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(This transcript was auto-generated so there may be some errors)
00:00:03:16 – 00:00:12:19
Unknown
Oh, right.
00:00:12:21 – 00:00:40:05
Unknown
Welcome back to the podcast. Thank you so much for joining us today. Today, I have fifth generation Texan James Templeton here with us. He is a stage four cancer survivor, someone I call it cancer conquer. He’s got over 35 years as a cancer survivor. He killed himself. He was given a terminal diagnosis and he used natural medicine to heal himself.
00:00:40:06 – 00:01:03:17
Unknown
So I’m really excited to dive into his story and everything he’s done. He also is the founder of Unity Health Systems and the Templeton Wellness Foundation. He basically has taken his experience over the years and has turned it into helping others achieve their optimum health and wellness. So he’s also you may have heard of his book. If not, you can check it out.
00:01:03:18 – 00:01:25:13
Unknown
I used to have cancer. I used to have cancer dot com. It’s also on Amazon. But yeah, I’m excited to get to get to know you more. James, and hear more about your story and you know what what you did to heal yourself of cancer and kind of get into the details of it. So thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
00:01:25:15 – 00:01:50:05
Unknown
Well, thank you, Nathan. It’s great to meet you here on Zoom today. And I get to share my story with with you and your listeners. So you were diagnosed with stage four melanoma, is that right? Right. That’s like the deadliest form of skin cancer. Yeah, it is. You know, generally a terminal can be a terminal diagnosis. Yes, it was for you.
00:01:50:05 – 00:02:16:13
Unknown
Right? Well, it was one of those kind of things where the melanoma had spread to my lymphatic system. Yeah. So when that happens, it’s sort of like not necessarily total death sentence, but it’s kind of like you got it. What they told me you got a 3 to 5 years to survive if you do the chemotherapy treatments they wanted me to do.
00:02:16:14 – 00:02:43:01
Unknown
Now, that didn’t mean anything If I didn’t do the chemotherapy treatments, you know, not too good. You know, like they they don’t like to say. But I kind of got the drift. There’s probably a year or so, probably most likely. And and if you did not, if you did nothing. Yeah, it could be. And if you did chemotherapy, radiation, your odds of having 3 to 5 years were really, really low.
00:02:43:03 – 00:03:04:23
Unknown
Right. And the thing about it was, was he says if you can get through the chemotherapy treatments. So they wanted me to do 80 chemotherapy treatments. And this was after I did surgery. And, you know, and I woke up and and the doctor starts to tell me, you know what what I had to look forward to going forward.
00:03:04:23 – 00:03:25:24
Unknown
So, you know, after that, I just kind of like, well, you know what? You know, I don’t know. I got to find something else. There’s got to be something else I can do. And, you know, you’re laying there and you’re feeling pretty, pretty hopeless and everything else at that point. But but it it was interesting journey, the whole journey.
00:03:26:01 – 00:03:58:20
Unknown
Where was the cancer at on your body, if you don’t mind sharing? I’m just curious. The cancer originally was on my lower right back down on, you know, kind of an area where you don’t really see much. It was a mole and I went to a doctor to get it checked out because I’d been to a doctor to get a one of these cardio heart scans, kind of a stress test, because, you know, my father and grandfather both had died of heart disease at a young age.
00:03:58:20 – 00:04:17:12
Unknown
So I’m thinking I need to go get checked out. I was a runner and I was doing all this stuff and I thought I was in good health. But I wanted to get checked out because, you know, I didn’t want to be the next one. And so that’s how I found the mole. The doctor says you’re you’re in tremendous shape and all that.
00:04:17:12 – 00:04:51:04
Unknown
But he says to me, he says, look, there’s a mole on your back. Looks a little different. Why don’t you get it checked out? It’s probably nothing. I wouldn’t worry about it. And he says to me, he says, I’ll just when you get a chance, go get it checked out by a dermatologist. So that’s what happened. And and and long story short, I ended up in another oncologist office because the second dermatologist I went to told me he would go to this guy and I went to him and and he removed it and his office took a big plug out of my back.
00:04:51:04 – 00:05:21:21
Unknown
But it was on the lower right side of my back and it was just a mole that had was had changed a lot. And it was like had some, you know, dark and lighter shades in it. And. And that’s usually a sign of cancer. Yeah. Yeah. It was just different looking. And I never, you know, you see, you know, I had a few moles on my back and I never thought anything about it, but, but, but anyway, everybody should really kind of keep an eye on those kind of things.
00:05:22:01 – 00:05:40:17
Unknown
Yeah. People are going to run to the doctor now for every little thing. You don’t have to worry about every little mole. But if it like you said, if it’s growing. Yeah, yeah. If it’s starting to change, colors darken, you know, sometimes it gets raised up or, you know, if it’s just a rare morning, it doesn’t seem to be changing much.
00:05:40:17 – 00:06:07:17
Unknown
Generally, you have nothing to worry about. But in your case, obviously, it was was cancer. Yeah. Yeah. And and you know, as sometimes there in the places too where you can’t barely can see it, you know in the mirror or even in you can’t even hardly touch it back there because it’s hard. So you don’t think anything. And, but I noticed I started to feel tired or and you know, like I said, I was a runner, so I ran quite a bit and I’d push myself.
00:06:07:17 – 00:06:24:03
Unknown
And I was living in Texas and it was hot and a lot of the year and, you know, you’re running. And I just felt like I wasn’t recovering very quickly anymore. And I was tired a lot. And I, I just had to push harder, harder. And I thought, you know, why is this? And I didn’t feel as good.
00:06:24:03 – 00:06:50:04
Unknown
I felt kind of like flu, like a lot. And, you know, came down with a lot of stuff, was sinus issues and colds and flus. Kind of all of a sudden, I started to get all that. So everyday old were you? I was 32 years old. And evidently, you know, my new system was really suppressed. You know, that’s generally what it is.
00:06:50:04 – 00:07:09:15
Unknown
You know, Dr. Thomas Lodi, a good friend of mine, you know, he’s he’s said it famously in my documentary many years ago. He said, you know, there is a cure for cancer. It’s called the immune system. When you have a fully functioning immune system, you don’t have to worry about a cancer diagnosis. And, you know, it’s kind of a is a powerful thing that he said.
00:07:09:15 – 00:07:43:21
Unknown
But there’s so much truth underlying that when you understand the immune system’s function and what the immune system does and you know its role in not only fighting off pathogens and viruses and bacteria, but literally identifying, targeting and destroying cancer cells, that’s what our immune system does. And and when the immune system’s inhibited by a lot of things we can talk about and I’m sure you’ve discovered many of those things I want to get into that, you know, over the years that you realized were inhibiting your immune system, stress, toxins, lack of sleep, overexertion, a lot of different things can inhibit the immune system.
00:07:43:23 – 00:08:09:16
Unknown
And it’s not able to fully do its job. It’s fighting off this pathogen and this virus and chronic inflammation over here. And it’s trying to fight off the cancer that’s been taking over in the terrain that we created in the body to allow the cancer. And it’s just like like you said all of a sudden. And that’s the interesting thing for people to realize, you know, I’ve done hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of interviews over the years and talked to so many people who who have cancer or who’ve overcome cancer.
00:08:09:18 – 00:08:33:21
Unknown
And a very common thing is cancer has really very few symptoms that you can identify. Oh, this is cancer. You know, I mean, if it’s a tumor this block in your colon, you may have some some serious pain there or, you know, you may, like you said, some some lethargy or fatigue or lack of of clarity, you know, especially if you have a glioblastoma in the brain or it may start causing neurological.
00:08:33:23 – 00:08:56:17
Unknown
You said things like that. Yeah. There’s no real common symptomology for cancer specifically. But in your case, you noticed you were getting sicker more often with with flus and bugs and things like that. Sinus problems, you know, problems, fatigue. It’s like, yeah, it just I didn’t feel right, but I thought, well, I’m 30 now. I guess when you’re 30, you don’t feel as well.
00:08:56:19 – 00:09:16:15
Unknown
That’s. You thought because I was getting old. Now I’m getting older. I wasn’t in touch really. And you know, and I was eating a pretty much a vegetarian diet back then because I thought that was the right thing to do. You know, I was eating, you know, salads most of the time, as much vegetables, everything I could put on there.
00:09:16:17 – 00:09:34:20
Unknown
But I did that for about seven years because I wanted to keep my weight down, you know, and be able to run faster. And I was running probably about 60 miles a week on the average. And just basically just because I thought it was good for me and, you know, and I ran some of these races in local races and things like that.
00:09:34:20 – 00:09:58:24
Unknown
But, you know, I wasn’t like a super athlete, but, you know, I, I was I did did okay. But the thing is, is that I just thought I was just burning myself out a little bit, needed to just train harder. I mean, that’s that’s you know, how I thought back then and I didn’t know anything about alternative health or or natural health or supplements or anything like that back then.
00:09:58:24 – 00:10:21:03
Unknown
And of course, this has been 37 years ago this this year. And so back then, I mean, we didn’t have the Internet. We didn’t have the things we have now. So, yeah, anything you learn about is usually through word of mouth or or, you know, maybe a doctor told you that this friend of his told you, told him this and that.
00:10:21:03 – 00:10:42:24
Unknown
That’s kind of how I learned things. Yeah. So, all right, you get you get the you get the mole removed. Did you nose cancer at that time yet or no. I did. No because the doctor says well he says let’s just check it out, see what it is. So he removed it, He says, I’ll give you a call in a few days.
00:10:42:24 – 00:11:04:15
Unknown
And he said, Going home, don’t worry about it. Well, I was worrying about it because already I’d been told by a dermatologist that that he thought I had melanoma. Well, after after getting it removed, you know, I was going to go home and wait and see. And of course, your patient, the floor. This is the hardest time because you’re walking around in circles.
00:11:04:15 – 00:11:28:24
Unknown
You’re not sleeping very well. You’re worried about, you know what? What’s going to happen with it. And then it was about two, two weeks or more before he calls me. And the doctor says James. He says, this is Dr. So-and-so. And he says, Look, I got some good news and some bad news. And it’s just, oh my gosh, what’s that mean?
00:11:29:01 – 00:11:55:16
Unknown
He says, The good news is you have melanoma. And I thought, good news. I mean, he goes, Yeah, it doesn’t sound good, but but it’s good because we think we got it all in the perimeter area of this, in this incision that they did and the sample he took out, he says, we’ve got it all and we don’t see any signs of the cancer around the perimeter areas.
00:11:55:18 – 00:12:22:24
Unknown
But he said the bad news is it’s very deep. And he says on the class scales, what they called it, Clark scales a scale of measurement for melanomas. He said it’s very, very deep and it’s a stage four. And stage four means it’s probably going to spread to other parts of your body. Right. And we got to really keep a good eye on this because if we don’t, you know, we’re going to have have a real problem here.
00:12:22:24 – 00:12:57:17
Unknown
So you need to come in every three months and get checked out. Well, I mean, you know, he said go ahead and don’t worry, live your life. There’s nothing you can do. But when someone tells you have stage four melanoma, that and at that point, I didn’t know what that really meant other than it wasn’t good. And and so I started to dig around and talk to people and found out that that from an old doctor friend and that I would be lucky if I lived three years with with a melanoma like that.
00:12:57:17 – 00:13:20:20
Unknown
And, you know, here I am, 32 years old. I thought I had lived by the tail. I was a successful businessman, had several businesses back then, different than what I have these this day. But it was something I had been working really hard to do and I thought things were going right now, you know, the bottom kind of fell out on me.
00:13:20:20 – 00:13:51:08
Unknown
So, yeah, it’s it’s a scary situation for anybody that goes through this. You know, those those three words, you have cancer. You know, it’s scary. Yeah, I in talking with a lot of people who have been told you have cancer, it’s the fear that takes over from what from what people say is it’s it’s like so shocking and sends you into kind of a tunnel vision.
00:13:51:08 – 00:14:16:08
Unknown
Kind of I mean, a lot of people explain it like this all they hear the doctor saying, when I when I when I when I went after that point. Right. It’s just it’s such a shock. And unfortunately, when we’re in such a state of shock and fear, that is a terrible place to make a decision from. And yet, more often than not, the patient is rushed into treatments that they know nothing about.
00:14:16:13 – 00:14:35:19
Unknown
And we got to do this right now. Chemotherapy, radiation surgery right now will get you booked for next week. This is you know, it’s really important. Let’s do this. And out of fear and shock and lack of education, most people just say yes, okay, Instead of looking at the whole picture, all the options, you know, do I want to go a holistic approach or a natural approach?
00:14:35:19 – 00:15:02:03
Unknown
Do I want to do a functional approach or an integrative approach, not even realizing that those are options? Yeah, they’re often just rushed into treatment. And we know certain types of cancers, chemotherapy, radiation are terrible for, you know, certain colon cancers. I mean, you’re you’re better off doing nothing than doing chemotherapy, radiation, you know, certain, you know, testicular cancer that does pretty well with chemotherapy.
00:15:02:03 – 00:15:33:00
Unknown
There’s like a 50% five year survival rate. But when you look at the statistics that were done, the biggest statistics for chemotherapy against the 22 major malignancies, 32 major cancers that was looked at from the USA and Australia, couple hundred thousand people, they found that when group together chemotherapy only improved the five year survival rate by 2.3%. Yeah it’s not so you know, some cancers did better, others did significantly worse.
00:15:33:00 – 00:15:56:14
Unknown
Some cancers have a 0% five year survival rate with chemotherapy. Radiation and chemotherapy destroys your immune system and opens you up for additional diseases to come in. And it doesn’t kill the cancer stem cells. The cancer stem cells are floating around in the circulating tumor cells are floating around in the bloodstream waiting and looking for opportunity to sprout new tumors.
00:15:56:16 – 00:16:18:21
Unknown
So this is information that most doctors don’t even know. And the ones who do, they should be telling this to their patients and say, hey, look, let’s look at what all your options are. Right? This is a code of ethics for doctors. You should know what all your options are and present them to your patient. But they don’t because the doctors are not even trained on this in conventional medical school.
00:16:18:21 – 00:16:37:15
Unknown
They’re not. I’ve talked to hundreds of doctors in the last 15 years, literally hundreds, and they are not trained on this in conventional medical school. So they can’t give their patients all their options. Right. And so your doctor said, hey, we had to chemotherapy. And what prevented you from saying yes to that? What was what was it inside of you like?
00:16:37:15 – 00:17:02:10
Unknown
What and what did you do next at that point? Well, here I hear I had to go back to the doctor every three months. And meanwhile, I am just totally a different person. I had before that had been kind of the life of the party. The guy that is wants to have a lot of fun and do things and stay active and and and, you know, very ambitious at that time.
00:17:02:10 – 00:17:23:16
Unknown
And and, you know, I had several businesses that were doing well. And I just, you know, could see the future as being, you know, huge for me financially. And, you know, at that point that was very important to me. And and I kind of went through some ups and downs growing up, a lot of death in my family.
00:17:23:16 – 00:17:55:11
Unknown
But and I didn’t care for a long time. But then eventually I started to, you know, see things a little differently. And got into my own business and and things were going good. But so I went to get checked out every three months, and he would look at my lymph nodes, feel my lymph nodes, and check. That’s basically all they do is they go, Well, how are you feeling that, you know, they feel under your arms, feel in your growing area, feeling, you know, just all over, palpitating, everything, you know, and just say, well, everything looks good.
00:17:55:11 – 00:18:17:02
Unknown
Let’s we’ll see you in three months. Let’s keep our fingers crossed. So you go back and all this time, like I said, I just wasn’t the same guy. I wasn’t easy to be around and I was stressed out over this thing. Some people don’t seem to do pretty well with this kind of a diagnosis. I didn’t do very well with it.
00:18:17:04 – 00:18:36:04
Unknown
I guess it was just, you know, why did this happen to me? You know, kind of thing. I’m a good person. You go through that feeling sorry for yourself. And and I had a had a little girl that wasn’t even two years old. And, you know, I was just everything was great. Now now all this is happening to me.
00:18:36:06 – 00:19:06:09
Unknown
And so one day, my wife says, you know, I don’t want to be with married again, I mean, married to you anymore. And she says, you know, I’m leaving. And she left, took my little girl into town and we lived out on a farm and we just, you know, everything just went really south on me. So and after that, I didn’t really care for a little bit whether I lived or died.
00:19:06:09 – 00:19:28:14
Unknown
You know, I kind of went through that kind of thing. Probably a lot of depression and everything. But a friend of mine says, look, you know, why don’t you come work with us? You need to get away. You know, that’s not you. You’ve had businesses. You need to come work with us. You had a business with a couple of partners, and they were looking for someone to do some work in Dallas for them.
00:19:28:14 – 00:19:47:23
Unknown
And I. I thought it might be a good opportunity. I was doing okay, You know, here I have cancer or maybe the cancer never would come back. I didn’t know at this point, but so I decided to move to Dallas and I moved to Dallas, started working with them, and I thought everything would, you know, get my mind off of it.
00:19:47:23 – 00:20:12:07
Unknown
Everything would just go away. But after a few months of working with these guys, things were going really good. But I noticed a lump in my growing and it was like a large marvel and I was taking a shower and I went, Oh my God, word is coming because I was always feeling around, you know, the doctor did it, I do it.
00:20:12:09 – 00:20:37:17
Unknown
So I’m feeling around. I call the doctor up and he says, Well, it’s probably nothing to it. He said, You might have bumped yourself or irritated the lymph node or something. He said, Don’t worry about it. Just, you know, come in and, you know, another couple of months or whatever it been since I’d seen him. And it just kept getting bigger and it was like a size of a golf ball now.
00:20:37:19 – 00:20:58:20
Unknown
And I said to the doctor, I said, Look, you know, this thing’s getting bigger. And he says, Well, why don’t you come on down to Houston? And that’s where I had been living down north of Houston. You come on down to Houston and we’ll look at it. So I go down there and the doctor says, Well, I think we need to remove this and see what it is.
00:20:58:22 – 00:21:17:09
Unknown
He says, Probably nothing. It’s probably just, I don’t know, let’s just get you in the morning first thing in the morning. The most optimistic doctor in the world. Yeah, well, that’s that’s right. And he always said that’s probably nothing. Don’t worry about it. Came across as a nice guy and everything. So he says come back in the morning and he says, we’ll just remove it.
00:21:17:12 – 00:21:42:13
Unknown
Probably be a little incision, won’t be anything to it. And so here I am. I’m worried to death. Now I got to go. Go see what it is. Nobody wants to know what it is sometimes. So I’m sitting there in the hospital after after the surgery in my recovery bed or laying there. He comes through the door and he says, James, I’m sorry to tell you that the cancer spread, it’s in your lymphatic system.
00:21:42:13 – 00:22:04:12
Unknown
And he said, We removed all your major lymph nodes in your right grow. And he says, Now we’re going to have to keep a good eye because it’s probably going to spread to the other side. He said. And maybe other areas of the body, he says, We got to really keep an eye on this. But he says, I don’t know what else to do other than do 80 chemotherapy treatments.
00:22:04:14 – 00:22:31:01
Unknown
He said, Let’s do 80 chemotherapy. He says experimental chemotherapy. And I, I didn’t know anything about it, but I said 80. That sounds like a lot. He says, We’ll get you in the hospital after you recover from the surgery. And he says, Why don’t you just stay in the hospital for the next probably three weeks and we’ll just have you recover enough to where you can do the chemotherapy.
00:22:31:03 – 00:22:55:23
Unknown
And he says, you know, we’ll elevate your temperature, we’ll do hypothermia, which was kind of new back to him. Well, elevated as high as we can. And then what we’ll do is as you can, we’ll make you good sick, basically, and make you feel like you’re freezing to death will elevate you. Then we’ll give you an I.V. of typhoid serum, you know, first to elevate your temperature.
00:22:55:23 – 00:23:14:19
Unknown
Then we’re going to follow that up with with chemotherapy. And he says it’s going to take 8 to 10 hours each day and you’ll be, you know, in the hospital bed and we’ll have our vision. And he says, and then the next day you’ll do another treatment. He said, We’ll do five treatments at a time because it takes you.
00:23:14:19 – 00:23:41:19
Unknown
It’ll take you two months to recover from the five treatments. He says. It’s it’s rough stuff and it’s, you know, it’s very exhausting. And and a lot of people go through a kind of an awakening period. So I’m laying there and I’m like, Oh my God, I got to do something. This is awful. So the doctors there and he says, Also, you need to do a lip drainage pump because your lip is your leg swelling up.
00:23:41:19 – 00:23:59:19
Unknown
Now we’ve got to get that down and you got to do that for several hours a day for who knows how many years. And he said, because you don’t have any lymph nodes over there and we don’t want you to end up losing your leg. So I’m like, oh my God, we want you to have lymphedema. And then it just, you know, we got to remove your leg.
00:23:59:21 – 00:24:26:03
Unknown
So I have to go through that now. And then he says to me, he says, But we didn’t want to tell me this. But I said, Doctor, what are my chances here? You know, what do you think? And he says, Well, from my experience, he said, You got to 20% chance of surviving 3 to 5 years. And he says, Not very good chance at all if you don’t do the chemotherapy like we talked about earlier.
00:24:26:05 – 00:24:46:24
Unknown
So I’m like, oh my God, I got to do something. You know, what the heck am I going to do? This isn’t good. I’m 32 years old and here I am like this. So I’m laying there and I’m thinking, you know, something’s got to give. I got to find something. There’s got to be a better way. And I’m just really stressed out there.
00:24:46:24 – 00:25:10:21
Unknown
And so I kind of started thinking about this for a few days and feeling bad and sorry for myself as usual. And people were coming in the hospital to see me and all that. And, you know, I was on morphine because I was in a lot of pain and, you know, from the surgery mostly. And, you know, it just was up me open and it was very painful.
00:25:10:23 – 00:25:30:01
Unknown
And I’m laying there and I’m like, what am I going to do? You know, I kept saying this to myself and I was laying there one day and I got a phone. It just the phone rang, phone call and it was a minister at a church I went to from time to time he calls me up and he says, James, this is Ron.
00:25:30:01 – 00:25:53:06
Unknown
Ron was the minister’s name. He says, I heard you were in here. He says, I just want you to know I’ve been praying for you and many people have been praying for you that in town and at the church and everything, we lived in a small town, he says. You know, that’s the beauty of a small town. Yeah, he says.
00:25:53:06 – 00:26:18:07
Unknown
If anybody can beat this cancer, you can. I want you to know that. And he says, You’re a tough guy, Ron. He was a rancher this guy played professional baseball, was retired. He says you could push yourself. You know how to push yourself. He says you’re the guy that can do it, you know? And he says, I don’t want you to not give up.
00:26:18:09 – 00:26:35:24
Unknown
He says, You know, you beat this S.O.B. and cancer, you know, And he didn’t say it like that, but he said it. And it got my attention because I never heard the guy talk like that. And he and I and I just, like, raised up and I said, I got to do something. I really got to do something.
00:26:35:24 – 00:26:52:12
Unknown
He’s right. So what was I going to do next? I didn’t know. But then I started to pray. I started to pray to God. I wasn’t a guy that was real religious. I didn’t pray a lot or anything, but I started to pray to God. I said, I’ve got to get some help. God, you got to help me.
00:26:52:12 – 00:27:14:04
Unknown
You know, I’m really down and out here. I’m miserable. I’m probably not going to live much longer. You got to help me find an answer. I got to find an answer. And I kept feeling like my whole body was involved in this prayer. Like every cell in my body was involved in this prayer. And I just I never had that kind of feeling.
00:27:14:04 – 00:27:36:15
Unknown
It felt like I was just, you know, not in not in the world I’d been in for a few minutes there and I prayed. And when I woke up from that prayer, I kind of, you know, started to feel this this calmness over me, I guess you could say, like, you’re not alone. You know, I’m not all alone with this.
00:27:36:15 – 00:27:58:24
Unknown
And, you know, my my wife had left me, and here I felt like you know, that that I was alone with all this. But then I then about 20 minutes after that, and I got a knock on the hospital door, and a friend of mine, a really good friend from college, came through the door and I had seen him in seven years.
00:27:59:01 – 00:28:23:09
Unknown
He walks through the door and he’s waving these papers in his hand. And he said, James, he says, I heard about you, you know, through some of our old friends, and that I felt so bad for you. And and and I wanted to come visit you. And he says, I was driving around the area. This was in Houston, around the hospital district down there.
00:28:23:11 – 00:28:44:00
Unknown
He said, I’m driving around the area and I want to come see you. But, you know, I didn’t know if I should if I if it was the right thing to do because I wanted to share something with you. And he says, But something inside of me told me, Just get in there. Quit him, hang around, just go in there and see James.
00:28:44:02 – 00:29:06:08
Unknown
So he came in and here I am. And I said, What do you got in your hand there? And he says, Well, a friend of a friend of mine at work gave me this this article. And it’s actually a book review, and it’s about a guy that healed himself of cancer using a diet lifestyle. And I said, I’m going to do that.
00:29:06:10 – 00:29:25:15
Unknown
He goes, You don’t know what it is. I said, I don’t care what it is. I’m going to do what it what you have in your hand. Let me see it. I started to read it. It was about a guy whose name was Dirk Benedict and Dirk Benedict was the actor that was on TV and he was on a team called The A-Team.
00:29:25:17 – 00:29:53:15
Unknown
And Dirk Benedict was had had what he thought at the time was prostate cancer and all the symptoms and all the stuff going on. But he didn’t want to do you know, he didn’t want to have his prostate removed. And he was a young guy and he was a very popular actor on TV. And the thing is, is he found out about the macrobiotic diet.
00:29:53:17 – 00:30:13:19
Unknown
Well, I didn’t know what that was at the time. And he talked about in his article by this macrobiotic diet and the and use the the macrobiotic lifestyle to heal himself. And you know so I thought well if it if it’ll work for Derek, it’ll work for me. So I had my friend go out and find his book.
00:30:13:21 – 00:30:40:08
Unknown
It was Confessions of a Kamikaze Cowboy and it was about a guy that grew up in Montana, and he grew up in central Montana, north of Bozeman, where you’re from? Yeah, UPenn. What’s the name of that little town up there? I forget now, but anyway, north of Bozeman, it’s not Big Sky. Let’s see. Livingston. Uh, it’s straight up north.
00:30:40:08 – 00:31:08:05
Unknown
It’s worse. North was. I have to look on the map? Yeah, I’m trying to remember now. Three or four X or Livingston or something. It’s. It’s further north, but it’s up. And it’s like if you go to Great Falls and just cut across, like you’re going to Billings is right up in the middle, about right over kind of right up above Bozeman or Livingston up probably an hour and a half, two hour drive up north.
00:31:08:07 – 00:31:27:22
Unknown
But anyway, you get three forks. You got to get tossed in. I’ve never been up to tossed in towns in have been through towns. And so I have been through oh, I’ve been through to Austin Townsend. We used to go up there north and go. We’d go to Canyon Ferry, which is a lake right there by Helena. Helena Townsend.
00:31:27:24 – 00:31:51:24
Unknown
And this is further, further east. Okay. Yeah, we used to go boating and I was camping up there. Further east is where you got Deer Lodge. You got Anaconda. Oh, you got Missoula, which is the big, you know. Yeah. I don’t know if it was the name of Zula. I’m curious. I can’t. That’s where I grew up. I mean, I grew up, so I was in Montana till I was 18.
00:31:51:24 – 00:32:13:10
Unknown
I moved away and moved to San Diego when I was 18 to live in Montana. And I was about to that was about to die in Montana. If I’d stayed another another month, I have been dead at 18. There’s no doubt about that. Well, sounds like you got a good story to tell. So anyway, so I’m like, yeah, Anyway, he’s from there and I thought, well, I relate to him because here I had a little farm in Texas.
00:32:13:10 – 00:32:28:24
Unknown
He grew up on a ranch, so I felt like he was sort of like a cowboy, you know, but an actor now. And he had that kind of mentality and I kind of had that same mentality that, hey, if it’ll work for this one, it’ll work for me. And I’ll, you know, I’ll get down on all fours and knock heads.
00:32:29:05 – 00:32:48:20
Unknown
So all of a sudden I got all this energy, you know, all this, this lack of hope and feeling sorry for myself went out the window and now I’ve got some hope because, you know, I found something I thought was really, really something that I was going to do. And I was so my friend went out and got that book.
00:32:48:20 – 00:33:09:00
Unknown
He found it. He came back that evening and gave it to me and I got to reading it and it just I just said, this guy is is, is, you know, basically my savior. You know, he brought this book to me and now I’m going to do this program. And, you know, it came out of out of nowhere to bring this article to me.
00:33:09:02 – 00:33:29:14
Unknown
But after that prayer and after that minister called me. So here I am. And I think it’s meant to be here. Something is going on. So I’m very excited. And I read the book and stayed up and I don’t care how messed up I was and how I felt on the morphine. I all that when I just started really getting into it.
00:33:29:16 – 00:33:55:05
Unknown
And the next morning I got another knock on the hospital door and here comes my stepmother. That basically raised me. My real mother died before I was two, And and then my stepmother raised me from the age of four and a half phone up, and she came in the door and she had a book and it was about vitamin C and cancer.
00:33:55:07 – 00:34:31:11
Unknown
Now, the book was written by Linus Pauling and E when Cameron and Linus Pauling, you know, I didn’t know who Linus Pauling was. Linus Pauling, you know, has won two Nobel Prizes and it was a famous guy, but I didn’t know who he was. But he talked about in the book about people that had taken a lot of vitamin C that were terminal, did very well on the vitamin C, and then a lot of them stayed around as long as they took the vitamin C, and when they stopped about them at sea, they would a lot of them passed away and they were like people on their last leg.
00:34:31:13 – 00:34:57:01
Unknown
And and it talked about how vitamin C could really save people’s lives and all that with cancer. Well, I said, well, if vitamin C will help those people, you know, the ones that stayed with it and kept taking it, I’ll do that too. I’ll do vitamin C, I’ll do high dose vitamin C, and I didn’t know anything about it, but White Sulfur Springs is the town.
00:34:57:03 – 00:35:19:11
Unknown
Why Silver Spring? I think I’ve been through there. Yeah. Yeah, man, I just brought it up here. That’s what I remember. But so the thing is, vitamin C is interesting for people don’t know, you know, our. But with vitamin C, our body produces hydrogen peroxide. We make hydrogen peroxide. Naturally in our body. Vitamin C is one of the one of the catalysts for natural hydrogen peroxide production in the body.
00:35:19:11 – 00:35:48:23
Unknown
And when we put high dose vitamin C in the body, especially over a period of time, we increase the hydrogen peroxide. Well, hydrogen peroxide is actually deadly to cancer cells, but it doesn’t generally harm healthy cells. So, you know, this is why a lot of functional medicine doctors and integrative doctors will put their patients on high dose vitamin C, drip IVs because it’s helping produce that natural hydrogen peroxide, which is going after and helping destroy the cancer cells without harming the healthy cells.
00:35:48:23 – 00:36:11:04
Unknown
And there’s a lot of research on this. Again, back to what we said earlier. Yeah, you know, most medical doctors don’t know this, so it’s amazing that you had both a friend bring you this book and then you say to your step mom right now, actually the book on vitamin C and you hadn’t been asking had you been asking anybody for like help or.
00:36:11:06 – 00:36:31:02
Unknown
No. And this book came from a distant relative that heard about me being in the hospital. And so a friend of hers told her about this book. She went out and bought the book. You know, it’s kind of how things happen. She brought this and didn’t know anything about it. So I’m laying there and I’m excited. Now I got I’m going to do this diet, this lifestyle.
00:36:31:02 – 00:36:52:04
Unknown
I’m going to do all this vitamin C, because, you know, that’s these both these these diet and that’s anti-cancer, You know, I’m going to do it. So then the next morning, it’s funny, in three days I got three knocks on the door that that really, truly saved my life. I know that. And I you know, I look back at it and there’s nothing else that could have really.
00:36:52:04 – 00:37:14:23
Unknown
And I got a knock on the door and here comes a fellow through the door never seen before. And he was a guy that was a psychotherapist for the hospital for the cancer ward. And the whole floor was cancer people. And he came through the door and he says, Look, I’m so-and-so. And he says, I would love to come talk to you.
00:37:14:23 – 00:37:38:14
Unknown
I hear you’ve been depressed and down and out. And, you know, I would love to talk to you. Can I come back tomorrow and talk to you? And we could sit down, have a little talk. And I said, Sure. Well, at that point I knew what I was to ask him, but I was so excited now to think about the possibilities going forward because I knew found treasures.
00:37:38:16 – 00:37:55:24
Unknown
So he comes through the door the next day, and soon as he walks through that hospital door, the door was keep those doors cracked open, you know, about half way or third, fourth of the way, I don’t know. But anyway, you can see people I hear people going down the halls and stuff. So he comes through the door.
00:37:56:01 – 00:38:18:08
Unknown
He goes, knock, knock, knock, comes to the door. And I see him. He starts, you know, moving a little bit towards my hospital bed. And I said, Listen, I want to ask you a question. Have you ever heard of something called macrobiotics? And he just turned around. He says, hold on. And he walks out. I thought he’s leaving.
00:38:18:10 – 00:38:41:19
Unknown
He turned I went out in the hall. I thought, I guess I said the wrong thing. You know, you don’t want any part of me. So he goes out the door and he looks down the hall and or something and he comes in any shuts the door tightly. He says, Yes, I have heard about macrobiotics, but I won’t tell you what I know unless you promise not to tell anybody of our conversation.
00:38:41:21 – 00:38:59:22
Unknown
I don’t want to lose my job. I don’t want to lose my pension. I’ve been here 25 years or something like, I don’t want to lose this, he says. But he says, I want to share with you if you’ll promise that you won’t let it be mine. Oh, we had this talk. I said, I won’t tell anybody. You know, I’m telling today all the time.
00:38:59:22 – 00:39:21:19
Unknown
But, you know, I don’t know if the guy is still alive. But the thing is, he he came in and he sat down. He says, Yeah, I know a lot about this. He said, I’ve heard a lot of great things. A lot of people done very well on this diet and lifestyle, he says. I know a few people that have recovered, you know, with this this particular diet, he said.
00:39:21:21 – 00:39:39:16
Unknown
It takes a lot of work, though. You’ve got to roll up your sleeves. You got to do it. A lot of cooking. And he says to me, there’s a right way to do it and a wrong way. He said, it’s not just going down to the health food store and getting, you know, brown rice and beans, He said.
00:39:39:16 – 00:40:02:20
Unknown
It’s a lot more to it than that. Well, I didn’t know what he was talking about that point because I was just learning about it. He goes and he comes in and he says to me, though, he says, I think you might be the kind of guy that can do it, because, by the way, you don’t seem too depressed and you don’t seem, you know, like like I thought you were going to be.
00:40:02:21 – 00:40:22:02
Unknown
He says, You seem like you’re a little excited about something. And he says, You know, I’ll tell you, I tried the macrobiotic diet for a while myself. But he said, You know, I couldn’t stick with it because it takes so much time and effort. And he said, But you seem like you’re determined. And the young man, he says, I, I think this could work for you.
00:40:22:02 – 00:40:41:00
Unknown
But remember, you get out to do it the right way, can’t cut corners. And he kept telling me that two or three times. And I remember that to the day. And he says, when he left, he says, you know, whatever you decide to do, I know you’re going to make the right decision. You know, he was like, That is very nice, man.
00:40:41:02 – 00:40:58:15
Unknown
He left. And I knew now this is I mean, there’s no way you could you couldn’t make me not do this. This guy’s doing this in secretive fashion here. You’re telling me all this, He comes through the door, and all this like he’s doing is shutting the door and all that. I said this. This is what I’ve got to do.
00:40:58:15 – 00:41:19:22
Unknown
So I thought, I’ll do everything. I’ll do the chemotherapy, I’ll do the. The macrobiotic died, I’ll do the vitamin C therapy. And if it doesn’t work for me, it won’t work for anybody. Because if a little is good, a lot’s better. That’s how I was. I was, you know, that kind of guy really at heart I just got off track.
00:41:20:02 – 00:41:43:21
Unknown
All this depression and fear. And now. Now I’m getting back to my old self. So I knew that if I. If I did that, I could, you know, I could beat the cancer. But I started after I got that few weeks out of out of the way for the recovery from the surgery, I started to do the chemotherapy treatments.
00:41:43:23 – 00:42:02:14
Unknown
And the chemotherapy doctor comes in and he says, Well, I want to tell you this is rough stuff. And you know, your body’s either going to respond or it’s not going to respond and we hope you respond, He said that’s the hope here that that your body responds. So they started to gave me the chemotherapy and elevated my temperature.
00:42:02:14 – 00:42:26:12
Unknown
And I put these weighted blankets on you because, I mean, you’re really just freezing to death. And I was so sick and so weak from that after recovery of the surgery. But I made it through it that five days and they make you stay a couple of days for recovery from that. And then I went at home. Somehow I made it through the first five five treatments.
00:42:26:14 – 00:42:49:15
Unknown
So I went home and I was very weak. But the chemotherapy just drained me and I was very weak. I went home to my stepmother’s house. I was living in Dallas, but I went to her house because I couldn’t really do a lot. So I went there and she went out and got me some brown rice and beans and and and I started trying to do a little bit of the diet.
00:42:49:17 – 00:43:13:15
Unknown
And anyway, I, I started on it, but I didn’t start with vitamin C yet, but I was trying, you know, to learn and read and get get more books and whatever we could find. You couldn’t order them on Amazon and places like that back then. So it’d be like if you could find some of those books. But I got every macrobiotic book I could get, every cookbook I could find.
00:43:13:17 – 00:43:39:19
Unknown
I sent my mother to health food stores in several towns, you know, to find the books. And macrobiotics was a lot bigger back then, and you don’t hear about it as much now. But the thing is, is I was starting to get into it and then eventually I had enough strength to go back to Dallas. But but by now it was almost two months and I had to go back, do more chemotherapy.
00:43:39:21 – 00:43:56:24
Unknown
So I decided to go back and get that next batch of chemotherapy. And of course, you know, I’m going to do all. So I go back in there and they must have doubled or tripled it because I had never felt so sick and weak in my life. And it was just like I couldn’t keep anything in my stomach.
00:43:57:01 – 00:44:22:13
Unknown
And I was, you know, just weak. I couldn’t eat. And after about the fourth treatment, I guess I was just lethargic. I was laying there. And I remember one day I was laying there and a nurse came in and says, who’s been watching this? This man’s temperature? And she was hollering at one of the nurses. And I was just like, you know, I felt like I was about dead.
00:44:22:15 – 00:44:45:23
Unknown
So I’m laying there and she came through and saying that she says, this man could die. This is way too high. Get it down, get some get some ice packs and all this to get it down. His temperature’s too high, so I thought to myself, Well, they’re going to kill me in here if I don’t get out of here, because every night I would hear somebody roll down the hallway, you know, a lot of commotion.
00:44:46:00 – 00:45:10:05
Unknown
And I would ask the nuns, there was nuns in this hospital that would come around to visit. And they would say to me, well, you know, so-and-so passed away last night. And I’d say, Really? I just talked to her like a few days ago. Well, and she would say, Well, she has cancer. So I really found out then that what killed these people was pneumonia or kidney failure.
00:45:10:08 – 00:45:36:18
Unknown
Yeah, Yeah. So here I’m like, I mean, that’s the number one. I mean, heart, heart disease and other other factors are actually the things that kill most cancer patients. It’s not the cancer. It’s, you know, that’s what I discovered when my grandfather was diagnosed with leukemia. This is what led me into cancer research. And down this path that I’ve been on for just over a decade now was when I went to visit him.
00:45:36:18 – 00:45:56:05
Unknown
You know, he went from a fairly active man to somebody just like you’re explaining. I mean, after the treatments, sitting at home can’t get out of the couch so sick and so much pain. Right. And he just it basically the treatments took away I truly believe the treatments killed him. You know what, The cancer eventually it killed him.
00:45:56:10 – 00:46:16:15
Unknown
Probably if he if he didn’t learn all the things that you learned along the way and make the changes. Yeah, but that’s what led me down this path was I quickly realized, look, these treatments are killing him. And they did it. And it was it was so sad to see. And so, I mean, well, they don’t want to admit it and they don’t.
00:46:16:15 – 00:46:34:17
Unknown
And they always blame it on the cancer. But it’s generally not the cancer that kills you. It’s the pneumonia or the other infection you get because the treatments inhibit your immune system, immune system, and you get a lot of germs in the hospitals and there’s people, you know, and all these nurses coming in and out, you know, being exposed to things.
00:46:34:17 – 00:47:01:01
Unknown
And, you know, you’re getting you’re getting exposed. And so I’m laying there, you know, and I’m thinking, you know, I’m going to be next. I feel so weak. And so the doctor comes in, here comes the doctor, the main doctor, the doctor that actually removed my mole the first time he was the surgeon, he came in, he says, Well, I hear you’re not doing well, you know, with the with the treatments.
00:47:01:03 – 00:47:29:20
Unknown
And I said, Sir, I’m not. He says, Well, he says, that’s not what we hope for. We’d hope that your body would would not reject it like it is. It’s it’s not your body’s not, not doing well with it. And it’s either you do well or you don’t, he says. And we don’t know what else to do. And I’m saying to him, I said, Look, you know, people are dying every night and I don’t want to be the next one.
00:47:29:22 – 00:47:50:10
Unknown
I said in, there’s something else I can do. What about vitamin C? What about diets? He goes, Oh, there’s nothing at all. That doesn’t matter. That doesn’t make a difference. And he says, You know, this is all I know to do. And and I said, What if what if I was your son or daughter? I don’t know if he had kids or not.
00:47:50:12 – 00:48:09:15
Unknown
He said, I do the same thing. I said, you could do the same thing even if it even if it would kill him. He goes, Yeah. He said, That’s all I know to do. And I said, Well, doctor, I don’t want to die in here from this stuff, you know. He goes, Well, listen, he says, We’re all going to die someday.
00:48:09:17 – 00:48:32:14
Unknown
He says that to me, you know, in a nice way. Well, it made me so mad. Nice. And I, I raised up in the bed here I was down to don’t know how much weight I lost. You lose a lot of weight doing all this stuff, you know, because you can’t eat, you’re throwing up. And so I raised up in the bed and I said, Look, if I had the energy, I would get out of this bed and tear you apart, you S.O.B..
00:48:32:16 – 00:48:54:20
Unknown
I said that to him. And that guy looked at me like he had seen a ghost. And I mean, he he just turn around, walked out the door and, you know, blame me. I probably would have done the same damn thing. I mean, I did and I. I made up my mind right then that, you know, the not that night, but the next night I was going to sneak out of the hospital at two in the morning.
00:48:54:22 – 00:49:22:15
Unknown
And I wasn’t, you know, because two in the morning I just something in Macy’s, two in the morning. Nobody there’s not much going on at two in the morning, hopefully. And so I had I just knew that I had to get out of there and I was not going to look back and I was just going to go all macrobiotic, all natural from that point on, because if I wasn’t responding and the doctor already told me if I didn’t do the chemo, I was going to live very long.
00:49:22:17 – 00:49:41:18
Unknown
So here I am not responding. So what am I going to do? Just keep coming in here and get weaker and weaker and weaker, you know? So so here I am thinking that that I’m just getting out of here. So I had a friend come in to see me. He’s I told him I’m leaving tomorrow night. And he said, What do you mean they’re letting you out?
00:49:41:20 – 00:50:00:15
Unknown
I said, No, I’m sneaking out because I don’t want you. Don’t they don’t. Let’s they don’t like you to leave either. Like they will try to keep you there. I mean, I’ve had I had three or four more days. I had to stay there because I had to recover and all that. And I’m saying, you know, if I try to just leave and not come back, it’s going to be easier if I just get up and leave.
00:50:00:17 – 00:50:23:02
Unknown
So my friend says, Well, you know, you can’t do that. And I said, Oh, I’m going to do it. And he said, I said, Look, let’s go down the street. I’m very weak, but I’m starving to death and I’m sick and I have no energy. Let’s go down the street. There’s a barbecue place out next block. This is true.
00:50:23:04 – 00:50:44:05
Unknown
And I, I put on my clothes and I was. He went with me, and we. I had some barbecue. I couldn’t eat much. I was sick, but I just felt like meat. I mean, that’s just what I felt like. And I said, I am not the hospital food. I couldn’t even get it down. And I said to him, We were talking over there and I said, This is my last meat probably for the rest of my life.
00:50:44:08 – 00:51:03:03
Unknown
Mean, that’s how I felt at the time. Yeah, I said I am changing, I am not going to ever eat. But I said I just felt like I needed some extra energy here. And I mean, I probably threw up again and when I got back. But anyway, I got back to the hospital the next day. They I did one more chemotherapy treatment.
00:51:03:03 – 00:51:21:24
Unknown
I’m like an idiot, but I did it because I had one more left before I had to recover. And I just went ahead and did it and somehow I made it out of it. And that night, two in the morning, I put on my jeans and and I had a vehicle parked down in the parking lot all this time.
00:51:22:01 – 00:51:55:11
Unknown
And I went down there and I snuck down the hallway. I kept looking, you know, back and forth to see if there’s a nurses at the nurses station down the hall. I didn’t see anybody down there. And I snuck kind of along the edge of the wall and down to the exit and snuck down the hall, down the stairs, probably four flights of stairs and, you know, hanging to the rail because I was weak and got outside, went to the parking lot and paid my my fee to get out of there and got out of there and went home and threw up twice on the way to my mother’s house, on the highway, on the
00:51:55:11 – 00:52:15:20
Unknown
interstate, because I was sick, you know, and just. Yeah. So anyway, and I said, then I’m never going back. And I’m going I told my stepmother woke her up when I came in, you know, and, you know, 330 in the morning or 4:00 or whatever it was. And you know, those people like that, they always get up early.
00:52:15:20 – 00:52:35:11
Unknown
Anyway. So she was ready to get up. But a lot of them, I don’t know, form. And I said, I’m never going back to that hospital. And she says, Well, you do what you need to do. I support you. And I said, I’m going to dig in. And so I dug in from that point on and I never looked back and I started that bottom at sea.
00:52:35:13 – 00:53:01:08
Unknown
And to this day, I take huge amounts of vitamin C all these years and I do a lot of things, but, you know, it just and believing, believing starts to happen, you start to believe. And that to me, I think is at least 50% is believing and having a positive outlook. Hope is huge. And and that’s kind of where I started.
00:53:01:10 – 00:53:20:20
Unknown
And after about three months on the macrobiotic diet, because I started to do it not perfect, but really dug in and I didn’t have any energy and I still did it. I just said, I’m not going to go back. I can’t I can’t do it. I’m going to you know, I weighed £120 and I went from 175 to 120.
00:53:20:22 – 00:53:46:11
Unknown
And you know, I mean, it’s just weak and no energy. So but but it took me a while to gain my weight back because, you know, it took a couple of years to start gaining back to where I was 145. I got up to 130 or something. But, you know, you just you know, you’re trying to, you know, detox your body and get rid of all these toxins and now yellows, chemotherapy, and you too.
00:53:46:11 – 00:54:10:03
Unknown
So I ended up doing ten, ten chemotherapy treatments out of 80. And I’ve heard people say, well, chemotherapies, what did it you know, like, you know, doctors, you know, like they said, that’s why you’re still around because of the chemotherapy, whether it is or not, I, I don’t I never nobody knows because I never went back to those guys and I didn’t want them fooling with me more.
00:54:10:05 – 00:54:39:16
Unknown
I go to you know, natural doctors and and doctors that think the way I do. And a lot of them are MDs. And, you know, when I need to see somebody, I have great, you know, functional medicine and all that. But and but there’s so much people can do. And, you know, and and just just you got to get on the right path, you know, because when this kicks in, I think the healing really starts.
00:54:39:18 – 00:55:01:07
Unknown
Talk about the macrobiotic diet for for a little bit. There’s there’s different versions of it, but it’s pretty there’s a pretty base foundation of it. It’s mostly vegetarian rights, cutting out meat. Most meat and dairy, it’s cutting out, you know, processed foods, processed flowers, processed sugars, things like that. It’s a lot of grains and beans and vegetables and talk about what you did with the Mac.
00:55:01:07 – 00:55:27:20
Unknown
Well, I started off I started off and I was reading all of the books by now. I’d read read these, you know, all the the books. And and I had a good idea what I needed to do. Now, I wasn’t a cook, but, you know, I learned and I learned to like my cooking and I moved back, went up back to Dallas and had an apartment, lived along and started to cook.
00:55:27:22 – 00:55:48:00
Unknown
Well I had an electric stove. And they always recommend use a gas stove. Well, I didn’t have a gas stove in this particular apartment, so I went and bought me a Coleman Camp stove. You know, one of those two burner stoves started cooking everything on that. And I put it on the counter next to the other stove. And that’s what I did.
00:55:48:00 – 00:56:22:17
Unknown
And I cooked in a in there for pretty much that whole year on that and on that. Well, eventually I moved when my lettuce was up and moved to another part of the gas stove. But I cooked on that and I, I started to learn that whole grains were very important for me at the time because of the detoxification process, because of all the fiber, you know, fibers of prebiotic which supports and promotes good, good, healthy gut flora.
00:56:22:17 – 00:56:48:18
Unknown
And that’s 70 to 80% probably of your immunity, you know, the gut health. And and you start to really detoxify like you never can imagine eating, you know, whole grains. And the original the diet was kind of like Mary Jo Kushi was kind of the the the head macrobiotic guru, I guess you want to say in this country at the time.
00:56:48:20 – 00:57:17:16
Unknown
And his his model was kind of like you took a pie and you said 50% whole grains. This is in a day’s time, 50% whole grains, 25% or so of vegetables. And most of these were cruciferous vegetables, which are the best kind of anti-cancer fighting cancer, fighting vegetables that that, you know, I mean, I never eat some big vegetables in my life as I did on that diet.
00:57:17:16 – 00:57:55:01
Unknown
And they were cooked some lightly cooked, some cooked a little longer. But that very nutritious organic, of course. Yeah. And the grains were all organic. We used to haul our own rice, had a rice whole in machine. That way you get you get the rice is a lot healthier, got more energy. And what nowadays you want to do if you’re if you’re on a macrobiotic or a whole grain type diet at all you want to soak grains because there’s a lot of, you know, fiery acid in the grains that help to destroy your mineral absorption.
00:57:55:03 – 00:58:17:10
Unknown
And they’ve also there’s a lot of cadmium and arsenic in grains. So people go, Oh, well, I I’m not eating that. But a lot of the grains, too, are coming from China and places like that. I don’t eat anything from China and that I know of, hopefully. And I try to eat everything that’s grown, you know, in the in the healthiest environment.
00:58:17:16 – 00:58:37:07
Unknown
But you still get a lot of this. And so you need to soak those grains for at least 8 hours. And then you got you have to, you know, almost like take a cheesecloth or, you know, some kind of a cloth, a port, pour it out and then sift that out. And then and then you soak it a little bit longer and then rinse it again.
00:58:37:11 – 00:58:57:09
Unknown
That gets rid of most of it. And that’s what people are doing nowadays, because I’ve interviewed some of the top macrobiotic experts, It really gets rid of most of lectins, gets rid of most fatty acid, gets rid of most of, you know, chemicals and things like that on the rice and and yeah, and same thing if you cook your grains and cook your beans fully, that’s another really important thing.
00:58:57:09 – 00:59:20:15
Unknown
It’s going to basically eliminate a lot of that as well. Eliminating the lectins people. You know, there’s a lot of these doctors now today who are on this carnivore kick and whether carnivore is something you can sustain long term or not, we really don’t know. We don’t have long term evidence. I’m not sure it’s and I really don’t think it’s a longevity diet people I think people are seeing benefits on it for a number of reasons.
00:59:20:15 – 00:59:46:04
Unknown
One, they’re getting out some of the culprits in their diet that were causing gut issues, maybe GMO corn, maybe, you know, some grains that were causing some issues for them or something. They get one or two of those culprits out and they feel better. And then they give all the credit to the, you know, carnivore diet or. Yeah, but a lot of these doctors are putting out honestly, it’s misinformation, saying grains are bad for you and beans are bad for you and plants are bad for you.
00:59:46:06 – 01:00:13:10
Unknown
All the evidence we have for decades and decades shows the more whole grains, whole beans, whole vegetables and fruits you have in the diet, the longer you live with less disease from, you know, ever and from literally thousands and thousands and I mean probably millions of case studies at this point as well of people who switch to either a macrobiotic diet or a Whole Foods plant based diet or a, you know, reducing Yeah.
01:00:13:15 – 01:00:36:06
Unknown
You know, animal products on the diet and eating more fresh foods that their health improves, cancers go away, diabetes goes away. You know, weight. Sure. So it’s not you know, I don’t care what people eat that’s that’s up to them. It’s but to come out and say these things are going to leach out all of your minerals and have all of these anti nutrients that are going to harm you.
01:00:36:06 – 01:00:59:19
Unknown
It’s total B.S. because there’s no study that shows that any person who eats, you know, Whole Foods plant based diet or macrobiotic diet, they’re mineral deficient or vitamin deficient. It doesn’t exist because you get enough vitamins and minerals from these foods. In most cases. Yeah. Where even if it does pull some calcium out or something like that, you have enough going in from the foods that you’re eating.
01:00:59:19 – 01:01:28:14
Unknown
The people who have the problems are the ones who often are not getting enough diversity in their food. They’re not getting enough of the whole grains or whole beans or vegetables and things like that. They’re having some more processed foods and packaged foods in their diet. And yes, we do have the concern of soils, you know, especially if you’re buying conventional food that or food that is, you know, roto tilled every year and there’s no cover crops and not organic.
01:01:28:16 – 01:01:47:09
Unknown
You’re buying conventional food and these foods are lacking the nutrients that they had 100 years ago. We know that that’s a problem. But that’s why you said you are also buying from local organic farms, going to your farmer’s market, talking with them, say, hey, do you guys use pesticides? Do you till your soil or do you rotate and cover crop?
01:01:47:14 – 01:02:06:18
Unknown
You want them to rotate and cover crop because you’re putting the nutrients back in the soil. So, you know, there’s just a lot of B.S. information out there I think people need to be aware of. But it is you know, it’s like it’s like, you know, the beans, like you said, need to be soaked. And we’ve done that for years, you know, to soak the mains.
01:02:06:18 – 01:02:32:04
Unknown
But people weren’t soaking the grains. And and, you know, the and I’ve heard I’ve interviewed people who said, well, if you eat grains, you know that, you know, you’ll have blood sugar issues and all this stuff. I’ve never seen anybody I mean, diabetics, you know, get better on the macrobiotic diet 100%. And I mean, now macrobiotic diet is this guy was telling me in the hospital, you got to do it the right way.
01:02:32:04 – 01:03:04:09
Unknown
You don’t go get cereal grains, you know, from the health food store or from the grocery store that are cracked and powdered and everything else. I mean, that’s not it. The diet is whole grains, 50%, maybe 30%, maybe 20 depends on each individual. And like used to had the one diet doesn’t fit everyone and and I learned that but at the time I didn’t know what what his whole example was was 50% grains 25% vegetables, 15% beans for the protein.
01:03:04:09 – 01:03:28:18
Unknown
You need the protein, though smaller beans like a Dukey beans, lentil beans, chickpeas, those are the staples. And occasionally some of them are being, you know, yeah, some of that. But the thing is, is most of it was those three or four types of beans. And, you know, you know, we had soups. So so we had we had soups every day.
01:03:28:18 – 01:03:49:09
Unknown
We had me so soup we had every day that was a staple. But I mean, so soup can’t be overheated and it’s got to be a good quality. Me So and you know, there’s there’s that story of there’s not a lot of good quality miso out there. So the thing is, is that that really increases your gut. Flora.
01:03:49:10 – 01:04:19:15
Unknown
Now we’re all talking about immunity here, and then you’ve got your seaweed, your C vegetables and your C vegetables are very important because you get the idea that most people are deficient in. And I don I mean, is anti-cancer. That’s why there’s so much breast cancer and prostate cancer because of deficiencies. And I don I think I think some of the for form that people are deficient iodine.
01:04:19:17 – 01:05:08:17
Unknown
So you’re getting plenty of it on in this. You know it’s not just kelp. You’re talking different types of it’s it’s in the kelp family, but you’re talking about, you know, Kombu and Lakshmi and and his Yaqui is a little high and and and heavy metals. And I sort of got away from that his Yaqui but but I Amrit Ami and Lakshmi and is really good and I use the walk me when I make a miso soup or in other soups you know instead of salt but we use a good quality salt but also you know the C vegetables are very high and they give you the minerals because people say, well if you eat,
01:05:08:17 – 01:05:26:03
Unknown
you know, a lot of grain, like you said, it’s going to affect your mineral absorption. It does some, but if you eat the seaweed, you’re going to get a lot of minerals out of that. So so that that was very important. So it’s you know, it’s it’s just you get people who are worried about a more of a plant based diet.
01:05:26:04 – 01:05:52:08
Unknown
You know, one of the concerns is Vitamin B12 and Nori and some other seaweeds are pretty high in B12. The other thing that people need to realize about B12 specifically is our body can store anywhere from 3 to 5 years worth of B12. I think it’s stored in the liver. And so, you know, there’s this idea that all you’re on a macrobiotic diet or a plant based diet or whatever, you’re not getting B12 from from beef or meat.
01:05:52:10 – 01:06:16:14
Unknown
It’s just not true. You can get it. There are mushrooms that have B12, there are seaweeds that have B12 there. There are plant based sources of B12. And we’re not necessarily in need of B12 coming from our food every single day. It’s just not in need of it. I mean, once your stores are filled up, you literally now some people can yes, you can become B12 deficient and you should test and find out.
01:06:16:16 – 01:06:36:13
Unknown
But a lot of people have my wife, actually, you know, she’s been on a whole food plant based vegan diet for over a decade. She doesn’t take B12 supplements. And we tested the B12 recently and it was through the through the charts like her B12 was way over a normal amount. So I don’t even know where her access B12 is coming from.
01:06:36:18 – 01:07:12:07
Unknown
Her body’s storing large amounts of it. But people’s bodies are different. Right? But point being is it’s not all about, oh, you can’t get B12 from plants. Yes, you can. And you don’t need it necessarily every single day in your food. Your body can store it for years before it, before it can become a problem. Yeah, but seaweeds too, I want to mention, they’re like, you know, this Japanese philosopher who kind of came up with this you know, this this diet stems from a traditional Japanese culture, right, where there’s a lot of organic, locally grown fresh vegetables in the diet.
01:07:12:07 – 01:07:35:13
Unknown
See what fermented vegetables, which is huge for the gut microflora. Right. You know, the great berry rice is a big staple and very little you very little fruit. And people that eat too much fruit with cancer can get into trouble. Sure. Because there’s sugar in fruit. I know People go, oh, well, there’s the phytonutrients and all that, but, you know, berries.
01:07:35:13 – 01:08:01:24
Unknown
Berries are better, like blueberries and and raspberries and and strawberries. But if they’re organic, those are better. But a lot of people get into eating tropical fruits and everything else. But macrobiotics is really designed it was started by George Ozawa, which was basically was kind of a number seven diet. Originally it was miso soup and brown rice, which is way too strict.
01:08:01:24 – 01:08:41:01
Unknown
And I’ve known people that tried to do that and they they’re not here to talk about it. But, you know, it’s just not enough nutrients. And but, you know, when you start getting cruciferous and allium vegetables like the onions and the the scallions and and and leeks, you know, those are very anti-cancer. Also in the macrobiotic they eat some seeds and and nuts not a whole lot but they it’s a very good diet but I mean you’ve never had if you do it right you so many vegetables that when I go to a farmer’s market and I see all these vegetables out there stacked up these beautiful organic vegetables.
01:08:41:03 – 01:09:11:05
Unknown
Yesterday I walked down town and there was they had one going on. And I’m like, wow, It reminds me of the macrobiotic diet, you know, the display of all these vegetables, which, you know, I don’t sometimes feel like I get enough vegetables at times because I don’t eat a strict macrobiotic diet anymore. But I believe in the principles and I think for someone starting out with cancer, it’s a good place to start and understanding that that you can make adjustments.
01:09:11:05 – 01:09:45:20
Unknown
The key factor is it is for most people is they have to keep, you know, the the sugar down low and they’ve got to get enough protein, good healthy protein to keep their energy up, keep the carbs down. You know, as far as going out and getting these, you know, you know, things that are processed foods, carbs and and people sometimes think because it’s a high carb diet, it’s I mean, it’s it’s a it’s really high carb and it’s it’s low fat, It’s high carb, low fat, low protein.
01:09:45:20 – 01:10:12:09
Unknown
And but it’s all healthy carbs and healthy proteins and healthy fats. It’s different. Yeah, it’s different. And how long were you on the macrobiotic diet? Like, pretty strict for about six years. And did you did you do it like vegan or did you have some fish in there? Sometimes I had fish once a week. I had fish and I had usually fish soup like some kind of us, you know, soup.
01:10:12:09 – 01:10:39:12
Unknown
It was usually white meat fish, and it was like vegetables and c vegetables in there and, you know, and it maybe even sometimes had a little miso in there. And the fish was, you know, small amounts. But yeah, we had that and they had a I mean, some people ate it more, but I only ate it once a week and that was on Friday, I guess it was because some people were Catholic and they didn’t eat fish and they didn’t eat meat.
01:10:39:12 – 01:11:01:07
Unknown
So it was, you know, fish day. Yeah. And what’s your diet like now? Well, my diet now is more like kind of I try I try very hard to keep keep it down to about 45 carbs a day and, you know, keep the carbs down and I eat some some whole grains, but I’m not really eat a lot of the grain.
01:11:01:07 – 01:11:28:02
Unknown
I’m eating some lean protein, animal protein. I’m eating lots of vegetables, no bread. I don’t eat flour products. I mean, maybe occasionally. But that’s that’s like very occasionally. And I eat nuts and seeds and I ate nut flours. You know, if we’re going to make something but try to keep the carbs down, I follow a diet that’s it’s an anti yeast antifungal diet.
01:11:28:02 – 01:12:13:21
Unknown
Basically, you’re closer to kind of a Quito version of a diet and a little bit of kind of, I’d say, paleo, you know, more more pay, a little more paleo. Now I do eat. The reason I meat occasionally is because, well, I eat it, you know, but not every day. But, you know, I, I started to learn from people that are out there talking, you know, cancer doctors that have been around a long time, like for certain, certain doctors out there like that, talk about how some cancers need meat especially the the the immune type cancers like lymphoma, like melanoma.
01:12:13:24 – 01:12:41:12
Unknown
Melanoma is kind of in between. So it can get but you know and myeloma is things like that the leukemia things like that they do better with sometimes with the little meat more than sometimes it’s like prostate cancer, breast cancer, things like that tend to do better without a lot of that. And especially got to keep the sugar low because most people are eating too much sugar in their diet and too many carbs.
01:12:41:12 – 01:13:03:19
Unknown
And but but there’s different ones. But I kind of like the philosophy of of Nicholas Gonzalez program that he had. I like that a lot. And I’ve seen a lot of people that did very well. But not saying it’s going to work for everyone, it takes a lot cause, you know, all the enzymes and everything that people have to take and everything.
01:13:03:21 – 01:13:28:17
Unknown
But my original one of my original teachers that Dr. Hazel Parcells that passed away at 106, she was one of my teachers and kind of taught me she’s the one. It got me to eating a little bit more protein and widening out a little bit because she told me after I met her I was too thin. I wasn’t gaining the weight I probably needed to gain.
01:13:28:17 – 01:14:00:01
Unknown
And she told me I needed to change my diet a little bit. But and I looked at her here was over 100, and I said, you know, she’s doing something right because she wasn’t in a wheelchair. She wasn’t in a walker. She was sharper than a 30 year old, you know, And she was unbelievable. But I thought at that point, you know, I need to take her word for it, because she had worked with a a doctor, William Donald Kelley, back.
01:14:00:03 – 01:14:34:11
Unknown
You’ve heard of him? Probably. And he was the doctor that was kind of responsible for the the Nicholas Gonzalez work. And because Gonzalez, you know, had a great track record, especially with pancreatic cancer and the pancreatic enzymes like, yeah, high dose pancreatic enzymes. Yep. Is a big and supplements was a part of that. Yeah. And there’s a doctor that Dr. Linda Isaacs that that is, you know, kind of taking up a lot of his work.
01:14:34:11 – 01:15:07:02
Unknown
She worked with him for 25 years so she kind of follows but some some people need a little more And just like with keto, I mean some people need the fat and some do better without a lot of fat. But yeah, I mean my, my philosophy on that and, and all the science I’ve reviewed over the past decade plus is like they’re the body is meant to adapt to different exposures of different foods as well as macro nutrients in the body.
01:15:07:02 – 01:15:38:01
Unknown
And we certainly need certain micronutrients ongoing. Right. Like you can’t survive for very long without vitamin C, you can’t survive very long without vitamin D, There’s certain vitamins and minerals, you know, magnesium, potassium, electrolytes. You pretty much need on a pretty regular basis if you’re going to have any energy and health at all. Right. And those right. Most of those things are, you know, vitamin D, we synthesized from the sun primarily, but most of those vitamins and minerals we get from our food.
01:15:38:03 – 01:16:16:02
Unknown
Now, there are some things we can go longer without. Like you said, B12 is one of them. There are other you know, and but there’s certain foods that we absolutely need. And we’re also very adaptable, like look at our ancestors. Why? And here’s why. I think it’s really interesting why the keto diet can work for some people short term and why most doctors who who and nutritionists health experts who recommend a keto diet when you really talk to them and interview them and look at their programs, which I’ve done a lot of, and I say, look, I really don’t think someone should be on a ketogenic diet for a long period of time, and here’s
01:16:16:02 – 01:16:35:22
Unknown
why. Every one of them I’ve talked to agrees actually, whereas most people are looking at that information, think, Oh, I’ll be on keto diet for the rest of my life. That’s the best diet forever. But the reason they agree that it’s it should be short term is because you can become nutrient deficient on a ketogenic diet. Yeah. And it’s also from my perspective, it’s a survival diet.
01:16:35:22 – 01:17:00:06
Unknown
Like when in nature thousand years ago, would we be on a ketogenic diet. Well, if you’re living near the equator, which we know human beings originated from the equator, the tropical area, you know, you have lots of natural carbohydrates around you, you know, in in abundance throughout multiple times of the year. But even the further you get away, the less and less access you have to these things.
01:17:00:06 – 01:17:20:05
Unknown
Unless you start storing and storing beans and grains, which they are meant to be stored, by the way, which is also interesting that you would run out of these foods and what what could store the easiest and what could last the longest is the high fat foods and the high protein foods, the nuts and seeds, the meats and dairies and things like that.
01:17:20:07 – 01:17:42:20
Unknown
You could store those quite easily and you can eat them and your body switches to ketosis as a survival mechanism. We can go without food for quite a while. 30 plus days. And what happens when you fast you go into ketosis and your body says, Hey, we got some extra fat from this abundant summer we had and now we can start using that fat as fuel.
01:17:43:01 – 01:18:02:01
Unknown
We store that fat as a survival mechanism because we may need fuel when we famine. And human beings have gone through feast and for as long as human beings have been on the planet until now, until recently, with grocery stores and next day shipping, where we can get food from all over the world, you know, next day delivery, right?
01:18:02:01 – 01:18:32:15
Unknown
This is the only time in human history over these past however many years, 7000 plus years, where we didn’t. And most people, you know, poor, you know, unfortunately for poverty stricken areas and nations and people are still struggling with, you know, famine every single day. But the average person in a in a more civilized or modern country that has some sense of wealth at all, they don’t experience famine ever.
01:18:32:15 – 01:18:57:06
Unknown
And in fact, we have the largest rates of obesity, the largest rates of diseases in these modern developed countries because we have access to all this food. So those kinds of diets are great to potentially utilize. In short periods of time because, yes, it can starve cancer. Yes, it can help with weight loss. Yes, it can, you know, help reduce certain diabetes markers.
01:18:57:06 – 01:19:15:10
Unknown
But the biggest question I’ve always had is are they sustainable and can you say sustain that for 20, 30, 40 years and not end up with another cancer diagnosis and not end up with diabetes and heart disease and neurological disease? And we know a lot of those diets, you can’t sustain that long and we know a lot of them are going to lead to these diseases.
01:19:15:12 – 01:19:36:02
Unknown
They’re high in saturated fat. They do lead to you know, I have friends who are athletes who lost 100 plus pounds on the ketogenic diet, changed their life. They also do exercise every day. But after, you know, a couple of years of that, they lost all their energy. They don’t have the energy anymore. And they realized, like they got to a point.
01:19:36:04 – 01:19:56:12
Unknown
It’s like, hey, I don’t have any more energy from this. So switched to a more of a higher healthy carbohydrate diet. And you know, still with, you know, moderate protein that you need. And their whole life came back, their whole energy came back. Right. So it’s not those things are not meant to be I don’t believe they’re meant to be on long term.
01:19:56:13 – 01:20:16:00
Unknown
You have to be really mindful with with what you’re doing well. And, you know, it’s like if you, you know, the diet that heals you sometimes is not the diet for life. And people have to understand that, that some of these people, like on a macrobiotic diet, for example, it’s a great diet. And it’s it just makes sense for a lot of people.
01:20:16:00 – 01:20:46:12
Unknown
But, you know, just like a vegan diet makes sense for a lot of people. And, you know, it’s on many levels. But but a lot of times I mean, some people do very well, but after a while, people start to, you know, not have the energy. Sometimes it depends on what they’re doing. And and as well, I like a little lean protein and and you know kind of seeds and nuts and I try to keep away from the high yeast foods and foods that are fermented you know healthy fermented.
01:20:46:12 – 01:21:35:03
Unknown
It’s good but you know, get away from stay away from pasteurized things. And and, you know, just, you know, kind of like there’s a diet that I kind of really think is great for people. It’s it was a diet that that Dr. Lee called use for anti-elitist and fungus and you know diet anti fungal diet. And you know cancer is thought of as for for many of these experts as is a large part of being you know, a fungus and it’s sugar and it’s like if you look at somebody’s blood under a microscope that has cancer, I mean, if you’re a certain microscope, you could see a lot of fungal and yeast and candida.
01:21:35:05 – 01:22:12:12
Unknown
Yeah. And you want to get that attracts it attracts that around it. Yeah. It’s affecting your immune system. Your immune system is exhausted. It can’t do this work. And just like, you know, intestinal parasites, you know, one of the most immunosuppressive things you can have in your body. And the reason I brought that up is because that the diet, Dr. Cowen’s diet, as I went on that one time and I want to lose a little weight and I lost £12 and I was on it for two months because he said, if you go on a diet for two months, it basically kills off the yeast and the fungus in your system on that diet, which
01:22:12:18 – 01:22:30:15
Unknown
it really does, you do feel better. You lose a little weight, but, you know, it’s like a cleanse almost. So that would be a great diet. And my view is for me, if I had to do it over again to probably start out on a diet similar to that, it’s, you know, eating a lot of red meat or anything.
01:22:30:15 – 01:22:50:22
Unknown
You’re eating some lean protein, but you’re you’re eating beans and you know, you’re eating not not you’re not eating a lot of grains, but you’re eating a lot of healthy food and you’re not eating dairy food. You’re not you know, and you’re and you’re you know, and I take a lot of supplements, so that that helps a lot.
01:22:50:22 – 01:23:26:00
Unknown
I’m a big believer in the supplements because I think there’s a lot of anti-cancer supplements and and immuno I mean immune support supplements and and just just having the energy, you know, like people that just eat the strict diet sometimes they don’t take any anything with it, sometimes run of juice a little bit and you know and there’s the factor the PR is a very important thing that I learned from my teacher, the one I was talking about that and I asked her one day, I said, What are the most important things that you’ve learned?
01:23:26:02 – 01:23:50:13
Unknown
You know, that that have supported your longevity? Because I’d never seen anybody so sharp and so healthy looking for an older person. And she said to me, she said, The age is on a cell level. It’s all ends up on the cell level because your cellular, you know, your your body fluids and everything you eat basically turns into turns into the cell energy, electromagnetic cell energy.
01:23:50:15 – 01:24:17:20
Unknown
But she says when your is balanced on that level. And then also she said that when your and your current system is balanced properly and energized properly, then the body doesn’t think. I mean, this is what she said. I’m not saying I believe it 100%, but I think it’s probably not far from the truth. But your body kind of thinks it’s a lot younger than it is, you know, because when people get older, their their endocrine system gets weak, their immune system gets a little weaker.
01:24:17:21 – 01:24:41:23
Unknown
And toxins have built up over the years. No wonder there’s so much cancer, especially with older people. And I mean, you know, one out of nearly one out of one of us is going to have cancer in a few. So, you know, some kind of cancer. But it’s like the whole thing is, is that you got to, you know, get to the root of problems and get get to the bottom of everything.
01:24:41:23 – 01:25:19:11
Unknown
And, you know, a lot of it starts according to her. And I believe that, too, is getting getting out the parasites, getting the yeast and fungus out and also getting the bad dental fillings out. That’s a big thing right there, as you know. You know, all this and and a diet needs to be clean, low on not low on sugar and very you know and and supporting your your energy overall energy and lots of vegetables and more vegetables you can get whether they’re cooked or raw are important because you know not overly cooked.
01:25:19:11 – 01:25:35:20
Unknown
But, you know, I think it’s a balance to get a little bit of everything. But, you know, in winter time, I think cooked foods are better. That’s what the macrobiotic philosophy was. Cook foods keep your body from, you know, warm or, you know, you know, when in the winter, if you eat a lot of raw salads, you get to cool.
01:25:35:22 – 01:25:58:18
Unknown
So your body’s got to work harder to stay warm because it’s cooling these foods a summer. Eat more of that because you’d want to cool down and the body needs needs its energy when you when you’re trying to create heat it’s got to work harder. Yeah so let’s let’s take a load off of it and you know and then get rid of all this junk that’s on in your system.
01:25:58:20 – 01:26:47:17
Unknown
Absolutely. You know I, I want to go back to something you said early on where you you were praying to God and is so powerful. I, I mean, I don’t want us to, too. I’ve been it’s been in the back of my mind this whole time. It’s like I wanted to come back to that because if someone hears that part of your story and doesn’t believe there’s a higher power or a god, it’s, you know, it’s so hard not because one, you know, I think many of us have had some kind of similar experience, not it not the exact same, but similar where it’s like there’s definitely some kind of higher power, God, whatever you
01:26:47:17 – 01:27:11:14
Unknown
want to call it. Right. Whatever you believe. Definitely. Well, so many of us have had similar awakenings and experiences, but I want to go back to that because there’s some there’s some underlying essences that I or commonalities in in your story as in some of my own and others who I’ve talked to, where you were, you were praying to God, but you weren’t just sitting there asking.
01:27:11:15 – 01:27:32:20
Unknown
You weren’t just like, Yeah, God, please help me this. It’s like you said you felt it with your whole body, your whole being. You were in this place of just pure, you know, receivership. Please help me. Right. It’s like I need your help. I want to live. I want to beat this. And you were. You were praying for that help and you were feeling that prayer with your whole body.
01:27:32:20 – 01:28:00:20
Unknown
You said, Yeah. Now I want people to realize, like, if you are praying or meditating or visualizing and that’s, you know, you really want something in your life for the better. That’s what it requires. It requires feeling it with your whole body, with your whole being and putting your full self into it. And the amazing thing of how literally right after you did that, you felt at peace and you said you felt like, hey, you’re supported now.
01:28:00:22 – 01:28:19:11
Unknown
You know, that’s that feeling of, hey, you’ve got this support, God’s here to support you. And then three, you know, one winery source per day for three days, you got to book on this guy who beat cancer. You got another book on high dose vitamin C, and we know how effective that is against cancer. You know, you’ve got another book, another, you know, support.
01:28:19:11 – 01:28:42:24
Unknown
The next day you went to some of the chemo that basically destroyed you and you said, Hey, that’s it, I’m going all in. Yeah. This natural approach, you know, that’s as much as we give credit to the diet and the lifestyle changes and all the things and as much credit to you for doing it and following it, it’s like think about how much credit is coming from that higher power or credit going towards that higher power going towards God for helping you, right?
01:28:43:04 – 01:29:07:19
Unknown
Yeah, because you asked for it. That’s you ask and you know, and you don’t believe in God or some kind of higher power. It’s hard for me not to. Yeah. And you, you know, it’s like you feel like every cell in your body is praying and asking and desperate. It’s a desperation type prayer. But but it you know, you you hear so many people praying.
01:29:07:21 – 01:29:32:16
Unknown
And, you know, if you go to church, if you don’t go to church or you just hear someone praying, a lot of times are just kind of, you know, people saying saying things, you know, and it sounds good and all that. But there’s no real heart, deep heart desperation in those prayers. Now, I don’t know. I never had I never had a prayer that and I wasn’t a guy that prayed much.
01:29:32:18 – 01:30:01:02
Unknown
You know, I’d been to church and you hear these guys with these fancy prayers and you know, that that sound like they’re rehearsed and everything. But, you know, how how can you explain when things start to happen? You know, it’s it’s a higher power. It’s your gut intuition. It’s connected to the higher power. It’s whatever it is. You know, it’s just you learn to listen to yourself more after something like this happens.
01:30:01:02 – 01:30:23:06
Unknown
And. Yeah, and if it doesn’t feel right, you think about it and you maybe don’t do it. It just because maybe it doesn’t feel right for me and might feel right for someone else. It’s just like, but it was quite something, you know, And I feels like it was yesterday. But, you know, it’s been 37, not 37 over 35 years ago since that happened.
01:30:23:08 – 01:30:42:18
Unknown
But, you know, it’s just it’s I think if people really want to find the answers, they’ll find an answer. And I always tell people, no matter what kind of diet, no matter no matter what kind of, you know, system, they want to follow or they don’t want to go see a doctor if they have the money, if they don’t have the money, if it’s something.
01:30:42:18 – 01:31:08:12
Unknown
I’m talking more natural oriented direction, but it’s whatever it is, you know, pray about it, meditate about it, go off. I went off to make decisions. After that, I would go go somewhere that I thought was a special place to spend a couple of days and just and just sort of in a calm environment. Just think about things.
01:31:08:12 – 01:31:27:12
Unknown
And, you know, I was cooking my food while I was there. I would get to a place, a cabin or, you know, one of these motels where you can cook in in there and hang out there for a little bit. And I’d try to make a decision, what do I need to do? And I would come up with this decision and I would go do it, you know, And I didn’t want anybody to talk me into it.
01:31:27:12 – 01:31:53:08
Unknown
I had to figure it out for myself. But I guess what I always like to say to people is that you don’t have to be talked into something. You’ll know if you if you if you spend a little alone time and listen to your gut feeling, your intuition, whatever you want to call it, you’ll make the right and nobody can force you to do it or talk you in to do that.
01:31:53:10 – 01:32:20:00
Unknown
If that’s the if someone has to talk you into doing something, then it’s probably not going to be the right thing for you. It’s kind of like when you go to a store and you see something that you like and and instantly gets your attention. That’s probably something that you end up buying and you’ll like it, you know, not always, but but the diet thing or the lifestyle program or whatever you do, you know, all you can decide.
01:32:20:00 – 01:32:45:04
Unknown
And sometimes, like people have to go and go off by themselves for a while and get their self on track. But yeah, you know, because the families are are are, are support people are or maybe negative but what they’re wanting to do and and they want them to do conventional medicine or they want them to do this or that and it’s like what do you want to do what’s what’s right for you?
01:32:45:06 – 01:33:05:18
Unknown
And I always like to say, if it’ll help all these other people, then there’s a good chance it’ll help you. But you got to roll up your sleeve, you got to do the work. It’s easy to have a plan. Lay it all out. You know diet detox, program, supplementation program, you know, a program that maybe a lot of people deal with, a lot of emotional stuff.
01:33:05:20 – 01:33:26:02
Unknown
A lot of people deal with, you know, things that are that from the past that has affected them. Maybe they had a lot of trauma in their life that’s affected their immune system, you know, So you got to work on all those things. But but only you can figure out what’s best for you. And, you know, it’s for me to tell somebody to do.
01:33:26:04 – 01:33:41:22
Unknown
Like in my book, I tell people what I do and what I would do if I had to do it over again, because I you know, you learn a lot like you’ve learned a lot in the last ten, 15 years or whatever, and you learn a lot. And you probably when when I started, I didn’t know anything. Right.
01:33:41:24 – 01:34:18:17
Unknown
But you learn and you know, you talk to people, other experts, and they tell you this is what they do and they’re getting good results with this. And and but, but a lot of tried and true things that are not new things work better as good as they ever, you know, like the vitamin C and and a lot of the other things that people do, you know, with you know, just just building up your your gut health and building up your immune system and detoxify and get rid of the the real underlying problems that are affecting your immunity.
01:34:18:19 – 01:35:04:13
Unknown
Like we’ve talked about, you know, from my view, the deep seeded things that things have built up over time, the the toxins the the glyphosate, the you know, the the clean up your house, clean up your, your environment, get get rid of, you know, everything that’s not organic in your house and and start drinking healthy clean, pure water and sleep 8 hours at night and and you know your body has to regenerate and you need it needs good sleep and if you’re if you’re not doing that and you know, if your exercise is important, but sometimes people try to do too much and then especially if they’re going through something and, you know, it only
01:35:04:13 – 01:35:31:16
Unknown
takes 30 minutes to fully activate your your lymphatic system, which is so important just for a nice, nice walk, you know, And sometimes people are not they’re not that healthy and they’re trying to do too much, too quick and they burn themselves out. So you got to be careful and you got to, you know, be kind to yourself and and sleep and and and it helps to be around like minded people.
01:35:31:16 – 01:35:51:14
Unknown
If you can find them that people that that you can, you know, talk to sometimes and and not be steered off. It’s hard to be around people that that that are unconscious I guess you know when it comes to health and hang out with those kind of people you’ll end up getting pulled all down the wrong the wrong path.
01:35:51:19 – 01:36:17:10
Unknown
You know, it’s easy. So. Yeah. Well, James, thank you so much for sharing all that. Thanks for taking the time and sharing your stories. Great to get to know you more and learn about you and your life. So that’s really fascinating. I mean, you’re you’re a living inspiration for so many people. So thank you. Thanks for taking the time researching one thing And how can yeah, just how can people find more?
01:36:17:12 – 01:36:41:08
Unknown
Obviously, your book is a great resource for people. And yes, you know, I used to have cancer. I think it’s on your website, right? It was the best edition of the book. What’s the best place for people to get in touch with you? And well, you can get a hold me at Templeton Wellness dot com. That’s my foundation and that’s my way of giving back.
01:36:41:10 – 01:37:13:12
Unknown
I interview people, I interview doctors, people that you know, that I think are are some of the best out there and like you do Nathan and I also interview survivors and I also have what I wanted to say is I have a restaurant guide Templeton list dot com Templeton list is a list of the healthiest organic farm to table restaurants in America.
01:37:13:14 – 01:37:46:24
Unknown
And it’s easy to get on that list and follow it. It works off Google Maps. It’s it’s works pretty well. There’s restaurants in your area. They’re not all perfect, but some of them are better than others. But they are the best the ones we’ve found. And we continue to look for these restaurants. We’ve got over 5000 restaurants on there, and it’s just something that for years I travel and I want to eat healthy and I wanted to find the healthiest places and not have to drive an hour and a half to get to them.
01:37:47:01 – 01:38:02:21
Unknown
So, you know, these are these are better still got to know what you can eat or not eat. And if you’re going through cancer, I always like to say eat at home as much as possible because you can only control what you put in your body. And but it’s good to get out sometimes and it’s good to have a place to go.
01:38:02:21 – 01:38:33:06
Unknown
And I, I go to about three or four places and that’s it in this town where I live in this area, because the restaurants are my list and I know they use organic or farm to table and they use good oils and you know, whether it whatever it is and if that’s something you you can eat and they have options for whether you’re vegetarian, whether you want some some organic chicken or turkey or whatever you want, you know, they’ve got it and fish, you know, is this an app?
01:38:33:06 – 01:38:50:17
Unknown
Do you have this as an app? It’s not an app, but it’s it’s a site. We want to do an app. We’re kind of tossing that around. But it works really well, though. I’ve been I’m looking at I’m looking at it right now. I’m looking at Jacksonville where I live, and there’s some of these restaurants know about some of these I’ve never heard of.
01:38:50:17 – 01:39:15:21
Unknown
So I’m going to look at them. I use an app. It’s called Happy Cow. It’s a it’s a plant based app. So it’s got a logo and it’s also shows like are they organic? Do they have this that? Do they have, you know, meat options or this or. Yeah it’s been a great having the app. I’ll tell you what it’s been amazing especially for traveling when we travel going through a town or city and it’s like through most pop up the app, it shows the location.
01:39:15:21 – 01:39:34:14
Unknown
It’s got all the details like it is so, so handy. But yeah, I’m just on the website this are talking looking at it now and it is so it’s just I love Thai food by. The problem is a lot of Thai food restaurants is they use a lot of terrible ingredients. I’ll have them bring out and be like, what are the sauces you’re using?
01:39:34:14 – 01:40:00:24
Unknown
And I’ll read the backs of the sauces and stuff like that. And a lot of it’s just filled with junk. And so there’s a there’s a Thai restaurant on here near me that I’ll have to check out that. Yeah. And again, I haven’t been to. But again, it’s like, you know, some of these restaurants, Thai restaurants for example, use of organic and they’re not using MSG and some of them they do and a lot of them have sugar, natural sugars in coconut milk anyway.
01:40:00:24 – 01:40:22:21
Unknown
So you know, Thai might not be the best place for people that are trying to be on a strict diet. But but there’s there’s places there. I mean, there’s there’s true food is pretty good. You still got to know what you can eat and you got to ask questions know. But, you know, compared to a lot of restaurants are just good food.
01:40:22:21 – 01:40:49:19
Unknown
But they’re expensive restaurants. But they’re they’re not conscious, you know, at all. I mean, they’re using and again, will be fine. I mean, we probably go through them. We bet we vet these places, but sometimes, you know, you got to ask your own questions because they they’ll tell you all kinds of things. So I’ve got a guy that lives in Saint Augustine, Florida, near you that does all my calling and vetting and talking to the chefs.
01:40:49:21 – 01:41:15:14
Unknown
And it’s funny how, you know, it’s it’s you live close to them and they go to Jacksonville eat sometimes. So yeah, it’s not that far. No, this is a great resource. I’m going to I’m you know, we’re looking for good, healthy restaurants. We can do that once in a while. We, you know, we eat at home, you know, nine 99% of the time, once a week, once every couple of weeks.
01:41:15:14 – 01:41:31:20
Unknown
We like to eat out at a restaurant, but it’s hard it’s hard to find a good, healthy restaurant. So it’s one of the reasons we do that. But this is cool. I’m gonna check out more of these. So thank you for that. Yeah. Yeah. And again, thank you. And thank you for taking. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it.
01:41:31:22 – 01:41:40:10
Unknown
And appreciate you. And I love what you’re doing to. Thank you so much. Take care, James. All right. Thank you. Yeah.