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Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. Today I’ve got Dr. Alan Bain, who is a medical doctor with a degree in Osteopathic medicine, specializing in internal medicine. He’s developed an effective protocol for treating COVID patients and has worked tirelessly during the pandemic to collaborate with other doctors and scientists to provide effective and safe treatments for COVID outside of the vaccine.
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His website is Doc in the Loop Dotcom. Dr. Alan Bain Hey, thanks for coming on the podcast, man. Thank you. Thank you, sir.
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we’re filming this in the later part of 2023, and now we have so much data about the COVID vaccines.
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have a ton of data about COVID vaccines now.
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after you’ve seen
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all the data up to this point, what is your conclusion about the various versions of the COVID vaccines? What conclusion have you come to?
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As it was from the beginning that I didn’t trust the an experimental shot and now it’s showing up
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that more and more people have gotten very ill.
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And that’s what I devoted my practice to, is
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people with long COVID and the shot or the gene therapy shot,
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the injured folks.
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I even have anecdotally nurses who were on the front line saying, remember when they said this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated
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and I would ask, I say, well, what percentage of people in your in your intensive care unit are vaccinated versus not?
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And they would say 5050. They didn’t say that they were all unvaccinated on ventilators.
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you have one piece of data, Cleveland Clinic, they did a second round of the data that says that the more and more that people become vaccinated, they have a higher chance of even contracting COVID. And they did. And thousands of people in their own medical care workers.
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And now we’re seeing more
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deaths there coming up. Dr. Peter McCullough, as you know him, I think
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his group just put an article in Lancet and they pulled it off the server 24 hours later because it flew off the server because of the 74% of mortality based upon the vaccine within a month period. So speaking of data, it’s showing that the vaccine has been very, very not not not safe and effective and in fact, perhaps
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dangerous in many ways.
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what the naysayers will say or people who are doubting what you’re saying right now, let’s let’s talk about that Cleveland Clinic
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study for a moment, because if someone goes and looks that up, you know, the first things that are going to show up in Google is is fact check sites that say, actually, no, that study didn’t show that the more COVID boosters you got, the more likely you were to contract COVID.
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So how are they able to say that
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with half truths? And it’s just so hard.
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We really have to go pick them apart, pick their thinking apart very carefully? I’m sure they they hyper focused on one area and says, well, you didn’t look here. You can’t just take a picture. Well, you look at a picture just said, well, point your nose that way.
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You try to look at the whole picture. So I can’t trust a lot of these fact checkers, nor can I trust some of these
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data mills. A good example is the Watson study that said 20 million people are alive because of the shots. The messenger RNA devices back in 2021,
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First of all, that was a it was a model, a statistical model.
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So it’s not real world data. And then there was a counter argument account or about a year later that says it doesn’t match the real world data or the real world set up of how you would interpret the data.
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So I don’t even buy into the 20 million. You’re going to see the Watson article in Lancet be quoted a lot
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There’s a lot of naysayers and I funny you mention nay sayers, sir, because I was always looking at my genius friends who would say, Yeah, yeah, yeah, look at this, look at this.
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And then I find other people saying equally as smart, saying, No, it’s a model. And, and first of all, I think one really smart internist said that they based that 20 million people saving on a fatality rate. That was,
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two lower too high where it didn’t they didn’t match it properly
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and that would probably lead to something that looks
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like
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big, big saves.
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And they don’t and they don’t even say, did you really save them? You know, if there a younger population. Yes. To look at it from a population the population standpoint. Recently, just yesterday, Dr. Bhattacharya and Dr. Cole, Cole Dorf and a few others, they were in a chat
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putting it out there that
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about the statistics of people who got cold in are still walking around like the people that really, really got sick were the people over over 65 years old.
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So if you spread the data, then you could say really horrendous things. But you know, you’re playing with numbers. So the numbers game in the statistical
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sleight of hand speak to this is how I call it. It’s it’s you can always take data and prove what you think to be true. But yet when you’re on the ground and you see your neighbors neighbor who’s not far from you get really sick or die, like Nathan, when’s the last time you saw people in your age group, comedians or athletes, you know, die so suddenly?
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I’ve been hearing a lot more of it from people who have taken their third or fourth booster shot. So young people, athletic people, there was a very famous bodybuilder
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I think is in his thirties, maybe like late thirties, early forties. And, you know, he was talking about it publicly. He had his I think he had gotten his fourth booster.
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He had his blood checked and he was told that he has those white blood clots in there. And the doctor that knew about this had told him, hey, this is from the vaccines that you got. And literally within days he he had some kind of heart failure and died. I mean, this is a young, healthy bodybuilder who, you know, was doing what he was told, thought he was being a good, you know, steward of being a good citizen, looking out for his health and for the health of others.
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And here he is a young person who is not prone to being sick or dying from the virus itself, but gets the shots and then dies.
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there are thousands. I mean, that’s one anecdotal story. But those are there are thousands of those stories.
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Yes. And you want to tell your viewers to look up the book cause unknown by Edward Dowd.
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I’m going to be going to
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Texas to
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participate in in. It’s actually a lot of music raising money for the vaccine injured
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c19 c react
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and you know, we’re going to be trying to help the folks that are you know, and I’m going to be making t shirt it’s actually of this book I just told you, cause I know because it’s a picture book with data.
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Edward Dowd
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a financial statistician folk, and he’s come up with something amazing that encapsulates what you just said. We could also talk about a famous I think it’s a basketball player. They got myocarditis and then he said, Dang, I shouldn’t have gotten the shot. And then he’s going to train,
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he needs to go to a stress test and he dies on the stress test.
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I think it’s
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one of the names and his name is Adamas or something like that.
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this is
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what we’re fighting against. Nathan is, ah, is are
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like a cloud of people just blinding us. Like, just like the big elephant in the room that’s right in front of your face that your regular doctor is denying, constantly denying or connecting the dots.
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This is a we’re in a very tough time in this world at this time, sir.
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let’s talk about the severity of COVID as a disease and infection from this virus that many believe was an engineered bioweapon in the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China, funded by our own United States governmental programs, ran by Dr. Anthony Fauci and all of the evidence is leading to that being most likely the truth and how it got released intentionally or unintentionally.
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We don’t know. I don’t know if we ever will know. But the fact that it was funded and designed through gain of function research to,
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basically what it does, infects all of the organs in the body, which there’s pretty much no natural virus that I think any virologists know about. Or if there is, it’s very, very, very, very, very rare of a virus that infects all over the body because viruses want their host to live so they can replicate right in something that affects, you know, from the lungs to the heart.
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It goes through the blood vessels all over the body. It’s causing issues everywhere. You know, that’s not a sustainable
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program for a virus. And so, you know, there’s so many pieces of evidence that lead to
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a logical conclusion that this was, you know, bioengineered in the laboratory to cause massive harm. And
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the disease itself for a lot of people is very severe.
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And some people shake it off like a bad cold. But even according to the data of the CDC early in the pandemic, you know, the majority of people who are hospitalized and die or have severe COVID are people with four co-morbidities, meaning you already have heart disease, you already have cancer, you already have diabetes, you already have autoimmune disease, you already have Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis, you already have a weakened immune system.
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Boom, the virus hits and now it’s severe and it is very severe for a lot of people. But then people are rushed into the hospital and they were put on remdesivir and ventilators, which we were told people were dying from COVID in the hospital. But what a lot of doctors who I’ve talked to who have been on the front lines this whole time as well have said, no, they’re not dying.
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A lot of these people who are on
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ventilators are not dying from COVID. They’re dying from the remdesivir and the ventilators.
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First of all,
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I’m involved with a group called the former Friends Group that’s looking at the widows and widowers and trying to get them support and even legal support for exactly what you said, the remdesivir, the ventilators, the fact that the governments get subsidized for putting people on ventilators.
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People talk about that.
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Yes, Remdesivir
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was a drug that was take it off the shelves
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because it had a 50% mortality rate with the Ebola. And when they put it back on the shelves, they moved the goalpost. They made the endpoint so it would be successful. Doctor Paul American, his testimonies could vouch for that. So, yes,
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Remdesivir, that’s true.
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And another thing, you know, I don’t know if you know my history in 2021, I went into hospitals and I was allowed to give ivermectin to people on ventilators who already had had remdesivir. At least two out of the three,
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and
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they were able to get help.
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with you and you say they were able to get help, what what did those people survive?
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They said yes. And I’ve written I was asked to write a chapter in a book that’s coming out in early next year, at the end of next year, where I talk about the three cases of people on ventilators, where adding ivermectin was it was the icing on the cake that helped them get off a ventilator. So that was yes, you said two out of three people survived or all three.
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No, no, three. All three survived. All three, All three. I mean, that’s a great that’s a great case study. But it’s only three people, right? Oh, well, let me help you with that. I’m not done with the story.
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You have to look to Dr. Jose Varon in Texas and Dr. Paul Merrick and Virginia. Between the two of them, they were ICU doctors.
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Between the two of them adding ivermectin with the steroids and the and anticoagulation and the ventilator. They actually got hundreds of people off ventilators, not just three hundreds of people off ventilators with the addition of the ivermectin.
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So, no, it’s not just three. And in New York,
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these are private situations because we had a fight that the original group who I worked with, the legal group, Ralph Larijani, his associates,
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they were being hired to get the judge to say in favor of trying the ivermectin.
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So there’s four 4 to 4 to eight known saves in the legal world that you would know about. But Dr. Varon and Dr. Marik were quietly, because they were the head of the unit, they were doing miraculous things. We’re talking about the really sick of the sick. And then you can go looking at Uttar Pradesh, 240 million people in India.
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They had the care package and the care package that was Preet that they didn’t think God didn’t have to go to the hospital. Included in the care package was Tylenol, definitely ivermectin. And there were many saves in certain Hispanic countries and in India from this. These are things that have been kept out of the public and, and research has been tampered with with respect to the ivermectin and showing because you have over 70 or 80 studies with good observational trials, randomized trials showing that ivermectin really is useful as an antiviral.
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And it’s got 19 other utilizations for the body. And I had to go to court and stick up for that drug based on some very good literature reviews. So, you know, there’s a lot of things that happened that were wrong. Something like simple, like fluid, sir, people I patients, they want to go to a hospital. And they were afraid about remdesivir, like you said.
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They said, oh, we’re going to die. We go there. You know, they had the right track. I had to write a document saying you should go because you’re having problems. I had patients refuse it and I begged them go back and they refused it. So I had to scramble for about three or four patients. That’s on my website.
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Some of the testimonials. One was the one on the ventilator, another one was at home, who then never got there. Thank God to the hospital. And we were giving her fluids, I.V., I.V., IV fluids and ivermectin and other things. And sometimes some of the patients that wouldn’t go needed to really turn it is sterile IV steroids per the FLC CC Protocol missile PRED is the choice.
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So I had to scramble a lot because people were afraid. And these people are all living, thank God. But they were very scary. But you want to know the key? What are the key things when we keep talking about all these great goodies? Is fluids normal sailing? Simple. Normal sailing. But because of the fear, some people say it was a conspiracy idea.
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But the doctors were so afraid to give fluids because they were afraid they would overload the patient. They dried up somebody with the virus. You know, when you go to the E.R., sir, that if you have a flu or some type of virus, you need fluids. What’s the same thing? If you have heart failure, you need IV fluids, normal sailing.
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A lot of that was held back out of fear or out of protocol, you know, And my my my nurse went into the homes, cast Katherine Ferguson. She she says, look at this Doctor Bain. She the patient needs less oxygen now. And the poll tax is going up just after a liter of normal sailing. So the basics were lost, sir.
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So the trust in doctors has really gone down the tubes. And I’m here to share the stories. Share the basic science discussion, basic clinical ideas, to beg people to to use their common sense and open their eyes to podcast like yours and others to bust through this, because we are losing our faith in our doctors. And there’s a lot of ignorance based on fear.
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There’s a lot of people who are owned by their their their hospital staff and they can’t think and forget the word outside the box. They can’t even clinically think, forget even the word outside the box. So Dr. Bain and these other guys and gals, doctors think outside the box. No, we’re just doing good medicine. Fluid, sir, Flow. It’s simple.
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Normal sailing. It was like miraculous.
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I want to go back to that Cleveland Clinic study, because what’s what’s fascinating about pooling, you know what we’re talking about what you were just talking about is the the various industries pulling the wool over people’s eyes. Right. And that study, they didn’t they weren’t doing the study to find out if the more vaccine doses you took made you more likely to be diagnosed with COVID.
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They were doing the study to try and find out, you know, if you took the bivalent vaccine, the COVID vaccine, would it protect you against the variants and so forth? And they did say that that’s what they found and improved. I think it was 30% increase improve in approval or reduction of or protection, however they worded it. But what they accidentally found out was that the more doses you took, the more likely you were to be diagnosed with COVID and what all of the so-called fact checkers and and so forth says, they say, well, it doesn’t prove causality.
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So you know, it doesn’t mean anything. And that’s a problem, right? Because that study may not prove causality, but it gives a very insight. You know, it gives a very important insight into, hey, we have a data set that shows and I think it was 50,000 employees of Cleveland Clinic. Right. So it’s a large number and a pretty accurate data set to say, hey, if you the more vaccine doses you had, actually, the more likely you are to be diagnosed with COVID.
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That is worth talking about. It’s worth looking further into it’s worth doing more research on. But instead of that, what the media does and what the so-called fact checkers do and what the sensors do is they say, Oh, no, that’s it doesn’t prove causality. So forget about they try to say forget about the whole thing, which is which is utter nonsense.
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And that’s what’s been happening this entire time. Right. As we have been lied to, we have been told certain numbers that aren’t totally true. You know, we we saw all the clips early on of of Biden, of Fauci, of the CNN News, anchored hosts saying if you get the vaccine, you will not spread COVID, which turned out to be a complete lie.
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Right. If you get the vaccine, you will not die, which turned out to be a complete lie. You know, if you get the vaccine, you will save grandma and grandpa and so forth. Again, complete lie. These things that we were told, many of us early on who were, you know, kind of behind the scenes and, you know, I was your front front line doctor working with patients.
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And I had been having lots of conversations with doctors like yourself along the way. And they were all saying to me exactly what you’re saying now. And the opposite of what we were being told by the government, the CDC and the W.H.O. in the mainstream media, they were saying, no, number one, these hospitals are not full of COVID patients.
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When we were getting all these reports, you know, they’re like, no, our hospitals empty. They won’t let patients come in here because it’s all our cancer patients can’t come in because it’s supposed to be only for COVID patients. Our entire hospital is empty right now. And all of a sudden on mainstream media, says hospitals full all around the country.
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You know, COVID deaths, people dying everywhere, you know, etc., etc.. And it’s like how many of those hospitals were actually like that? Three, five, seven out of hundreds and thousands. Right. And so there were so many lies. And this is this is the thing that is important for us to talk about and and recognize so that we don’t fall for
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all of these lies ever again.
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100% everything you’re saying. Agreed.
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You were part of helping develop a protocol. You know, saving patients lives.
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I would hearken back to November of 2020 where Dr. McCullough was my mentor, and I had two people that had to go to a hospital.
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And he he gives the whole menu. So I would get on the phone with him. Bless his heart. He would answer the phone and say, all right, well, this is why we’re here. Okay, Well, at this, subtract that. So I just represent a mixture of three or four protocols. You have Dr. Chetty, who didn’t have much. This is South Africa.
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Unknown
He would use a lot of antihistamines and and prednisone agents. I don’t know that he had a lot of ivermectin around in South Africa. So he would start at day eight because that’s when you know what hits the fan date back in the days of Delta. So I would use some of those ideas. I would use ideas of a great one is Dr. Robert Bartlett, which was the budesonide, you know, giving.
00:25:16:14 – 00:25:31:08
Unknown
Actually, people will say that their lives were saved when they got nebulizer budesonide every 2 hours in Texas. And then there was a study called the Stroke Trial that showed that it had a lot of promise and then
00:25:31:08 – 00:25:43:05
Unknown
obviously there’s the FLC. CC So I would it’s not my I don’t have a personal protocol. It’s just knowing the physiology, learning the physiology, knowing what needs to be done at the time.
00:25:43:05 – 00:26:08:11
Unknown
so what did you see clinically and what, what were kind of the main you said inhaled budesonide ivermectin and you know, were you doing any high dose vitamin C? Well, yeah, I think like what is what does it look like. What depends on the patient you see because you can’t make generalizations. But one person I have, I had him at the house, he didn’t want to go to the hospital.
00:26:08:13 – 00:26:10:05
Unknown
He was at high dose
00:26:10:05 – 00:26:57:14
Unknown
oral prednisone. He was on testosterone blockers because that at the time was noted to help a little bit at the time he was on high dose vitamin D, right. I ivermectin hydroxychloroquine, but he still didn’t get better and so he needed he needed a nurse to get over there. And it was it was the thing that really that I thought was the key for people just to put them over the edge when they couldn’t handle was the I.V. prednisone, I.V. methylprednisolone and the I.V. well, or oral anticoagulation, because you have to understand that told me it is a vascular viral viral infecting thing.
00:26:57:14 – 00:27:28:22
Unknown
It didn’t that’s where the mistake was, that you have to understand that the there’s a lot of clotting that occurred when it got really bad during the days of the Delta variant Delta. So the treatments changed because then we went into overcrowded you didn’t need the agents. So basically the anticoagulation agents, basically if you saw somebody when the oxygen was going down, you really sort of using anticoagulation agents, oral.
00:27:28:22 – 00:27:54:06
Unknown
So that’s what we did. And sometimes existing was bad. We needed IV IV fluids, IV steroids. These were these are for the tough cases. Now, the for the easier cases at the house, which could turn bad, it was oral oral prednisone at the right time, ivermectin hydroxy at the right time. Lots of vitamins and even antihistamines like Pepcid.
00:27:54:06 – 00:28:03:02
Unknown
Pepcid is also an antihistamine. So and antihistamines are very important in this illness to try to utilize.
00:28:03:02 – 00:28:29:21
Unknown
Is that still true to this day or what are you doing with patients now? Well, now we’re in the long COVID era and the shot injured. And we still need to look at this as a histamine problem. So, yeah, histamines are still big on the list and we have to pick the right antihistamine that’s going to do the trick because with long COVID and shot injured or the mixture, people are getting headaches, shortness of breath, tingling, all these things that they’re going to need.
00:28:29:23 – 00:28:48:11
Unknown
Ivermectin, sometimes, steroids sometimes. And the big thing now, I have to tell you, is looking for micro clots. And so there’s two places in the world, one, the United States and the one began in South Africa under Dr. Pretorius, who was a Ph.D. And they’ve been putting people on triple
00:28:48:11 – 00:28:56:16
Unknown
anticoagulant protocols or antiplatelet anticoagulant protocols, because people are not getting better with their long COVID.
00:28:56:18 – 00:29:14:22
Unknown
And there’s a lot of micro clots making a lot of this problem. So we’re looking we’re skirmishing to look for the right tests, which I have. I’m using QUEST Diagnostic experts for hints of the right tests to prove micro clots. So if you had to say, what’s the future hold, you’d be looking for inflammation. As we all been doing.
00:29:15:02 – 00:29:31:08
Unknown
It’d be looking for antihistamine continuation and definitely looking for suggestions through bloodwork and specialized micro microscope work of micro clots. So that’s going to be a big lie and share with my practice.
00:29:31:08 – 00:29:33:15
Unknown
the other thing is take these people that went
00:29:33:15 – 00:29:34:15
Unknown
on treadmills.
00:29:34:15 – 00:29:40:03
Unknown
They are everybody needs to look whether you had the virus or you had the shot or both.
00:29:40:05 – 00:30:07:10
Unknown
You have to be looking for vascular issues through looking, finding more advanced techniques for micro clots, really small clots that that that gunk up the system bottom line that gunk up the system. So it could be gumming up mitochondrial issues maybe or dunking up really small small vascular vessels. So we really all all of us doctors need to be thinking that way as well, in my opinion,
00:30:07:10 – 00:30:11:16
Unknown
based on what I’ve seen with some of these other experts that have already begun this process.
00:30:11:18 – 00:30:17:13
Unknown
Now, how are they testing today for COVID? Are they still using the PCR test?
00:30:17:13 – 00:30:18:10
Unknown
They still are
00:30:18:10 – 00:30:20:09
Unknown
They’re still using the home test, too.
00:30:20:09 – 00:30:36:18
Unknown
So talk about the PCR test for a moment. And I mean, everything that I learned about it really early on in the pandemic is that it is the worst diagnostic test for a virus like a coronavirus and is highly inaccurate and overinflated cases.
00:30:36:18 – 00:30:42:12
Unknown
I think you’re right. If you’re going to do data and to scare scare the you know what out of everybody,
00:30:42:12 – 00:30:43:09
Unknown
you’re right.
00:30:43:09 – 00:30:49:13
Unknown
But if it’s positive and you have symptoms that look like COVID, you could say maybe
00:30:49:13 – 00:30:51:11
Unknown
the naysayers say, oh, yeah, you do this.
00:30:51:11 – 00:31:08:23
Unknown
And so everybody’s got that and everybody’s positive was the idea is clinically which symptoms you you use. I agree with you when it comes to data but you use what you can if it’s if you don’t if you lose your sense of smell and you’re positive, I can say maybe it’s valuable. Right.
00:31:08:23 – 00:31:16:06
Unknown
But then if you have no symptoms and your positives with a PCR could say, yeah, maybe it’s too sensitive.
00:31:16:09 – 00:31:35:19
Unknown
Does that make sense? It’s too sensitive. It always comes back to the patient, Nathan. It always comes back. What’s the clinical picture along with it? We have people saying that this microclimate stuff is a is bull pucky, so to speak, because, well, yeah, you can have a diabetic that has micro clots and everybody makes micro clots and everybody could be having this.
00:31:35:21 – 00:31:53:19
Unknown
It’s you got to match it with the symptoms. Nothing is 100%. And that’s when you get statisticians that know how to and fact checkers that know how to just do a song and dance and sleight of hand because they’re not doctors on us. So at the end of the day is what does it what does it look like inside the patient.
00:31:53:21 – 00:32:17:05
Unknown
So when you look at data, you get these genius statisticians and they sit there and they think that they can determine what’s true, what’s not. At the end of the day, it’s good observational trials. It’s listen to your lieutenant in your private first class on the ground and stop just doing public policy thinking. Practice medicine with public policy and statisticians.
00:32:17:07 – 00:32:22:19
Unknown
So no wonder there’s lying and lying about all of this. They’re not on the ground with all of us.
00:32:22:19 – 00:32:37:17
Unknown
going back to the documents that the I believe it was it was the CDC or the HHS had sent out to the hospitals on counting COVID cases on death certificates.
00:32:37:19 – 00:32:50:11
Unknown
Right. So talking about over inflation of cases and actually there’s a lawsuit that will probably go to the Supreme Court that has all the evidence to prove data manipulation and data fraud to over
00:32:50:11 – 00:33:05:08
Unknown
exaggerate and hyper inflate the case count. I just did a great interview with Dr. Henry Ely, all about this. His team has been working on this for the last couple of years and, like I said, will most likely end up at the Supreme Court and
00:33:05:08 – 00:33:19:06
Unknown
looks like they have a big chance of winning because they have all the evidence that shows that, you know, if you cough, if you had a cough or runny nose, a fever, or even without a test,
00:33:19:12 – 00:33:41:05
Unknown
you were supposed to be counted as a COVID case. Now, the crazy thing about that to me is you could cough, have a fever, have a runny nose, and it could be a million different things, right? It could be a viral infection of any thousands of kinds of viruses. It could be a bacterial infection of any kind of thousands of bacterias.
00:33:41:05 – 00:34:05:21
Unknown
It could be an allergic reaction. It could be any number of thousands of things. But yet you’re supposed to be count as a COVID case. And then, you know, let’s say you are sick and you need some help. Well, the problem is, is if you’re getting treatments for something that is not necessarily what it actually is. So we have these PCR tests.
00:34:05:21 – 00:34:19:04
Unknown
Let’s say you’re coughing, take a PCR test. They say you have COVID. Now they’re treating you for COVID in the hospital. There’s not. There’s not doing anything really effective for COVID, are they?
00:34:19:04 – 00:34:32:23
Unknown
in the day when, you know, you had Delta and Macron and well, Delta, let’s say, you know, they finally got around to the idea steroids is useful, but they never gave enough.
00:34:32:23 – 00:34:55:05
Unknown
First of all, that was good. I’m trying to be positive right now. Did they have anything good? No, they really didn’t. But they still were open to steroid. Finally, not enough. Not the right one in my opinion. Anticoagulation very important. They were they were doing that, but they didn’t have the other mixtures like we know ivermectin or hydroxy.
00:34:55:05 – 00:35:01:13
Unknown
They would use the remdesivir and that’s been just useless and actually
00:35:01:13 – 00:35:02:17
Unknown
killing people.
00:35:02:17 – 00:35:16:23
Unknown
I’m being too fair, huh? No, they didn’t really have much. I’m being over, you know, they didn’t they really they didn’t give fluids enough. So if I had to say no, I’d say no because they never gave enough fluids. So I’m going to say you’re right.
00:35:16:23 – 00:35:19:07
Unknown
They, they really they really didn’t.
00:35:19:07 – 00:35:21:11
Unknown
Basic medical principles.
00:35:21:11 – 00:35:22:21
Unknown
Well, and we know that,
00:35:22:21 – 00:35:42:15
Unknown
too, for an emergency use authorization to be able to go through, which is how they push these vaccines through so quickly, was the only, you know, legally the only way you’re allowed to to push, you know, rapidly push, you know, experimental vaccines to the public like that is through an EUA.
00:35:42:17 – 00:36:15:01
Unknown
And the only way to get an EUA legally passed is if there’s no current effective treatment protocol against that particular disease. Yes. Which makes sense of why they were putting down ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. These are very cheap, affordable, easily accessible. You know, You know, ivermectin, for example, very low, low, low toxicity has been around for decades, has been used, you know, won the Nobel Prize.
00:36:15:01 – 00:36:24:03
Unknown
Right. And 15. Yeah. Is a very well known antiviral, has a very well known antiviral application.
00:36:24:03 – 00:36:38:02
Unknown
Many doctors were using it successfully with their patients. But if you mention it still today on YouTube, if we mention ivermectin as a treatment for COVID, they will immediately delete the video immediately. It’s still in their policies.
00:36:38:04 – 00:37:06:04
Unknown
So social media giants were brought in to the censorship of this Facebook, YouTube, Twitter before Ellen purchased it. And if you mention any, you know, vitamin D, zinc, vitamin C, ivermectin, immediately my videos were taken down. Doctors and scientist videos are taken down. The information couldn’t get out to the public to enough people in time for people to realize, hey, I’ve got alternative options.
00:37:06:06 – 00:37:27:09
Unknown
I don’t have to wait for a vaccine. I don’t have to do remdesivir on a ventilator. I could try other things preemptively, proactively before I get super sick. And if I do get super sick, that was Dr. Peter Macaulay. He figured out really early on that, hey, if you use as a prophylaxis and you you get on top of this early,
00:37:27:09 – 00:37:28:11
Unknown
he saw like a
00:37:28:11 – 00:37:32:06
Unknown
what was the number, 99.9% recovery.
00:37:32:11 – 00:37:53:03
Unknown
I’ll give you another thing. You’re very research data driven here. Héctor Cavallo put out a study for his own work or his own medical staff where they gave ivermectin and a lot of those that did preemptive ivermectin were going into intensive care units and they had less of a sickness. Incidence
00:37:53:03 – 00:37:57:00
Unknown
So I want to like highlight the lies that you speak about.
00:37:57:00 – 00:38:00:15
Unknown
I’ll give you an example is I have a test
00:38:00:15 – 00:38:13:24
Unknown
and in my doctor’s office, you know, Chicago Health and Wellness Alliance, if I have a test that proves X oh, we are the answer. I took that through my office we have a test. Now I’m going to treat you.
00:38:14:01 – 00:38:22:21
Unknown
Yeah, but maybe there’s a conflict of interest. I’m the one doing the test, right. Chicago Health tools. And then
00:38:22:21 – 00:38:37:19
Unknown
I’m the one giving the answer. Well, look at Pfizer. True or false? Pfizer did its own studies, and here’s the product. Oh, by the way, we have the product, too. So from the get go. Well, it’s a pandemic. It’s a pandemic.
00:38:37:19 – 00:38:52:10
Unknown
And, you know, everybody’s getting away with everything just because it’s a pandemic. So, you know, where’s the independent study from Pfizer’s shot? Where is that? I want to know. Never was. Then we’re going to tell you remember the 99% effective
00:38:52:10 – 00:38:53:20
Unknown
the shot. You remember that?
00:38:53:20 – 00:38:59:18
Unknown
is a complete when you look at that study, you realize it was it was a complete lie.
00:38:59:20 – 00:39:14:13
Unknown
like you said. So I you know, I know you’re good at reading these things. Yeah, I started that way in the beginning, like asking all these experts because I wanted to know it just like you. The relative risk ratio, the relative risk reduction, you know, was like with relative was 99%.
00:39:14:13 – 00:39:43:02
Unknown
Oh, my God. But the absolute it was like 0.78. So you needed, what, 100 people to get one save out of the, out of this messenger RNA vaccine. You needed 20 you needed It was much more than that. I believe it was something like you needed like 22,000 doses of vaccine to get to get one save and if you look at the population, then you compare the safety side of it or the death side.
00:39:43:02 – 00:40:07:16
Unknown
Then you look at the data that showed actually, I think it was either three people or five people died of other situations heart attacks, myocarditis, etc.. The sham. Yeah. And so but they never shared that data publicly. They never nobody ever announced it. All they said was, hey, it’s 100% effective. It’s going to stop COVID, it’s going to save your life, etc., etc..
00:40:07:16 – 00:40:31:01
Unknown
But by the way, we got to give 22,000 shots to save one person. And by the way, three, three people out of those 20,000 are all are going to die of other things. So actually, the real data shows that for every 22,000 shots, three people are to die from other. You know, and I don’t know if those numbers are exactly correct, but it’s very close to that.
00:40:31:02 – 00:40:32:00
Unknown
It’s very close to that.
00:40:32:00 – 00:40:38:24
Unknown
Yeah, because well, you know, Doctor is are not good at statistics. I didn’t know about relative risk ratio and absolute I didn’t know And then I hear
00:40:38:24 – 00:40:50:13
Unknown
I think it was a Dr. Campbell or I think trying to remember it was I don’t think it was the the great nurse Dr. Campbell but it’s from UK.
00:40:50:13 – 00:40:54:21
Unknown
But it was another one. But, but exactly on the same page. We are on that.
00:40:54:21 – 00:41:09:09
Unknown
they were making Johnson Johnson the fall guy with the clots. Oh JNJ, here’s the more clots. They never looked at the Pfizer they like moved the camera, so to speak. They were just as much or more clot things going on in the very system.
00:41:09:11 – 00:41:21:05
Unknown
And then there was with J and J. So there is a whole big you know, this is all about money, all about money, perhaps all fear and all about not caring, caring about patients,
00:41:21:05 – 00:41:24:22
Unknown
totally not caring about patients, and the patients in the middle,
00:41:24:22 – 00:41:29:08
Unknown
And I just want to show people who are watching, these are not nothing here we’re talking about is made up.
00:41:29:08 – 00:41:58:23
Unknown
This is all documented. You can see these studies for yourself online. I mean, this is published right in PubMed. You know, the efficacy and effectiveness of COVID 19 vaccine. This is the Johnson Johnson absolute versus relative risk reduction. This is the number, they say 95% relative risk reduction for the I’m sorry, for the Pfizer Biontech vaccine. And the .85 percent absolute relative risk, less than 1%.
00:41:59:00 – 00:42:06:08
Unknown
Right. So so talk about that number for a moment and why that’s actually important for people to know the absolute risk reduction.
00:42:06:08 – 00:42:24:06
Unknown
Again, I’m not a statistician, but that’s the key number. You have to look at the way you were saying it. You’ve got of people you need to get one save and it’s it’s horrible. That number. That’s the number you have to look at is the point.
00:42:24:06 – 00:42:29:11
Unknown
That’s the only thing I can tell you. The relative risk is not the one you look at,
00:42:29:11 – 00:42:35:24
Unknown
The public was told, you know, you have a you have this basically a 95 to 100%
00:42:35:24 – 00:42:40:08
Unknown
effective rate. That’s what they said. Right. It’s 100% effective is what a lot of people are saying.
00:42:40:08 – 00:42:44:16
Unknown
Then they said it’s 99% effective. Then it says 95 effective. But that’s what everyone was told
00:42:44:16 – 00:43:02:16
Unknown
average person is going to think when they hear that is, oh, it’s 100% effective against saving me or my family or preventing transmission, etc.. And then we were even told that by the mainstream media and the government, you’re not going to get COVID, you’re not going to spread it when you get the shot.
00:43:02:16 – 00:43:29:18
Unknown
now the studies are showing again, correlative studies that need to be researched further but are very convincing. The more shots you have, the more likely you are to actually contract COVID. And plus, we’re seeing all of these I mean, I mean, thousands and thousands and thousands of deaths from people, healthy people generally, healthy people after the vaccine are dying.
00:43:29:18 – 00:43:54:01
Unknown
Now, again, we can’t say 100% their their cause of death was from the vaccine. We have these healthy athletes and they get their third booster shot and 48 hours later, they die from myocarditis. So, you know, we have to worry about is how the public sees something obvious, what a good athlete or a young soul dying in their sleep.
00:43:54:01 – 00:43:57:00
Unknown
And it’s just it doesn’t register
00:43:57:00 – 00:44:03:18
Unknown
we have a bigger problem. Why is it not registering? This is a problem. Why do you think that is?
00:44:03:18 – 00:44:20:02
Unknown
it’s almost gobsmacking. And for mixing in too deep for me, you know, it’s okay. I could just speak in general first that narratives are very well crafted and created by billions of dollars.
00:44:20:04 – 00:44:59:13
Unknown
And we’ve become gullible. We’ve lost our sense of our common sense. We’re looking at what people say and believing that they say we’re having a crisis in critical basic thinking, common sense thinking, and it goes with even politics. You can be nudged in any direction. Somehow the media can me answer that. What I just said is somehow the media has access to our emotional system and it got access to even the geniuses and the emotional system because they’re afraid that their mom and dad were going to die or whatever.
00:44:59:19 – 00:45:06:08
Unknown
And they’re statisticians. Nobody was thinking correctly. It’s almost you want to talk about a virus
00:45:06:08 – 00:45:14:12
Unknown
it’s a portal on all of the world, it’s like a virus of a virus of ignorance,
00:45:14:12 – 00:45:16:02
Unknown
for lack of a better word,
00:45:16:02 – 00:45:18:19
Unknown
of a virus of
00:45:18:19 – 00:45:19:24
Unknown
of.
00:45:19:24 – 00:45:21:18
Unknown
It’s almost it’s not hypnotic,
00:45:21:18 – 00:45:26:16
Unknown
it spreads to. That’s the point. The ignorance spreads, right?
00:45:26:18 – 00:45:29:11
Unknown
Ignorance spreads. It’s a you know, and
00:45:29:11 – 00:45:45:21
Unknown
it’s Madison Avenue and rich folks taking control and we’re nobody and we’re on the ground. Most doctors and other folks, we got to punch through this thing. How do you punch through rich people to keep who who control the media
00:45:45:21 – 00:45:49:02
Unknown
we’ve got to pierce this man and we’ve got to pierce it somehow.
00:45:49:02 – 00:46:01:21
Unknown
It’s trashing research. It’s trashing politicians. Good meaning politicians, well-meaning. It’s trashing well-meaning doctors. This money control of the narrative and
00:46:01:21 – 00:46:02:23
Unknown
the airwaves
00:46:02:23 – 00:46:13:19
Unknown
It’s trashing all these things that we need it’s not only trashing that, it’s trashing morality. It’s. It’s hijacking our morality and goodwill.
00:46:13:21 – 00:46:32:11
Unknown
Oh, you’ll save your parents, then you’ll do the right thing. And we know let’s go back to data, because you’re very data driven, which is good, and you pull me back always. That’s good. The nasal carriage rate of a vaccinated person versus the nasal carriage rate of the virus, I mean, of of of somebody who got COVID is the same.
00:46:32:13 – 00:46:44:17
Unknown
So it does nothing getting the shot. I have a patient where an older man in his eighties died because he didn’t want a shot and his triple vaccinated great niece brought it home to him.
00:46:44:17 – 00:46:51:01
Unknown
So he’s dead because he didn’t get vaccinated. And we want to made a difference maybe at his age, but
00:46:51:01 – 00:46:54:12
Unknown
because he got sick because of somebody vaccinate.
00:46:54:12 – 00:47:02:14
Unknown
So how many of these people who are vaccinated and maybe it gives some sort of protection, they’re spreading it.
00:47:02:14 – 00:47:13:16
Unknown
They’re actually the spreaders. Not that just flip it. The unvaccinated aren’t the spreaders. The the real spreaders are the ones who feel good and can spread and they don’t know they got it.
00:47:13:16 – 00:47:17:08
Unknown
How about that? Flip it. You can easily make an argument that way
00:47:17:08 – 00:47:18:24
Unknown
It’s true and
00:47:18:24 – 00:47:26:12
Unknown
the biggest problem I saw during the pandemic, I mean, we’re still kind of in the pandemic.
00:47:26:12 – 00:47:55:12
Unknown
If you believe if you believe the media, if you believe what we’re you know, what’s being told, I mean, people are still getting sick, people are still dying. But we’re way beyond any thing how it you know, compared to 20, 20 or 2021, for example. But that was the problem I saw was this incredible divisiveness. You know, I was living in Santa Fe, New Mexico, very strong, you know, liberal Democratic city and state.
00:47:55:14 – 00:48:19:02
Unknown
And our governor was doing everything the California governor was doing, locking everything down, shutting down the schools, literally roping off parks. You couldn’t take your children outside in the sunshine to a park. You know, you would get harassed going up to you know, they were closing off hiking trails in the mountains, the safest, cleanest air places you could be.
00:48:19:04 – 00:48:39:10
Unknown
I mean, just really insane things. You could you know, you once they kind of opened restaurants again after they were closed for a long time, you had to wear a mask. But that was until you got to your table and you could take the mask off and be surrounded by everybody without a mask. And then to get up and go to the restroom, literally, if you would go to the restroom
00:48:39:10 – 00:48:41:10
Unknown
without a mask, they would kick you out.
00:48:41:10 – 00:48:58:22
Unknown
I mean, I got kicked out of so many places, I wouldn’t wear a mask because I saw how ridiculous it was. So, yeah, put on a mask. Walk to your table on the table. Take it off. You won’t go the restroom. Put the mask back on all the time. You’re touching things. You’re picking up bacteria, you’re picking up viruses, you’re touching the mask, you’re putting it on the mask.
00:48:58:22 – 00:49:18:00
Unknown
Put it on your face. So like I saw early on, I’m like, I’m going to spread viruses And bacteria is more by doing wearing a mask and not wearing one. Right. When a doctor in a hospital environment is doing surgery or something like that and wearing a mask, I mean, you know, hands are washed, gloves are put on, a mask is put on.
00:49:18:05 – 00:49:45:14
Unknown
You know, it’s used for that. Our everything’s then thrown away. That’s a totally different environment than people wearing masks. 24, seven. Take them on, off, on, off, on, off. It’s we know that it didn’t help anything, but we were we were pushed through fear and we were pushed through misinformation to take, you know, actions that actually were worse for us as individuals.
00:49:45:14 – 00:50:04:17
Unknown
And so, you know, I was living in Santa Fe, New Mexico, where this was happening at a very, very extreme rate. And, you know, I knew it’s like I can’t I can’t raise my kids in environment. I can’t do it. It’s I’m going to raise them around all this fear and around all this misinformation. And, you know, they can’t go to school.
00:50:04:17 – 00:50:41:09
Unknown
They’re out of school for like a year and a half. They were going to keep the schools closed again, you know, then they were going to start forcing vaccines on the kids when, you know, kids were not getting seriously sick from COVID and they were not dying from COVID. And then they’re going to force vaccinate your children like, are you kidding me with this experimental drug that has no long term safety data and you’re going to force this on our kids who have literally next to 0% chance of death or being seriously sick?
00:50:41:09 – 00:51:02:20
Unknown
Yeah, unfortunately, a couple of kids did die here and there, but that the risk of the shot compared to the risk of the disease was significantly more to have the risk of the shot. And so it’s like, why am I going to why am I going to risk that? And talking about the mind virus, I mean, that’s what it is.
00:51:02:20 – 00:51:04:20
Unknown
It’s a mind virus of fear.
00:51:04:20 – 00:51:19:09
Unknown
the problem that I saw living in. That was exactly the opposite of what you just said, which what you said is hundred percent true. Vaccinated people have been and are spreading not only the virus but variants of the virus.
00:51:19:11 – 00:51:56:13
Unknown
We know that the you know, top virologists and scientists claim that that the vaccine, you know, vaccinating during a pandemic is going to increase the likelihood of variants being formed out of the vaccination process. Right. But we are being told unvaccinated people are the problem. Unvaccinated people are spreading the disease, unvaccinated people are killing people. And so if you walked around without a mask or you weren’t vaccinated, you know, you were demonized, you were kicked out of stores, you couldn’t do certain things and go on airplanes and go in certain places.
00:51:56:15 – 00:52:36:02
Unknown
And, you know, that kind of mentality is a massive problem for society. This us versus them, this, you know, they’re the bad guys, we’re the good guys. And what they is, they just pitted us against each other as a society. And rather than actually look at who the real bad guys are, the pharmaceutical companies that don’t care about your health, that only care about profits, you know, the the the governing bodies, the CDC, W.H.O., the FDA that are in bed with all these giant corporations and pharma companies and getting their funding from them and owning patents on the vaccines and, you know, have a vested financial interest in the production of these vaccines.
00:52:36:04 – 00:52:55:13
Unknown
You know, all of this collusion, the people are really doing the bad stuff. Those are the people that we should be focusing against, but instead they pit us against each other. So while I agree with you that actually, yeah, the vaccinated people are spreading it just as the unvaccinated people were, I don’t think that’s also a solution moving forward.
00:52:55:13 – 00:53:18:17
Unknown
Right. I think we have to find a way to come together to understand each other, to accept each other, to bring this truth and awareness out and help people realize, look, it’s not vaccinated or unvaccinated a problem. It’s these freakin evil people in power that need to be removed and new systems put in place to prevent that corruption from ever happening again.
00:53:18:17 – 00:53:29:17
Unknown
You were just there. You keep saying it’s all about those big companies dividing and conquering us, making us fight amongst each other, and they get to just reap the profits
00:53:29:17 – 00:53:40:20
Unknown
I’m tired of feeling like an ant that can be stepped on. And that’s the way these people look at us. They can step on the doctors, make the doctors give the shots because they want to keep their jobs.
00:53:40:22 – 00:53:44:17
Unknown
Everybody with their corporate America corporatocracy, I call it
00:53:44:17 – 00:53:46:17
Unknown
corporate cratic behavior,
00:53:46:17 – 00:53:51:19
Unknown
corporate or autocratic behavior, whatever you want to do. The whole idea of
00:53:51:19 – 00:54:10:03
Unknown
putting together private companies with the W.H.O. dumping all this money. It’s got to stop. You can’t be mixing private with public funds. And that’s what you see right then you keep seeing over and over again nation.
00:54:10:06 – 00:54:26:05
Unknown
How are we going to you know, when one person works for the CDC, where he works for the government, then he gets to work for Pfizer. That’s got to stop. That’s all conflict of interest. Nobody cares about us here on the ground.
00:54:26:05 – 00:54:31:22
Unknown
We’re like little ants to be stepped upon and we need a new system of some sort.
00:54:31:22 – 00:54:41:18
Unknown
I’m not speaking of any anarchistic, but we need to take control like you said. So I’m on your same page with all this. How are we going to bust through all that?
00:54:41:18 – 00:54:45:12
Unknown
Just say no. Everybody’s so tired when they go to work, they’re like,
00:54:45:12 – 00:54:52:06
Unknown
waking people up. I’m begging everybody to look at the dead folks from the shot, to look at the causes.
00:54:52:06 – 00:55:16:08
Unknown
I know I’m I’m. I’m fit. I am begging Doctor Bain, Ellen Bain is begging people to wake up. I am begging people to say it doesn’t make sense for an athlete to drop dead in their sleep or a young little soul to drop dead. Something doesn’t make sense. Congressman, are you going to do about it? I’m begging you, Congressman.
00:55:16:08 – 00:55:21:11
Unknown
I voted for you. I’m begging you, President. Come on and do something.
00:55:21:11 – 00:55:24:07
Unknown
Exactly that Doctors like you speaking up,
00:55:24:07 – 00:55:38:18
Unknown
you know, going against the grain. I mean, risking your own career to speak out like this, Right? I mean, how many doctors licenses were taken away by saying the same things in 2020, 2021,
00:55:38:18 – 00:55:42:04
Unknown
putting your own career on the line for the greater good.
00:55:42:10 – 00:56:00:03
Unknown
But that’s what it takes. It takes all of us standing up to these tyrants, speaking the truth, saying, like you said, saying no to things that we don’t agree with or feel that are right and protecting our freedom of choice, our medical freedom.
00:56:00:03 – 00:56:04:19
Unknown
Yes. And I want to dovetail into that or converge into what you just said, the right.
00:56:04:19 – 00:56:32:15
Unknown
So in these court cases, there was this right to try idea which it was the spirit of that because it’s more of a mechanistic idea getting into a phase three trial. So in court, can’t we try the right to try ivermectin, The right to try? That’s what the last administration did. But I would say and then we have the the idea of the right to life, which goes with the abortion idea.
00:56:32:17 – 00:57:02:01
Unknown
Okay, this is a little bit of a twisted I’ve come up with. It’s the right to fight for your own lives. Why why do we not have the right to fight for what is right? We need the right to fight for something like an off label drug. We’re losing our rights to fight. Even so, if we lose our rights to fight or to do real Nathan Real science is dialog.
00:57:02:03 – 00:57:21:05
Unknown
So everybody says, follow the science. It’s a bunch of crap because there’s no dialog. The minute you stop dialog, you stop science. So everybody’s going on, even in the administration, follow the science, you follow nothing because that’s not science. Science is the dynamic of discussion and testing.
00:57:21:05 – 00:57:36:14
Unknown
So all of that’s been flipped on us, that’s anti-science, all these mandates and everything and not allowing us like you said, the self determination to make our own decisions with the help of knowledgeable people.
00:57:36:16 – 00:57:45:10
Unknown
So I’m into the right to the right to fight for our lives. That’s what we’re all about here. We’re fighting to stay alive.
00:57:45:10 – 00:57:47:24
Unknown
And you had to actually go to court
00:57:47:24 – 00:57:55:14
Unknown
to present a case to be able to administer ivermectin to those patients who wanted it. Is that right?
00:57:55:14 – 00:57:57:24
Unknown
I was an expert witness for these cases.
00:57:57:24 – 00:58:00:02
Unknown
There were like six or seven some we lost.
00:58:00:02 – 00:58:03:22
Unknown
But these three that I won that are all like happy at home. And, you know,
00:58:03:22 – 00:58:16:05
Unknown
the opposing counsel would ask me questions like, you know, Dr. Bailey, don’t you realize that the CDC says that the Ivermectin is is is not is not authorized? And why are you doing this?
00:58:16:05 – 00:58:39:00
Unknown
Dr. Baden? And I would say, well, it’s not and I learned this from a great lawyer. It’s not unauthorized, meaning it’s not forbidden. It’s off label. It’s absolutely not unauthorized. And then when they there was another court case where they they might have lost it with the CDC, FDA said, well, we didn’t really tell the people not to do it.
00:58:39:00 – 00:58:46:20
Unknown
They were like backpedaling. There was one case where I think it might have been Dr. Merrick’s case. I’m one of the cases where
00:58:46:20 – 00:59:09:20
Unknown
what we didn’t really tell them that they were they were doing some song and dance, sir. And yes, I had to tell the the judge that there is medical reason because ivermectin has 20 different activities and that and it was always argued, well, you know, we’re in ten days, 11 days, it’s not antiviral anymore.
00:59:09:21 – 00:59:31:06
Unknown
Yeah, it’s not. But it also in the literature shows it can soften the lungs. It could it has a lot of other activities by slowing down the cytokine storm. All the all the, all the histamine response patterns that could kill you. So there are so many activities that this drug did. It’s you know, but they had to have their answer.
00:59:31:06 – 01:00:00:06
Unknown
It depicts a lot of it. They thought that they found the key to slow it and then they were trashing a simple drug. Yes, I did go to court and I had to stick up for the drug because I believe it’s an innocent drug. On some levels. People have died from it, but like 0.0000, that’s that’s no different than penicillin, where maybe for 3 to 500 people die per year for anaphylaxis, that never happens in ivermectin.
01:00:00:06 – 01:00:17:23
Unknown
Never. So what are we going to do, take penicillin off the market? Or what about the people that liver failure when they overdose with Tylenol, you don’t see Tylenol taken off the market, You don’t see penicillin because it saved billions of lives. Well, suppose ivermectin done its fair share after 30 to 40 billion dosages.
01:00:17:23 – 01:00:22:23
Unknown
For the most part, we would say that maybe penicillin, if there’s no anaphylaxis, is an innocent drug.
01:00:22:23 – 01:00:25:00
Unknown
I could say the same about ivermectin.
01:00:25:00 – 01:00:56:02
Unknown
So in these court cases, this was the patient. This was one of your these were your patients. These patients hired the attorney and they knew that I was going to go to court on their behalf with the plaintiff and and state their case that, in my opinion, I’ve seen successes from adding this drug, adding this drug to the regimen and when I got in on it, three or four people got off ventilators in New York already.
01:00:56:04 – 01:01:30:06
Unknown
They already got off of it. And so these were patients that were already sick and they had to go in and fight for their own choice to be administered. Ivermectin in the hospital. Is that would happen? Yes. Yes. It’s not that they put it down. Yes. That’s so insane. That’s insane. Yes, it’s insane. It’s like. Yes. Yeah. I mean, you know, whether in in I know that doctors were told in hospitals by hospital administrators that if you give ivermectin, you will be fired across the country.
01:01:30:06 – 01:01:55:11
Unknown
It was happening. So doctors were scared, too. They were seeing the data and they had ideas about it and they were hearing the lectures from Dr. Peter Mercola and Dr. Marik and many of the others as well. But they wouldn’t administer it because they weren’t looking for a doctor. Dr. Pierre Cause they weren’t willing to lose their their livelihood and their job.
01:01:55:13 – 01:02:19:05
Unknown
They were afraid, you know, they were afraid. Now, how is that now? Is ivermectin allowed in hospitals now in doctors? No, not for COVID. I don’t believe in it. I don’t know about Tennessee because Tennessee, the governor actually got it passed. Ohio has a bill where doctors can prescribe ivermectin hydroxy Tennessee, I think, finally has that. New hampshire was looking at that.
01:02:19:07 – 01:02:42:14
Unknown
Those are three states. I know there might be something more lenient in Oklahoma. Not sure about that, but definitely Tennessee and and Ohio’s is is soon or maybe already did pass the ability for doctors to write for it. But in the hospitals, I’m not convinced that that’s happening. I don’t think that’s happening at all. And I mean, Doctor Merritt got
01:02:42:14 – 01:02:57:20
Unknown
fired from Syntagma, the hospital, because he kept doing his protocol and the powers that be, wherever they are that we you know, somehow he was no longer able to be at that hospital and he saved hundreds of lives.
01:02:57:20 – 01:03:10:10
Unknown
when you’re punished for saving lives and being a good doctor, when you’re punished for not thinking like a doctor, when you’re published, when you’re punished for doing no harm, What kind of medical system is that?
01:03:10:10 – 01:03:11:09
Unknown
What time?
01:03:11:09 – 01:03:12:05
Unknown
Tell me.
01:03:12:05 – 01:03:14:13
Unknown
I’m sorry if I’m a little inflamed.
01:03:14:13 – 01:03:15:24
Unknown
So I want to ask you,
01:03:15:24 – 01:03:16:22
Unknown
how
01:03:16:22 – 01:03:18:01
Unknown
did you
01:03:18:01 – 01:03:20:09
Unknown
come to the point in your own
01:03:20:09 – 01:03:22:02
Unknown
decision making process
01:03:22:02 – 01:03:23:02
Unknown
and when
01:03:23:02 – 01:03:24:10
Unknown
did you come to that point
01:03:24:10 – 01:03:25:01
Unknown
where
01:03:25:01 – 01:03:26:12
Unknown
you said, hey,
01:03:26:12 – 01:03:29:15
Unknown
I need to do something for these patients, I need to find,
01:03:29:15 – 01:03:39:00
Unknown
protocol for them. I need to help them. I’m not believing what’s being told by all the mainstream organizations.
01:03:39:02 – 01:04:02:12
Unknown
When was that point for you and what was your thinking around that? You know, because lot of doctors never looked at anything outside of what they were being told by the CDC or the W.H.O. or their own hospital. But you did. And you found a path outside of that where you were saving patients lives, using, you know, off label treatments like ivermectin.
01:04:02:12 – 01:04:08:06
Unknown
First of all, I was scared. I was wearing masks in the beginning, a lot of masking. I was really scared.
01:04:08:06 – 01:04:39:11
Unknown
And then somehow I was slowly looking at Epfl’s DCC and then I was learning about Héctor Cavallo and how you can take ivermectin prophylactically. And I’m like, Something’s up here, something’s up. And then at the same time was watching, actually watching Dr. McCalla in real time being sick with COVID, taking everything possible, including colchicine, which is another discussion one day where there’s a hero in India.
01:04:39:13 – 01:05:06:00
Unknown
Dr. Darryl de Melo That’s another topic, but I’m always looking around. That’s my nature. So something happened when I knew that there was another way and ivermectin and I saw this research with prevention and I, I just somehow relaxed and then I was told telehealth. And as I was totally telehealth, I’m like, Well, I don’t want to get anybody else sick in my practice.
01:05:06:02 – 01:05:07:03
Unknown
And so
01:05:07:03 – 01:05:08:12
Unknown
I don’t need a shot,
01:05:08:12 – 01:05:12:12
Unknown
a messenger RNA device. I don’t what do I need that for? First of all, I
01:05:12:12 – 01:05:25:13
Unknown
why do I need this? I’m like, I, I knew about ivermectin. I knew about vitamin D. And to answer your question, sir, I knew I can get I knew I could get healthy with a simple. But this is not a this is not a flu.
01:05:25:13 – 01:05:46:11
Unknown
But when I was treating myself with the flu, two things that saved me got me over the flu fast was high dose vitamin C and probiotics and some see more D than C got me over the flu really fast and body aches. Boom really had to add a little Motrin but boom, so hard or I already had that tendency to do nutraceuticals because that’s my nature.
01:05:46:11 – 01:06:10:21
Unknown
that’s kind of what happened. And then the curiosity occurred with New York. So I called New York, Ralph Lauren, Joe’s office in Buffalo, shout out to them. I’m like, What happened there? Yes, they’re off ventilators. Yeah, I was just curious. Just curious. And it was easier then because the judges didn’t require the doctor to go in and give it.
01:06:10:23 – 01:06:15:06
Unknown
But in Illinois every judge was like, no pain has to go in and that’s it.
01:06:15:06 – 01:06:20:21
Unknown
So there’s stories there because I didn’t want to get my family sick. I was still afraid. And so I,
01:06:20:21 – 01:06:31:11
Unknown
I actually went to these three hospitals and and then I didn’t go home. I stayed in hotels just to I was I was isolating, you know, away.
01:06:31:11 – 01:06:51:07
Unknown
I didn’t want to get the family sick. I didn’t go around people at all isolated. I never got sick at all anyway. But so these are the elements and then working with Dr. McCullough, and then little by little adding on more or adding on more. And I’m like, and then I started getting people with with who needed what did he call it?
01:06:51:09 – 01:07:18:20
Unknown
They had early cardiac disease or a virus coxsackievirus and they needed medical exemptions. And little by little I getting trying to help people get exemptions. And so I was I kind of a growing little process, you know, but I, I, I couldn’t take the shot I even this there was science, so-called science. I just couldn’t do it. I even in the beginning when we didn’t know, I, I couldn’t do it.
01:07:18:20 – 01:07:38:07
Unknown
And then it became the unvaccinated doctor, if you know about it. It was written in the Fox News. Fox News. I was on not just that with my face, where in the end case, in case in October of 2021, they stopped. They stopped the process. They actually stopped it. No, no you can’t come in because you’re not vaccinated.
01:07:38:07 – 01:08:03:22
Unknown
So they went back to court the after the weekend to finally get me and to do the ivermectin. So I was the unvaccinated doctor. And actually that’s the safest place to be sort of because in the intensive care unit, everybody’s wearing masks and then you kind of worry a little less really in some level. But but I was overly careful but yeah, and in a lot of common sense, even the regular doctors went out the door because there was an infectious disease.
01:08:03:22 – 01:08:08:13
Unknown
Doctor, this is a oh my God, there’s a fever. There’s a fever it’s the ivermectin. I’m like,
01:08:08:13 – 01:08:30:16
Unknown
this is a guy that knows more than me, the guy I wound up having from all the antibiotics which is legit, a gastrointestinal section called CDC seal that made the big fever. It wasn’t the ivermectin. So the thinking got all clouded with specialists, not because there was a big cabal, but they just follow.
01:08:30:16 – 01:08:36:23
Unknown
They just day to day like it’s bull crap because there’s no studies and it’s not true. They never even bother looking at the studies,
01:08:36:23 – 01:08:56:17
Unknown
I was so involved in early intervention, sir, and I tell everybody that I interview, I called billionaires not on the phone emails. I emailed to Carlos Slim, I emailed Bloomberg, I emailed MSNBC to say, you know, Hey, Dr. McCall, you know, I was like quoting Dr. McCullough’s work in the early intervention.
01:08:56:22 – 01:09:20:18
Unknown
I did all that. Of course, I never had an answer. I wrote an op ed in response to somebody who wrote something in The Wall Street Journal under Dr. Jha. You know, where where where they were painting a picture as as snake oil salesman. Those people that believed in hydroxychloroquine. I was I wrote an op ed because I was so mad.
01:09:20:18 – 01:09:25:10
Unknown
And the Wall Street Journal said, Thanks, but no New York Times didn’t listen to me.
01:09:25:10 – 01:09:37:15
Unknown
but none of them. Listen, I didn’t appreciate when Dr. Doctor MADDOW member Doctor MADDOW of MSNBC, she conflated horse horse paste.
01:09:37:15 – 01:10:00:04
Unknown
And we’re putting down people who save their lives and, you know, human ivermectin has been around. It won the Nobel Peace Prize, as you said, it’s fixed river blindness, Merck, it’s Merck’s drug. And they didn’t even support it. Merck didn’t even supported drug that saved lives all because of money. Right. They don’t care. Why should we trust these people?
01:10:00:04 – 01:10:31:01
Unknown
They don’t care. And and that’s that’s very well established for anyone who has any doubts about this. I mean, these are criminal organizations, and I’m not saying that lightly. I’m saying, you know, these pharmaceutical companies have the highest fines, criminal fines, billions of dollars, fines that they have paid through criminal court cases from lying on studies. So we say follow the science.
01:10:31:01 – 01:11:13:08
Unknown
You follow the science. Oh, it’s own internal study. And I’m supposed to believe everything about that, right? When they have been caught and charged and criminally fined, lying on previous studies, not sharing accurate data from their studies, hiding data, basically data fraud, kickbacks to doctors, you know, illegal kickbacks for promoting and putting out drugs, internal memos that proved that they knew their drugs were going to kill people and they put them out anyway, and they considered it internally as a cost of doing business.
01:11:13:08 – 01:11:35:22
Unknown
Look, we’ll help more people than it’ll kill and we’ll make this amount of money from it, so we’ll be okay. I mean, that’s the unfortunate reality of these drug companies. And again, this isn’t me or you saying this. This is all documented. These are billions of dollars they have had to pay in criminal fines. These are criminal lying organizations.
01:11:35:24 – 01:11:57:11
Unknown
And yet somehow they come out with the new wonder drug and everybody goes, All right, let me rush to the door and jab it in my body and believe everything you tell me when in fact, your main motive as a giant corporation is to make money. And maybe many of the people working there actually think that they’re helping people.
01:11:57:11 – 01:12:21:11
Unknown
I believe that. I believe most people working there are trying to do good, but there are certainly people and this is well documented, who know that they are killing people and are willing to kill people for the money. I mean, look at Vioxx, you know, has killed tens of thousands, potentially hundreds of thousands of people that they knew it was going to kill them of heart issues.
01:12:21:11 – 01:12:22:09
Unknown
This was a
01:12:22:09 – 01:12:23:11
Unknown
tax to inhibitor.
01:12:23:11 – 01:12:27:12
Unknown
Yeah. You know, and they knew it was going to cause heart issues
01:12:27:12 – 01:12:41:05
Unknown
and never told anybody and knew that. And then, you know, somewhere between 50,000 and 200,000, we don’t know exactly how many people died. Tens, thousands of people died. And guess what happens? Well, we’re drug gets taken off.
01:12:41:05 – 01:12:59:24
Unknown
They get slapped on the wrist. They get, you know, $4 billion fine, whatever. And they say, go make some more drugs. Keep doing what you’re doing. No problem. They’re treating us like ants. We could be stepped on. And not only that, could we? We step down, we got battle fatigue, and we’re numb. We’re so numb. You’re not numb.
01:13:00:01 – 01:13:05:11
Unknown
I’m not numb. The people that do these podcasts are numb, but the people out there are numb.
01:13:05:11 – 01:13:23:17
Unknown
And the worst part is if they’re numb and the heads of these companies don’t care for humanity, but just the buck, they’re numb. Except, you know, they need to just look at their children, look at their hearts and see what the future holds for them.
01:13:23:17 – 01:13:25:24
Unknown
It’s about money making them numb.
01:13:25:24 – 01:13:34:01
Unknown
I mean, these people, if they did the right thing morally, they could still make billions. They don’t need they could just still do the right thing.
01:13:34:01 – 01:13:38:14
Unknown
Everybody wants to be right, make more money, not care and love, and do the right thing.
01:13:38:14 – 01:13:42:06
Unknown
Everybody cares about their ego and being right. Oh, I’ll be here.
01:13:42:06 – 01:13:44:08
Unknown
I’ll pound on my chest being right.
01:13:44:08 – 01:14:04:13
Unknown
when they make a drug that could kill somebody else’s, we’re all reflections of each other. They’ve lost their benevolent reflectiveness when they look in the mirror. We have a candidate, Vivek Ramaswamy, who actually used the metaphor of looking in the mirror, and I’ve always talked about looking in the mirror.
01:14:04:15 – 01:14:20:09
Unknown
We need to look in the mirror, whatever side of the aisle you are. I’m a no, sir, I’m a I’m a political homeless guy. I’m homeless. But politically speaking, but not in terms of humanity. I’m all about
01:14:20:09 – 01:14:21:15
Unknown
patient first,
01:14:21:15 – 01:14:23:12
Unknown
patient first life first
01:14:23:12 – 01:14:24:11
Unknown
the right to fight.
01:14:24:11 – 01:14:26:02
Unknown
But, you know, they all got to look in the mirror.
01:14:26:02 – 01:14:30:08
Unknown
They can make tons of money and then feel good about it when they leave this.
01:14:30:08 – 01:14:40:03
Unknown
what about the everyday person? What can they do? I mean, the mothers, the fathers, the the parents, whether they’ve been vaccinated now, their concerned
01:14:40:03 – 01:14:42:01
Unknown
about the long term effects of it
01:14:42:01 – 01:14:44:03
Unknown
or long COVID
01:14:44:03 – 01:14:51:14
Unknown
I mean, what can people do moving forward to be empowered for their own health and to avoid
01:14:51:14 – 01:14:57:08
Unknown
being taken advantage of by these corporations that really don’t care about people?
01:14:57:08 – 01:14:59:03
Unknown
It’s up to us, you and me
01:14:59:03 – 01:15:17:11
Unknown
and you. Podcast heads of podcasts, and we need to get the word out and just we’ve got enough social media, we got enough, but it’s not going into the mainstream enough. You know, it’s it’s hard to answer your question because
01:15:17:11 – 01:15:20:02
Unknown
I’m just hoping that people will wake up.
01:15:20:02 – 01:15:25:04
Unknown
need to confront our neighbor and, say, look, we were all duped.
01:15:25:04 – 01:15:39:17
Unknown
We were all afraid. You must have a friend who’s sick from long COVID, the virus, you know, is coming out that it’s not a normal virus. Because of that fear and linkages you probably know all about already. It was a created. But
01:15:39:17 – 01:15:46:08
Unknown
we need to talk to our neighbor as much as possible and beg them again to just just look at it and care
01:15:46:08 – 01:15:48:06
Unknown
how to help people care.
01:15:48:06 – 01:15:49:03
Unknown
You know,
01:15:49:03 – 01:15:51:18
Unknown
when you have the whole Catholic Church buying into it.
01:15:51:18 – 01:15:57:10
Unknown
We need to go to our synagogues and churches and mosques who are on our side.
01:15:57:12 – 01:16:08:05
Unknown
We need to go to the pope. So I would go to the pope and I’m saying I’m begging the pope right now. Open your heart in your mind. What you thought was right was wrong.
01:16:08:05 – 01:16:09:14
Unknown
You have a flock,
01:16:09:14 – 01:16:14:13
Unknown
you have a lot of power. You care about people. I’m begging the pope.
01:16:14:13 – 01:16:16:00
Unknown
to open his eyes.
01:16:16:00 – 01:16:17:22
Unknown
Please open his heart.
01:16:17:22 – 01:16:21:13
Unknown
A big religious organization that believed in the shot.
01:16:21:13 – 01:16:40:05
Unknown
I’m asking them, begging them to look at Dr. McCullough and Merrick and all the researchers that have the data open your heart in your mind, in your common sense. That’s what I’m doing, because that’s kind of the answer. We got to get to the big organizations like that that bought into this.
01:16:40:10 – 01:17:13:19
Unknown
We all were put upon by a virus and it’s accomplished the vaccine well, and I’d say admit be humble enough to admit when you’re wrong and say, look, we were wrong about this. You know, we are deeply sorry. Here’s what we believe now. And I think that’s the problem, is big organizations and people in power who have shifted their own understanding about what’s going on as they don’t want to ever come across as being wrong.
01:17:13:21 – 01:17:37:09
Unknown
And yet that’s the most humble and authentic and real and truthful thing you could ever do is say, look, here’s what I believed because of what I was told and what I looked at and fear and, you name it. But all the new data and information and and, you know, insight and intuition and science has made me change my mind.
01:17:37:09 – 01:18:03:04
Unknown
And here’s now what I believe and, you know, I’m deeply sorry for being wrong, but here’s what we believe now and here’s we need to heal and move forward together. If they did that, if any one of us does that, individuals need to do that, say, you know what, I’m sorry that people who who who said you have to get vaccinated, you have to wear masks, you have to do all this, you’re going to kill my family, my kids, whatever.
01:18:03:09 – 01:18:33:10
Unknown
You know, you’re an evil person. We hate you. Get out of our community. And then those people changed and said, actually, you know, everything I said I don’t believe or agree with. Now they need to reconcile that in themselves and with the people that maybe they hurt or turned away. Right. Each person listening, tuning in, you can look at, hey who did you alienate or tell somebody something that you no longer believe.
01:18:33:13 – 01:18:50:05
Unknown
You know, maybe you need to apologize to them. Maybe you need to tell them you were wrong. You know, that’s it’s one of the most, I think, real signs of wisdom that we can have as a human being and say, look, I’m sorry I was wrong. You know, here’s what I believe. And it is difficult. These people don’t like to be wrong.
01:18:50:05 – 01:18:52:24
Unknown
The ego doesn’t like to be wrong, but
01:18:52:24 – 01:19:09:13
Unknown
we’re not growing if we’re not making mistakes. That’s why we make mistakes as human beings. We have to acknowledge those mistakes, accept them, learn from them, grow from them, you know, apologize for them, then move on, move on and try not to make the same mistake again.
01:19:09:13 – 01:19:18:19
Unknown
I even think our leaders have to ask what once they learn what we know and see it better, they have to ask for our forgiveness.
01:19:18:21 – 01:19:38:10
Unknown
We voted for them. Yeah. So. And those people, when you said I’m sorry, it would be also, hey, I’ve learned I thought this really, I’m asking for your forgiveness. And I think the leaders and the big corporations need to ask for. You know,
01:19:38:10 – 01:19:44:00
Unknown
we voted for these people and they’re taking advantage of us. They work for us.
01:19:44:06 – 01:19:46:13
Unknown
The politicians work for us.
01:19:46:13 – 01:19:51:01
Unknown
So do how they’re supposed to they I mean, there’s always choice. Yeah.
01:19:51:01 – 01:19:53:09
Unknown
You know, I think I think the best
01:19:53:09 – 01:19:57:05
Unknown
hope we have in politics and I mean, I never talk about
01:19:57:05 – 01:19:59:06
Unknown
I rarely talk about politics, but
01:19:59:06 – 01:20:01:15
Unknown
when I see somebody like Bobby Kennedy,
01:20:01:15 – 01:20:09:05
Unknown
you know, RFK running for president, he’s he’s the only person in my mind that I see real hope with
01:20:09:05 – 01:20:27:06
Unknown
that could make a big positive difference in our political system and help end the corruption and collusion between our these governing bodies, the CDC, W.H.O., FDA and so forth, and big Pharma and these giant corporations and the Bill and Melinda Gates Corporation and the WEF.
01:20:27:08 – 01:20:49:06
Unknown
He’s he knows more than anybody what they’re doing and what the collusion is and how to and who needs to be removed from their positions and the laws that need to be passed that will actually protect us from it. You know, Trump talked a good game and said he’s going to drain the swamp and all that. But in the end, he took money from pharmaceutical companies.
01:20:49:08 – 01:21:21:22
Unknown
He brought on Tony Fauci. He told RFK to, you know, see you. And it’s like he did what every other politician does, unfortunately, versus RFK has stood by his what I’ve seen for decades stood true to his word. And if anybody hasn’t listened, you know, go listen to his podcast interviews on Joe Rogan on. And, you know, there’s a really good one on geez, I’ve listened to probably five or six of his long form podcasts.
01:21:21:22 – 01:21:29:23
Unknown
Just go look at Bobby Kennedy, RFK running for president. And you I think he has real hope right now.
01:21:29:23 – 01:21:45:24
Unknown
you know, at least in our at least in our political sphere, he gives me a lot of hope. I agree with you about him. What I like is he he’s well studied. He reads the research. They think totally anti-vax.
01:21:45:24 – 01:21:49:02
Unknown
And I don’t know why his family is against him or whatever.
01:21:49:02 – 01:21:51:21
Unknown
He’s going to court to protect people.
01:21:51:21 – 01:21:57:23
Unknown
You know, he’s very well studied and then he gets the dishonesty of spinning people’s
01:21:57:23 – 01:21:58:24
Unknown
decency.
01:21:58:24 – 01:21:59:24
Unknown
I just can’t
01:21:59:24 – 01:22:02:08
Unknown
stand, you know, all those things we value
01:22:02:08 – 01:22:04:00
Unknown
honesty, integrity,
01:22:04:00 – 01:22:05:06
Unknown
decency,
01:22:05:06 – 01:22:06:07
Unknown
morality.
01:22:06:07 – 01:22:08:06
Unknown
It gets her hijacked
01:22:08:06 – 01:22:09:05
Unknown
and twisted,
01:22:09:05 – 01:22:13:05
Unknown
twisted by political stop or spin.
01:22:13:05 – 01:22:34:00
Unknown
All the things we value are being hijacked. And that’s dangerous. Yeah. I mean, he himself has said, look, I’m not anti-vaccine. He’s vaccinated with all the normal vaccines, you know, childhood vaccines. His kids are all vaccinated, but he sees all the, you know, health and allergy and autoimmune issues in his own kids that didn’t exist, you know, 50, 60 years ago.
01:22:34:00 – 01:23:01:22
Unknown
And the studies that he has looked into to. Yeah. Really correlate this explosion in autoimmune diseases and you know to the vaccines themselves and allergies and so forth. Yeah. As well as autism. But he himself says look, I am, I’m, I’m pro-vaccine but I’m pro I’m not anti-vaccine. I am pro. Safety studies show me a safety study that’s been done on a vaccine.
01:23:01:22 – 01:23:25:24
Unknown
You know, they do effectiveness studies, but they don’t do long term safety studies, he said. All I want to do is see long term safety studies on vaccines. That’s it. And they don’t have them and they don’t do them right. People got Dr. McCall has crying out that for a long time. Yeah. And all of the you know people against him Coleman anti-vaccine quack or whatever it’s like they do have studies they have the old placebo controlled studies.
01:23:25:24 – 01:23:45:02
Unknown
Yeah, they do. Those are short term effective studies. Those aren’t. They’re looking at the effectiveness of the vaccine against that particular disease. In a short term. They’re not looking at the long term safety. Is it actually killing more people than it’s helping? And when they look in the data, in the, you know, Africa, the Danish study, for example, that’s what they found.
01:23:45:02 – 01:24:09:08
Unknown
It actually killed more children. I think it was the DTP vaccine, if I’m correct, or the diphtheria. And that vaccine, you’re on the right track killed more children than it actually saved because it killed them of other diseases. Right. And and they and they they knew that. And then Gates, I don’t know was Gates or whoever was running their foundation, you know, they still kept pushing it.
01:24:09:10 – 01:24:10:00
Unknown
Yeah.
01:24:10:00 – 01:24:10:16
Unknown
anyway,
01:24:10:16 – 01:24:11:23
Unknown
you know, as we wrap up here,
01:24:11:23 – 01:24:21:06
Unknown
number one, I appreciate your time and appreciate you, you know, being a doctor who is willing to to stand up against the fear and the tyranny and speak out.
01:24:21:06 – 01:24:27:22
Unknown
Number two, you know, I encourage people to continue doing their own research, to continue diving deeper into these topics.
01:24:27:23 – 01:24:50:07
Unknown
Yeah. And to, you know, have hope and and empowerment and find solutions in your own life. You said, you know, you’re more inclined towards natural things anyway, and so am I. And I think if you’re already care about your health, you know, you’re going to look into more natural ways to take care of your health, vitamins and minerals and diet and yes, exercise and so on and good sleep.
01:24:50:07 – 01:25:11:10
Unknown
Yes. Yes. You have to worry about it. That was the thing when this thing came along, it’s like, well, my family, we live incredibly holistically. Healthy life. Right. Right. I’m not worried about you know, that’s the worry for me. It was like, well, maybe I get COVID, then I spread to somebody else. So I did have that concern, but I never had that concern about me or my family was like, never, ever.
01:25:11:12 – 01:25:36:08
Unknown
It’s like we treat everything naturally, you know, everything naturally. We haven’t I haven’t taken a drug in over 15 years, not even an ibuprofen. And because you’re in trouble, I know that we can take care of our health naturally. And so the more we realize, you know, you can take care of yourself naturally, the less dependent you become on these drugs and pharmaceuticals and the less likely you are to be.
01:25:36:10 – 01:25:54:17
Unknown
You know, duped into their lies and mass hysteria as well. Because you’re like, Oh, why would I like you? Why do I need the shots? Like, I’m I’m fine and I’m going to be fine. I know I’ll take care of my immune system. It’s like, why would I need that shot? You know? And unfortunately, our population is very unhealthy and growing more unhealthy every day.
01:25:54:23 – 01:26:07:07
Unknown
Correct. If you are unhealthy, look at ways to improve your health naturally and get serious about it. Because, you know, I don’t think this is ending and I don’t think this is the last
01:26:07:07 – 01:26:16:13
Unknown
so-called pandemic either. So, you know, equip yourself with good health as your greatest preventative measure. And I mean, that’s what I would say.
01:26:16:13 – 01:26:35:24
Unknown
And people reach out to you, Doctor Bain, where was the best place for them to get in touch with you? Well, that the website, you know, where they can message in and make appointments doc in the loop dot com D.O.C. in the loop dot com doc and loop dot com. Dr. Bain thank you so much. Appreciate your time here.
01:26:35:24 – 01:26:38:17
Unknown
Absolutely. My pleasure. Thank you.