In today’s video, we sit down with Dr. Henning Saupe. Dr. Henning Saupe completed his medical studies at the University of Ulm, Germany. After completing his doctorate in the field of psychotherapy, he was also awarded the title of Doctor of Medicine. Dr. Saupe worked in Stockholm for ten years as a general practitioner with a focus on naturopathy, anthroposophical medicine, and holistic cancer therapy. In January 2005, Dr. Saupe founded the Arkadiakliniken in Stockholm, the first hyperthermia clinic in Sweden specializing in oncological hyperthermia. He founded the Arcadia practice in Kassel in 2006 and in Bad Emstal in 2014 where he currently serves as medical director. Since 2005, Dr. Saupe has regularly lectured in Scandinavia, including in Stockholm, Oslo, Gothenburg, and Malmö, as well as in the United States. In September 2007, he was awarded Professor Olof Lindal´s Prize for Complementary Medicine at the Riksdag in Stockholm for his pioneering contributions of medical hyperthermia to complementary medicine in Sweden. Dr. Saupe is also a member of the ICHS (International Clinical Hyperthermia Society) and the DGO (German Society for Oncology). The father of three sons, Dr. Saupe lives in Bad Emstal, near Kassel, Germany.
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Audio Transcript
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00:00:37:09 – 00:01:15:13
Nathan Crane
Welcome to the podcast, everybody. Today we are talking about all things holistic cancer medicine. Why we’re seeing such an uptick in cancer. We’re going to talk about what is holistic actually means. We are going to talk about cancer prevention and cancer reversal from a holistic perspective. What’s possible, what does the science say, and what is our leading researchers and scientists and doctors who are treating patients actually seeing firsthand with being able to help people empower their own bodies to heal from cancer?
00:01:15:13 – 00:01:24:05
Nathan Crane
And today on the podcast, I’m super excited to welcome Dr. Henning Saupe all the way from Germany. Dr. Saupe, thanks for joining us.
00:01:25:05 – 00:01:34:23
Dr. Henning Saupe
Thank you. Nathan Crane, It’s an honor and a great pleasure to be with you today and to discuss this very, very important topic.
00:01:35:13 – 00:01:54:00
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s my honor and my pleasure. As we were talking previously, just behind the scenes a little bit. I mean, I’ve seen your work and followed your work for years. Super excited that we get to connect now and talk deeply about it. I know you just published a new book called Holistic Cancer Medicine. Let’s start there.
00:01:54:00 – 00:02:21:22
Nathan Crane
So not everyone realizes what holistic actually means. And I think partly because maybe there are different definitions of holistic depending on who you talk to. You know, one of my main missions in life, and have been for years is to bring holistic medicine, holistic health care, and holistic lifestyle into the mainstream. Living and learning about holistic health has totally transformed my life for the better.
00:02:21:22 – 00:02:46:23
Nathan Crane
And many of the thousands of people that we work with all around the world, including cancer patients. And so when I say the word holistic, I’m talking about what I call the seven tenets of holistic health, which I, reframed from Ohio State University’s nine dimensions of wellness and condensed into seven based on all the research and experience that I’ve had over the past 17 years.
00:02:47:07 – 00:03:15:00
Nathan Crane
And that’s mental. Mental-emotional is one physical, spiritual vocation or financial, relational, and environmental. Right. And so looking at all of these areas of our life and health and wellness is is critically important to living a truly healthy life. Oftentimes we just focus on the physical and we forget about the mental, and emotional and don’t realize that those two are actually deeply interconnected or vice versa.
00:03:15:01 – 00:03:41:17
Nathan Crane
We become very spiritual beings and live a beautifully spiritual life. But forget about the financial side or the environmental side. And so, you know, and as you know, working with cancer patients, it’s really, really important that actually, we address the entire poor person in every aspect of their life because cancer is a multifaceted disease that manifests in the body from often all of these different areas.
00:03:41:17 – 00:03:50:02
Nathan Crane
So can you start there and talk about when you say holistic medicine or the word holistic, what is your framework for that?
00:03:51:03 – 00:04:34:24
Dr. Henning Saupe
Well, thank you for that very important question right at the beginning. Holistic is a great word and comes from the word Holon, which is everything that is the whole spectrum of things in God’s universe, everything. So holistic means that we open our interest and the spectrum of questions for literally everything There is everything that makes sense to ask if a problem occurs that is as severe and important to look at, and life’s important as cancer and as you already said, cancer is a very complex, multifaceted disease.
00:04:34:24 – 00:05:09:19
Dr. Henning Saupe
So it deserves to be looked at from all sides. And holistic means we’re open, we have many perspectives. We look from every possible viewpoint, from every possible view angle on the phenomenon of cancer. And keep on asking the question, what has happened, Why does it happen, and what would be needed to reverse it or to guide it back into balance and harmony in what we call health?
00:05:09:19 – 00:05:51:01
Dr. Henning Saupe
Let me tell you in other words, that is the opposite of holistic and that was used as the philosophical background at the university. I studied medicine at 30 years ago in Germany and still is the leading approach or philosophy behind Western world medicine. And it’s the word reductionistic. So reductionistic is if you make your view very, very narrow and only look at the tiny little part of reality and cut off everything else.
00:05:51:09 – 00:06:21:03
Dr. Henning Saupe
And that is exactly one of the pitfalls that I experience in modern ecology, that the approach, if you go to a world-leading hospital doesn’t matter in the States, in Germany and France and England, even in Asia, it’s everywhere. The same approach and approach. It directly goes to the cancer cell and looks at how can we block this cell and what actions do we need to kill it.
00:06:21:17 – 00:06:51:21
Dr. Henning Saupe
That’s the tumor-focused, reductionistic approach became the leading approach since probably 150 years back in time when medicine became more and more reductionistic and more and more materialistic. That means spiritual, emotional, psychological dimensions were just not respected any longer were ignored. And the focus went more and more and more to the cell as if the cell was the only reason for the disease.
00:06:52:02 – 00:07:21:08
Dr. Henning Saupe
But it’s not. So. The holistic approach does not only look at the tumor, it looks at the entire complex system around the tumor, which is the human being, which is the complex, the complexity of biochemical reactions around the tool. More like we will talk more about like toxicity, inflammation, oxygen level, etc., the biology around to a work that defines the biological terrain.
00:07:22:00 – 00:07:47:19
Dr. Henning Saupe
So the first thing I want to mention, what what is different in the holistic approach compared to the reductionistic approach is we do not only look at the cancer cell, we look at the entire terrain around the cancer cell that obviously allows the cell to grow and to multiply and to grow into a larger and larger lump that eventually becomes a life-threatening issue in the human body.
00:07:48:04 – 00:08:14:13
Dr. Henning Saupe
And the problem is not only located inside the cell, the problem is located as much in the terrain around it as probably in the cell, too. And both aspects, the tumor centered and the terrain focus. That aspect together makes it a holistic approach. So yes, we are interested in tumor cells for sure, but we are also interested in everything around it.
00:08:14:22 – 00:08:38:20
Dr. Henning Saupe
The food we eat, the toxins we have been exposed to, the way we get rid of toxins, the quality of water we drink, etc., etc. So holistic is wide open interest to everything that matters versus reductionistic which throws away 99% of the information and then only stares at the cell as if that was the only problem we had to deal with.
00:08:38:20 – 00:09:10:16
Nathan Crane
So a very simple game we could play would be to ask the question, you know, has this reduction esthetic approach to health and disease, has it actually worked? Has it made things better? We know that kind of the reductionistic model has been the predominant model for the past hundred-plus years right here in Western medical medicine and conventional medicine.
00:09:11:02 – 00:09:46:00
Nathan Crane
We know that a lot of the holistic medicine that was around for centuries was devalued and was intentional, you know, swept under the rug for the pharmacological approach and the pharmacological approach is the reductionist model, right? Which is let’s find one molecule that attacks the cancer cells or let’s find one molecule that reduces the blood pressure or that triggers this response in the body or whatever.
00:09:46:05 – 00:10:10:09
Nathan Crane
Let’s find that one so-called cure for whatever disease it is. And what we can see if we just play this little thought experiment, plays a little thought game and ask the question, Has that approach, which has pretty much-dominated medicine for a century now, if not longer, has it actually made things better? Are we any closer to a cure?
00:10:10:09 – 00:10:36:22
Nathan Crane
And have we seen disease rates actually go down instead of go up over the past hundred years? And the answer is absolutely not. Cancer prevalence in 1905 was believed to be about 0.05%, right? Less than 1% in 1950, we saw that skyrocket to 10%. And now we see it here in the western world, United States as well as in developed countries.
00:10:36:22 – 00:11:11:17
Nathan Crane
It’s almost at 50% of people. Right. So cancer has skyrocketed, heart disease has skyrocketed, diabetes has skyrocketed, and autoimmune disease has skyrocketed. All of these primarily diet and lifestyle-related diseases, diseases that are primarily preventable that we could call metabolic diseases have skyrocketed beyond belief. At the same time that trillions and literally trillions of dollars have been invested into, you know, the pharmacological reductionistic, what we now call conventional medical approach.
00:11:12:02 – 00:11:21:16
Nathan Crane
So has it gotten better? The simple answer is no. So if if that doesn’t work, then why are we still doing it? That’s the question.
00:11:22:10 – 00:11:57:11
Dr. Henning Saupe
Yeah, I guess there is only one answer to that, and that is because many people earn money from the drugs that are distributed by medical doctors that make their career with the research that is financed by the companies that earn the money. And that’s a waterproof, vicious circle. And it keeps on spinning now for approximately 100 years and the trend that you just shared with us is shocking proof for that.
00:11:57:11 – 00:12:36:21
Dr. Henning Saupe
No, we’re not in control of this disease or the family of diseases that are called cancerous diseases. Let me, for the sake of being complete and pay some or give some honor to some credit to pharmaceutical inventions, mentioned that, yes, in some corners we have made progress. Progress with modern drugs that, for instance, there is one particular disease called chronic myeloid leukemia, one of the many leukemias and scientists found out that this particular leukemia is based on one G or a gene impairment.
00:12:37:08 – 00:13:10:00
Dr. Henning Saupe
And then they found a drug that inhibited an enzyme that is overactive. And the lymphocytes and the white blood cells of patients suffering from chronic myeloid leukemia and that drug inhibits a thyroxine kinase, an enzyme. And with this one drug, you can manage one disease, chronic myeloid leukemia. So APPLAUSE In this corner of oncology, modern science and therapy, based on the pharmaceutical is very successful.
00:13:10:12 – 00:13:15:18
Nathan Crane
So when you say manage cancer, like what? What are the actual results of that?
00:13:15:18 – 00:13:46:04
Dr. Henning Saupe
Well, as long as you ingest a tablet of this tyrosine kinase inhibitor a day, you can expect that the CS goes into remission, and remains dormant because you reach this one gene impairment that this disease is based on. But that’s what the message to our audience today is. This is an exception. This is this disease is called cancer. It’s one of the many types of blood cancer, but it’s an exception.
00:13:46:04 – 00:14:17:00
Dr. Henning Saupe
It’s the simplest and best-understood type of leukemia based on one single gene impairment. And that’s the exception because most cancer is diseases. The big name, the big diseases of our time, prostate cancer, breast cancer, colon cancer, lung cancer do not come with one gene impairment, but with a couple of hundred or many hundred gene impairments. And that alone makes it crystal clear that we will never develop two or 300 different enzyme blockers.
00:14:17:00 – 00:14:51:15
Dr. Henning Saupe
And by the way, every patient represents its own subtype of cancer monitoring. Cancer scientists tell us that Peter is prostate cancer is very different from Michael is prostate cancer and John has a different type. So every constellation of gene impairments in that cancer is a disease that takes place in one organ is very different. So the message was that chronic myeloid leukemia is a relatively simple disease and can be managed, can be kept at bay by taking one pill a day for the rest of your life.
00:14:53:04 – 00:15:19:23
Dr. Henning Saupe
But that is not going to happen with all the other diseases that are so much more complex, many hundred times more complex in its genetic background than there’s one type of leukemia. I just wanted to honor that. If you said we have not changed anything yet, there there are some tiny, giant changes. And for the ones who have a CML, a chronic myeloid leukemia, it’s a blessing that this drug exists for the other 499 types of cancer.
00:15:19:23 – 00:15:50:15
Dr. Henning Saupe
If we say it’s roughly 500 different types of cancer in the family of cancerous diseases, sorry, we do not have this one blocker and we will probably never have it because of the complexity of the disease. So all the basic types of cancer that matter in the matter in modern society prostate, breast, colon, colon, digestive tract, cancer, pancreatic, gallbladder and lung cancer will not be kept at bay with one or two or three drugs.
00:15:50:15 – 00:16:15:18
Dr. Henning Saupe
That is for sure. That is what scientists tell us. It’s far too complex. So that’s the invitation to widen the spectrum and see it’s not only about the cancer cell, it’s also about the terrain. Why does the terrain support cancer growth and how can we change that support into what is our natural state to control the few cancer cells that everybody produces?
00:16:16:17 – 00:16:45:21
Dr. Henning Saupe
Another stunning truth is that it was published, to my knowledge, around 2025 years for the first time. Is every human individual produces a few thousand cancer cells every day. That means that everybody has a health system and a self-healing program and our immune system in the self-regulative system of our body that keeps these unwanted cells under control.
00:16:46:00 – 00:17:11:00
Dr. Henning Saupe
Otherwise everybody would develop cancer. Thank God. Not every everybody develops cancer. So the ones who still are healthy and have not received the diagnosed can say, I produce a few thousand cancer cells today, but my body is strong enough to find these cells and to take care of the cells that out of my immune system and my self-healing capacity and eliminate the cells the same day they occurred.
00:17:11:08 – 00:17:59:16
Dr. Henning Saupe
And this is the healthy system of a healthy person. We call it homeostasis, the self-regulation of man based on a number of vitality factors that represent the core picture or the core message. In my book, Holistic Cancer Medicine, where I describe vitality or the self-healing capacity of man in 12 sections and explain how we can work on our self-healing capacity, on our vitality so that we either stay healthy and do not develop a cancerous disease, or in case you already develop it, activate our self-healing system again so that our body can control unwanted cancer growth.
00:18:00:16 – 00:18:30:10
Nathan Crane
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00:18:30:10 – 00:19:01:14
Nathan Crane
I’m just giving it to you for free. You can go download it at becoming cancer free dot com. All right, let’s get back to the show. Exactly. So a couple of things I want to address. One is the the idea that we all have cancer cells inside of us every single day. I’ve been saying this for years as I discovered this, you know, years ago from so many great doctors like yourself and scientists who have studied cancer for decades, that we have cancer every single day.
00:19:01:14 – 00:19:25:02
Nathan Crane
Right. You just said thousands of cells each day. And so it’s nothing to, you know, for the average person, we become incredibly afraid of cancer. And that’s what happened to me when my grandfather was diagnosed. And I didn’t know what to do or what to say. And then he, you know, did the conventional treatment of chemotherapy and radiation and it basically killed him, destroyed his immune system, and he died.
00:19:25:11 – 00:19:53:15
Nathan Crane
And that’s very often. Right. Most cancer patients actually don’t die from cancer. They most cancer patients actually die from heart disease is what they say. But I would go deeper as to theorize that what often kills cancer patients much earlier in their lives is the treatment that destroys the immune system. Because just like you said, we need a fully functioning immune system to fight off cancer cells, which is what it does every single day.
00:19:53:20 – 00:20:06:05
Nathan Crane
And if we destroy that, which is what chemotherapy radiation does, it does kill cancer cells. It doesn’t it doesn’t kill cancer stem cells. And we can talk about the difference in the importance of that in a because I think that’s really important.
00:20:06:15 – 00:20:07:05
Dr. Henning Saupe
Very important.
00:20:07:13 – 00:20:32:01
Nathan Crane
Right. Because cancer can easily come back if these cancer stem cells are not destroyed, which we know chemotherapy radiation does not kill cancer stem cells. So the fact that we destroy the immune system with carcinogenic treatments, chemotherapy, and radiation is a carcinogenic treatment, meaning it causes cancer. At the same time, it’s killing cancer and destroying your immune system.
00:20:32:01 – 00:20:59:14
Nathan Crane
We can talk about the nuances of that because I think that’s quite fascinating. But we live with cancer every single day, and I’ll share a graph for those who are watching and those who are only listening. We can explain it. But this is basically from cancer cells in the body. It’s it’s generally understood as is generally everybody’s a little bit different, but it’s generally understood that cancer cells, active cancer cells double in number about every 90 days.
00:20:59:14 – 00:21:20:10
Nathan Crane
Right. So if you had two cells at 90 days in one year, if it’s not if your body’s not removing these cells. Right. You would have 16 cells in two years, you have 256 cells and three years you’d have almost 5000 cells. In four years you’d have 65,000 cells in five years of this. Let’s say this is a tumor that’s developing right?
00:21:21:01 – 00:21:47:03
Nathan Crane
In five years, you’d have over a million cells at that point with most conventional, most conventional cancer testing. It is still undetectable. Now, there are some new tests and maybe you can talk about some of those to some people who are concerned about maybe cancer, you know, preventatively One sees, because there are some really early testing now that’s, you know, the Greek test.
00:21:47:03 – 00:22:06:07
Nathan Crane
We could talk about that or some other kinds of tests, maybe, you know, some great ones that can detect much earlier. But by the time it’s doubled 32 times, that’s in about eight years. That’s generally when it’s detected, meaning cancer has been forming in your body for years and in some cases decades before you even discover it.
00:22:07:01 – 00:22:34:07
Nathan Crane
And. Right. And so if we actually have a fully functioning immune system, we start we basically stop that, that doubling process. We have new cancer cells because of mitochondrial die off and damage, etc.. We can talk about that. And but our body, you know, recycles repairs, removes those cells and we live, you know, a healthy, normal life. It’s when our immune system’s inhibited.
00:22:34:07 – 00:22:54:24
Nathan Crane
It’s not doing its job properly. We’ve got damage going on. We’ve got all kinds of issues and stress and toxins and chemicals, and then that cancer grows out of control and then all of a sudden you have a diagnosis and there’s so much fear around it because we are not taught about cancer. What is it? What causes it?
00:22:54:24 – 00:23:21:20
Nathan Crane
Where does it come from? Right. All we know as a society is, oh, my my grandpa had cancer. I watched his hair fall out. He got really sick. He was very weak. He lost all his weight. He basically lay it on a deathbed and died. That’s basically right. I mean, I’m simplifying it, but that’s basically the what’s in our modern global psyche of what cancer is.
00:23:22:04 – 00:23:23:17
Nathan Crane
And in fact, that’s not what cancer is at.
00:23:23:17 – 00:24:07:18
Dr. Henning Saupe
All right. So the question is very important and spot on. Let’s answer, please. What is cancer? So what if first, it’s already sad. It’s something that occurs in every human body, in every animal body, all the time. So amongst the 100 trillion cells that form my body and your body and everybody’s body, there will always be some cells every day that fall into a and into an impaired reproduction program because of damage of shortage of energy or shortage of oxygen or overload of toxins or aging.
00:24:08:01 – 00:24:41:19
Dr. Henning Saupe
Aging is a risk factor for our cells after many, many generations of the copies of the DNA are not made perfect. We are in and contain some genetic mistakes, some deviations. So cancer is a natural deviation of the healthy life form as a consequence of chronic stress or aging. Now, 80-year-old man are very likely to have prostate cancer.
00:24:41:19 – 00:25:05:08
Dr. Henning Saupe
It’s almost a given thing that if you dig deep enough into a prostate of an aged gentleman, you will always find a little bit of cancer. That does not mean that this gentleman needs to die from this disease, but having it the same is true for thyroid. If you if you screen for periods of aged people, it’s very likely that you find a cancerous spot.
00:25:05:08 – 00:25:27:05
Dr. Henning Saupe
There. And that does not mean that that that these individuals all die from cancer. What I want to say is that aging in itself is something that makes it more and more likely that cancer cells develop in your body because of, let’s say, a shortage of vital energy and accumulation of toxicity or more and more unwanted IT inflammation.
00:25:27:17 – 00:26:06:00
Nathan Crane
So let’s let’s clarify there. So is it actually aging or is it the modern lifestyle that we live coupled with years and years and years of that of that exposure to those things that cause inflammation that lead to cancer? Right. Because I think that that can be slightly confusing. We say, well, it’s just aging well. Even if we were perfectly like eating the most healthy diet and away from toxins and living in a completely organic lifestyle and, you know, living the most healthy ideal lifestyle you possibly could, is it inevitable that we end up with cancer at 80, 90 or 100?
00:26:06:00 – 00:26:07:16
Nathan Crane
Is it just inevitable.
00:26:08:03 – 00:26:08:19
Dr. Henning Saupe
Or.
00:26:09:08 – 00:26:13:21
Nathan Crane
Is it the accumulation of time plus a toxic lifestyle?
00:26:14:06 – 00:26:46:02
Dr. Henning Saupe
It’s, of course, the latter. It’s the act. It’s the combination of both. And if we go on to extreme examples, let’s say centenarians who enjoy their life and are 100, 200, 102 years old, what I’ve read is that if you would do an an intensive diagnostic where the with a healthy centenarian, yes, you would very likely find cancer in the prostate, in the breast, in the thyroid.
00:26:46:10 – 00:27:13:14
Dr. Henning Saupe
But is that a disease? It’s a good question. It’s almost a philosophical question. And if a healthy centenarian is found with some cancerous nodules in his thyroid or in this prostate, I leave it open to to the audience how to call it. Is this health or is this disease? I would say if you have made it 100 years and you’re still riding your wits and enjoy life, then then you’re having a healthy life.
00:27:13:14 – 00:27:37:16
Dr. Henning Saupe
And that is fully compatible with the fact that, yes, you might find some cancer. And and I like this this analogy with the centenarians that they can have cancer and have a good life because cancer does not come from outer space. It’s part of the human condition. It does not fall like a falling star into my body. Who how come?
00:27:37:16 – 00:28:05:14
Dr. Henning Saupe
No, it has been before in my body. And it’s it has been before in my genes as a potential risk. We know today from from experts in genetics that we all have stitched in proto encode genes into our genome. So yes, we have the potential to develop cancer from the beginning of our conception. That is not foreign to the human condition.
00:28:05:14 – 00:28:29:24
Dr. Henning Saupe
It lives within us as a potential. And let me give another analogy. We’re all infected. We all carry thousands of viruses. Is that a disease? Do I have a problem with the herpes viruses that I carry that I got from since I was a child? No. I would not call that a disease because my body is in control of it.
00:28:29:24 – 00:28:57:02
Dr. Henning Saupe
I do not suffer from it and I am in homeostasis. There might be some herpes simplex viruses alongside my my nerves and my spine, but as long as my immune system is strong, as long as I have enough power in my mitochondria, produce enough ATP, inhale enough oxygen, excrete the toxins I produce and I ingest, I’m in balance and I do not suffer from a virus disease.
00:28:57:09 – 00:29:35:04
Dr. Henning Saupe
So I, I give a different or I have learned a different a new way of defining health. It’s homeostasis. It’s not the absence of viruses, it’s not the absence of cancer cells. It’s a body in control and thriving with some ups and some downs. So it’s a complex answer to your question. I would say it’s inevitable that cancer coexists in our body, but let it be something that coexists and does not steal my life, does not conquer my life or threaten my life.
00:29:35:04 – 00:29:56:21
Dr. Henning Saupe
It is something that should be on a very low level. And yes, I would say it’s inevitable that a little bit of cancer will always be around as well as there will always be viruses. It belongs to life on our planet. We will not. We will never have a sterile world, Thanks God, because there all of these bugs are needed for something in nature.
00:29:57:09 – 00:30:24:09
Dr. Henning Saupe
And we have to relearned what health is. Again, health is not the absence of cancer cells or viruses. Health is being in balance and empowered to continue to have a creative and joyful life with a little bit of infectious particles in my body. But my immune system is in control and with a little bit of cancer cells. But my immune system is in control.
00:30:24:09 – 00:30:25:18
Dr. Henning Saupe
That’s my definition for health.
00:30:25:21 – 00:30:48:24
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I love it. I love that definition. And what I hear you speaking on is basically quality of life, right? If you have if you’re symptom free or or symptom less or very few symptoms. Right. And you had a tumor, for example, but that tumor wasn’t in your colon. It wasn’t blocking your ability to remove stool from your body.
00:30:48:24 – 00:31:14:15
Nathan Crane
Right. It wasn’t pressing up against the frontal lobe of your brain and causing cognitive issues. If it you know, most cancers are, like you said, of the breast. Now, prostate can be aggressive and can cause some issues and some symptoms, but many, many, many millions of cancers, in fact, actually, people who have cancer or who’ve had cancer have very few, if any, symptoms, certainly not until stage four or until it’s metastasized.
00:31:14:15 – 00:31:43:02
Nathan Crane
And maybe it’s in the bone and maybe it’s painful, etc.. Right. So I’m not downplaying somebody who has cancer that has pain or symptoms. It certainly exists. But you can live and I know people who’ve lived with tumors for years and their quality of life was amazing because they chose to implement all of these holistic lifestyle tenants, which actually gave them more energy, more clarity of mind, gave them more fulfillment in life, and they started to exercise more.
00:31:43:02 – 00:32:15:05
Nathan Crane
In eating better. You eat better, you feel better, you sleep better. You know, they dialed into a more spiritual, purposeful, driven life, which brings you joy and fulfillment. And over time, that tumor actually stopped growing. And in some cases, it starts regressing, right, Because you’re doing all the things that actually allow your body to eliminate the cancer. So, you know, we’re not saying that’s guaranteed and for everybody, but that’s that’s what I hear you speaking on is looking at quality of life.
00:32:15:14 – 00:32:38:09
Nathan Crane
Now, what happens what happens with a lot of people who follow conventional medicine for cancer is the quality of life gets completely destroyed. Right. And people think of hair falling out. That’s cancer. That’s not cancer. That’s conventional treatment. That is your immune system being destroyed. That is your your hair literally falling out because those drugs are so toxic to your body.
00:32:38:21 – 00:32:57:04
Nathan Crane
And so and I don’t want to come across as someone who’s against conventional medicine because I’m not you know, you got a parasite that won’t go away. And no matter what you do, you know, there are some antiparasitic drugs you could take for a couple of weeks and boom, you’re good to go, right? Like there are some penicillin has been a lifesaver.
00:32:57:04 – 00:33:15:20
Nathan Crane
There are some some drugs, as you said, for cancer that can be helpful. There are some off label drugs that can be helpful. Right. With an integrative approach. Certainly I get a car rack in my arm, gets cut off. Pray to God that never happens. But I want to be in it. I want to be in a surgeon’s office right away getting treatment.
00:33:15:20 – 00:33:34:16
Nathan Crane
You know what I mean? So conventional medical. But when we’re talking about lifestyle related chronic diseases, this is where we see the least effectiveness. And so you’re a medical doctor yourself. Let’s talk a little bit about your background. You know, as a medical doctor, what got you into holistic medicine?
00:33:36:02 – 00:34:06:21
Dr. Henning Saupe
Well, as a kid at school and eventually at grammar school, I was interested in life sciences, biology, chemistry, psychology, eventually. And I found it fascinating to study what the human condition is about and what it means for a human body to stay healthy. And when I was a kid, I had a good friend who who’s whose father was a holistic national plastic doctor in the town.
00:34:06:21 – 00:34:37:20
Dr. Henning Saupe
I grew up in an all in southern Germany, and I was fascinated by his father’s knowledge about herbs and healthy food and homeopathy and basic medicine and energy medicine, movement therapy integrated with the spiritual aspects of health and healing. So that became a very interesting and intriguing figure, too, for me in my life that I looked up to and said, Well, this is something I would like to do in my life.
00:34:38:10 – 00:35:11:09
Dr. Henning Saupe
And that’s the way I choose to continue with. I studied medicine and in all in southern Germany. I started in 1984 and seven years later I got my degree from University of Rome and I made a PhD in psychotherapy and worked for some years in urology and psych psychiatry at the university clinic. But then I found out that this is not what I wanted to continue with this reductionistic philosophy didn’t sit any longer with me.
00:35:11:09 – 00:35:46:08
Dr. Henning Saupe
In fact, it didn’t fit from the beginning. So after two years of of practicing medicine at the university, cleaning it all on, I left the university world and studied holistic medicine at a medical doctor in the vicinity that I knew from from many years back in time and tended to or seminars in holistic medicine. And then a few years later, I started my own private practice offering naturopathic therapies and a natural basic ballistic approach.
00:35:46:16 – 00:36:19:07
Dr. Henning Saupe
And ever since that day there was not one man for or I should probably say one week where I didn’t learn something new about the complexity of life and what what can be used to help people to regain their inner balance, to regain their power and and to work with their self-healing capacity. And throughout the last 25, 30 years, I went into many different corners of holistic medicine.
00:36:19:07 – 00:37:07:07
Dr. Henning Saupe
I studied a detoxification pathway of nutritional medicine, plant based medicine, immunology or physical devices like magnetic field stimulation for improvement of microcirculation and detoxification, etcetera, etcetera. Hypothermia, which is a very powerful tool in the toolbox of a holistic doctor to work with heat or with warmth, to create fever under controlled circumstances, hypothermia, really a big chapter also in my book, because it’s it’s a wonderful energy therapy technique that you can add to many other techniques and they become stronger.
00:37:07:07 – 00:37:10:20
Dr. Henning Saupe
So it’s a good synergy, partnered together with product based treatments.
00:37:11:03 – 00:37:33:13
Nathan Crane
And now let’s let’s talk about hypothermia for a little bit there. I’m glad you mention it because one, you know, if not facilitated safely under proper guidance, it could be very dangerous. Right. But at the same time, hypothermia works because cancer cells die under extreme heat. Is that right?
00:37:34:13 – 00:38:02:23
Dr. Henning Saupe
That is right. But Again, I need to add some more information on the heat. We need to kill cancer with only heat is pretty high in centigrade. It would be 44 or 45 degrees centigrade. That would be, I guess, around 110 Fahrenheit, which is a lot. And the problem is how can we get the cancers to more to that temperature level without doing too much harm around it so that.
00:38:02:23 – 00:38:23:08
Nathan Crane
When you’re talking, you’re talking about heating up the inside of the body. Right. The 110, which is why we’re not talking about external heat like going into a sauna at 170 degrees is, you know, to heat up the internal part of the body. That’s where things get tricky and potentially dangerous. Right.
00:38:24:08 – 00:38:54:16
Dr. Henning Saupe
So what I learned in the last 15 years by attending conferences on hypothermia treatment is that hypothermia is many things at the same time, it’s it’s a detox therapy. It’s a way to stimulate our immune system to wake up damaged immune cells, for instance, after chemotherapy. It’s it’s a it’s a offers many benefits to the 2 to 1 suffering from fatigue syndrome after chemotherapy.
00:38:54:16 – 00:39:42:08
Dr. Henning Saupe
But it’s an enhancement for other therapies that you use parallel to it, like intravenous injections. If that is vitamin C or Chinese wormwood or turmeric or a standard drug does not matter. There are many studies published that if our ecology colleagues, the ecologists, if they would add hypothermia to their standard chemotherapy programs, they would get better results. It’s published in world leading journals like The Lancet and British Medical Journal, but it’s very little used because of a lot of sponsoring in the lobby, but that hypothermia is an on therapy that enhances the pharmaceutical effects of all parallel giving treatments.
00:39:42:08 – 00:40:07:18
Dr. Henning Saupe
And of course, we choose not drugs, but it could be used in a regular set up at an oncology clinic using standard chemotherapy. They could save dosages and they could on if their patients a less a less troublesome treatment experience with less side effects and faster recovery. But it’s very little down there. There was a few clinics in in the United States.
00:40:07:18 – 00:40:45:12
Dr. Henning Saupe
You university conducted studies with hypothermia and the Anderson did it, but then they turned it down again because of lack of financing. That was the only reason. So hypothermia can be done in different ways. One way would be general holding hypothermia with infrared lamps. We do that at our clinic once a week for general detoxification, immune stimulation, general recovery of damaged tissues, mostly because of a better oxygen turnover and better detoxification and as I said, enhancement of parallel infusions.
00:40:46:02 – 00:41:20:13
Dr. Henning Saupe
And then there is another way to work with hypothermia that we call local hypothermia, where we use radio waves with a special device and special applicator that warms up the reach of what a tumor is located to higher temperatures. And that’s what I meant in my life. And a few minutes ago when I said we need high temperatures to achieve a thyroid cancer killing aside from heat and that is inside the tumor, would that would be at a temperature of around 43 or 44 centigrade.
00:41:20:13 – 00:41:51:03
Dr. Henning Saupe
And help me what that is in Fahrenheit, I guess it’s around 210 to 111 Fahrenheit, which is not easily achieved. You need a special equipment, but this equipment is there. It’s available in Europe. Many countries allow their medical doctors to use it, but some countries have difficulties to integrate it into their medical system because it’s very expensive studies that would be needed to approve it and to get it for federal approval in your country.
00:41:51:03 – 00:42:19:11
Dr. Henning Saupe
It would be the FDA that would require very expensive and large clinical studies to allow it to be used for everybody. And we’re far away with that. In Germany, the German speaking countries, Switzerland, Austria, where medical doctors are allowed to use it as an add on therapy. The law says as long as it does no harm to the patient and as long as the patient is fully informed and chooses to be treated with it.
00:42:19:16 – 00:42:33:01
Dr. Henning Saupe
We have no legal issues in my country, so that’s why we use hypothermia for all our treatments as a as an enhancement strategy in both the device that is the.
00:42:33:01 – 00:42:39:21
Nathan Crane
Device you use. Is it what is it? What’s the device? It’s a targeted device. Right towards.
00:42:39:21 – 00:43:10:04
Dr. Henning Saupe
Yes, but the local hyperthermia device are very special devices that are designed by bio physicists. There are companies in Italy and Hungary, in Germany, Japan that are specialized in this very special scale of developing devices. They work with radio wave frequency of around 13.56 megahertz, which is a little lower than a microwave oven and a kitchen. Please don’t use microwave ovens.
00:43:10:04 – 00:43:42:13
Dr. Henning Saupe
They destroy the healthy part of our food. But if you want to compare it with a device that you know off, it’s a little bit like a microwave oven, but with the low frequency and the technique behind is that physicists found out some 30, 40 years ago that cancer cells go into resonance at this frequency. And resonance means they pick up the energy and transform the energy into heat, whereas healthy cells around tomorrow do not resonate at this frequency.
00:43:42:13 – 00:44:19:18
Dr. Henning Saupe
And do not overheat. So if you have a liver metastases and expose it to radio waves with one of these local hyperthermia devices, you kind of warm up the metastases inside the liver to around 44, 45 degrees centigrade. Again, I guess it’s about 110 Fahrenheit on reading 11 maybe without doing harm to the healthy cells around. And that’s a fascinating physical law based on the law of resonance of the physical components and the absorption spectrum of a cancer cell is different compared to a healthy cell.
00:44:19:24 – 00:44:42:09
Dr. Henning Saupe
And that’s why we can expose the entire liver. We take that as an example to the radio waves, but only to where the metastasis is. The resonance creates vibration and friction of the molecules and an overheating of the tumor, and the healthy part is hardly overheated at all. So we have a specific overheating of cancerous tissues inside our body with local hyperthermia.
00:44:42:24 – 00:45:15:12
Dr. Henning Saupe
And yes, we could use this as a standalone treatment, but it is even more effective if we combine it with infusions parallel to to the hypothermia treatment. So a standard therapy, hypothermia infusion is that we work on for one hour on on the region where a tumor is located. The applicator exact sizes from, let’s say, four inches to a maybe 20 inches in diameter.
00:45:15:12 – 00:45:54:17
Dr. Henning Saupe
So we can choose between different sizes of applicators and expose region to the harmless radio waves. And where the tumor is, the radio waves are transformed into heat and that damages the tumors together with the infusion that has a higher penetration and a warm body. That’s a secondary, very important factor. Factor. Serbia. If you add an infusion to it, you can expect the higher uptake of the drug where you want it to be an inside to work because of the widening of the blood vessels and a better perfusion or blood flow into the tomorrow.
00:45:55:08 – 00:46:04:02
Dr. Henning Saupe
So it’s a fascinating our analysts therapy that we use to enhance the effect of our infusions.
00:46:04:18 – 00:46:33:03
Nathan Crane
When you’re using natural infusions, which also you know, these are plant based fusions that have anti-cancer properties. Right. That many of these things, whether it’s high dose vitamin C or, as you said, curcumin from turmeric or, you know, there are many that have anti-inflammatory properties that have, you know, to induce apoptosis, healthy cellular death, you know, help to kill the cancer cells, for example, you know, angiogenesis related genesis.
00:46:33:03 – 00:46:46:18
Nathan Crane
Yep. Reducing the blood flow supply to the cancer cells, to the tumors, for example. And you get these from the plants themselves, right? It starts. And then they don’t have necessarily any side effects either.
00:46:47:07 – 00:47:23:04
Dr. Henning Saupe
We are hardly any plant based infusion therapy does not come with any mentionable side effects. I mean, but we use high dosages of medicine to extract and apply them previously, and that’s maybe the most powerful plant based anti-cancer treatment we do. And there is a growing knowledge and experience with this relatively new field of using medicine to extract not only just to balance the immune system through an intra subcutaneous injection, but now through an intravenous administration with higher quantities.
00:47:23:12 – 00:47:44:16
Dr. Henning Saupe
And it’s a it’s a fantastic plant based chemotherapy with very little side effects. If we talk about side effects in mistletoe, we see sometimes allergic reactions, skin reactions that we manage with an antihistamine. So compared to the side effects of chemotherapy, it’s almost nothing.
00:47:45:04 – 00:48:16:11
Nathan Crane
Let me ask you this and your years of clinical experience, what kind of case studies have you seen firsthand where someone came to you with a stage three or stage four cancer or any kind? And they they wanted to do 100% holistic. What what kind of case studies can you share where you literally saw the cancer completely reversed and no more cancer direct, detectable.
00:48:16:11 – 00:48:24:06
Nathan Crane
You see that often? How often? How many cases, if you can think of or even share some some significant ones that would be of interest.
00:48:25:11 – 00:49:07:08
Dr. Henning Saupe
I have a few exceptional cases that qualify for for what you just said, but I would say it’s it’s an exception. So and the problem or the difficult word, you you gave me was completely and I must be totally honest and totally open that this does not happen so often. The complete disappearance and complete remission, no evidence of disease when you only use plant based drugs and remedies and detox and lifestyle changes is not what happens too often in the kinds of patients that I see and the type of patients that call me are most of the time intensively pretreated.
00:49:08:10 – 00:49:35:19
Dr. Henning Saupe
So they have an average a year or a couple of years intensive chemotherapy, immunotherapy, drugs behind radiation surgery, not the best food. So the type of cancer that I see, the type of patients that I see is a difficult group of cancer patients that are intensively pretreated and come to my clinic in a stage four. Sometimes I would say stage four plus.
00:49:35:19 – 00:49:36:00
Dr. Henning Saupe
Yeah.
00:49:36:19 – 00:49:48:08
Nathan Crane
They’re very they’re very sick. They’ve been sick for a long time. On top of that, their immune systems have been completely wiped out by the treatments and basically contact you as a last hope.
00:49:48:18 – 00:50:16:23
Dr. Henning Saupe
Exactly. I have a few exceptions when patients come a little earlier and I would say 70, 80% come intensively pretreated. And in the latest stage, I and maybe 20% come a little earlier and some very few patients come when they have not received any traditional treatment at all. And again, the most challenging word you gave me was complete disappearance.
00:50:17:04 – 00:50:46:04
Dr. Henning Saupe
And if that was so easy, I would be more than glad. But I’ve been working in this field now for more than 25 years, and that’s why my answer is I do not aim at no evidence of disease if it happens, everybody is happy and happy and we thank God and we are deeply that it happened. But I a little lower and I have reasons to do that.
00:50:46:04 – 00:51:09:03
Dr. Henning Saupe
And what I mean is I aim at stability with a good quality of life. And I lowered the pressure of those of my patients who come in stage four with multiple metastases, intensively pretreated, worn down immune system because of chemotherapy, and say, Well, I wished I could give you the cure, but most likely I can’t give you the cure.
00:51:09:03 – 00:51:41:03
Dr. Henning Saupe
But let’s do everything possible to add many valuable years to your life with a good quality of life. And let’s accept that it’s about thriving with cancer, and it’s unlikely that you ever will be in no evidence of disease. This is a tough message, but it’s an honest message and it makes the work easier and it lowers the pressure of my many of my dear patients where this is just a very realistic assessment.
00:51:41:19 – 00:52:16:07
Dr. Henning Saupe
I have nothing against the complete remission. I have nothing against the spontaneous remission. But it doesn’t happen too often. And with this mindset, I have a growing number of patients who have been in their fourth, in their fifth, in their eighth, in their 10th, in their 15th year, thriving with cancer. And that is the message out to our audience today that there is a secondary goal worthwhile living for and working for, which is a good life with cancer.
00:52:16:14 – 00:52:43:17
Dr. Henning Saupe
Accepting that the complete disappearance of cancer might be very, very difficult or just unlikely to happen. And what I speak about right now is stage four, multiple metastasis, chronic cancer. And so why do I bring this mindset and why do I speak with my patients so openly and honestly? Because I learned that if you don’t do it, you are in a dangerous spot.
00:52:44:02 – 00:53:23:10
Dr. Henning Saupe
You might risk your life by believing that if I just do one more chemotherapy, I must hit back, hit back aggressively, and then then I will win the war against cancer. And my message is, wait a moment. It’s not a war. It’s about your life. It’s about protecting your valuable life. We’re not in warfare. We try to achieve the complex balance of life and add many, many good things to your life so that you get back your healthy balance and can live in harmony together with a little bit of cancer.
00:53:23:10 – 00:53:53:18
Dr. Henning Saupe
So how many have I seen in complete remission? A few in my life. I would say less than ten in my entire life. Complete remission from only natural passive treatments. And every patient in this category is a little miracle. Now, to reverse stage three, Stage four cancer down to non-visible is a fantastic result, but it’s impossible to to create it.
00:53:53:18 – 00:54:24:05
Dr. Henning Saupe
Like we created a thing. It’s it’s it’s beyond science. Actually, I would say to if I if I turn your question into an easier one, how many of you respond with a remission, with a partial remission, with an improvement of quality of life, with better blood values, lower tumor markers, continuation of of being able to live an active life based on natural classic ballistic treatments?
00:54:24:11 – 00:54:27:00
Dr. Henning Saupe
I would dare to say the number is 80 90%.
00:54:27:12 – 00:54:32:12
Nathan Crane
Well, and and I mean, that’s incredible.
00:54:32:12 – 00:55:06:18
Dr. Henning Saupe
But you see, it’s a big difference, if you ask me. Complete disappearance, no evidence of disease or reduction of the symptoms, reduction of the markers, reduction of the measure, little tumor sites with natural passive treatments. It’s a huge difference. So answer to the first question, rare answer to the second question. If I modify your question a little bit and make it a little easier and I’ll maybe go into remission, how many can expect an improvement of vitality and even measurable block parameters like liver values, blood values, two whole markers.
00:55:07:05 – 00:55:35:04
Dr. Henning Saupe
I dare to say the numbers is high. If you do it by the book, and if you don’t come a few weeks before your life ends because of the toxicity and the collapse of your body, because of exploding cancer, would you still have a chance and at the same time are in stage three or stage four? Then the chances are in the range of 70, 80, 90% are to expect a good result.
00:55:35:10 – 00:55:43:24
Dr. Henning Saupe
And then the question is how do we maintain the good result? What is needed to keep this good result alive?
00:55:43:24 – 00:56:15:12
Nathan Crane
So first I want to just say, you know, that’s that’s that’s an incredible milestone to to share with people that with, you know, a holistic approach you can you can see you can potentially see some incredible results of improved quality of life, you know, reduction of cancer or and or biomarkers and as you said, focus on a better quality of life for longer, for more years, even conventional medicine, even chemotherapy, radiation.
00:56:15:20 – 00:56:42:06
Nathan Crane
There are no there are no studies that I’m aware of that show that high of percentages of approval of the cancer, maybe specific cancers, you know, testicular cancer with chemotherapy, I think has a 50% improvement of a five year survival rate when they do those in leukemias. And but when they do those studies, they don’t ever, ever look at quality of life.
00:56:42:06 – 00:57:04:04
Nathan Crane
All they look at is did you survive past five years? They don’t care what happened after that or if the cancer went into remission or complete need no evidence of disease. Did it come back six years later and now it’s metastasized to the lymph nodes in the bones and your stage four, Right. They don’t look at that in those studies.
00:57:04:04 – 00:57:16:23
Nathan Crane
And so people are really misled with a lot of those studies. But even you’re probably aware of one of the largest, you know, meta analysis done on chemotherapy improvement of five year survival numbers.
00:57:17:07 – 00:57:17:18
Dr. Henning Saupe
Yeah.
00:57:17:18 – 00:57:19:22
Nathan Crane
And it’s about 2.3%.
00:57:20:07 – 00:57:21:24
Dr. Henning Saupe
Regular study Australia.
00:57:22:10 – 00:57:32:13
Nathan Crane
When you look at 22 adult malignancies, it’s about 2.3% improvement of five year survival. Looking at chemotherapy as a primary treatment for cancer.
00:57:32:23 – 00:57:54:23
Dr. Henning Saupe
That’s a poor result. And let’s throw up another number. Everybody talks about immune therapy and the word itself is, is misleading because my patients, when they hear immunotherapy, they believe it’s something good for their immune system. But what our colleagues calling it therapy are blockers that are manufactured in a in a way that includes immune cells to produce antibodies.
00:57:55:16 – 00:58:22:10
Dr. Henning Saupe
It’s blocking agents. Again, they block something, they block checkpoints and make the immune system more aggressive towards everything, the cancer, but also healthy cells. Or they block an enzyme, a kinase or a thyroxine kinase, a protein kinase, and let me drop a number that tells it in a in a second, and it’s published in a British medical journal by a child.
00:58:22:10 – 00:59:01:09
Dr. Henning Saupe
SWANTON, a London oncologist, the prestigious scientist and the medical doctor and an ecologist at London University, published two or three years ago. And he summarized the survival rate gain from the 50 plus immunotherapy drugs. It’s mentioned in my book, by the way, I have the reference and the introduction chapter and the number the survival gain. An average of these new immunotherapy drugs is 2.3 months, two months extra life based on these drugs.
00:59:01:16 – 00:59:33:15
Dr. Henning Saupe
And they came they come with substantial side effects, inclusive, lethal side effects. You can after a checkpoint inhibitor treatment, some patients have from aggressive autoimmune side effects. But bleeding, colon, bleeding, hepatitis, autoimmune reactions in various parts of their body. And it’s it’s amazing that we finance it. These therapies cost in average 100 to 200 to $300,000 a patient per treatment cycle.
00:59:34:05 – 00:59:46:13
Dr. Henning Saupe
And the net gain is 2.3 months in average inclusive. Some patients who die before they would have died from their disease, from the side effects. It’s a mind boggling fact.
00:59:46:17 – 01:00:22:22
Nathan Crane
Wow So so do you think they just used the term immunotherapy to kind of co-opt the the the realization that, you know, the immune system is essential for fighting cancer or we call it immunotherapy to make it sound much more natural and kind of get people who want a natural approach, because we know the numbers of people who have been learning about natural medicine and naturopathic medicine, holistic medicine have been increasing significantly year over year as people become more educated and they realize, hey, there are alternative options, there are healthy options that I don’t have to destroy my body with.
01:00:23:07 – 01:00:27:20
Nathan Crane
And so do you think they just kind of came up with that term immunotherapy, that kind of, you know?
01:00:28:08 – 01:00:48:05
Dr. Henning Saupe
Well, I find it very interesting that that doctor speak about immunotherapy and the first thing a patient perceives, oh, that’s something more natural. That’s something that has to do with my immune system. But the fact is, if you take one of the big names KEYTRUDA in Brazil, a map, it’s a checkpoint inhibitor. Why is it called immune therapy?
01:00:48:10 – 01:01:24:08
Dr. Henning Saupe
Because it’s an antibody. The chemical pharmaceutical mechanism it acts like is an antibody, but it’s an artificially produced antibody that comes from a laboratory and that blocks the breaks in our immune system. So with the with with an unblocked immune system, our immune system is very aggressive and attacks cancer cells. But, but every out the cell too, it’s only question of time and dosage when the patient develops autoimmune side effects and that is sold under the name of immune therapy.
01:01:24:08 – 01:01:26:03
Dr. Henning Saupe
It’s very interesting.
01:01:26:03 – 01:01:41:10
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it is very interesting. So another question is okay, is going back to catching a cancer early like a stage one, have you seen better results with a holistic approach?
01:01:41:18 – 01:02:22:16
Dr. Henning Saupe
Of course. Totally different world time against success rates are the longer you have lived with cancer in an undetected form and with your lifestyle style ongoing, that obviously changed your terrain and your vitality system to a system that supports cancer growth. That’s how everything starts out Again. We all we do have cancer inside our body to change. That happens between living with cancer and no symptoms and no diagnosed and becoming a cancer patient is the change has happened in our terrain.
01:02:22:16 – 01:03:13:02
Dr. Henning Saupe
It’s the toxins, it’s the inflammation, it’s the lack of oxygen, it’s the lack of nutrients and the the stress that blocks the immune system, etc., the 12 Vitality Fuels described in my book. So the longer this process has gone on, the more difficult it becomes to reverse it. And that is one of the big problems that we have and why we can’t reverse cancer in everybody when the disease is detected very late and ovarian cancer, for instance, there is hardly any ovarian cancer patients that is diagnosed in a stage one because it does not give any symptoms out and stage two and stage three local and and the metastases in the vicinity of the original
01:03:13:02 – 01:03:56:10
Dr. Henning Saupe
tumor is a very, very short period of time. And then automatically a few days later, it’s already stage four in ovarian cancer. So most patients with ovarian cancer are diagnosed in stage four. That’s how their journey begins. And that’s, of course, very late. Then the problems and the mismatch of of of the inner equilibrium between, let’s say, acidity and alkalinity level oxygenation or inflammation control got issues, microbiome issues, toxicity issues have have grown to an extent where the problem the problems are very, very big.
01:03:56:13 – 01:04:20:19
Dr. Henning Saupe
So that is why we sometimes come so late and need a surgeon and sometimes also radiotherapy. So that is if the problems are so big that the patient is in the risk zone to die within the next weeks, then you have to gain time. You have to reduce the symptoms and use the reductionistic approach to not die within the next weeks.
01:04:21:21 – 01:04:48:02
Dr. Henning Saupe
But then please, as soon as possible, or if possible, already parallel to the reductionistic treatments, you you need to care for your vitality system, for your detoxification, immune system, inflammation control, nutritional support, etc. So complementary medicine wants to bring these two rounds together. The tumor focused or symptom focused, and the terrain based holistic approach at the same time.
01:04:48:11 – 01:05:20:13
Dr. Henning Saupe
And yes, to your question again, early stages, Hamdy cured and the chances to get somebody back into the healthy balance are much bigger than in late stages. But the tragedy is that some many diagnosis are given when the stage is already in three or four and the national pathway holistic doctor like me sees patients. When the red, the regular oncologist says, Oh, sorry, there is not so much anything left to do for you.
01:05:20:13 – 01:05:44:23
Dr. Henning Saupe
Now it’s about palliative care. And then patients wake up and call us and that’s very late. And my daily prayer is that patients wake up a little earlier. And that’s also one of the reasons why I wrote my book, that please raise your awareness as early as possible. Actually, pre care would be the best start to care for a healthy life.
01:05:44:23 – 01:06:05:23
Dr. Henning Saupe
So you do not develop cancer as a disease and keep the few cancer cells under control. That would be the very best. And that’s where the success rate is probably the highest. But at least call us as early as possible once you’re diagnosed with cancer and don’t wait until there is nothing else for you to get in a regular oncology ward.
01:06:06:09 – 01:06:38:20
Nathan Crane
Yeah, So good words of wisdom right there, which is a great transition into where I want to go next, which is cancer prevention and cancer prevention from my research and experiences, basically very similar to heart disease prevention, diabetes prevention, autoimmune disease prevention, Alzheimer’s prevention and just living a long, healthy, vital life with as little disease as possible with energy and vitality to to really enjoy life.
01:06:38:24 – 01:07:04:14
Nathan Crane
Right? There’s so much I look at all these diseases as basically branches from the same tree where they they manifest in the body slightly differently, but they’re the underlying causes of those disease, as I just mentioned, are so similar. Right. And so so are the prevention approaches or prevention solutions and the solutions for helping the body to heal itself from those diseases.
01:07:05:00 – 01:07:34:04
Nathan Crane
So what I’d love to ask you is for somebody who is either concerned about cancer, maybe they say it runs in their family, they just don’t want a cancer diagnosis. They just want to live long and healthy. They want to prevent cancer. What are your top three lifestyle approaches that people should be implementing on a daily basis for for helping their bodies to to prevent a cancer diagnosis?
01:07:34:18 – 01:08:02:13
Dr. Henning Saupe
Now, thank you for that question. Very, very important, very important question. So, um, let me mention three things. And I believe they’re equally important and it doesn’t matter where to start with food. Food matters, healthy diet, healthy food and average are the lifestyle around food and food habits in Europe. In my country and the Western world is too rich in pro-inflammatory food ingredients.
01:08:02:17 – 01:08:39:02
Dr. Henning Saupe
We eat too much animal based food, too much meat, we eat too much starch and empty calories in form of white bread and fries and potatoes and pasta. We eat too many artificial food supplements like sweeteners. Aspartame is carcinogenic. What you find in Diet Coke and diet soda and chewing gums and and all the life products is parts energetic, stop in life products and stay away from soda pops at times.
01:08:39:19 – 01:09:15:03
Dr. Henning Saupe
Drink more water and eat a more plant based diet. You’ll find many ideas and guidelines in my book I would on I recommend a modified Mediterranean diet. It is also proven to be the longevity diet. Walter Longo from California, a professor in gerontology and lung, get lung longevity Science explains in great detail in his books why a modified Mediterranean diet is very good for us.
01:09:15:03 – 01:09:50:19
Dr. Henning Saupe
It’s a little bit of animal food, not too much, but from fresh and pure sources like small fish, a little bit of us animal based food, like a little bit of lamb or beef from grass fed cattle, but smaller amounts. Not the big sizes that I’m used to when I visit the United States. It’s far much red meat or plant based food and fresh and good quality like salads and legumes and and berries and smoothies and oils.
01:09:50:19 – 01:10:19:24
Dr. Henning Saupe
Not to forget the healthy oils like both omega six fatty acids from olive oil, but also the omega three fatty acids that normally are short in western world diet. Almost everybody’s today who does not supplement omega three fatty acids suffers from a mismatch between the omega six and omega three fatty acids. So we need cod liver oil or fish oil like five grams a day would be excellent.
01:10:21:01 – 01:10:52:22
Dr. Henning Saupe
We need more fibers, we need more raw food to get bacteria into our system. I recommend fermented food like sauerkraut or kimchi or or fermented beans or fermented legumes. Every country has its specialty. In my home country, it’s sauerkraut that gives a lot of lactic lactobacilli to the microbiome and is very healthy for digestion and powerful immune function.
01:10:52:22 – 01:10:59:06
Dr. Henning Saupe
In my guts. So first answer healthy diet and you can learn more in various books.
01:10:59:06 – 01:11:12:06
Nathan Crane
On on the on the diet approach for we move to the next one How. How much do your patients adhere to these diet principles and recommendations?
01:11:13:09 – 01:11:23:16
Dr. Henning Saupe
I guess I’m fortunate because my patients are very smart and highly motivated and they adhere very well to these dietary recommendations.
01:11:23:16 – 01:11:39:24
Nathan Crane
Now, do you have a do you have a a principle on kind of macronutrient ratios? So roughly a certain percentage of fat versus a certain percentage of carbohydrates versus a certain percentage of protein?
01:11:40:10 – 01:12:14:04
Dr. Henning Saupe
Yeah. Well, I recommend the low carb diets are for everybody, including myself, to stay healthy, to get control over inflammatory diseases, Inclusive cancer and a low carb diet is defined by less than 100 excuse me, less than 100 grams of carbohydrates a day. And it’s not only about carbohydrates, but also about the quality of carbohydrates, of course, so-called slow carbohydrates with a low glycemic index with the abbreviation G.I.
01:12:14:08 – 01:12:52:24
Dr. Henning Saupe
Everybody can download glycaemic index lists online food items with a lower GI than 60 are more recommended than the ones with a higher GI. So it’s not only about carbohydrates as such, but the quality of carbohydrates go for the slow ones where the low GI and in total around 100 gram a day is what I recommend. Put an emphasis on proteins if you suffer from cancer, and especially especially if you have gone through chemotherapy because weight loss is a dangerous procedure.
01:12:52:24 – 01:13:27:06
Dr. Henning Saupe
Patients in not in oncology, actually 40% of patients suffering from oncological diseases die at the end of their life, from starvation, from weight loss, from the consequences of weight loss. It’s called cachexia or sarcopenia. Sarcopenia means that at the very end of one’s life one can live from one’s own muscles. The muscle mass is shrinking because the body is so so low in proteins that that we dissolve our own muscle.
01:13:27:06 – 01:13:54:13
Dr. Henning Saupe
Sarcopenia very dangerous. So to white by all means, then some patients late need more proteins. The best way to get proteins in your diet in an easy to digest way, if you are a little low in your body weight if you have to, if you struggle with keeping your body weight stable is to add plant based protein powder and mix that with a fresh smoothie.
01:13:54:19 – 01:14:25:05
Dr. Henning Saupe
Smoothies are great. They contain collider minerals and vitamins and enzymes, but they are not that rich in protein. So if you if you make a delicious smoothie and add a few tablespoons of a protein powder with, for instance, rice, protein extract or pea protein or hemp protein, you get an energy drink that is just great rich in proteins plus all the fresh minerals and colloidal substances, enzymes, etc. that you have in a fresh smoothie.
01:14:25:12 – 01:14:51:24
Nathan Crane
So I love that. I love this smoothie recommendation. Actually, I made a smoothie this morning. I grow my own organic greens, all anti-cancer greens, specifically from brassica and certain herbs and things like that. And I make a smoothie with it and add some some organic protein plant based protein powder as well. And I actually for those who want the recipe, I did a video on my YouTube channel called my favorite anti-cancer smoothie recipe.
01:14:52:09 – 01:15:14:09
Nathan Crane
You can go watch that for free and get that recipe. But it’s one of my I add in blueberries as well, which we know are super high in antioxidants. One of the top anti-cancer fruits, I would say. Right. The berries from the bear, don’t forget, is fantastic. And then flax seeds or hemp seeds or chia seeds for the omegas also helps with heart health protection.
01:15:14:10 – 01:15:20:08
Nathan Crane
Good fiber, right? All these things are great to add and these are easy to add in every day.
01:15:20:22 – 01:15:33:18
Dr. Henning Saupe
And really should space and does not take so much time. Get a good juicer. It’s a life investment and make these healthy smoothies. I can. Yeah I agree 100%.
01:15:33:18 – 01:15:47:19
Nathan Crane
And so on the protein. So just so I know on your I’m just curious here. I know these aren’t exact numbers for every person, but let’s talking about the average person. What body weight are you talking about? Like 70 kilos. I got to know the.
01:15:47:19 – 01:15:52:02
Dr. Henning Saupe
Two kilogram by definition would be the average body weight. And that would be one.
01:15:52:02 – 01:15:54:23
Nathan Crane
Hundred and 65 I think, pounds or something.
01:15:55:08 – 01:16:05:23
Dr. Henning Saupe
Yeah, that would be the 100 brand carbs a day that would qualify for less than 100% carbs a day to qualify for low carb diet. That’s for an average standard.
01:16:05:23 – 01:16:09:02
Nathan Crane
Now, are you you’re not talking ketogenic diet or. Yeah.
01:16:09:09 – 01:16:40:00
Dr. Henning Saupe
Eugenic is when your body is so low in carbs that your liver starts to produce ketone bodies as an alternative fuel for our brain and muscles to. And that starts at a carb intake of around 50 gram a day or less. So that would be half of the carb recommendation that I do for everybody. Yes, there is a corner in my in my toolbox for a ketogenic diet.
01:16:40:00 – 01:17:11:22
Dr. Henning Saupe
Some patients do well with ketogenic type, others don’t. It’s not anything that I can recommend everybody, because I’ve seen many patients struggling with the ketogenic diet, especially the ones who have lost weight and are low in their general body vitality, especially after many turns off of chemotherapy. You have to be careful if your are too weak, that your body has difficulties to process and digest so much fat and proteins and so little carbs.
01:17:11:22 – 01:17:48:21
Dr. Henning Saupe
So that’s where the individual counseling becomes very, very important. What is perfect for one must not be the best choice for for for another patient. If you can afford it body weight wise to lose a few kg or pounds, then a ketogenic diet might be something that you benefit from, especially in combination with chemo radiation. I mean, I do work with patients who want to get both my complementary program and standard programs at their local university, and I can’t be totally against it.
01:17:48:21 – 01:18:21:18
Dr. Henning Saupe
I’m I’m open for whatever the patient wants me to contribute to. And in some situation, it makes sense with radiation. Think about aggressive brain tumors that are on the way to kill the patient. Then. Then you need radiation. It would be I cannot say that this patient can avoid radiation and especially radiation of brain tumors, primary brain tumors or brain metastases react very, very positively on ketogenic diet because the brain is so sugar dependent.
01:18:22:00 – 01:18:40:05
Dr. Henning Saupe
Right. Of course, that growing some of the old brain are even more sugar dependent. So that ketogenic diet is a splendid way to support radiation therapy or all kinds of therapies that are done for brain tumors and brain metastases. That would be an example where I recommend ketogenic diet for some months. Yeah.
01:18:41:11 – 01:18:46:02
Nathan Crane
For a few for, for a few months you would cycle on and off it potentially.
01:18:46:02 – 01:19:10:09
Dr. Henning Saupe
Yes. And get a Quito mojo and measure to ketone body so that you are sure that you are in ketosis because that varies a lot between individuals. How, how much carbs you tolerate and how flexible your metabolic system is to find out of how many carb to any to do to stay in ketosis unique keto sticks to measure it.
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01:20:30:17 – 01:20:39:23
Nathan Crane
Now let’s get back to the show. Yeah, gotcha. The or a breath. You can do a breath version to test your ketones as well, right?
01:20:40:10 – 01:20:51:21
Dr. Henning Saupe
Yeah. Well, I have the mojo, which is a little stick. Can you put a drop of blood on it? And then it’s like measuring blood glucose, but it measures ketone bodies in our blood. That’s for me, the safest way to measure.
01:20:51:21 – 01:21:03:22
Nathan Crane
Which is more accurate than I think. The breathing version one is measuring the amount of is it acetate that. Yes. Breathing out. Yeah. And so I think it’s it’s it’s not as accurate as a blood count.
01:21:03:23 – 01:21:08:07
Dr. Henning Saupe
As accurate as ketosis thinks that’s what I recommend people so.
01:21:08:20 – 01:21:17:00
Nathan Crane
70 kilogram person was about £158 100 grams which is about 400 calories of of.
01:21:17:22 – 01:21:19:20
Dr. Henning Saupe
Carbs a day of carbs.
01:21:19:23 – 01:21:22:09
Nathan Crane
What about protein? What about protein.
01:21:23:05 – 01:21:35:10
Dr. Henning Saupe
Proteins per day? For an average person, I would recommend normal body weight to keep a healthy, normal body weight. I would go for 50 gram of proteins a day.
01:21:35:24 – 01:21:54:09
Nathan Crane
Wow. So only one, so 50 grams. So you’re talking that’s times for it’s 200 calories of protein. It’s not very much protein, 158, such a third. So, you know, so it’s a lower amount of protein on the protein and.
01:21:55:24 – 01:21:59:03
Dr. Henning Saupe
Then the rest needs to be covered with that.
01:21:59:03 – 01:22:07:04
Nathan Crane
Would be fat. Right. So you’re talking 600 calories. What does an average person need on a day? 158 2000 calories, 2500.
01:22:07:19 – 01:22:11:17
Dr. Henning Saupe
20, 20, 20, 220, 400.
01:22:11:17 – 01:22:45:04
Nathan Crane
So 2200. I’m just trying to do the math here. So 2200 -600 gives us help me with the math 1600. So 1600 calories of fat and one gram of fat is actually nine divided nine. So 177 grams of fat potentially. So I’m just doing the math out loud just to kind of get a visual of this of carbs, 100 grams protein, 50 grams of fat, 177 grams.
01:22:45:04 – 01:23:12:12
Nathan Crane
So again, you’re talking lower, lower carbohydrate, but not ketogenic, a little lower protein, but not So I’ll figure out the percentages in a second because the percentage is what matters, because I’m six to weigh £215 and I’m an athlete that trains 4 hours a day, right? So, so my protein is closer to one gram per body pound per pound of body weight.
01:23:12:12 – 01:23:20:21
Nathan Crane
So I have a lot more protein, but I have a lot more carbs because I’m a high intensity athlete, weightlifting, lifting CrossFit, etc.. But this.
01:23:20:21 – 01:23:21:19
Dr. Henning Saupe
Is important.
01:23:22:10 – 01:23:22:20
Nathan Crane
What’s that?
01:23:23:08 – 01:23:46:24
Dr. Henning Saupe
50 grams was probably the minimum. And there is there is space for little more. I, I, I’m more particularly interested in reducing the carbs to 100 or a little lower. And I actually I don’t ask my patients to put any pieces of food on a balance and to calculate out the proteins.
01:23:47:24 – 01:24:08:00
Nathan Crane
How do you do it for people who are not tracking macros? Do you just like, say, take a plate and like portions like how do you. Yeah, So someone that’s like, hey, obviously we’re talking about we’re not talking about me, about the 60, you know, athlete that trains ours. We’re talking about cancer prevention or cancer healing for that matter.
01:24:08:07 – 01:24:24:24
Nathan Crane
So, you know, these these numbers make sense and I think they’re fascinating anyway, and I want to explore it further. But for someone who’s not going to track their macros, like how do you advise them on kind of staying roughly close to these numbers.
01:24:24:24 – 01:24:50:00
Dr. Henning Saupe
I asked my patients to use their intuition to go into a grocery shop to look for the fresh food department and to go for the color and to work with their body feeling and intuition and find out what they like the most within this realm of unhealthy food. I tell them, Stay away from pork, stay away from processed food, stay away from everything.
01:24:50:00 – 01:25:22:02
Dr. Henning Saupe
That is a life product. I do not ask my patients to put everything on the balance. I allow them to eat two times a week. Animal products like very good quality beef, breast from grass fed cattle or lamb. Another day, maybe fish or poultry from an organic farm because poultry chief quality comes with a lot of of of chemicals like antibiotics and hormones that we don’t like.
01:25:22:02 – 01:25:50:19
Dr. Henning Saupe
So biological quality is very important to today’s animals. Food. Five days more plant based food would be my my optimal choice of fermented soy products are okay tofu or fermented soy is is what I welcome in a diet and I leave it to the patient to find out how much of this and how much is that keeping an eye on the balance.
01:25:50:22 – 01:26:37:21
Dr. Henning Saupe
As long as the body mass index is in the green range, I don’t want my patients to measure their food and brands. I, I encourage them to eat more proteins when they’re underweight when the body mass index goes below at 20, I ask them to to add more proteins, more smoothies, more avocados, more flaxseed oil, more ghee, etc. and the rest is up to their tolerance what they can ingest, what the the body impedance measurement shows how we do a body impedance measurement to measure muscle fat, mass and water.
01:26:39:03 – 01:26:43:23
Dr. Henning Saupe
And I don’t need to tell them the exact number and brands.
01:26:44:21 – 01:27:08:12
Nathan Crane
Gotcha. So. So you’re leaving a little bit more up to the patient to kind of follow some guidelines and principles. So many of them may come close to these numbers, Many of them may not at all. Right. So like like this is for people who for people who kind of nerd out on numbers like I do and who who do track and care about this kind of stuff from time to time.
01:27:08:12 – 01:27:26:07
Nathan Crane
I don’t track every day. I what I’ll do is I’ll track macros for maybe a few weeks at a time just to see where I’m at. And then and then I’ll go months and months and months without tracking anything. And I kind of same thing I go by feel, I go by intuition, I go by. Yeah, roughly. This is what I need, you know, for protein, for fat, for carbohydrates.
01:27:26:13 – 01:27:45:06
Nathan Crane
Like I said, I’m on a much higher carbohydrate diet, so I’m eating way more carbs every day. But I you know, again, this is for me, I’m not recommending for anybody tuning in right now. And but I eat a whole food plant based diet. I, you know, fresh as much fresh food as possible, the least amount of processed food as possible.
01:27:45:06 – 01:28:12:04
Nathan Crane
Pretty much no processed sugar. I do, honey. I do, you know, some stevia, some organic stevia, things like that. But primarily it is fresh food is from the garden is from the the living area in the grocery store. Right. Sometimes I’ll have little organic cereal or something that I definitely would consider processed, but always adding in fresh berries and bananas and, you know, fresh, fresh foods.
01:28:12:04 – 01:28:31:13
Nathan Crane
We do a lot of beans. We do a lot of organic tofu greens, a lot of greens, these kinds of things. Because I think if you really I think the core principle here that I hear you saying and that I think is really important, is make sure your food is fresh, real food no matter what you do. Like, I think that’s principle number one, right?
01:28:31:23 – 01:28:34:24
Nathan Crane
The least amount of processed fake food is possible.
01:28:34:24 – 01:28:36:15
Dr. Henning Saupe
Exactly. Exactly.
01:28:37:02 – 01:29:07:20
Nathan Crane
So for people. So I did the math. So carbs are roughly 18%, let’s say 20%, roughly protein roughly 9 to 10%. And then fat roughly around 70%. So if people do want to track and do want it, you know, that’s kind of the numbers you’re looking at. But but again, if people are just going by field, they’re going to be all over the map because, you know, eating a big thing of beans is going to give you a huge amount of carbs, a decent amount of protein, very little amount of fat.
01:29:08:04 – 01:29:15:14
Nathan Crane
Right. Or eating a big handful of nuts and seeds is going to give you a ton of fat, a little protein, no carbs. So people are going to be all over the place.
01:29:16:04 – 01:29:49:17
Dr. Henning Saupe
Right. So that was the first answer when every second is fried to live a life where rhythm supports vitality, make sure that most of your days you live with a good circadian rhythm. Go to bed at plus minus the same hour. Make sure you get 7 to 8 hours of sleep. Not very much more, but not less than seven.
01:29:50:10 – 01:30:14:13
Dr. Henning Saupe
And avoid to disrupt your circadian rhythm. Very important because the brain controls the hormonal system and the immune system. An exhausted brain acts against your health. More inflammatory messengers, lowers your immune system and weakens your body. So sleep and rhythm, very important.
01:30:15:09 – 01:30:40:05
Nathan Crane
May may look about maybe share a little bit about how people can improve their quality of sleep. And what I mean we’ve talked what I talk about this all the time I know you cover in in your book. People can go deeper there. We’ve covered this deeply in my masterclass, The Importance of Sleep and Entering into Autophagy and Deep Sleep, which is helping to clean up the the abnormal cells and cellular waste and helping to repair damaged cells.
01:30:40:05 – 01:31:05:13
Nathan Crane
All these incredible things that help fight against cancer, fight against premature aging and other diseases. You know, the reason why we need that, everybody knows, oh, I need better sleep, but so few people actually take sleep seriously. I knew I know I was one of them, you know, until just a number of years ago where I was like, I really need to take my sleep seriously, especially as I became much more interested in being an athlete.
01:31:05:13 – 01:31:29:10
Nathan Crane
And I’m constantly tearing down my body all day long. It’s like I really need to repair my body. And sleep became crucial for me and as I researched it much deeper and realized, wow, it’s it’s essential for fighting cancer, for fighting neurological disease, for helping fight against autoimmune disease, for helping activate, you know, the natural healing aspects of the of the entire body.
01:31:29:10 – 01:31:43:17
Nathan Crane
Also helps to reduce all cause mortality, all these things are so important with sleep. So maybe yeah. You know, diving a little bit on the importance of sleep and then what are some kind of things people can do to improve their sleep.
01:31:43:17 – 01:32:05:22
Dr. Henning Saupe
Yeah, a white blue light after 8:00 in the evening because blue light switches the brain on and causes our brain to stay active. Use screensavers, use glasses with a blue filter so that you do not expose your eyes, which are parts of your brain to the eyes belong to the nervous system that you don’t expose your eyes to blue light.
01:32:05:22 – 01:32:34:16
Dr. Henning Saupe
And then watch the most exciting stressing movies late at evening times. If you want to sleep well, spend rather an hour or two with a book. Write that journaling. Write down your important thoughts. Write down three or five things You are grateful for what you’ve experienced this very day. Write few thoughts about what you want to do tomorrow.
01:32:35:01 – 01:33:09:00
Dr. Henning Saupe
Do your journaling very, very, very helpful and healthy habits or to process what has been on your day and what bothers you. Write it down. Write down the good thoughts and the bad thoughts and practice journaling instead of watching much TV at night time. Calm down a little bit earlier. If you stay up and have conducted very complicated telephone calls and watched very complicated, distressing movies, then expect your brain to go into the sleeping mode from one second to the other.
01:33:09:00 – 01:33:44:17
Dr. Henning Saupe
It will not happen. It will it will disrupt your your sleeping pattern and it will cause your brain to have difficulties, to fall asleep, rather spend than the half an hour outside in nature and walk a few times around the corners where you live. Spend a time in fresh air outside before you go to sleep, walk a little bit, write down the thoughts that bother you and that or that lift you up both and a wide TV and blue light at nighttime and go to bed.
01:33:44:17 – 01:33:57:21
Dr. Henning Saupe
Best would be for most people to go to bed at around 1030 between ten and 11. If you have to go up at 630, which is maybe what an average person in a working situation needs to do.
01:33:58:08 – 01:34:23:18
Nathan Crane
And that’s because of the circadian rhythm, right? Because the earlier we get to bed, actually the the more cycles of REM and deep sleep we can go through before midnight and we get to bed too late, like at midnight or later, even if you’re sleeping in later, you’re what I understand. Anyway, correct me if I’m wrong, is you actually will have less of those deep sleep cycles stages.
01:34:23:18 – 01:34:53:13
Dr. Henning Saupe
That perfectly correct. Yeah. And on the morning side, please expose your eyes to bright light as early as possible. Ideal would be. You wake up at 6:30 a.m. and it’s not winter and you’re late on the north side of the globe. Go out and spend a minute in bright morning light. That’s the starting signal for the circadian inside our brain that sets the clock.
01:34:53:22 – 01:35:19:03
Dr. Henning Saupe
And 14 to 16 hours later you will get tired in a natural, harmonious way If you do not spend at least a couple of minutes in bright light in morning time, you start the setup of your brain too late and you will not fall, be able to fall asleep as well as if you would have started your brain with a bright light signal and.
01:35:19:03 – 01:35:46:18
Dr. Henning Saupe
That’s the moment where you have to take off your glasses. If your glasses have a blue filter as mine have. So in the morning we need to get the blue light to switch on our brain. And the next thing I do when I wake up on a morning is I drink a glass of pure filtered water about 250, 300 milliliters, because that’s what I’ve lost during the night through my breath and through perspiration.
01:35:47:04 – 01:36:18:22
Dr. Henning Saupe
So I refill my my body with fresh water that also stimulates the production of urine so that I excrete the toxins that my body has processed during the night. I expose my eyes to some minutes of red light. And if it’s winter right now in Germany, it’s dark at 630. So I switch on all my light bulbs and I have a few light bulbs that have a good solar spectrum that imitates sunlight with a little bit of blue, which is good in the morning.
01:36:19:01 – 01:36:30:24
Dr. Henning Saupe
I don’t use the blue light or the light bulbs with the blue spectrum in the evening. That’s where you that’s where we should light up a candle and expose our eyes to yellowish reddish light.
01:36:31:15 – 01:36:57:13
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And just to clarify for people who don’t know blue light, so any light bulb that you have in your house that actually looks white. So it’s putting off the standard white light. It has the blue light spectrum in it. So some people like, oh, I don’t have blue lights. No, you, you do have blue lights. They don’t look blue, but they have the blue light spectrum, which is, as you said, it’s actually stimulating cause all production.
01:36:57:13 – 01:37:21:10
Nathan Crane
Right. Which is what you want in the morning, high levels of cortisol and in the evening you want your cortisol to go down and your melatonin incredibly potent antioxidant. And we also know it’s you know, it helps us to sleep. We want the melatonin to increase as witches. If we were living out in nature with this natural cycle of, the sun sun goes up, you wake up, sun goes down, you get tired and get ready for bed.
01:37:21:20 – 01:37:33:12
Nathan Crane
Today we don’t live that way. Most of us, unfortunately, because of we have so many lights, artificial lights and computer screens and all of that. So finding that balance is is really important.
01:37:34:03 – 01:38:01:17
Dr. Henning Saupe
And if you enjoy coffee, I love coffee, but I’m also aware that everything in moderation is best. So the first morning coffee is the best one. If you if you or enjoy it at around 10:00, not too early in the morning because that’s where we already have produced a cortisol. So caffeine switches on the adrenals and helps us to produce more uplifting steroids and cortisol.
01:38:01:22 – 01:38:33:17
Dr. Henning Saupe
So the ideal way to enjoy coffee, both for the taste but also with the physiological changes that comes with coffee would be a cup at 10:00. And then if you want to break out the the depth of energy after your lunch, a second cup at around 2:00, that would be the ideal way to enjoy caffeine. We know today that caffeine in moderation, of course, from a good quality organic production is something that also stimulates the liver detoxification.
01:38:34:23 – 01:38:59:11
Dr. Henning Saupe
But if you if you enjoy coffee later today, then you’ll block the natural sleeping hormones for another 6 hours or a late coffee will block your natural way to eventually feel tired and go into sleeping mode. And that’s not good. So coffee late morning and early afternoon is the best way to enjoy it.
01:39:01:02 – 01:39:29:01
Nathan Crane
What we’re talking about there mostly is caffeine, right. And how caffeine affects the Denison receptors. Right. Which is the Denison is the it’s what makes us feel that that tiredness that grogginess and it actually caffeine blocks the receptors. So we we get kind of a fake feeling of energy like I feel like in Chinese medicine they call caffeine the thing they call it the false fire, the fake fire, something like that.
01:39:29:01 – 01:39:50:21
Nathan Crane
That’s basically the false energy, which, as you said, if it’s first thing in the morning, which is what I’ve been doing and, I need to stop doing it, is I need to stop doing it. I’m claiming that now because I, I wake up and I first have a big glass of green juice, organic green vegetable juice, and I take my supplements.
01:39:51:07 – 01:39:59:06
Nathan Crane
And then lately I’ve been making like a, like a latte with some organic coffee and put in some.
01:39:59:12 – 01:39:59:24
Dr. Henning Saupe
Oatmeal.
01:39:59:24 – 01:40:28:06
Nathan Crane
Organic mushroom powder and some a little bit of organic soy milk and some honey. And then I’ll drink that and play a little chess and watch the watch the sunrise. Right. Get that cortisol pump in and watch the sun, which is just such a beautiful way to start the day. I do a little bit of qigong and meditation and intention setting before that as well, but I know now and I’ve known for a while I really need to push that coffee back a couple of hours.
01:40:28:06 – 01:40:43:07
Nathan Crane
But it’s hard and it’s addicting. It’s addictive, right? It’s like I get into my systems and my my ways of doing things and I’m just set in it and it’s like, I know thinking of like, well, not having that coffee for two or 3 hours. Yeah, that.
01:40:43:07 – 01:41:03:08
Dr. Henning Saupe
Would be to try a decaf, if you like the bitter sweet taste of a latte. So you avoid the caffeine at 7:00 and postpone it a little bit and give you the caffeine treat at ten or 11, or you just have more benefits from it than if you would use it already at seven in the morning.
01:41:03:17 – 01:41:15:05
Nathan Crane
I’m going to I’m going to do that right now. I’m going to order organic and making a note. Decaf coffee beans. Now, isn’t the decaf process like don’t have to I don’t understand it fully. So I’m just.
01:41:15:10 – 01:41:24:22
Dr. Henning Saupe
Like they say this it’s a distillation it’s they they distill the caffeine at a certain so that caffeine evaporates.
01:41:24:22 – 01:41:32:01
Nathan Crane
That’s how they don’t use chemicals. They don’t use chemicals to do it. Okay. Okay. That’s good. Always. I’ll research it further, but.
01:41:32:10 – 01:41:53:11
Dr. Henning Saupe
I get organically certified decaf and they wouldn’t get the approval and the stem for organically certified if they would at any chemical. So it’s a procedure that uses steam to evaporate the coffee and at a certain temperature. And then what is left is a coffee bean without the coffee and inside.
01:41:53:22 – 01:41:57:14
Nathan Crane
And the caffeine, is it 100% gone or is there a little bit low?
01:41:57:14 – 01:42:11:24
Dr. Henning Saupe
It’s not a 100% gun, but it’s like 90 something five. So there there might be a tiny little bit. But I mean, maybe as much caffeine as you buy alcohol in a fresh apple juice.
01:42:11:24 – 01:42:13:12
Nathan Crane
Oh, interesting. Okay.
01:42:13:12 – 01:42:46:01
Dr. Henning Saupe
So there’s always a little bit. But it’s I learned from from Paracelsus, the most famous doctor of his time. He lived in the 14th century in Switzerland, in Germany. I learned from him that toxins are things that you have in in too big quantity. Only the quantity makes something a toxin. So decaf a with a little remnant of zero point something caffeine, it’s just neglected.
01:42:46:13 – 01:42:53:22
Dr. Henning Saupe
And as I said, a glass of apple juice that contains maybe 0.5% of is also neglected. Well, that’s not an alcoholic beverage.
01:42:53:24 – 01:43:18:12
Nathan Crane
Right? So what I’m so the new thing that I’m I’m wrapping my mind around getting ready to implement right. I’m always as I’m learning things over the years, I experiment and implement them in my own life. Right? So I’ve been doing cold showers for 12, 15 years, right? 12, 15 years I’ve been doing cold showers. And then a few years back I made an ice bath and so I do ice bath.
01:43:18:13 – 01:43:36:09
Nathan Crane
I’ve been doing sauna for years and so I ended up getting a sauna and I love sauna. Right. We can talk about sauna, ice baths, all of that. So these things I learned about, you know, plant based diet and nutrition over a decade ago. So I went, you know, I eventually, you know, a 200% plant based as I learned these things and the research behind them.
01:43:36:09 – 01:43:41:13
Nathan Crane
And then I experiment with myself and then I implement it. So then the newer that I’m getting ready to do.
01:43:42:02 – 01:43:42:18
Dr. Henning Saupe
Are.
01:43:42:21 – 01:43:54:00
Nathan Crane
One backing off caffeine for the first couple of hours in the morning and in maybe not even doing the decaf at all, just replacing it with some herbal tea or something like that.
01:43:54:06 – 01:43:55:23
Dr. Henning Saupe
Typical herbal tea. Yeah.
01:43:56:01 – 01:44:16:10
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And then also starting with an ice bath first thing in the morning. So, you know, I have no problem doing it any time later in the day, especially, I got my sauna cook in or whatever, and I know I can warm up or the sun’s out or something like that. But first thing in the morning when it’s cold, I you know, there’s some really interesting studies with ice baths.
01:44:16:10 – 01:44:41:06
Nathan Crane
And if you do it first thing in the morning or before you exercise, the benefits of it are are even increased exponentially and it wakes you up, right? I mean, it’s going to emit partly increased neuro epinephrine, which leads to dopamine increase in release. So which leads to immune system activation. So why wouldn’t you want all that first thing in the morning to time.
01:44:41:15 – 01:44:44:13
Dr. Henning Saupe
You do to win half breathing or what do you do?
01:44:44:16 – 01:45:09:00
Nathan Crane
So I’ll do the breath work. Like lately I’ve been doing the Wim Hof breathing in the sauna at, the end of my sauna in the ice bath. I’ve always just done deep, relaxing breaths to calm the nervous system. And at first it would take me a minute or two to get relaxed. Just take just really deep out breath to relax.
01:45:09:08 – 01:45:29:11
Nathan Crane
Now I can get an ice bath and in one breath I’m completely relaxed. Right. That took. That took practice, That took practice. I I’ll guide people, I’ll guide friends through it for their first time and just follow my breathing. You know, here’s what you’re going to feel like. You don’t feel like you’re screaming. Your body wants to get out your everything about you ten seven tied right?
01:45:29:11 – 01:45:56:24
Nathan Crane
They get into and I’m like, follow my breath. So what we’re doing is learning to control the autonomic nervous system, right? Learning to control stressors in our life. You know, this really a valuable tool, but it’s also being able to activate our own immune system through deep relaxation methods like deep breathing. And so with practice, literally, I can get in and in one breath totally relaxed.
01:45:57:22 – 01:46:16:06
Nathan Crane
And so I don’t do any other breathing. I haven’t tried any other breathing than that inside ice bath. But it’s still intense. I mean, the feelings intense for me, it’s not so much getting in and sitting there for a few minutes and, you know, I might move my hand sometimes to, like intensify it, because that definitely creates even more intensity.
01:46:16:17 – 01:46:37:08
Nathan Crane
It’s getting out and not being able to warm up. That has been an issue for me, like when I do it at night in Santa Fe, New Mexico. And we didn’t have I didn’t have a sauna. We wouldn’t turn the heater on very often. And like even a warm shower wouldn’t warm me up. You know, It was just like that was brutal.
01:46:37:24 – 01:46:38:19
Nathan Crane
So kind.
01:46:38:19 – 01:46:39:17
Dr. Henning Saupe
Of intensive. Yeah.
01:46:40:04 – 01:47:02:08
Nathan Crane
Yeah, yeah. So that’s the thing is, like, if I get warm up after, maybe I just exercise or get the sauna for a few minutes or something. Then, then, then it’s no problem, you know. But ice baths I think is incredible. Sauna obviously is incredible. I mean, we’re talking about cancer, we’re talking about the immune system. Both these things activate a better immune system response.
01:47:02:08 – 01:47:36:09
Dr. Henning Saupe
Yeah. So let me get to answer number three. You asked me for three things. I would recommend everybody to stay healthy and, hopefully not develop a cancer heart disease. And the third round that we have to address is stress. Stress is number one killer in modern societies. We already touched it a little bit when we talked about sleep because stress also affects our sleep, but stress itself is what we need to learn to balance, to manage.
01:47:36:18 – 01:48:09:04
Dr. Henning Saupe
Otherwise we will die from the consequences of stress stress. Everybody knows what it is, is something that you also can measure physiologically. That means the overexpose your to send sensory impulses to what you perceive, what you get as information. The overexposure to tasks you are asked to solve causes a change of our body, and most of all, in our vegetative nervous system.
01:48:09:19 – 01:48:41:02
Dr. Henning Saupe
The best it is nervous system is what controls our heartbeat, our blood pressure, our digestion, our breathing rhythm, our contractions of our digestive tract muscles and everything the urinary bladder, the guts, everything. And scientists, biologists speak about two parts of the vegetative nervous system. And I guess everybody has already heard about these two branches. It’s called the sympathetic or the person system.
01:48:41:13 – 01:49:23:10
Dr. Henning Saupe
And what stress does, it switches on the sympathetic nervous system, and that comes with the release of stress hormones, adrenaline and the even more powerful hormone called noradrenaline and cortisol. So modern man is four long periods of time in the sympathetic mode that dominates more and more, and that causes all the stress dependent diseases in closest cancer, high blood pressure, migraine, sleeping disorders, depression and all the consequences of it is based on or modified by stress.
01:49:23:21 – 01:49:59:23
Dr. Henning Saupe
And the answer is replication techniques that switches on the the opponent of the sympathetic nervous system. That’s called the parasympathetic nervous system. The sympathetic nervous system follows the flight and fight program in our brain. We’re still cavemen to a very high level in our behavior. That means that if the telephone rings, if somebody comes in and gives me a new task and I’m busy with solving the other three tasks that I try to fix up, my brain goes into this flight and fight mode.
01:49:59:23 – 01:50:24:04
Dr. Henning Saupe
I react as a caveman would react when a wild beast enters the cave or when an enemy enters his his field of the partition. So my body produces all these hormones. My muscles get stiff, my vision gets more and more narrow. I get a tunnel vision. I don’t see the complexity of life any longer. I see less and less of of the reality.
01:50:24:04 – 01:51:03:17
Dr. Henning Saupe
I get more and more stressed. My blood pressure goes up, and actually I would like to hit my opponent with my fist or run away. That’s how primitive my brain is and it’s basal way to react on stress. And my teachers at grammar school and university did not tell me so much about how to get out of this stress reaction, where this which is a primordial behavior pattern that we all have in our brain, and that becomes more and more dominant part of our life because we expose ourselves to more and more and more and more stimulated.
01:51:03:18 – 01:51:38:18
Dr. Henning Saupe
So that’s the problem that we need to solve. Stress adds risk factors for cancer. There is no question any longer. Stress is one of the many, many reasons as important as food and weight control and physical exercise and stress is a psycho mental emotional phenomenon. And it becomes a somatic problem in our body with high blood pressure, too much cortisol impaired, blood sugar control, impaired digestion, etc., etc..
01:51:38:18 – 01:52:17:24
Dr. Henning Saupe
So what is the answer? The answer is less sensory stimulation and pauses where we either do physical exercise or meditation or something that switches on our creative mind in a playful, artistic way. The strategy that I recommend most of all is called mindfulness based stress reduction that was developed by a professor in Massachusetts, John KABAT-ZINN, who is still very active and retired from his assignment as a professor at Massachusetts.
01:52:17:24 – 01:52:48:18
Dr. Henning Saupe
But he still is active with workshops and lectures, and he has written a few splendid books that I warmly recommend in my book, Holistic Cancer Medicine, and I have a chapter where I explain it and give some basic exercises. It’s easy to learn. It’s not rocket science and it’s based on seven tenets of mindfulness sinking, and it’s scientifically proven that it balances our vegetative nervous system at lowest blood pressure.
01:52:48:18 – 01:53:15:01
Dr. Henning Saupe
It lowers the production of stress hormones, it gives us a better sleep. It contradicts depression, and it adds joy and fulfillment to our life. So that’s my third recommendation. On the same level, there’s no hierarchy, food, rhythm, sleep, and then mindfulness based reduction, which everybody can learn and then practice. It’s something that you need to practice as much as you need to practice a physical exercise.
01:53:15:01 – 01:53:39:15
Dr. Henning Saupe
It’s good to know where gym is and that that you should lift some dumbbells and some ways to grow more muscles. But if you don’t do it, your muscle will not grow. Same is true for mindfulness based Stress reduction. It’s good to know what it is about. It’s about appreciation, non-judgmental, thinking, beginner practice, beginner’s mind look at things and you get rid of your prejudice.
01:53:39:24 – 01:54:10:20
Dr. Henning Saupe
It’s about forgiveness, it’s about patience. It’s about widening your frame and to take new aspects into account. When you look at the problem, it’s again, it’s about nonjudgmental, thinking more, witnessing less judgments, and you need to practice it because I have not learned it as a kid I have not learned it at school. None of my teachers told me are non striving.
01:54:10:21 – 01:54:46:13
Dr. Henning Saupe
Another tenant of mindfulness based stress reduction practice, non at least as a component in your life. We just talked about ambitious health programs with physical training and ice baths and sauna and diet, but there is also a time for letting go all the expectations and relax and just breathe and grateful for what you have achieved. And I had it on my lips When you spoke about all the numbers for the perfect diet to say yes, the perfect diet.
01:54:46:13 – 01:55:23:24
Dr. Henning Saupe
There is a perfect diet, but there is also a time for enjoying the food you are able to to eat and that you’re taller and and that you can not everybody gets the best fresh, organically grown food it’s just not available everywhere and the component that you need to add to this perfect diet is gratefulness. A little bit of non striving, a little bit of letting go and to not be too harsh and do compulsive with your thoughts about your perfect.
01:55:23:24 – 01:55:31:01
Dr. Henning Saupe
By and otherwise you wouldn’t be on the nutritional side, but you lose on the stress side hundred percent.
01:55:31:01 – 01:56:02:08
Nathan Crane
And stress I think is actually you know as you said three things sleep, food and stress. Are you kind of equally attribute them of importance? And I, I used to put, you know, food and diet and exercise up here and stress also very important, you know, stress, spiritual life, relationships mental emotional health, you know, still very important. But like down here, like 20% and then 80% food.
01:56:02:21 – 01:56:32:10
Nathan Crane
Over the years, I have actually personally shifted to, you know, diet and nutrition and exercise. Very, very, very important. But if if it came down to it, you know, our ability to manage stress, to live a more peaceful life, to have less anxiety and worry and doubt and fear and to be a more peaceful, happy, joyful person, I actually think that is even more important, Right?
01:56:32:10 – 01:56:53:19
Nathan Crane
I think that is that that’s like where we should put as much of our attention as possible because we could eat the best food in the world. Right. Organically grown from a local farmer that’s filled with nutrients and all that. But we’re stressed out all the time and afraid and anxious and worried. I mean, our immune system’s going to be inhibited.
01:56:53:19 – 01:57:21:12
Nathan Crane
You just talked about parasympathetic and sympathetic. We’re going to have trouble sleeping. We’re going to have, you know, worrisome doubts all the time. We’re going to be, you know, really negating the benefits of that healthy food. So I think that’s such an important thing. I actually did two podcasts recently on The Science of this of meditation and mindfulness and with Dr. Isaac Elias and then also Ariel Garten on my podcast.
01:57:21:12 – 01:57:43:17
Nathan Crane
So people tuning in can go listen to those to go really deep into this subject because I think it’s super important. But I agree, actually, I used to be way more strict with food when we traveled, for example for my wife and I years ago when my daughter was born, we were on 100% raw food diet. Right. And so traveling and all of that was pretty challenging and could stressful.
01:57:44:00 – 01:58:02:23
Nathan Crane
And over the years, as we got, you know, cleaner and cleaner and cleaner with our food and we’d still travel quite a bit. It is a challenge and has been a challenge to find the foods that that we consider healthy. And so when we travel I’m like now I’m just much more flexible because I don’t want to stress out about it.
01:58:02:23 – 01:58:20:08
Nathan Crane
I’m like, I look for the cleanest places, the organic places, the plant based places, the healthiest foods I can find. But sometimes you’re just you’re not going to find the perfect. And so it’s like, all right, I can always find something. I can find some rice and beans and I can find some a salad and I can find I can make a smoothie.
01:58:20:08 – 01:58:31:08
Nathan Crane
I can go the whole Foods and get some stuff there. And it’s like, I’m just more flexible when we travel to avoid that stress. Right? So I think that’s important.
01:58:31:08 – 01:59:02:00
Dr. Henning Saupe
And we do not digest our food properly. We do not produce enough enzymes in our saliva in our stomach if we are stressed out. And if you your meal, please eat the meal and don’t do anything else. Don’t watch the TV, don’t have telephone calls, don’t have stressful conversations with the ones that you eat your meal with. You should be silent if thanks and eat your meal in a silent manner, in a meditative state of mind.
01:59:02:00 – 01:59:09:08
Dr. Henning Saupe
That’s where the parasympathetic system works. It’s at its best to digest and to produce all the enzymes that we need.
01:59:09:08 – 01:59:13:07
Nathan Crane
So that’s a tough one. That’s a tough one for sure. I know for a.
01:59:14:08 – 01:59:37:17
Dr. Henning Saupe
While you have your meals and don’t eat in front of the refrigerator. You are on the phone. Sit down, please have a little pause, do a little meditation or your prayer if things and then you eat with peace of mind, that makes a huge difference. I would say that this is at least as important as the quality of the food we eat.
01:59:37:17 – 01:59:43:05
Dr. Henning Saupe
How what mindset? Mm. Beautiful. Well.
01:59:44:10 – 01:59:50:01
Nathan Crane
Your book, Holistic Cancer Medicine. Where, where can people get a copy of it? What’s the best place for them to get, get your book.
01:59:50:19 – 02:00:13:20
Dr. Henning Saupe
Right now, everywhere you can buy books, you can go to the publisher’s website right away. Chelsea Green’s in Vermont sells it all. The big bookstores, all the online bookstores sell it. I don’t want to make PR for a particular bookstore. It’s out there everywhere. You can order it around the globe in the English speaking world. It’s now also released in the United Kingdom and in Australia.
02:00:15:02 – 02:00:26:06
Dr. Henning Saupe
Chelsea Green has subdivisions in London, so it’s easy to get holistic cancer medicine in my name. And yeah, it’s not difficult to get the book.
02:00:26:19 – 02:00:33:12
Nathan Crane
And if people want to come see your clinic in Germany or get in touch with you or your team or is the best place for them to do that.
02:00:33:18 – 02:01:02:16
Dr. Henning Saupe
Well, go to our Web site. The clinic is called Arcadia Clinic. Arcadia Praxis Clinic. Praxis means clinic in Germany and or look for my name. There’s only one doctor self-pay in Germany and only one Arcadia clinic in Germany. And send us your submission. My secretary’s will take care of your submission and send them to us. Doctors. We have three doctors here at the Arcadia Clinic and we look through everything.
02:01:02:16 – 02:01:27:24
Dr. Henning Saupe
You send us very, very carefully and get back with our first answer. We either invite you to have a video call with us or a telephone call, and please send us all your medical document and your most recent CT scans or MRI scans and your most recent bloodwork, so we can make a proper evaluation if we are a good match for you.
02:01:27:24 – 02:01:52:12
Dr. Henning Saupe
And then we have a video consultation with you where we find out if we want to work with each other. And then if if it’s a yes on both sides, we send you a treatment proposal and average patients say 3 to 4 weeks at our clinic that depends on on the stage of the disease. But in average it’s it’s three or four weeks per treatment.
02:01:52:18 – 02:02:15:15
Dr. Henning Saupe
We do follow ups. We send patients home with a home care package, with lots of ideas and practical advice, but also with drugs and remedies. We love to stay in contact with your local doctor. If there is anybody that wants to cooperate with us with more infusions in your hometown. And that’s what we do, we.
02:02:16:23 – 02:02:25:19
Nathan Crane
Well, fantastic, Dr. Sapp, but thank you so much for taking the time. Thank you for the great work you do and appreciate you so much. So thank you.
02:02:26:11 – 02:03:00:20
Dr. Henning Saupe
Thank you very much. Nathan was a great pleasure. The meeting with you and all the best for your work. You will you bring this message out into the world that’s extremely important for us today. People like you can change the awareness of our fellowmen so that more and more Salomon learn that they can take initiative and they are responsible for their lives and for their treatments, and that there is more than the reductionistic approach in Western world clinics.
02:03:01:11 – 02:03:20:04
Nathan Crane
Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate it and honored to finally get to actually meet you in kind of person here. And like I said, I’ve known of your work for years and just humbled and honored to actually spend this time together. So so thank you so much. And everybody tuning in, we wish you so much health and happiness.
02:03:20:07 – 02:03:21:16
Nathan Crane
We’ll talk to you next time. Take care.
02:03:22:02 – 02:03:26:12
Dr. Henning Saupe
Thank you. Thank you very much.