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Joe shares his extraordinary journey and lessons learned from ultra-endurance challenges. From running 100-mile races to embracing a lifestyle of resilience and determination, this episode is a treasure trove of inspiration and practical wisdom.
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Audio Transcript
(This transcript was auto-generated so there may be some errors)
00:00:00:03 – 00:00:33:05
Nathan Crane
Welcome to the podcast. Thank you all for tuning in and listening here. Appreciate all of you coming in here every week to the podcast. I love having these conversations. A lot of them have been with friends and colleagues and just fascinating and amazing people that I’ve met over the years who are doing extraordinary things in their life and their health, their business, with their spiritual selves, with their life, purpose and mission on the planet, contributing to other people’s lives in an incredible way.
00:00:33:05 – 00:01:03:18
Nathan Crane
And one of those people that I think is really, truly an extraordinary person, somebody I’ve gotten to know over the past few years, who is all about the high-performance life. He has completed six Ironman triathlons. He has completed 50 ultramarathons and 40 regular marathons. He did the he ran the six marathons across six continents on six consecutive days.
00:01:04:18 – 00:01:33:00
Nathan Crane
And he also has this really fascinating background and capability to grow and scale businesses, particularly in the software industry. And so it’s this really interesting, unique combination of skills and passions and desires that are about health and self-improvement and helping others improve their lives and experience their own high-performance life and experience greater health and fulfillment in their lives.
00:01:33:00 – 00:01:59:06
Nathan Crane
And then doing that at a larger scale with scaling businesses and doing it across the health care industry as well. So Joe, today is my guest. Today is Joe Gagnon. Joe, it’s awesome. Dude, we haven’t talked. I think it’s man, but I think it’s probably been a couple of years. I support you on social media and stuff. I saw you’re doing some really cool stuff online, so I was like, Hey, let’s, let’s reconnect you, get you on a podcast.
00:01:59:06 – 00:02:01:08
Nathan Crane
So thanks for coming on, man. Happy to have you.
00:02:02:10 – 00:02:25:24
Joe Gagnon
Nathan It’s such a pleasure. You know, sometimes when we listen to these intros, we’re like, they talking about me, you know, like when I went to school in the Bronx for eight years, like I was high school and college and sort of never had a view that any of that would have been possible. You know, it’d be like this sort of like someone handed you, you know, 30 years ago, what would happen in 30 years?
00:02:25:24 – 00:03:00:18
Joe Gagnon
You’d be like, Oh, come on, that’s not really going to happen. And then, you know, just like you, you realize that what you put into it, you get out of it in and then it just builds. And then you sort of like the crazy part is like you build more and then it’s another foundation layer and then you go deeper and like it’s been just a joy, you know, it’s been it’s trying to get reconnected with you and to get this conversation going, because I think that the more that we share what we’ve both been able to do, the more that would probably excite others to give it the same effort.
00:03:00:18 – 00:03:03:14
Joe Gagnon
Right. And you get a great return out of that. So thanks for having me on.
00:03:03:21 – 00:03:28:00
Nathan Crane
Yeah, absolutely. I’m excited to I want to hear some things about kind of dig into and unravel your mindset and and the resilience that you’ve cultivated in yourself to be able to do all of these extraordinary feats and to kind of tee that up. I want to share my own experience with an ultramarathon so I don’t have a running background.
00:03:28:04 – 00:03:51:01
Nathan Crane
I never really ran in my life in early grade school. I did some running sports, I did like soccer and stuff like that. But you know, by 17, 18 years old, I was not running at all. And then I never really did any running at all after that until I was, I think around 27, 28 started running a little bit just to kind of like overcome some stress and like a little bit depression.
00:03:51:01 – 00:04:06:23
Nathan Crane
I was going through with a big business failure that had happened and I was just like, I just need to go for a run. Which was interesting, right? Because I had never really ran before. I had this encounter with this man in Costa Rica who was like in his sixties running up and down the volcanoes. And he like invited me to go for a run with him.
00:04:07:08 – 00:04:22:04
Nathan Crane
And I finished and I felt amazing. I was like, this was incredible. Went back home and then kind of had this big business challenge. I was like, I’m going to go for a run. And all of a sudden I was hooked on trail running. I was running in the trails, you know, a mile, half mile, mile, two miles.
00:04:22:19 – 00:04:41:09
Nathan Crane
And then it was like, how my mind works is like, Oh, let’s sign up for an ultramarathon. You know, I read, I read well, I read Born to Run. And then I started following a bunch of runners online and then found Ultra and started watching Ultra Marathon, stuff like that. And it was like, I’d never ran a half marathon, never ran a marathon.
00:04:41:09 – 00:05:02:01
Nathan Crane
Of course I signed up for an ultra marathon, but this was not a hundred mile or 50 miles was 35 miles through the mountains in Prescott, Arizona. But I was trying to build up, you know, the volume to be able to do that. I mean, even people who run 35 milers are, you know, running at least 50 miles or more a week, right?
00:05:02:07 – 00:05:20:01
Nathan Crane
Yeah. I could never get above 30 miles a week. My body would just like break down every time because I didn’t have that background in running. You know, it’s like my feet would hurt so bad. My calves, my knees, my joints, they would just I just didn’t have that volume. But but short of it is I made it to the ultra.
00:05:20:09 – 00:05:52:08
Nathan Crane
I had realistically like six months of actual running up to that point. All I want to do is finish it. I did finish it and it was like I went through that. It took me like 8 hours to do it. And in that 8 hours, as we ran around the city, in the mountains, I actually felt like I ran around the world and it was a year of my life that was the feeling that I had of like the ups and downs, the mental, emotional experiences, the the fight and resilience I had to go through to keep putting one foot in front of the other.
00:05:52:08 – 00:06:12:04
Nathan Crane
When I was going through excruciating pain, like when I finished, it was just this amazing sigh of relief and like ecstasy and joy at the same time. My daughter ran across the finish line with me. I was, you know, tears coming out and it was just like I accomplished something that, you know, almost seemed impossible to me. And to real ultra runners.
00:06:12:04 – 00:06:30:22
Nathan Crane
They look at that and go, yeah, whatever. But, you know, at some point everyone has to start somewhere, you know, I know that’s nothing like a 50 or 100 miler, but for me that was like a thousand miles. You know, it was 35 miles at that time. And it was so extraordinary. And it gave me that next level of confidence I needed in my life and my business to continue forward.
00:06:32:10 – 00:07:08:09
Nathan Crane
But what I wanted to say about that was the the fact that I set out to achieve something to me that seemed almost near impossible, trained for it, and then actually accomplished it was was extraordinary and was so life regenerating for me. And then I look at your accolades and background having done, you know, what, 50 ultramarathons. And I know many of those are from 50 to 50 mile to 100 mile in the fact that you have have accomplished all of that.
00:07:09:01 – 00:07:26:23
Nathan Crane
What is that felt like for you? Like I said, that 8 hours at 35 miles for me felt like a year added to my life. A year in a good way. Not like I lost a year. It was like I just gained a year of wisdom. And experience is what I felt like I could imagine for you. You know, maybe that’s like 100 years at this point.
00:07:26:23 – 00:07:28:12
Nathan Crane
I don’t know. What’s that been like for you?
00:07:30:06 – 00:07:50:20
Joe Gagnon
Well, you know, congrats on on that accomplishment. They’re all amazing. And we know that, you know, the the journey of a thousand steps starts with the one, you know, if we go back just a little bit, you know, what I found, as I’ve reflected, you know, I think medicine is so easy to somewhat in reflection to better characterize what we do.
00:07:51:05 – 00:08:12:00
Joe Gagnon
But maybe when we’re going through, we’re not so sure we actually know what we’re doing. But, you know, the first half of my business career, I graduated college, so that worked well actually have really nice financial success, business success. And I took I had everything everyone wanted, you know, I had this, you know, I had the BMW in the big house.
00:08:12:00 – 00:08:31:08
Joe Gagnon
I was married, had two kids, the country club. I was, you know, with a lot of money in my pocket. And, you know, there I am, you know, in my late thirties saying, like, is that it? Like, is that the end of the story? Like, my life is going to just be that for the next 50 or 60 years and it felt like really empty, to be perfectly honest.
00:08:31:08 – 00:08:53:02
Joe Gagnon
And so I didn’t really know what the answer was going to be, but I knew it had to be something more. I knew it had to be finding that I had maximized maybe my potential. There, but I had so much more that I needed to find out. So it started with that one mile and that one push up, and it started to try and find out how to build strength at a different level within my system.
00:08:53:02 – 00:09:16:05
Joe Gagnon
Not just some intellectual strength, but some physical strength, have some resiliency. You know, I got pretty good at the the challenge of work and the failures and the successes. And I had sort of created a good resiliency there. And I thought, well, I could translate that into more. So it started with I never thought I’d run a marathon, let alone ultramarathon.
00:09:16:05 – 00:09:44:19
Joe Gagnon
I didn’t know what they were. The Ironman thing was absolutely ridiculous because I never swum more like five five laps in a pool. So all of it was very foreign and not in the plan. This was just sort of try and do a little more with myself. And so what happened been some of the key triggers were like, okay, number one, what was the accountability model going to be that would allow me to succeed over time?
00:09:45:06 – 00:10:06:07
Joe Gagnon
It is is one of the things that happens is often we get curious and we go to start something and then we don’t stick with it because we haven’t really. And so finally I created a spreadsheet with my accountability partner, was filling a spreadsheet in every day. What did I do today? And so I never liked not filling it in, which is how I went from doing one day to three days to five days to seven days.
00:10:06:15 – 00:10:23:04
Joe Gagnon
And then, you know, for the past 11 years, I’ve done it every day, done something because I want to fill the spreadsheet in. And so I have this mirror in front of me of what I’ve committed to and what I’ve done. And, you know, we could go look at it and find out what I did on a Thursday in 2005, for example.
00:10:23:13 – 00:10:47:08
Joe Gagnon
So it was part one. Part two was that I realized that the more sincere about it I was, the better I got at it. And so here it was interesting. You know, I wasn’t an athlete in high school or college. I had never had any of that kind of success. But I found that the time I was putting in the reasonable training plan and a commitment to myself, it started getting better and it was like, Wow, this is pretty interesting.
00:10:47:08 – 00:11:10:19
Joe Gagnon
I’m getting faster, I’m stronger. So I started not just running. I started doing push ups and pull ups and sit ups, and I started like creating, you know, the 20 year old version of me. Now I’m in my forties. I’m like, Man, this is sort of crazy. I’m stronger, faster and better than I was. So then the other thing, the third dimension for me was, you know, I always think about this like consumer versus creator.
00:11:11:02 – 00:11:33:07
Joe Gagnon
Maybe we can consume a lot, but I’d rather create. But there’s this energy inside of us that starts to bubble up. The more you use it, the more it wants to come out. And we sit on this latent capability every day that’s like sitting ready to go. We don’t touch it. So I started writing sort of blogging about my activities and even caring whether everyone would even listen.
00:11:33:07 – 00:12:04:17
Joe Gagnon
I was writing out to the world publishing, you know, now. Nathan, just this past week I’ve gotten 4000 blog posts in a row, done it every day for over 11 years. And, you know, and so that’s incredible. But little by little, I started liking the county. I liked the accountability. But what really happened was that I started to just believe in myself at a deeper level, you know, like, yeah, I had done what everyone else thought you should do good business, career, take care of the family, make some money.
00:12:04:24 – 00:12:25:13
Joe Gagnon
And then I thought, well, I hadn’t developed me no is starting to learn how to develop me and feeling really good about that. And you know, I don’t know for the first ten years, I don’t think anyone even knew what I did because it really wasn’t it wasn’t there to celebrate for everyone else. I wanted to create in me sort of this commitment to myself that I could deliver on.
00:12:25:13 – 00:12:50:16
Joe Gagnon
And when you talk about how good you felt at the end of that race, I often feel really great because, you know, if I can make a commitment to myself and deliver on it, then probably can do anything. And so, you know, I can keep going, but I’ll stop there for a second because I think that, you know, what really took a lot of time and this is over 20 years of this commitment I reframed my entire life.
00:12:50:16 – 00:13:19:11
Joe Gagnon
Now I have a purpose. Now my purpose is even more, more deeply into how I can help other people be a role model for what’s possible. Remember, I started with no special skills. I started with $0 in the bank. I had only one advantage a loving family. That’s what I had that was it, you know, the rest was just, hey, don’t go give it a shot.
00:13:19:11 – 00:13:25:08
Joe Gagnon
And what’s going to happen? Let’s go find out. And it’s been just amazing throughout.
00:13:27:03 – 00:13:55:17
Nathan Crane
Now, what I’ve noticed in my own life as I’ve gotten committed to a physical or challenging pursuit of my own inner greatness, right through physical activity. So it started as ultra well, that ultra marathon. And then it was the question at that time was, okay, I want to get better at this, right? And I want to keep doing it.
00:13:55:17 – 00:14:18:12
Nathan Crane
I want to get better at it. So I was researching and then I came across Iron Man. I thought, Oh, that’d be interesting. Same thing. I never swam before. Learn how to swim, bike. I like biking, you know, that would be a great challenge. And that same time, my brother, you’ve met my brother Derek, my younger brother, he introduced me to CrossFit and I saw CrossFit and I thought, yeah, this could help me get better at running, right?
00:14:18:12 – 00:14:31:14
Nathan Crane
Do this a couple of days a week. He first told me about CrossFit and I was like, That sounds stupid. Why would you ever do that? And then I looked more into it. I was like, Oh, that’s actually pretty interesting. Yeah, I see a lot of athletes use CrossFit to get better at their sport. I was like, I’ll go check it out.
00:14:31:14 – 00:14:47:03
Nathan Crane
And so, you know, I went to a class and I was like, Oh, this is freakin awesome. You know, you’re like dead at the end of a 12 minute workout laying on the floor. Your heart’s beating a million miles a second, and you’re covered in sweat. Everyone around you is the same way, and it’s like you feel unbelievably accomplished, right?
00:14:47:03 – 00:15:04:05
Nathan Crane
You went through this major challenge and it was like, Oh, now you feel amazing. The endorphins release and all that stuff. And so after that I went to like three or four more classes and then I was hooked. I was like, This is what I want to do, and I want to pursue this not only as a sport but like as a profession one day.
00:15:04:14 – 00:15:28:22
Nathan Crane
And so I’ve been actually committed to that for the last six years now. So it was either going to be ultra Ironman or CrossFit ended up being CrossFit. And along these last six years of being fully committed and dedicated to this as a sport, as a as a as a challenging thing that I get myself to do it every single day is that it’s made me a better person.
00:15:29:10 – 00:15:57:05
Nathan Crane
I’ve significantly made me a better person. It’s made me better at my business. It’s made me better with my family. It’s made me better with my wife and my kids. It’s made me better in every area of my life, obviously, physically, mentally, emotionally. And I wonder if that’s the same with you, that as you started, you know, you were feeling empty even though you had this glamorous life that most people aspire to the money, the cars, the house, all this stuff.
00:15:57:05 – 00:16:19:23
Nathan Crane
And yet you felt completely empty, which is very common for many people, especially if they don’t have a real deep sense of purpose. And you start running and you start setting goals and you start getting better and you’re doing push ups and pull ups and things like that, right. And seeing your progress over the time as you committed to, you know, these challenging feats is Iron Man’s in marathons and ultramarathons.
00:16:19:23 – 00:16:34:16
Nathan Crane
Did you notice that in your own life that not only you felt better because we know any physical exercise is going to make you feel better. But did you start to notice those unintended, unintended, positive consequences of like every area of your life also getting better over time?
00:16:36:07 – 00:16:58:13
Joe Gagnon
Yeah. You know, this simple answer is yes, 100% that there’s some things that people have certainly made into somewhat of a trite statement, you know, like being comfortable while you’re uncomfortable kind of thing. But really at the end of the day, like we are a system, right? And this system works very well when you use it well, right?
00:16:58:13 – 00:17:25:12
Joe Gagnon
When you treat it well, it responds really well. And every time you do that, it builds confidence in anything that you want to take on because struggle is something we should sort of seek out. It isn’t like to hide from, you know, it isn’t like the pain of a broken leg, the pain of suffering is an internal struggle to get the system to go where it needs to do because really homeostasis, right?
00:17:25:12 – 00:17:53:13
Joe Gagnon
This idea of balance is a primitive concept. But we were when we were hunter gatherers, we needed to stay still because we didn’t have a source of energy and we tried to burn as little as possible and we’ve carried that forward. And so it makes us somewhat sedentary naturally by evolution. But the truth of the matter is, we were actually a physical system that can respond very well to stimulus.
00:17:53:20 – 00:18:22:20
Joe Gagnon
And every time you stimulate it, it gives you a good response. You know, the neurotransmitters of dopamine and oxytocin and serotonin and the rest of them are all geared towards making our system continue to develop right. It motivates us. So you got to sort of trigger it. So it is absolutely not correlated. It’s causal. It’s causal for improvements in your life every time you test another part of our system.
00:18:23:04 – 00:18:41:10
Joe Gagnon
And you know, these are simple like it’s like we love sports analogies because they’re simple. But, you know, doing one push up, ten push ups, 100 push ups, you know, then I set out this year to do 100,000 push ups, you know, not because you couldn’t do it or others couldn’t. It’s just it’s actually the process of holding that together for a year.
00:18:42:07 – 00:18:43:20
Joe Gagnon
It’s like 300 a day.
00:18:44:02 – 00:18:49:14
Nathan Crane
Okay, 300. So you’re going to do 100,000 push ups this year doing 300 push ups a day every day.
00:18:50:06 – 00:18:53:14
Joe Gagnon
Yep. So it’ll be over 100,000, ultimately. Good. Oh, but.
00:18:54:09 – 00:18:56:21
Nathan Crane
And you’re almost in. You’re almost there.
00:18:56:21 – 00:19:00:03
Joe Gagnon
Yeah, I’m over 90,000 right now. You go.
00:19:00:09 – 00:19:23:23
Nathan Crane
That’s incredible to think about. But as you just you said 100,000 push ups in a year and it’s like it sounds impossible, but you just broke it down per day and it’s like, well, 300 pushups a day would be hard, but if you break it down into, you know, and then you break that down like I do this in the morning, I do this at noon, I do this at night, you break it down even further, it becomes something that is actually achievable.
00:19:24:18 – 00:19:54:17
Joe Gagnon
Yeah. And what happens is the best part like so if there was like the home run point of this entire discussion, like I literally feel like I have been so privileged to feel things that so many people have never felt like. That is my literal privilege. So like, so for example, when I might have been really busy, I traveled one day for work and I get to a hotel in 11:00 at night and I still have my 300 pushups to do.
00:19:54:24 – 00:20:14:10
Joe Gagnon
And I sit there looking at myself in the mirror and say, What are you going to do? And this feeling cannot be manufactured any other way, literally having to stick to the goal tests my soul. So you go through this like, well, you could do it tomorrow. No one would know. If you didn’t do it, you could get to bed sooner.
00:20:14:16 – 00:20:36:19
Joe Gagnon
Then you’re like, No, I made this commitment and it is possible to take these 15 minutes and get this done and then you can go to bed. And that thought process is so empowering because then I can take on any other challenge. I can sort of set myself up for looking, you know, in the dark side of our inner being too.
00:20:36:19 – 00:21:09:08
Joe Gagnon
Which part is going to win the argument? You know, the goal, the objective, the commitment to excellence or sort of the struggle, you know, against sort of the day to day. And so I have been blessed in ways that I can’t even imagine. You know, I would never buy a lottery ticket because I already got it and I got it when I realized I needed to put myself on this journey, because it has created more opportunity and more power in me than anyone could ever imagine could possibly happen as incredible.
00:21:09:08 – 00:21:26:24
Nathan Crane
And I mean, I can definitely relate to that in so many ways. This morning’s a great example. You know, I woke up, alarm goes off, it’s like I want to sleep and my body hurts my legs or sore, my knees hurt, my shoulder hurts my hands asleep like, and I could sleep in like I could easily sleep in.
00:21:26:24 – 00:21:43:08
Nathan Crane
I don’t have anything that I absolutely have to do, right? It’s like I could sleep in, and then that’s it. I talk to myself in that moment. I say, Nope, you’ve. You’ve got to work out. You know, my mind’s talk is like trying to talk me out of doing my morning workout, trying to talk me out of the ice bath I do in the morning.
00:21:43:08 – 00:22:05:13
Nathan Crane
Try and talk me out of these because they’re uncomfortable, right? They are uncomfortable. And I’m sitting here, you know, fighting with my mind. And the more you do it, the more you say yes to the things you committed to the day before or the week before, the month before, the easier it is. So that conversation in the past would be, okay, let’s sleep in.
00:22:05:18 – 00:22:22:24
Nathan Crane
It’s like, Nope, get up. Just get up and get moving. That’s what I tell myself. Now get up and get moving because I know when I get up and I get moving, I start doing my morning routine, do a little qigong in the morning, I stand on the powerplay, get the blood flowing. You know, I do a little meditation.
00:22:22:24 – 00:22:43:00
Nathan Crane
I start my morning going, energy gets up, body starts feeling better. It’s so much easier to take that next step. And since I’ve turned my ice baths into a habit now, I don’t even. I don’t even think about it anymore. Right. Sit there for, like, 30 seconds a minute. 2 minutes, and, like, kind of like, do I really want to do this?
00:22:43:00 – 00:23:00:16
Nathan Crane
You know, let me let me wait till the clock turns around for another minute, like, and then I’ll get it now as I go. I’ve done it so many times I learned just I walk to the ice bath, unplug the thing, lift the lid, get in, sit. Do my meditation there for 3 minutes, get out. And it’s just it’s automatic now.
00:23:00:22 – 00:23:20:11
Nathan Crane
It’s still uncomfortable, but it’s it’s automatic because I do it way more often. And I feel I always think about how I’m going to feel after how my day is going to be, improve my energy levels, my clarity, how it’s going to help. And as I’m sitting in that discomfort, I’m sitting there thinking and I’m saying, thank you for this freezing cold water.
00:23:20:11 – 00:23:40:10
Nathan Crane
Thank you for enhancing my immune system. Thank you for helping me be a better father, a better husband. Because when you’re in those challenging situations, I can breathe through it, calm my nervous system down like I have to in this ice bath to relax and, you know, help me be a better leader, interviewer, etc., a better athlete. And I think about those things in that challenging time.
00:23:40:16 – 00:24:00:12
Nathan Crane
And for me, it helps me get through it. And then I get to the gym and I do my workout and it’s like, then I feel amazing, right? I feel that accomplishment. I feel that those are the days and I think you would agree from what you just said that you feel the most accomplished is when you don’t want to do something, your body hurts, everything sucks.
00:24:00:14 – 00:24:13:00
Nathan Crane
All you want to do is sleep and you do it anyway. Like, isn’t that the most accomplishing feeling you can have compared to like any other experience when it comes to, you know, fitness or anything like that?
00:24:13:24 – 00:24:45:01
Joe Gagnon
Yeah, 100%. A couple of reasons to write like not just to say that simply an answer, but here is the reasons why I think we’re all in a struggle as we go through life to sort of find this belief in our self and this love for ourselves. That’s hard to find because you know why? We’re seeking validation from everyone else and they’re not going to bring that to us.
00:24:45:11 – 00:25:07:23
Joe Gagnon
We need to bring that to us. And so every time we work through that challenge, we fall more in love with ourselves. And the more we love ourselves, the better we show up in life, the better we show up for our family. Our friends are people at work because we are no longer worried about sort of this temporal stuff or this sort of noisy world that we live in.
00:25:08:08 – 00:25:31:00
Joe Gagnon
We can live in a place of security, in confidence. And that’s why that’s so powerful, because when we can’t get over that, then we have these questions and these doubts. Now, I’m sure there’s a lot of people listening who are on the other side of this. But what I know, Nathan, because you and I have talked about this a lot, we are not special humans.
00:25:31:00 – 00:25:55:05
Joe Gagnon
We’re just humans like we’re the same as everyone else. We just made decisions to start on this journey, and what we would love to encourage everyone is start on your journey, be patient, give yourself time. It doesn’t happen in a week or a day, but why would you rush through it any way every year? It builds on the year before and it builds and it builds and the community changes and the opportunity grows.
00:25:55:05 – 00:26:37:23
Joe Gagnon
And then like you can come up with this crazy idea like I did in 2017, I’m going to turn it into running marathons on six continents in six days. Seemingly improbable for the kid from the Bronx. But it all manifested in that and the confidence ahead in myself, the planet to do it and to live it. And so 100% agree that those are the moments I look for and look for the struggle to work through it so that I can continue to believe in myself, so I can show up in the world in a better way, which would then be better for everyone, including me.
00:26:37:23 – 00:27:09:22
Nathan Crane
I hear some people saying in the back of my mind, wherever this coming from is like, Yeah, but I don’t have the time or too busy or too old, right? Or up to this, I’m too that, which is an excuse. I mean, we all have excuses. We all have the things that the reasons, the self-limiting beliefs that prevent us from actually living our best life, achieving our goals, experiencing, you know, life and health at the highest level.
00:27:10:11 – 00:27:32:06
Nathan Crane
But it’s those excuses and those reasons that I’ve found that we have to we have to dig deep and find out where are these coming from. First of all, why is this instilled in me, you know? And then number two, how do I overcome this? How do I transform this? How do I use this excuse of this reason actually as fuel, which is what I do, right?
00:27:32:06 – 00:27:56:14
Nathan Crane
Like when I started CrossFit, I weighed like £175. I’d never lifted a heavy weight in my life. And, you know, here these guys are back squat, £500 and snatch and £300 of run in a five minute mile. They’re deadlift in 500 and £600. And it’s like I’d never deadlift it before. They all started with college backgrounds in college, you know, college, most of them with, you know, they were collegiate athletes.
00:27:56:14 – 00:28:16:06
Nathan Crane
They were back squatting £300 when they’re 16, 17 years old. You know, I tried to back squat a couple of hundred pounds when I was like 20 something and injured myself and never touched a weight again for like ten or 12 years, 30 years old. And I’m going into this sport already with all of these excuses. And I looked at them and used them as fuel.
00:28:16:13 – 00:28:36:14
Nathan Crane
And still to this day, it’s like, no, these are the reasons why I am doing this. You know, it’s because not to prove to anybody else is to prove to myself that it’s like having that impossible goal, you know? And I say impossible because of most people’s minds. What I’m trying to achieve is impossible. And and yet it’s something that drives me every day.
00:28:36:14 – 00:28:57:12
Nathan Crane
It’s having that thing that that might just be out of reach. But I’m still striving towards it every day because, number one, I’m enjoying the journey. If you don’t enjoy what you’re doing right, you’re not going to last very long. So it’s like I’m enjoying the journey, I’m learning through the struggle. I’m building that resilience in that confidence, and it’s making me a better person.
00:28:57:22 – 00:29:25:24
Nathan Crane
And it’s not all about the outcome. Right. And I think you said why why rush through it? And I think the reason why most people why any of us rush through something, whether it’s like exercise or a weight loss program, you know, or a diet or whatever, is because we’re so attached to the outcome, right? It’s like we want that perfect body or we want that health or we want that perfect, you know, the financial freedom or the perfect relationship.
00:29:26:05 – 00:29:45:24
Nathan Crane
We want the outcome. And forget about how important and how vital it is to actually go through the journey of achieving whatever it is that we’re achieving. And, you know, probably better or as much as anyone, because every one of those accomplishments for you has been, I’m sure, just an extraordinary journey.
00:29:46:23 – 00:30:06:10
Joe Gagnon
Yeah. So the first part is have to go back on not enough time. There’s 168 hours in and I have a in my book put a worksheet in there which said, like, why don’t you write down what you do for a week and let’s see if you’re happy with how you spend your time. So let’s do start off with an assessment.
00:30:06:15 – 00:30:27:00
Joe Gagnon
I mean, most of the times we run these programs, most people are not happy with how they spend their time because they haven’t content plated it and you know, nothing against the Netflix universe. But if you’re spending 3 hours a day on that, I’m sure we could cut an hour out and make it into something else. Now, I think that’s part one.
00:30:27:00 – 00:30:59:07
Joe Gagnon
So we have enough time. Part two. Yeah, I started this whole thing when I had little kids. I just got up a little bit earlier, you know, they’re sleeping. I got up at 5:00 because I was going to do something better for me and actually ultimately better for them because I would show up better. I think the third part of the equation is if you I haven’t met too many people who don’t want to live a long, happy, healthy life, then we have to think about that very proactively because the decisions we make will affect that.
00:31:00:10 – 00:31:23:24
Joe Gagnon
And so this is about taking responsibility for ourselves. And if someone were to seriously say that they don’t care about their health, that they don’t want to live a long, happy life, then I guess that’s okay. But if you do, then you have to make some different choices because it doesn’t just happen. Biology and lifestyle don’t really intersect it well.
00:31:24:06 – 00:31:47:19
Joe Gagnon
Yeah, when you’re 25, you could probably have five beers and still wake up in the morning and go run a5k. But when you’re 55 years old, that ain’t happening. And so you have to make lifestyle choices. You have to eat differently, you have to sleep differently, you need a different mindset. You need to exercise differently. You have to actually think very consciously about biology.
00:31:48:02 – 00:32:11:16
Joe Gagnon
But we aren’t going to be here forever, so why don’t we optimize the way the system works by using it more productively, more constructively, and be respectful of our body and our mind and our soul. And when we do that, then time is actually not even a question because you would make an investment like a41k to save for your retirement.
00:32:11:16 – 00:32:34:22
Joe Gagnon
Right? Everyone would do that, get a pension. But if you’re not investing in your health in the same way, then what are you going to end up with? Money in the bank and a body and a mind and a soul that can’t live. So I think that needs some work. Now, the good news is I’m really doesn’t go that fast and we have plenty of time to work our way in that direction.
00:32:35:10 – 00:33:03:09
Joe Gagnon
Get with the right community, find a coach, give it a try, do it by yourself. There’s nothing about perfection. It’s just your application of all of it. So if you’re saving for your 41k, then invest in yourself in the same way those two will intersect in a beautiful way. So when you’re in your sixties or seventies and you want to sort of change sort of the way your journey is evolving, you will be ready for that in a way that you will be very, very happy.
00:33:03:22 – 00:33:12:07
Joe Gagnon
And so, yeah, the 168 hours is plenty of time to get done all that we need to if we’re productive in how we think about it.
00:33:13:11 – 00:33:25:08
Nathan Crane
What is an average day for you look like? So you run us through you run us through your whole schedule. How much do you sleep? You know, what is your training schedule look like? Your work schedule? I’d love to know that.
00:33:26:19 – 00:33:50:16
Joe Gagnon
I evolved a little bit and as I got older, you know, I used to be the guy who slept four and a half hours a night, which, you know, really is not a good idea. This I’ve found. So let’s say I wake up typically about 530 in the morning and I, you know, do the simple stuff of getting ready in and I pull my sneakers on and I go out for a run outside.
00:33:51:05 – 00:34:26:06
Joe Gagnon
The weather does not matter to going outside. There’s no weather that would keep me from going outside. So raining, snowing. Just it’s a matter of how you dress and so we can survive. And so I run seven miles a day or more every day. And I don’t go fast. I’m not trying to set any records. I’m just one getting, you know, hopefully sunlight on my face, a little bit of vitamin D, but more than anything, I’m waking up and I actually it’s so fun meeting like my first mile is like, so slow, you know, it’s just like, get in the body moving.
00:34:26:06 – 00:34:41:07
Joe Gagnon
And so by the time I’m then I’m moving along really nicely. And, you know, I’ve now run over 50,000 miles over the past 15 years and everyone says, Oh, your knees are going to fall apart. Like, I literally feel great. I don’t have any of those problems.
00:34:41:07 – 00:34:46:10
Nathan Crane
And you’re you are in your fifties or are pushing 60, right, aren’t you?
00:34:47:10 – 00:34:50:20
Joe Gagnon
I’m actually I talk about I’m 63 years old.
00:34:50:22 – 00:35:01:08
Nathan Crane
62. That’s right. Yeah. Because I remember when we did the Ageless Living series that you spoke at, I think you were you were just turned 60 or 57.
00:35:01:08 – 00:35:02:22
Joe Gagnon
Yeah, it was a long time ago.
00:35:02:22 – 00:35:05:01
Nathan Crane
It was six years ago. No way.
00:35:05:01 – 00:35:06:02
Joe Gagnon
Yeah. Uh huh.
00:35:06:20 – 00:35:21:11
Nathan Crane
That’s crazy. No way. So, yeah, so, so, yeah. I mean, you’re a great example of someone that’s, you know, they say, oh, yeah, the more you run, the more this that, the more I mean, I have some theories on that we could talk about at some point, but I don’t I want you to I don’t want to interrupt your flow just so.
00:35:22:03 – 00:35:46:11
Joe Gagnon
So I do that I come back and then I’ll do some form of bodyweight exercise. So some pull ups and push ups, some sit ups, you know, and those go upwards of, you know, like I like to do somewhere between 50 and 100 pull ups in sets of ten, you know, 200, 300 crunches, sometimes 2 to 300 push ups.
00:35:46:11 – 00:36:16:22
Joe Gagnon
So I save them for later. Then I get just showered, start looking at some work stuff I try to eat reasonably high protein breakfast. So I’m not a vegan, but I’m a vegetarian. So a lot of egg whites or, you know, some Greek yogurt, something to start off getting a lot of protein in. And then we’ll work lunches, sort of similar kind of, you know, reasonably good food, you know, when you know the time when healthy means anymore.
00:36:16:22 – 00:36:44:10
Joe Gagnon
But, you know, fruits, vegetables, good quality, try to be less processed work than, uh, you know, depending on if I’m on the road. Usually like my dream day would be to go back out for a run or some other exercise and then eat dinner, do some more work, which is my trap, you know, like getting my work done and then do the push ups to finish the day, do some reading.
00:36:44:10 – 00:37:04:11
Joe Gagnon
Then I write my blog at night every day, and I try to get in bed between 11 1130. So, you know, close to 6 hours of sleep now, maybe six and a half on a good night. And I do this pretty much every day. So the things that, you know, as I tell people, you know, you you eat, you sleep and you brush your teeth.
00:37:04:17 – 00:37:31:01
Joe Gagnon
And then I and I write and I exercise. Those are my five daily practices. But the quiet time and the meditation for me are while I’m running. And so I don’t do the active meditation in the way some people do, but I use that time to sort of let my mind wander, especially when you’re not going hard, you know, like the nine minute mile kind of thing is ten minute mile, whatever.
00:37:31:01 – 00:37:54:21
Joe Gagnon
You just you can really leverage that time. And then the writing is a beautiful part of my day when I get to write. That’s another part of sort of that introspection and is that I’ve written 4000 days in a row, so I really look forward to that. And you know, in talking to myself and talking to the world and, you know, and so the variations on today’s could be in the weekend, you know, you might get out a little bit more.
00:37:55:23 – 00:38:24:00
Joe Gagnon
But I really make sure that I get outside, that I exercise my mind, body and soul, that I eat well, I take care of myself. And, you know, you’re right. I would say at 63 years old that I’m probably as strong and resilient as I’ve been throughout. And so if anyone thinks that they can’t do it at any age, yeah, I don’t really feel any weaker.
00:38:24:00 – 00:38:40:22
Joe Gagnon
I know this. So, you know, like if I don’t do something, I don’t feel good, you know? So, like, if I didn’t do the pull ups for a week, I’ll start to feel like, Oh, well, I should get back at that. I’ve always sort of like counting also. Nathan, you know, like saying, Oh, let’s go do this for 100 days.
00:38:41:09 – 00:39:04:23
Joe Gagnon
You know, like during the, the late part of the pandemic, I went 540 days where I ran ten miles, did a hundred pull ups, did 100 push ups, and did 100 sit ups and 540 straight days. And so, you know, I just found it, you know, like, I don’t know why that’s not possible. Just have to, you know, work on it and you know this from what you do.
00:39:04:23 – 00:39:26:23
Joe Gagnon
So yeah, I actually and I get excited about it every day, you know, I feel like it’s such a privilege to just be able to do what I get to do and, you know, like I don’t. And oh, and just sort of the thing is, most of it’s solitary. You know, I love to go if you are in town, I’d go for a run with you and I would have a wonderful time.
00:39:27:13 – 00:39:40:00
Joe Gagnon
But most of it’s just me out there by myself and, you know, enjoying it. Like, Wow, isn’t this fantastic? So I encourage you all to to get out there.
00:39:40:23 – 00:40:01:13
Nathan Crane
I can definitely relate to the the meditation and the running. I think that’s one of the things that like hooked me early on was about passed mile two. Once I could get past two miles, I got into that meditative zone and I wasn’t same thing. Like I was just training and just to run and to complete this, this goal that I had, right?
00:40:01:13 – 00:40:27:13
Nathan Crane
So I wasn’t doing sprints. I wasn’t trying to increase my VO2 max. I wasn’t none of that mattered to me. It was like I just got hooked on the running, the experience of it, how it felt. And about after mile two most days I could get into that kind of meditative state. And it was it was really useful, very helpful, because I could be in that state and ask a question like guidance, right?
00:40:27:13 – 00:40:50:23
Nathan Crane
I’m asking God, I’m asking my higher self and it just boom, the answer would come you just epiphanies after epiphanies. After epiphanies. And I found it incredibly useful, this physical activity I’m doing, which is good for the body and this guidance and clarity, mental clarity I’m receiving through the running. So, you know, and I think I’ve heard swimmers do the same thing.
00:40:50:23 – 00:41:08:20
Nathan Crane
They get into a zone and they can get to a meditative state. I haven’t gotten there swimming yet because I’m not that good at swimming yet, but I hope to get there one day. I just barely not drown right now. That’s kind of my goal is I don’t drown one day. I hope to get good enough where I can just get into a meditative zone.
00:41:09:04 – 00:41:27:11
Nathan Crane
But certainly running. I know you can do it. Cycling too. There’s a lot of things you can do at that kind of zone to zone three. Well, let’s say more in that zone to pace that heart rate where you can just you get, you know, endorphins are being released and you just get so much mental clarity. And I love that.
00:41:27:11 – 00:41:28:06
Nathan Crane
I love that.
00:41:29:10 – 00:41:57:03
Joe Gagnon
Thing that I would offer. I, I go out now in my body’s been conditioned to do you know the morning without any calories now I’m not a busy fasting person that’s not like my point of it because that’s a whole separate topic that we probably don’t need to get into. But what’s interesting is that, you know how much energy we have stored in our system is sometimes missed.
00:41:57:03 – 00:42:25:18
Joe Gagnon
You know, like whether it’s two or 3000 calories, the glycogen that we have in our system, the body fat that’s there, it’s this efficiency that we’re able to create the more we use it. And so, you know, interestingly enough, when people you ask about like, oh, what do you eat and all that, you know, and I have maintained my weight and body fat percent in all this for the past seven years, within 1%.
00:42:26:21 – 00:42:46:21
Joe Gagnon
And so very stable, you know, none of this up and down. And so what I know is that I’ve become more efficient. I really has. So I don’t need so much. It’s just actually how we use what I have now. If you and I were going like when you go really deep on the Zone four and into Zone five, that’s a different scenario.
00:42:47:05 – 00:43:10:23
Joe Gagnon
For that we would actually think differently about fueling, etc. and recovery. But in the system we call zone two for everyone listening, that’s a heart rate, that’s conversational, right? This is not feeling like a big strain. Our system can almost go forever in that mode and so therefore we should be able to fuel off of what we have.
00:43:11:10 – 00:43:30:10
Joe Gagnon
And so so I’ve really enjoyed learning about that more, you know, in trying it out and see how it works. If you’re going for anything more than 2 hours, you should be bringing calories with you. But up to an hour you don’t need anything to an hour. And two, it’s how you feel over two. Then you want to do something different.
00:43:30:18 – 00:43:39:18
Joe Gagnon
Of course, if you’re going to get out there for 30 hours, it’s a wholly different circumstance. But but these are things that are fun to learn, you know, and fun to experience.
00:43:41:01 – 00:43:47:04
Nathan Crane
Now, when you’re prepping for, let’s say, a 100 mile race, you’ve done 100 milers, right?
00:43:47:19 – 00:43:48:19
Joe Gagnon
Yep. Eight times.
00:43:49:00 – 00:44:10:14
Nathan Crane
Yeah. When you’re prepping for a 100 mile race, do you how does your mindset kind of shift in regards to that versus like a 50 mile race, obviously? Well, I’m assuming and asking, does your training plan shift? Are you trying to get more miles in and for how long? I mean, I’m assuming that the answer is yes, but like, how does your how do you approach that mentally?
00:44:10:14 – 00:44:39:16
Nathan Crane
Because a hundred miles in a race is no joke. Right. Like you said, the nutrition factor, the digestive issues that come up for people, the the pain, the you know, the fact that you’re running often through the night when your body is used to sleeping all these different, you know, just unbelievable things. You can imagine are are coming up within you, I’m sure the desire to quit at any point during it as well.
00:44:41:02 – 00:44:54:02
Nathan Crane
How are you thinking it? And I guess the second question there is what are some of your top lessons that you’ve learned from doing these really long races that have served you in your personal life?
00:44:55:02 – 00:45:17:24
Joe Gagnon
Yeah, it’s a it’s a good question. And it’s a journey of some sort of unexpected. Like, you know, I never the first time I heard something in 50, I was like, huh? And then when they said 100, I’m like, Are you kidding me like this? No way. You know, I’ve actually my longest is 205 miles, which was over three days.
00:45:18:04 – 00:45:22:07
Nathan Crane
That was it. Was that like the Lake Tahoe one or was that the Lake Tahoe? Yeah.
00:45:22:08 – 00:45:47:06
Joe Gagnon
Oh, 200. Yeah. And, and so I think that so on the training side leading up to it, I’ll run 50 K a 50 miler, you know, in training, you know, like get out and do some long races, then increase my mileage. My mileage now averages between 50 and 60 miles a week. I’ll push it up to 70 to 75 miles a week.
00:45:48:18 – 00:46:14:14
Joe Gagnon
And then, you know, leading up to the race, you know, I think that what I’ve learned, like nutrition over 20 hours, is like the of the end of your race. Like if you don’t think about nutrition when you hit 20 hours, you can just be done like this. We have literally burned through everything. We have in ourselves. I don’t even care if you’re just hiking anymore, like it doesn’t matter.
00:46:14:24 – 00:46:32:13
Joe Gagnon
And so that will make you just sit down on the side of the trail and you may not get back up. So really conscious because in the beginning, like Soledad, back this thing I just said, oh, for 2 hours, I don’t need anything if I’m just going out on the weekend. But in that kind of race, you have to be taking nutrition in every hour religiously.
00:46:33:00 – 00:46:49:02
Joe Gagnon
And so you have to create a system to remind yourself, because you’ll just start not wanting to eat and then you’re not going to want to eat and then you’re really not going to want to eat because you’re going to feel worse and worse. And then eating doesn’t. It’s not satisfying at all. But you have to have it.
00:46:49:02 – 00:47:15:21
Joe Gagnon
So nutrition number one reason why we either succeed or fail in a hundred mile race and nutrition means both the food and the liquids, you know, so if you get electrolyte imbalance, if you’re dehydrated, you know, oh, my God, the amount of hallucinations will get or hilarious, you know, in most of these races now we can get a Pacers after 50 miles to come with us.
00:47:15:21 – 00:47:47:22
Joe Gagnon
So a friend who can run ten miles or 20 miles with us and maybe get multiple Pacers, it’s like the second runner’s brain we talk about. They help us think as we get more fatigued and as we get sort of a little bit less aware of what’s happening. And so they’re good to help us with nutrition. Also, if you’re doing something, you know, where you might be getting into the cold of the evening, our bodies do not maintain heat in the evening time when we’re running a hundred mile race.
00:47:47:22 – 00:48:11:17
Joe Gagnon
So we get very cold, very fast. And so you have to probably overdress to just maintain body temperature. So so the second part of this, we’ve got to take care of, you know, sort of our nutrition, take care of our body heat. These are the things that would actually stop us, right? Because we’ll get hypothermic or we’ll get dehydrated or we’ll be too nutritionally imbalanced.
00:48:11:17 – 00:48:34:23
Joe Gagnon
And so those are just like structural learnings. And then use either a system that you have, you’ve written down, you stay true to it or have a pacer with you. The actual interesting part, the the running piece like so what is the biggest risk there most likely is our feet in taking care of our feet because I’ve run with 17 blisters and I got to tell you, that’s not fun.
00:48:35:08 – 00:48:37:17
Joe Gagnon
Okay. So thinking about.
00:48:38:13 – 00:48:38:20
Nathan Crane
Okay.
00:48:39:17 – 00:49:04:07
Joe Gagnon
I imagine when I read the 100 and so something Nathan that I didn’t know, it’s like sometimes you’re like, Oh my God, I should have known, but you actually have to wear shoes that are bigger than you would normally wear. So if you wear a size ten and have sneaker wear in 11 and a half, when you’re running on 100 mile race because your feet swell, you need a bigger sock, you need some kind of lubricant.
00:49:04:07 – 00:49:21:17
Joe Gagnon
You got to take care of your feet. You’re probably going to go to some your feet are going to get wet. And so you may even want to change your socks out every once in a while. So take care of your feet. And then the last part of this is the pain and suffering. These let’s just be clear.
00:49:21:18 – 00:49:39:24
Joe Gagnon
There’s going to be moments when you want to not be there. I just want this to be over now. And so, like we go through this whole thing of the highs and the lows, how I feel now isn’t going to feel later and it’s going to keep changing. And I feel great and feel terrible and so great I’m going to feel terrible.
00:49:40:05 – 00:50:01:09
Joe Gagnon
It’s just the cycle of we’re just really pushing our system pretty hard. And, you know, I think I’ve developed a few techniques that just keep silly things. Like, for example, I always told myself on Tuesday you’re going to be sitting in a conference room with a cup of coffee and it’s going to be warm and comfortable and you’re going to be in a meeting and you’ll be there soon.
00:50:01:09 – 00:50:30:16
Joe Gagnon
You’ll be there soon. So just keep thinking about how easy that is and like focus on that. So let’s talk myself into it. The second thing is that quitting is with us forever. The pain is temporary. And so that I think I was doing this race in northern Alabama called the cool jewel 100 last year. I had a really rough go of it.
00:50:30:16 – 00:50:54:09
Joe Gagnon
You know, my back was hurting. I had a rash. I had fallen and hit my head. You know, I was tired and hungry. I was so miserable. And I said, you know, this kind of suffering doesn’t rise to the level of quit, just not legitimate, not sorry, you know, broken legs or something material. Yeah, but this didn’t rise to that level.
00:50:54:11 – 00:51:21:24
Joe Gagnon
And I kept realizing that that’s the learning right there. When we hit these tough moments in our lives, do we run away? Do we walk away? Do we just quit? And I don’t think that is how success happens. We stay in the game. And then, you know, I got to the finish line and made it there. And that is the same with work.
00:51:22:08 – 00:51:43:17
Joe Gagnon
It’s the same with the relationship. It’s the same with our belief in ourselves. We cannot sort of interpret some of that temporal suffering as a reason to quit or walk away because, my gosh, if we ever did that, then we have nothing because they’re mostly in. And what I mean by temporal is they’re only there for a little point in time.
00:51:43:20 – 00:52:12:10
Joe Gagnon
This is not permanent. And so it’s normalizing that and recognizing that it is true. That journey, that struggle that we define ourselves. So what I really enjoyed about the 100 mile race, I’m going to do at least one every year until I can’t do them anymore because I want to remind myself of the power that I have to overcome, because that will translate to the rest of my life and hopefully role model for others.
00:52:13:02 – 00:52:18:03
Joe Gagnon
The same behavior that they could also mimic and make their lives similarly powerful.
00:52:19:09 – 00:52:41:15
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s incredibly inspiring. I like how you use these practical things as well, because this is helpful in our lives where you’re going through a challenge. Some terrible thing has happened, a loss maybe, and you have to remind yourself, hey, in a few days or next week or tomorrow, you know, it’s going to be different. I’m going to be at this place.
00:52:41:15 – 00:52:56:19
Nathan Crane
I’m going to have this experience or even as simple as like this morning, you know, I didn’t want to work out, didn’t want to get nice baths, all that kind of stuff. And it’s like, I know how I’m going to feel at the end of it. So I remind myself, Look, when you’re finished, you’re going to feel amazing and you’re going to feel accomplished that you did it.
00:52:57:03 – 00:53:29:07
Nathan Crane
And it’s those little kind of practical reminders when the mind is telling you No more. I quit, sucks. I’m not doing this. It’s like, now think about find something that you can latch on to a positive experience, a positive thought, positive memory, a positive something in the future that can keep pulling you forward. I think one of the reasons I felt many reasons I fell in love with CrossFit, but I keep going back to CrossFit was I think one of the reasons I fell in love with CrossFit is the similarities between the experience I had with the ultramarathon that I ran.
00:53:29:07 – 00:53:56:01
Nathan Crane
Because while that was an eight hour experience, ups and downs, highs and lows, wanting to quit the pain, having to talk to yourself, to keep going through it, all that kind of stuff. I experience that every single day in CrossFit and anybody who does CrossFit experiences that every single day. It’s just in a really condensed format. It’s in a 20 minute, you know, met con or a one hour class or a 12 minute, you know, high intensity interval training.
00:53:56:10 – 00:54:17:12
Nathan Crane
Everybody experiences everybody experiences the pain, the, you know, intense the intensity, the the, the wanting to quit or slow down, you know, and then having to talk yourself through it. Now I’m going to keep going up. I’m going to feel amazing when I’m done with this. Nope, I’m not going to cheat my reps. Nope. I’m going to be, you know, with integrity with this.
00:54:17:20 – 00:54:40:02
Nathan Crane
And at the end of that 12 minutes, it’s like you’ve gone through all that experience mentally and physically, and then all of a sudden, you know, you just have this this bliss, this euphoria that, you know, rushes all over your body and you feel amazing. So it’s like I go through that every single day in smaller chunks, of course, and not not not at that higher level where you’re literally dealing with that for hours and hours on end.
00:54:40:08 – 00:55:10:02
Nathan Crane
It’s like 12 minutes, you get it and then you’re but it’s those little accomplishments, whether someone does CrossFit, ultrarunning, running, whatever, any sport, any athletics, it’s it’s those moments that build your character, right? That create the character within you, that determine, like you said, is this enough to make me quit? You know, the rash, the back pain, the all these things going on and and in your mind is like, no, that’s not enough to make me quit.
00:55:10:03 – 00:55:43:17
Nathan Crane
You know, I need a broken leg. I need a, you know, something that I just can’t move anymore. Like that is a type of mindset that is extra ordinary. It’s way beyond normal. It’s way beyond ordinary. It’s way beyond what most people experience in their lives. That is extraordinary and. How you got to that mindset, I think, is something that could be beneficial to everybody, you know, and I don’t know if you’re fully aware of all the steps along in your life that have gotten you to that mindset.
00:55:43:17 – 00:56:02:11
Nathan Crane
Because I remember talking with you years ago, and that’s not how you were growing up, right? You didn’t have that mindset growing up, so you cultivated that along the way. And what do you think are some of the experiences and moments of wisdom or clarity that have helped you cultivate that kind of resilience in your mindset? Because I think that’s a mindset.
00:56:02:19 – 00:56:30:00
Nathan Crane
Not only is our youth and the, you know, our are used and current generations lacking today are upcoming generations are are lacking substantially not everyone but a lot because of the way that the culture today is like coddling and babying every single person of, you know, wiping every little tear. And it’s like, hey, there’s a time and place for compassion and love and there’s a time and place for like, Hey, get up, let’s go.
00:56:30:00 – 00:56:46:07
Nathan Crane
Time to move, you know, quit. Quit whining about this thing. And I think we’re we’ve been losing as a culture, and I think we need more and more of that kind of mindset. Like, No, there’s not enough to quit. It’s just pain. This is temporary. There’s a little bit of suffering I can overcome is how did you get to that in your life?
00:56:46:07 – 00:56:47:06
Nathan Crane
Where did that come from?
00:56:48:08 – 00:57:08:19
Joe Gagnon
Cause, you know, it’s it’s not a simple answer. Better looking back, trying to figure it out and figuring it out as I was going along, I think there are a lot of people would relate to high school was hard. It never felt good I wasn’t invited to the parties is never girlfriend as made fun of yesterday who call that bullying.
00:57:10:17 – 00:57:34:11
Joe Gagnon
And what I started to realize was that you know if I sort of let that be the theme it was sort of over like I didn’t like the idea that I wasn’t going to end up with anything more. And so like one of the first sort of big learnings I had was when if you didn’t get invited to the party and you want to go to a party than have one like put it on, don’t be a victim.
00:57:35:03 – 00:58:02:18
Joe Gagnon
Like and so then I started doing it and like all of a sudden I was included because I was organizing it. And so what I started to realize was that every time I then took ownership for my situation, it started to get better. So if I wanted to go rock climbing because I was really intensely intrigued, I then invited some friends to go to the climbing gym and said, Hey, let’s learn how to do this.
00:58:03:12 – 00:58:25:20
Joe Gagnon
And then on Wednesday I’d call them up. Let’s go again, let’s go on Saturday. And so what I found was the things that I wanted to do, I could make them happen by making a decision. And so I started to create the life that I wanted to have, the life that everyone talks about, this sort of like lottery ticket kind of world.
00:58:25:20 – 00:58:49:11
Joe Gagnon
Like, I didn’t need a lottery ticket. I just needed to lean in. I did some patience, admittedly, you know, like when I decided to do Ironman, I gave myself five years. You know? And so I just didn’t make it so intimidating that it was impossible. I just found that every time, you know, I wanted something more, I realized that I could go get it.
00:58:50:12 – 00:59:15:21
Joe Gagnon
And it was this awakening that happened little by little that all things that seemed so improbable, you know, I don’t know. When I was Ernst and Young, there was a year that I thought I should become a partner because I thought I was really good at what I did and I didn’t make it. And I went home and and my wife said to me, said, are you going to sit there and sulk or are you going to do something about?
00:59:15:21 – 00:59:38:18
Joe Gagnon
It why don’t you just go prove them wrong? And I’m like, huh, that’s a good idea. And so literally the next year, I crushed the results at such a level that I made partner. And so it was just reminder that it wasn’t anyone else’s responsibility to turn it on. It was mine. So if I wanted more than I’d do more, there was no other way to get it.
00:59:38:21 – 00:59:59:07
Joe Gagnon
There was literally no other way to get it. So that’s just the choice we all have. You chose to do that with a lot of the endeavors you’ve taken up CrossFit, you’re easiest one to talk about, but you’ve started many businesses like where no one gave those to Nathan. Nathan decided to go create them and said that they all work but doesn’t even matter.
00:59:59:07 – 01:00:12:23
Joe Gagnon
What does that mean? You learn, you grow, you develop like it’s all about this. Like how we define success, a gold medal. I mean, look, Michael Phelps needs therapy because he won 17 gold medals the best ever. Right? And he still has.
01:00:12:23 – 01:00:13:05
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
01:00:13:17 – 01:00:41:11
Joe Gagnon
Right. So the thing that we’re seeking is this sort of like recognition of progress isn’t the point. The point is that you went into the system and you developed yourself. Does it always work? It doesn’t matter if really doesn’t matter. All that matters is you showed up the best way you can. That’s what I started to learn. And so, you know, when people are like, there’s this cute question now, you know, like, what’s your superpower?
01:00:41:19 – 01:01:04:12
Joe Gagnon
Like an interview question? And I’m like, Yeah, I think my superpower is when I make a commitment to myself, it happens. That’s my superpower. There is no way of a commitment I made to myself. And so that doesn’t matter with anyone else. This is just Joe with Joe. And so therefore my life is going to be as good as it can be.
01:01:04:12 – 01:01:30:11
Joe Gagnon
I don’t know what that means, but it will be as good as it can be because I made that commitment. This is like, you know, Nathan, make this joke that the dictionary is actually your lottery ticket. There are words in it. Just go pick these words out. Passion, grit, enthusiasm, curiosity, courage. You know, love, compassion. Like just pick ten really good words and live to them.
01:01:30:21 – 01:01:54:04
Joe Gagnon
There’s your lottery ticket. Like, I love it when says I have grit. Mike I developed that, you know, that’s perseverance over time, an unwillingness to quit when it gets hard, you know, crawling through the mud and just sort of just not worrying about the little scrapes here and there. This is what life is about. This is what the power that we have been given to go use.
01:01:54:13 – 01:02:19:19
Joe Gagnon
And so, yeah, the suffering is sort of the privilege because what we’ve done is sort of been responsible with the power we’ve been given. And that’s really important. And that’s why we make commitments to ourselves because look, you want your family and anyone who works with you to believe what you say is true. Hey, Nathan says is showing up tomorrow morning.
01:02:19:19 – 01:02:38:22
Joe Gagnon
I always tell this people, you know, there’s only a few things that can make me frustrated. And it’s only when you make a commitment to me and you didn’t really mean it. So Nathan says, Hey, Joe, I’ll go run with you tomorrow morning. And like, Great, let’s meet at six and at 545 I get a text. Joe It’s raining outside.
01:02:38:22 – 01:02:58:10
Joe Gagnon
I don’t think I’m going to go. I’m like, Wow, you didn’t consider that like, you know, think about that. Like, what commitment did you make to work? Nothing. Really, nothing. And so don’t even say yes, I could rather you say no, I don’t want to. I don’t really care just. But when you make a commitment, just do it like this.
01:02:58:10 – 01:03:23:11
Joe Gagnon
Is there anything else like we should hold ourselves in account too? So to me, you know, I am intimidated by someone who says I’m extraordinary because I still remember being that kid with nothing, you know, the smallest kid in the class everyone pushed around, made fun of. So that still carries with me. So I’m just trying to prove them all wrong.
01:03:24:21 – 01:03:32:04
Joe Gagnon
And by not being a victim, but by being, you know, a survivor, a leader in my own life.
01:03:33:23 – 01:03:56:10
Nathan Crane
Well, then you’ve clearly, you know, proved yourself right along the way that the choices you’ve made have been the right choices for you. You know, your life reflects that you’re you’re the purpose and meaning in your life reflects that the passions that you have, the contribution that you have, the, you know, the companies that that you join as an employee.
01:03:56:19 – 01:04:18:18
Nathan Crane
And, you know, a very short time later, you’re the CEO of like I think I’ve heard you tell me that like in multiple cases, you know, and not small companies either or they’re small and then you scale them, you know, ten x, for example. So I mean, you’re living testament to what you what you speak about. And what I hear you saying is that mindset for you, it wasn’t overnight.
01:04:18:18 – 01:04:36:24
Nathan Crane
It was a journey. It was these little experiences along the way where you said, hey, if I if I have a little bit that stick to itiveness, I have a little bit that grit makes perience is significantly better. Right. And you do that again and you do it again and you do it again and you’re putting yourself through these hard challenges.
01:04:36:24 – 01:04:58:16
Nathan Crane
And for any and I just putting out there for anybody, it doesn’t have to be Ultra or CrossFit or running or anything. It’s fine. Those what I found for me and I think this can help people in a lot of ways find something that you can sign up for, that you can train for physically, that you can prepare for and set out to achieve that.
01:04:58:16 – 01:05:15:03
Nathan Crane
You know, and I talk with my the woman who cuts my hair, for example, she signs up for these five K runs and for her, you know, that gives her something to train for every three, four or five months. And it’s just for fun. It’s just for charity. But it gets her exercising. It gets her going to the gym.
01:05:15:03 – 01:05:33:12
Nathan Crane
It gets her going out, going for little runs. You know, it could be playing tennis. I mean, I started learning to play tennis because my daughter liked tennis. And so I wanted to be outside spending more time with my daughter. You know, I never thought I’d like tennis. I was like, yeah, that’s a, you know, rich man’s sport for a bunch of posh people, whatever judgments ever had about it.
01:05:34:02 – 01:06:00:02
Nathan Crane
And I started playing it. I was like, actually really love tennis. And these people, amazing athletes and what a joy to be outside with my daughter. Playing in the sunshine, playing tennis like this is amazing. It’s I tell people find something physical that you can do that brings you some sense of joy and then, you know, join a community or a club or a set a goal with that thing that can keep pulling you and driving you forward.
01:06:00:02 – 01:06:18:03
Nathan Crane
Because then that’s when you get tested, right? The universe, God, whatever you want to believe. I truly believe I seen a million times you get tested. Do you really want this thing? You know? Are you really committed to this? Let’s see your resiliency. A send a snowstorm on the day that you’re supposed to go out, like you said, on a run.
01:06:18:03 – 01:06:45:09
Nathan Crane
Or do they say, let’s send that, you know, something, some kind of chaotic thing? Are you going to commit to what you said you’re going to do? I have to agree with you completely that it is frustrating when you have somebody could be anybody that commits to doing something with you, like training or whatever. And then, you know, not only it’s like, okay, they don’t show up one time, but then it happens three or four or five times and you’re like, All right, I’m done.
01:06:45:09 – 01:07:05:10
Nathan Crane
Like, you know, because I do most of my training by myself as well. I have for years. And even when I go to the gym, I’m still doing my own thing most of the time. But I love being around other people. I love that sense of community, I love that camaraderie. But a lot of it is by myself and has been, you know, and that’s that I think that’s where you find yourself.
01:07:05:10 – 01:07:23:12
Nathan Crane
I think that’s where you find your character, your resolve. It’s like, are you going to show up and do this for yourself? Nobody’s around. I’m not filming everything for social media. I might film, you know, one thing every once in a while to put on social media and maybe try and inspire people. It’s like, that’s not why you do it, right?
01:07:23:12 – 01:07:45:18
Nathan Crane
It’s showing up every day for yourself, that commitment for yourself. But I think you’ve got to have let me know your thoughts on this, but I think you’ve got to have real goals, something tangible something that can pull you forward when times are tough. I know for me, having bigger long term goals certainly help with that.
01:07:45:18 – 01:08:05:20
Joe Gagnon
Yeah, so focus does definitely help there. I think that the the piece just one other point. I wanted to make before I forgot was like my metaphor of the rusty swing set, you know, so when you have kids, you got this swing set in your backyard and they use every day and it works beautifully and then they grow up and don’t use it.
01:08:05:20 – 01:08:11:13
Joe Gagnon
And four years later, you walk back there and the thing is just falling apart. It’s rusted, it sat there and did nothing.
01:08:12:00 – 01:08:15:02
Nathan Crane
So like right now I have one in my backyard.
01:08:15:02 – 01:08:47:01
Joe Gagnon
All right, so what happened, right? It didn’t get used. Had the kids used it for the past four years, it would still work fine. So this metaphor is really about us, right? So the goals and or the consistency is to avoid the rusty set phenomenon, which is through the lack of use, whether that’s we’ve talked a lot about physical, but my writing every day is also about me staying sharp of mind, you know, and being able to do that.
01:08:47:05 – 01:09:08:07
Joe Gagnon
I have to go through a process. I to think that we use words, I have to edit, etc. and even someone said to me, When are you going to start writing the blog? And I said, I don’t understand the question. I said, Well, you know, aren’t you going to just like maybe, I don’t know, another year I’m like, I don’t know, I’d sooner not sleep or eat.
01:09:08:07 – 01:09:33:14
Joe Gagnon
This is like not a question of I’m doing something for a period of time and doing this for my life. You know, it’s like this is actually really important to maintaining vibrancy. And so I do like having goals like, okay, what 200 mile race am I doing next year? So I make sure that I get geared up looking for a new big adventure.
01:09:33:21 – 01:09:57:05
Joe Gagnon
That process is really fun and creative. Friend of mine said to me, Which ones you’re thinking about next year? I wrote him back is like, Holy cow, you’re really thinking this. I’m like, Yeah. And so the process of thinking about the goals is almost as fun as setting the goal is achieving it. You know, in the book I wrote this sort of four words Dream it, plan it, practice it, do it.
01:09:57:24 – 01:10:28:08
Joe Gagnon
So spend some time in each of those spaces. Dream about what you’d love to do, plan it, see how you do it. That then start practicing and then go do it and do that. Methodology. It helps us, you know, in feels exciting. I think it’s really exciting to think about what pulls us into next year. You know, the podcast that I named was called Chasing Tomorrow because I’m always little leaning in, you know, I want to get there, I want to be in tomorrow.
01:10:28:08 – 01:10:51:22
Joe Gagnon
I want to go create more. And, you know, one of the method kids that you can use is a little bit of if you don’t like something, what do you want to do about like why would you leave it there? You know, oh, I don’t you know, that mirror test is a great one. You know, books stand in front of the mirror.
01:10:51:22 – 01:11:11:22
Joe Gagnon
Do you like what you see? If you don’t, then what would you do about it? And if you do, that’s great. Fantastic But like, let’s not rely on anyone else. And the goals that you set are yours. You don’t need any permission. You know, I love saying you don’t need permission to live the best version of your life.
01:11:12:23 – 01:11:31:16
Joe Gagnon
And and I do think that, you know, maybe one other point back on the you know, I don’t have enough time. I think in a family setting or a relationship setting, it’s important to recognize there’s others who are in the mix. And so I think we just have to have an agreement with them on what we’re going to set out to do.
01:11:32:10 – 01:11:48:24
Joe Gagnon
So, hey, I’m going to work out 6 hours a week. I’m going to do this. Is everyone okay with that? And so develop this level of respect for each other. Hey, I’m going to go out and play tennis and everyone be like, Oh yeah, that’s great. Hey, Dad, have a good time or Nathan, have a good time. You know, like that I.
01:11:48:24 – 01:12:19:06
Joe Gagnon
Think so. We we want to be mindful of the people around us. We also want to create these goals for ourselves so that we have that motivation in, you know, the dopamine receptor is a pretty strong one. It creates motivation. And the only thing that the brain doesn’t like is utility. So let’s stay away from that. Let’s have some goals and let’s avoid our rusty swing set where we don’t do anything against them.
01:12:19:06 – 01:12:45:10
Nathan Crane
I love that metaphor. It’s such a good metaphor. I want to pull up a recent blog post. This is October 27th that you wrote Anyone wants to read these blogs every day. They’re short and sweet and very insightful blogs. There’s a lot of inspiration here. It’s the high performance life dot net. But I’m going to read the second half of this because I think this is so poignant to our conversation.
01:12:45:10 – 01:13:07:01
Nathan Crane
You’re talking about the let’s show up mindset and you say the Let’s Show Up mindset is about a dedication to our journey, to be there for all who are in our life, to lend a helping hand and to hold ourselves to the highest of standards. When we show up, we make a positive difference in the lives of those around us and in our life as well.
01:13:07:01 – 01:13:29:07
Nathan Crane
Let’s sure we show up and make the most of this journey. It is our obligation. So when you write these, this is the end of the day. You’ve ran, you’ve worked, you’ve worked out, you’ve done everything. This is at night. And as you’re sitting writing, are you just you’re just sitting and kind of reflecting on things that you thought about throughout the day?
01:13:29:07 – 01:13:34:08
Nathan Crane
Inspirations kind of shows me your writing process. I think that’s really interesting. Yeah.
01:13:35:01 – 01:14:02:07
Joe Gagnon
I know. You know, because probably could be better. I, I don’t back them up like I don’t write sides and then publish them because it’s the daily that’s actually the benefit for me. You know, there, if I’m going to do a 100 mile race and I’m out on the course, I will do too when I start that part so I can keep the consistency.
01:14:02:07 – 01:14:26:16
Joe Gagnon
But that seems fair. But otherwise what I do is I sit down with a lot of quiet and start to think about, you know, some of the core of what I know what I named the book, The High-Performance Life and all that. Everyone’s like, Oh my God, I don’t have that. I’m like, No, but it’s about us relative to each other and ourselves.
01:14:26:23 – 01:14:56:03
Joe Gagnon
This isn’t about absolute performance. It’s just about a mindset and a belief that, you know, the human system is infinite, its potential. And so, you know, now after all these years, I have these topics in my head of, you know, well, maybe it was something that happened that day or happened that week. And I jotted down a note or two and I go back and start to think about really writing myself mostly.
01:14:56:03 – 01:15:18:15
Joe Gagnon
Nathan You know, it’s like, remind yourself that you have this responsibility to show up as, you know, the best version of you and I, I do. Every once in a while someone would give me a topic and say, Hey, Joe, could you write about this? That’s like the easiest thing ever. You know, if you wanted to give me a topic for tonight, I could probably write it in 7 minutes.
01:15:18:24 – 01:15:51:03
Joe Gagnon
There are some times that have happened when I look at the screen and blank for a long time, but you don’t have anything in you. And so I said, What I tend to do then is I find some people who I like, they’re writing and I’ll read some things to help stimulate. I’ve become a bit of a stoic philosopher fan, you know, and Marcus and Seneca, they, you know, 2000 years ago, they were thinking some pretty good thoughts.
01:15:51:11 – 01:16:10:10
Joe Gagnon
And so that’s like another inspired option for me. And so sometimes, you know, it’s a funny thing, right? You know, like I was listening to some writers on a podcast this morning and they were talking about sometimes they have no idea where it comes from, you know, and all of a sudden triggers. So it’s the quiet, it’s the process.
01:16:10:10 – 01:16:37:17
Joe Gagnon
It’s putting myself back in that familiar zone and my system clicks in and and then the writing is really easy. It’s stylistically similar, you know, at once just to make people laugh. I used to write the blog and everyone knew it wasn’t me, you know, like, you can’t create my style from a I. It’s, you know, it’s very clear if I had a guest, they’d be like, Oh, that wasn’t you, you know?
01:16:37:17 – 01:17:12:10
Joe Gagnon
And so, so I feel like, you know, it’s the establishment of a process, probably. I’ve shortened it. You know, I used to write a lot more than people said, Yeah, I don’t want to read that much. So I’ve actually condensed it down to very like if you got a minute, you can read it. And yeah, if you go to that website, you can sign up with your email and you’ll get a daily blog from me and I commit to doing it for ever because it’s going to help me be a better version of me.
01:17:12:10 – 01:17:54:10
Joe Gagnon
And if it helps, you know, what fun is every once in a while, you know, because my email is in there. Like I get a response back from someone and said, Wow, that wouldn’t really hit me. Well today. And I’m like, Oh, wow, well, that’s cool. Oh, one of those, you know, sometimes life things trigger. My very good friend got a diagnosis pancreatic cancer and you know he has a limited time left to live and his you know, just a couple of years older than me and that made me very reflective for a little while, you know, really thinking about oh wow can use it well because he expect that at all and so so
01:17:54:10 – 01:18:21:13
Joe Gagnon
those times every once in a while then there’ll be some thematic push through for some days where I’m still processing that. But it’s a blessing for sure that I’ve found this method. And then, you know, once it’s done, I feel at peace. Hmm. So it’s like, Oh, Violet, sit down in bed. Nathan I’m like, I fall asleep within 30 seconds, and I have beautiful every night.
01:18:22:01 – 01:18:46:14
Joe Gagnon
Every night I never wake up I to go to the bathroom or something silly. But you know, because I think I feel like every day I go to bed feeling good about me, you know? I know there’s hard things going on in this world. I am not ignoring that. I understand if I can do something, I will. But about what I feel that I can do and deliver and bring every day.
01:18:47:22 – 01:19:08:07
Joe Gagnon
Go through all these steps. Bring your best version. You don’t have any problems sleeping because you’re at peace and you want to go recharge and you wake up and you feel great and you want to go do it again. And it’s something that I never expected to find. Boy, I’m so happy I did.
01:19:08:07 – 01:19:38:11
Nathan Crane
Joe, your life is incredibly inspiring, and if people aren’t inspired after listening this whole thing, I don’t know what to tell you. I’m sorry. You’re on the wrong planet because I’m inspired. I’m actually. I used to write a lot more. I’m actually getting you’re inspiring me to start writing again. And and just that that mindset of the, you know, don’t quit, stay focused, you know, go through the hard times, push yourself through when you have a goal.
01:19:38:11 – 01:19:55:21
Nathan Crane
Like one of the biggest takeaways, I think for me from our conversation today that I love so much is that, you know, being so committed to yourself it’s you’re not doing this for anybody else necessarily, even though that’s not a bad thing if it’s for family or someone you love. But, you know, you’re doing things for yourself every day.
01:19:55:21 – 01:20:15:12
Nathan Crane
And that’s not selfish. It’s taking care of yourself. That’s self-care, right? You are saying, look, I made this commitment to myself and I’m going to stick to it. And I think if anybody takes away anything that alone, you know, whether it’s a weight loss goal, it’s, you know, dealing with the chronic diseases like cancer, it’s a relationship, it’s fitness business, whatever it is.
01:20:15:12 – 01:20:34:22
Nathan Crane
And you say, look, I’ve made this commitment to myself. I’m going to stick to it. I’m going to do that for myself. That alone is one of the most empowering things you and I both know that anybody can do. And the more we do it, the more we are empowered by the experiences that we have from it and so do it.
01:20:34:22 – 01:20:45:18
Nathan Crane
It was awesome catching up with you. I just love having a conversation with you. I mean, you truly are incredibly inspiring. So, Joe, thanks for thanks for coming on the podcast, man. I appreciate it.
01:20:46:12 – 01:21:03:21
Joe Gagnon
And for pleasure. I commit to this to do the same thing again in the year and we’ll talk about the more things we did and we’ll keep delivering and Nathan, thank you for including me in your quest and in your life, I feel similarly back to you. So blessings to.
01:21:03:21 – 01:21:26:22
Nathan Crane
You. Absolutely. And I do recommend people go read your book, Living the High Performance Life. I have a copy. I’ve actually read it and I’ve shared it with family members who they said it was incredibly inspiring for them as well. It’s on Amazon living the high performance life. Joe Gagnon Go get a copy of that. Guys will love it.
01:21:26:22 – 01:21:29:13
Nathan Crane
And thanks again. Take care.
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00:00:00:00 – 00:00:29:09
Nathan Crane
Everybody, welcome back to the podcast. Today I am joined by Dr. Toni Galardi, who is a union trained psychotherapist and an executive coach. She’s an evolutionary medical astrologer and author of The Life Quake Phenomenon. Also, her new book that has just come out is called Breast Quake. And she shares her journey through breast cancer and what she has done to help heal herself.
00:00:29:13 – 00:00:33:02
Nathan Crane
And excited, Toni, to have you here on a podcast. Thanks for coming on.
00:00:34:03 – 00:00:37:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
All right. You’re one of my heroes. And so it’s an honor to be here.
00:00:38:09 – 00:00:43:17
Nathan Crane
Oh, that’s that’s really humbling to hear. Why do you say that? In what way? What do you do?
00:00:43:22 – 00:01:08:10
Dr. Toni Galardi
I’ll tell you why. Well, I mentioned you three times in my book because when I was originally diagnosed, I started to do an immersion in research because the turning point was in the breast cancer surgeon’s office when she said she looked at the scans and she was looking at them for the first time after the biopsy, and she said, Oh, my gosh.
00:01:08:10 – 00:01:14:22
Dr. Toni Galardi
And I thought, oh, you know, she’s seeing something that’s really bad, right? She said, Your tumor is in the shape of a heart.
00:01:15:07 – 00:01:15:18
Nathan Crane
Hmm.
00:01:16:00 – 00:01:38:22
Dr. Toni Galardi
And one of my girlfriends who came with me said a cracked heart. She was looking at it because there was a, you know, line down the middle. And she said, well, that’s because two tumors merged into one and I knew that because it’s in the left upper quadrant of my left breast, that this was emotional and I knew that I needed to find answers.
00:01:38:22 – 00:01:57:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
And so one of the things I did was immerse myself in your your your summit and your holistic. Tell us some which were a lifesaver, you know, because it helped me to understand I had gone to Optimum Health Institute at age 30 when I had Epstein-Barr inside.
00:01:57:22 – 00:01:59:01
Nathan Crane
And the one in San Diego.
00:02:00:07 – 00:02:27:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
Which is like the, you know, your hypocrisies in Florida. And so I knew I saw people with advanced stages of cancer kill themselves with enough detoxification. And the fact that they took on the mental, emotional, spiritual and physical I knew I needed to kind of adopt that model. And because I’m a psychotherapist, I knew there was emotional trauma that was connected to this tumor.
00:02:27:09 – 00:02:52:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
I had lost both of my parents six months apart, a few years before I had moved across country from California to Asheville. I broke up with in a five year relationship, we were engaged. So it was boom, boom, boom, change after change after change and not enough time to process the emotional trauma. So there was so I started gathering because I’m a researcher and I’ve had the path of the wounded healer.
00:02:52:06 – 00:03:22:13
Dr. Toni Galardi
I’ve almost died three times, you know, over the course of my adult life. Yeah. I’ve had that initiation, the shamanic initiation and everything that ever happened to me. I turned around and helped other people. So I knew that when this went that the way I was going to heal breast cancer, it needed to be a way that other people could adopt because there are plenty of people who can’t go and spend the money at Optimum Health or a cancer clinic, you know, because they’re expensive.
00:03:22:14 – 00:03:46:20
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, I looked into them 30,000 a month, you know, so I started looking at end the traditional. And I, I just want to quote this the Journal of American Medical Association in February of this year. Here’s this traditional journal saying that women are paying more for breast cancer treatment and they’re concerned about this. They’re obviously talking about traditional treatment.
00:03:47:06 – 00:04:11:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
Women are paying more for for breast cancer treatment than colorectal, lung and prostate cancer combined. Okay. So if that’s happening in the traditional world where, you know, people have $10,000 deductibles and whatnot, I thought I’ve got to find a way to heal me because my thing is helping others. It’s everything I’ve ever, ever gotten, you know, physically I’ve gone on to help others.
00:04:11:18 – 00:04:36:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I said, I’ve got to find a way to biohacking this. So that I so that people can do this at home. And so when I heard, you know, there are things that you said and people you interviewed that you can’t find on the Internet. So people like you are doing this amazing service. And that’s why I mentioned you three different times in my book of things that you had said that I took with me.
00:04:36:02 – 00:05:05:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
For example, I started doing Vitamin C, IVs. I did exactly. I did a bunch of things and things that were the ACA catches a dollar a day, you know, and this company that I adore, these people, you know, they have a company called SCA, a genuine SCA, and they will, if you do their program 33 times a day on an empty stomach, three ounces of their their tea, you make it the way they tell you to make you drink it three times a day for six months.
00:05:05:02 – 00:05:10:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
If you don’t reverse cancer, they give you your money back. So it was like that.
00:05:10:04 – 00:05:23:02
Nathan Crane
And holy cow. That’s amazing. I mean, one, it’s amazing that they’re they’re able to, you know, I mean, they’re not making they’re not making a claim. Right? I mean, are they guaranteeing it or they’re just saying, we’ll give you your money back.
00:05:23:15 – 00:05:24:09
Dr. Toni Galardi
If it doesn’t.
00:05:24:13 – 00:05:35:01
Nathan Crane
If it if it doesn’t work, which is which is awesome to do. Right. I mean, that’s going to draw a lot of attention to them. Unfortunately, a lot of negative attention.
00:05:35:16 – 00:05:36:07
Dr. Toni Galardi
So something.
00:05:36:07 – 00:05:36:18
Nathan Crane
Pretty cool.
00:05:37:17 – 00:06:01:14
Dr. Toni Galardi
Something you said and you were interviewing a doctor and you said you were talking about a story of a woman who had been doing holistic treatment, but then at the last minute, like she got convinced into having surgery, you know, she had like a centimeter left or something like that pressured into having the surgery. And when they opened her up, it was necrotic tissue.
00:06:01:18 – 00:06:03:03
Nathan Crane
Right, exactly.
00:06:03:03 – 00:06:21:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I went on and I look this up, I have it, I have it in my book, actually. So things I got from you then I was able to go on and do the research. If you don’t know where to go, you won’t find them on the Internet. And that’s it. Yeah. So your summits are so invaluable for this kind of thing.
00:06:21:03 – 00:06:42:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
So what I did was I found the substantiation. There is a radiologist in Oslo who was saying, we can’t tell in some tumors. We can’t tell the difference between dead cancer cells and live ones, which is and I asked my breast cancer surgery and I had to go in because she thinks I’m a pain in the ass. I mean, I’m I mean, nothing to her, right?
00:06:42:18 – 00:07:04:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
Because I have surgery, but I have to come back and I have one year, you know, every year I have to go and see her and I talk to her, you know, doing a mammogram with an eye contrast instead of the MRI with the, you know, the the black dye. So anyway, she I asked her, I said, is it true that you can’t tell the difference after you do radiation?
00:07:04:15 – 00:07:27:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know? And she said, yeah, that’s why we we wait, you know, because it takes time for the body to clear the dead tissue. Well, vitamin C, for example, high dose intravenous vitamin C has the same kind of effect. It’s oxygenating not just the tumor, but every cancer cell in your body that might you might not know about.
00:07:27:04 – 00:07:27:14
Dr. Toni Galardi
Right.
00:07:27:14 – 00:07:57:16
Nathan Crane
Exactly. Yeah. The vitamin C is is a prerequisite for hydrogen peroxide. And so the more vitamin C you have, the more hydrogen peroxide your body makes. And hydrogen peroxide, is it literally kills cancer cells. So, you know, that’s the theory behind why high dose vitamin C works so well against cancer is because it’s producing so much hydrogen peroxide naturally inside your body, which is, as we’re talking about, you know, highly oxygenating the environment around the cells.
00:07:57:16 – 00:08:28:09
Nathan Crane
And we know cancer cells can’t live in a highly oxygenated environment. They, you know, they require an anaerobic environment lacking oxygen. So, yeah, it is interesting that we have these natural solutions for basically the similar mechanisms of action that conventional therapies or chemotherapies, radiation, etc. does to the cancer cell. But in this case, high dose vitamin C is not damaging the healthy cells.
00:08:28:10 – 00:08:57:21
Nathan Crane
That’s that’s the really cool thing. But we also have to be super careful because these giant social media companies will take this information and and and, as you said, prevent it from getting out to the public. YouTube now is actually going against going out and and seeking cancer content and and de-platforming and removing it from YouTube. Yeah. Even if it’s based in evidence, just like they did for COVID.
00:08:57:21 – 00:09:15:23
Nathan Crane
So I’m like, I don’t know what’s going to happen with my YouTube channel at this point, you know? But everything we share is, is either like your case, you’re sharing your story and what you did and how you healed. And everything that we share and talk about is evidence based. I mean, it’s in the journal, everything, literature, evidence.
00:09:16:23 – 00:09:41:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
Everything I did is evidence based. So the Riordan protocol, you can find if you know where to go by, you know, by googling Riordan word and protocol because he has one of the few people who could get the the money to do a formal, you know, evidence based clinical trial. You know, who pays for clinical trials?
00:09:41:24 – 00:10:05:19
Dr. Toni Galardi
Mostly pharmaceutical companies, right? So getting the money to be able to show efficacy is not easy. But he has 50 years of advocacy behind his protocol, you know, and now his son has taken on that that work as well. But there is there’s too much trauma. And so I only did things that I knew could because I didn’t want to be taken down, you know.
00:10:06:00 – 00:10:27:11
Dr. Toni Galardi
But I so I did things that have evidence based. SC Actually 100 years of data on since the twenties. So the things that I did all are evidence based. Then there were the things I got into because I’m a career coach that have to do with occupational risk and that I didn’t see in any book that I read on alternative treatment of breast cancer.
00:10:27:11 – 00:10:57:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, no one is, but because this is my passion is helping people get aligned. You know, I came out of addiction treatment and one of the things I brought to addiction treatment consulting was having people look at what can drive addiction when when someone is not doing something, they’re passionate about and that when you include that, you know, in residential treatment where someone gets to look at like, what am I really what do I want to do with my life that makes my life thrive?
00:10:57:06 – 00:11:12:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I started looking at that and there are actual occupations that are tied that puts you more at risk than any other occupation for breast cancer. And so I have that in my book as well.
00:11:12:06 – 00:11:30:06
Nathan Crane
Well, number one, thank you for sharing that with me. I’m so glad that the you know, the work that I and my team have been able to do supported you in your healing journey like that. I just I love hearing stories like yours because it makes me, you know, so fulfilled to to continue doing this work because it’s not easy.
00:11:30:06 – 00:11:52:14
Nathan Crane
It’s not easy that, you know, it’s like we get attacked, we get deplatformed, we get censored. We have people calling us quacks and fakes and whatever. Right. And it’s like your story is amazing and incredible. And I’ve heard a lot of stories like that. They, you know, follow information, follow our coaching Archer docu series, you know, read my books, etc., etc., make the chain.
00:11:52:14 – 00:12:07:18
Nathan Crane
It’s not me who’s doing it right. It’s you. It’s it’s the patients is the clients. It’s the people who say, Yeah, this all make sense to me. I’m making the changes in my life. I’m changing my diet, I’m implementing these protocols. I’m going to reduce my stress. I’m going to heal my emotional trauma, I’m going to do sauna, etc., etc..
00:12:08:01 – 00:12:31:13
Nathan Crane
And then, you know, I hear I got an email not too long ago from from a woman who said, you know, my my cancer is regressing. I’ve been following everything you’ve been teaching for the past year. And my latest scan actually shows my cancer is regressing. So it’s intentional what you’ve done. And it’s cool that you’re, you know, you’ve put this in to information that you can share with others.
00:12:31:13 – 00:12:59:05
Nathan Crane
And I want to get more into your specific protocols in this podcast. I have some other questions for you though, in the meantime, but one just thank you for sharing that. It truly, truly touches my heart to hear it and to see you. You know where you’re at, thriving now, able to take what could have been a devastating, you know, life destroying diagnosis and turn it into something positive and meaningful to then go out and help others.
00:12:59:05 – 00:13:01:08
Nathan Crane
And it’s changed your life for the better, obviously.
00:13:02:10 – 00:13:22:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
And to be able to glow during in the in the in the in the middle of breast cancer, I took pictures. I had people take pictures that I put in the book of what you can look like in the middle of breast cancer treatment. I was originally diagnosed at stage two invasive ductal carcinoma, and in the middle of my treatment halfway through, I am my face is clean.
00:13:22:17 – 00:13:33:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
I thought I was in really good health. I organic non gluten non alcohol diet you name it but man detoxing what that does, it’s the best cosmetic in the world.
00:13:35:02 – 00:14:00:00
Nathan Crane
Yeah 100%. I just shared my detox protocol with a friend yesterday. He’s like, Hey, do you know anything about heavy metals? I’m like, Yeah, I’m researching heavy metals and detoxing and sharing that for like 15 years with people. And so I sent in some info yesterday. I’ve got like a daily detox protocol that I recommend that kind of hits heavy metals fungus, parasites, candida, etc. It is something you can do.
00:14:00:00 – 00:14:25:11
Nathan Crane
Morning, evening. Each day. Keep it simple, but detox is critical with how many toxins we’re exposed to today and I want to go back I want to share a little bit since we glossed over that story, because I think I mean, that story touched me in such a profound way as well. The story that I shared in our documentary series, The Missing Link that you’re talking about of the woman who she was, she I don’t remember what stage she was.
00:14:25:11 – 00:14:48:11
Nathan Crane
I think she was like stage four of stage four. She had a pretty big breast cancer tumor there, you know, and but she was doing everything natural. She was following the holistic protocols. She was you know, the tumor basically had stopped growing. And it was for quite a while she had changed her diet and she was doing emotional healing and she was doing a whole bunch of a holistic approach.
00:14:48:22 – 00:15:11:16
Nathan Crane
And the tumor stopped growing. But she was told by, I think it was a family members or somebody had convinced her and said, look, that’s it’s going to kill you. You have to get that out of you. Now, even though she’d been doing this protocol following her integrative doctors guidance, you know, it didn’t she didn’t have many symptoms from it.
00:15:11:16 – 00:15:33:13
Nathan Crane
It wasn’t impeding in her life in any way. It wasn’t, you know, it was just the fear. It was just the fear of someone in your ear. And this is something people can take a lot away from, is we have to learn how to differentiate between somebody else’s fear projecting on us and what our own intuition is telling us.
00:15:33:13 – 00:15:56:10
Nathan Crane
And her intuition told her, go holistic, go natural. That was her choice. And and, you know, results, if you stop the progression of a tumor, that’s results. It’s not growing anymore. Like, that’s amazing that that alone should tell you, hey, what I’m doing is working, but someone’s in her ear putting all this fear in her. So she so she goes in and ends up getting I think it was so large.
00:15:56:10 – 00:16:16:05
Nathan Crane
I don’t even think I don’t not sure if it was just a lumpectomy, but actually actually had her breast completely removed. That’s what it was. She had her breast removed because it was, I believe, metastasized. I think it was like I think it was stage three or stage four. And then when they looked in open up the tumor, it was all dead.
00:16:16:22 – 00:16:36:16
Nathan Crane
The tumor was completely dead. The body was just processing those dead cells. And that can take a long time. I can take a long time for your body to get rid of that. Well, now, here she is. She has no more breasts. Her breasts don’t she can’t do anything about that. Right? Like you can’t put a breast back on once it’s gone.
00:16:37:05 – 00:17:14:17
Nathan Crane
And you know, to me, that was so eye opening and so shocking. It’s like, you know, sometimes you got to trust your intuition. Sometimes you got to trust what you feel is the right thing to do and just shut out all the outside noise of other people’s fears projecting onto you. That certainly was the case. I mean, if she would have and I talked about this with the doctor who was treating her, and he agreed that if she would have just kept doing what she was doing and let her body process that that tissue on its own in months, maybe a couple of years, you don’t know the time length, but most likely the body
00:17:14:17 – 00:17:27:01
Nathan Crane
would have removed all those dead cells itself. That tumor would have completely dissolved and the body would have taken care of it, and she would have never had to remove her breast. But, you know, that’s that’s the power of fear.
00:17:28:07 – 00:17:45:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
That’s why I call it a breast quake. And of what I think of a breast quake is the awakening into your own inner wisdom and being willing to listen to what is your gut. And I, as a therapist, I work with this all the time, and I have exercises in this book about how to strengthen like a muscle.
00:17:45:24 – 00:18:05:10
Dr. Toni Galardi
Your intuition to hear, to listen to your own guidance. For example, when they did the biopsy, she wanted to immediately do an MRI. And I asked, Can we wait on this? And it was a slow growing tumor. You know, that’s another thing to ask. That question is, do I have time? And that’s what I asked her. Do I have time?
00:18:05:20 – 00:18:24:07
Dr. Toni Galardi
People don’t ask that kind of question. They hear cancer and they go passive. Just tell me what to do, doc. Just tell me what to do. And so I said, I have time. I said, okay, I would rather wait on the MRI and do my thing and in three months we can do the MRI. I said, I’ll agree to that if we can.
00:18:24:07 – 00:18:44:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
If we can, if you give me three months. So in that three month period of time, it’s when I did certain things, you know, that I did all on my own. By the way, I was not managed by a physician of any kind, and I found a center that does IVs. There’s something called the G6 PD, which is a lab test.
00:18:45:09 – 00:19:03:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
If you do not have this kind of rare blood disorder, then they can do high dose vitamin C IVs with you, you know, and any time I start feeling rundown, I go and I just go over there and I get another 50 grams of vitamin C and I it because it supports your adrenals in a big way besides cancer, you know.
00:19:03:24 – 00:19:30:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
So three months pass. I do do the MRI and with that black diving, you know, shot into my body. But and it showed, according to the MRI, a 70% reduction. What she said to me was when she called to tell me the results, she said, your tumor is at 500 millimeters. And I said, 500 millimeters. That’s a 70% reduction.
00:19:30:21 – 00:19:48:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, she said, well, we don’t have an MRI to contrast it with. And I said, Well, what do you mean? I said, So are you telling me that I need to then have another MRI in six months? And she said no and a mammogram will be sufficient. And I just like, okay, I don’t understand how any of this works.
00:19:49:08 – 00:20:06:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I had to wait, but I knew it was gone. I could feel it with cause I could feel it, you know? And it was gone within three months of the biopsy. And but I had to wait for that half a centimeter, you know, that was left to clear the body and it did.
00:20:06:06 – 00:20:11:23
Nathan Crane
Did you. Sorry. Your first with the biopsy. Did you say you had an ultrasound to or how did they distinguish the size.
00:20:11:23 – 00:20:16:05
Dr. Toni Galardi
Of a mammogram? So three months prior to that, I had a mammogram.
00:20:16:05 – 00:20:20:15
Nathan Crane
Oh, you did have a mammogram? An ultrasound. Okay. So so they determined the size at that point.
00:20:21:13 – 00:20:41:07
Dr. Toni Galardi
They in three months prior. So in May, this was in August when the biopsy was done. In May is when I woke up and I felt the lump in my in my breast. So I told my doctor and we did the mammogram and ultrasound and the radiologist told me, because of the size of it, it was little more than two centimeters by two centimeters.
00:20:41:07 – 00:21:01:19
Dr. Toni Galardi
She thought it was a stage two. It looked invasive. And I just decided I was going to wait on the biopsy and do a ten pass. So I went to California and visited friends and did Ozone. So I did ozone therapy, five, five treatments of ozone therapy and continue doing coffee enemas and some other things that I talk about in the book.
00:21:02:05 – 00:21:03:11
Nathan Crane
And did they?
00:21:03:11 – 00:21:03:21
Dr. Toni Galardi
I did.
00:21:03:23 – 00:21:14:04
Nathan Crane
You did the ozone where they ran it through a put it into your blood into a blood machine, then put the blood back into your veins. Yeah.
00:21:15:04 – 00:21:35:05
Dr. Toni Galardi
So and they do that ten times. Yeah. They can do five passes and they can do ten passes. You know Dr. Liebowitz, who was the doctor who supervised that, you know, those treatments, told me that he had a patient come to see him who had metastatic, metastatic breast cancer. They could do nothing for her. They basically said it was in her.
00:21:35:10 – 00:21:56:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
She it started in her breast and went to her pelvis in her bones, supposedly. And he so they told her there’s nothing really they could give her maybe three months, you know, with chemo. And so she said she had nothing to lose. So she went to him and she could only afford to do five passes. So they did five passes twice a week for 16 weeks.
00:21:57:02 – 00:22:16:01
Dr. Toni Galardi
And at the end of 16 weeks, according to Dr. Liebowitz, it was gone. It was gone completely, completely. The body completely healed. So again, ozone is another form of oxygen, right? It’s just more expensive. It’s more expensive than vitamin C. IVs are, you know, like five X more expensive, you know. So it was.
00:22:16:10 – 00:22:17:24
Nathan Crane
Often what you do in coffee enemas.
00:22:18:20 – 00:22:43:05
Dr. Toni Galardi
Which twice a week. So so I want to make a point about that. I believe and because I address my book is oriented toward women who have stage 0 to 2, not advanced breast cancer. If I had had metastatic breast cancer, I would have been supervised. I would have gone to a holistic doctor or clinic, but it was covered and there was no naturopathy doctors taking the patients.
00:22:43:05 – 00:23:09:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I had to do my own research, you know. So but the thing that that I learned was that I didn’t have to do things as rigid as even the alternative. People will say, absolutely no sugar. Okay. Well, I went I was never I hadn’t been on refined sugar for a long time anyway. But I still gave myself, you know, raw cocoa chocolate made with coconut sugar, you know, I, you know, so gave myself fruit.
00:23:10:07 – 00:23:38:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
I wanted to do things because I was my own guinea pig to see would this work so that other people would stay on it because there are women who won’t stay on this program. Nathan You tell them, like some of the doctors that I know you’ve interviewed have said you have to do live food for a year. You know, well, if you’re metastatic, I would agree with that, you know, but if you’re in early stage breast cancer, you can allow yourself to have some joy so that you’ll keep doing the program.
00:23:38:02 – 00:23:39:03
Nathan Crane
You have a lot more time.
00:23:39:18 – 00:23:57:14
Nathan Crane
You have a lot more time. Yeah. And that’s that’s one of the big things that, you know, you were you were well-educated, well informed going into your oncologist, into your doctor and saying, hey, look, I I’m going to try some things for a few months and we’ll see what happens, you know, and then and then I’ll come back and we’ll check up on this.
00:23:57:14 – 00:24:20:02
Nathan Crane
I think that’s what I would do, too. I mean, that’s I think that’s really smart, especially if you’re stage one, stage two. I mean, you know, at later stages, there’s still there’s still more time than you often think there is now. Certain cases, you know, I mean, there are certain cases where, like an immediate surgery could save your life.
00:24:20:10 – 00:24:42:08
Nathan Crane
Hey, go for it, right? I mean, I’m not here to tell anybody what to do and what not to do. It’s like but if I were in the situation and yeah, you know, you’ve got a tumor blocking your colon and if we don’t get this out of you in the next week, like, you’re going to back up and die, like, okay, you know, let’s get it out, you know, and then focus on everything else or, you know, you’ve got, you know, a tumor on your brain stem is pushing up.
00:24:42:08 – 00:25:11:23
Nathan Crane
And, you know, there’s certain cases where it’s like, hey, I would do surgery, get that thing out of me. Western medicine can be great for surgery, but I think way more often than not, people are rushed into again out of fear from their oncologists into treatments. They know nothing about the long term effects of these treatments, the safety of these treatments, the damages of these treatments, and end up making decisions that, you know, sometimes they feel terrible about.
00:25:11:23 – 00:25:33:09
Nathan Crane
And I know this because we talk to them, because they come to us, because they get recurrence. So, you know, they do the surgery, chemotherapy, radiation. Right. And then the cancer comes back three years later. And it’s like, Doctor, I thought you healed me. What’s going on here? And so then they find us because they research and go, Hey, there’s something else going on here that’s causing the cancer.
00:25:33:09 – 00:25:53:01
Nathan Crane
What’s once you ask that question, what’s causing the cancer? And then you’ll usually find out material. You know, you’ll find concrete cancer, you’ll find my books, you’ll find our docu series, documentaries, all that stuff. Because we look at the cause, the root cause, and we know what the causes of cancer are. You know, your oncologist doesn’t know because they’re not trained on that, because they’re trained on pharmacology and they’re trained on surgery and radiation.
00:25:53:09 – 00:26:20:19
Nathan Crane
They’re trained on symptom management and attacking the disease like the disease is is an enemy against you. And it’s not the disease as a result of an exact set of circumstances that our bodies have been introduced to through the internal and external environment for a long period of time. Right. And so most cases, long period times sometimes a short period of time like, you know, heavy stresses for three months, six months, a year.
00:26:20:19 – 00:26:55:00
Nathan Crane
I mean, that’s kind of a short period of time, but it can, boom, make a cancer grow rapidly. So when you start looking at the causes, what causes? Then you can start to think through, okay, what can I do about this? And addresses that. The root cause. And there’s so many, you know, they call them spontaneous healings. They’re actually I had Dr. Bernie SIEGEL, I don’t know if you know him, but we’re honoring him with a lifetime achievement award at our Integrative Cancer Conference or bill jansing cancer conference coming up is turning 92 on Saturday of our conference October 14th.
00:26:55:22 – 00:27:37:14
Nathan Crane
And he he’s such an amazing man, by the way. He’s like he’s he’s such a just a brilliant, funny, incredible man. But I forgot what I was going to say about him specifically. I like 100 thoughts coming at same time that I want to share. But but, you know, Bernie has helped his so many of his patients heal from, quote, unquote, incurable stages of cancer, oftentimes by helping them rethink and re examine their life and understand, you know, what’s at the root of all this stress and problems in their life.
00:27:37:14 – 00:27:53:05
Nathan Crane
And they get to that root and then they go home and start doing something that brings them passion and meaning and purpose. And then 14 years later, they walk into his office and he goes, You’re supposed to be dead. You know, 14 years ago, what happened here? They’re like, Well, I went home, I started gardening and landscaping and doing things I enjoyed.
00:27:53:05 – 00:28:17:20
Nathan Crane
I just forgot to die, you know? And it’s those kinds of stories that are just, like, incredibly inspiring. Obviously, there’s no guarantees with cancer. But in your case, as you discovered, you know, researching and taking action and following your intuition and getting guidance, you know, being smart about it, doing it safely, all that kind of stuff. You know, you have so much more time in a lot of cases than you’re led to believe that you do.
00:28:19:12 – 00:28:43:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
What I wanted in this book was also prevent to be focused on prevention because I have a passion for prevention. My first two books were about helping people figure out when it’s time to lead the life that they were in before they hit the wall. And because so many people wait until catastrophic crisis, whether it’s a health crisis or it’s a job crisis, before they before they do anything.
00:28:43:12 – 00:29:15:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
And so life quake in my first two books was examining how do you find your purpose. So in this book it was important to look at root cause. What’s the root cause emotionally? What’s the root cause environmentally? What’s driving this? One of the things that I discovered by, you know, some of the women wonderful doctor Jen Simmons, who wrote the foreword to my book, breast cancer surgeon, who talks about in the in the foreword that this is a symptom, that breast cancer is a symptom of an environmental problem going on in your life.
00:29:15:09 – 00:29:42:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
And that what is zero estrogenic is the cause, not the Astrid dial in a woman’s body. And women have been led to believe that when they have an estrogen positive tumor, that it means it’s because they have too much estrogen. So what do they give you? Tamoxifen, aromatase inhibitors, pharmaceutical aromatase and aromatase inhibitors, instead of things like din and broccoli sprouts and things of that nature that, you know, I now grow.
00:29:43:08 – 00:29:45:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I took a look at organics.
00:29:45:12 – 00:29:46:11
Nathan Crane
Soy Yeah.
00:29:47:14 – 00:30:12:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yeah. It’s so important to look at, you know, Bernie, I mentioned Bernie in this book as well. I one of the things I loved about his book also was that he said he really helps a patient get in touch with what can they get behind because it’s placebo. So I do the same thing as as a as a therapy, as a psychotherapist and as a coach is what can this person get behind?
00:30:12:15 – 00:30:51:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
That’s going to be the best healing for them. So I say it several times in the book. I don’t I don’t condemn anybody who chooses to have a lumpectomy or a mastectomy or whatever it is. If that’s something they can totally, 100% get behind and believe, this will help them heal. My concern is that for stage zero and this is happening as a trend in traditional medicine, they are telling women, breast cancer surgeons are telling women that if you have a mastectomy and of course, people want to have a bilateral mastectomy so that they both look, you know, the same both breasts look the same if only one breast has dysplasia.
00:30:51:15 – 00:31:16:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
And what stage zero is is dysplasia. It’s not an invasive cancer. It’s a it’s a pre-cancer. It’s condition mostly derived from inflammation, you know, an imbalance in the body and all you you know, for the most part, if you have stage zero breast cancer, if you detox your liver, you detox your colon, that’s going to go away. If you look at your life and you see what I’m doing for a living.
00:31:17:10 – 00:31:44:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
Am I passionate about what I’m doing this? Am I in a good relationship? One of the I have a whole chapter on toxic marriage, and there’s data, clinical data that shows women in their forties. And by the way, in 2022, it jumped doubled the number of younger women getting breast cancer. Now, it was 10 to 13% of breast cancer diagnoses were women over 50.
00:31:44:19 – 00:31:52:01
Dr. Toni Galardi
Now it’s getting younger and younger, and it has literally it doubled in one year, you know, well, you know, 20, 25%.
00:31:52:12 – 00:32:16:11
Nathan Crane
It’s a president is the number one killer of cancer in women as well. And it’s the number one cancer in women. And it’s it’s very sad. It’s very sad and troubling and scary, you know, for a woman, for anybody to be told you have cancer, you know, and and then rushed into, like I said, treatments you might not know anything about.
00:32:16:11 – 00:32:36:03
Nathan Crane
And so I love what you’re doing, which is, you know, empowering and educating women and saying, hey, especially stage one, stage two and prevention and saying, hey, here’s what you need to know. Here’s some options. Here’s some things to think about. You know, that way when you have a diagnosis, you can take a few steps back and do some research and then make an educated decision.
00:32:36:03 – 00:32:58:00
Nathan Crane
I mean, that’s that’s all I that’s all I wanted. That’s all I wanted. Since I’ve started this work with cancer specifically well over a decade ago, because my grandfather passed from what I believe were the treatments that he was receiving. And chemotherapy, radiation, I believe, killed him, not the cancer. And I have a lot of evidence to support that, but personal, you know, anecdotal evidence to support that.
00:32:58:00 – 00:33:16:02
Nathan Crane
And and I met a lot of people along the way who have said exactly the same thing. And so all I want to do is learn about what can we actually do to prevent cancer and to help our bodies fight cancer naturally. And then and then know our options. If you’re ever diagnosed, what other options do you have?
00:33:16:02 – 00:33:42:07
Nathan Crane
Is that the only option? Well, no, that’s not the only option. There are a lot of options, but I want to read it. We’re talking about Bernie Segal. I, I, I was doing a recording with him yesterday and asked him, you know, five or 10 minutes for his acceptance speech, for the conference, for his lifetime achievement award. And, you know, with Bernie, it’s it’s like he’s going to tell stories for hours and hours.
00:33:42:07 – 00:34:07:02
Nathan Crane
And I love his stories and I love and I’m just sitting there like, you know, it’s late in the evening. I’m I’m late for, you know, seeing my kids after school, going to the gym, eating. I’m hungry, I’m tired. It’s like 530, 6:00. I had a long day and then I’ve got Bernie on here talking for like, you know, supposed to be five or 10 minutes and it’s like an hour later and I’m like, All right, Bernie, we got to wrap up now.
00:34:07:02 – 00:34:33:19
Nathan Crane
And he’s like, okay, I got I got a good story for wrap up. He tells oh, you know what? One more thing to help make the point and oh, one more story. I got to share it. You know, it’s it’s like I’m sitting there and I’m actually reveling in it and and really trying to, like, push aside the hunger and the urgency to leave and all that human ego stuff and just like be present with this incredibly brilliant, wise, loving man and like, you know, receive this wisdom that he’s sharing.
00:34:34:04 – 00:34:50:23
Nathan Crane
And so, you know, it was honestly a struggle and at the same time really rewarding. And I’m glad I did and didn’t, you know, cut him off early. So we have like almost an hour of just like gold that he shared. But now I figure out how to, like, cut 5 minutes out of that for his acceptance speech.
00:34:51:08 – 00:35:24:22
Nathan Crane
But anyway, he emailed me afterwards and he says, Remember to tell people to draw and talk to themselves and learn about who they really are and their family too, and helps you as parents very much. Peace be with you, Bernie is a lot of his work is you know you read his book you know he would have going back to hey if someone wants to choose chemotherapy, radiation, etc., what he would do is have them first draw themselves, hey, draw yourself in in the room, having surgery, draw a picture, paint a picture of yourself.
00:35:24:22 – 00:35:44:09
Nathan Crane
It doesn’t matter if you’re an artist, doesn’t matter. Just draw something of yourself in the room receiving the treatment. And if he ever saw anything from that drawing from that person that had like he would see drawings that like showed them was like Xs on their eyes or, you know, like symbols of death and things like that. He said, Don’t do the treatment.
00:35:44:17 – 00:36:01:01
Nathan Crane
Don’t do the treatment until you get your mind around that. This treatment is going to be good for you. And then if you saw someone there with family and hugging and like he drew you know, someone drew themselves looking happy and healthy, he said, hey, keep that’s great. Keep this in your mind that the treatment is going to help you.
00:36:01:12 – 00:36:21:15
Nathan Crane
And he would encourage them to draw, actually draw and paint pictures of themselves and think about and visualize themselves receiving the treatment and being benefited from it and being healed from it. You know, you’re talking about placebo. This is what he did with his patients. And he had the best patient. He had the best outcomes for his patients out of anybody in his hospital.
00:36:21:15 – 00:36:43:23
Nathan Crane
And so a lot of the nurses wanted to work with him because he always had these crazy, incredible results with patients where some patients, they wouldn’t lose their hair. And he showed his nurses their paintings where they drew after treatment. You know, they drew hair on themselves and, you know, visualize themselves having energy and feeling good and not getting sick from the treatment.
00:36:43:23 – 00:37:08:15
Nathan Crane
And so there is 100% something to be said about, hey, whatever treatment you’re going into, make sure you feel good about it. Make sure you visualize yourself receiving benefit from it, make sure you go into it, you know, feeling strong and healthy and seeing yourself that way, because we know the power of the mind and its impact on the physiology and the outcome of the actions that we take for our own health.
00:37:09:10 – 00:37:22:00
Nathan Crane
And so he’s you know, Bernie is just a true legend. And he emailed me that last night. So I had to make sure to talk about it since we were talking about him.
00:37:22:00 – 00:37:51:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
We’re absolutely. So one of the things when I was talking about stage zero, there is a been a trend that breast cancer surgeons are telling patients that if they have this bilateral mastectomy, they don’t have to do radiation. And this is how what is talking women into it? You know, and it’s unfortunate. One of the things that I talk about in this book that’s a little of a very unconventional is medical astrology.
00:37:51:03 – 00:38:13:21
Dr. Toni Galardi
And medical astrology was taught in medical school at one time, you know, before we moved into the Cartesian age, which was all about the linear, you know, what you see is what you believe instead of what you believe is what you will manifest, right that we are now seeing and through quantum physics. But at one time, they took they took medical astrology out of medical schools.
00:38:14:06 – 00:38:43:05
Dr. Toni Galardi
And I began studying medical astrology in my thirties and then became a consultant to integrative and functional medicine doctors who had hard to teach. They couldn’t figure out a case. So I you know, they consulted with me and there were certain things that I could see on a chart. And one of the things that I studied was I looked at the charts of 30 celebrities and 30 women, and then four or celebrity men who had had breast cancer.
00:38:43:05 – 00:38:59:01
Dr. Toni Galardi
Because the numbers are going up in men as well. You may know that breast cancer, you know, although it’s still only a little less than 2% of breast cancer diagnoses, the numbers are jumping in, men being diagnosed.
00:38:59:01 – 00:39:07:02
Nathan Crane
So it’s it’s it’s about it’s in the thousands, I think is still very low. But it’s as you said, it is growing. Yeah, year after year.
00:39:07:20 – 00:39:37:14
Dr. Toni Galardi
It’s about 3000 a year of men who are diagnosed and 520 men died of breast cancer last year. So in the United States. But anyway so I wanted to see if there was a pattern. You know, could I was there a repetitive pattern in the charts of celebrities? And I thought given all the money they have, probably they must have, because I was looking for answers at the time, but they must have gone ballistic, you know, because they had the money to do this kind of thing.
00:39:37:22 – 00:39:57:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
None of the women that at least they weren’t admitting it on, you know, on record had done any kind of other than Suzanne Summers after she had, you know, a lumpectomy and radiation. And they gave her a hard time. The fact that she didn’t do chemo at that time and that she did mistletoe therapy, they gave her a hard time about that, you know.
00:39:57:12 – 00:40:21:11
Dr. Toni Galardi
So what I saw was a pattern there was a pattern and it was emotional in nature that there was a pattern of a certain kind of type of person who is more emotional and who has a lot of water in their. And and that kept repeating over and over again, you know, except for Sheryl Crow, she was the only only chart that I looked at that did not have water on the chart, but she was under a transit from the plant.
00:40:21:11 – 00:40:47:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
The rules water, which is Neptune. So there is that’s where it led me to start looking at the emotional piece. I thought, okay, if this is repeating over and over again in the charts of celebrity women and I have a metric, a water sign, you know, then is it possible that those who hold who process emotions differently, who who take on who are empaths, for example, people who are very empathic.
00:40:47:08 – 00:41:06:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
And so I read an interview actually with Sheryl Crow, even though she’s a fire air person, she’s an Aquarian. She said one thing she had to look at was overextending herself that she had this tendency to take on everybody else’s problems and was helping this person, helping that person, giving money here, giving money there, and that she had to learn to have better boundaries.
00:41:07:06 – 00:41:20:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
And this is one of the the the lessons of breast cancer, because I see that pattern in breast cancer, you know, women who are survivors, breast cancer thrivers is that they’ve had to look at sending better boundaries, you know, with others.
00:41:21:12 – 00:41:27:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Yeah, that’s huge. Have you researched German new medicine at all?
00:41:29:15 – 00:41:36:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
Well, there’s I mean, there’s a lot of German I mean, there’s a lot that comes out of Germany. There’s incredible machines. You know.
00:41:36:18 – 00:42:27:18
Nathan Crane
This is this is specific. KLEE It’s coined German new medicine. It was founded by Dr. Reich. HAMMER Decades ago. Are you familiar with that? So his his research, he took thousands of patients over his career and a brilliant doctor. I mean, incredibly brilliant early on, he started noticing a pattern among cancer patients and emotional trauma. And when he would dig into their charts in life and ask questions, and he started recognizing, hey, every single cancer patient, basically every single cancer patient that he was working with, whether it’s breast cancers, colon cancers, brain cancer didn’t really matter, had at some point previously a traumatic experience in their life.
00:42:28:15 – 00:42:57:03
Nathan Crane
And he started looking at he had a theory and he was able to verify it that that trauma actually caused a lesion on a specific part of the brain associated with that part of the body. And he was able to to verify this through MRIs and then he started, you know, really going deep into the science behind the connections in which part of the brain is that which part of the body is associate and the organ.
00:42:57:08 – 00:43:28:10
Nathan Crane
And he would find matching lesions on the brain and the organ that are associated with each other. And that particular trauma and started teaching this and sharing with others and actually ended up taking it to a really prominent school of medicine. And they told him, I mean, he had so much evidence of this and MRI’s and proof and case studies and reversed he has he claims to have a 90% cancer reversal rate from thousands of patients that he worked with over the years.
00:43:28:23 – 00:43:55:07
Nathan Crane
And they always and he took it to this university and gave them all the all the proof, all the data. And this was documented. I can’t remember who said it from that university was said. Dr. Hammer is 100% correct with his findings. But we we can never implement them here because it’s it’s in I’m not quoting this word for word, but it’s very similar.
00:43:55:07 – 00:44:16:05
Nathan Crane
It goes so much against what our conventional thinking is about cancer, about the body and disease that it just we just can’t do it. And that’s basically where it’s been left. And now German new medicine. Anyone can go out and learn about this yourself. You can buy books on it. There’s free videos all over online. It’s it’s a it’s a free thing accessible to everybody.
00:44:16:05 – 00:44:45:10
Nathan Crane
It’s really in-depth and very complex. But there’s a simple way to understand it. And they look at the cancer as a more of a healing result from that trauma. And when you finished your healing phase, when you finish your healing that trauma, that tumor finishes itself in your body, basically, you know, dissolve that tumor and you move on.
00:44:45:10 – 00:45:14:13
Nathan Crane
You can heal from it. But most people reactivate the trauma through the fear, through triggers, through other situations, through, you know, the prognosis and all the other things that the body actually can never heal, because then you’re in that sympathetic nervous system state for so long. So anyway, German new medicine, it’s really profound. But you were talking about in your own case, you recognized, hey, you were going through this stressful time and you had this kind of, you know, almost traumatic type experiences and then, boom, you had breast cancer.
00:45:14:13 – 00:45:17:17
Nathan Crane
I know so many people who had the same story. It’s incredible.
00:45:18:15 – 00:45:48:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
It’s also important to look at early childhood trauma. You know that. Yes, there is a predictor around trauma and the previous five years before a tumor shows up, no question about that. You know, loss losses often will if you don’t process them, if you don’t do somatic work. And so that’s why in this book, because I’m a psychotherapist in a shamanic practitioner, I teach people how to clear that on a daily basis.
00:45:48:24 – 00:46:12:21
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, we we take a shower every day, right? Twice a day sometimes. Right. We do all this stuff to clean. We clean our teeth. We do that ritual twice a day, cleansing your psychic body at end of the day is so important because disease starts in the bodies that are around the physical body. You know, we talk about chakras that are in the body.
00:46:12:21 – 00:46:32:10
Dr. Toni Galardi
Well, trauma starts there. It starts in their body. So if at the end of the day, you go back through and I have this exercise scanning the day and you look at any time during the day where there was something that hit your system in a shocking kind of way or was stressful to clear it. And I, you know, teach how to do that.
00:46:32:10 – 00:46:58:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, how to clear it out of your body so that you reset every day. You’re rebalancing your nervous system, taking it into parasympathetic before you go into sleep every single day. And anyone who’s had childhood trauma has that PTSD waiting to happen the minute something happens and their adult life. So if we don’t learn how to do this literally as a practice in a ritual, then it collects in it becomes a toxin.
00:46:59:05 – 00:47:02:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, emotions become toxins in the body.
00:47:03:13 – 00:47:18:03
Nathan Crane
So what what were some of the initial once you recognize did you recognize right away that like, hey, this is primarily emotional related your breast cancer, was that like a thought that you had early on?
00:47:18:08 – 00:47:30:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
Well, because it was in the shape of a heart and. It was on it was over the heart and in the left breast, which I know is, you know, the feminine side of the body, that immediately I thought, this is emotional.
00:47:30:23 – 00:47:37:09
Nathan Crane
And the cracked and the cracked heart that I think your friend said. Right. And you had just broken up a five year relationship. I think you said.
00:47:38:22 – 00:47:59:07
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yeah, right. Yeah. So and she said clinically, you know, the surgeon said, wow, that was two tumors, you know, that merged into one. And so I thought at the moment my thought was my parents deaths, they died six or just after I moved here and then COVID hit. So I had no part to go into. I was, you know, writing my second book.
00:47:59:13 – 00:48:33:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
I, I thought, Oh, I’ll have time to go out and meet people. And Asheville didn’t happen because we went down. Everything went down, right? And so I, you know, was sequestered. I was alone and lonely and and grieving and then literally my father’s death. And then six months later, my mother died. So there was this loss that I and I didn’t have to ask or I didn’t think I had time to really dig deep into that, to that grief and do a grief real appropriate grief work.
00:48:33:06 – 00:48:54:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
Because I was trying to get a book out. And it’s what was interesting is what happened was I did Dr. Sue Motor show, she was on a guy network. I did guy a couple of times. And then we did this interview at the end of January 2020. Okay. And in that interview, I was and I had breast cancer at the time, didn’t know it.
00:48:54:21 – 00:49:20:01
Dr. Toni Galardi
And I said my my in the in the interview, my prediction is part of the transformation on the planet that’s going to take us into more fifth dimension. Reality is the transformation that’s going to come through confronting cancer and addiction. And at three months later is when the interview the interview came broadcast April of 2020, when the world was in a global life quake.
00:49:20:12 – 00:49:38:07
Dr. Toni Galardi
Okay. So that I mean, the response I had, I didn’t expect this. I didn’t think many people would even watch the interview. You know, none of my friends had Gaia. So I think but it goes in 19 countries around the world. And so I started getting hundreds of people reaching out to me who were in their own life.
00:49:38:07 – 00:50:02:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
Quake. Right. And so but my context is look at any addictions you have as an opportunity and anyone in recovery, you know, knows this is an opportunity for for transformation. Same thing with the health crisis. Opportunity for transformation. So I saw that as, okay, I can if I can heal this emotionally and I sound like I didn’t do a physical detox because I did.
00:50:02:16 – 00:50:11:14
Dr. Toni Galardi
But it was important to not just do a physical detox, but to look at root cause on an emotional plane and do that processing that I had not done.
00:50:12:07 – 00:50:25:02
Nathan Crane
And for you, what was the what was your processing like? What what therapies did you use? Did you mostly do the things yourself? Did you see others? Did you what were some of the what were some of the therapies you think really helped you through that?
00:50:25:24 – 00:50:54:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
Okay. So Qigong is really helpful. You know, for somebody who cannot afford to go and see a therapist such as myself, she’s getting a qigong practice because that helps with energy healing and on what’s that? What was Greg Braden’s show called Missing Links on Gaia? He talked about the story of these Qigong masters, forged qigong. Do you know that story of standing up?
00:50:54:17 – 00:51:30:06
Nathan Crane
So I trained for three and I worked really closely with a master Qigong teacher, Master Ming Dongyu, who trained at that medicine list hospital in China and became a, you know, went through the master training program there under Grand Master Peng Ming from that hospital where Greg Braden shared the video of the basically the tumor, you know, the energy healing of the US let you share the story, but yeah, yeah it’s small world so so Ming Tong so I worked with him really closely and which is retreats and trained with him very closely for three or four years.
00:51:30:06 – 00:51:50:04
Nathan Crane
No longer than that, five or six years in Santa Fe, New Mexico. He has a retreat center there, and I’ve helped him produce master classes in his qigong master classes. And Qigong trainings are available at one of my Web sites at Healing Life dot net. So I practice qigong every morning. So I’m very steeped in the in the qigong world, very much.
00:51:50:04 – 00:52:11:11
Nathan Crane
I love it so much. I think it’s I think it’s the thing that people need today. Like yoga came to the West 100 years ago when, you know, Paramahansa Yogananda came in and yoga kind of exploded. I think qigong is at the precipice of exploding to that level where everybody is going to learn about it and benefit from it because it’s so powerful.
00:52:12:15 – 00:52:42:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yeah, the story that Greg tell tells is this woman had this huge tumor on her kidney. And I mean, it’s huge. And these so you see it on the CAT scan, you actually see the tumor on the CAT scan. And for qigong masters are encircling her and it took them 4 minutes. You see it going down. And what they’re saying in Tibetan was Waza Waza already healed, already healed in, in and in this chanting.
00:52:43:10 – 00:53:11:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
So that’s part of healing, right, is to see yourself as already healed. So I extracted from that, you know how important it was for me. You asked me, what did I do? Well, I had tools because I’m a, you know, a long time shamanic teacher. So I had tools that I could use on myself. But for those who can’t afford to go to someone like me, then doing a Qigong class, you know, I worked the Qigong Master in California name is Daniela Carraro.
00:53:12:09 – 00:53:26:22
Dr. Toni Galardi
And you can do zoom healings where someone you know, you don’t need to be in the same space. With that, I also created a power of a group which is free. You just have to pull
00:53:34:23 – 00:53:59:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I put a power of eight groups together. And on Zoom once a week, eight people came together. I actually, you know, asked 14 people so that there would be enough people each week. And so eight people always showed up and all they did was you. No, no. This doesn’t require you to be a Qigong master, doesn’t require you to have any kind of energy healing tools.
00:53:59:13 – 00:54:22:13
Dr. Toni Gallardi
That was what her study was so amazing was the all the people who participated. It had no, you know, energy, mastery techniques. They just all they were instructed was was to send energy of radiant love to this person who was the, you know, a receiver. And for 10 minutes, that’s it for 10 minutes. So I did that for 12 weeks.
00:54:22:13 – 00:54:49:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
I talk about that in the book because that was talk about humbling for somebody who I was identified myself as being the healer, the person who puts the cape on that rod rescues the day is now suddenly having to ask people to come in and say, Oh, the meltdown that my ego had to go through, I sobbed the first two sessions we did this so powerful and people can do that for free.
00:54:50:02 – 00:55:07:20
Dr. Toni Galardi
You just have to bring together people who are willing to hold you as already healed, you know, and do that for 10 minutes online. You know, I think Zoom is a great way. It’s such a great tool, you know, and anybody can get that free of charge, right? You can do 10 minutes, you know, online and get it free.
00:55:08:04 – 00:55:31:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
So that’s what I wanted to put in the book were things that people could do cost effectively, you know, for those and again, for stage zero one or two who cannot afford an alternative medicine doctor or, you know, where we would cost for traditional treatment if they have a high deductible, you know, and that there are things you can do yourself, you know, to heal yourself.
00:55:31:21 – 00:55:34:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
So that was what I was passionate about.
00:55:35:01 – 00:55:58:21
Nathan Crane
That’s beautiful. And yeah, there are. So I think the power of group healing in qigong is it’s talked about as the chief field. The field of healing energy that we create as qigong practitioners all over the world. And as you practice and visualize, it becomes a meditation off in a moving meditation and you connect to that key field.
00:55:58:24 – 00:56:32:08
Nathan Crane
I actually interviewed Ming Tong on the podcast recently and we talked a lot about that. She filled in the power of the G field and is basically quantum science is understanding why and how this works now, but connecting to a group of other people, sharing an intention and an energy towards something that’s already healed in the word that that he uses, that I chant every morning and my Jegan practices how long and how law in Chinese means all is well and getting better.
00:56:32:20 – 00:57:05:24
Nathan Crane
And so when you chant it towards, you know, you’re sending healing energy and visualization to something in your body or your life or somebody else. You’re chanting how little love in your visualizing that area already healed. Like we saw. Meaning, you know, it’s already healed. All is well and getting better all it’s already well and it’s getting better and you can use that for your relation ships, for your finances, for your health.
00:57:05:24 – 00:57:36:24
Nathan Crane
I mean, if nothing else, you know, a powerful way to program your mind towards goodness instead of, you know, fear and darkness. But I love it. Yeah, I actually did a documentary. It’s on YouTube, I’m free. It’s with Otis Wallen, who had cancer. And and he was, you know, he would put himself in a heated bathtub steaming. And then just, you know, what I.
00:57:36:24 – 00:57:39:11
Nathan Crane
Saw was saw was saw.
00:57:39:15 – 00:57:56:15
Nathan Crane
O light and chanting and basically shrunk that tumor all the way down to where there was just like a little bit left. And then he did a cryo, basically froze it off. They were able to do a CRI blast station, think it’s called, they freeze a little bit of the tumor that was left and then it was gone.
00:57:56:17 – 00:58:17:20
Nathan Crane
It was like he was healed from it. But yeah, I went out to his house and interviewed him and his wife and his daughter. And but he also learned, you know, practice qigong and helped heal himself of both that and I believe a lesion on his liver. He had a couple of other things going on and totally heal and some it’s powerful stuff.
00:58:17:20 – 00:58:44:07
Nathan Crane
I mean, what you’re talking about is powerful stuff and it’s awesome too. So talk about coincidences, right? If you believe in coincidences as coincide, as synchronicities, I literally was and I’ve seen that video half dozen times of Greg Braden showing the practice she practice qigong practitioners literally dissolving the tumor on a CAT scan. I’ve seen it multiple times over the years.
00:58:44:21 – 00:59:07:06
Nathan Crane
Somehow I was watching it again yesterday, so I hadn’t seen that video in three or four years and I don’t even know how I got to it yesterday, but I’m watching the video and I downloaded and saved it because they’ve deleted that from YouTube I think multiple times. So it’s like, I’m going to save this. So I have it in case they delete it again.
00:59:07:17 – 00:59:11:17
Nathan Crane
And then now you bring it up in this interview. You know what? What a very.
00:59:12:00 – 00:59:32:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
Into people can get get Gaia for 999 a month you know his all his interviews you know are on there and you know it just like probably get qigong stuff from you as well but you know, there are classes that you can take and is that there are things you can do yourself. You know, he did it himself, right?
00:59:33:10 – 00:59:57:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
That you don’t have to depend on another person. However, and this is where I come in as a coach, what I have to get to with someone first is whatever is in the way of you taking full responsibility for your health. You can tell someone, you can give them all of the resource. I had a woman come to me who had heard about what I had done with myself and was in corporate America.
00:59:57:18 – 01:00:24:11
Dr. Toni Galardi
And and I told her when we saw when we did the coaching session, it was clear to me she was in burn out, hated her job, and she said, I’m just going to go do the lumpectomy. I know that you you were able to cure yourself, but she said, I’m just going to go do the lumpectomy. So if someone isn’t willing to take a deep dove into what their fear is taking full and total responsibility, there is a threat.
01:00:24:12 – 01:00:50:13
Dr. Toni Galardi
You can talk about synchronicities. What came through my feet I’m looking for. Mind you, this was weird. I’m looking for a a theta chant, which is six mega hertz, you know that I could listen to because it takes you into theta of them chanting, you know, the vibration of six, six megahertz delta. And in comes this vlog from a breast cancer surgeon in the UK.
01:00:50:13 – 01:01:16:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
And I’m not going to mention her name because I want to be respectful of what she’s doing, who just had her third bout of breast cancer and she did of the mastectomy the first time they radiated it. Then the second time it came back, they did radiation again. And the third time what they are telling her, they just went in and they she they snipped the cancer out and they said they don’t know what to do because they can’t radiate her anymore.
01:01:17:02 – 01:01:48:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
The Tamoxifen didn’t work. So they then they switched her over to a different kind of synthetic aromatase inhibitor, and that is now no longer working. The only thing that they have to give her to knock her estrogen down, which is still that that belief system, that somehow it’s the estrogen in your body is is a kind of a aromatase inhibitor that they reserved for women who are metastatic, you know, and they wanted to hold that back until she was she actually had it where it came back metastatic.
01:01:48:02 – 01:02:11:13
Dr. Toni Galardi
And I just thought this is this is crazy. This is crazy. And she said on camera, women need to know it’s not their fault. You know, it’s not their fault. This this just happened. Some people have it on their in their DNA. Yet we know that only 5 to 10% of women is in is it inherited? Have the gene or whatever that really actually has.
01:02:11:13 – 01:02:32:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
And even with that Bruce Lipton’s work about, you know, what you can do to reverse anything that you’ve inherited anyway. But the point is, is that I’m listening to this and she’s saying it’s not your fault. And I’m just not that mentality of, No, it’s not your fault. I don’t think of it. You don’t want anyone to feel blame about getting breast cancer.
01:02:33:09 – 01:02:49:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
But I did look at taking full responsibility because I knew that’s where I had power, that I wasn’t going to have power if I just gave it over to someone else who just did what they thought was best, what they’re going to get paid to do. A breast cancer surgeon gets paid to do surgery. I don’t fault them.
01:02:49:24 – 01:03:08:22
Dr. Toni Galardi
This is what they were trained to do, but this is what they can give you in their medicine bag. They can give you surgery. That’s the only thing they have. And they’re missing back to give you. Right. So but you you run out of options when you go that route. And she she was running out of options. Now, if with three bouts of breast cancer.
01:03:09:02 – 01:03:37:05
Dr. Toni Galardi
So if she were my patient, I’d be asking questions like, do you like what you’re doing? Surgeons have a higher risk, like 40% higher risk than even regular physicians. And physicians are at risk with breast cancer. That’s what the data shows, you know, so I’d be looking at do I love what I’m doing? You know, do I is my relationships, you know, in order she mentioned something about her husband not being able to show up for the third surgery she went through and how distressing that was.
01:03:37:10 – 01:03:59:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I’d be looking at those emotional pieces like, is everything working in my life or is there something that I haven’t looked at? That’s the etiology or the root cause, you know, that has nothing to do with the physical symptom. So when I’m working with someone, I’m wanting them to look at what is my refusal to take responsibility for my healing?
01:04:00:24 – 01:04:17:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
What’s that about? Not from a judgmental place, but like, let’s be curious about it. Let’s just be open and curious. Like, what part of me just wants somebody to just do that? Do it to me, right? And I don’t have to do anything except recover.
01:04:17:04 – 01:04:40:18
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And that’s I think that’s a that’s part of so many people. And I had someone actually message me this morning about some of my videos on Instagram or something and saying, Oh, you’re, you know, you’re making women feel disempowered because you’re saying the cancer is their fault. And I’m like, How do you interpret that from anything that I said?
01:04:41:01 – 01:05:01:20
Nathan Crane
You know, I read other comments and and women were replying in defense and saying, no, he’s empowering people by saying, look, once we know what the cause of the cancer is or the disease or whatever challenge, we know the cause, and then we can learn the solutions. Now we can become empowered to actually do something about it. If you don’t know what you don’t know, how can you make any changes?
01:05:01:20 – 01:05:24:04
Nathan Crane
No one else is going to fix you, right? And but that’s what we want. It’s like we want someone else to fix us. Hey, I’m broken. Fix me. And that’s not true at all. And you’re not even broken in that sense. It’s like, Hey, we often, unconsciously or subconsciously have been programed to live a certain way to eat a certain way to behave, a certain way to react to situations in a certain way.
01:05:24:15 – 01:05:56:11
Nathan Crane
And the only way we can change that is by becoming aware of how we respond and react to things, and then choosing consciously to change it. Well, you can’t become aware of something if it’s not, you know, pointed out to you and or you’re not questioning. You know, I’ve become so aware of so many of my own faults and traumas and and behaviors and bad habits and addictions over the years, because I was have always been willing to question myself, where is this coming from?
01:05:56:11 – 01:06:15:16
Nathan Crane
What is this about? Why did I just react that way? Why did I just yell at my wife in this situation like or say it that way? You know, and I’ll go out now and I’ll think about it and I’ll ask the questions. And it’s not about judgment. It’s like, Where the hell did that come from? I sit down and think and question Right is basically self psychoanalyzing and it’s like, okay, where’s this?
01:06:15:16 – 01:06:38:00
Nathan Crane
Come off of my childhood. Okay. All right, look, I can forgive myself for that and let’s try and catch it next time ahead of time. You know, let’s work on preventing that and let’s work on healing that. And that’s that is empowering to realize you have the power to turn off those cancer genes. You have the power to turn on your parasympathetic nervous system.
01:06:38:00 – 01:06:58:05
Nathan Crane
You have the power to activate healing within your mind and within your body. Nobody else is going to do it for you, right? We can try to pay everyone to do it for us. You know, we can get a massage. That’s nice, you know, but you’re not can have someone that can massage you 12 hours a day. So maybe once or twice a week, you know, depending on what you can afford, you know, that massage is going to put you in that parasympathetic.
01:06:58:05 – 01:07:16:11
Nathan Crane
That’s nice. But where do you do the rest of the, you know, hundreds of hours like that’s up to you. You know, what do you to do when you’re sitting in the sauna sweating by yourself? You distract yourself with, you know, television on your phone. You’re going to sit in meditation and actually experience the challenge and move through it.
01:07:16:11 – 01:07:43:11
Nathan Crane
That’s what I love about Qigong as well, is it teaches you to move into and accept and embrace the pain and the challenge you’re experiencing, not to run from it, not to fight it, not to hide it, not to deny it, but to actually move into like I have a big knot in my a tweaked my rib a few weeks back and it just, you know, flared back up again.
01:07:43:19 – 01:07:58:23
Nathan Crane
And one of the one of the postures we do is spinal bone marrow, where you twist all around. And right now it’s like a level eight pain and part of it is, you know, moving into it and breathing into it and accepting it instead of going, oh, no, that hurts. I got to stop. And that’s what we do, right?
01:07:58:23 – 01:08:20:20
Nathan Crane
We pain and we flinch and we stop. But but there very often where the pain we need to move into, if it’s emotional pain, if it’s physical pain, actually, the more we move into it and accept it, the more we can actually allow that energy blockage to be released and allow that trauma to heal and allow the physical to heal as well.
01:08:20:20 – 01:08:38:10
Nathan Crane
We know physical therapy, we’re actually going to, you know, massage it and move into it and move through it. And that’s going to heal it faster versus just sitting here doing nothing. Know. And all the evidence shows that as well as, you know, anyone who’s ever experienced it personally. So I love what you’re saying in that regard that what.
01:08:38:11 – 01:09:05:01
Dr. Toni Galardi
One of the questions to people is how much do you value your freedom? You know, because when you take this on for yourself when you take on the emotional trauma that may have preceded you, either unresolved trauma from childhood or things that happened in the last few years, if you take that on and you’re willing to sit with yourself and breathe into that, just keep going into it with the breath.
01:09:05:02 – 01:09:33:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
Keep going into it with the breath. There’s a space that gets made inside. And when you start to take on your own healing through doing your research or reading, you know, like my book or your books or whatever, and you get a plan and I believe in having a plan, a roadmap. That’s why I wrote this as a roadmap that if you allow to say, I can do this because I want freedom.
01:09:34:07 – 01:09:53:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
I want freedom. And that’s what this gives you is more freedom. One of the things when I was speaking with Veronique, Dr. Desalinate, was we were talking about the fact that, you know, she’s had two bouts of breast cancer and she knows that if she were to have it again, she would have more options than the woman who’s had radiation, you know, you name it.
01:09:53:15 – 01:10:20:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, besides mastectomies has, you know, we have more options to detox that it’s only a symptom. Cancer shows up. It’s a symptom. If I could give everyone in in the world one thing, it would be to desensitize them to the word, because one out of two people are going to get cancer in their lifetime. And it doesn’t mean death and it does it you know, it means something is out of whack.
01:10:20:07 – 01:10:30:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
That’s all. I mean, something’s out of whack, especially in early stage. If it’s zero one or two, this can be reversed through taking this on on the emotional, physical and spiritual level.
01:10:32:06 – 01:10:33:02
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I love it.
01:10:33:13 – 01:10:34:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
How free to.
01:10:35:00 – 01:10:54:21
Nathan Crane
Freedom. Yeah. Do you want freedom? Free. I love freedom for me is like everything. I’m like a freedom freak, if you will. Maybe too extremes sometimes. I want to ask you about addiction. So do you have your own personal journey through addiction or what led you to helping people with addiction?
01:10:55:15 – 01:11:17:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yeah, so I talk about it in my book. My father was a gambler and as a as a teenager, I struggled with food addiction and my, you know, and I knew it was in response to what was out of control in my environment. But one of the things I interviewed 100 women for this book, and the question I asked them was what was what were their views?
01:11:17:03 – 01:11:32:12
Dr. Toni Galardi
One of the questions about their breasts as a teenager and it was astounding to me that the women like myself who had big breasts, had as much shame about their breasts as the women who had small breasts. Wow. You know, so this was.
01:11:32:13 – 01:11:33:24
Nathan Crane
A day to think about from.
01:11:33:24 – 01:11:43:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
The get go. There’s this predisposition in this country at least toward disrespect for the brass. You know.
01:11:44:04 – 01:11:49:19
Nathan Crane
Women are saying come from. Where do you think a shame comes from? From having large breasts? Like where does that come from?
01:11:50:10 – 01:12:26:09
Dr. Toni Galardi
Catcalls. When you walk down the street, guys, you know, construction workers or, you know, guys making fun of you at school for your for your big you know what? And so you learn to hide them. You know, you do all kinds of things. There’s a lot of shame that comes with that or thinking that you’re only being asked out for your boobs, you know, because if guys, when they’re looking at you and they’re looking at your chest, you know, while they’re talking to you, so there’s that whole thing that develops a disrespect for breasts, in my opinion, because I also ask questions about what was your mother’s views on her breasts?
01:12:26:09 – 01:12:52:21
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, and again, these were interviews not just with women who had breast cancer, but all kinds of women every age. The only women who did not have issues with their breasts, interestingly enough, at least my in my data were gay women and women who were athletes. I’m interested having small breasts, served them, you know, gay women that, you know, other gay women don’t care, you know, about.
01:12:53:07 – 01:12:53:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
Your breasts are.
01:12:54:10 – 01:13:12:18
Nathan Crane
So sad that we have a culture that, you know, judges, women. And now, I mean, they’re judgments for men to be in this case were specifically talking about women like it’s sad that we have that and I remember in school yeah that there was you know a lot of that and I’m sure I participated in some of it as a as a teenager.
01:13:12:18 – 01:13:35:14
Nathan Crane
And, you know, one way or the other, like how I don’t know, the disheartening that is. And if we could teach our kids, like how to respect each other and each other’s bodies and each other, you know, and not put people through that shame, you know, it’s because then that shame that you deal with as a kid, then you go into your adult life.
01:13:35:14 – 01:13:52:05
Nathan Crane
And I mean, look at these women that you interviewed and men deal with it as well, where you go into your adult life and you’re still holding on to these self shames where you have such a hard time loving yourself and your body. You know, I’ve got a little fat on my belly and it’s like, Oh, I wonder what people think about that.
01:13:52:05 – 01:14:05:10
Nathan Crane
I don’t look great or whatever. And it’s like, you know, we hold on to this even as adults and think about how negatively that’s affecting our life, you know, just in the background, every single day, talking about freedom that completely takes away your freedom.
01:14:06:12 – 01:14:31:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
You mentioned addiction. And so the other addiction that followed me into adulthood was codependency. And going into a program like Al-Anon, you know, really helped it because obviously eldest child and I had no sisters. I had three younger brothers and was my mother’s assistant basically in trying to deal with this, you know, dysfunction going on with my father’s gambling.
01:14:31:21 – 01:14:56:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
So I learned at a very young age to be a therapist. I was my mother’s counselor at a young age, and this followed me into adulthood. Of course, that became my perception, you know. But there’s an occupational hazard to that which is being too empathetic. And so, again, to come back to that whole thing about if you give too much, you know that codependency is the deeper addiction, quite frankly.
01:14:57:01 – 01:15:12:03
Dr. Toni Galardi
So a lot of women will say, well, I don’t have I’m not addicted to alcohol or food or yeah, but look at, you know, where your boundaries are and how do you take care of yourself first before other people, because that in and of itself is an addiction.
01:15:13:14 – 01:15:22:05
Nathan Crane
So for you, codependency, like how did that show up in a negative way for you?
01:15:22:05 – 01:15:43:02
Dr. Toni Galardi
I still deal with it. You know, I was I was working, went out to dinner with a friend and at the end of she’s a massage therapist. And at the end of the dinner, she said she talked the whole time and she said, thanks for the session. And she has her own therapist. And I thought to myself, okay, you got to stop this, you know, because you want circular relationships.
01:15:43:02 – 01:16:01:19
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know that that’s what you want to, you know, send out to the universe when it comes to, you know, women in your life. I’m very clear about that. With my male relationships and my my partner, you know, he and I have a very reciprocal kind of relationship where he is genuinely interested in what goes on in my day and on and on.
01:16:01:19 – 01:16:15:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
It’s not just me listening to him, you know, and, and we’re mutually supportive, but that doesn’t mean you don’t do that with your women friends, so it can show up in other other places as well. And, and it’s an occupational hazard of being a therapist in that.
01:16:16:02 – 01:16:44:16
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I bet I, bet because they look at all she’s a therapist so she can, you know, just sit there and listen to me and listen. Elizabeth And then selfishly, unknowingly not realize, like, hey, you’re a human being, too, that needs to share and needs to be heard and needs to, you know, have this reciprocal communication. That’s why I love the word communication, because you break it down comes from communion, which literally means to to to share, to be reciprocal, to be in harmony with each other.
01:16:44:24 – 01:17:09:11
Nathan Crane
And yeah, if it’s just one person, always giving, giving, giving, giving, another person always taking, taking, taking, and there’s no reciprocity, things definitely get out of balance. I, I think that happens to a lot of people who go down a spiritual path. Initially, I know what happened to me. I don’t know if it I mean, you’re saying it did happen to you, but that’s kind of like from your whole life, not just it happened to me spiritually.
01:17:09:11 – 01:17:28:19
Nathan Crane
Like I was like, oh, I went to the opposite extreme. You know, as a teenager, I dealt with addiction extensively, almost to the point of where I died as well multiple times. But then when I found a spiritual path, it was like, Oh, I have to give away everything and serve everybody and not take care of myself and not.
01:17:28:20 – 01:17:45:10
Nathan Crane
And it’s just give, give, give, give, give, give, give until the point where it was like I felt so out of balance and so out of my body and so out of touch with, I think, you know, being grounded that it was like just constant kinds of giving were then like I had nothing, you know, and I was like, I finally had an awakening moment.
01:17:45:10 – 01:18:03:08
Nathan Crane
It was like, you know what? This is a this isn’t working. And I don’t think this is what being in imbalance in our lives is supposed to be like. I think it does need that reciprocity. We need to be able to give. We never will receive as much as we can give and vice versa.
01:18:04:03 – 01:18:30:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
So absolutely. I also think just the world as it is, you know, is in such a state of chaos that as you go out into the world and you’re dealing with people’s frustrations and stress. Right. It’s important to come home and again, clean out clean clothes, your own work field because you don’t know is attached to you. You know, there’s a lot of parasitic energy out there.
01:18:30:06 – 01:18:58:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
People don’t mean to, but they’re overwhelmed. You know, they’re overwhelmed. So they’re out there talking. They’re telling their woes to the cashier at the grocery store while you’re behind them. Right. That can can affect you. You know, all these things that aggregate from a world that’s in tremendous stress and transition. We’re in a big, big transition. So this taking care of yourself by doing emotional and, energetic cleansing at the end of every day is really critical.
01:18:59:10 – 01:19:10:07
Nathan Crane
I love that. And you said you shared that process in your book, how you do it. Is it something you can share? Kind of briefly like overview with us, like what you do.
01:19:10:16 – 01:19:19:08
Dr. Toni Galardi
A simple version that would be to just simply say anyone or anything in my energy field that is not me. Go back to when you came.
01:19:20:19 – 01:19:25:21
Nathan Crane
I love it. I tried to visualize it. Send it away. Yeah, yeah.
01:19:26:13 – 01:19:46:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
And any it has to go by the way I actually do a to step with and then I say anyone or anything attached to my physical body that is not me. Go back to whence you came at. I do that at the end of every day because. I believe that we need to go into sleep surrounded by a cocoon of light.
01:19:46:00 – 01:20:07:23
Dr. Toni Galardi
So that’s what I do. I surround myself in a cocoon of light and that that I’m not taking on the collective. You know, I am very connected as a shaman and as a mystic to the collective unconscious. You know, I have dreams like I had dreams that COVID was coming back and so and I had dreams before 911.
01:20:07:23 – 01:20:22:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
You know, I am connected to the collective unconscious. So I make sure before I go to sleep and we many of us have we’re not even aware that you are. And so it’s important to seal your energy field off before go into sleep.
01:20:22:24 – 01:20:47:09
Nathan Crane
I have a question for you. So and I want to ask you’re like what you think is the best approach for people or maybe how you deal with it. Someone in your life could be a friend, an acquaintance, someone you see often, but they’re like a very negative person, right? And they’re and they’re not meaning to be like to bring you down or whatever.
01:20:47:09 – 01:21:08:05
Nathan Crane
But every time you go visit them or talk to them or whatever, it’s like it’s it’s mostly complaints that come out of their mouth, like pouring, you know, rivers of complaints the whole time when, you know, like, I’ve got someone in my life like that right now and and I think she’s great. And I, you know, like to see her.
01:21:08:05 – 01:21:33:00
Nathan Crane
I want to have conversations with her. But, you know, I see her maybe once a day. I’m not going to tell where or when or whatever, because I don’t want to like point anybody out. But every time I see her, most of the time, it’s like she’s complaining about something, just she just needs to vent. And I’m one of those people that listens wholeheartedly and fully to people when they speak and when they vent.
01:21:33:00 – 01:21:57:02
Nathan Crane
This is a practice I’ve developed over the years, and so people will come to me with their problems and share them openly. Oh, this is someone who does it all the time, 24/7. It’s just her behavior. Now, what I’ve started doing, like with her in particular, and I think I just developed this habit over the years with people when I notice it’s a pattern is I’ll just I’ll just like walk away and continue what I’m doing.
01:21:57:02 – 01:22:09:08
Nathan Crane
I’m like, Oh, okay. I just shake my head and I just start, like, walking away. Like, rather than get into and start asking questions about because normally it’s what I would do. Well, what’s going on with this and what about that and why, you know, why do you feel this way? And that’s like kind of getting like a therapy role.
01:22:10:02 – 01:22:26:18
Nathan Crane
And then the conversation will never end and it’s all complaints the whole time. Instead of doing that, I just kind of listen for a little bit and I’m like, Oh, okay. And then I’ll go over and do my thing and like try to be respectful but not rude, you know, like, that works for me, but I don’t know if that’s the best thing.
01:22:26:18 – 01:22:30:02
Nathan Crane
Like, what do you recommend people do.
01:22:31:00 – 01:22:51:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
With if it’s someone that you evaluate you want in your life? And it’s important to take a look at this, you know, especially if you’re facing breast cancer, you know, or any kind of cancer to take a look at who in my life is a toxin. Okay. And because, you know, what we have found is that there was study done in China.
01:22:52:01 – 01:23:14:00
Dr. Toni Galardi
And the one thing that all the women in the study who had breast cancer had in common was the only thing they had in common. Their diets were varied, their socioeconomic class was varied. The one thing they had in common was a toxic marriage. Okay. So but with a with that, you know that that’s not easy to just leave a relationship.
01:23:14:00 – 01:23:34:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
But if it was with somebody who you evaluate is really I’m not getting anything from this I’m the listener. Then I would take a look at who do I need to eliminate? However, with those people who you feel there’s value, there’s something that I’m receiving that’s reciprocity in some way. Are there in your family or something? You know, this person is.
01:23:34:15 – 01:23:53:13
Nathan Crane
Kind of like kind of like family because we give this we work out the same together. And so I see her almost every day. Right. And there’s a friendly, you know, exchange there. But it’s not like I’m not looking to get something out of it. But I also it’s not something I can, like, completely ignore her either, you know what I mean?
01:23:53:13 – 01:24:03:07
Nathan Crane
It’s just I call her an acquaintance, someone I see every day, you know. So anyway, Good continues. Just be clear. I’m not talking about my wife. There’s somebody at the gym.
01:24:03:07 – 01:24:03:16
Dr. Toni Galardi
I’m here.
01:24:03:18 – 01:24:07:03
Nathan Crane
You just talking about you.
01:24:07:23 – 01:24:28:22
Dr. Toni Galardi
So the technique that I. That I have begun practicing again, forgetting, you know, but practicing again. And I recommend to people to do well, you’re in someone’s space instead of trying to figure out how to help them. You know, and this is I’m talking to somebody who’s a complainer, is to start to, first of all, shift your breath to go inside.
01:24:29:06 – 01:24:57:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
So you’re disconnecting from them, disconnect from them, and go into your higher self and connect with their higher self and simply have as an intention. I am holding this person just internally in your own mind. I am holding this person in the highest potential that is possible for them and that you hold that intention so that you’re listening more to that than you are to whatever the the stuff is that they’re actually spouting.
01:24:57:19 – 01:25:22:15
Dr. Toni Galardi
And that also helps you to not be slimed because when somebody is complaining, if you’re impasse and you take that in, you’re you’re getting slimed, you’re energetic, feel inside. So the way that you prevent yourself from being slimed is by energetically holding yourself in the light, holding them in the light, and then just continuing to chant inside, I hold them in their highest potential.
01:25:22:15 – 01:25:34:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
I hold them in their highest potential. They are their highest potential. They are their highest potential. When you keep chanting that something will shift in the energy because you’re disconnected, you’re disconnected from their story.
01:25:35:16 – 01:26:00:06
Nathan Crane
Interesting. Interesting. I’ll have to try that. That’s really cool. Thank you for sharing that. I also have thought about recently, I’m like, I’m seriously considering like just pulling her aside and like just telling her, you know, being like, Hey, I just want you to know something like, I think you’re a good person. I, you know, enjoy being in the, you know, gym together.
01:26:00:07 – 01:26:19:09
Nathan Crane
I, you know, we train, you know, by each other every day, that kind of stuff. Like, I don’t mind talking to you, etc., etc.. But here’s my perception. My perception is this, right? You complain a lot about a lot of things and I really just don’t want that in my life. I don’t need to hear all of that.
01:26:19:17 – 01:26:30:24
Nathan Crane
I thought about telling or having a conversation with you, but I’m like, Is it going to help her or is it going to like create more of a, you know, create a problem? Like, I don’t know.
01:26:30:24 – 01:26:40:06
Dr. Toni Galardi
I think that if someone is committed to that, you know, that kind of energy, that kind of because it’s an addiction, complaining isn’t a.
01:26:40:06 – 01:26:42:12
Nathan Crane
Yes, it is. Exactly. Yeah.
01:26:43:07 – 01:27:02:13
Dr. Toni Galardi
What they you know, as a guy, she may listen to you as long as I think you say, look I want to I don’t want to alienate you. It is not my intention to push you away. It is more actually so that we have better connection, that I’m sick. Yeah, you know, I want to of person.
01:27:02:21 – 01:27:16:06
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Like, I don’t mind talking to her at all. It’s just like I have no interest in people being in my life that just want to come and complain all day long. Like, I just don’t have an interest in having that energy around me, you know? It’s like, no, thank you. I don’t need it.
01:27:17:08 – 01:27:35:10
Dr. Toni Galardi
So practices see what happens. But I think that if you hold someone in their higher self practice, practice doing that with, with somebody who you love, you know, who you trust enough that if they’re their complaining mode practice just seeing them in their full potential and see if any shifts in the energy.
01:27:35:17 – 01:28:22:17
Nathan Crane
Because you’re just I got a few people I could work I could do that with. Like I said, I got some good marching orders now. That’s awesome. All right, I’ll. Well, I will try that. Thank you. Thank you for sharing. Yeah, I think that’s important, though, that we you know, I learned to set boundaries years ago, and it’s like those boundaries can, you know, become open because it’s like I care about when you care about people, when you want to help people, when you feel service to humanity, to others, when you know it’s part of your life purpose to help awaken and help guide and help teach and and help, you know, share good things
01:28:22:17 – 01:28:37:02
Nathan Crane
with people so they can live a better life like you. I think you become more open to a lot of those situations. And so at some point it’s like, yeah, you do have to set some boundaries, otherwise you just get totally swamped and taken over.
01:28:38:16 – 01:28:54:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
And boundary setting takes many different forms. That’s what I was saying. Some of it is the interaction with someone, some of it when you go out into the world. As I said, it’s a chaotic world out there. But if you surround yourself in light, I loved it when we had to be six feet apart in a group grocery store.
01:28:55:01 – 01:28:57:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
Really what you can do is you can exercise.
01:28:58:08 – 01:28:59:10
Nathan Crane
I thought I was so stupid.
01:29:00:03 – 01:29:29:04
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yeah, I know, I know. Yes. What? You can extend your energy field six feet in every direction and. Yeah. And you’re filled with light your quantum it expands. Right. That’s cool. So but if you go into the world with that like I’m in, my intention is to go into the world with in this orb of light, then then the orb is what’s going to actually absorb, absorb, orb, the toxin of emotions out there in the world.
01:29:29:09 – 01:29:45:20
Nathan Crane
Somebody who’s very empathic like yourself. I could imagine that Six Feet Apart actually was probably really like amazing. Like, like, hey, I’m not taking on all these people people’s energy. 20 4:07 a.m. I actually have some space when I’m out in public? I bet that was actually pretty nice.
01:29:45:20 – 01:29:58:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
Yes. But again, you know, as I said, if you do this exercise before you go out and you clean your field when you come home, it’s easy around people to be close to people mean I’m a very affectionate person. I’m Italian. So, you.
01:29:58:21 – 01:29:59:06
Nathan Crane
Know.
01:29:59:18 – 01:30:02:11
Dr. Toni Galardi
Of hugging and touching people when I’m in public.
01:30:02:11 – 01:30:02:17
Nathan Crane
Like.
01:30:03:18 – 01:30:26:04
Nathan Crane
Do you do you think if someone like hates being around a lot of people that they could be empathic and they don’t know it? Yeah, some of it’s like, I mean, I’m thinking of somebody I know who’s like they absolutely, like, hate going to places where there’s a lot of people they just like and it’s like it’s a loathing thing where they just can’t stand it for too long.
01:30:26:04 – 01:30:48:20
Nathan Crane
They get overwhelmed and I’m like, I need my space, my private space. Like I need. I’m a I’m a man. I need my cave, right? Like anyone who’s studied John, you know, Mars for men and women are from Venus Gray, John Gray’s work like I think he’s spot on with that. It’s like the men we need to go back to our cave and like that’s how we regenerate.
01:30:48:20 – 01:31:06:08
Nathan Crane
And there’s different ways that we do it 100%. But I also really enjoy being out in public and being around other people and having conversations at the gym and at the beach and things like that and people watching. I enjoy it. Like I don’t ever feel like I hate so many people, but I also need my privacy, like my backyard.
01:31:06:08 – 01:31:22:17
Nathan Crane
Like I don’t want to see people walking around when I’m in my backyard naked, laying by my pool. You know what I mean? Like I want sunshine, I want privacy. But I also don’t have a problem going out and being around people where this person is like they need privacy. They but they also hate being around other people.
01:31:22:17 – 01:31:26:05
Nathan Crane
And I’m and I’m thinking I’m like, I wonder if they’re just like an empath and don’t know it.
01:31:27:20 – 01:31:28:14
Dr. Toni Galardi
I sensitive.
01:31:28:18 – 01:31:29:21
Nathan Crane
Yeah think so.
01:31:31:08 – 01:31:39:17
Dr. Toni Galardi
It’s very possible because anyone who goes out and is inundated, you know, by the energies of other people is highly sensitive. No question.
01:31:40:08 – 01:31:40:14
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
01:31:40:24 – 01:32:01:13
Nathan Crane
I might have to. I might have to talk to him about that. Anyway, this has been awesome. Tony, thank you so much for reaching out. And thank you for your, you know, really kind words and congratulations on, you know, just your own personal healing journey and the work you’ve done, obviously, for a long time as a therapist helping people.
01:32:01:13 – 01:32:12:14
Nathan Crane
But now really diving in and helping women with breast cancer. I know you’ve got your new book that just came out for Breast Quake, right? Where can people get a copy of that?
01:32:13:17 – 01:32:29:24
Dr. Toni Galardi
Amazon, Barnes and Noble? I’m actually going to be doing some programs so people can come to the website breast quake dot com. You know, I also have life quakecon so there’s free things that people will get from coming to the website.
01:32:29:24 – 01:32:46:05
Nathan Crane
So it took me a little bit to I was a little slow when I first saw the titles, took me a little bit to realize like, oh, like earthquake. It’s, I didn’t get it first. I was like, Quake, what does she mean by quake? I don’t know. I think my brain was overloaded when I first saw your books, but I could.
01:32:46:12 – 01:32:54:11
Dr. Toni Galardi
Get my my interpretation of of a life quake is the awakening into the soul waking up to who it really is. You know.
01:32:54:12 – 01:33:13:10
Nathan Crane
You know, in the breast quake, it is I mean, a cancer diagnosis. The hundreds of cancer patients I’ve met and talked to over the years, it is like an earthquake in your life. So I think that’s a that’s a great title, actually. And the fact that you’re sharing hope and solutions with people, I think is. Awesome. So thanks.
01:33:13:10 – 01:33:18:12
Nathan Crane
Appreciate it and great to get to know you more. Awesome. Thanks for being on the podcast.
01:33:19:13 – 01:33:22:18
Dr. Toni Galardi
Thank you, Nathan. It’s so much fun being on your show.
01:33:23:16 – 01:33:24:06
Nathan Crane
Awesome.
01:33:24:09 – 01:33:25:17
Nathan Crane
All right. And my pleasure.
01:33:25:23 – 01:33:26:17
Nathan Crane
Take care, everybody.