask you. So how long have you been drinking? How long have you been doing? You’re in therapy.

01:34:20:16 – 01:34:23:15
Jonathan Otto
Two years since the time I talk to you about like I was, like.

01:34:23:18 – 01:34:24:16
Nathan Crane
Every day or.

01:34:25:14 – 01:34:26:04
Jonathan Otto
Every day.

01:34:26:11 – 01:34:28:11
Nathan Crane
Every day. Every day for two years.

01:34:29:04 – 01:34:29:12
Jonathan Otto
Yeah.

01:34:30:01 – 01:34:30:24
Nathan Crane
And how much do you drink?

01:34:32:06 – 01:34:43:17
Jonathan Otto
Um, my full money output. So which could be a cup this big, I guess. Kind of typical for me. I just.

01:34:43:17 – 01:34:50:07
Nathan Crane
You just drink it. You just drink it straight. Do you put it you put it on ice. Do you add any flavor to it?

01:34:51:00 – 01:35:03:15
Nathan Crane
Yes. Those aftershave. So two, two years you sit there and and think about what you’re going to.

01:35:03:15 – 01:35:12:24
Nathan Crane
So two years drinking it almost every day. And it’s the first urine of the day right after you wake up right?

01:35:12:24 – 01:35:14:15
Nathan Crane
Yeah. After that, yeah.

01:35:14:21 – 01:35:34:01
Nathan Crane
Yeah. First urine of the day after you wake up and that study you were talking about, they said they found 140 stem cells in that urine. And if they aged it for three weeks, it then had 100 million stem cells. So have you tried aging urine and drinking it?

01:35:35:16 – 01:35:37:01
Nathan Crane
It’s funny that you bring that up.

01:35:37:05 – 01:35:52:11
Nathan Crane
I know our friend. I don’t know. Our friend’s doing that right now, actually. Actually. Did he tell you he’s starting? I’m not saying his name because I don’t know if he wants us to right now, but did he tell you he’s starting a urine cleanse right now? All He’s doing is drinking urine every day is like a urine fast.

01:35:53:16 – 01:35:57:24
Nathan Crane
What a legend that you didn’t tell me, but he’d be keeping me in the loop, so.

01:35:58:11 – 01:36:06:13
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I was like, How long you going to do? He’s like, I first was thinking 30 days. I was like, 30 days. I was like, Start with like a week and see how it goes.

01:36:06:13 – 01:36:11:02
Nathan Crane
Then I did a week myself.

01:36:11:09 – 01:36:13:00
Nathan Crane
You did a week of a urine fest?

01:36:13:21 – 01:36:14:11
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, six.

01:36:14:11 – 01:36:16:08
Nathan Crane
Days. Exactly. Wow.

01:36:16:08 – 01:36:19:05
Nathan Crane
Well, you’re still alive. You’re alive. You didn’t die?

01:36:20:13 – 01:36:21:13
Nathan Crane
No, no. Like.

01:36:21:21 – 01:36:24:18
Nathan Crane
What were you doing just now? You were just filling the cup with urine.

01:36:25:11 – 01:36:30:15
Jonathan Otto
Yes, filling this cup here like this is, you know, like it looks real.

01:36:30:18 – 01:36:31:11
Nathan Crane
That’s pretty cool.

01:36:32:15 – 01:36:50:01
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, exactly. That was just that was just that output. So, like, this is, like, symbol that tastes like it doesn’t like, taste bad. It just tastes like, kind of if you think about it, like, this is just filtered blood. It’s like it gives you a different feeling. Like.

01:36:50:09 – 01:36:59:18
Nathan Crane
I don’t know. I don’t know about the thinking about drinking filtered blood does not sound appealing to me at all. You know, it makes me feel like a vampire like, yeah, let me get some filtered blood.

01:37:01:17 – 01:37:03:06
Nathan Crane
All I know, right? Yeah.

01:37:03:07 – 01:37:24:00
Jonathan Otto
Like, which is interesting. Like people who who would be people that would drink blood and then have the fountain of youth. You see? See, the play there is if you’re in this filtered blood and if you look at all these stem cells in telomerase and then you you realize, oh, hold on, the play of vampires is like is like a it could be a reference.

01:37:24:02 – 01:37:31:10
Jonathan Otto
Like if you drank blood, it like would be not helpful for you. Like it would not help you in the urine does so like, all right you’re just all right.

01:37:31:10 – 01:37:39:21
Nathan Crane
You just since you just drank it towards the end here. I got I got it. I got to try it now it’s time. Mine’s pretty watered down. It’s not very yellow.

01:37:39:21 – 01:37:43:11
Jonathan Otto
Because, you know, that’s perfect. Like, that’s exactly how I tell people to do it.

01:37:43:11 – 01:37:55:13
Nathan Crane
But I drink a lot of, um, I drink a lot of water and green juice and tea throughout the day. So I peel that throughout the day. So it’s like throughout the day, it’s like very, very clear, you know.

01:37:55:20 – 01:38:01:23
Jonathan Otto
Like that’s going to that’s I’m going to say that’s going to be pleasant. Like it’s going to be fine. I think, like, let’s see. Actually, there’s no smell.

01:38:02:23 – 01:38:03:15
Nathan Crane
You see what I mean?

01:38:03:24 – 01:38:19:20
Nathan Crane
Very, very, very little smell. Very. Listen. All right, here we go. First time on camera, first time drinking my own urine. Here we go.

01:38:19:20 – 01:38:20:24
Nathan Crane
Ooh, ooh.

01:38:22:14 – 01:38:28:13
Nathan Crane
Ooh. That is different. It tastes exactly. How do you think it would taste? Like urine.

01:38:28:13 – 01:38:32:19
Nathan Crane
Exactly. Now, now, let’s see if you can convince your mind and go again. Like.

01:38:32:19 – 01:38:38:22
Jonathan Otto
And just like. Like it’s taken a long time. It’s like it’s a mind game. It’s still a mind game for. Me, because I’m like a.

01:38:38:22 – 01:38:39:09
Nathan Crane
Big mind.

01:38:39:09 – 01:38:48:06
Jonathan Otto
Like, is like, tell me, is there something there that tastes bad? Is it actually tasting bad or is it like a thought or belief or what is.

01:38:48:06 – 01:38:53:07
Nathan Crane
It was definitely a thought and I believe I got this deep subconscious belief that it’s bad for you, right?

01:38:53:07 – 01:38:57:18
Jonathan Otto
That it’s I mean, I’ve tasted bad things before and I didn’t, you know, just tasted bad.

01:38:57:18 – 01:39:21:22
Nathan Crane
Like the aftertaste is not bad. Like, it’s not. Yeah, it’s not like I can’t, I can’t explain it. It tastes like something I’ve actually tasted before. That’s like it tastes like an aftertaste of a certain kind of food. And I’m trying to pinpoint what it is, actually. All right, let’s try another another step open mind.

01:39:21:24 – 01:39:28:12
Jonathan Otto
Like think about it. Something like. Yeah, exactly. Positive. Something positive, something that’s stem cells like.

01:39:29:11 – 01:39:44:20
Nathan Crane
Okay, not nearly as bad the second time. More, more like I’m not. You say it tastes good, but it’s more palatable. It’s not as shocking. That first drink was slightly shocking. That one was not nearly as bad.

01:39:45:23 – 01:40:08:01
Jonathan Otto
Yeah. And the reason why I’m saying about the filtered blood is if, like, your blood is being filtered and then you’re just putting it back in. Yeah, it just is like it’s not that weird. And so it’s not supposed to taste like, like we’re so addicted to like I’ll get the double, like, double hit latte with, like, the pumpkin spice and we’re like, I want it, like, super sweet and I want it super this and that.

01:40:08:01 – 01:40:15:09
Jonathan Otto
And we’re not used to something that’s kind of just taste like like nothing almost is like, oh, that’s gross. Like, what does it taste like? Nothing like.

01:40:16:11 – 01:40:16:20
Nathan Crane
No.

01:40:17:18 – 01:40:27:16
Nathan Crane
It’s definitely got a flavor. I mean, it’s hard to say what it is. Each sip that I like is not nearly is not nearly as shocking as the first one.

01:40:28:11 – 01:40:33:16
Jonathan Otto
Is it like sweet or salty?

01:40:33:16 – 01:40:35:04
Nathan Crane
Doesn’t taste sweet or salty.

01:40:37:02 – 01:40:39:09
Jonathan Otto
Like I mean, like that. That’s what I mean about what’s.

01:40:39:09 – 01:40:40:21
Nathan Crane
Your what’s your urine tastes like.

01:40:42:01 – 01:40:51:18
Jonathan Otto
This tastes like. Okay, I could say that there is something that makes me think of like. Like a really mild miso soup.

01:40:51:18 – 01:40:55:02
Nathan Crane
Puts a floating tofu in their soup.

01:40:55:15 – 01:40:59:11
Nathan Crane
Yeah, exactly.

01:40:59:11 – 01:41:06:17
Nathan Crane
Like yours is dark. Yours is darker, though. So if it’s dark, if you get it early in the morning, is it does it have more flavor to it? More is a stronger.

01:41:07:18 – 01:41:29:15
Jonathan Otto
Like little bit. But because you’re also fasting, it also then becomes more pleasant. But if you just ate a bunch of stuff, if you ate it like all raw plant based, for example, I would probably it would still taste like just kind of good or like it’s fine, but if you eat like even a decent amount of cooked food or whatever it like and I drink urine straight after that, it tastes bad to me.

01:41:29:21 – 01:41:31:01
Jonathan Otto
Like, I don’t like doing that.

01:41:31:07 – 01:41:37:07
Nathan Crane
So. So you like to drink it first, first pee in the cup and then drink it. Yeah. First thing in the morning.

01:41:37:07 – 01:41:54:23
Jonathan Otto
Exactly. Oh and then like through other times in the day, not like straight after a meal or when I’m pretty hydrated or something like that. And then it’s like fine. But like if it was going to come out in a way where it’s like going to taste bad and I felt like I needed to do it, then at that point I might mix it together, but I actually got like my wife had like athletic greens or something like this around.

01:41:54:23 – 01:42:11:16
Jonathan Otto
So I dumped that in this morning and then I actually sat there drinking it going, I think this tastes better than if if it was with water because it gave it more texture and it gave it more. But it’s taking me a long time to that point because I like the gag too. The first time I did it because I did it was driving as well as like, I’m going to have to pull.

01:42:11:16 – 01:42:14:23
Nathan Crane
Over and throw up, like and then I, then I.

01:42:14:23 – 01:42:16:01
Jonathan Otto
Worked out and.

01:42:16:02 – 01:42:22:21
Nathan Crane
You’re I’m picturing you drinking urine or driving down the road. You take a drink of urine just like.

01:42:23:09 – 01:42:27:12
Nathan Crane
Well, exactly. Because it was like it’s crazy.

01:42:27:12 – 01:42:49:10
Nathan Crane
The first the first sip was just like it was a shock. It was like, oh, my God, urine in my mouth. Like, I didn’t feel like I was gonna throw up. But it was like definitely that that subconscious belief kick it in. And now every sip that I’ve had, here’s the rest of it. Well, it’s not it’s not bad at all that same flavors there.

01:42:49:23 – 01:42:59:17
Nathan Crane
But I can’t say it’s a bad flavor like no, it’s not a bad flavor. It’s not a good flavor. It’s kind of it’s just like neutral. It’s in the middle, you know?

01:43:00:13 – 01:43:23:05
Jonathan Otto
You see how it’s expensive. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. The page for it is neutral as well, so everything about it should be very neutral. Interesting. Like you. Yeah, you’ve got that sitting at like a, like a 6.5 on a page. It varies like to be a little bit more said a little bit more about this. On the other hand, I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a 12 page.

01:43:23:05 – 01:43:24:00
Nathan Crane
Oh, my gosh.

01:43:24:01 – 01:43:26:16
Jonathan Otto
Alcohol’s a super alkaline. What do you think this is?

01:43:27:02 – 01:43:30:16
Nathan Crane
Aged. Aged urine. Yeah. Can’t even.

01:43:30:16 – 01:43:30:24
Nathan Crane
Open.

01:43:30:24 – 01:43:33:07
Jonathan Otto
And that’s testing strength.

01:43:33:17 – 01:43:36:14
Nathan Crane
How? How? Oh, my dear. This dark brown.

01:43:37:05 – 01:43:39:05
Jonathan Otto
Good. It’s crazy. And then, like, if.

01:43:39:05 – 01:43:41:20
Nathan Crane
You like, be.

01:43:42:04 – 01:43:45:17
Jonathan Otto
Kind of like crystals forming there, like you can’t quite see it, but it’s.

01:43:45:18 – 01:43:49:11
Nathan Crane
Oh, it’s like I sure it’s not like a fungus growing in there.

01:43:50:11 – 01:43:51:22
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, exactly.

01:43:51:22 – 01:43:55:01
Nathan Crane
It looks like a SCOBY. Like, have you ever you know.

01:43:55:02 – 01:43:57:12
Jonathan Otto
It’s totally like a Scobey. It’s like it’s own mother kind of thing.

01:43:57:12 – 01:44:13:17
Nathan Crane
Yeah. A symbiotic colony of bacteria needs that you make kombucha out of. I used to make kombucha and you make it with the dead. It looks starts. SCOBY starts to create little offshoots of, like, bacteria and yeast like that. But we drink the kombucha and it can be, which is healthy for exactly.

01:44:13:17 – 01:44:32:21
Jonathan Otto
And I think like it’s, you know, to beat you to me is like a little debatable, like in the sense that like if that doesn’t interface with your body, then it’s not really going to help you, whatever the alcohol content or whatever. So I personally don’t do commission, but here’s the kombucha that I will do. This is my own urine.

01:44:33:03 – 01:44:53:13
Jonathan Otto
You know, once we do this because I, I told you about urine, but like I’m more about doing the aged urine enemas and soaking in the urine. But like people that do the drinking, like they swear by it. And if you’re just doing it a bit here and there or you’re mixing it together, I have done this where I blended it together with like like a smoothie.

01:44:53:13 – 01:45:07:21
Jonathan Otto
And it, it did blend it did kind of go away with like a banana and like vegan protein shake it. I kind of like it wasn’t that bad. But if you do the urine with like a smoothie or green juice, something like that, it ends up tasting like, fine. Like.

01:45:08:09 – 01:45:10:09
Nathan Crane
So how long? How long did you age that for?

01:45:11:05 – 01:45:13:09
Jonathan Otto
This one is probably two months. Like three and.

01:45:13:19 – 01:45:16:06
Nathan Crane
Oh, my gosh. And how and how did you.

01:45:17:19 – 01:45:19:04
Jonathan Otto
Just put it in this jar?

01:45:19:04 – 01:45:22:18
Nathan Crane
So you seal the jar and you put it in a dark, cold cupboard.

01:45:22:18 – 01:45:44:08
Jonathan Otto
And it doesn’t there nobody like has any science to prove any on that. And I mean, obviously that wait for our study but they I don’t know if they say exactly what type of room they put it in, but it was airtight flasks in there. Example, a lot of people who’ve done this historically have actually had it. So it’s exposed to the sun in the moon and getting charged by that.

01:45:44:16 – 01:45:46:22
Jonathan Otto
Something like, I don’t know, I can’t like, how’d.

01:45:46:22 – 01:45:49:01
Nathan Crane
You do it? You just leave it out on a table or well.

01:45:49:14 – 01:45:58:11
Jonathan Otto
Just put it I just put it out of people’s way because I am like the anti urine therapy. Police are always around ready to strike.

01:45:58:11 – 01:46:02:01
Nathan Crane
At your kids. Your kids are like, Dad, what are you doing drinking urine again?

01:46:02:01 – 01:46:05:14
Jonathan Otto
But now that you know that they’re on my team.

01:46:06:17 – 01:46:10:05
Nathan Crane
They’re like they’re like. I don’t want to drink your urine. Keep that off the kitchen counter.

01:46:11:18 – 01:46:26:06
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, exactly. No, but like, you know, my my nanny, right. Cleaning staff, my wife’s like secretary that comes in. Like, I’m like the closet urine therapy guy.

01:46:26:10 – 01:46:30:05
Nathan Crane
I got. All right. All right. Let’s watch.

01:46:30:05 – 01:46:34:08
Nathan Crane
You. That’s why you drink this stuff.

01:46:34:08 – 01:46:44:10
Jonathan Otto
It smells like strong. I don’t necessarily want to say it smells bad, but it smells strong. Like, if I smell that right now, I’m like it’s smell like one. It smells like alcohol.

01:46:45:08 – 01:46:48:14
Nathan Crane
So it’s probably fermented. Maybe there is alcohol in it.

01:46:49:05 – 01:46:57:06
Jonathan Otto
Dude. Like, it smells like I’m just sniffing turpentine right now. That’s what I can tell you, like, smell like I’m sniffing turpentine, like it’s getting myself.

01:46:57:10 – 01:47:12:18
Nathan Crane
You should find a way to test the alcohol content. So if it’s for if it’s fermenting something in it might be converting into alcohol through, well, aging. But you’re not like you didn’t add anything to it. No, not fermented. Right So it’s.

01:47:12:21 – 01:47:15:14
Jonathan Otto
Like all the compounds in there, like it’s fading off itself.

01:47:15:14 – 01:47:34:12
Nathan Crane
Like you use this fruit or grapes or whatever, you can ferment them into alcohol. The sugar content basically converts into alcohol. But that would mean if your urine is converting alcohol, there’s some kind of sugar content in there, glucose or fructose or something in the urine that’s. Converting it into alcohol, maybe?

01:47:35:17 – 01:47:36:22
Nathan Crane
Mm hmm. Yeah. I don’t know.

01:47:37:01 – 01:47:38:12
Nathan Crane
I’m just theorizing. I don’t know.

01:47:38:15 – 01:47:42:21
Jonathan Otto
No, I like. Yeah, that’s. You can come in. Oh.

01:47:43:09 – 01:47:43:23
Nathan Crane
I’m sorry.

01:47:45:10 – 01:47:47:11
Nathan Crane
We’re going to ask John Doe drink is a urine.

01:47:50:01 – 01:47:54:01
Nathan Crane
That she had to get. Oh, yeah. I’ll get you.

01:47:54:01 – 01:48:01:06
Jonathan Otto
I was. Yeah, I got it. Okay. Ready?

01:48:01:06 – 01:48:05:21
Nathan Crane
That wasn’t that bad. No. So I.

01:48:05:21 – 01:48:07:20
Nathan Crane
So you squint like you were kind of like.

01:48:07:20 – 01:48:08:03
Nathan Crane
Yeah.

01:48:08:13 – 01:48:23:00
Jonathan Otto
Like like the problem is holding it down because that that it can be easy to try to vomit it up because the alcohol level is too high, not because it’s disgusting. So like, you can’t do a lot of it. I’ve done a lot of it and it’s been good.

01:48:23:11 – 01:48:25:01
Nathan Crane
But I think like those.

01:48:25:01 – 01:48:32:21
Jonathan Otto
Close or for a second.

01:48:32:21 – 01:48:43:01
Nathan Crane
All right, it’s official. I’m drinking my own urine for the first time in my life and I’m still alive. I am still alive.

01:48:43:05 – 01:48:44:20
Nathan Crane
More or.

01:48:46:23 – 01:48:51:18
Jonathan Otto
And but yeah, man. Let me see. What was the last thing that we were saying?

01:48:51:23 – 01:48:54:09
Nathan Crane
Well, you were just drinking your urine. You said it wasn’t that bad.

01:48:55:13 – 01:49:16:24
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, after doing that, now I’m not feeling like it is as bad as what I thought. And I could. I could do that every day. I would do that before injecting peptides. I tell you that because I, I’ve injected peptides like ten shots a day and even if I was just doing one shot a day, I prefer to take a swing at that than injecting myself even once with a peptide.

01:49:16:24 – 01:49:35:13
Jonathan Otto
Even though I wouldn’t say that peptides it painful, I would just say it’s like a bit of discomfort, which I don’t love injecting myself. I don’t I’m not that against it. But yeah, that kind of gives you a bit of a nutshell on there. It’s not that bad, you know what I mean?

01:49:35:13 – 01:49:45:12
Nathan Crane
Well, it’s official. I have drinking in my own urine the first time in my life at 36 years old and. And I’m still alive. It didn’t kill me.

01:49:47:04 – 01:49:48:08
Nathan Crane
Exactly. I’m impressed.

01:49:48:08 – 01:50:13:17
Nathan Crane
And I’m actually really serious that I am going to do some blood testing and then I’m going to do some urine therapy for a while, experiment with it, and then see what happens. I’m not going to change anything else and then see what happens when I do the follow up blood tests after, I don’t know. I think it seems like like our friend said, he started really noticing things after about two months.

01:50:13:22 – 01:50:24:23
Nathan Crane
So yeah, maybe I was just aggressive. Maybe do it for like two months or something before he stuck it. Well, you know, I can I mean, I could do a blood test every 30 days or something, see what happens.

01:50:25:18 – 01:50:27:16
Nathan Crane
Hmm? Yeah.

01:50:29:14 – 01:50:31:22
Nathan Crane
All right. What do you. What are you showing? What are you showing us here? What is this?

01:50:32:04 – 01:50:58:14
Jonathan Otto
But this is like a couple quick things here. This is the one that we went through. But look at examples like if someone just Googles stem cells in urine and scientists create brain cells from human urine, these are all back like that’s the 2012 study. They’re they’re in vitro, obviously. Sorry in vivo. Sorry. And like I grow a human tooth inside of the kidney of a mouse.

01:50:58:14 – 01:51:29:22
Jonathan Otto
I wait. Is that so? It’s just showing that the kidney, the stem cells work and. They they do generate tissue. His he’s the one from nature and 20 and 12 nature dot com brain cells made from human urine and like here what’s interesting is look at that segment there if I can move my sector here if I move that, look at how it says here.

01:51:29:22 – 01:52:09:22
Jonathan Otto
One of the experiments produced around colonies of reprogramed cells, bottom paragraph from urine that resembled pluripotent stem cells after only 12 days, about half the time usually required to produce induced pluripotent stem cells. When cultured further, the colonies took on the Rosetta shape common to neural stem cells. So showing how like this this is all showing that they’re viable they they translate and here’s the another study and this was in the mice they found that when they transfer them again that they would not form tumors in the brains of the mice and like you just see this in every case, which is amazing.

01:52:11:04 – 01:52:14:23
Jonathan Otto
And and then you see like examples like this, like, go.

01:52:14:23 – 01:52:38:01
Nathan Crane
Back, go back, go quick. Sorry. This is crazy because I just want to be that person. So your interest ends up here despite being buds, human urine contains a small population of cells with self-renewal, capacity and differentiation potential in the several cell types being derived. I mean, that’s self-renewal and differentiation. I mean, that alone is very interesting specifically for you, regeneration.

01:52:39:04 – 01:52:53:11
Nathan Crane
I’m going down regenerative medicine with great potential in regenerative medicine applications. Yeah, I’ve actually read that. I remember reading that study again when I was starting to look into this a little bit.

01:52:53:11 – 01:52:57:03
Jonathan Otto
That is that’s awesome. And this was the one that I just prepared recently.

01:52:57:06 – 01:53:01:01
Nathan Crane
Check this one.

01:53:01:01 – 01:53:34:14
Jonathan Otto
Like this University of Chicago has stem cell therapies provide new ways to stop tumors from spreading or growing back. It’s just amazing. Like differentiation therapy, how to cause the stem cells to then become non cancerous cells. How do you mature? So, so like this. This explains how stem cells are actually like Trojan horses for cancer. In essence, because cancer stem cells can be directly targeted to stop their growth or turned into Trojan horses.

01:53:34:14 – 01:53:49:20
Jonathan Otto
This is that attack. Other tumor cells like my way of explaining this is if you can educate a cancer stem cell to become a healthy cell, it helps to educate the other stem cells, cancer stem cells.

01:53:49:20 – 01:53:52:16
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s fascinating. What is this from which paper is this from?

01:53:53:13 – 01:54:04:02
Jonathan Otto
This is the University of Chicago. And the article is called How STEM Cell Therapies Can Provide New Ways to Stop Tumors from Spreading Or Growing Back.

01:54:04:02 – 01:54:10:11
Nathan Crane
Now. Now, they were they were looking at stem cells, urine or just mesenchymal.

01:54:10:13 – 01:54:35:01
Jonathan Otto
Exactly. Mesenchymal stem cells. And that’s what and so like this, researchers can also genetically engineered stem cells to express a protein that binds to desired target in a cancer cell, increasing the efficacy of treatments by releasing drugs right at the tumor, for example, mesenchymal cells derived from bone marrow naturally migrate toward and stick to tumors and can be used to deliver cancer drugs directly to cancer cells.

01:54:35:10 – 01:55:00:06
Jonathan Otto
This was the part that I mentioned before about like the top paragraph there, hormones and cytokines like play the key role in cell communication and can stimulate stem cells to mature and lose their ability to regenerate. It followed it. Forcing cancer stem cells to differentiate into more mature cells could subsequently stop them from uncontrollably, making them become normal cells.

01:55:00:13 – 01:55:20:01
Jonathan Otto
And then, like this one from 2008, you’ll love this one and I love these these findings and the words that they have to use in studies is may and and I’m saying, yes, the May is like true it may do this. But the reason why they’re saying that is because it’s it’s really showing this amazing regulatory ability that you’re into.

01:55:20:01 – 01:55:45:21
Jonathan Otto
Right. STEM cells have stem cells possess regenerative powers and multidirectional differentiation potential and play an important role in disease treatment and basic medical research. Urine derived stem cells represent a newly discovered type of stem cell with biological characteristics similar to those of mesenchymal stromal cells, including that doubling time and immuno phenotype. You get that. So, so now you’ve got that data.

01:55:45:21 – 01:55:58:21
Nathan Crane
So one thing we have to realize here is these are extracted stem cells. So they’re not using all of urine. And that’s going to be a big, you know, point of.

01:55:58:21 – 01:55:59:23
Jonathan Otto
No exactly.

01:55:59:24 – 01:56:11:05
Nathan Crane
Is, hey, we’ve just taken the stem cells out of the urine for these studies. We’re not looking at studies using the full urine. We’ve we’ve got rid of all the metabolites and the waste byproducts. Right.

01:56:11:16 – 01:56:14:02
Jonathan Otto
So like alleged. Yeah, exactly.

01:56:14:02 – 01:56:19:07
Nathan Crane
Alleged waste. Exactly. So it’s just something to take into consideration here for people listening.

01:56:19:07 – 01:56:42:13
Jonathan Otto
100%. Like at this point, what we’ve got to do is like you’ve got to look at like this blank canvas and put you’re putting dots all over the page and looking at things independently and making sure you understand what they do and don’t say. And and so, like, you know, this to me has validity in the use of at home urine therapy, of oral consumption and aging urine and these various things.

01:56:42:13 – 01:57:11:12
Jonathan Otto
Because this has been done through centuries, actually millennia, thousands of years, cultures have passed this down. This was used as a cancer treatment throughout. Actually, I can show you this in like the medieval or the like the 13th century. I can show you it through, you know, various points in history and how it was used for like how the Jews survived bubonic plague using your urine therapy with the the cleanliness rules that they had from Leviticus.

01:57:11:21 – 01:57:31:13
Jonathan Otto
Like there’s so many different things that I used then to like put things together to form the picture and hence why the book Urine Perfect Medicine which I’ll, I’ll end on that. So just show a couple of pages there so people can see how it’s citing different reference points so that you can then kind of understand the whole concept behind it.

01:57:31:13 – 01:57:55:01
Jonathan Otto
And then you get, then you get more used to in this case, the case studies where people were just directly either drinking urine, but some of the case studies I’ll bring up with that are also like injections of extracts of, urine, like I mentioned, with Tony Jimenez. But what’s interesting with those is they all ignore the stem cell aspect because they naturally are looking for that and they’re kind of extracting the antigens typically.

01:57:55:01 – 01:57:55:07
Jonathan Otto
Well, I.

01:57:55:07 – 01:57:56:02
Nathan Crane
Want to point out that.

01:57:56:03 – 01:57:56:13
Jonathan Otto
Line.

01:57:57:04 – 01:58:06:02
Nathan Crane
Hey, I was going to say maybe you can read the same thing where it says the urine stem cells may play regulatory roles. Yes in the.

01:58:06:12 – 01:58:14:01
Jonathan Otto
Bringing up you talk about it I like that you understand how important each of the categories they bring up there and how important that is for cancer right.

01:58:14:06 – 01:58:41:16
Nathan Crane
As well. And just health in general, it says in the cellular immune system, oxidative stress, revascularization, apoptosis, apoptosis and, autophagy. So yeah, everything they’re in for cancer, but also, you know, just for healthy cellular regeneration in general in disease risk prevention and all cause mortality. Risk prevention. I mean, that’s that’s really fascinating stuff for sure.

01:58:42:09 – 01:59:25:14
Jonathan Otto
Exactly. And and that point you’re making, the next one, this review summarizes the application of USC’s in tissue regeneration and various disease treatments. Furthermore, by analyzing their limitations, we anticipate the development of more feasible therapeutic strategies to promote urine derived, stem cell based, individualized treatment and the like. If people understand, you know, the aging process, if we if we have it, we can feel confident in the ability for the urine to cross the intestinal, you know, the through the through the like doing it rectally through the intestinal wall or through getting through the stomach acid, which I’m like, I’m 100% convinced that that’s exactly what they’re designed to do.

01:59:26:11 – 01:59:53:06
Jonathan Otto
They’re made that way. And like, that’s why babies continue to do it when they have a form stomach and like in the third trimester as an example. But like this was the one I mentioned from 1966 bringing cancer cells into line. So this was an example where it was just, you know, this urine extract, what in a culture medium with urine and then and they’re lining and then in straight rows.

01:59:53:18 – 01:59:55:04
Jonathan Otto
Okay. And then you.

01:59:55:04 – 01:59:58:15
Nathan Crane
Have an image of that. I think you send it to me. Right, and you send me an image of that or. No.

02:00:00:04 – 02:00:06:21
Jonathan Otto
I yeah, I like of when they had an image like photographs of these types of things might be different photographs.

02:00:06:21 – 02:00:08:22
Nathan Crane
Under a microscope, maybe it’s different.

02:00:09:12 – 02:00:11:06
Jonathan Otto
A different one. Yeah, that was definitely.

02:00:11:08 – 02:00:22:08
Nathan Crane
So by the way, send me, send me an email with all the links to the major resources that you reference will do. We can put all those in the show notes so people can dig deeper into this stuff.

02:00:23:07 – 02:00:35:09
Jonathan Otto
And do you like this one? From the Journal of Medical, American American Medical Association from 1954, more scientific have probably been published on this substance than any other organic compound.

02:00:35:24 – 02:00:37:04
Nathan Crane
And that’s crazy.

02:00:37:18 – 02:00:52:11
Jonathan Otto
But this one from Science magazine, 1963, certain fractions of the substance have an inhibitory action on the growth of malignant tumors in mice, while smaller doses might it, while smaller doses growth, bigger ones make the tumors regress.

02:00:53:06 – 02:00:59:20
Nathan Crane
Science magazine, 1963. They’re talking about urine specifically, huh? That’s crazy.

02:00:59:20 – 02:01:04:05
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, isn’t it about like and then what was this one for therapy.

02:01:04:05 – 02:01:24:07
Nathan Crane
Now it’s starting to make now is starting to make sense. I mean these are from fifties and sixties. Yeah. And we know, you know, any effective holistic therapies that start gaining traction, you know, get squashed by the powers that be that don’t want their bank accounts messed with.

02:01:25:09 – 02:01:54:00
Jonathan Otto
Exactly. And it was it was that one George talked. George Thompson was the medical doctor. And this was in this was in Europe. And he brought with his 300 doctors 12 years study brought it before this symposium, the medical boards. And you know, by the year 1948, it finally got published in the British Medical Journal. But even that was published in the British British Medical Journal that the page 11 extract was proven to stop the progression of cancer.

02:01:54:09 – 02:02:13:08
Jonathan Otto
The medical board would not accept it as a treatment, even though it was still passed to get published. So that gives you an example of why and we see this today where we’re seeing examples of things that are being published. So we have access to them, yet they’re not being practiced anywhere so effectual. Effectively the information in in the public becomes useless.

02:02:13:08 – 02:02:29:24
Jonathan Otto
But because of these platforms that we have, we can talk about it, give people access to things that have been discarded and say, do you do you think it should have been discarded? Do you want to do it? You know, you it’s a free country. It’s a free world is if you if you want it to for you, you have at it if you want that.

02:02:30:19 – 02:02:54:12
Jonathan Otto
So yeah, you can see why. Now there’s a Dr. group was telling me that we, we’ve been lied to about sex. So I read a couple of books that he recommended. So I’m interested in that and finding out like what, what, how our bodies designed to do this is one of the ways I got taught and trained. So I’m like, I always look at things deeply.

02:02:54:24 – 02:03:25:17
Jonathan Otto
It’s a if anyone glanced at my book collection there. So these are some of the resources then to like go over and look at and you can read you can go case by case in these they’re all different types of diseases and the like. I mean, I keep going back to cancer because of your interest in cancer. And like there’s a lot of doctors that are in your inner circle with with cancer.

02:03:25:17 – 02:03:37:10
Jonathan Otto
And so I kind of bring it up because it’s it’s the Holy Grail. It’s the one that’s like you don’t really feel you got too much of a shot if you get aggressive cancer. And and so it’s why I kind of use that as a case in point.

02:03:37:18 – 02:03:38:14
Nathan Crane
What book is this from?

02:03:39:12 – 02:03:41:24
Jonathan Otto
This is your own perfect by myself. Christy.

02:03:42:14 – 02:03:49:08
Nathan Crane
I just saw something there. They found like for tuberculosis. You passed one that was talking about that.

02:03:49:18 – 02:03:53:04
Jonathan Otto
Yeah, exactly. Me which page you saw that pop up on?

02:03:54:04 – 02:04:06:10
Nathan Crane
Uh, I think it was back the other way, but it was just showing and their bactericidal effect of urea. Urea is a is that an enzyme from urine? What is your EPA from urine.

02:04:06:21 – 02:04:34:05
Jonathan Otto
Yeah. Yeah, urea is. It’s I know it’s not an enzyme. There’s about 30 enzymes in urine, by the way. That’s pretty cool, right. But it’s I mean, these are interesting because they’re all just words that are describing things like definitely your kinase is an enzyme that is in like a significant portion in urine. It’s why it’s getting extracted from urinals for the for the drug your kidneys.

02:04:35:01 – 02:04:41:19
Jonathan Otto
But I’m sorry. Yeah, your kidneys is the drug, but it’s just the enzyme that’s in urine. So it’s surprising they can even call it that.

02:04:42:21 – 02:05:14:04
Nathan Crane
It’s so they call it so they say urine is from botanica you urea is the chief nitrogenous end product of the metabolic breakdown of proteins in all mammals in some fishes. So metabolic breakdown of proteins that’s urea. So they take the urea out, they extract urea from urine and they use that for different studies and different, different effects.

02:05:15:16 – 02:05:16:19
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Yeah.

02:05:17:10 – 02:05:22:02
Nathan Crane
Different treatment studies and things like. Yeah, interesting.

02:05:22:24 – 02:05:47:19
Jonathan Otto
Um, yeah. And so urea has been used like and in some of these cases they were injecting them directly with urea directly into the tumor and your, they have being used like to say taking the concentration of the urea and, and using it as cancer treatment and it’s urea is very heavily published like definitely hundreds of thousands of people in the United States.

02:05:47:19 – 02:05:55:06
Jonathan Otto
As one example, have used have have received urea through different means, like oral and the like.

02:05:56:15 – 02:06:00:07
Nathan Crane
And so they get that from other people, they take that from other people’s urine.

02:06:01:14 – 02:06:33:07
Jonathan Otto
It I am trying to work out which is which because it appears that there’s both cases as cases where they’re using the urea from like fresh peoples from actually from people’s urine. And there’s a lot of cases where they’re just simply making a compound that mimics it completely. And that is being used. So it’s like a synthetic, um, but like the experimented with the use of urea on polio and rabies viruses and found that the viruses were weakened and finally destroyed the by and finally destroyed urea.

02:06:33:20 – 02:06:59:04
Jonathan Otto
Um, and I’m going to just do that and look what happens when you search these kinds of documents for like cancer and like just, you know, people can download the book. So there is a website that I’d recommend everyone to check out, which is urine therapy dot com and it’s just filled with free resources and it’s doctor ed group and I just simply doing our best to educate the world on this and give people all the tools.

02:06:59:13 – 02:07:22:17
Jonathan Otto
So, you know, nobody has to like go it alone or miss out on using some of these. To me, absolutely changing therapies I there is if you gave me one therapy for cancer I’d I’d this would be mine I’d also be interested in it. I mean I’d be down with chlorine dioxide as well. I’d, I’d be fine Dr. Andre’s coca and what he’s doing with that I think it’s amazing I got to send you some videos on that.

02:07:22:23 – 02:07:24:00
Jonathan Otto
I bet I’d be.

02:07:24:00 – 02:07:27:11
Nathan Crane
Cleansing with that conversation, though. Yeah.

02:07:28:04 – 02:08:09:03
Jonathan Otto
It’s. It’s own based, right? Um, but yeah, like, there’s, there’s a lot in these, um, where you can go through all the studies that came out of these different institutions and just trying to get to some of them. This is really the research evidence and case studies. It goes, yeah, like, you know, go historically how like the 1900s and then 1906, 1915 and then the books that were being published by these doctors and then they go then they go a case by case on all different diseases and from, you know, every type of condition you can imagine.

02:08:09:03 – 02:08:30:22
Jonathan Otto
But because they were well documented and by medical doctors they while they’re anecdotal, they they’re they go and they go into the case study of B they’re going the category of being a, uh, a factual case study. And so that’s important. You read Crystals in Cancer and look at this by Dr. Miller from the Department of.

02:08:30:23 – 02:08:41:01
Nathan Crane
So you have these you have these PDFs to be downloaded on your site. Are they some of these are books first cell. Are you allowed just give their PDFs away for free.

02:08:41:22 – 02:08:55:05
Jonathan Otto
That’s a good question for doctor at group. And so because he’s some of these he’s got access to and I got permission from different places. And so he’s he’s the one that’s kind of aggregated all that. So that’s the question.

02:08:55:18 – 02:09:09:21
Nathan Crane
That’s I mean that’s cool. I just looking at your in therapy dot com and you’ve got all these resources on here in books and PDFs and people can download. I was just wondering I know after a certain time things are added to the public domain. That doesn’t matter. So I don’t know some of these books might be old.

02:09:09:21 – 02:09:12:07
Nathan Crane
They’re already in the public domain. I’m not sure exactly.

02:09:12:09 – 02:09:40:13
Jonathan Otto
And some of them have volunteered gotcha resources and things like that. But the group can answer that direct like look at this, the crystals to heal external cancers, ulcerations. It’s super important. The particular like this penetrating odor of a sloughing cancer. For the past year at the tumor clinic of the Cincinnati General Hospital, your crystals have been advocated and prescribed in such cases, they’re packed into the wound.

02:09:41:02 – 02:09:48:04
Jonathan Otto
Although they dissolve in a few minutes, the offensive character of the also becomes less with each application crystals that shape.

02:09:48:11 – 02:10:12:15
Nathan Crane
Considerable antiseptic is said. Yeah, that’s incredible. Well, I know you got your family waiting there for you. Obviously, we can. We can wrap up. This has been awesome. We’ll do we’ll have to do a follow up. Part two at some point. Yes, definitely. After definitely after. I do my own experimentation with it, do some testing and stuff and then, you know, get you back on the podcast.

02:10:12:15 – 02:10:30:18
Nathan Crane
And let’s talk about, you know, I want to talk about what things you’ve seen more research you’ve come across, more case studies. You know, I’ll share my own experience. You know, if you have somebody, you know, maybe we get Ed Groupon too, and maybe we do a conversation. He’d do it. That’d be cool. That’d be awesome. So maybe we do that.

02:10:30:18 – 02:10:48:18
Nathan Crane
And I think it’s worth exploring further. This is fascinating stuff that’s like shocking and goes against what we’ve been taught. And, um, and I think it’s, you know, if it has the potential to help people heal, then it’s worth talking about and exploring further.

02:10:49:23 – 02:11:08:11
Jonathan Otto
It’s amazing. Yeah. And it just goes in line with, with how we were made. Like, what has God made us this way? And that’s the biggest question that people need to ask themselves is if God made me this way, then is it, you know, maybe you can help me stop sharing here.

02:11:09:07 – 02:11:14:07
Nathan Crane
Oh, yeah. Um, let’s see. You should have a button there, but I guess not.

02:11:14:13 – 02:11:17:19
Jonathan Otto
I, I think there is, but, like, I’ve. I’ve got like. All right.

02:11:17:19 – 02:11:18:03
Nathan Crane
You get.

02:11:18:10 – 02:11:42:12
Jonathan Otto
Me. Yeah. So, like, you know, wrapping. Wrapping. It’s like with my children that are just filled with life and energy and like, managed it like our nanny is is off and my wife is working out and so I’m on duty. And where. But they’re yeah. And they’re really the reason why we’re doing this. Nathan Like the future of our children is everything.

02:11:42:12 – 02:12:00:15
Jonathan Otto
And like, what world do we leave with them? And part of that world that we’re leaving them with has everything to do with the knowledge that we leave them, have their ability to self-heal. And, and if I’m right, this, what it means is that God has given us a way. It’s it’s the natural design, and it’s a tool that’s there for us.

02:12:01:05 – 02:12:24:06
Jonathan Otto
And it’s one tool. There are other tools, but it may be one of the most essential ones to help us with the lack of information that we often have where we don’t know what’s going on, but our body knows and it’s water. What it truly does hold memory. And if we have that unlimited information that our body is always giving us, then we’re in safe hands and we’re going to be okay.

02:12:24:06 – 02:12:26:00
Jonathan Otto
And that’s the hope I want to leave people with.

02:12:27:02 – 02:12:33:19
Nathan Crane
So beautifully horrible. Appreciate it, man. This was awesome. You got me to drink my own urine, so congratulations. Good job.

02:12:33:19 – 02:12:36:06
Nathan Crane
Well done. Well done. Well done.

02:12:36:21 – 02:12:38:14
Nathan Crane
And to be continued.

02:12:39:23 – 02:12:41:17
Jonathan Otto
All right. Sounds great, Father. Let’s do it again.

02:12:41:17 – 02:12:43:05
Nathan Crane
Our brother must love. Take care.