In today’s video, we sit down with Dr. Christine Schaffner. Dr. Christine Schaffner is a board-certified Naturopathic Doctor who has helped thousands of people recover from chronic or complex illnesses. Through online summits, her Spectrum of Health podcast, a network of Immanence Health clinics, and renowned online programs, Dr. Schaffner goes beyond biological medicine, pulling from all systems of medicine and healing modalities–helping patients reclaim their wellness and reveal their brightest light.
Dr. Schaffner completed her undergraduate studies in Pre-medicine and Psychology at the University of Virginia in Charlottesville and went on to earn her Doctorate at Bastyr University.
With her diverse skill set, Dr. Schaffner seeks to improve access, outcomes, and speed of recovery for patients struggling with chronic, complex, and mystery illnesses. Patients travel from all around the world to reclaim their wellness using her EECO methodology.
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Audio Transcript
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00:00:37:23 – 00:00:45:14
Nathan Crane
Welcome, everybody. I’m super excited for this episode. Dr. Christine Schaffner, welcome. Thanks for being here.
00:00:46:02 – 00:00:48:20
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Oh, thank you so much for having me. It’s always so fun to connect.
00:00:49:13 – 00:00:54:21
Nathan Crane
So remind me again, how long have you had a physical clinical practice?
00:00:55:16 – 00:01:17:17
Dr. Christine Schaffner
I’ve been practicing in person for 13 years, so on. And in this configuration, my clinic is called eminence health. Eminence actually means the divine within. And it’s a name that I just came to meditation. I had no idea what it meant. And then I looked it up and it was pretty spot on for the energy I’m trying to cultivate here.
00:01:17:17 – 00:01:25:08
Dr. Christine Schaffner
But in 2020 I came out on my own and I have a practice in Seattle and we do a lot of telemedicine as well.
00:01:26:08 – 00:01:40:11
Nathan Crane
So I’m curious, so kind of pre-COVID, right? So what were like what what were the majority of conditions that you saw coming into your practice?
00:01:40:23 – 00:01:44:02
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Yeah, I know it’s sort of funny to think about pre-COVID.
00:01:44:03 – 00:01:57:23
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s crazy, right? It’s kind of like pre-COVID post-COVID, like I know. And people are people don’t think we’re post COVID yet either. And there’s more COVID and COVID just keeps going on forever. So it’s kind of a it’s kind of a crazy.
00:01:58:11 – 00:01:59:16
Dr. Christine Schaffner
I know, I know we.
00:01:59:16 – 00:02:00:09
Nathan Crane
Live in, but.
00:02:01:12 – 00:02:22:17
Dr. Christine Schaffner
2019, the golden years. But, you know, before COVID, you know, we were worried. You know, we were kind of, you know, we knew a lot was going on, you know, and people were sick. Yeah. You know, it’s just we we’ve seen everything. You know, I don’t treat cancer per se, but patients do come and they end up having cancer.
00:02:22:17 – 00:02:46:13
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And I have a team that I refer to we call manage and everything. But, you know, I’m really kind of that doctor that sees people who’ve gone to like 54 doctors. One patient had 54 doctors. I was so just honored and amazed. That’s what I go through. But usually a dozen people go that dozen doctors and then kind of find their way to us and because.
00:02:46:13 – 00:03:00:18
Nathan Crane
They don’t, they’re not finding the root cause of what’s going on. So they’re just digging deeper and deeper and end up finding you guys, which for people don’t know you’re a naturopathic doctor, but you focus on whole whole body, mind, emotions, spiritual health.
00:03:01:04 – 00:03:37:17
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So we look at all the layers, not only physical, but, you know, like those. But the diagnosis is people come in, Oh, I have fibromyalgia or chronic fatigue. Maybe this is amaz, you know, I have a lot of things and I feel like I’m dying all the time. And I go to the ER and nothing’s wrong or my labs are like everyone, you know, I go to the Mayo Clinic and everyone says I’m normal and maybe gives me Prozac, you know, like all those kind of where these illnesses haven’t had the proper language, you know, or framework or infrastructure to really understand.
00:03:38:01 – 00:04:03:05
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And they definitely fall through the cracks when you are trying to like pigeon hole them in a conventional model, many people, you know, they might be like open minded kind of, but they become more and more open minded and they seek, you know, a natural path. A doctor who’s going to do all these other things because, I mean, obviously we all desire to live vibrantly healthy lives, right?
00:04:03:05 – 00:04:15:12
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And to be in connection with our purpose. And when you’re out of life because you can’t even get through your day like, you know, you don’t stop searching.
00:04:16:13 – 00:04:32:16
Nathan Crane
Yeah, exactly. So, yeah. How did you see a big shift in conditions and health status, pre-COVID versus COVID versus kind of what we might call post-COVID? Now?
00:04:33:20 – 00:05:21:09
Dr. Christine Schaffner
You know, it’s interesting. I feel like I’ve been wildly well equipped for the condition called post-COVID, because what we’ve been really treating for, you know, again, I’m only doing this 13 years, but I stand on, you know, pioneers and giants who’ve been ahead of the curve for, you know, really, I would say 67 years, you know, 1960s and seventies, where, you know, these really chronic conditions really started to emerge more and more and then skyrocketed really in the nineties, you know, And so I’m standing on the, you know, all these people trying to figure things out and, you know, really developing these models of, you know, post infectious or persistent infectious syndromes.
00:05:21:09 – 00:05:50:05
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And that’s where they’re not, you know, we don’t have the language in conventional medical terminology to, you know, to label and diagnose and treat. And so, you know, post COVID is very familiar. You know, you get an infection that really unmasks everything that you didn’t know it was there. And, you know, you have to, you know, kind of you know, kind of re put your body back and hopefully transform in the process.
00:05:50:05 – 00:06:25:06
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So so I it’s a weird you know, I have like what I see is we’ve been ready for you know, we’ve been ready for what this post-COVID issue is. You know, we have already been dealing with that framework, that understanding, that treatment approach. That’s very much what I’ve been doing. The acute COVID, we did get really great results and I empowered a lot of my patients with a lot of other things that were controversial at the time but are coming out to be quite helpful, you know, and hopefully recognize it by some.
00:06:25:06 – 00:06:47:18
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So I was a resource for my patients at that time. But there are, you know, my patients tend to be the canaries, you know. Nathan And I mean, I talk to somebody yesterday who had COVID five times, you know, like every variant and getting like whacked, you know, and, you know, she’s on top of having like multiple amounts of chronic Lyme disease and, you know, these things.
00:06:47:18 – 00:07:14:17
Dr. Christine Schaffner
She, you know, COVID comes around and it’s this whole one one, you know, infection that we can label meats, other infections we could probably put a label on. And what happens to the body? I mean, that’s that’s a lot of them. But what my work is so it’s just been interesting and, you know, it’s forced me to just stay on the edge and keep learning.
00:07:14:17 – 00:07:18:17
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And my patients teach me. I mean, they teach me really quickly what works and what doesn’t.
00:07:19:01 – 00:07:20:15
Speaker 4
You know? Yeah.
00:07:21:07 – 00:07:47:16
Nathan Crane
Well, and so, I mean, you’re speaking to the fact that at least what I what I hear you saying is, you know, you’ve been helping people, dealing with, you know, chronic underlying health conditions all this time. And, you know, those chronic underlying health conditions are generally all like ICM, all branches from the same tree, right. Where, you know, there’s metabolic dysfunction.
00:07:47:16 – 00:08:32:10
Nathan Crane
Generally there’s overweight or obesity. Generally there is, you know, very poor diet stress, you know, heavy metals in the blood toxins, chemicals, you know, in decades of this. Right. Decades of this in people’s lives. And how it manifests in the physiology is cancer, diabetes, heart disease and all these other kinds of, you know, plus autoimmune diseases you were just referencing a minute ago, whether it’s, you know, hypothyroidism or or, you know, even gut health issues or chronic fatigue or Lyme disease or all these things, that people are all kinds of different diseases.
00:08:32:10 – 00:09:02:12
Nathan Crane
People are experiencing today that are really, you know, metabolically related diseases that are that that impact the body due to underlying conditions that allow those diseases to manifest a weakened immune system, you know, a poor drainage of lymphatic system. You know, if we get into energy medicine, discussion, blocked energy channels within the body, which is really fascinating to dive into and I’d like to talk about that with you as well.
00:09:02:12 – 00:09:34:04
Nathan Crane
And that takes you deeper into biological medicine and biological energetics and so forth. But, you know, they they show up in people in different ways and often in three or four or five different chronic health conditions, which is what we saw with COVID. Right. The highest percentage of people who were hospitalized and the highest percentage of people who died, who unfortunately died from COVID had two, three, even for chronic or co-morbidities, is how they label them.
00:09:34:04 – 00:10:04:02
Nathan Crane
Right. Chronic health conditions. And if you had one or less your risk, I believe according to the CDC, your risk of even being hospitalized with COVID, if you had, I think, less than one co-morbidity or you weren’t obese, it was less than 13%. Correct me if I’m wrong, and if you had 1 to 4 comorbidities, that percentage went up massively and still goes up massively to, you know, 70%, 80%, 90%.
00:10:05:07 – 00:10:15:00
Nathan Crane
So is that we were talking about when you’re saying you feel like you’ve been well prepared for COVID and you’ve been addressing these underlying conditions that people have been experiencing for decades?
00:10:15:12 – 00:10:48:04
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think that’s a really good summary, but I’m ultimately, you know, I’ve studied naturopathic medicine and also bio regulatory medicine, and we’re terrain people. You know, we’re not about, you know, we’re about it. It’s a very empowering viewpoint of the body. Right. And even Louis Pasteur, the father of germ theory, is said to say in this deathbed, right, the terrain is everything, meaning that it’s not about the infection that one encounters for the rather the microbe one encounters.
00:10:48:04 – 00:11:13:02
Dr. Christine Schaffner
It’s the microbe interaction with the environment of the host that, you know, determines whether there is, you know, pathology or, you know, people you know, respond, adapt and build resilience, you know, so and that. But, you know, I still very much, you know, my patients have taught me that terrain theory is, you know, something to hang your hat on.
00:11:13:02 – 00:11:45:09
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And, you know, again, it is an empowering way to look at, you know, our lives. You know, there’s so much data we can kind of turn and then to and nurture it out on or tune into a nerd out on. You know, we have this, you know, epigenetic expression that we’re totally in control over at the end of the day between our environment that we continue to cultivate and our emotional health that we tend to, you know, you know, deal with and our trauma and, you know, all of that.
00:11:45:17 – 00:11:58:11
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And then, you know, as I mentioned, nutrition and it’s very hard to be healthy in America. You know, you just have to kind of I mean, I’m I’m a little jaded and biased, but, you know, we’re just chronically being poisoned. Right.
00:11:58:11 – 00:12:03:01
Nathan Crane
And even if you have to be fully committed and committed.
00:12:03:17 – 00:12:26:07
Dr. Christine Schaffner
But even if you do everything right, like look at what just happened in the last week and the trains, you know, like Ohio, all that polyvinyl chloride just leaked out. And, you know, that’s going to have consequences for generations. You know, And, you know, it’s shocking to me that we’re not you know, we’re not all, you know, trying to help or using all of our tools or trying to bring awareness to the.
00:12:26:07 – 00:12:38:23
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So that’s you know, I’m not I’m not I’m not a pessimist. I’m very much an optimist. But I just I want people to just understand that the weight that we’re up against right now.
00:12:39:01 – 00:13:08:10
Nathan Crane
Yeah. I mean, what’s shocking to me about the the train spill and the chemicals and the they they say, oh, yeah, let’s just burn them. It’ll be fine. There’s no problem with that. Right? And let’s just just burn all this toxic chemicals and everybody will be fine. What’s shocking to me is how many people still believe the health regulatory agencies and the local governments that say, Oh yeah, you’ll be fine, go back to your homes.
00:13:08:10 – 00:13:33:07
Nathan Crane
You don’t need to evacuate. Like I get it. We want to trust our government. We want to trust the people that are in power. We want to trust that they have our best interests in mind. We want to trust that the health agencies care about us. But at the end of the day, what I’ve come to see in my own life is that they, you know, it’s all about the bottom dollar for them and it’s about getting reelected.
00:13:33:07 – 00:13:58:03
Nathan Crane
And it’s about, you know, cleaning things up quickly and really taking care of their donors versus their constituents. And, you know, and so that always gets in the way of asking really simple questions like, hey, should we actually burn it? What happens if we burn this? What’s going to happen over the next week, two weeks, year, ten years?
00:13:58:03 – 00:14:20:04
Nathan Crane
Right. What are the consequences of us burning us? They don’t really ask those questions or what is the consequences to the people who live within five miles or ten miles? They’ll be fine. They don’t need to know. They don’t need to worry. And then you see reports of people’s animals that are a mile away. The next morning all their animals are dead just from the burning.
00:14:20:04 – 00:14:39:19
Nathan Crane
Right. And they’re like, my my, here’s the video camera on my house showing my animals healthy and alive. That night they started burning and next day they’re all dead laying there. They haven’t been attacked by anything, you know, And the and the agencies are telling people, stay in your home, you’re fine. You don’t need to evacuate. You can if you want to.
00:14:39:19 – 00:14:51:03
Nathan Crane
We don’t need to. It’s like one it sucks because we’re supposed to be able to trust these people in power. But to at the end of the day, you really can’t. Kenya. I mean, I can’t.
00:14:52:00 – 00:15:16:02
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Yeah, I definitely questioned more and more and I you know, I love our country. I think there’s so many amazing people and qualities and, you know, even going through COVID and all of us having very like minded ideas, you know, who are listening to this and you and I around what should have happened or could have happened or what didn’t happen.
00:15:16:09 – 00:15:45:22
Dr. Christine Schaffner
You know, we still are like in one of the most freely expressive, you know, countries, Right? You know, now you know, you kind of saw her our kind of, you know, neighbors dealing with this very differently, you know. And so I just want to from that perspective. But I agree, like Capitol is and we’re at this kind of era of capitalism, you know, where everyone’s kind of lobbied and bought off and cover your butt and who doesn’t want to get sued?
00:15:45:22 – 00:16:16:13
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And, you know, just not thinking like generationally, not thinking like beyond maybe there maybe these people who are making these decisions are looking at their family as well, but not looking at, you know, generational while a wealth and health, you know, for the larger group of people because this is I mean, these decisions that we’re making, like the ones that you just shared, I mean that’s the literally is going to affect generations of individuals health.
00:16:16:23 – 00:16:37:01
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And if it and if it’s you know, nobody wants to pay that bill, like let’s just be honest. That’s that’s really it’s human nature. You know, like those people were like maybe burn out and people will forget. And then, you know, we won’t have a huge lawsuit to pay for the medical bills for, you know, all these people or the relocation, you know, for all these people.
00:16:37:01 – 00:16:39:15
Dr. Christine Schaffner
But everybody there should move. I mean, they need to move.
00:16:39:22 – 00:16:58:22
Nathan Crane
Right? Right. Which is like impossible for most people in that situation. They don’t have the money, the job, the you know, it’s like there’s so many I don’t want to say impossible. Everything is possible, but very, very, very challenging. Right. Just for most people just to get up and move out. Maybe they’ve been there for generations. Maybe they’ve been there for for decades.
00:16:58:22 – 00:17:32:20
Nathan Crane
And then, you know, that happens like, yeah, you should move out of there because the long term health consequences are probably going to be pretty severe. But, you know, is that a realistic solution for most people who live there? And the answer is probably not. So it’s a really sad situation. And what’s even more crazy is how, you know, these companies are hauling these kinds of chemicals, cross country on ships and boats and trains and planes and, you know, all the different ways that chemicals get distributed from one place to the next.
00:17:33:04 – 00:17:51:14
Nathan Crane
And they don’t have a plan in place, a clear, safe plan in place. It goes, hey, what if this train tips over and these chemical spill all over the place? What do we do right now unless their plan was, well, if they smell, we just burn them. Like what a stupid plan that was. If that was their plan.
00:17:51:14 – 00:17:56:20
Nathan Crane
But I don’t think that was their plan. I don’t think they probably ever really thought through that long now.
00:17:57:08 – 00:18:31:11
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And you know, that that’s kind of going back to the train idea. Right. And you know why I think people are so today, you know, the biochem you accumulate in antioxidants over, you know, a lifetime. And really, none of us are starting at zero. As we know, there’s a huge transfer of toxicants, you know, from birth. Right. And then, you know, you just you know, we we live these beautiful lives, but we have to be really aware and and go against the grain to not be poisoned.
00:18:31:11 – 00:19:09:16
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And even even with that, we still, you know, are just on planet Earth. And we have to just, you know, understand that and and not to jump like hugely ahead, but I really have been studying like the power of, you know, meditation and, you know, intention and group healing and biophysics. And I think the answers are going to lie there for these times because, you know, not I’ve been studying yoga Spence’s work and going to his meditations, and he says something really fascinating that I have sat with ever since I heard it.
00:19:09:16 – 00:19:40:12
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And I think it’s appropriate for here, he says. To change the matter with matter takes time. But when you change the field, you can change matter. Yeah, and I think we have to really lean into what the heck that means and really study like how we’re wired in that way to overcome, you know, what we’re up against. Because, I mean, I really I know how to detox people and I do a really good job of that and I share know detoxification is a lifestyle and it’s not a marathon, it’s not a sprint.
00:19:40:12 – 00:20:10:05
Dr. Christine Schaffner
It’s definitely a marathon. And we’re getting better and better tools. But it’s it’s shocking, you know, like it is shocking what the human body let me just say the mover is that it’s inspiring and amazing how resilient the human body is in the face of, you know, just, you know, these these the synergistic toxic soup. We don’t even know the half of how it affects us yet.
00:20:10:23 – 00:20:40:17
Nathan Crane
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00:20:40:17 – 00:21:02:00
Nathan Crane
I’m just giving to you for free. You can go download it at becoming cancer free dot com. All right, let’s get back to the show. Yeah that’s it is amazing what the human body can can withstand. I mean, think about decades of smoking cigarets and drinking alcohol and taking poisons in and and some people live that way and never even get cancer.
00:21:02:10 – 00:21:44:10
Nathan Crane
And some people smoke and drink and eat poorly for five or ten years. And stage four metastases deliver and to the bones. And it’s like and they’re gone at 45 years old, right? So it is very interesting. And when you really start to it’s amazing at how resilient the body is. I got to experience it firsthand, you know, as a teenager, poisoning my body every single day with drugs and alcohol and cigarets and stress and no sleep and pharmaceuticals and antibiotics and you name it, you know, fast food to the point where at 18 I was almost dead.
00:21:44:22 – 00:22:22:17
Nathan Crane
But just the fact that my body made it through that from basically starting as early as age nine, I was smoking cigarets and experimenting and by age 12, drinking hard alcohol and doing hard drugs by 15 and, you know, and and by 18, like just the fact that I made it to 18 was a miracle. And when I decided to change my life and started meditating and exercise rising and eating healthier and, you know, green vegetable juicing and cleansing and changed my diet and all these things, it was also amazing at how quick the body can repair itself.
00:22:23:10 – 00:22:44:19
Nathan Crane
Of course, I was younger, you know, but we see that in 50 year olds and six year olds as well, right? With the cancer patients that we work with, a lot of the patients that you work with, even 70 year olds, you know, we’ve seen complete cancer reversal through diet and lifestyle change and parasympathetic nervous system activation, meditation, qigong, you know, energy, medicine.
00:22:44:19 – 00:23:08:07
Nathan Crane
The body is incredible and resilient even when exposed to so many of these manmade chemicals and toxins. But it’s not a guarantee for everybody, You know, and that’s the problem I see with our younger generation, certainly my generation. I don’t I don’t know our age difference. But it you you look my age. But I think you’re I think you’re a bit older than me.
00:23:09:15 – 00:23:13:02
Speaker 4
Oh, oh.
00:23:14:11 – 00:23:38:04
Nathan Crane
Just because I know you’re you know, how long you been in practice in middle school and all kind of stuff. Yeah, but, but anyway, our, even our generations, but certainly my generation is a wait until the problem exists before waiting to do something about it. Oh, you have a cancer diagnosis or you have a diabetes diagnosis. Oh, you have, you know, heart disease, You have this and it’s like, Oh, now I need to do something about this.
00:23:38:04 – 00:24:15:06
Nathan Crane
Well, in some cases and I hate to say this, but in some cases it might be too late, you know, to to actually fully reverse that condition. Or I believe it’s possible for everybody, but not everybody does it. So that’s why I know that it can be too late. And so why wait until the diagnosis when you can start living this way now, which gives you more energy and more vitality and you feel better and you, you know, you think better and you sleep better and you have your life is so much better with less disease and less sickness and less pain, because those choices we live now, and that’s we say the word prevention,
00:24:15:06 – 00:24:44:16
Nathan Crane
but nobody likes prevention. You know, that’s the problem. Prevention doesn’t sell. People don’t buy master classes on prevention. They don’t buy supplements on prevention. You know, they want biohacking. They want, you know, reverse this issue. They want, you know, and so that’s kind of like the challenge of the psychology of our culture that I found. Whereas I think you go to some other cultures and it’s just a way of life all the way down to the, you know, parents, to the children.
00:24:44:16 – 00:24:52:05
Nathan Crane
It’s like we eat this way and live this way because this is the right thing to do, you know, because we feel good and it’s healthy for us.
00:24:52:19 – 00:24:58:17
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Yeah, yeah, I know you have how many kids to.
00:24:58:23 – 00:24:59:19
Nathan Crane
Two kids. Yeah.
00:25:00:15 – 00:25:16:08
Dr. Christine Schaffner
I have a daughter as well. And it’s just amazing to see, you know, the kids these days, right? You know, And I mean, kids are amazing, right? They’re full of love and joy. And yes, they have their moments of being a total kid.
00:25:17:01 – 00:25:22:22
Nathan Crane
But is that your total career? Total, total assets?
00:25:22:22 – 00:25:23:04
Speaker 4
I don’t.
00:25:23:16 – 00:25:25:10
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Know. Like, wow, where did that come from?
00:25:27:04 – 00:25:33:14
Nathan Crane
I was in total shit growing up. So. So, you know, I’ve got some karma. I’ve got some karma coming with my little one.
00:25:34:20 – 00:25:35:07
Speaker 4
Now.
00:25:35:07 – 00:25:59:10
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Well, you’ll write your way, right? So. But you know, why would you say that? Is that, you know, the kids are getting sick really young, right? And it’s they’re getting sicker and sicker and there’s more chronic diseases in children. So I just see my little girls, you know, friends. And she is like a vitality to her. And she just, you know, you know, I do my best with her.
00:25:59:10 – 00:26:27:03
Dr. Christine Schaffner
But there is a, you know, a force within her that you can see like a sparkle in her eye. And you know why I just say that here is like, how do we how do we raise a new generation of kids that are really going to be, you know, they learn how their bodies to really work, that they really you know, they they still experiment and do their kid thing.
00:26:27:03 – 00:26:57:15
Dr. Christine Schaffner
But they you know, they’re not so self-destructive. They also we have a place in our culture to really, you know, like like really honor health, you know, in that, you know, I think some traditions like European cultures with, you know, the sauna kind of, you know, lifestyle. And that ritual is probably the the the easiest way to kind of think of how that gets integrated into health pretty quickly or into lifestyle pretty quickly.
00:26:57:15 – 00:27:25:05
Dr. Christine Schaffner
But I you know, I, I just I try to share with my daughter how her body works and, you know, also, you know, she sees me meditate, too. And, you know, I’m far from perfect. Please. But, you know, it’s just I was when you brought that up, I’m just like the children, you know, we have to get in, you know, to the you know, to the schools and to the children, because the trajectory the children are on is, you know, their life span is going to be lower than ours.
00:27:25:23 – 00:27:34:03
Nathan Crane
Well, my kid, well, my kid’s school just send us an email about a fundraiser. And the fundraiser is to buy Chick-Fil-A.
00:27:34:03 – 00:27:34:20
Dr. Christine Schaffner
No.
00:27:35:00 – 00:28:04:13
Nathan Crane
And I’m like, are you kidding me? Like, this is a fundraiser, like buying poison food? Like, seriously, You know, that’s the problem with with the school system is there is no real health education at the school level. Now, there are some special private schools that you can, you know, find that you put more focus on health. But the general public school, even we’re in it, they’re in a charter school, even charter schools, it’s like there’s very little focus on real health.
00:28:04:13 – 00:28:26:20
Nathan Crane
And that’s you know, that’s a serious concern, at least with food. You know, the you know, my kids. My kids do, you know, they’re very active at school with P.E. every day. So I love that. And, you know, we packed our lunches every day. They don’t eat the school lunches, but the school lunches are terrible. You know, there was a study that was done years ago.
00:28:27:13 – 00:29:00:23
Nathan Crane
I remember this because when I was researching this for for diet and for schools and I was researching organic and I saw the there was a school that all they did was change the food to organic and within like such a short time. And so they kept track all of the absences the lates the you know late to class, the absences the sickness absences from sickness the the scores on tests, the the it was a I think it was a middle school.
00:29:00:23 – 00:29:14:12
Nathan Crane
I’m not sure it was a high school, middle school or high school. So they had, you know, standardized testing. So they looked at all those test numbers and then they did organic and it was something like, I have to go back and find this study. I don’t remember the exact length of it, but it sounds like six months was a pretty short time period.
00:29:14:12 – 00:29:42:21
Nathan Crane
Might have been a year, but seem like pretty short time period. And literally just all they did changed organic and they watched all of the absences, significantly reduced all of the sicknesses, significantly reduced the fights, significantly reduced the amount of depression of kids going into the counselors room, reduced the amount of, again, sick days for teachers and kids, and all of their test scores went up across the board.
00:29:43:14 – 00:30:07:03
Nathan Crane
And it’s as simple as something of like, hey, let’s give these kids some healthy food. You know, a pretty simple thing that we could do on your on your point of like, how do we take care of kids? I think it’s it’s live by example, right? Like you’re talking about your daughter sees you meditate. It’s the same thing every time I take a sauna, I invite my kids in, even if they only come in for a couple minutes.
00:30:07:03 – 00:30:24:06
Nathan Crane
But I talk to them about the benefits of sweating and about, you know, toxins coming out through the sweat and how it helps improve your immune system. And, you know, and then they see me, you know, going from in from a sauna into an ice bath. And what is this? What are you doing? And so I explain it to them when I do it.
00:30:24:06 – 00:30:41:22
Nathan Crane
And when we’re eating, it’s like I’m talking about why we eat organic and, you know, we don’t want chemicals in our body and so and they don’t see me smoking. They don’t see me drinking alcohol. They don’t see me eating Chick-Fil-A. They don’t see me eating fast food. Why? Because I don’t do those things. So how can I tell them not to do those things?
00:30:41:22 – 00:31:01:15
Nathan Crane
And then I go do those things? Whatever you do, your kids are going to do harm, you know, even if you tell them not to. And so, you know, they’re learning. They’re growing up in a in a very healthy environment because that’s the environment that we live. My wife and I live to this day. Right. And I think that’s that’s where it has to start more relevant.
00:31:02:02 – 00:31:13:02
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Yeah. And just to your point, too, I you know, do you know Joel Charlatan? He has polyps within The Omnivore’s Dilemma and.
00:31:13:12 – 00:31:17:18
Nathan Crane
Yeah, he’s big into permaculture, right? Josiah He’s got a big farm that, that’s.
00:31:17:18 – 00:31:39:03
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Alton Yeah, Russian culture and all that. And you know, we got invited to speak at his farm and I brought my daughter and it was just beautiful farm And, you know. Virginia We’re actually, I’m from and your cell phone doesn’t even work not because they’re not trying them, you know, just doesn’t work. You know where we’re at, right.
00:31:39:03 – 00:32:05:19
Dr. Christine Schaffner
You know, And so but I just remember seeing how healthy the, you know, the young men on the farm, you know, looked and everybody there like everybody was like so vibrant and so healthy, you know, just living off that land and, you know, being in that environment. And so it just to go to your point about the food, it matters, you know, especially when they’re that young and yeah, his work is really inspirational.
00:32:06:04 – 00:32:09:21
Dr. Christine Schaffner
You’ll have to have him on the podcast. I’m happy to introduce you guys.
00:32:10:08 – 00:32:51:24
Nathan Crane
I’d love that. I’d love to interview him. You know, I have a big passion for regenerative agriculture and permaculture, and I really think it’s the I think it’s the easiest and most realistic way to accelerate our health and our sovereignty as a nation is to have as many families as possible growing as much food as possible, even if it means all you have is a garden tower in your backyard that you’re planting every season, holds 50 plants, put your compost in there, doesn’t take up any space because there’s water very conservatively.
00:32:52:05 – 00:33:07:20
Nathan Crane
But if that’s all you had but being connected to your food. Right. But imagine, you know, 50 million families doing that. And then you had maybe you had room for a couple of raised bed gardens in the front. You plant a couple of fruit trees, like, yeah, you’re like, oh, yeah, one person or one family. That’s not much.
00:33:07:20 – 00:33:32:01
Nathan Crane
But when you multiply that across the nation and then families actually start growing more food and more food, one, we get rid of the need and use for all of these chemicals that are literally destroying our health, health of the waterways, health of the of the fish and the animals, health of our bodies. Right. That are leading to to all kinds of mitochondrial damage that lead to cancer.
00:33:32:09 – 00:33:58:20
Nathan Crane
You know, we eliminate the need for that because we are just growing our own food organically. You don’t need chemicals and you you reduce the dependency on these giant agro chemical farms anyway, which are not good for the planet, are not good for humanity, not good for the animals, not good for the soil. And we reconnect back to to nature, you know, we reconnect to our food source.
00:33:58:20 – 00:34:04:08
Nathan Crane
And it’s like, that’s such a simple, powerful thing. We all could do is just grow a little bit of food.
00:34:05:14 – 00:34:26:12
Dr. Christine Schaffner
I know I got back from one event and I just live in I live in Seattle and it’s all neighborhoods here. But, you know, we got raised birds and we started, you know, you know, just growing what we could. And we have a little apple tree on our you property. So, yeah, I mean, even in a city environment, you know, you do what you can.
00:34:26:13 – 00:34:52:12
Dr. Christine Schaffner
I love it. And, and you know, the other point to, you know, just kind of that MicroConf as a macrocosm reflection about the, you know, our and our soil and the soil of kind of our, you know, our farming lands because of all the things, that’s a whole other conversation. I mean how he rotates livestock on his land and how he teaches people to do that, like it literally regenerates soil like.
00:34:52:12 – 00:34:59:03
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So I think I agree with you like that’s the that’s the direction we’re going, right? You know.
00:34:59:20 – 00:35:17:01
Nathan Crane
So I have a question about your kind of about your childhood. I’m curious, did you did you always have a passion for kind of natural health, holistic health, where your parents big into natural health or what kind of got you in that direction?
00:35:18:01 – 00:35:47:19
Dr. Christine Schaffner
You know, a great question. I mean, I grew up my my dad’s an oncologist and my mom is in nursing, and then she did like nursing education. So she taught at like universities all about the heart. I hope to read some papers back in the day or just enter the grades other. And then she also was she worked at George Washington University Hospital and I remember working there one summer and entering the incident reports.
00:35:47:19 – 00:35:49:18
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And I was just like, Oh my God.
00:35:50:17 – 00:35:51:06
Speaker 4
What?
00:35:51:06 – 00:36:11:11
Dr. Christine Schaffner
What happened? Oh, my God. You know, my mom was like, Yeah, I mean, the people who are in the hospital, like, would never go to a hospital if they were sick, you know? And I just remember being like, you know, just back and then know, I’m 42. So this was, you know, I’m still not mainstream at all. You know, there was like the pockets of, like complementary and alternative medicine, right?
00:36:11:23 – 00:36:31:24
Dr. Christine Schaffner
That was what we called it. But yeah, I mean, I was around a lot of, you know, conventional medicine. And my dad, you know, he thought he was helping me, but I was the kid with the aches and the tonsillitis and I would have the pink bubblegum and the, you know, the marks, the fill in. And, you know, I had my tonsils out then, you know, all of that.
00:36:32:16 – 00:36:53:17
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And so I experienced like the opposite, you know, of kind of what I’m trying to, you know, cultivate for my daughter. But I mean, it was the best they you know, they were you know, they had a different perspective. Right. You know, he’s a first generation doctor and thinking that these are amazing medicines. And while you can, you know, overnight, you know, your kid can feel better, you know, it’s just a different time, right?
00:36:54:07 – 00:37:01:23
Nathan Crane
Well, it’s a different time. It’s still that way right now. I mean, like I think most conventional doctors think what they’re doing.
00:37:02:17 – 00:37:09:00
Dr. Christine Schaffner
You know, we know about the microbiome now. It’s just a choice to be educated. You know what I mean? We know about the microbiome.
00:37:09:04 – 00:37:28:20
Nathan Crane
Yeah, but if you go to if you go to conventional. So to challenge that thought a little bit, if you go to a conventional medical school, right, and you’re like, I want to be a doctor to save lives, and you go to, you know, whether it’s oncology, it’s surgery, whatever it is, or you want to be a family practitioner and that’s all that when you go now.
00:37:28:20 – 00:38:13:02
Nathan Crane
So I have I’ve talked to a student who literally what they’re being taught right now is natural medicine does not work. It is all quackery. There’s no here’s the words they were told. There’s no science that supports natural medicine. Don’t even pay attention to it. It’s a distraction. So this is what the young people are being taught in conventional medical schools still today, knowing, well, they may not know some somebody, but the person being taught doesn’t realize there’s I know of 80,000 abstracts in peer reviewed published journals that are based on natural medicine, scientific research.
00:38:13:02 – 00:38:36:03
Nathan Crane
And there’s probably more than that. Right. So 80,000 that I’ve seen, I haven’t read them all, but I’ve seen them in a directory and I’ve read hundreds, if not thousands of them. And still today in conventional medical school, students are being taught there’s no science, it supports natural medicine, Don’t even listen to it. It’s all quackery. Can you believe that is crazy?
00:38:36:14 – 00:39:03:23
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there’s some universities that will have like a small, you know, complementary and alternative center or like Cleveland Clinic has the functional medicine, you know. So there’s there, there are these little pockets. But I agree like there’s a huge I mean that’s a whole other conversation the the brainwashing and the hazing, you know, the knowledge that gets in place through, you know, physician education.
00:39:03:23 – 00:39:29:01
Dr. Christine Schaffner
I mean, I think that completely, you know, the false monopoly, you know, the false scarcity of seeds and, you know, all of that stuff. I mean, it creates this whole power dynamic and, you know, yeah, I mean, we’re not creating healers for creating, you know, arms of the pharmaceutical industry at the end of the day. Right. You know, but there are people in the conventional world who that that are frustrated.
00:39:29:01 – 00:39:52:00
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And can you imagine they going to all that school? I just think about that. Like, you know, my patients go to neurologists. You know, I have a ton of respect. I have to go through a procedure I’m happy to talk about. So there there are winds in that community. But can you imagine like going to like a neurologist and like only having like after I mean, they get they probably go to school, like how long?
00:39:52:01 – 00:39:54:05
Dr. Christine Schaffner
12 years? 16? I don’t.
00:39:54:05 – 00:39:57:03
Nathan Crane
Know. Yeah, long or drugs.
00:39:57:03 – 00:40:15:07
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So you can prescribe to try to help people, you know what I mean? Like or like maybe you’re thinking outside the box and you have this other, you know, for drugs to use. You know what I mean? It would just be, I don’t know, soul crushing to me. But, but, but yeah, I mean, I hear you. I hear the indoctrination.
00:40:15:07 – 00:40:35:21
Dr. Christine Schaffner
I hear kind of what’s happening and I hear the, you know, I mean, that that that tail is all the time with the Flexner Report just trying to have the monopoly on medicine. Right? I mean, it’s just part of our landscape of America with the pharmaceutical lobby and so forth. I mean, we you know, this big food, big pharma, you know, all of this is keeping America sick.
00:40:37:02 – 00:41:02:23
Dr. Christine Schaffner
But I hope I mean, I really hope that COVID was a window, too, for some of those conventional doctors being really frustrated and being very you know, they had to be by the bedside of people dying horribly and alone, you know, that that’s wildly traumatic. You know, And many people that force is a change, you know, And some people just keep going and compartmentalize.
00:41:02:23 – 00:41:28:17
Dr. Christine Schaffner
But some people, you know, they they want to change. So, you know, so I mean, I grew up around all that. Right. And but I always was that, you know we had bookstores back then. So, like, I go to Barnes and Noble and I would be in the, you know, the spirituality section and reading all the, like hippie books and conversations with God and, you know, like always, like, how.
00:41:28:17 – 00:41:29:04
Nathan Crane
Old were you?
00:41:29:21 – 00:41:32:16
Dr. Christine Schaffner
I was thinking high school or maybe like middle school. High school.
00:41:32:17 – 00:41:37:11
Nathan Crane
And you just kind of just naturally kind of attracted to the more the spiritual side of things.
00:41:37:19 – 00:42:06:18
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Well, it was just gravity, you know, I grew up Catholic. I had conventional, you know, medical parents. My parents took a divorce. So that that was the whole thing. But, um, but I was always kind of I was good in science and biology. I was thinking about being a doctor, but it didn’t sit quite right. And then I learned about naturopathic school and I learned about last year, and I was on the journey to get there and to complete that and make sure that was the right route.
00:42:06:18 – 00:42:51:03
Dr. Christine Schaffner
But, um, but yeah, I, I, I have a very unique lens because I grew up conventional. I did all the pre-med stuff. I did all like, should I be an M.D., an M.D., And then I, you know, really embraced anthropomorphic medicine and had great mentors and amazing patients. And I really think at the end of the day, the polarity or the polarization that we have in medicine, like, you know, we have to think more like, okay, we have this amazing toolkit and there’s a patient in front of you and how can we serve them the best, you know, And if we need to use a little bit of this and a little bit of that,
00:42:51:09 – 00:43:10:19
Dr. Christine Schaffner
you know, but with the mindset that I’m happy to continue to share of how I, you know, share like I’m okay with that, you know, But I think when you get totally, like, polarized and like, I can only treat my body this way. I can only treat my body this way. And you you create division within you, you know what I mean?
00:43:10:19 – 00:43:32:22
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And I think at the end of the day, we all want to feel whole, you know, integrated and whole. So but but yeah we way overuse pharmaceuticals and nobody knows enough about natural medicine. Yeah I mean I didn’t cover it. I was like just praying like, wouldn’t that be amazing that we had like vitamin C IVs in and the hospital?
00:43:32:22 – 00:43:34:07
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Like, we would have saved lives.
00:43:34:19 – 00:43:35:01
Speaker 4
Yeah.
00:43:35:19 – 00:43:36:24
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Completely. You know.
00:43:37:11 – 00:43:56:04
Nathan Crane
I won’t talk about that, right? So I was so really early on in COVID, I was consulting with a lot of doctors, naturopaths, integrative medical doctors, you know, holistic and asking them, you know, what, what are your thoughts on this and what’s what do you think is really going on and how do you you know, how would you treat this and all of that?
00:43:56:04 – 00:44:16:14
Nathan Crane
And then I remember talking with a few doctors and and one of them gave me a really long report he put together and said, look, if we just gave vitamin C to the patients who are in the hospital, especially the ones who are being put on ventilators, he said, I think is what he said. Now, hopefully we don’t get censored for this.
00:44:16:14 – 00:44:38:13
Nathan Crane
But, you know, that’s the problem of what we’re up against right now. As you even talk about these things, you know, you can get censored and they don’t allow this information to get out to the world, but we need to talk about it anyway. Right. But this is what he told me. Yeah. He told me that if you if he said the ventilators are killing the patients, he said, and here’s why.
00:44:38:13 – 00:45:10:21
Nathan Crane
And he gave a really you know, this was his theory. He said, look, the these these patients are on these ventilators. They’re not getting vitamin C. Vitamin C is an essential nutrient for rebuilding collagen. The collagen in the is it the esophagus, the wherever the or the connects to the lungs. Right. The basically is breaking down. And this is what’s leading to the liquid being, you know, entering into the lungs and killing the patients.
00:45:10:21 – 00:45:30:15
Nathan Crane
So they say it’s the, you know, the liquid entering the lungs and killing the patient. He’s saying, look, if all you did was give them vitamin C because they’re not getting vitamin C and you need vitamin C, literally, you know, every day and in this case, multiple times a day to rebuild the collagen. And if you’re not, you know, and then you’ve got this issue going on in this ventilator, in this, he said that’s what’s doing it.
00:45:30:15 – 00:45:48:08
Nathan Crane
He said that’s all it would take, Vitamin C and a couple other nutrients that he that he mentioned. I’ve go back and look at his report that he sent me. But you even mentioned that I shared that article in, I think early 2020. And, you know, you get shadow banned, you get threatened on Facebook, on all social media.
00:45:48:08 – 00:46:12:13
Nathan Crane
My YouTube got shut down for six months, like just mentioning anything that could be supportive of healing people. And these are from really well credentialed doctors with, you know, thousands of clinical hours of experience. It’s just crazy. And the censorship is still it’s a lot better now, but it’s still going on, which is mind blowing for.
00:46:13:02 – 00:46:41:00
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Yeah, I mean, we all know anyone who has a practice and treats like one people get acute colds or flus or, you know, infections. It’s all about early treatment and quick, you know, And usually that’s where a lot of natural therapies shine because you can dose them high and, you know, dose them quickly. And people usually respond, well, you know, not everyone, you know, everyone’s unique.
00:46:41:00 – 00:46:49:09
Dr. Christine Schaffner
But yeah, that was the that was the hardest thing to watch for me during that.
00:46:49:09 – 00:47:18:22
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00:48:08:24 – 00:48:39:00
Nathan Crane
Now let’s get back to the show. Yeah, I’m trying to find I’m going to find that report that he sent me, but so, I mean, if we could if we can save lives with a natural approach, you know, that is nontoxic and is effective and is safe and is affordable. Right. Most of these nutrients that the body needs are very affordable.
00:48:39:06 – 00:48:57:15
Nathan Crane
Zinc, vitamin D, vitamin C, a lot of things that have shown to help boost immune system function and help, you know, increase the and the the healing capacity of the body against viral infections. You know, think about how many people’s lives could be could be saved.
00:48:58:06 – 00:49:20:08
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Yeah, yeah, I know. I was laughing one man’s dark humor. But when we were getting all those people were getting those checks from the government, and we could also with that money, you know, get their bottles of vitamin D using vitamin C, QUERCETIN you know, all the things. Right. But that would have been too sensical, I guess, right at the time.
00:49:21:22 – 00:49:44:14
Dr. Christine Schaffner
But yeah, mean I think though even I think we’re at a really opportune time. Nathan I think that, you know, before COVID, as you asked in the beginning of this conversation, like, you know, there is more and more awareness, you know, but I started out you had to really still talk about everything that I knew very quietly. And then the awareness was building.
00:49:44:24 – 00:49:59:12
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And then here we are in COVID and we cannot deny post COVID ever is too many people have it. I think 23 million Americans, you’d have to find a stat. But you know, there’s way too many. You know, again, people who have post COVID, when.
00:49:59:24 – 00:50:03:11
Nathan Crane
You talk about like long COVID or what do you when you say post-COVID, what do you mean.
00:50:03:22 – 00:50:09:09
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Long haulers? Long COVID, they’re they’re they’re sick. Beyond that, like two weeks, let’s just say.
00:50:09:16 – 00:50:36:04
Nathan Crane
Yeah, yeah. Gotcha, gotcha. And I and I and I apologize when I was saying, just to clarify for people tuning in, when I was saying post-COVID earlier in our conversation, I meant like post the two year period where, you know, COVID took over everybody’s lives and the world was shut down and all of that. So kind of post-COVID, you know, apocalyptic kind of, you know, human experience that we had.
00:50:36:09 – 00:50:41:23
Nathan Crane
But to differentiate. So when you’re saying post-COVID, you’re talking about like kind of the long haul COVID.
00:50:42:10 – 00:51:08:16
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Long haulers, the, you know, the still lingering, you know, so but, you know, my my point is that, you know, we could have a conversation all day long, right. About acutely and kind of those 2 to 3 years what went wrong. And, you know, it was horrendous. Right. And horrific. But I feel like we’re at a really opportune time to maybe, you know, create I mean, I’m an optimist, right?
00:51:08:16 – 00:51:30:09
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So my my in my heart, I’m like, this is an opportune time to really build that new system that has been wanting to be birthed for a long time, you know, and people need it. And we still need our acute care, traumatic, urgent care medical system. You know, I, I had neurosurgery myself, and I am grateful I had it.
00:51:30:19 – 00:51:55:11
Dr. Christine Schaffner
But I you know, that is not what people need every day. The average person, you know, the average person needs health. And if they’re sick, they need somebody to look at them and say, you’re not crazy. This is totally within the of our understanding. It’s going to take a multifactorial, multi systemic approach. We’re going to use a combination of tools.
00:51:55:23 – 00:52:12:23
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So you’re going to be a very much a participant in your journey. You’re not going to get spoon fed your health and just hope one day it’s going to work out. You’re, you know, the hero of this journey that we are in together. And we’re going to we’re going to learn some things and we’re going to do what’s right for you.
00:52:13:06 – 00:52:38:01
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Right. And right now, that type of care is completely not affordable for the average person, right? It’s not insurance, not with an insurance model, which I think we need to rethink that anyway. But, you know, most people who are you know, that’s the heartbreaking thing. Chronic illness, very often people can’t work. They’ve exhausted a lot of resources trying to get the right care.
00:52:38:01 – 00:53:24:03
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And then when they get it, it takes time to still get better. Right. So and I think this new model is even building upon our functional and naturopathic model somewhere like bridging the emerging bio field science and biophysical understanding and quantum biology, understanding of how we’re wired to heal and integrating the two. So we have like acute care, urgent care, surgical one really needed method, and then we have the, you know, day in and day out, the bridge of, you know, the best of what we need on a physical, as well as activating this beautiful and energetic system that really runs the ship.
00:53:24:03 – 00:53:45:07
Dr. Christine Schaffner
It’s not a it’s not an afterthought. It’s actually, you know, the source code. But, you know, that’s what we still need. A lot more eyes on this and it’s still our research and a lot more people looking at the body this way so we can continue to study and share what we are learning.
00:53:45:07 – 00:54:44:16
Nathan Crane
So you’ve done a lot of work around, you know, the the energetic systems of the body and you know, what’s fascinate eating is how you can look back thousands of years ago, even to even 7000 plus some say 30,000. I don’t know if there’s documentation supports that, but I know all the way back to the yellow emperor of China, which I believe is 5000 years ago, where the energetic systems of the body were highly understood and a major part of health protocols which led to things like acupuncture, acupressure, qigong, energy, medicine practices, which now today our modern science is testing these things and confirming, in fact, what our ancient ancestors knew thousands of years ago,
00:54:45:00 – 00:55:24:00
Nathan Crane
that the body is this incredible dynamic, complex system of of energy and everything is connected through energy by using something like an acupuncture needle. You know, just pressing into a meridian, for example, can free up stuck energy and lead to tremendous healing in the body or practicing qigong, which is intentional visualization often sound and movement practice that moves the energy through the body and miracles happen.
00:55:24:00 – 00:55:55:04
Nathan Crane
I’ve seen miracles firsthand happen in people’s lives. And I’ve I’ve actually done documentaries about them on a form of called Wisdom Healing Qigong. Put them on YouTube. People can go watch them of people healing all kinds of chronic health conditions by connecting and activating that the inner energy systems of of the human right. And so what’s really cool is now, like I said, the science is kind of catching up to what our ancestors have known for thousands of years.
00:55:56:08 – 00:56:17:11
Nathan Crane
And, you know, it’s it’s being called different things and has different names and in all of that. But as you said, it’s not it can’t be an afterthought anymore. It has to be the first thing that we focus on every, you know, as part of our health protocols. It’s the first thing I do every morning, in fact, is a Qigong practice because I know how important it is.
00:56:17:11 – 00:56:26:23
Nathan Crane
So you talk a little bit about that and where you come from when it when you’re working with patients in terms of, you know, energy, medicine, energy, healing and so forth.
00:56:27:11 – 00:56:45:17
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Yeah, I love that. And I agree. It’s like it’s a renaissance of these ancient principles, but for modern times. Right. And, you know, we’re about to be up against ten. She’s right. You know, I don’t know if that, you know, 5000 years ago they were destroying themselves with that. But but anyway, you know.
00:56:45:21 – 00:57:03:00
Nathan Crane
Wait, wait, wait. Let’s hang on. I think so. They went three G, 4G, 5G, and all of a sudden you see ads for TNG where what happened between six and seven, eight, nine and who said any of us want ten and what is that going to do to our health anyway, Right. Like what? What is going on here?
00:57:03:09 – 00:57:28:16
Dr. Christine Schaffner
How I know. I hope that’s just a bad dream right now. And there is a you know, there’s going to be plenty of hopefully people sounding the alarm. But it’s a time now more than ever, we need to understand how we’re wired and why something like 5G would disturb our electrical and bio electromagnetic system. You know why? You know why we need to care, right?
00:57:28:16 – 00:57:57:00
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So you know how I how I look at the body. You know, I really love kind of the modern terminology is the bio field, right? It’s the field of information and the energy that surrounds us. It is subtle and energy and it’s also electromagnetic. It’s also a photonic. And I think there’s an element of vibratory sound, you know as well to this information field.
00:57:57:00 – 00:58:29:24
Dr. Christine Schaffner
My friend and colleague Eileen Cusick talks about it’s plasma in nature. So the you know, we have a plasma in the ether when we think about the electric universe. So this is a whole idea of space. It’s not an empty vacuum, but it’s a highly electric charged field of information and energy that connects all of us. We’re connected even across the continent here in this conversation, not just by Zoom, but by this field in my belief system and understanding of it.
00:58:31:05 – 00:59:00:06
Dr. Christine Schaffner
It’s a it’s a really amazing way to look at life. Right? I do have a spiritual lens and the spiritual way that I look at my. But even if you have whatever lens you look at, there, there is this idea within this quantum field that anything is possible, that it is full of unlimited potential. Right. And so kind of how you know, I’ve been noodling on this for years.
00:59:00:06 – 00:59:27:14
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And so what I landed on about, I think last year, I’m calling it the quantum Turing, Right. And so instead of just the terrain of bio regulatory medicine, which I totally in the fact of it, it’s totally guided me in my approach. We’re kind of going from the micro to the macro. So I’ll just start like I shared that we’re connected in this sea of information and energy where these bio fields sitting in this field of ether, right?
00:59:27:24 – 00:59:51:10
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And within this, you know, field, you know, it’s bi directional. So a lot of us think of it as just an emanation, like, oh, I have a my and we know our heart is electromagnetic and we can measure the field of the heart speed around us and just, oh, that’s cool, you know, But, you know, so we’re thinking of it in that way.
00:59:51:10 – 01:00:23:23
Dr. Christine Schaffner
But there’s also a thought that the field that’s generated is actually informing and it’s informing the brain and informing our biochemistry. And, you know, there are so many field interactions before they’re biochemical reactions. So so this idea of the quantum train is, you know, really from the DNA to the ether where this, you know, through line of connection and access and, you know, why does that matter is that we can connect to this field for healing, right?
01:00:24:00 – 01:00:56:21
Dr. Christine Schaffner
For healing and for solace, for a purpose, for, you know, just love in another person, you know? So for intending, for another, for healing another person. And you know, when we look at it, James Ashman, Dr. James Ashman and Dr. John Jean Claude Berto have gone within the body and they have the very definition and James calls it the Living Matrix.
01:00:56:21 – 01:01:23:03
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And then Dr. Humberto is just saying it’s the fascia, right? And the fashion is this beautiful fabric that’s within us. It’s really where the meridian system lies. Right. And fascia is not only this structural landscape that makes us who we are in a structural upper level, but it is a communication network. It’s our own fiber optic system within that.
01:01:23:04 – 01:01:54:16
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So it’s a conductor, right, of electricity and light and sound. And when we get sick, there’s, you know, there’s demonstrate, there’s, you know, maybe a scar, you know, from, you know, a surgery or a injury that now becomes a traffic jam in that fossil communication network or there is a, you know, stored emotion from a traumatic event that you don’t have a conscious memory of, but you have a body memory of.
01:01:54:16 – 01:02:27:12
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Right. That that’s in that facial fabric or, you know, we’re all full of glyphosate now and, you know, aluminum and, you know, mercury and lime and co-infections and now COVID and, you know, spike protein and you know all of that. Right? That soup, you know, affects the fascia, right? So we can get down and out when we just think about the physical kind of unwinding of, okay, I know how to through charge principles and detoxification principles and through the lymphatics to carry that out of the body.
01:02:27:20 – 01:02:57:23
Dr. Christine Schaffner
But if we can strengthen our feel of and strengthen that communication system no matter what we’re up against, that I think is for health and healing is and that’s why you put an acupuncture needle in a area of stagnation in the partial system. You open up that communication network and the body’s happy Health is complicated. And, you know, the things that walk in my door are really complex and I’m not going to lie, but there’s simplicity and elegance as well.
01:02:57:23 – 01:03:15:02
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And, you know, as you said, to help us, you know, the flow of energy. Right. And where there’s obstacles or obstructions, you know, it’s our job to facilitate the safe removal of that to the body. And as to who knows way better than I know how to deal.
01:03:15:02 – 01:03:15:15
Speaker 4
So.
01:03:16:14 – 01:04:10:01
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s beautiful. You know, you remind as you were talking about, you know, we’re all connected by this electrical energy and, you know, we’re just as we’re talking here on Zoom, take take this away and we can still be connected through our thoughts and through energy. And for anyone who doubts that still to this day, you may have heard or maybe not have heard that the CIA has been researching this and using this, these methods of of remote viewing and telepathy and telekinesis, studying this and researching this mostly for espionage and for, you know war and, you know, really negative, let’s say.
01:04:11:14 – 01:04:34:02
Nathan Crane
I would say, yeah, well, it’s just like they’re using it for their purposes, but they’ve been studying this for over 50 years. In the seventies they released the all of the confidential reports on this back in 2000. And what’s really fascinating how actually you can you can find this report yourself anyone who wants to but I’ll share it for anyone who’s watching this.
01:04:34:11 – 01:05:09:01
Nathan Crane
But this is from CIA dot gov. It’s from the records of the CIA. And it’s really fascinating. I remember hearing about this years ago. It was called Project Stargate, and they were researching remote viewing, some of the things they said, remote viewing, meaning I can sit here in a meditative state, close my eyes, and somewhere else in the world, or in another room or in another state or country, somebody is holding up something or holding a sign or wearing a shirt or whatever.
01:05:09:01 – 01:05:31:15
Nathan Crane
And then I’m asked, you know, what is that person wearing where they look like what’s in their hands? All of that. And I can tell them. Right. And so they have been researching this and studying this and realizing that this is a learnable skill for human beings that we can use remote viewing, which is and I’ll share some interesting case studies of that and how it can apply to health and healing, which I think is really cool.
01:05:31:15 – 01:05:50:14
Nathan Crane
They use it more often. You know, war and espionage and things like that. But I think it can be used for much better purposes. Some of the things the CIA say about it, it is passive, it is inexpensive, and there is no known defense. They say time, distance, target size, their degree of difficulty all have no apparent effect on collection by remote viewing.
01:05:50:14 – 01:06:16:17
Nathan Crane
Again, this is you know, they were studying this heavily in the seventies and some of the other things that they were studying is psycho energetics. The mental process by which an individual perceives communicates with or perturbs characteristics of a designated target person or event remote cytokinesis, mental powers. It cannot be explained by known physical means. So this was again from the seventies.
01:06:16:17 – 01:06:38:21
Nathan Crane
I think we can start to understand how these things work even more clearly today. Our science is really catching up. ESPN Telepathy perceptions, they say, again, cannot be explained by known sensory means, but they’re able to able to actually use telepathy and ESP reading somebody else’s thoughts. Right. So what am I thinking right now? What word am I thinking in?
01:06:38:21 – 01:06:55:02
Nathan Crane
Someone connects to their thoughts. And because you’re thinking this and, they would get it accurate and they go, How the heck do you do that? They couldn’t figure out how. But we know now, as you just said, we are all connected by energy. Our thoughts are connected, our emotions can be connected. Our hearts in all of this can actually be measured today.
01:06:55:02 – 01:07:16:10
Nathan Crane
These are measurable, scientifically measurable things, which I think is really fascinating. You, you know, remote viewing, all of that. And so this is a really interesting report. I encourage people to go, you can just go Google it. CIA remote viewing and you can go find the report on the CIA’s website, but they teach you how to do it.
01:07:16:10 – 01:07:47:12
Nathan Crane
The basic components of remote viewing include the ability to physically relax, the ability to reduce level of physical arousal training about feedback techniques, self-control exercises, the ability to increase awareness of internal feelings, training and dream. Recall, guided visual imagery exercises, etc. the ability to engage in receptive right mode, right hemispheric functioning, synchronization of hemispheric and mode recognition, drawing classes, the ability to achieve an altered view of reality reading assignments, intellectual study, meditation.
01:07:47:12 – 01:08:07:00
Nathan Crane
Basically, it’s the things that we know of how to calm ourselves down and get into a really clear state. And then this is where we gain wisdom from or insights or intuition, at least I do in my own life, write it, quiet my mind, get to a meditative state. And if I’m trying to solve a big problem, I get to that really quiet place.
01:08:07:00 – 01:08:22:18
Nathan Crane
And then I start asking questions and very often thoughts pop in, right? And it’s like, Oh, I didn’t think of that before. Oh, that could work, right? Or a vision or a sound or something. A smell. I’m just gonna go to the end of this report really quick because I want to read this. And then, and then I want to hear your thoughts.
01:08:22:18 – 01:08:46:10
Nathan Crane
But here’s what they said. Many intriguing and scientifically unexplainable results have been achieved under control the experimental conditions, as well as spontaneous filled situations as with any potential advance in technology or technique, remote viewing needs to be sufficiently field tested. Intelligence agencies are encouraged not to ignore this potential resource, but rather place it among their arsenal of operational tools.
01:08:46:20 – 01:09:09:23
Nathan Crane
Remote viewers can be used as collectors or in conjunction with other intelligence sources throughout the D.O.D. Department of Defense and Intelligence community, because our service is to be of, quote unquote, help. I think it’s kind of funny. Once this understanding can occur, perhaps then can the role of the remove you or be remote viewer be more clearly defined?
01:09:09:23 – 01:09:23:18
Nathan Crane
But again, you know, it’s like our own government has been studying and researching this hands on for over 50 years, and yet today it’s still, you know, promoted as some kind of quackery.
01:09:24:07 – 01:09:50:23
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Yeah. Yeah. I hadn’t seen that report. You were you wonder like back in the day whose typing. All of that right of the time. But I you know, I mean our government knows a lot, I mean a lot of our Shailene kind of I’m tools have come out of like studying space you know NASA’s done a lot with photo bio modulation and, you know, this regenerative healing capacity in the body.
01:09:50:23 – 01:10:16:13
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So yeah, I mean, I think it’s yeah, it’s interesting, right? You know, there there is a knowledge and I know in within the system that we know things doesn’t want to go there. Right. And I think in light of that we still have to keep proceeding with this truth. Right. And I think people people are ready. And I think that we’re getting to a tipping point almost.
01:10:16:13 – 01:10:39:15
Dr. Christine Schaffner
I would say maybe I’m but people really being more open to everything we’ve just shared. I think with the advent of like a 5G in a tent in wi fi, in the cell phone people, people are more like, okay, well, you know, we can understand that, you know, invisible fields of energy, we interact with them to communicate every day, you know.
01:10:40:10 – 01:11:08:16
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And so how could that be a far cry from, you know, our learning about, you know, the cells. Right. And the cells and meeting bio photons and having their own, you know, electrical magnetic field sets around them and even emitting sound and, you know, like this is the this is the way that we’re really communicating that at the end of the day.
01:11:08:22 – 01:11:38:23
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And we know, you know, like just go to the sound bath or listen to relaxing music and you can see how your whole body and mind and spirit changes, right. You know, and quickly. Right. It’s it’s it’s you know what I why I’m fascinated with these tools and why I am excited about, you know, bringing them. And I mean, I can go through what’s in my office and what I do, but is that attempts to help accelerate the patient’s healing trajectory?
01:11:39:08 – 01:11:51:13
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Right. Because this is the realm of spontaneous healing and people healing quite quickly and the realm of the miracle. Miraculous, right?
01:11:51:15 – 01:11:51:24
Speaker 4
Yeah.
01:11:52:14 – 01:12:26:08
Nathan Crane
Yeah. It’s it’s it’s it’s interesting that we have to use the term or that our conventional medical term is spontaneous healing. Right? There was a spontaneous healing just happen all by itself automatically and and you know through your work that it’s not something that just happen all by itself automatically you you helped the you you helped regulate the terrain and the environment in the body to get into a state where it can do that incredible healing which seems sometimes because it happens so quick.
01:12:26:17 – 01:12:34:20
Nathan Crane
Right. So yeah, talk a little bit about that. What is kind of like your first approach with patients and what are some of the tools that you use?
01:12:35:09 – 01:12:58:01
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Oh really? I am. We have like an acronym in the office of How to how we approach patient care and eco or eco. So and train energy system support, clearing the blocks and optimizing flow. So it’s not like a linear trajectory. It’s just kind of sharing, okay, what are we doing? So, you know, I do all my normal doctor stuff, right?
01:12:58:01 – 01:13:26:09
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So I do my clinical history, I do a lot of lab work, and then I run people through to bio energetic scans. So there are different technologies that are working through principles of, you know, these field interactions in the body. And there’s also a concept called resonant frequencies that every tissue and Oregon and system and the body and everything that could be disrupted has a frequency signature.
01:13:27:03 – 01:13:51:20
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And we can decide that there are technologies that can read whether that is within the kind of optimal kind of like in the body. Is the body in an optimal resonant frequency, or is it out of balance so it can scan and detect that and then it can detect if there are any frequency signatures of disturbances that might be impacting the body.
01:13:51:24 – 01:14:27:08
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So bioinformatics can be quite interesting to just again, give us more and more clues of why the body is not in a state of health or is having a hard time healing. And then I use another scan. So the first one was the scan and then the other is a muscle mass and that’s Harry Miles’s company. And it’s really in really the body field or the bio field, and it’s looking at energy systems and seeing where there might be disturbances and kind of more of the control field systems.
01:14:27:08 – 01:14:57:01
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And then it’s it’s cool. It has some ways to look at, you know, the unconscious emotional aspects like what could be stored or unresolved traumas or emotions in the body. So that’s quite an insightful his whole system has vibrational remedies that you can target to help balance the body or like a handheld device that adds energy in the body so that that’s just kind of like a, you know, like, okay, survey like priming me, like because I’m the computer.
01:14:57:01 – 01:15:22:04
Dr. Christine Schaffner
At the end of the day, I’m trying to figure out what’s wrong, right? So we do the you all the doctor stuff and then we do the bio energetic scans and then I’ve been trained in muscle testing. So that’s kind of about a doctor. Good hard work. Originally he was original chiropractor who really found that the body can really communicate with changes in muscle strength.
01:15:22:20 – 01:15:48:06
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And it’s a great tool. It, it, it just helped me a lot. So then that helps me to hone in and communicate with the body. You know, where to start, you know, there’s a prioritization and that is the, you know, really why people come to see me, because my patients are so educated. They’re like really amazingly brilliant and they become their own honorary PhDs through the right.
01:15:48:06 – 01:16:16:15
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And and so that prioritization B emerges as the body tells me, Oh, like that root canal tooth is really poisoning you or let’s work in really, like, clear. You know, this, you know, liver and biliary system it’s completely congested or oh my gosh, you know that you’re in a moldy home or, you know, did you know that you know, that trauma that you had, you know, ten years ago is still, you know, in the scar.
01:16:16:15 – 01:16:18:06
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And let’s release that or.
01:16:18:15 – 01:16:40:22
Nathan Crane
You do you can you tell all this by by the muscle testing and by the measuring of organs and so forth or is this a combination of you know, they’ve listed these things out in your questionnaire and your patient intake and then you’re doing the testing and then you’re connecting the two? Or how does that work.
01:16:41:09 – 01:16:59:10
Dr. Christine Schaffner
For really integrating, You know, like as I mentioned, like I’m I’m the computer at the end of the day, so I’m still acknowledging and using all of that clinical data. And then I have bio energetic data and then I have the feedback of the body showing me where there’s stress not stress or how to kind of go through that.
01:17:00:04 – 01:17:34:16
Dr. Christine Schaffner
But when multiple testing, you only can really you, you know, I mean, you but you have to go on the computer of your brain, the computer of your brain, like through the toxins or, you know.
01:17:34:16 – 01:17:51:05
Nathan Crane
Done like muscle testing on things like that. Let’s say something really thing really, you know, measure. And then you do, you know, whether it’s blood or stool or urine testing to confirm.
01:17:57:04 – 01:18:19:14
Dr. Christine Schaffner
My patients like what are the objective labs. Funny if you want to go deeper and understand what I just said, you know, I’m always given that option and I have a resident. I try to train a few residency or one or two residency are. And you know, she was laughing. She got the labs back and she’s like, I think you already told her that.
01:18:19:15 – 01:18:25:17
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So I’m like, Yeah, I mean, that’s yeah, that’s it works. Yeah. You know, like so and so.
01:18:25:22 – 01:18:45:13
Nathan Crane
It’s awesome though, because the reason I’m asking is because people are often very skeptical about things that they’re not, you know, familiar with. And so and skepticism, you know, there’s a healthy level of skepticism, right? Ask questions of your doctor, natural or conventional, and back it up with, you know, data and additional testing if you really want confirmation.
01:18:45:20 – 01:19:05:09
Nathan Crane
But it’s just really cool to hear you say that. Yeah, you’re identifying these kinds of things through bio energetic testing and muscle testing. And then when the patient wants to do a, you know, blood test or urine or stool, whatever it is that it’s just confirming what you’ve already identified without having to use those tests. So.
01:19:05:24 – 01:19:27:23
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Yeah, and I’m not perfect. So there’s always things that we can, of course, always learn. But I yeah, I definitely it’s a fun validation and confirmation that we’re on the right track. Right. And one of sometimes people, you know, they’ve been through so much and I give them, okay these are in the labs to do after this and they’re sick of spending money in labs and they just want to get better.
01:19:27:23 – 01:19:40:01
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And they just there’s enough confirmation and within their own system what the work that we’re doing together, they just want to go for it. And we do that and and we’ll get momentum.
01:19:40:01 – 01:20:01:23
Nathan Crane
Can I ask you a question about the frequency testing of like organs and things like that? And I’m curious about that. I haven’t done any research on it. I’ve heard about it a few times. Wow. Do you know how they and who and how they determined what is a healthy frequency of each organ that it’s emitting? Is it I mean.
01:20:02:12 – 01:20:29:01
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Yeah, it’s always my question to Nathan, but there there’s like a lot of research in Eastern Europe around this and I think just like our government has done at remote viewing, especially like in Russia and you know, this is Russian based technology, there is a lot of work that was done to find these things out.
01:20:29:01 – 01:20:33:08
Nathan Crane
I know you just said Russian based technology. You just triggered like a million people.
01:20:33:22 – 01:20:35:24
Speaker 4
I know that.
01:20:36:16 – 01:20:40:00
Nathan Crane
I know. We’re going to leave that in. Definitely not editing that out.
01:20:41:10 – 01:20:42:02
Speaker 4
So, I mean.
01:20:42:03 – 01:20:46:03
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Anything other than, you know, this was before the war.
01:20:46:11 – 01:20:54:22
Nathan Crane
I know the Russia you got to get Russians credit around for some things. They’re incredibly brilliant like that. Just a lot of credit where credit is due.
01:20:55:12 – 01:21:20:01
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Side and you know, there you know, there was always kind of, you know, you’d go over to Europe, you know, I’d go to these medical conferences in Germany over the years. There’s this really cool conference called Medicine Week in Bottom Bottom Germany. And they have hot springs there and it’s really beautiful. And Europe is totally cool with a lot of these technologies and pools.
01:21:20:21 – 01:21:55:24
Dr. Christine Schaffner
They’re not as cool and supplements, you know, they’re way more restrictive with supplements than the others, but they are they don’t have all these restrictions of getting a a bio resonance device or a bio energetic device on the market as is much. And so their people go to this conference to see all these different tools and technologies. And so the technology that I’m sharing your skin is just a compilation of a lot of going through different systems and combining things and seeing what what’s the best and most accurate.
01:21:55:24 – 01:22:25:00
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And I interviewed a woman, Dr. Should Hari and she she’s really cool. Her name’s Karim Qatari and her is called Sound Medicine. She’s a neurologist, but she is connected to her roots in India and she has the ability to study ancient Vedic texts. There are sound maps, so residents of, you know, herds of sound for each bone and each part of the body.
01:22:25:00 – 01:22:50:22
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So this was even done, I think, back then, like knowing what what is healthy and what is imbalanced, you know, back in the day, you know, I know there was a map back then, but yeah, I mean, there’s a lot of technology and like even frequency specific microcurrent or different, you know, frequencies, specific technologies that are quite efficacious and work very well.
01:22:51:05 – 01:23:19:20
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And I have that question all the time, like, where the heck do these frequencies come from? Like, how do we know this? And then I would if I had $100 million budget, that would be something I would want to go back and confirm or, you know, go back and study or, you know, or learn new things like with, you know, okay, what’s the new resonant, you know, signature of, you know, post COVID or long COVID and what’s happening, you know, so so yeah, but good question.
01:23:20:19 – 01:23:44:19
Nathan Crane
Yeah. I mean, it’s you know, I’ve done quite a bit of research on PMF therapy, right? Pulsed electromagnetic frequency therapy. And there’s a ton of data and a ton of research on that. And it’s ability to help help basically regulate the body’s own energy systems to activate healing and reduce chronic inflammation and help fight against cancer. All kinds of amazing things.
01:23:44:19 – 01:24:13:06
Nathan Crane
And Dr. William Pollack, I’m sure you know him. He’s he’s he’s in our Holistic leadership council, and he’s done research on this for many, many years. And You know, these kinds of things are like they’re not new. They’ve been around for a long time. It’s just people don’t realize they exist and they are so and I think part of the problem is people want the magic pills, so they take it and they feel better immediately.
01:24:13:16 – 01:24:27:20
Nathan Crane
You know, it’s like that. I eat the sugar and I feel great right away, even though you feel terrible in 2 hours, you kind of forget that that came from that sugar. So you do sugar because you feel great in the moment. I take the pill and my symptoms get reduced, my headache goes away, whatever. So we get so used.
01:24:27:21 – 01:24:51:23
Nathan Crane
That wears a lot of these types of technologies and these kinds of, you know, natural healing modalities. It just doesn’t work that way because the body doesn’t. In some cases it does. But most of the time it doesn’t, right? Like I can sit on a PMF therapy device or I put a infrared healing on my shoulder. I talk about this in one the previous podcasts or, you know, I tore for ligaments and cartilage in my shoulder.
01:24:52:08 – 01:25:15:16
Nathan Crane
And in less than three months of using a completely holistic approach, went back for a follow up MRI in three months, not less than three months, just that little bit like right at the three month mark. Most of that was completely healed up. Most of it there was like a little bit 10% of a tear, a little bit of bursitis, a little bit of, you know, some inflammation, different things, but a lot of it healed in a three month period.
01:25:15:16 – 01:25:33:12
Nathan Crane
Whereas if I went to a surgeon, they were said, Oh, you got to do surgery, you got to repair all this, you know, and then would have had those issues for the rest of my life. But using things like PMF therapy and diet and nutrition and so on, and ice baths and good sleep and qigong energy healing and infrared and red light therapy.
01:25:34:13 – 01:25:57:20
Nathan Crane
You know, I was able to able to heal this naturally. And, you know, there’s so much science that is here that supports these things as well in their accessible us. But I had you know I wore it every night while I went to sleep, you know, And so it wasn’t overnight. It didn’t heal overnight. And I still had pain and I was still, you know, in doing physical therapy and things like that.
01:25:57:20 – 01:26:17:20
Nathan Crane
But we kind of just want this magic pill to solve everything now. But those magic pills, remember, they don’t solve the underlying root cause going to cause other other symptoms and potentially other long term health conditions as well. So it’s like we’ve just have to change our mindset around it, right. That oh, it’s going to take some time.
01:26:18:04 – 01:26:33:07
Nathan Crane
I’m going to have to utilize multiple, you know, modalities, which is why, you know, I love the term holistic because it’s looking at all aspects of our life and our healing potential. And I’m going to feel amazing from this without all the side effects. Yeah.
01:26:33:17 – 01:26:37:14
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Yeah, I’m on I’m on the same page.
01:26:37:14 – 01:26:54:15
Nathan Crane
Nathan Well, you’re doing this with patients every day in your clinic, so, and seeing amazing results, and that’s what’s incredible. I like that you start with the, the energetic approach and then, and then you’re doing muscle testing and then maybe you’re doing labs, and then what are some of the things that you’re doing.
01:26:55:09 – 01:27:31:07
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Yeah. You know, and then we, you know, we put people on their own treatment protocols, right? And that’s good to kind of look at all the buckets. But a lot of times the immune system has gotten to the place where, I mean, you know, essentially it’s allows opportune Gnostic infections to thrive. And so we see a lot of like clean up that we need to do with not only removing toxicants but also potentially parasitic infections or mold or fungi infections or viral or retroviral or Lyme and co-infections.
01:27:31:07 – 01:27:53:01
Dr. Christine Schaffner
You know, there’s some type of work to do there. And then the toxicants, you know, we could talk all day from microplastics to ten G to, you know, heavy metals, you know, to all of that. And then, you know, looking at a trauma, you know, I definitely give people, you know, some awareness and tools to referrals and things to do their.
01:27:53:01 – 01:28:11:16
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And then in our office we have a lot of different like things that we kind of put people through the drills. So we of course, do a lot of lymphatic drainage because the lymph is really the key to opening up the drainage pathways and also getting our immune system back on board. So it’s a very fulfilling and rewarding system to treat.
01:28:11:16 – 01:28:38:21
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So we have equipment called one called the Flow press. So and then we have a really skilled therapist, you know, we have the sauna and the, you know, colonic machines. And then I also do a lot of therapy and we do a whole host of different IVs. The cool thing as we can combine some IVs like one has light, so we use different wavelengths of light that we use intravenously or through the or technology.
01:28:38:21 – 01:29:11:22
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And then we can combine it and, you know, people might be, you know, the beam or wearing the, you know, light helmet, you know, while they’re getting curcumin to vitamin C to methylene blue, I’m super excited. We just got an ibu and an ibu is a extracorporeal blood oxygenation of the nation and it’s basically a blood. You have access and one outflow and basically one blood is going out, one tube, one vein and then going through a filter and then that blood is getting needed.
01:29:11:22 – 01:29:29:22
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And so there’s a ton of surface area that is of the blood getting exposed to ozone. Ozone is a very powerful immune supportive towards three oxygen strengthens front together and it creates an oxidative burst in the body and then breaks down into oxygen. So it’s really good for a lot of things.
01:29:30:10 – 01:29:33:17
Nathan Crane
That have the UV light on. It also is that the one that has the light?
01:29:34:23 – 01:29:38:04
Dr. Christine Schaffner
We have UVB eye and then this is different because.
01:29:38:13 – 01:29:42:18
Nathan Crane
This is just ozon’s episodes on In the Blood and then the blood you put back in the body.
01:29:43:20 – 01:30:13:04
Dr. Christine Schaffner
To photonic sleep. So they’re going back through red light. But the cool thing is what’s different from UVB is the filter, and we need to study a lot what the filter is doing. But we have seen I referred to my dear friend and colleague, Dr. Yoshi Röhm. He really paved the way for EPO. And you know, in the last few years, especially to meet the challenging times of, you know, COVID and long haulers, they had a huge impact.
01:30:13:04 – 01:30:41:01
Dr. Christine Schaffner
And so I would be referring patients tendency like really great transformation. So we know it can really reduce plant inflammation. We see labs improve. We don’t know if the filter is taking anything out. Yeah, that needs to be research more, but it seems to be given that and how people feel. So we’re getting up and running on that and yeah, we do a lot of fundings and other cultural that we have is called the sauna soul.
01:30:41:03 – 01:30:50:04
Dr. Christine Schaffner
It takes your heart rate variability and converts it to light and sound. And so you’re basically bathing in the music and in light of your heart.
01:30:50:04 – 01:30:51:10
Nathan Crane
So that’s cool.
01:30:52:04 – 01:31:19:11
Dr. Christine Schaffner
So you’re kind of getting this like Auto-Tune of, you know, your field with the music of your heart. So that can be very expands of and you know, lovely. So, so yeah, we just, you know, we have our mix of things and you know, we have all sorts of things in between and I have a really wonderful team and people come here from all over and we just, you know, try to do our very best to put them on the right healing path and.
01:31:19:11 – 01:31:23:09
Dr. Christine Schaffner
It’s really quite a joy to see people get better.
01:31:24:10 – 01:31:47:08
Nathan Crane
Well, you’re you’re doing unbelievably amazing work. Think what you’re doing there is is like what you’re doing in your clinic, I think is going to eventually one day and hopefully sooner than later become commonplace for, you know, all clinics. I mean, you go to imagine going to urgent care and they’re like, you’re like, oh, I feel sick with this bug.
01:31:47:08 – 01:32:14:24
Nathan Crane
Whatever they like. All right, let’s get you on an I.V. Let’s get you on a vitamin C I.V. drip, and let’s get you in some red light and let those in it your blood. And let’s clean out your immune system. Flush lymphatic system. You’re like, Oh, right. This, you know, and you leave feeling really good instead of just giving a bottle of drugs that have side effects, you know, like, I really, I really, really, really dream and hope and pray that that is going to become commonplace in my lifetime, or at least in my children’s lifetime.
01:32:15:03 – 01:32:33:23
Nathan Crane
You know, How amazing would that be? So the fact that you’re doing all that there and, you know, literally changing and saving people’s lives is incredible. So thank you so much and thanks for this beautiful time together and all your wisdom and yeah I really enjoyed our conversation.
01:32:35:00 – 01:32:39:18
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Or I have the same dream and I really enjoyed our time together as well. So thank you.
01:32:40:05 – 01:32:43:17
Nathan Crane
And where’s the best place for people to get in touch with you all?
01:32:43:23 – 01:32:53:03
Dr. Christine Schaffner
Thank you. I have a website. Dr. Christine Schaffner, dot com. You can find out more about me. And then our clinic is Eminem’s health dot com and so.
01:32:54:21 – 01:33:04:10
Nathan Crane
Beautiful thanks so much take care.