In today’s video, we sit down with Cyrus Khambatta to talk about living with Diabetes and what you can do to live a healthy lifestyle with the chronic disease. Cyrus Khambatta is the Co-founder of @masteringdiabetes, which he started working on after he was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes. He has a Ph.D. in Nutritional Biochemistry, and is striving to reverse insulin resistance so you can get your life back on track!
Your host, Nathan Crane, is a Certified Holistic Cancer Coach, Best-Selling Author, Inspirational Speaker, Cancer-Health Researcher and Educator, and 20X Award Winning Documentary Filmmaker with Over 15 Years in the Health Field.
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Audio Transcript:
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Nathan Crane
Cyrus is What’s up, my brother?
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Cyrus Khambatta
How are you doing, my man? So good to be with you.
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Nathan Crane
Here you are as you get your workout in this morning.
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Cyrus Khambatta
What kind of question is that? I get my workout in every morning. It’s like it’s a religion. Just like it is for you.
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Nathan Crane
Dude, you’re shredded. People who don’t know need to go to your Instagram and you haven’t been posting much lately of your you’re just ripped. You got to post some more ripped photos of yourself on Instagram.
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Cyrus Khambatta
Well, here’s one of the things that I’ve learned about myself over the course of time is that like I don’t actually enjoy taking photos of myself and putting them on social media. So the photos that you see usually come from other people that end up getting posted on there, which is, which is totally cool. But what I love about this, you know, like in general, people think, Oh, well, you’re eating a plant-based diet.
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Cyrus Khambatta
You can’t get strong, you know, purpose that you can’t get ripped. You can’t, you know, you can’t grow muscle eating a plant-based diet. And like you and I both know that that is a complete fallacy in a thousand different ways. Right. So when you and I have had a chance to work out together, I mean, I like to think of myself as being strong.
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Cyrus Khambatta
But then I started working out with you and I was like, Oh, wow, You’re like, you’re like He-Man Strong. So you’re like, different level strong. But it’s so cool to be around somebody who cares about athletics as much as I do, who really, like, wants it and every day wakes up and it’s like, What am I going to do today?
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Cyrus Khambatta
How am I going to push myself? How am I going to get to the next level? So like, I think you and I are brothers from another mother in that respect.
00;02;10;27 – 00;02;37;07
Nathan Crane
Absolutely. I mean, it was cool as we both do CrossFit, and in CrossFit, for those who don’t know, it’s a sport where you do everything I mean, running, you do dumbbells, you do Olympic weightlifting, you do gymnastics, you do high-intensity interval training, you biking, swimming, you name it. And it’s one of the things I fell in love with it when I turned 35 years ago.
00;02;37;17 – 00;02;53;23
Nathan Crane
Time of recording this. And I just like I wasn’t doing anything really active at that time. I was running a little bit trail running, and before that, like I would do a little bit of yoga and I do a little bit of I go to the gym from time to time and lift some weights, but like I never lifted heavy.
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Nathan Crane
I never built a strong foundation or a base. I never, like squatted more than like 185. And the one time I did try squatting more than that in my early twenties, I like almost like broke my back or some things. I had no idea what I was doing. Probably didn’t have the ability of flexibility, anything, and I like couldn’t walk right for like a year.
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Nathan Crane
So I like never squatted again. I thought it was terrible for you is bad for you. All these misconceptions so many people have about weightlifting and stuff and I didn’t have the motivation back then to like just go to a regular gym and like, do curls in front of the mirror. Like it just was never, you know, just physical looks like were never that motivating enough for me.
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Nathan Crane
And so it wasn’t until like I found CrossFit at 30 and I was just like, This is awesome. Like, it’s so much fun. You’ll never get bored. You’re always learning new things. You’re hitting every energy system of the body, right? You’re building strength, endurance, flexibility, and mobility. You know, you’re always learning something new. You’re with a core community of people.
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Nathan Crane
And so I just got hooked. And then when we connected, it was like, dude, we were on the same page with it. And, with such a similar background around like our studies and research around health. Where you living with type one diabetes for a very long time and helping, you know, hundreds of thousands of people around the world dealing with type one diabetes and me helping, you know, researching around cancer and helping people with cancer.
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Nathan Crane
And then it’s like we come together and share ideas and it’s like, oh, wow, almost the exact same things that you’re teaching for diabetes. And what the research shows is the same things I’ve been learning and teaching for helping people with cancer. And it was just, you know, so fascinating. So why don’t you talk a little bit about your you know, when you were first diagnosed with type one diabetes, how old were you?
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Cyrus Khambatta
So I was diagnosed with type one diabetes at the age of 22. So I was a senior in college. I was going to Stanford University and I was studying mechanical engineering. And I was just trying to, you know, I had senior itis. It was my I was just approaching the second semester or I guess it would be like that.
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Cyrus Khambatta
I was in the middle of the second quarter and I had already decided that, like, I didn’t really care about school that much. I just wanted to like, move on with my life and, you know, enter the real world. So I remember studying for finals and I was studying thermodynamics, which is not a fun subject, and I mean, it requires a lot of brainpower in order to figure out what the heck is going on.
00;05;20;12 – 00;05;37;04
Cyrus Khambatta
And as I was trying to, you know, make sense of this problem set, I remember pulling my head up from the problem set and taking a thought for myself. And I was like, Man, I’m pretty thirsty. So I went and I grabbed a glass of water and I drink the whole thing, put it down. And I continued working.
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Cyrus Khambatta
And then 3 minutes later I was like, I think I’m thirstier. That’s weird. And then I drank another glass of water, put it down, and then this is the cycle kept on happening over and over and over again. And then a certain point I was like, Huh, I wonder if I’m electrolyte depleted, maybe I should go get some Gatorade.
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Cyrus Khambatta
So I got some Gatorade and I started drinking. I got thirsty, I got thirsty, You got thirst here. This is happening over the course of like 3 to 4 or five, 6 hours. And I was taking on so much fluid at that time that I ended up going to the bathroom and urinating every half an hour just like clockwork.
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Cyrus Khambatta
I mean, and it was, you know, a lot of know I was flushing a lot of fluids. So the cycle that I got myself into was that I was drinking a lot of fluid. I was urinating a lot of fluid. And then as a result of that, I was actually depleting electrolytes. So that means that when I went to sleep, I would be asleep for like an hour.
00;06;23;21 – 00;06;38;09
Cyrus Khambatta
And, you know, you know, when you get like a calf cramp in the middle of the night and it’s like extremely painful. And then you have to like, wake up all of a sudden and try and, like, manipulate your legs such that you can relieve the tension in your calf.
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Nathan Crane
And that’s the worst, you know, Stretch, I’ve had it in like, hamstrings. Like, not often, not, I mean, once or twice ever in my life that have like, woken me up. Well, mostly after like, really, really intense long training periods or something like that. And then the hamstring and it’s like you can’t it’s, it is one of the worst things ever.
00;06;59;15 – 00;07;25;02
Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah, exactly. Because a hamstring a such a large muscle the hamstring can be extremely painful when that happens. So in this moment, you know, we’re in 2002, I fall asleep, I’m electrolyte depleted. I don’t know that this is happening to me. My calf and my left leg cramp up. So I try and relieve the tension in my calf, my left in my left leg, and then right hamstring cramps up and then left by cheek cramps up, and then my abdomen cramps up.
00;07;25;02 – 00;07;41;21
Cyrus Khambatta
And before I know it, there were moments when I was lying in bed and I was in what felt like full body rigor mortis. And I was like, This is unbelievable because nothing I could do that actually relieve that tension. So I finally picked up the phone and I called my sister and she’s a doctor of osteopathic family practice and she’s brilliant.
00;07;42;09 – 00;08;03;13
Cyrus Khambatta
And I explained my symptomology to her and she started crying. She’s a very, very cool cucumber. And under normal circumstances, nothing fazes her. I explained my symptomology to her and she started crying and she said, Whatever you are doing it, drop it. Go straight to the health center right now because you have type one diabetes. And I was like, Diabetes, What are you talking about?
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Cyrus Khambatta
I’m like, I’m normal weight, I exercise, I don’t need a bunch of cake. And she’s like, I don’t have time to explain. Just go. And at that time in my life, I didn’t know anything about human health. I just I knew one thing. I had an association, which was that diabetes affected all people who ate candy and cakes, and I was neither of the two.
00;08;23;05 – 00;08;38;23
Cyrus Khambatta
So I was like, this won’t make any sense. So I go straight to the health center, I check in to the health center. The nurse checks me in, she checks my blood glucose. She has to take a fingerstick walk into another room, put it into a blood glucose meter, and come back. She comes back maybe 3 minutes later herself.
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Cyrus Khambatta
I’m passed out. She knocks on the door, she walks in the door and I literally wake up and I’m like, okay, where am I? All right. I’m in the doctor’s office. Okay. How did I get here? Oh, okay, cool. I walked myself here. Okay. Who is she? Okay. She’s a nurse, and I had to, like, piece together this, this confusing situation.
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Cyrus Khambatta
And she looks at me and she has, like, a kind of ghostly look on her face, and she goes, How did you get here? And I was like, I walked. And she’s like, We got to get you to the E.R. right now. And I was like, Could somebody please explain to me what the heck is going on? Because I don’t understand?
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Cyrus Khambatta
And she said, Your blood glucose is higher than 600 right now, and it’s supposed to be effectively about 100, between 80 and 130. That’s the target range. So your blood glucose is six times higher than it’s supposed to be right now. And this is a telltale sign that you have type one diabetes. So we got to get to the E.R. and we’ve got to get you there now.
00;09;31;05 – 00;09;47;27
Cyrus Khambatta
So they take me over to the E.R., they check me in. I’m there for the next 24 hours while under supervision from that team of doctors. They give me an I.V. saline in one hour, and then they give me drip irrigation of insulin and they start to use insulin. You know, it’s very small quantities to try and lower my blood glucose.
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Cyrus Khambatta
Now, the kicker is that while I was there, the team of doctors that had been assigned to my case recognized that not only was I developing or had I developed type one diabetes and this was an emergency situation called DKA Diabetic Ketoacidosis. But secondarily, I had two other autoimmune conditions that had not been officially diagnosed until that moment.
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Cyrus Khambatta
They said, Cyrus, you have three autoimmune conditions. Number one, you have Hashimoto’s hypothyroidism, number two, you have alopecia universalis, which is just a fancy way of saying hair loss. It’s an autoimmune condition that affects your hair follicles and gets you to lose your hair. And then number three, you have type one diabetes. We have never seen somebody with this combination what’s referred to as a polyglandular autoimmune syndrome.
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Cyrus Khambatta
We’ve never seen anybody with this combination of autoimmune diseases. Can we talk about you at our next huddle? Can we study it? And I was like, Oh, okay, cool. Absolutely. You can talk about me, but here’s the thing. You’re not giving me any confidence that you know what to do. And they were like, Yeah, here’s the thing. We don’t know what to do.
00;10;53;05 – 00;11;24;15
Cyrus Khambatta
We’re just going to try and help you get through this, you know, this next 24-hour period. So that started the journey of me being discharged from the hospital with a blood glucose meter test strips, syringes, two types of insulin, a carbohydrate count and guide a completely different. I had so much fear in me that I had that I did this to myself that I was living a lifestyle that was actually just making me more unhealthy and it was going to get worse and worse and worse over the course of time.
00;11;24;24 – 00;11;43;04
Cyrus Khambatta
And three autoimmune conditions would turn into five, would turn into eight, would turn into 20 down the road. And, you know, here I am as a 22-year-old guy, just trying to live my life. And I turn into a chronic disease patient overnight. Not fun, Definitely not fun.
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Nathan Crane
So you had to be pretty frightened when they told you all this and didn’t really know what to do. Right.
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Cyrus Khambatta
I was I was terrified. I was terrified because any time you’re diagnosed with a chronic disease and you go from being unaware to aware, that moment of realization can hit you like a ton of bricks, right? It could be diabetes, it could be heart disease, it could be cancer, or it could be an autoimmune disease. It could.
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Nathan Crane
Be the beginning.
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Cyrus Khambatta
Of dementia slash Alzheimer’s, fatty liver disease, chronic kidney disease, you name it. Any of these conditions like these are not fun conditions to have or to be diagnosed with. And so here I am, a 22-year-old guy who’s normal weight, athletic, active on a daily basis, thinking that I eat a quote-unquote healthy diet, or at least at that time I was like, oh, they know I eat healthy.
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Cyrus Khambatta
And despite all of that, I got diagnosed with not one, not two, but three autoimmune diseases. And I was like, this doesn’t even make any sense. There’s no autoimmunity in my family. How is this possible? Like maybe I just got dealt a bad genetic card, but then I look back at my parents and I look back at their parents and their parents and so on.
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Cyrus Khambatta
So for them, it’s like type one diabetes is nowhere to be found in Hashimoto’s. Hypothyroidism is nowhere to be found. What the heck? Right? And so that’s why there were a lot of questions and there were effectively zero answers.
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Nathan Crane
So staying on kind of the mindset for a little bit because I think this is really important for anyone who is diagnosed with any chronic condition, like the cancer patients that I work with, for example, you know, there’s a really strong separation between people who I have met and had deep conversations and interviews with who cancer has either completely changed their life for the better.
00;13;35;16 – 00;13;55;12
Nathan Crane
You often hear people say it was a wake-up call, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. And we can get into the whys behind that. Some people, the opposite of that is that it’s so worst thing that’s ever happened to me. I can’t even understand how it’s a good thing, right? This is terrible. This is you.
00;13;55;22 – 00;14;14;24
Nathan Crane
You get thrown into depression, anxiety, constant fear and then the conventional medical approach is, hey, we need to attack this, kill it, destroy. Get it out of you as quick as possible. Hey, I just want to take a quick second and thank you for listening to this episode. I hope you’re enjoying it so far as a special thank you for tuning in this episode.
00;14;14;24 – 00;14;42;13
Nathan Crane
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00;14;42;15 – 00;14;58;07
Nathan Crane
All right, let’s get back to the show. And so this is you know the dichotomy that happens in mindset and people don’t get to the point of this was a wake-up call this was the best thing that ever happened to me. This helped me deepen my relationships. It’s helped me take a hard look at my life.
00;14;58;07 – 00;15;23;16
Nathan Crane
This helped me, you know, stop doing the stressful work I was doing or get out of the abusive relationship I was in or changed my diet and lifestyle. So I feel so much better now. That’s the wake-up call side. The other side, which is, you know, we become a victim is, you know, this happened to me and or I did this to myself or somebody else did this to me or I don’t know what the hell happened or where the hell this came from, but it’s terrible.
00;15;23;16 – 00;15;48;27
Nathan Crane
My life is over. I can’t do anything now. It’s going to get worse, right? Like you said, three diseases and five than eight. Then I’m going to die. Right? And if you stay in that negative perpetual cycle of of basically mental negativity, things do actually get worse. Not only mentally, emotionally, but physically, because we know how deeply connected our mind and thinking is to our physiology, to our nervous system.
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Nathan Crane
So for you, obviously, you left there in fear. You left there not quite knowing what to do or what the hell just happened, or where do you go from here? Right. But how long did it take you to get to a shift in your mindset to like, Hey, I’m going to figure this thing out? And actually do something about it?
00;16;08;26 – 00;16;13;14
Nathan Crane
How long What did that period look like for you and how did you get there and what was your mindset like?
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Cyrus Khambatta
Okay, I’m going to give you to answer to that question. The first answer is how long did it take me to start making changes to my lifestyle so that I could maybe halt the progression of any other autoimmune diseases and also deal with the three autoimmune diseases that I already had developed? The answer is within 24 hours I didn’t have a choice.
00;16;39;27 – 00;17;04;21
Cyrus Khambatta
I had no choice. Right? I’m eating in a dormitory setting, right? We had these eating clubs at Stanford. It’s a cafeteria. And, you know, there’s relatively high-quality food, but you don’t really have control over what you’re being fed. But the doctors at that time did tell me that the way that I could control my blood glucose in a way that I could prevent myself from using more and more insulin over the course of time was to eat a low carbohydrate diet.
00;17;05;06 – 00;17;08;14
Nathan Crane
Low carbohydrate, high fat, high protein.
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Cyrus Khambatta
Low carbohydrate, high fat, high protein, you know, But so.
00;17;11;23 – 00;17;13;28
Nathan Crane
Essentially ketogenic diet is what they’re telling you.
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Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah, but they didn’t back in 2002 people weren’t using the word ketogenic. Right.
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Nathan Crane
The only it was Atkins term just as Atkins. Yeah. Atkins.
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Cyrus Khambatta
Exactly. But even then they didn’t use those words. They basically said they basically drilled into my head. They said carbohydrates are bad for you. Don’t eat carbohydrates. And, you know, and actually what they said is don’t eat carbs. Here’s this book that tells you how many carbs are in each of the foods that you’re eating. And their recommendation was try and limit your intake of all carbs, whether they come from breads and cereals and pastas and granolas and, you know, rice and crackers and more refined versions of carbohydrate, or whether they came from fruits and vegetables and legumes and whole grains, they.
00;17;55;15 – 00;17;57;22
Nathan Crane
Grouped together and said they were all bad for you.
00;17;58;11 – 00;18;25;04
Cyrus Khambatta
Exactly. All carbohydrate is bad for me. And so I was like, okay, great. I should probably not eat paper as well. I probably shouldn’t eat it as well because there’s carbohydrate in those foods as well, right? So in reality, that was the first mistake, the first mistake that the Medical Institute had imparted to me was that all carbs are equal, all carbohydrate energy is treated the same way inside of the metabolic machine in which you live.
00;18;25;04 – 00;18;45;16
Cyrus Khambatta
And as a result of that, I went into this mindset of, okay, cool, I don’t really know that much about biology, but what I do know is what my doctors told me, which is that I should try and avoid carbohydrate as much as possible. So that means more white meat, more red meat, more dairy products, more chicken, more fish, eggs.
00;18;46;04 – 00;19;15;07
Cyrus Khambatta
Processed meats are fine because they don’t contain carbohydrate. Right. Huge mistake. Huge mistake. But, you know, olive oil, peanut butter, turkey burgers, any of these foods is totally fine except to try and avoid the fruits, the legumes, the potatoes, the rice, the beans, the whole grains. The queen was the brown rice, all of that stuff. Avoid that. And then, of course, don’t drink sugar-sweetened beverages, don’t have refined white bread and white pasta at the same time.
00;19;15;07 – 00;19;29;09
Cyrus Khambatta
But I was like, okay, great. This seems like a relatively easy prescription. I’m a 22-year-old guy. You don’t really have to convince a 22-year-old guy to eat more meat. You know, most of the time the answer is like, okay, great. If that’s my prescription, that’s the greatest prescription I’ve ever heard of, I’ll do it, no problem.
00;19;30;07 – 00;19;46;11
Cyrus Khambatta
So I did that right, and it didn’t take me long to answer your question. How long did it take me to adopt this philosophy? The answer was immediately, because I wanted to make sure that I was doing whatever I possibly could in order to keep myself in a healthy state or to regain the health that I had lost.
00;19;46;25 – 00;20;09;18
Nathan Crane
So in that circumstance, they quote unquote, gave you somewhat of a solution. Eat this way, don’t eat this way. You’ll reduce your insulin needs and this will keep you fairly stable. Right. Like that was. So you had, you know, some information and some sense of like, okay, this is what I’m being told to do, so I better do this.
00;20;09;18 – 00;20;23;11
Nathan Crane
Right? So it makes sense that you were able to just, okay, here we go. Let’s do it. Of course. I mean, you know, who wouldn’t make those changes right away, especially with what you just went through and, you know, almost knocking on death’s door, you know, 24 hours before.
00;20;24;00 – 00;20;43;26
Cyrus Khambatta
Exactly right. And, you know, I consider myself to be the type of person I think you and I have a very similar personality in this respect where, you know, you’re dealt with adversity. And rather than playing the woe is me, let me, you know, get depressed about this and spend a lot of time thinking about it and really like get down on myself.
00;20;44;23 – 00;21;09;23
Cyrus Khambatta
Instead, I took the opposite mentality of like, All right, there’s a problem. I don’t know what the solution to the problem is, but I got to start trying something right. And I’m not going to spend too much of my mental or emotional or physical energy, you know, getting down on myself instead, I’m going to do everything I possibly can to learn about it, and I’m just going to start to make the changes that seem to be, you know, guided by the most scientific evidence.
00;21;10;07 – 00;21;37;06
Nathan Crane
So so I call it solution-oriented mindset. And I didn’t really truly I mean, I think I’ve probably had some of that most of my life, but I don’t think I really, truly, like, cultivated and developed that and made that a part of who I am until like my early twenties and really having some great mentors in my life, learning to meditate, learning to realize there is a solution to every problem and everything’s possible.
00;21;37;08 – 00;21;59;17
Nathan Crane
Like, I mean, one of my mentors, as we used to say all the time, everything is possible. And we would go in and like really philosophically talk about what does that actually mean? It wasn’t like a surface-level kind of motivational thing. It was like, let’s look at this from a universal, you know, creation kind of aspect, you know, scientific like, you know, we would go deep into that, just that statement right there.
00;21;59;17 – 00;22;21;09
Nathan Crane
Everything is possible. And so I started really ingrained in that like early twenties. When did you like looking back at your childhood? Did you have a childhood where you kind of had that solution-oriented mindset already? Was your parents like when did you kind of develop that for yourself? How did you develop that for yourself?
00;22;21;09 – 00;22;43;07
Cyrus Khambatta
That’s a great question. I think the answer is I was born with it. And I may sounds like a strange thing to say, but from a very young age, I was always the type of person who would experience the way that I deal with adversity, whether it’s adversity that comes from the outside world or whether it’s voluntary adversity.
00;22;44;12 – 00;23;03;19
Cyrus Khambatta
I can deal with adversity like relatively quickly and I can make I can train. I can sort of categorize what the problem is. Even if I don’t have any solutions to the problem, I can try and figure out what is the problem. I can talk about it. I can say, okay, cool. This is an adversity that is now impacting my life.
00;23;03;19 – 00;23;27;28
Cyrus Khambatta
Let’s develop, let’s try something, let’s do some experimentation and let’s try and find a way out of it or try and find a way to improve my quality of life. Right? So that happened from a young age when I was like playing baseball and I would get injured, right? I was playing baseball and all of a sudden like, you know, I was covering home plate and you know, a player would slide into me and, you know, cleats up and end up, you know, taking a chunk out of my knee.
00;23;27;28 – 00;23;42;19
Cyrus Khambatta
And then I had to go to the hospital and get stitches in my knee. The answer is, well, what am I going to do about that? I’m kind of immobile right now. The answer is, well, I’m going to go exercise other parts of my body and I’m going to go work on my throwing and I’m going to go become a better baseball player, even though I can’t use my leg right now.
00;23;42;19 – 00;24;08;15
Cyrus Khambatta
Right. Solution-oriented. When I got to high school and I ended up taking the PSAT, the previous SAT, and I did way worse than all of my other friends on it. And I was like, Oh my God, Like I scored 200 points worse than the rest of my friend group. What did I do? I told my mom she got me a tutor, and then I took an S.A.T. every single Saturday for the next nine months until I finally took the real S.A.T. and I.
00;24;08;15 – 00;24;28;12
Cyrus Khambatta
But by score by 300 somewhat points. Right against solutions-oriented, because there’s always going to be problems in life. And the way that I rationalize it is that life isn’t about what happens to you. It’s about how you respond to the things that are happening to you. Right. It’s all about your responses and what actions you’re going to take in order to try to overcome adversity.
00;24;28;29 – 00;24;43;07
Nathan Crane
Did you have good role models, good mentors, parents, whoever in your life when you were younger, like a little kid, like five, six, seven, eight, nine years old that you remember that kind of shared some of these, imparted some of this wisdom with you? Or do you have any of those memories?
00;24;44;07 – 00;25;03;00
Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah, I would say both of my parents are actually phenomenal role models in that respect. And both of them sort of taught me from a young age that, you know, there’s just like you’re saying, everything is possible. I literally remember having conversations with my mom at a young age where she was like, Everything’s possible. You just need a little bit of time and, you know, solutions always present themselves.
00;25;03;00 – 00;25;26;26
Cyrus Khambatta
And I was like, What do you mean I can’t I can’t get to the mood right now. She’s like, Everything’s possible. You’ll be on the moon one day, you know? And I was like, Man, that’s crazy, right? So. So I had both, you know, I had great parenting growing up. And then I also I think I just grew up in a I grew up in Palo Alto in the 1980s where there was a very like it was a very safe place to be.
00;25;27;04 – 00;25;55;03
Cyrus Khambatta
There were a lot of really important intellectual discovery that were happening at that time. The Internet literally started in Palo Alto. You know, Steve Jobs was just like a couple of blocks down the road. I didn’t even know it at the time. And there was this feeling like, you know, innovation is on its way. And so I think when I get caught up, when I because of my group, got caught up in in that environment, the answer is always, you know, there always is a solution.
00;25;55;20 – 00;26;01;14
Cyrus Khambatta
And if you don’t know what the solution is right now, try something different or try harder. And the solution will present itself.
00;26;02;05 – 00;26;28;28
Nathan Crane
Yeah. So I mean, it’s so relevant, especially since we’re talking about dealing with any kind of chronic disease for that matter, or any goals, health goals in your life. On the other end of that extreme, you know, I was homeless at 15, right, Addicted to drugs and alcohol at 12 years old, in and out of jail, nearly dead by 18, and didn’t have, you know, you know, my parents divorced early and had their own challenges.
00;26;28;28 – 00;27;01;19
Nathan Crane
They were dealing with. And so it was like totally lost, afraid, you know, challenged youth for me. And I barely made it through that. But I did and had some great mentors, you know, at 17, 18 years old and then again at like 19, 20, 21 years old, and then have surrounded myself ever since with just people who inspire me and listening to, you know, cassettes and CDs of Wayne Dyer driving cross-country, you know, programs.
00;27;01;19 – 00;27;28;02
Nathan Crane
I got Wayne Dyer, Gregg Braden, you know, thinking grow rich, you know, all kinds of personal development stuff. And so it doesn’t really matter. My point is it doesn’t really matter what your background is, whether you grew up with the most loving, caring, wise parents or you had a really challenged, diverse background. You can get to a place in your life where you can see solutions and opportunities in every challenge.
00;27;28;02 – 00;27;46;26
Nathan Crane
And I’ve certainly been challenged big time the last 17 years multiple times. But it’s every time it’s like, okay, this sucks. I don’t want this, but I’m dealing with it so I know there’s a solution. Let me find the best path forward.
00;27;47;03 – 00;28;13;08
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay, So let’s go backwards to the time between the ages of 15 and 18 where you said that you had become homeless and that you were in and out of jail and seemingly lost in life. Was your mindset at that time not solutions-oriented, Like take me backwards and tell me what was happening in your head at that time, because it doesn’t sound like a very emotionally enjoyable experience.
00;28;13;08 – 00;28;20;23
Cyrus Khambatta
And I’m curious how that Nathan was different than the Nathan that you are today.
00;28;20;23 – 00;28;55;05
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I think a lot of it was survival mindset. I think a lot of it was just honestly trying to survive and at 15, 16, 17, 18, I was already, you know, involved with some, some pretty bad characters. And I was one of the bad characters, not their fault around a lot of drugs, drinking every day, smoking every day, you know, running from the cops.
00;28;56;11 – 00;29;36;13
Nathan Crane
I think my mindset was that was the life that I was supposed to live. Like I didn’t really know anything different. And that might sound weird to some, but it was, you know, growing up really young, like watching MTV and, you know, getting into like gangster rap and, you know, seeing people, you know, lots of beautiful women and expensive cars and lots of money and lots of fame and gold chains and diamonds and all this stuff.
00;29;36;13 – 00;30;11;14
Nathan Crane
And it was, you know, in the hip hop kind of culture, like that’s that really attracted me at a young age for whatever reason, I was really attracted to that. And so I continued like, I mean, I have a picture of me when I was like nine years old for Halloween. I dressed up like a gangster. So like, I just for whatever reason, at such a young age, I was really drawn to that kind of lifestyle, like a gangster, you know, drug dealer kind of lifestyle.
00;30;11;17 – 00;30;45;11
Nathan Crane
And I think a lot of young kids get sucked into that. You know, it’s appealing. Like if you’re kind of talking about emotions, I didn’t know how to feel or understand or deal with my emotions as a kid. Looking back, I bottled them up inside, held them inside and avoided them at all costs. And eventually that just kept building up, building up, building up until I was just like, angry, resentful.
00;30;46;10 – 00;31;14;29
Nathan Crane
I hated being told what to do. I wanted to do what I wanted to do. I hated authority. I did terrible in school because of the authority. When I applied myself, I did amazing at things that I wanted to learn. And I felt like in school, 80% of stuff I had no interest in. So I would just get bored and obnoxious and harass the teachers or ask the kids, be like the class clown, you know, really reaching out for attention.
00;31;15;24 – 00;31;38;17
Nathan Crane
And I think, you know, having your parents go through a divorce when you’re 12 years old, you know, your older brother being sent away to go live with our grandparents because we had, you know, challenges in the family and just parents fighting a lot and things like that. You know, they’re working full-time. They’re dealing with their own stuff, their own childhood stuff maybe they hadn’t dealt with.
00;31;39;22 – 00;32;01;08
Nathan Crane
And then, you know, next older brother being sent away because having the same thing, you know, I don’t want to get into too many details, like with my mom’s relationship with my brother, my dad was with my brother and all that. Like right now, not on this podcast. Maybe another time or maybe I’ll bring them on and they can talk about it if they want to.
00;32;01;08 – 00;32;23;27
Nathan Crane
But basically we had a pretty dysfunctional family, a lot of alcoholism in the family, especially on my dad’s side and certainly some on on my mom’s side there. You know, alcoholism obviously leads to dysfunction. And I got involved at a really young age in experimenting with alcohol and drugs. I mean, I think the first time I got really drunk, I was like 12 years old.
00;32;25;06 – 00;32;39;25
Nathan Crane
The first time I got stoned, I think I was somewhere between ten and 13. I don’t remember the exact age, but it was like I was with my sister’s boyfriend. We went out for a drive. He’s like, Hey, you want some weed? I was like, Yeah, sure. And it was, you know, And then all the kids I hung out with, too.
00;32;40;14 – 00;32;58;10
Nathan Crane
It’s something for parents to think about. All the kids I hung out with when I was younger were all way older than me. So when I was in fourth grade, I was hanging out with, you know, sixth graders. Seventh graders. When I was in sixth grade, I was hanging out with the eighth graders when I was in seventh, eighth, sixth, seventh, eighth grade.
00;32;58;10 – 00;33;15;18
Nathan Crane
I was hanging out with high schoolers. You know, I’ve always just resonated more with people who are older than me. And a lot of these kid older kids were like, you know, smoking weed and doing drugs and partying, you know, freshman sophomores, drinking a lot. And so I’d go hang out with them and, you know, lie to my parents.
00;33;15;18 – 00;33;34;05
Nathan Crane
They didn’t know I was doing this stuff. They had no idea or my mom had no idea. It’s like she wouldn’t have let me do it. And when they found a suitcase full of bongs and pipes and stolen cigars and weed, all kinds of stuff that was locked up in my in a trunk that I had in my closet, and they found, like, this huge thing.
00;33;34;05 – 00;33;55;17
Nathan Crane
And you could tell I’ve been doing this for years. They found it when I was like 12. It was like this crazy shock to them, right? Understandably so. And so a lot of that emotion, you know, constantly being punished, not really having anyone to talk to was either. It was like punishment, punishment, punishment for me that wasn’t effective.
00;33;55;17 – 00;34;25;13
Nathan Crane
I think that sent me deeper into the rabbit hole of disconnecting from any kind of positive experience in society. And it just, I think, just pushed me away further and like, okay, punish me or watch me. I’m going to go be this person that you think I am, you know what I mean? And a lot of this stuff I have to think through even deeper to really understand the mindset I was going through.
00;34;25;27 – 00;34;47;17
Nathan Crane
I know there was pain, I know there was fear, I know there was resentment, I know there was confusion. But at the same time, man, when I took a hit of weed or I drank it, it was like I felt amazing. So not knowing how to deal with your emotions and not really knowing what they are feeling like I had to like, suppress them inside.
00;34;47;17 – 00;35;02;16
Nathan Crane
And then you get stoned or drunk or high or something and you feel amazing and you’ve been told your whole life this stuff is bad for you, it’s terrible for you. It’s going to kill you, it’s horrible for you. You’re going to feel that. And then you smoke and you’re like, Oh, I feel amazing. I feel like relaxed for the first time.
00;35;02;16 – 00;35;33;21
Nathan Crane
And it’s like subconsciously, I think we think as a kid, my parents are liars or these people are liars, Teachers are liars, police are liars. The DARE officers that came to our school were liars. Because this makes me feel amazing. Knowing I don’t feel this tension inside. I feel relaxed and calm and great right now when I talk to my kids about is my seven-year-old, my 12-year-old is like, look, hopefully, you never touch any of this stuff, but if you ever do, you need to know like, yes, you’re going to feel amazing.
00;35;33;27 – 00;36;00;20
Nathan Crane
Yes, you’re going to feel great. Yes, You’re going to you know, you might feel like you have more confidence or you might feel relaxed or whatever it is, but there is negative consequences to that. You are going to have a comedown from it. You may make really stupid decisions when you’re drunk. You know, you may or may not be yourself, you may do something you regret, you may end up, you know, getting in a car wreck or something really, really terrible because it also impairs your cognition.
00;36;00;20 – 00;36;22;04
Nathan Crane
And there are detrimental side effects. Health effects, you know, can lead to cancer, etc., etc.. So I talk to them about both sides. So if they ever do try it, they can reconnect to that, right? Hopefully, they don’t, but they can reconnect to the truth, like the whole truth. And I think as parents, we try to lie to our kids like so-called white lies to protect them.
00;36;22;04 – 00;36;57;07
Nathan Crane
And I and I actually think that’s not a great approach. I want to be as honest with my kids as possible and help them see the full story. So so they’re more informed. And so to kind of put a pin on that, I mean, if I look back, I think a 15, 16, 17, 18, I was lost more than anything, but I was all my energy was just all in like you know, I was running a full-on business at that time.
00;36;57;07 – 00;37;11;22
Nathan Crane
I mean, I was running around with gangsters and I was running around with guns and I was running from the police and I was on house arrest. And I you know, it was I was all in, like, the things people who know me know that when I do something, I go all in and I’ve had that my whole life.
00;37;11;22 – 00;37;36;21
Nathan Crane
So unfortunately, at a young age, I went all in into that kind of lifestyle, that negative lifestyle, the drugs and alcohol and drug dealing and all of that. I mean, one sent all in and I had two options for outcomes. It was prison or it was death. And now and I could feel that. I could feel either one of those.
00;37;37;18 – 00;38;05;19
Nathan Crane
I was on the doorstep of prison or death. And I had a great mentor in my life, Dennis Davis. I lived with him and his family and Martina Davis, beautiful, loving, caring mother and just philosophical kind of spiritual father. Live with them for a while. And I started really, you know, reflecting on life, meditating, learning from them and it just opened me up to some other possibilities.
00;38;05;19 – 00;38;27;03
Nathan Crane
And, you know, long story short, in Story for another time moved to California, San Diego, and basically started my life over at 18 and realized and again when all in you know from then until now I was like, I want to learn to be healthy and happy and fulfilled. I know what it’s like to be unhealthy and sick and near death, digestive issues and health issues.
00;38;27;03 – 00;38;51;08
Nathan Crane
And like I was eating so poorly and plus all the alcohol and cigarettes and everything else I was killing myself. Right. And not to mention I had people that were, you know, potentially trying to kill me as well and getting in fights and things like this. So definitely on death’s doorstep. But since then, I am now healthier, happier, more fulfilled than I’ve ever been in my entire life.
00;38;51;08 – 00;39;17;16
Nathan Crane
So I learned a lot from that. Thank God who survived it and can help others who are struggling with things like that. But, you know, I don’t know if I had a solution-oriented mindset back then. I can’t you know, I don’t think I did. I don’t think I had quite as much of one. It was more like that bullheaded stubbornness all in no matter what, get out of my way, kind of drive that.
00;39;17;16 – 00;39;36;00
Nathan Crane
I still have some of that today. But I would say with hopefully with more wisdom, with the ability to, I’d say at least with more discernment, like that drive and commitment and all of that, but with discernment and go, okay, am I in the right direction? Am I making sure I’m not hurting other people in my path? Am I taking care of the people that I care about?
00;39;36;00 – 00;39;40;03
Nathan Crane
Right. These are the things that I focus on today.
00;39;40;03 – 00;39;55;28
Cyrus Khambatta
That’s some powerful stuff. I actually want to go even deeper into that story, so maybe we can do that on a separate occasion, because I think that there’s a there’s a lot of psychology that you could probably, you know, go backwards and travel in your head to experience What.
00;39;56;03 – 00;40;16;01
Nathan Crane
Yeah, there’s a lot there for sure. But I want to go to your diet. So what was your diet when you thought you were eating healthy? A lot of people think they’re eating healthy today. When you thought you were eating healthy in your early twenties before you were diagnosed said, I was active. I was exercising. You know, I was doing all the right stuff.
00;40;16;01 – 00;40;27;01
Nathan Crane
How could I have these autoimmune diseases? What were you eating and what about that made you think it was a healthy diet?
00;40;27;28 – 00;40;50;26
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay, so it was actually pretty simple. I mean, I was I had graduated from college at the age of 23. I then went to live with some friends in Mountain View, California, and I was, you know, working at NASA as an aeronautical engineer. And I would, you know, go to the grocery store and I would buy food and bring it home and prepare it myself or prepare it with my housemates.
00;40;50;26 – 00;41;15;07
Cyrus Khambatta
And my dad at that time had gotten me a book. It was a book about the diabetic cookbook. And I would look through it and the entire cookbook was all about low carb, everything. So, you know, it was like salmon and chicken and turkey burgers and, you know, trout with pea cheese and, you know, these types of like animal food, heavy dishes that were all about being low carb.
00;41;15;07 – 00;41;16;24
Cyrus Khambatta
So I literally just follow the instructions.
00;41;17;02 – 00;41;20;20
Nathan Crane
This was just sort of business foods. This was before your diagnosis? No.
00;41;21;09 – 00;41;25;10
Cyrus Khambatta
No. This is basically right after I got diagnosed. Well, yeah. So what? The low carbohydrate diet.
00;41;25;16 – 00;41;27;20
Nathan Crane
Right? Right. What were you eating before that? The thought was.
00;41;27;21 – 00;41;28;12
Cyrus Khambatta
Oh, before that.
00;41;28;12 – 00;41;29;06
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Yeah.
00;41;29;06 – 00;41;47;17
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay. So what I as I, as I grew up, my mom was responsible for making most of the food in the household. And she told me from a very young age or she got me very interested in food from a very young age. So at the age of seven, eight years old, I was in the kitchen with her and I was helping her cook, you know, pasta with meat sauce.
00;41;47;17 – 00;42;05;24
Cyrus Khambatta
And we would prepare sandwiches together and she would teach me how to make eggs with hollandaise sauce on the weekends and waffles and things like that, and so on a typical day, what I was eating is I would wake up in the morning and I’d eat, you know, a cereal. And the cereal could be it wasn’t one of those sugar-laden cereals.
00;42;05;24 – 00;42;21;16
Cyrus Khambatta
It was either like Chex or Cheerios or Grape-Nuts, something like that. Right. Every once in a while I’d sneak in something like, you know, Cinnamon Toast Crunch with a little bit of sugar in there. But like, for the most part, I was trying to eat the quote-unquote healthy cereals.
00;42;21;17 – 00;42;29;11
Nathan Crane
That was my favorite. That was my favorite cereal as a kid. Cinnamon Toast Crunch. Like pure sugar, pure poison, pure toxins. Unbelievable.
00;42;30;01 – 00;42;47;15
Cyrus Khambatta
Unbelievable. I mean, I would agree with that. Actually, one day we ran out of milk and I had to put orange juice on my cinnamon toast crunch, and I was like, Oh, God, this is to be a horrendous experience. And it made the orange juice taste really, really good. So give back the back of that. Okay. So yeah, I would eat that for breakfast sometimes.
00;42;47;15 – 00;43;06;04
Cyrus Khambatta
I had like an ego waffle and I really love those as well. And then by the time I got to like lunchtime, my mom literally my mom made a sandwich for me and she packed my lunch for me every single day without a single day off. Between the first day of kindergarten and the last day of 12th grade.
00;43;06;19 – 00;43;23;28
Cyrus Khambatta
I mean, you talk about relentless commitment like, that was my mom right there. She did that for me and for both of my sisters was unbelievable. So in that lunch, she would pack us a sandwich that was, you know, carefully constructed. That would change on a daily basis. But there was deli meat inside and there was deli cheese inside.
00;43;23;28 – 00;43;38;19
Cyrus Khambatta
And there was a little bit of, you know, tomato and maybe some lettuce. And then there was like a Dutch crunch bread on the outside. Right. And then in addition to that, we might have like a little Tupperware container with some pasta inside of it, maybe some leftovers from the night before. There was a little little bit of fish or maybe some meatloaf.
00;43;39;06 – 00;43;59;03
Cyrus Khambatta
And then by the time we got home for dinner, you know, I would go play a game of soccer or like, practice soccer for 2 to 3 hours. And I come home and I was ravenous. And then at that point, we’d be eating, you know, usually some type of meat along with some vegetables. So it could be like meatloaf with, you know, broccoli and green beans or it could be, you know, like Kako von.
00;43;59;03 – 00;44;09;20
Cyrus Khambatta
I don’t know if you heard that, but it’s like, you know, chicken cooked in a French style with some phyllo dough on top of it with a side of, you know, maybe with like a side salad to go.
00;44;09;21 – 00;44;11;08
Nathan Crane
What do you call that cocktail Von?
00;44;12;16 – 00;44;13;14
Cyrus Khambatta
Coq Auvergne.
00;44;13;24 – 00;44;18;01
Nathan Crane
So that it was like cheese on chicken and like sauce and stuff?
00;44;18;18 – 00;44;27;28
Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah, it’s like chicken with, like a filo dough crust on top of it. I think von means basically like chicken in wine. I think it was cooked in a wine sauce.
00;44;28;04 – 00;44;37;07
Nathan Crane
So my mom used to make something similar that was called she called Chicken Divan, and it was like our favorite dish. Yeah. Growing up, it was like one of our dishes. Yeah.
00;44;37;25 – 00;44;38;20
Cyrus Khambatta
When she cooked, she.
00;44;38;20 – 00;45;02;24
Nathan Crane
Was like, she was an amazing cook, you know? And we did cook and eat together as a family, like, as we were younger. And then, and then the separation happened and then it just, you know, it was like everyone was so busy, just like, eat fast food, eat whatever, eat top ramen, eat McDonald’s. You know, But like, so sounds like your, you know, kind of a typical home-cooked kind of family.
00;45;02;24 – 00;45;26;14
Nathan Crane
I mean, yeah, it does sound healthier than, unfortunately, what most Americans are eating today, which today it’s highly processed, high sugar, fast food that is unbelievably toxic. Right. I mean, it’s unfortunate and most people are eating today. But it sounds like I mean, you guys had some vegetables. It was home-cooked foods and meats and things like that.
00;45;27;14 – 00;45;33;15
Nathan Crane
So generally, I would say you probably were eating healthier than most people for sure.
00;45;33;15 – 00;45;52;14
Cyrus Khambatta
For sure. I think the distinction to make is that like back in the 1980s and 1990s, there wasn’t as much information about nutrition as there is now. Not even close. Right. And so my mom was doing the best she could with the information that she had at the time, like she was doing a great job, right? So what she would do is she would go to the grocery store, we would go to grocery store together.
00;45;52;22 – 00;46;13;09
Cyrus Khambatta
We would buy real ingredients. We would bring the real ingredients home and we would make the real ingredients. Right. That’s supposed to be healthy. But the problem is that the real ingredients that we were buying were, number one, more processed than the packaging would lead you to believe. And number two, it was again, the marketing was about drink milk.
00;46;13;09 – 00;46;14;07
Cyrus Khambatta
I mean, I remember the.
00;46;14;07 – 00;46;14;29
Nathan Crane
Advertising.
00;46;14;29 – 00;46;29;10
Cyrus Khambatta
With like Andre Agassi with a milk mustache that said got milk. And I was like, he’s my idol. I want to be just like that guy. I’m going to go drink some milk. So the advertising and the sort of environment was about milk is good for you, eggs are good for you, cheese is good for you, meat is good for you.
00;46;29;19 – 00;46;55;18
Cyrus Khambatta
So that happened to everybody. So when you to the grocery store, despite the fact that you’re trying to buy, quote unquote healthy food, you end up with a bunch of ingredients that you then go prepare for yourself. But those ingredients are not the right ingredients to buy. But again, it wasn’t her fault. She was doing a phenomenal job and she was trying to do everything she possibly could to raise a family in a in an environment where we weren’t relying on ultra-processed foods and we weren’t getting fast food multiple times per week.
00;46;56;08 – 00;47;19;08
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s huge. And yeah, it’s the same thing. I mean, it’s like, I don’t blame my parents for anything. It happened and I love them both today. And we have great relationships today, right? And I think it’s important for people who are going through challenges to look back and that you have blame towards, you know, people in your life or family members or resentment and blaming them for things.
00;47;19;08 – 00;47;42;02
Nathan Crane
You know, it’s an opportunity to try and find a way to forgive them. And because they’re doing it, they did the best they could with what they had. And that’s you’re exactly right. When you say that. And so you went from fairly home-cooked, you know, meat and dairy and vegetables and different things, sandwiches, whatever, pasta breads, cereals to, you know, being diagnosed.
00;47;42;02 – 00;48;05;08
Nathan Crane
You have alopecia, Hashimoto’s, type one diabetes. These are all autoimmune diseases, by the way. Correct. Type one diabetes for people don’t understand is an autoimmune disease significantly different in its causes and so forth. Well, we don’t know on the causes side, but different in different from type two diabetes, different from type one and have diabetes different from these other types of diabetes.
00;48;05;08 – 00;48;10;01
Nathan Crane
So don’t you talk just to give people a little background who don’t know the differences between the different types of diabetes?
00;48;10;25 – 00;48;33;12
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay, great. So there’s basically historically, there’s only been two types of diabetes, type one and type two, right? And so people like, oh, okay, type one is what happens to kids. Type two is what happens to adults and just leave it at that. It’s a lot more complicated. That’s got a lot more nuanced. So in today’s world, there’s type one, Type 1.5 pre-diabetes, type two diabetes, gestational diabetes, and now type three diabetes.
00;48;34;03 – 00;49;00;05
Cyrus Khambatta
So I’ll walk you through each one of them, Type one and type 1.5 diabetes are autoimmune versions of diabetes, just like you were talking about. Like autoimmune means your own immune system mounts an attack on a specific population of cells in a particular organ, and then it causes those cells to get destroyed. And as a result that you end up with some type of endocrine dysfunction.
00;49;00;16 – 00;49;22;08
Cyrus Khambatta
In this situation, my immune system attacked the beta cells inside of my pancreas. The beta cells responsible for secreting insulin. So if you attack the beta cells, they do what’s called programed cell death or a pet ptosis. Those beta cells self-destruct. And as a result of that now your ability to secrete insulin goes from being what’s considered normal down to effectively zero.
00;49;22;27 – 00;49;43;07
Cyrus Khambatta
So as a result of that immune system attacks itself, that causes a loss of insulin production. And now I have to go inject insulin from the outside world. So I have to you know, you can use a a syringe, you can use an insulin, you can use an insulin pen. There’s many different delivery mechanisms. But the idea here is that now I’m responsible for managing my own insulin use.
00;49;44;03 – 00;50;13;00
Cyrus Khambatta
And managing insulin is a very it’s I mean, it requires a lot of thought and a lot of consideration. Very, very, very complex topic. But suffice it to say that type one diabetes is an autoimmune condition that generally affects people under the age of 30 and is a relatively rapid progression towards full insulin dependence and I say rapid meaning you get diagnosed with type one diabetes and usually 12 to 18 months later you are fully, fully 100%.
00;50;13;00 – 00;50;33;25
Cyrus Khambatta
It’s all about type 1.5. It’s slightly different. It affects people who are the over the age of 30 and it is a much slower-progressing version of Type one diabetes. So it’s adult onset, slow-progressing, type one diabetes. Some people who are diagnosed with type 1.5 diabetes may never become fully insulin dependent. Sometimes their pancreas still manufactures a little bit.
00;50;34;03 – 00;50;52;08
Cyrus Khambatta
But the idea is as a sort of like a weaker version of type one, if you will, that affects adults. Those are the only two versions of autoimmunity in the diabetes world. That’s it. Everything else is not autoimmune. Okay, pre-diabetes, type two diabetes, gestational diabetes and type three. So prediabetes and type two diabetes are connected to one another.
00;50;52;26 – 00;51;17;19
Cyrus Khambatta
And the reason is because you if you develop insulin resistance, which is the precursor or condition to both of those conditions, you develop insulin resistance. Insulin resistance, if uncorrected develops into pre-diabetes. Pre-diabetes if uncorrected turns into type two diabetes. But the beauty here is that in the same way that you go from one step to the next to the next, in order to get to type two diabetes, you can also reverse it.
00;51;17;19 – 00;51;43;20
Cyrus Khambatta
You can go from type two to pre-diabetic, from pre-diabetic down to insulin resistance, from insulin resistance down to insulin sensitive. And when you do that, then you can technically completely reverse the entire disease process. So that leaves us with gestational diabetes, which is a type of diabetes that is also, again, it starts with insulin resistance, it progresses to pre-diabetes and then gestational diabetes that happens to women when they are pregnant.
00;51;43;20 – 00;52;06;08
Cyrus Khambatta
It usually goes away after pregnancy. But what most women don’t understand is that even if you were living with gestational diabetes and it disappears once you deliver your baby, the mere fact that you were living with gestational diabetes is a warning sign that you have metabolic dysfunction inside of your blood vessels and liver and kidneys and muscle. That’s number one.
00;52;06;24 – 00;52;27;22
Cyrus Khambatta
Number two, women who are diagnosed with gestational diabetes are at a 65% increased risk for the development of Type two diabetes 3 to 5 years in the future. It is a huge wake-up signal, a huge wake-up sign that something is wrong and you have an opportunity to fix that thing so that you don’t develop type two diabetes in the future.
00;52;27;26 – 00;52;49;08
Cyrus Khambatta
And it also can increase the risk for the development of prediabetes and type two diabetes in your child many years into the future. So that’s gestational. The final thing is type three diabetes, type three diabetes is a new form of diabetes that’s basically been created over the past ten or 20 years and it’s just a new name for an old condition.
00;52;49;22 – 00;53;37;24
Cyrus Khambatta
The condition is called Alzheimer’s disease. Alzheimer’s disease is cause is basically dementia. Vascular dementia and vascular dementia is a condition that is highly influenced by your metabolic state. It is highly influenced by insulin resistance. So the more insulin resistant you become in your muscles and, in your liver, the more insulin resistant your brain becomes. And your brain, when exposed to high levels of insulin over the course of time from your pancreas, when your brain is living in an insulin-resistant metabolic state over the course of 20 years, 30 years, 40 years, 50 years, 70 years can lead you towards vascular dementia and Alzheimer’s disease.
00;53;38;06 – 00;54;08;24
Cyrus Khambatta
And the reason why researchers are now calling it type three diabetes is because they they think of it as insulin resistance of your brain. And it is a fascinating area of research and what we are seeing, the general theme is that insulin resistance is a condition that not only increases risk for many different forms of diabetes, but it also is directly linked with cardiovascular disease.
00;54;09;11 – 00;54;34;17
Cyrus Khambatta
It is directly linked with cancer and diabetes, heart disease and cancer claim the lives of more than 80% of our population. Those are the big three and we have to get a handle on those three. And if you want to unite all of those three into one common mechanism, the common mechanism is resistance. Period. End of story.
00;54;34;17 – 00;54;59;13
Nathan Crane
So we’re going to unpack that and dive deep into it. Talking about autoimmune diabetes first, which is type one, type one and a half, the kind of conventional medical scientific community is not exactly in agreement yet of what the underlying cause of these autoimmune diabetes are. Correct.
00;55;01;00 – 00;55;02;15
Cyrus Khambatta
That is a correction now.
00;55;03;03 – 00;55;29;04
Nathan Crane
And we’re going to go into that in a little bit. And I want to know yours. I know your thoughts. I want to have you share your thoughts with everyone around. Maybe what you think is causing the autoimmune disease for diabetes to appear. Type two diabetes and beyond, or pre-diabetes or gestational diabetes and beyond, which is what, you know, the different type of diabetes and most people have today, prediabetes, gestational diabetes, type two diabetes, type three diabetes.
00;55;29;04 – 00;56;19;20
Nathan Crane
This is what the vast majority of people with diabetes or being going to be diagnosed with diabetes have. These are primarily diet and lifestyle related. Right. And we can talk about what that is, what those underlying causes and conditions that lead to insulin resistance. And when you know the underlying causes, then we can use our solution-oriented mindset like we talked about, okay, if I know the causes, let me stop the causes, the things that are causing it, and start to implement the solutions that will help empower my body to prevent this from getting worse and or halt its progression completely and or reverse it entirely.
00;56;19;20 – 00;56;49;02
Nathan Crane
And you’ve seen many cases of this, I know in your work through Mastering diabetes and a lot of the people that you work with from people don’t know, you ended up getting your Ph.D. in, Didn’t you do your thesis on diabetes or what did you do? You basically when you decided, okay, I need to understand this, and so you started going to school, you went continue your schooling to learn more about health, right?
00;56;49;26 – 00;57;06;19
Cyrus Khambatta
That’s exactly right. So, you know, to follow up on a previous story we talked about, I go to the doctors, I’m sorry, I go to the hospital, I get diagnosed with type one diabetes. I then eat a low-carbohydrate diet. I eat the low carbohydrate diet for a year. My life is getting worse and worse and worse. My energy levels are going lower, my insulin use is going up.
00;57;06;19 – 00;57;25;01
Cyrus Khambatta
Even though my doctor said that wouldn’t happen, my blood glucose is going up, even though my doctor said that wouldn’t happen, I developed anxiety, I became depressed. I mean, my life pretty much just sucked at that moment in time. And I basically told myself there has to be a better way there was one moment in particular that just pissed me off beyond belief.
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00;58;45;17 – 00;58;47;05
Nathan Crane
Now let’s get back to the show.
00;58;47;29 – 00;59;05;20
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay. I had played a soccer game. I actively play soccer. It’s like my favorite sport of all time. And at lunchtime at Naza, there was a soccer game with a bunch of people who go out and we played very competitive and it was actually really fun. So I would play that game and the game happens every single day.
00;59;05;24 – 00;59;28;15
Cyrus Khambatta
And what I recognized is that under normal circumstances I could play a game of soccer and I would be able to recover with approximately 24 hours so I could play a game. Then I could go out and I could play another game, for approximately 24 hours, and I could repeat that three or four times a week. Okay. At this time in my life, I would play one game of soccer and it would take me four days to recover my recovery time for X because my muscles were tight, my joints were tight, and it didn’t.
00;59;28;15 – 00;59;43;13
Cyrus Khambatta
I felt like I was in the body of an 80-year-old man. So I’m already tight and I’m already sort of like fatigued from having played a game of soccer three days before I come home. I check my blood glucose, I look at my blood glucose meter and I was expecting the number to be somewhere in the low 100 so that I could eat dinner.
00;59;43;24 – 01;00;01;10
Cyrus Khambatta
I look at the number and it’s a 266. I was so pissed off because I had done everything that the doctors had told me. I kept my carbohydrate intake low. I was exercising frequently, I was drinking a lot of water and I was keeping my stress levels low. I literally was like, check, check, check, check. Look at my blood glucose meter to 66.
01;00;01;10 – 01;00;22;18
Cyrus Khambatta
I was like, This system doesn’t work. And I took my blood glucose meter and I threw it against the wall as hard as I could. Shattered a thousand pieces. I fell onto the couch on my back and I started crying and I was like, This is dumb. What am I doing with my life? I’m I’m following information like, clear this doesn’t work because if it was working, my blood glucose would be more controlled.
01;00;22;18 – 01;00;45;03
Cyrus Khambatta
My insulin use would not have doubled over the course of the first year. I wouldn’t be stressed. I wouldn’t have anxiety about my health. I would be able to exercise like a normal 23-year-old guy, not feeling like I’m living in the body of an 80-year-old man. Something is wrong. So then I basically opened my mind at that moment and I said some solutions-oriented, What is your solution going to be?
01;00;45;17 – 01;01;05;01
Cyrus Khambatta
And I started talking to people who talked to, people who talked to people who then pointed me in the direction of going in the direction of a plant-based diet. So I wasn’t looking for that. I ended up becoming friends with a guy named Dr. Doug Graham. He is a an expert on plant-based nutrition, and he teaches people how to basically adopt a raw food diet.
01;01;05;08 – 01;01;21;02
Cyrus Khambatta
I said, Doug, help me. I’m in a state of despair. Can you help me out? And he said, Cyrus, I’m going to change your life in one week and your life is going to be fundamentally changed from the inside out. And this is going to be one of the greatest things that ever happened to you guys.
01;01;21;02 – 01;01;21;23
Nathan Crane
What year was it?
01;01;22;29 – 01;01;44;17
Cyrus Khambatta
2003. So I travel to Colorado. I go hang out with him for a week at a group sports retreat with a whole bunch of other people. And there he basically is educating people about the, you know, the detriment of a standard American diet, the detriment of a low carbohydrate diet. And why eating a whole food plant-based diet that’s very high in fruit and vegetables is a phenomenal solution for short-term and long-term health.
01;01;45;03 – 01;02;03;19
Cyrus Khambatta
So I go and I absorb all the information. You know, he’s teaching. I’m writing every single thing down or playing sports multiple times a day. And already within 24, 48, 72 hours, I can feel the difference inside of me. More energy, more hydrated, sleeping a little bit better, feeling much more hopeful. Blood glucose values start to come down.
01;02;03;25 – 01;02;23;22
Cyrus Khambatta
By the time I left his retreat in one week, my blood glucose had fallen so sharply that my insulin use had fallen by 40% because I had to give myself less insulin because my blood glucose was much more controllable, my mind was blown. I was like a dog. In seven days, you literally have made more change in my blood glucose than I have been experiencing since the time I got diagnosed a year ago.
01;02;24;06 – 01;02;43;29
Cyrus Khambatta
And he said, he said was when you’re dealing with the right information, anything is possible. When you’re dealing with crappy information, you can’t really make sense of anything. And I said, Yeah, you’re absolutely right. So he goes, I want you to call me five years from now and tell me how you feel. And I was like, Wow, five years.
01;02;43;29 – 01;02;58;29
Cyrus Khambatta
That’s a long time. He’s like, It’s not a long time. It’s a blip on the radar. You’ll be fine. Go do it. So I credit Doug with having fundamentally changed my life from the inside out. Long story short, the reason I’m telling you the story is because I made the transition to eating a plant-based diet, and all of a sudden I started to feel a thousand times better.
01;02;59;04 – 01;03;16;02
Cyrus Khambatta
I continued this process. I said, You know what? I love this so much. And my insulin use is down, my blood glucose is down. I can I’m more active. I went and I purchased a bike, a road bike, and I got on that road bike and I rode that bike. I think it was 8000 miles in the next year.
01;03;16;17 – 01;03;36;02
Cyrus Khambatta
I was so excited and I just would ride my bike all over the place. I signed up for a an endurance cycling event and I joined a team and I was racing with other people and had a phenomenal time. Point being is that I, I was reborn from the inside out and I attribute 99% of that to eating a plant-based diet.
01;03;37;04 – 01;04;02;24
Cyrus Khambatta
And so I went and got a Ph.D. in the topic of insulin resistance. So when I went to UC Berkeley, I started working with Marc Hellerstein, who is a modern-day Good Will Hunting. This guy is so freaking smart. He knows so much information. He is literally an encyclopedia. He’s the type of guy that when he talks, I literally have to follow him around and scribble things down on a piece of paper so that I can make sense of what he’s saying.
01;04;03;15 – 01;04;21;03
Cyrus Khambatta
So he gave me the opportunity to study insulin resistance inside and out. He said, You’re going to create insulin resistance in laboratory animals. You’re going to reverse insulin resistance in laboratory animals. You’re going to use intermittent fasting as one of the techniques, and you can use exercise as another technique. But I want you to become one of the world’s experts in insulin resistance.
01;04;21;03 – 01;05;06;06
Cyrus Khambatta
And I said his name. His name’s Mark Hellerstein. And so over the course of the next five years, I took his advice and performed hundreds of experiments and learned everything there was to possibly learn about how to create and how to reverse some resistance using food and using intermittent fasting. And as a result of that, it has become very clear to me, extremely clear to me that the information that’s present inside of the scientific world about what causes insulin resistance and what you can do to reverse insulin resistance, this information is crystal clear and it started in the 1920s.
01;05;06;18 – 01;05;25;21
Cyrus Khambatta
It is now a hundred years old. And over the course of the last 100 years, research team after research team after research team has built their predecessors and has developed a very clear picture of what actually causes and the things that actually causes the resistance. The number one cause is not eating carbohydrates. It’s not carbs, it’s not sugar.
01;05;25;27 – 01;05;59;23
Cyrus Khambatta
That’s what people think it is. Eating a diet that contains a significant amount of fat, dietary fat, lipids cause insulin resistance, and excess consumption of lipids causes insulin resistance. And that sets the stage for prediabetes and type two diabetes, and it worsens blood glucose control and type one diabetes. So I was able to learn that implemented experiment with it, develop insulin resistance in laboratory animals and then rescue that insulin sensitivity by using intermittent fasting and calorie restriction.
01;06;00;14 – 01;06;22;12
Cyrus Khambatta
So the scientific world knows the answer and the scientific world. Truth be told, it has known the answer for 100 years. The general public does the opposite, and this is what kills me. This is really what where I get like it’s just blows my mind that the scientific research is very clear. But yet what the general public does, the general public follows fad diets.
01;06;22;12 – 01;06;48;07
Cyrus Khambatta
The general public follows things that look shiny, follows shiny objects like the Atkins diet, the zone diet, the South Beach diet, the Paleo diet, the ketogenic diet. And all of these are literally the exact opposite of a low-fat plant-based whole-food diet. These are the opposite of the type of diet that would actually maintain health over the course of time.
01;06;48;18 – 01;07;16;03
Cyrus Khambatta
These diets cause insulin resistance, make you more insulin resistant over time, and they increase your overall chronic disease risk. Yet these are the diets that everybody on social media is following. These are the diets that people on YouTube and Instagram and TikTok are raving about. And this is what your average person is exposed to who doesn’t have an opportunity to go lock themselves into a library for five years and read all the scientific research.
01;07;17;20 – 01;07;20;06
Cyrus Khambatta
So we do have a problem, but it’s definitely solvable.
01;07;20;23 – 01;07;45;03
Nathan Crane
So there have been more studies recently in the last few years that have replicated exactly what you’re talking about. You know, these are mice studies where they show that putting them on a ketogenic diet does increase insulin resistance, which leads to type two diabetes. Now. And as you said, this research has been around for a long time.
01;07;46;01 – 01;08;06;09
Nathan Crane
But the other side of that is there are a lot of people do a quick object diet and they say they feel better and they feel amazing. The energy is better and they’re not necessarily seeing insulin resistance or maybe it’s building and they’re not aware of it. I don’t know. I’m not seeing there, you know, are they? I have not seen their fasting a onesie or any of these kinds of things.
01;08;06;09 – 01;08;29;11
Nathan Crane
I don’t know. But people claim this all the time online. And you know, there are researchers and scientists who also say, like this recent study in 2018 that basically replicated the exact study you’re talking about the ketogenic diet, increasing insulin resistance, that there are some limitations of the study. It’s a mouse study. It doesn’t necessarily translate over to human beings.
01;08;31;03 – 01;08;47;10
Nathan Crane
And I believe the mice have diabetes as well. So that was like a factor. They were saying that was limiting. But I mean, what do you say to that when a researcher or anybody says, Well, yeah, it was my studies were humans were not mice?
01;08;48;25 – 01;09;20;13
Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah, it’s a good question. So the answer is there’s a very strong crossover between the the metabolism or the sort of metabolic functions within a mouse and, within a human. So from a genetic perspective, mice and humans are very, very, very close to one another. And when I say that we’re very close to one another, I mean that genomes are, you know, like if you did a Venn diagram of the mouse genome versus the human genome, there would be a ridiculous amount of crossover.
01;09;21;19 – 01;09;41;13
Cyrus Khambatta
And there are some very important genes which are very different, and that causes us to look different, talk different, have a different, you know, different body size, different energy regulation mechanisms and beyond. But the point is that from a metabolic perspective, a lot of the mechanisms that happen in small rodents are very similar to what happens inside of us.
01;09;41;22 – 01;10;05;13
Cyrus Khambatta
We’re mammals, all part of the same general family. And as a result of that, there’s a lot of mammalian architecture which is conserved. That being said, humans are not mice, mice are not humans. So there’s definitely some differences when you study a mouse inside of a laboratory, the reason you do that is because you want to test a hypothesis.
01;10;06;01 – 01;10;26;10
Cyrus Khambatta
You want to gain insight into what could be happening in a human. You learn from it. You it, you repeat it again, you repeat it again, you repeat it again, and you convince yourself that you have something real. And then when you have that, you then go test that hypothesis. In real human beings. So mice are what are referred to as preclinical experiments.
01;10;26;21 – 01;10;47;22
Cyrus Khambatta
And if you do an observation in a mouse or could be even a rat or it could be a monkey, it’s totally fine. These are all preclinical models that give you insights into what could be happening in humans, and then eventually you progressed to doing it in humans. And then once you’re studying humans, you’re actually you can see sometimes there’s a difference between what you observed in an animal versus what’s actually happening in a human.
01;10;48;02 – 01;11;09;12
Cyrus Khambatta
But again, it there’s no it’s very hard to predict whether the results are going to be identical or whether they’re going to be slightly different from one another. And that’s okay. Chances are they’re probably going to be slightly different. But the point here is that I don’t have to rely on mouse models in order to gain insights into what’s happening in humans.
01;11;09;27 – 01;11;34;08
Cyrus Khambatta
And the reason is because the human data is already there. There’s an overwhelming amount of human research which scientists have been doing again for the past hundred years, but a lot has been concentrated in the last 20 or 30 years that unequivocally demonstrates that diets that are high in dietary fat and also funny enough, diets that are high in dietary protein, both of them worsen glucose metabolism.
01;11;34;28 – 01;11;55;28
Cyrus Khambatta
Both of them set the stage for insulin resistance. Both of them can cause elevations in blood glucose and insulin secretion over the course of time. So if we go backwards to your original question, people who are eating a ketogenic diet, they say they say, Hey, look, I believe in this ketogenic diet, you know, eating less than 30 grams of net carbohydrate per day.
01;11;56;22 – 01;12;23;27
Cyrus Khambatta
And take a look at my CGM, my continuous glucose monitor, take a look at this pattern and you look at the pattern and it is following that their blood glucose is between 80 and 100 all day long, every single day for 4 hours. There’s almost like no blip in the radar. It’s literally like a flatline. And their conclusion from looking at that flat line is I’m insulin sensitive.
01;12;25;04 – 01;12;46;07
Cyrus Khambatta
And my response to that is you don’t have enough information to conclude whether or not you’re insulin sensitivity number. One, you do have a very flat blood glucose, and that is very admirable. So high five for that, no question. Okay. Number two, we have to in order to measure insulin resistance, we need two variables. We need to know what is your blood glucose doing?
01;12;46;20 – 01;13;05;08
Cyrus Khambatta
And we need to know what is your insulin requirements. Only if we have those two pieces of information can we put them together to determine what your actual level of insulin resistance is. But if you’re looking at only one and not looking at the other, you only have half the picture. So the blood glucose meter is important, the CGM is important.
01;13;06;17 – 01;13;25;01
Cyrus Khambatta
The second thing that people, you know, especially with type one diabetes will do is they’ll say, Hey, look, take a look at my CGM. It’s a flat line and I’ll prove to you I injected only eight units of insulin all day long, right? I used to inject 25 units of insulin. Now I inject eight units of insulin and my blood glucose is fat.
01;13;25;08 – 01;13;50;14
Cyrus Khambatta
So I have my blood because and I have my insulin and I can prove to you that I’m insulin sensitive. And my answer to that is cool. You have low blood glucose, you have low insulin. But here’s the problem. You’re actually in an insulin resistance state because what you are not doing is you are not measuring your insulin and glucose when challenged with glucose, that is the key.
01;13;50;29 – 01;14;00;17
Cyrus Khambatta
This is the one key that even a lot of the scientific world can’t get straight. You cannot measure insulin resistance independent of a glucose challenge.
01;14;01;24 – 01;14;05;26
Nathan Crane
You they’re not they’re not in carbohydrate. They’re not eating carbohydrates as what you’re saying.
01;14;06;22 – 01;14;29;16
Cyrus Khambatta
They’re not they’re not eating carbohydrate. And or if they were to go take an oral glucose tolerance test, which is a test that you can take at Quest’s laboratory, or you know lab core, that is the most that is the easiest test that you can take for insulin resistance that in which you will drink a solution that contains 75 grams of glucose in water.
01;14;29;16 – 01;14;50;12
Cyrus Khambatta
You drink it and then you monitor your blood glucose and insulin. Over the course of the next 2 hours, you take the glucose challenge and then you monitor your glucose and insulin, right? Or like you were saying, you eat a plate of carbohydrates, you have a mixed meal that contains a significant carbohydrate load and then you challenge and then you monitor your glucose and insulin over the course of time.
01;14;50;28 – 01;15;19;06
Cyrus Khambatta
That’s the only way that you’re ever going to get a definitive result of insulin resistance or insulin sensitivity. An actual measurement, anything outside of that, whether you’re just looking at a CGM or you’re looking at your, you know, insulin pump and you’re trying to make these, you know, ad hoc calculations, it’s not good enough. So what the ketogenic world suffers from, in my professional opinion, is a whole bunch of armchair scientists who believe that they are measuring insulin resistance, but they’re not.
01;15;20;00 – 01;15;36;09
Cyrus Khambatta
And I’m not trying to point a finger at any one of them, and I’m not kind of trying to call them stupid or anything of the sort. They just don’t have the right information at their fingertips and they’re trying to draw conclusions without enough information. And as a result of that, they think that they’re operating in an insulin-sensitive state.
01;15;36;21 – 01;16;17;28
Cyrus Khambatta
But in reality, they are not only in an insulin resistance state, they’re not at only playing a carbohydrate avoidance game so that they can suppress their blood glucose and suppress their insulin use. But they are so insulin resistant that if they were to eat a single food that contains carbohydrates. And when I say a single food, I mean one banana, literally one banana that contains 20 grams of carbohydrate, one peach that contains 20 to 25 grams of carbohydrate, one Medjool date, one date that contains 18 grams of carbohydrates, they would eat any of these tiny small foods that contain carbohydrate energy.
01;16;18;06 – 01;16;45;19
Cyrus Khambatta
Their blood glucose would jump up real high and their insulin use would jump up real high. And that right there tells you that when challenged with a carbohydrate bolus, their blood glucose and insulin respond with very high numbers or very high values concentrations. And that right there tells you that they have not equipped their vasculature and their liver and their muscle to be able to handle carbohydrates.
01;16;46;07 – 01;17;07;08
Cyrus Khambatta
And as a result of that, that is telltale classical insulin resistance. So as long as you’re avoiding carbohydrates, you might come to the that you are insulin sensitive. But when you challenge with carbohydrates and you see the net result of high blood glucose and or high insulin, that is a definitive indicator that you are living in an insulin resistance state.
01;17;07;15 – 01;17;08;11
Cyrus Khambatta
Does that make any sense?
01;17;08;23 – 01;17;27;22
Nathan Crane
Yeah. So what do you see? What have you seen personally when someone who’s on a ketogenic and they have diabetes, for example, and they do this blood glucose test, either the oral test, the specific one or they, you know, a couple of pieces of fruit, like what are the numbers look like, What have you actually seen?
01;17;28;13 – 01;17;57;21
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay, so let’s say you take somebody who was living and eating a ketogenic diet and their blood glucose is 85 before they take a test and their average use of insulin is call it 15 units per day. Okay. If they were to take an oral glucose tolerance test in which they drink a solution containing 75 grams of glucose and then monitor their blood glucose over the course of the next 2 hours and monitor insulin over the course 2 hours, their blood glucose would likely go north of 250.
01;17;58;25 – 01;18;19;24
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay. Significant elevation of your glucose when you eat a meal should go no higher than 140, 230, 240. That’s what happens in normal non-diabetic individuals goes about 100 340 then it comes right back down, it goes back down to about 100 or so after a meal. So their glucose would likely go from a, you know, call it 85, north of 250.
01;18;20;11 – 01;18;49;17
Cyrus Khambatta
And the amount of insulin they have to inject in order to get their blood glucose to calm down would be very significant. So let’s say under normal circumstances for a low carbohydrate meal, they would inject two units of insulin for that meal. In this scenario, when they take that oral glucose tolerance test, they could inject upwards of six to 7 to 8 units just for that one meal in order to bring their blood glucose back down.
01;18;49;19 – 01;19;12;15
Cyrus Khambatta
So now what they’re doing is they’re significantly using they’re using a significantly higher amount of total insulin and their blood glucose went high. And as a result of that, the ratio of carbohydrate to insulin, which is how you calculate insulin sensitivity, the ratio of carbohydrate to insulin is actually very low. And as a result of that, means that their insulin.
01;19;12;15 – 01;19;13;02
Cyrus Khambatta
So that makes sense.
01;19;13;26 – 01;19;47;17
Nathan Crane
Yes. So if there if some of our key objective diets, specifically talking about diabetes here, saying that this is helping me be insulin sensitive and they do this test and it spikes up tremendously, their insulin spikes up, you know, the glucose spikes up, then the insulin use has to go up to match that glucose. What you’re saying here is that’s a clear sign that you not insulin sensitive because if you were insulin sensitive, you wouldn’t need you wouldn’t have those numbers spike up like that.
01;19;47;17 – 01;19;51;17
Nathan Crane
So so you’re saying that claim is not accurate now?
01;19;52;06 – 01;19;52;14
Cyrus Khambatta
Yep.
01;19;53;22 – 01;20;11;24
Nathan Crane
And you yourself eat a very high carbohydrate, very low-fat diet like the Doug Graham, anyone who studies his work, obviously, the 1010 has a lot of controversy around it. You know, it kind of led to fruit sharing and kind of led to a lot of controversy around that in people claiming it’s a very unhealthy diet. Right. Eight, ten, ten.
01;20;11;24 – 01;20;28;15
Nathan Crane
It was like 80% carbohydrates, 10% protein, protein of fat. Right. Which led to kind of like the whole authoritarian thing. And then, you know, I think that went to an extreme. Are you doing the 8010 ten or is what you’re doing different than that?
01;20;29;06 – 01;20;44;02
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay. Good question. When I first started eating a lot the Doug Gram way, I was definitely eating eight and ten, and I was doing that for about 14 years and I was eating 8010 ten as a raw food eater, meaning no cooked anything.
01;20;44;12 – 01;21;05;11
Nathan Crane
Yep. I did that for a while. It’s hard. It’s hard, man, because the food, I mean, raw food diet is hard. And we did that for a year when my daughter was born. My wife and I did like 12 years ago, I was sent raw food for a year and we loved it, though it was like the cleanest I think my body had ever felt in my life.
01;21;05;11 – 01;21;23;26
Nathan Crane
Up to that point. It was like I looked at it like cleansing or detoxing for like a year straight. It was actually pretty amazing. I found it very hard to sustain and maintain after that. So we started doing cook food again, adding in beans and rice and quinoa and stuff like that. Still keeping lot of, you know, fresh vegetables and smoothies and juices.
01;21;23;26 – 01;21;31;27
Nathan Crane
But yeah, I found the raw food diet to be very healing and also limiting long.
01;21;31;27 – 01;21;35;21
Cyrus Khambatta
Term for sure. Yeah yeah, no question from a social perspective that.
01;21;35;21 – 01;21;37;19
Nathan Crane
So you did raw food for 14 years.
01;21;38;08 – 01;21;40;12
Cyrus Khambatta
At a rapid diet for 14 years and funny that’s.
01;21;40;12 – 01;21;46;03
Nathan Crane
That’s crazy. That’s the very peak. That’s a whole hat off to you, brother. That’s nuts.
01;21;46;20 – 01;22;03;17
Cyrus Khambatta
Well, thank you. I was actually introduced to Joel Furman, so I had read Joel Furman’s book Eat to Live back in 2012 or something like that. And then friends of mine introduced me to him. So I had a phone call with him probably around 2017 or so. And I just got to know him over the phone and we had a really good time talking with each other.
01;22;04;02 – 01;22;29;05
Cyrus Khambatta
And at that point, he had actually started to tell me that I could be improving the quality of the nutrient diversity of my diet and by by by lightly steaming non-starchy vegetables like cauliflower and broccoli and cabbage. And I was like, huh, I was not aware of this. So I did a little bit more research. And you know, with his recommendation, I said, okay, cool.
01;22;29;05 – 01;22;57;04
Cyrus Khambatta
Let’s just do this. So I started integrating a little bit more steamed vegetables and then steamed vegetables turn into some grains, turned into some squash, turned into some potatoes, and before I knew it, I was now eating 50%. My diet as cooked and 50% of my diet is wrong. Totally fine. But here’s the thing. Two things. Number one, I have not come across any research that demonstrates that doing that, eating more cooked fruits, vegetables, legumes and whole grains is problematic.
01;22;57;04 – 01;23;18;15
Cyrus Khambatta
From a chronic disease perspective. Okay? As long as the overall principle of eating a very plant, strong diet is maintained. Okay, So again, I’m eating still a 100% plant-based diet. I just happened to change the amount of cooked food versus raw food. And you know, now I’m at a 5050, it’s called that. But number two, my carbohydrate fat to protein ratio hasn’t changed.
01;23;18;27 – 01;23;43;17
Cyrus Khambatta
So I started out as an eight, ten, ten eater. Now I’m still eating eight, ten, ten by choice, 100% by choice. But what we do in the master diabetes method, what we wrote about our book, and what you know, 800 scientific references and beyond have all sort of pointed in the direction of is that if you can get your fat intake and your protein intake to somewhere between ten and 15% of your total calories, then you are maximizing your insulin sensitivity.
01;23;43;17 – 01;24;00;07
Cyrus Khambatta
And that translates to improved health in the long term and a significantly lower chronic disease risk. So my recommendation is actually, if you want to follow me, you want to follow, don’t do it. Go for it. No problem. But if you feel like that’s too restrictive, you were saying you want to be a little bit more loosey-goosey, totally fine.
01;24;00;15 – 01;24;21;03
Cyrus Khambatta
But just try and keep your total fat and total protein intake to each of them. Approximately 10 to 15% of your total diet. And then the rest of your diet come from whole carbohydrates that come from fruits, vegetables, legumes and whole grains. You’re going to be loving life. Your chronic disease risk is going to come down significantly. Your instant sensitivity is going to go very high.
01;24;21;12 – 01;24;24;05
Cyrus Khambatta
And as a result of that, you’re going to be maximizing your long-term health.
01;24;25;07 – 01;24;56;13
Nathan Crane
So what were your numbers on 1810? Raw food for 14 years? Because the fear is for people with diabetes, when having carbohydrates, my insulin use goes up exponentially. But you in fact have shown that the more carbohydrates you eat and the less fat you eat that your insulin use has gone significantly down. And I know you have people in the mastering diabetes community who you’ve replicated this with across the board.
01;24;56;13 – 01;25;15;06
Nathan Crane
So It’s not just you, you’re not some unique genetic specimen is working for it’s working for many people around the world. And what were your numbers like then? And then did they improve, change, stay the same when you added in more cooked food like legumes and beans and things like that? Do they stay the same? Do they change?
01;25;15;06 – 01;25;18;12
Nathan Crane
Do they improve? So give us a glimpse at your numbers.
01;25;19;02 – 01;25;44;03
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay, great. So as far as my A1C is concerned, because that’s the sort of three-month average blood glucose average glucose marker, that’s the number that all, you know, endocrinologists care about. That’s the number that most people use to track your risk. The development of diabetes. In an ideal world, your A1C would be less than 5.7% in order to remain in the Non-diabetic category.
01;25;44;19 – 01;26;07;25
Cyrus Khambatta
If your A1C is between 5.7 and 6.4, like it’s considered prediabetes and then 6.5 and higher is considered type two diabetes. When I transitioned to eating a raw food diet or a plant-based diet in 2003, my A1C was at the at worst, my A1C is like high sixes. It was like 6.7%, right? So that means if my glucose was elevated.
01;26;08;25 – 01;26;12;16
Nathan Crane
What was it on your kit on the ketogenic diet you were doing? Do you remember?
01;26;12;18 – 01;26;14;17
Cyrus Khambatta
That’s what it was. It was about 6.7%.
01;26;14;17 – 01;26;16;05
Nathan Crane
06.7 on keto. Okay.
01;26;16;14 – 01;26;29;16
Cyrus Khambatta
Correct. So 6.7. So it wasn’t terribly elevated, but it was definitely elevated and it went from about 6.7% all the way down to 5.7%. And that happened within the first year of living with or transitioning to a plant-based diet.
01;26;30;04 – 01;26;34;27
Nathan Crane
So that’s what’s considered a normal, healthy A1C. See 5.7 actually.
01;26;34;27 – 01;26;57;26
Cyrus Khambatta
Right. And then over the course of the next, you know, many years leading from like 2004 all the way to 2020 to where we are now, of course, the last 18 years my A1C has fluctuated between 5.3 and 5.7%, and it has not wavered. I mean, I’m talking about 18 years, 19 now, of living with an A1C between 5.3 and 5.7%.
01;26;58;28 – 01;27;02;22
Cyrus Khambatta
And it’s not going anywhere as far as I’m concerned. Okay.
01;27;02;25 – 01;27;04;12
Nathan Crane
So what’s your fasting glucose?
01;27;05;06 – 01;27;23;11
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay. My fasting blood glucose varies on a daily basis because it depends on how much activity I’ve performed. It depends on what I have for dinner the night before, blah, blah, blah, fasting. But glucose goes anywhere from 75, sometimes as high as about 120. Every once in a while my fasting blood glucose might be like 145 or something a little bit higher.
01;27;23;11 – 01;27;29;16
Cyrus Khambatta
That’s usually a, you know, a very small percentage of the time, but it’s somewhere usually between 75 and about 120.
01;27;29;16 – 01;27;32;08
Nathan Crane
And that’s and that’s a healthy range. That’s where you want to be.
01;27;32;28 – 01;27;59;00
Cyrus Khambatta
That’s absolutely right. That’s absolutely right. So clarification for people living with type one diabetes because we are responsible for injecting our own, We have to give ourselves just a little bit more error, a little bit more wiggle room, because if you’re too tight on your insulin usage and you over inject insulin, you can actually induce hypoglycemia, low blood glucose stress, straight up life-threatening.
01;27;59;06 – 01;28;20;13
Cyrus Khambatta
We don’t want to do that. So it’s actually the recommendation for people with type one is to be just a little bit like error on the side of caution and have higher blood glucose than lower blood glucose. And as a result of that, you know, having a fasting glucose of 120 versus the general recommendation for people who are non-diabetic to have a fascinating cost of less than 100 is totally 100% normal.
01;28;20;14 – 01;28;43;03
Cyrus Khambatta
It’s totally fine. Now here’s the kicker. When it came to my carbohydrate of fat to protein quantities, this is where things get a little bit interesting because I’m getting I’m telling you that my A1C was between 5.3 and 5.7 for the last 19 years. Okay. And I’m proud of that. I’m telling you that my lipids, my total cholesterol went from 142 down to 97.
01;28;44;16 – 01;29;04;02
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay, That’s total cholesterol. My LDL cholesterol went from being like in the mid-seventies, which is not that elevated now down to low fifties two. Okay. My HDL cholesterol has also fallen a little bit, which is very normal on a plant-based diet. And my HDL cholesterol is now somewhere in the mid-thirties. Okay. So it’s a little bit on low side, but that’s okay as long as your LDL cholesterol is low.
01;29;04;14 – 01;29;30;21
Cyrus Khambatta
So my lipids are 100% out of control. My triglyceride value is also in the fifties, which is also considered very, very highly normal. Okay, so lipid panel under control. Once under control, blood pressure has always been under control. Okay. The kicker here is that on a previous more low carbohydrate diet, the total amount of carbohydrates I used to eat on a daily basis was about 100 grams plus or minus a couple of grams here and there.
01;29;30;21 – 01;29;58;02
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay. So I was injecting 100 grams, I’m sorry, I was eating 100 grams of carbohydrates and I was injecting an average of 42 units of insulin per day. So if you do the ratio of carbohydrate to insulin, that’s again, that’s what I was saying earlier. That is the measure of insulin resistance. And if you look at it on a 24-hour basis, what you’ll find is that 100 divided by 42 is approximately two and a half.
01;29;59;21 – 01;30;08;10
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay. So 100 divided by 42 gives you two and a half. So you can call it your like insulin sensitivity index as it was a 2.5. That’s what it was back in the day. Yeah.
01;30;08;10 – 01;30;19;17
Nathan Crane
You’re using two and a half units of insulin per I mean you’re one unit of insulin is processing two and a half grams of carbohydrates.
01;30;19;17 – 01;30;34;10
Cyrus Khambatta
Nailed it. Absolutely nailed it Exactly right. Every two and a half grams of carbohydrates came in my mouth. Required one intervention. Yep. Good. Now, when we switch over to eating a plant-based diet, the numerator, the number of grams of carbohydrate goes from 100 to 700.
01;30;35;05 – 01;30;37;10
Nathan Crane
To seven times the amount of carbohydrates.
01;30;37;26 – 01;30;51;28
Cyrus Khambatta
Seven times. The amount of carbohydrates on average. Okay. The denominator, the number of minutes of insulin went from 42 units down to 28 units. So 700 divided by 28.
01;30;52;12 – 01;31;04;21
Nathan Crane
So about 40% less, but seven times more carbohydrates. So seven times 700% more carbohydrates. Anyway, let’s do the math there because.
01;31;05;11 – 01;31;05;28
Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah, so.
01;31;06;01 – 01;31;10;27
Nathan Crane
I don’t I can’t do that math in my head for you. Divide 20, which said 28 divided by seven.
01;31;10;28 – 01;31;31;05
Cyrus Khambatta
700 divided by 28 gives you 25. Okay. So effectively, I used to be able to eat 2.5 grams of carbohydrates per unit of insulin injected and now I eat 25 grams of carbohydrates per unit of insulin. So my insulin sensitivity text.
01;31;31;29 – 01;31;34;26
Nathan Crane
Ten X, okay. Yes, that’s the number. Yep. Ten next.
01;31;35;05 – 01;32;02;18
Cyrus Khambatta
Ten X. Yeah. So that’s the difference then what you were saying is true, right? I am literally a puppet. I am an end of one story. So we can’t make any general scientific conclusions about what happens inside of Cyrus’s body because I’m just one person. But again, if you look in the research and you take a look at peer-reviewed paper after peer-reviewed paper and you take a look at metabolic ward studies, you take a look at a study like what you call randomized controlled trials with, you know, 500 people.
01;32;02;18 – 01;32;45;19
Cyrus Khambatta
And then you take a look at epidemiological studies also that have like 5000 people, 9000 people. And you put all of this evidence together to try and, you know, create a story. The story is the same every single time. More fat and or more protein leads to higher fasting, blood glucose, higher agency values, higher lipid panels, higher risk for all-cause mortality, lower fat, lower protein, reduces chronic disease risk, reduces all these biomarkers, reduced day one, see fasting blood glucose, blood pressure, lipid panel, and reduces your risk for all-cause mortality.
01;32;45;19 – 01;33;07;26
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay, again, I’m just an end of one story, but what we’ve seen in our coaching program, working with more than 10,000 people, is the exact same pattern repeating over and over and over again. And people with type one pre-diabetes, type two diabetes, gestational diabetes, a type of high five diabetes. It’s a conserved mechanism and the research has paved the way.
01;33;08;13 – 01;33;12;12
Cyrus Khambatta
Our coaching program gives people the tools to be able to do it in their everyday life.
01;33;13;07 – 01;33;43;06
Nathan Crane
So how many people what percentage of people would you say through your guys’s program, let’s say with type two diabetes? Because. All right, let’s leave autoimmune aside for a second. Let’s talk about prediabetes, type two diabetes. These are primarily diet and lifestyle related. We know that today. How many people have you seen completely reverse any need for insulin or completely reverse their insulin resistance?
01;33;44;08 – 01;33;48;20
Nathan Crane
Let’s just say completely get off of external or exogenous insulin?
01;33;49;25 – 01;34;21;06
Cyrus Khambatta
Good question. People who have gotten off exogenous injuries. So we’re talking about people who are not autoimmune, people who are living with prediabetes or type two diabetes or gestational diabetes, who have been diet, who have been prescribed insulin to control their public. Yeah, truth be told, I don’t know the number. I stopped counting. I can’t count the number because then the number got quite large if I had to take a stab at it and I would say that, you know, we have a we’ve had a throughput of approximately 10,000 people come through our coaching program over the course.
01;34;21;06 – 01;34;53;04
Cyrus Khambatta
The last five years. The proportion of people that are using insulin is probably somewhere on the order of about 10% of those people. So we’re looking about 1000 people who have started with insulin, you know, started the program using insulin. My gut tells me that we probably are on the order of somewhere between 405 hundred people who have gotten off of insulin completely and the other 500 people call it have probably significantly reduced their insulin, their use of insulin over the course of time if they haven’t completely gotten off of it.
01;34;53;26 – 01;35;14;07
Nathan Crane
So what signifies what would you say? All right, someone’s diagnosed with type two diabetes and what needs to happen? What biomarkers do they need to have for them to then claim I no longer have type two diabetes? I have reversed type two diabetes.
01;35;15;10 – 01;35;40;27
Cyrus Khambatta
Great question. This concept is actually debated in the scientific. I’m very glad you brought it up because there are papers that claim that people aid a ketogenic diet and they quote unquote reversed type two diabetes. Right. And if you read the papers closely, what the papers actually demonstrate, there’s one company called Verna in particular, which is I actually know the CEO and he’s I consider him a friend of mine.
01;35;40;27 – 01;36;13;21
Cyrus Khambatta
But it’s also like the research is frustrating because they take people with type two diabetes who have an agency north of 6.5%, and they put them through their ketogenic protocol and then they claim that a certain percentage of them have reversed type two diabetes. If you read the fine print, the fine print tells you that their agency went from north of 6.5% to somewhere between 5.7 and 6.4%, which again, that just means that they went from type two diabetes to prediabetes.
01;36;13;21 – 01;36;40;11
Cyrus Khambatta
Technically speaking, they are still pre-diabetic. And secondarily, that what they they don’t allow these people to exist. They don’t measure them over the course of time. They basically say this group of people went through our coaching program. What do our you know, six-month protocol and their agency went from call it 6.9% to 6.1%.
01;36;40;24 – 01;37;10;06
Cyrus Khambatta
That’s a reversal, which is fundamentally wrong. And secondarily, this is the thing that just blows me out of the water. They claim that even if you’re still using metformin, that’s okay. You can still have technically diabetes but still be using metformin. And I’m like, are you kidding me? This is a blood glucose-lowering medication and you’re making the claim that you can still be using a blood glucose-lowering medication with an agency that’s in the pre-diabetic range.
01;37;10;06 – 01;37;29;12
Cyrus Khambatta
And technically speaking, you have quote unquote, reverse type two diabetes. I don’t I don’t buy it for a second. The truth is that if you had to ask me, how do you reverse type two diabetes, my answer is very simple. Number one cannot be on any blood glucose-lowering medications right off the bat. No oral medications, no insulin, okay.
01;37;29;26 – 01;37;39;08
Cyrus Khambatta
No zero pharmaceutical intervention in order to lower your blood glucose number to an agency of less than 5.7% for one year.
01;37;39;14 – 01;37;48;18
Nathan Crane
So you need to have 5.65.6 or below 5.7 doesn’t count 5.6 or below for one year, continuous.
01;37;49;06 – 01;37;59;05
Cyrus Khambatta
For one year continuously on zero blood glucose lowering medication. If you can do that, then you could technically claim that you have reversed two pre-diabetes.
01;37;59;21 – 01;38;01;11
Nathan Crane
Or type two diabetes for that matter.
01;38;01;27 – 01;38;30;28
Cyrus Khambatta
Or type two diabetes. Thank you. But anything less than that and what you’re demonstrating is that, yes, you can do something that’s going to lower your blood glucose and lower your agency, but you have to demonstrate that you can do this over the course of time. And if you can let at least one year pass with an agency that south of 5.7% and you can maintain and you can do it with zero pharmaceutical intervention, then that’s what I would consider to be a reversal.
01;38;31;05 – 01;38;33;25
Nathan Crane
And you would test that monthly or every three months or what?
01;38;34;13 – 01;38;36;02
Cyrus Khambatta
Every three months. So you got to get four tests.
01;38;36;06 – 01;38;51;27
Nathan Crane
So four tests throughout the year. A one, see. Yep. And but you’re saying so far to your knowledge, you don’t know anybody who has done that on a ketogenic diet has shown those basically that criteria for diabetes reversal.
01;38;52;24 – 01;38;55;19
Cyrus Khambatta
So I don’t know anybody personally that’s done that.
01;38;56;03 – 01;38;57;18
Nathan Crane
Or any research that’s shown it.
01;38;58;11 – 01;39;28;17
Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah. So the research is actually there’s very little research that studies the effect of the ketogenic diet over the course of time. There are definitely some papers, but there are not large numbers of paper nor large numbers of papers, nor do those papers have a large number of people in them. And so if you take a look at the isolated handful of papers that demonstrate the effect of a ketogenic diet over a course of one year, two years or five years, what you’ll see is that there’s a general reduction in blood glucose and a general reduction in insulin use, and that’s okay.
01;39;28;17 – 01;39;50;08
Cyrus Khambatta
But at the end of the one-year period or two year period or five-year period, the patients in this intervention groups are not meeting the criteria that I just told you. They’re not south of 5.7% of their agency and they are not free of oral glucose of excuse me, lowering medication. And so they’re basically failing two of the tests that I think are absolutely required.
01;39;50;22 – 01;39;58;27
Cyrus Khambatta
And as a result of that, in my opinion, from a scientific perspective claiming that they have reversed type two diabetes is just as is inaccurate.
01;40;00;23 – 01;40;19;12
Nathan Crane
Got it. So we’ve got kind of a criteria now, and I like that, like having a high bar, high standard for criteria for going to say, hey, I reversed X disease, you know, what does that mean in cancer? Unfortunately today, the bar is incredibly low to say I’m a cancer survivor.
01;40;19;27 – 01;40;21;02
Cyrus Khambatta
So what is the definition?
01;40;21;10 – 01;40;45;03
Nathan Crane
Yeah, so the definition of a cancer survivor is you. You’re diagnosed with cancer on January 1st year, 2000. You’re still alive January 2nd in 2005. So you have lived five years with cancer. Does it matter if you’ve destroyed your quality of life and just destroyed your immune system and caused three other autoimmune diseases in the process? But you have lived five years.
01;40;45;03 – 01;41;17;05
Nathan Crane
So the big push in the medical, conventional medical oncological community is, hey, let’s improve cancer. Well, it sounds nice. And a lot of nonprofits that are trying to raise money to find the cure and to improve, you know, and they say we’ve improved cancer survivorship, but the five-year survival rate over the years, it’s getting better. What people don’t and that sounds nice and it sounds like a lofty, you know, a caring thing to do and certainly want people to live longer with cancer.
01;41;18;21 – 01;41;43;13
Nathan Crane
The problem is that they don’t care at all what happens to your quality of life, to your health, to your immune system, your hair falling out, the radiation that destroys your body, the constant chronic pain that you’re none of that matters when it comes to looking at your overall quality of life. So that’s the problem. So I’m a cancer survivor.
01;41;43;13 – 01;42;05;15
Nathan Crane
That’s wonderful. I’ve lived past five years. If you die on day two after five years, you’re still a cancer. This was a cancer survivor in our statistics. Look, we improved cancer survivorship by 25% with all these new drugs and radiation and chemotherapy like this new drug, we just improved by 42%. The cancer survivorship past five years. And that’s.
01;42;05;15 – 01;42;30;25
Nathan Crane
And that’s how they do it. They don’t at all share with you what else happened to that person, how they may have now become insulin resistant because they’ve continued living the way they were living. They now have type two diabetes. You know, the number one cause of death for somebody with cancer is not cancer. The number one cause of death for somebody with cancer is heart, heart disease or heart attack.
01;42;30;25 – 01;42;32;29
Nathan Crane
Heart failure.
01;42;32;29 – 01;42;39;12
Cyrus Khambatta
So which is ironic, actually, because the number one cause of death for people living with diabetes is heart disease. Same thing.
01;42;39;17 – 01;43;06;04
Nathan Crane
So when we’re talking about, you know, what are these underlying causes and conditions of these chronic diseases, cancer, diabetes, heart disease, they all have very similar, if not identical causes. And that’s the thing is when we get to the root cause of these diseases, we can not only prevent these diseases from ever happening, but empower our bodies to heal from them.
01;43;06;09 – 01;43;29;28
Nathan Crane
And I know many people have done that. You know, many people have done that both, you know, with diabetes, with cancer, as well as heart disease. So I think we need a higher standards set, a higher bar, especially for cancer, you know, cancer survivorship, That’s one thing now to say, yes, I cured cancer. You know, I reverse cancer.
01;43;30;09 – 01;43;58;03
Nathan Crane
They basically let’s say, you had a three-millimeter tumor, for example, three-centimeter tumor, and they removed the tumor and they cleared the margins and they go back and a PET scan or an MRI and there’s no more tumor. They say, okay, you’re cancer free. We’ve cured your cancer. And then they claim that for whatever drugs they used, whatever surgery they use, whatever radiation, we had a cancer cure over here.
01;43;59;26 – 01;44;45;18
Nathan Crane
Now, the problem is, is cancer. That comes back a second time or a third time. And very often cancer comes back with a vengeance. And it happens to so many people because they don’t get to the underlying root cause of cancer. They don’t realize that cancer is not some invading enemy I need to take out of me. But in fact it is a biological dysfunction, primarily due to diet and lifestyle that leads to genetic mutations, DNA damage, mitochondrial dysfunction, and dying off to the point where the cell starts to ferment to stay alive.
01;44;45;23 – 01;45;13;21
Nathan Crane
So there are not enough mitochondria left in the cell and they’ve been damaged. The DNA damaged, chronic inflammation, diet and lifestyle through toxins, through chemicals, through carcinogens, through sudden tourism, you name it, the cell starts to ferment as a survival mechanism. This is my theory that I have actually ran by some of the top researchers and scientists in cancer today, and they agree with this.
01;45;14;13 – 01;45;36;14
Nathan Crane
Some of them have told me they haven’t exactly thought about it that way. But before I said it to them, I say, absolutely, I agree with that that that’s that makes perfect sense. Where I see cancer is it is your body, your cell trying to survive, to keep you alive. And we know that our bodies are doing everything they can to survive, to keep us alive.
01;45;36;18 – 01;46;14;15
Nathan Crane
Right, all the time. Our bodies are regenerating, you know, Apoptosis is healthy cell death. It’s the cells dying when they need to so they don’t become cancerous so that our body can generate new cells and replace old cells. Autophagy is the process where our body is cleaning up cellular waste and recycling it. You know if you are out in an experience in life where it’s a life or death situation, your intuition, your inclination is to survive.
01;46;14;19 – 01;46;38;09
Nathan Crane
You see a child, you know, in a car and you hear stories of a mother literally lifting up a car to save the child. It’s like her body was designed in her mind. Emotions, body, and neurochemicals were clearly designed to save that child. We can do miraculous things through, you know, the sympathetic nervous system, the fight or flight or even freeze, fight flight or freeze to keep us alive.
01;46;38;09 – 01;47;17;04
Nathan Crane
And so I look at cells, cancer cells, it just wants to stay alive. But through the chronic fermentation process because of the damage, it’s very inefficient and uses tremendous amounts of glucose to replicate. And this is where things get kind of confusing and tricky and people are confused about this because they kind of group all glucose into one bucket and they say glucose from studies with high fructose corn syrup, highly processed glucose is the same as glucose from eating a banana is the same thing.
01;47;17;04 – 01;47;54;14
Nathan Crane
All glucose is bad for you, just like you were told about diabetes. All carbohydrates which have glucose are bad for you. People are told with cancer, avoid all glucose because it’s all bad for you when in fact a tremendous amount of research shows that glucose in foods like fruits and vegetables and berries and healthy carbohydrates, real food, legumes, soybeans, lentils, peas, that that that glucose does not necessarily even though cancer will eat that glucose.
01;47;55;07 – 01;48;39;04
Nathan Crane
There are so many other benefits that you get from eating those foods that it actually helps to increase apoptosis in cancer cells. It helps to decrease angiogenesis, which is the vascular the creation of new blood cells so that cancer can thrive, helping to decrease inflammation. And chronic inflammation is one of the underlying causes of cancer. So all of these foods that people end up avoiding because they think they’re going to make the cancer, you know, proliferate, actually have the minerals, the vitamins, the anti-cancer properties that your body needs to help fight the cancer.
01;48;39;04 – 01;48;51;08
Nathan Crane
So when it’s like I see it as throwing the baby out with the bath water, you look at one molecule and say, this is the culprit, but you forgot about all the other aspects of that particular food that your body actually needs.
01;48;52;13 – 01;49;17;26
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay. So on that note, I love this topic because you just nailed it on the head. The way that I think about whole food that comes from the natural world is that all the food that we eat is a three-dimensional matrix. Okay? We’re not eating isolated. We’re not eating fructose and medium chain triglyceride and casein No, no, no, no.
01;49;17;26 – 01;49;50;10
Cyrus Khambatta
We Are eating a three-dimensional matrix of of nutrients that all combine together into one thing that we refer to as a mango or thousands of nutrients that combine together to be called a kidney bean. Okay. So the way that I look at it is that every food contains nine classes of nutrients, including carbohydrates, fat, protein, vitamins, minerals, fiber, water, antioxidants and phytochemicals.
01;49;50;21 – 01;50;25;03
Cyrus Khambatta
I’ll say that again, carbohydrates, fat, and protein, are the three macronutrients. And then in addition to that, we have micronutrients, vitamins, fiber, water, antioxidants and phytochemicals. And the combination of all of these nine classes of nutrients which have thousands of different identities combined together to create a banana or quinoa or soybeans, it’s very the combinations of nutrients are different for every single food.
01;50;25;03 – 01;50;49;19
Cyrus Khambatta
They’re different for every single part of. The plant, it’s different for the stock than it is for the bean than it is for the pod. It’s different. But the point is that when you’re putting when you’re eating whole food, you have to take into account the fact that there’s a complex combination of nutrients that. All have different metabolic roles.
01;50;49;25 – 01;51;20;01
Cyrus Khambatta
Some of them are going to be utilized for energy. That’s the carbohydrate fat, the protein. You actually generate ATP from those molecules, the vitamins, fiber, water, antioxidants and phytochemicals do not generate ATP. They can’t instead, they are micronutrients that are used for disease, fighting for the disease, fighting properties the phytochemicals in particular are a group of nutrients that have very, very powerful anti-disease properties.
01;51;20;23 – 01;51;42;06
Cyrus Khambatta
And these types of chemicals can lower your blood pressure, they can lower your cholesterol, they can lower your A1C value, they can lower your blood glucose, they can stimulate your pancreas to secrete more insulin. They can significantly reduce inflammation inside of your liver and inside of your kidneys and inside of your vasculature. And that right there.
01;51;42;09 – 01;52;06;17
Cyrus Khambatta
And some of them even have antitumor effects. Right. So I 100% agree with you. When I get as frustrated as you do when people lump all things that contain glucose into one boat and throw the baby out with the bathwater and forget that along with glucose inside of a banana comes a whole bunch of other really powerful disease-fighting material.
01;52;07;07 – 01;52;38;13
Nathan Crane
So you’ve basically, you know, proven through your own personal life. I mean, 19 years of doing this as well as through, you know, many other people through your Mastering diabetes program that, you know, the high carbohydrate approach works for diabetes. You can lower insulin usage, you can reduce insulin resistance, so you can increase insulin sensitivity, you can get off of insulin.
01;52;38;14 – 01;53;10;16
Nathan Crane
Right. Obviously, you know, you’re not saying you guarantee this for everybody all the time, but you’ve shown that it is duplicated. Well, in many different people. Now, what about what happens when you eat a high-fat diet when you’re on a high-carbohydrate diet? Because it true that if you eat a high if you if you add some large amounts of fat in your diet, let’s say let’s say you’re still on a plant-based diet, but you eat a bunch of nuts or seeds or some seed oils or something that which you’re not recommending seed oils to anybody.
01;53;10;16 – 01;53;34;00
Nathan Crane
But let’s say you do that, doesn’t that increase your insulin need when that happens? And so isn’t that just the opposite of someone who’s on a ketogenic diet that adds glucose in 75 grams of glucose and then their insulin needs increase dramatically? Or explain that to me because I’m actually really curious about that.
01;53;34;14 – 01;53;35;13
Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah, this is this is.
01;53;36;15 – 01;53;58;08
Cyrus Khambatta
Is a great subject of research because there’s actually some very powerful research that demonstrates exactly what you’re talking about, which is suppose you’re eating a, you know, low-fat diet and then you eat one meal, one meal that contains a significant amount of protein and or a significant amount of fat. What happens in the subsequent 12 hours to specifically glucose insulin?
01;53;58;25 – 01;54;30;22
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay. And we’re going to come at it from the perspective of glucose and insulin, because we’re talking about diabetes and blood glucose control. And as this body of research demonstrates that one single meal can create a state of what’s called delayed onset postprandial hypoglycemia and delayed onset postprandial hyperinsulinemia long, long words. Delayed onset means for the first 3 hours of eating a meal that contains let’s separate them.
01;54;30;22 – 01;55;04;17
Cyrus Khambatta
Let’s do protein only if you consume a single meal that contains more than 28 grams of protein. Okay. What ends up happening is that for the first 3 hours, your blood glucose response is very normal. Both your blood glucose and insulin are the response is very quote-unquote normal. And you know, nothing is abnormal at the three-hour marker is when your blood glucose will start to increase and continue to increase and continue to increase and continue to increase on a diagonal line moving upwards.
01;55;05;04 – 01;55;35;13
Cyrus Khambatta
So your glucose actually begins to elevate after the three-hour marker, which is again, what it’s called delayed onset, postprandial, meaning after you eat hypoglycemia, which is high blood glucose. And then to compensate for that, your pancreas will then secrete more insulin to try and bring your blood glucose down or. If you’re injecting insulin. In the case of people with type one diabetes, your insulin requirements will start to increase and you’re going to have to inject more insulin as your blood glucose is climbing in order to bring about glucose back down.
01;55;36;12 – 01;56;09;02
Cyrus Khambatta
So this body of research, I was actually just doing a whole review on this literature not too long ago. And what the researchers have found is that number one, protein-rich meals cause delayed onset, postprandial hypoglycemia and insulin and number two, fat does the same thing. Foods that are high in fat caused the same process. And number three, that when you add a meal that contains both protein and fat simultaneously, that the results are additive.
01;56;10;21 – 01;56;44;12
Cyrus Khambatta
And this is really powerful information because just like you were saying, it’s kind of the opposite of what we were describing earlier, But the effect is so prominent and so measurable within such a short period of time that multiple research groups have demonstrated the exact same effect and they’ve replicated one another’s results. And now this is considered a very strong body of research that the Type one community is starting to pay attention to because they’re recognizing that you have to take into account more than just carbohydrates when first figuring out how much insulin to inject for a given meal.
01;56;45;09 – 01;56;50;10
Nathan Crane
So that those studies were done on a high-carbohydrate diet.
01;56;51;00 – 01;56;51;18
Cyrus Khambatta
Or.
01;56;51;21 – 01;56;53;28
Nathan Crane
What were they eating.
01;56;53;28 – 01;57;16;01
Cyrus Khambatta
So those studies were done. You mean like what was the baseline diet of the individuals before them? Yeah. So it was not they were not eating a high carbohydrate diet prior. They were eating a, you know, quote-unquote standard diet that contained a medium amount of carbohydrate energy with a medium amount of fat and a medium amount of protein.
01;57;16;15 – 01;57;34;11
Cyrus Khambatta
What they did was they increased the fat and protein fat and or protein content for a single meal. And They were trying to determine what is the independent effect of an increase in fat and or protein intake at those meals and order to get a better picture of what’s actually happening in the Post-Meal state.
01;57;35;04 – 01;57;57;19
Nathan Crane
So and so what? So you’re on a high carbohydrate diet and people mastering diabetes, community, high carbohydrate, low fat, low protein. You’re obviously I mean, you’re fit, you do CrossFit, you’re building muscle. You don’t seem to have any issues with building muscle on, a low-protein diet, or do you?
01;57;57;19 – 01;58;21;18
Cyrus Khambatta
Not at all. Not at all. Not at all. So I used to think when I first started this process that it was going to be very challenging for me to, you know, grow muscle, gain muscle gain, gain mass. And what I learned in a very short period of time is that what you eat matters. But how hard you work in the gym matters more.
01;58;22;00 – 01;58;47;14
Cyrus Khambatta
MM Right. So if you go to the gym and you are performing exercise, which is not hypertrophic doesn’t induce hypertrophy as you know, inside and out, okay? You’re not going to be creating the stimulus for muscle tissue to grow. You’re not going to be creating the stimulus for what’s called net muscle protein synthesis after the workout is over.
01;58;47;27 – 01;59;19;27
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay. So good examples of that. You can go running on a treadmill, you can go do bodyweight resistance exercises that these are all good for you, don’t get me wrong, But they’re not creating signals within your muscle that are literally neurological signals that signal up to your brain make me bigger. And so only when you create that state of hypertrophy by lifting heavier amounts of weight or by performing specific types of exercises that increase the load on your musculature that then create this signals neurological signaling inside of your brain to make your muscles larger.
01;59;19;27 – 01;59;44;16
Cyrus Khambatta
Only then do you stand a chance of actually increasing your muscle mass. Okay, so number one, you have to induce hypertrophy. Number two, when you have induced hypertrophy in, the next question is can you consume the right distribution of nutrients in order to help your muscle tissue now grow? Okay. Can you consume enough carbohydrates? Can you consume enough fat?
01;59;44;16 – 02;00;04;25
Cyrus Khambatta
Can you consume enough protein and get the right quality of those nutrients in order for your muscle tissue to. So when you induce hypertrophy, yes, of course, your muscle tissue is going to require more amino acids. The amino acids come from protein, and that’s going to be required in order to stimulate net muscle protein synthesis after your workout.
02;00;05;28 – 02;00;31;11
Cyrus Khambatta
But in addition to that, your muscles are also going to require a significantly increased amount of glucose. And people always forget this and people think, Oh, all I need when I, when I eat a meal in a post-workout state is protein, protein, protein. And the answer is no, you definitely need protein, but you also require carbohydrate because the carbohydrate breaks down and the glucose and the glucose actually goes to gets imported into your muscle tissue and stored as glycogen.
02;00;31;11 – 02;00;50;02
Cyrus Khambatta
And glycogen is a fuel tank that’s used for short higher intensity, short-duration movements. So you definitely need more amino acids for protein and definitely more glucose from carbohydrates. And the combination of the two of those is absolutely necessary. The third question to ask yourself is, well, if I’m eating a plant-based diet, can I get enough?
02;00;50;02 – 02;01;13;11
Cyrus Khambatta
Can I get enough glucose? We know the answer to that is yes, because food supply-based world tend to be high in carbohydrate. The question is number two, can I get enough protein? And the answer is abso freakin lutely. Okay. Absolutely. Now, there’s a lot of you know, there’s a lot of questions in world of exercise physiology as to how much protein do you really require and the metric that a lot of people have been using.
02;01;13;11 – 02;01;36;27
Cyrus Khambatta
You and I’ve talked about this a thousand times offline, which is how many grams of protein are you eating? Kilogram, body weight. So it’s a gram per kilogram calculation. And the recommendations are I’ve seen as low as 0.8 grams per kilogram body weight and north of two grams per kilogram body weight. Okay. So what I have known what I have.
02;01;36;27 – 02;02;07;13
Nathan Crane
Which is people who don’t know people, people don’t know the kilogram it’s 2.2 is the ratio to well that’s to a pound but basically, it’s roughly like half a gram per pound of body weight to roughly one gram per pound of body weight. So to make it easy, if you’re a £100 person and this is not exact, I just I round it down and up slightly so people don’t understand this very clearly.
02;02;07;13 – 02;02;27;27
Nathan Crane
If you’re a £1 person, it’s roughly 50 grams of protein per day up to, you know, 100 grams and sometimes more 1.2 grams. Right. So 120 grams of protein per day, which is a lot is a lot of protein to try and consume in one day, which you would have to be you wouldn’t have to be on a ketogenic diet.
02;02;27;27 – 02;02;50;14
Nathan Crane
You just have to get actually, not at all. I can get it. I can get a 1.2 on a plant-based diet. I can get a 1.2 grams per pound in a day. I just don’t like to get that much protein. I don’t think I need it. I think it’s a little excessive, you know, in my athletic goals are, you know, getting stronger, you know, building more muscle, being a stronger Olympic weightlifter, stronger CrossFit, etc..
02;02;50;14 – 02;03;02;13
Nathan Crane
So I generally lean towards more protein. And if I’m mindful about it, I can get it. You know, it’s actually not that hard. I thought it was really hard at first. I was like, Oh, it’s actually pretty easy. So.
02;03;02;15 – 02;03;05;15
Cyrus Khambatta
So. So you tell me, let’s do a quick calculation on you. How much do you weigh?
02;03;06;19 – 02;03;20;22
Nathan Crane
Right now I am I’ve just been on a weight gain diet since May and I’ve added £13 in six months, seven months. So right, I’m at 210, £210.90, roughly like 96 kilos, I think.
02;03;21;24 – 02;03;23;22
Cyrus Khambatta
So £210 of pure steel.
02;03;23;29 – 02;03;35;04
Nathan Crane
Pure steel, baby. I got a little you know, when you add that much weight that fast, you got a little a couple of love handles, but it’s all good. It’s long. It’s a long-term gain. I am in it for the term.
02;03;35;23 – 02;03;40;02
Cyrus Khambatta
That’s right. As long as you can lift heavy objects, it’s okay. It has a lot of polish. It comes along with it.
02;03;40;12 – 02;03;41;19
Nathan Crane
It’s good stuff. So it’s fun.
02;03;42;10 – 02;03;47;28
Cyrus Khambatta
So you’re £210 and you’re saying that on average per day you eat how many grams per pound?
02;03;48;12 – 02;04;09;27
Nathan Crane
So I don’t track all the time. Once in a while I will track macros for a few weeks at a time. While this recent one, because of the weight gain I had to track and I tracked for like three or four months to get an idea. And that I was doing about a gram per day, I mean a gram per pound.
02;04;09;27 – 02;04;28;01
Nathan Crane
So I was, I was doing, I was trying to get about 200 grams of protein per day at around, you know, because I weighed like £200 197 when I started. Now I think I average, like I said, I just track once in a while to kind of see where I’m with my meals and stuff. I probably average on the low end.
02;04;28;01 – 02;04;34;11
Nathan Crane
Some days I might get as low as like 130 grams. Some days I’ll get up to 200 grams.
02;04;35;11 – 02;04;45;24
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay, So this is actually really important because I know on a bad day for you, on a low day, you’re eating 130 grams, even though you weigh £210. So basically, I see the calculation of that 130.
02;04;45;28 – 02;05;07;15
Nathan Crane
But you got to remember, I’m eating to gain weight for me, like you would call me a hard gainer. I guess I, I have to eat like 4500 calories or more per day to gain weight slowly because of how physically active I am, how high my metabolism is, how much I sauna, ice baths do all these things. So like, that’s not even that much of a percent.
02;05;07;15 – 02;05;09;04
Nathan Crane
But go ahead, do the math. You’re going to do.
02;05;09;25 – 02;05;41;17
Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah. Okay. This is great, actually. So you’re basically a 130 grams divided by 210. So like, on a bad day, you’re basically eating 2.62 grams per pound. Know body weight. Okay, .62 grams per pound. Okay. On a good day for me. Okay, I would eat so I weigh £165 and on a good day I will eat 110 grams of protein.
02;05;41;17 – 02;05;44;09
Cyrus Khambatta
I’m at 0.66 on on a very good.
02;05;44;09 – 02;05;47;01
Nathan Crane
Day on your high on a high protein day for you.
02;05;47;02 – 02;05;57;13
Cyrus Khambatta
On a high protein day. Exactly. And usually, my protein intake is lower than that. So usually I’m eating somewhere on the order of about 90 grams of protein per day. So I’m like at a .54.
02;05;57;13 – 02;06;12;28
Nathan Crane
So yeah. And you’re I mean, you’re really lean, right? You’re probably last time I saw you, 7% body fat, maybe 6%, 5%, 4%, 3%.
02;06;12;28 – 02;06;13;12
Cyrus Khambatta
Point.
02;06;13;13 – 02;06;37;02
Nathan Crane
Holy shit. That’s really ridiculous. That’s super low. I mean, that’s why your abs are popping like, I’m probably closer to like 15% right now. 14% once I went on this weight-gaining diet but it’ll it’ll eventually convert to muscle it takes quite a while for fat to convert to muscle when you’re bulking and when you’re gaining but so you’re super lean.
02;06;37;14 – 02;07;02;27
Nathan Crane
You’ve got just I mean, incredible, you know, muscular skeletal muscle. And I guess the question would be, could you add £20 to your frame of pure muscle and be very strong with that? You know, could somebody in your could you get up to like £200 while still on that low of protein? I guess that’d be the question.
02;07;03;18 – 02;07;05;00
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay. On on that low and.
02;07;05;00 – 02;07;18;01
Nathan Crane
I’d be curious. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously, it would take years to add £30 of pure muscle. It would take years of hard work. Yeah. Really. I’m just curious if you could do it at that low of a percentage of protein, you know, I don’t know. I don’t know. That’s a.
02;07;18;01 – 02;07;33;16
Cyrus Khambatta
Good question. As far as the percentage of protein, I think the answer is No, I think I would definitely have to increase the percentage of protein in my diet. So, you know, right now, if I’m hovering around like a point five, five grams per pound, I probably have to increase it north of like point eight. But that would be the first change that I would make.
02;07;33;27 – 02;07;36;08
Nathan Crane
And what percentage would the calorie intake that.
02;07;37;20 – 02;08;00;15
Cyrus Khambatta
I’d have to eat, I’d have to eat more calories per day. I’m sorry. Say you’re eating five calories per day. I’m eating 3200 calories per day. I’m also only £165. So literally there’s a £40 difference between the two of us. And that means you have to eat more calories than I do. Yep. Right. So the point being is that I would have to probably increase my calorie intake from 3200 calories per day to probably north of 4000 calories per day, just like you.
02;08;00;15 – 02;08;25;18
Cyrus Khambatta
More calories, higher proportion of my diet is protein, no question. And one of the things that Mark Holstein taught me back in the day is that when you gain, there’s no such thing as gaining weight and gaining 100% muscle. It’s impossible. Biologically, you can’t do it right. So what you what’s going to happen is that when you gain weight, you’re likely if you if you’re doing it from exercise-related activities, you’re likely going to gain two-thirds of that in muscle and one-third of that in fat.
02;08;25;24 – 02;08;37;29
Nathan Crane
And there’s some waterway in there. There’s some waterway in there as well, because your muscle stores more water and so forth. So yeah, it’s a water-fat muscle, but two-thirds, you’re saying two-thirds muscle, one-third fat.
02;08;38;22 – 02;09;02;00
Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah. So somewhere this proportion. So Right. We’re looking at like you know, fat and basically non-fat tissue and then water of course. So let’s just call it, you know, 60% of my weight gain would be due to muscle, right. And then the remainder would either be fat or water. So the point being is that if I were to put on, you know, £20, then I’d only be putting on approximately £12 of muscle.
02;09;02;18 – 02;09;22;11
Cyrus Khambatta
Right. So it’s doable. It’s doable. To answer your question, the answer is yeah, that you from a mathematical perspective, we can make it work. It’s going to take time. It’s going to take calories, it’s going to take a lot of protein. But I could certainly get there. But here’s the thing that I have to take into consideration as we talked about earlier eating more protein increases, insulin requirements.
02;09;22;19 – 02;09;22;25
Cyrus Khambatta
Yep.
02;09;23;01 – 02;09;24;20
Nathan Crane
And eating more and two. Right.
02;09;25;29 – 02;09;45;26
Cyrus Khambatta
And eating more fat, too. Exactly. And that’s necessarily a bad thing. It’s not a bad thing, but I have to be very aware of that because in the process of gaining weight and in the process of adding more muscle mass, I also want to be controlling my blood glucose with precision. And so if I’m going to do that, then I’m going to have to increase the amount of insulin I’m injecting at mealtime.
02;09;46;04 – 02;09;58;04
Cyrus Khambatta
I’m going to have to increase the amount of basal insulin I have in the background. And as long as I do it systematically and slowly and control my blood glucose at all times, then there really should be no problem.
02;09;58;04 – 02;10;19;06
Nathan Crane
So when right now when you eat, if you add in, you know, a bunch of fat into a meal, you’re going to see your insulin requirements pretty much skyrocket after 3 hours, right? Because you’re at a roughly not 8010, are you at roughly you’re still roughly around 8010 ten.
02;10;19;13 – 02;10;20;26
Cyrus Khambatta
I’m still about eight at that. Correct.
02;10;21;25 – 02;10;37;10
Nathan Crane
So you have 10% fat. You have some fat. You have what are the fats that you’re eating on a day-to-day basis or what? I mean, you know, a lot of beans have a little bit of fat. You know, a lot of the foods you’re eating have fat in them already. But yeah, what are your gut-healthy sources of fat that you’re getting?
02;10;37;29 – 02;10;56;05
Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah. So most of the fact that they consume generally comes from legumes. So I tend to be a chickpea freak. Mm-hmm. So I do some on chickpeas. I see pinto beans, kidney beans, you name it. And so a decent amount of fat is coming from those bad boys. I get when I say a decent amount, I mean most of the fat that I’m consuming comes from there.
02;10;57;12 – 02;11;16;16
Cyrus Khambatta
The rest of the food that I eat literally comes from potatoes and fruits and non-starchy vegetables. And they all have some fat, but they don’t really have that much. And so the combination of those foods ends up keeping my total fat intake low. I don’t really eat that many nuts and seeds. I’ll have some every so often. No problem.
02;11;16;28 – 02;11;36;05
Cyrus Khambatta
I’ll have some oatmeal every once in a while. Oatmeal tends to have this amount of fat. It. I don’t really eat avocados that much. I don’t really like avocados. I’m not eating coconuts. I’m not doing any oil. And so, you know, I am definitely very low in my total fat intake. And 10% is, you know, a good estimation for how much I’m getting on a daily basis.
02;11;37;14 – 02;12;10;03
Nathan Crane
Now, what about like someone like Paul Saladino, who you and I have talked about, who promotes? Well, he started out promoting the carnivore diet. And over time, he eventually realized he made some mistakes and realized that carbohydrates from fruit, from honey, from berries, are actually very healthy for you. What you have learned and have been talking about for years, what I have learned, I’ve been talking about for years, these carbohydrates are not bad for you.
02;12;10;03 – 02;12;43;06
Nathan Crane
In fact, they are incredibly healthy for you and you need them. So while he drove, who knows how many hundreds of thousands of people down the path of Carnivore, he now calls himself more animal-based, which is he still eats a lot of meat, butter or yeah, butter and bone marrow organs. You know, he claims that a diet high in animal fat and animal protein combined with carbohydrates.
02;12;43;06 – 02;12;53;00
Nathan Crane
I think he does about 100 last time I heard 120 grams of carbohydrates a day mostly through honey and fruit and things like that. Papaya, I think, is still in Costa Rica. Pie magazines, honey?
02;12;53;01 – 02;12;53;08
Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah.
02;12;53;16 – 02;13;16;14
Nathan Crane
Papaya mangoes and honey, which I love as well. I love papayas, mango and honey. Papayas I like. I wouldn’t say I love them, but I love mangoes. I love honey. These things are very healthy for you. But he’s still leaning more toward the ketogenic side. I would say he’s getting a much larger percentage of his macros from fat and protein.
02;13;16;27 – 02;13;43;21
Nathan Crane
He claims that because he’s eating these pasture-raised grass and a lot of people are claiming this as well because it’s pasture-raised as grass-fed, it’s not processed and pumped with hormones that. This is the way we’re supposed to eat, you know, the Paleolithic period, the paleo diet, this is the way we’re supposed to eat, which posted a high protein, high fat with some carbohydrates.
02;13;43;29 – 02;13;51;23
Nathan Crane
But it’s the reason that he claims he’s so healthy and other people are healthy. Following his methods now is because of the.
02;13;52;24 – 02;13;52;29
Cyrus Khambatta
The.
02;13;52;29 – 02;14;21;02
Nathan Crane
Closer to nature approach, which I agree with everything, the closer we can get to nature, the better. The less processed, the fewer seed oils, the less packaged foods, the more whole foods, the more real foods, the more organically grown foods. All these things we’re very much in alignment with. I’m very much in line with those philosophies. The thing that I don’t quite believe yet and haven’t been convinced of yet is the high animal products.
02;14;21;02 – 02;14;37;16
Nathan Crane
Even if it’s pasture-raised, even if it’s grass-fed, even if it’s organic, etc., that is the healthier way to go. And so I but I’m open to it and I’m looking for the research and I follow him because I don’t want to be closed-minded about these things. I want to understand I think he’s a smart guy and I want to understand where he’s coming from.
02;14;37;16 – 02;14;56;28
Nathan Crane
I have done some videos, basically, you know, where he has come out and completely lied about things. And so I’ve done some videos on that and said, Hey, these things are lies. Whether, you know, maybe he did it intentionally, maybe he didn’t where he was saying plants don’t have certain nutrients that animal products do and they don’t have these, these and these.
02;14;56;28 – 02;15;18;05
Nathan Crane
And so I did a video that said, actually, in fact, here’s plants that do have nutrients, here’s these here’s the amino acids that create them in our body, etc., etc.. So you know, there is some some questions there in what he really knows and what he’s talking about. Like I said, I think he’s a smart guy. I haven’t had a chance to meet him or talk with him, but I wonder what your thoughts are on that carnivore or let’s say more.
02;15;18;20 – 02;15;37;05
Nathan Crane
Let’s forget Carnivore for a moment, because that basically fits in with ketogenic for the most part. Let’s talk about his approach, which is the animal based approach with the carbohydrates added in. And let’s talk about this specifically diabetes, because he says that does not cause diabetes and that can actually heal diabetes. I believe he said that.
02;15;38;04 – 02;15;46;03
Cyrus Khambatta
Okay. I mean, I have a lot to say about salads. You know, I actually did a debate with him because we both released our book on the exact same day, February.
02;15;46;03 – 02;16;10;04
Nathan Crane
I watched it. And anybody who doesn’t watch it needs to go watch it. Like I love you, the brilliance that you have with biology and physiology. And I’m like, I had no idea like how unbelief affably intelligent and well-versed you are in biology at such a profound level. And like, I don’t understand half of what he’s saying, but it’s incredible.
02;16;10;04 – 02;16;32;07
Cyrus Khambatta
It’s funny. I appreciate you saying that because after the interview I was just like that. Like I felt like I didn’t do a good job. So you say that actually makes me feel better. But there was I remember walking away from that interview thinking to myself, wow, like, there’s a lot of there it felt to me like there was a lot of manipulation happening inside of that.
02;16;32;07 – 02;16;53;28
Cyrus Khambatta
That conversation. And the manipulation is something that I think may or may not be conscious. But I do believe that people who are very intelligent Pasadena’s a ridiculously intelligent human being, ridiculously intelligent, almost so intelligent that he knows how to manipulate situations to his advantage. And so he manipulates to his advantages to his advantage. He manipulates the display of information to his advantage.
02;16;54;07 – 02;17;15;11
Cyrus Khambatta
And he’s a master of taking complex arguments. He does the exact opposite of what we do all the time. We are talking about Don’t focus on one particular nutrient. Zoom out and take a look at the whole food. He does the exact opposite and he zooms in and he says, Where are you getting your carnitine from? Where are you getting your new GC from?
02;17;15;17 – 02;17;33;02
Cyrus Khambatta
Right? And he focuses on isolated nutrients and makes you believe that if you don’t get those nutrients in abundance, then you are missing out and you’re going to it’s going to lead to some kind of nutrient deficiency down the road and, then that’s going to cause a metabolic disease, right? So it’s I think it’s a form of manipulation of information.
02;17;33;02 – 02;18;01;20
Cyrus Khambatta
And that’s just like my own personal opinion. Now, I have seen the same story unfold over and over and over and over and over again in the influencer world. I’m going to put him into the role of influencer because that’s what he is. He’s also a doctor. There are lots of influencers on social media that start out with a very specific methodology, and they say, I am 100% carnivore or I am 100% paleo and I this is exactly what I do and this is why I do it.
02;18;01;26 – 02;18;23;02
Cyrus Khambatta
And then over the course of a year or two years or three years, all of a sudden their philosophy changes. All of a sudden they start to integrate more plant-based foods into their diet and all of a sudden they come up with these reasons for, Oh, well, the reason I’m putting this in is because berries are actually very low glycemic and low consumer carbohydrates are very important for your brain functioning, yada, yada, yada.
02;18;23;02 – 02;18;51;01
Cyrus Khambatta
And they invent these reasons to start putting in the very foods that we’re talking about and we’ve been talking about from the get go. So you see a lot of these people who start out very heavily animal focused and they become more plant-focused over the course of time and they evolve towards a place where they’re not as animal focused and they integrate more papayas and bananas and honey and berries and mangoes into their diet.
02;18;51;10 – 02;19;09;25
Cyrus Khambatta
I mean, I literally saw a video with Paul Saladino holding a spear inside of his kitchen. He’s like, This is how a real man eats. And he was pointing at red meat and white meat and burgers and testicles. And then, you know, many different types of meat that he was eating on a daily basis. I’m talking of pounds of meat.
02;19;09;25 – 02;19;23;29
Cyrus Khambatta
And then he got to his fruit section. He says I have one or two papayas a day. I have three mangoes a day. I have a little bit of honey per day and I was like, that is new. You never used to do that. And you used to talk ill about people like me and you who have advocated that from the get-go.
02;19;23;29 – 02;19;50;18
Cyrus Khambatta
So something is inside of your head. Something’s changing inside of your story, and that is suspect to me. Now, I would counter that and I would say if you take a look at a wide variety of people who come from the plant-based world, yourself included, me included Dr. Furman included the Share XYZ. Dr. Ornish, Dr. Michael Greger, Dr. Alan Goldhammer, Ocean Robbins.
02;19;50;18 – 02;20;12;00
Cyrus Khambatta
You know, like the people who are really advocating on behalf of a plant-based diet, what are the chances that this group of individuals, any one of those people that I just mentioned or any of the other advocates are going to do the exact opposite and increase their intake of meat or organ meat or dairy products over the course of time.
02;20;12;08 – 02;20;20;01
Cyrus Khambatta
What are the chances that five years in the future we take a look at Dean Ornish and he’s now eating meat. Give me a percentage chance of that happens.
02;20;21;00 – 02;20;44;25
Nathan Crane
Yeah. If I were to take a guess, knowing Dean, having interviewed him or read his books because of the research he’s done in literally reversing heart disease and other chronic diseases on a plant-based diet and healthy lifestyle changes, I think you know, I would never say 0% because I don’t know. I would say a 1% to 5% chance think it would be 0%.
02;20;44;25 – 02;20;50;11
Nathan Crane
But, you know, I can never claim anything to be 100% or 0% one way or the other.
02;20;51;09 – 02;20;52;01
Cyrus Khambatta
But it would be small.
02;20;52;05 – 02;20;53;19
Nathan Crane
It would be very small.
02;20;54;08 – 02;21;13;03
Cyrus Khambatta
Exactly right. And I would agree with you. Right. I’m speculating here. I’m one person speculating. But I think the chances of me integrating meat and or dairy products into my diet sometime in the next five years is as close to zero as possible. I think for you, the chances of you integrating meat and or dairy products into your diet is as well.
02;21;13;10 – 02;21;33;29
Nathan Crane
I grew up on meat and potatoes, right? I grew up hunting and fishing in Montana. I mean, I grew up with that. It’s you need milk, drink milk, you need meat, you need you know, we shoot our own deer and we’d catch our own fish. And, you know, we did that a few times as teenagers. And so, you know, I grew up with the same thing most people do is you need meat and you need milk to be healthy.
02;21;34;21 – 02;22;02;23
Nathan Crane
But when I was very unhealthy at from 18, 19, 20, very sick and started learning about health, watching some documentaries, started experimenting with cleansing and fasting at like 20 years old, 21 years old, started experimenting with, you know, adding more whole foods and plant foods and then continued researching and learning more. I eventually to the point was like, I just red meat is not an okay thing for me to eat.
02;22;02;23 – 02;22;24;15
Nathan Crane
I started learning about sustainability and how these factory farms were just terrible for the animals, for the planet, for the environment. Right. They’re just feeding them so much corn and GMO corn and, you know, of cows together in one little spot and just seeing all that. And then the health ramifications, I was like, okay, I need to stop red meat.
02;22;24;16 – 02;22;38;19
Nathan Crane
And then from red meat, I think it was a month two. I was like, All right, you know what? I’m just feeling better eating more plants and beans and things like that. It was like, I’m going to I’m going to stop chicken as well. And so I eventually stopped eating chicken. Last thing I still eating was some fish and some sushi.
02;22;39;12 – 02;23;05;23
Nathan Crane
And eventually, I got to the point where I think I went out and had sushi one night and I just got really sick and I’d been like cleaning my body a lot with cleansing and eating more whole plant foods. And so that was the last time I said, You know what? That’s the last straw. I’m done with all animal products at every stop dairy before that, because even Paul Saladino and any real health expert today, for the most part, says dairy is not good for you.
02;23;05;23 – 02;23;21;11
Nathan Crane
But I think he does promote like raw milk now. I mean, if you look at all the studies on casein protein from milk and if you look at, you know, the milk, this purchase today, I mean, we’re not going to go down that rabbit hole that maybe we do that in another conversation, you know, the different types of milk.
02;23;21;11 – 02;23;42;01
Nathan Crane
And is it cooked as a homogenized as a process or is it raw it from a goat? From the studies I’ve seen, it doesn’t matter if it’s cows, milk or goat’s milk. You know, what’s happening is it’s increasing IGF one and it’s can cause a whole host of problems. So, you know, I already cut out dairy. So then by that point, I was like, all right, we’re eating a totally plant-based diet.
02;23;42;01 – 02;23;59;20
Nathan Crane
And then that’s when we found raw food went down the wrong food path. But it was primarily for health reasons initially, because I just kept feeling better and better and better and learning more and researching more and meeting talking to doctors and people healing diseases. And I went down that deep rabbit hole. And it’s like when I learn something, I experiment with myself.
02;23;59;20 – 02;24;15;10
Nathan Crane
I’m like my own laboratory, right? Correct. And then I learn more and then I reinforce and experiment with new things. So so I got to the point now where it’s like I’ve been on a completely plant-based diet. I’ve had a few eggs here and there over the last 12 years when we raised our own chickens and stuff like that.
02;24;15;10 – 02;24;44;19
Nathan Crane
But I have not had milk, dairy or any kind of meat, fish, chicken, beef, pork, any kind of meat in since 2000 and probably since my daughter was born. So it would have been 2010. I think it was the last time I had any animal product other than a few eggs here and there. Over the years I’ve been off eggs for like the last three or four years.
02;24;44;19 – 02;25;03;10
Nathan Crane
I think last time when I was just like, Oh, it tasted discussing, I just didn’t want it anymore. So I was like, I don’t need that. But the odds of me, you know, adding in animal products into my diet again are slim to none because I feel amazing. I’m getting stronger every single year. I have tons of energy.
02;25;03;10 – 02;25;21;29
Nathan Crane
I feel great digestive issues have healed. You know, I just it’s like, why? Why would I? I don’t need it. There’s nothing about it that intrigues me. And in fact, I’ve developed of a compassion and love for animals. So I’m like, why would I have animals killed so I can eat them when I can get all the nutrients I need from plants?
02;25;21;29 – 02;25;46;19
Nathan Crane
Like I just for me, like I don’t care if people eat meat, I don’t care what people eat, animals I don’t like, it doesn’t bother me. I don’t judge them. They can eat whatever they want. But what I do for myself and what I learn, I really want to share it with others are, you know, not that they don’t have health for themselves if they’re struggling with what they’re currently doing and they’re looking for a path or an approach for health and, healing and vitality and energy, then I say, Hey, try this.
02;25;46;19 – 02;25;53;11
Nathan Crane
You know, see if this works for you, because it’s worked for me and it’s worked for literally thousands of thousands of thousands of other people.
02;25;53;11 – 02;26;19;05
Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah, exactly. So you just proved my point. Exactly. Which is that the chances of many of the advocates in the plant-based world like yourself, myself and beyond integrating more animal foods into our diets in the future is way, way, way, way lower than the chances of the people from the ketogenic community or the carnivore community integrating more plants into their diet.
02;26;19;20 – 02;26;41;06
Cyrus Khambatta
The chances of them integrating more plants into their diet over the course of time is much, much higher. And the reason for that is that I think that these individuals, they evolve over the course of time into recognizing the true value of eating whole foods, and a lot of them actually experience their own health-related issues that come along with the ride.
02;26;41;06 – 02;27;15;18
Cyrus Khambatta
When you eating effectively zero plant material and that can affect any number of organs, it can affect your brain, it can affect your colon, it can affect your liver, it can affect your kidney. And they undergo some combination of metabolic problems. And then they evolve towards a diet that incorporates more plant material. Right. And so another thing, if we go way, way, way back to the beginning of this conversation, you talked about the fact that, you know, when you were going through your own personal transformation, you had this idea that, like, these people are liars, right?
02;27;15;18 – 02;27;34;14
Cyrus Khambatta
Like, I don’t I don’t believe my parents. I don’t believe that their education, their drug abuse, resistance, education, because they’re telling me that drugs are bad for me. And when I smoke one hit of weed or if I have a little bit of alcohol, I feel great. You guys don’t know what you’re talking about, right? Psychology happens in this world of nutrition.
02;27;34;15 – 02;27;51;18
Cyrus Khambatta
The same psychology is at play with Saladino. Okay. He made a post on Instagram a couple of years ago that he took down very quickly, and the Post literally demonstrated that he just got his lipid panel back and his LDL cholesterol was through the roof. I don’t even remember what the number was, but his LDL cholesterol was extremely high.
02;27;52;04 – 02;28;22;16
Cyrus Khambatta
And his what he wrote on the post was, I don’t have heart disease, I am okay, I am safe. And even though my LDL cholesterol is high from a clinical perspective because I don’t have heart disease, I’m safe. The clinical world is lying to you. Right? That was his conclusion. Like these people are liars. They should rewrite the standards for what is considered a high cholesterol value.
02;28;22;17 – 02;28;45;25
Cyrus Khambatta
Right. And I think he got a lot of hate from that. And he ended up taking that post down. So it no longer exists on the Internet. But the point here is that even he has claimed and demonstrated to the world that his biomarkers are not within the accepted range that the American College of Cardiology has created has a1c value.
02;28;45;25 – 02;29;12;00
Cyrus Khambatta
I don’t even know what it is, but I would not be surprised if it was elevated. And I’m sure that there are a number of biomarkers that could be out of whack in his particular situation or in the situation of many other influencers in this carnival world. And it’s those elevated biomarkers that translate into health concerns that then translate into them changing their philosophy and moving towards our philosophy.
02;29;12;07 – 02;29;32;06
Cyrus Khambatta
But people like us, we feel like we have the right answer right. We feel like we stumbled across the correct answer and the correct. It may not be 100% correct for every single human being, but it is pretty darn correct. And as a result of that, we don’t waver. I don’t need to wait. You don’t need a waiver.
02;29;32;16 – 02;29;43;04
Cyrus Khambatta
Dr. Michael Gregor doesn’t need a waiver firm and doesn’t need a waiver. None of us, because we have a very, very, very good answer to short-term and long-term metabolic health.
02;29;44;17 – 02;30;03;21
Nathan Crane
So to his defense, I don’t know if this is true, but I’ve seen posted that his A1C was like 4.8 or something. I have not verified that. But he’s saying it’s very low and this was within the last couple of years. So I don’t know what it would be today. And like I said, I don’t know if that’s accurate.
02;30;04;05 – 02;30;33;08
Nathan Crane
Also, to his defense, he has gone on since that Instagram post you talked about and has theorized and used science to try and back up his theory that LDL cholesterol doesn’t matter as much as we’ve been led to believe. So, again, don’t know how accurate that is. I have not dug deep into that. He does seem to believe that LDL only.
02;30;33;08 – 02;30;45;12
Nathan Crane
I believe this is accurate. Correct I don’t know if you know or not that LDL only matters if you are metabolically unhealthy. I believe that’s what he says. If your metabolic increases. Yeah.
02;30;47;13 – 02;30;55;23
Nathan Crane
Yeah. If you if your metabolic measurements are unhealthy, then that’s when LDL matters. It doesn’t matter.
02;30;56;12 – 02;30;56;27
Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah, I mean.
02;30;57;03 – 02;30;58;00
Nathan Crane
That’s what said it’s good.
02;30;58;00 – 02;31;01;13
Cyrus Khambatta
Opinion, but it is fundamentally incorrect from a biological perspective. But go ahead.
02;31;02;15 – 02;31;03;23
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s all I was going to say.
02;31;04;06 – 02;31;26;13
Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah. Yeah, exactly right. So it’s like, you know, in the same way that we were talking earlier about, you know, some scientists, you know, in inventing what’s the reversal criteria for type two diabetes and literally just inventing their own science. And then, you know, individuals like him who are saying, you know, we need to re redo the criteria for LDL and inventing their own branch of science it doesn’t really hold up.
02;31;26;13 – 02;31;54;06
Cyrus Khambatta
I mean, I’ve actually read the articles on LDL cholesterol and there are meta analyzes that have studied more than 1 million and participants. That’s a lot of people over the course of time, more than 1 million. And they have shown without a shadow of a doubt that the higher there is a central role for LDL particles in the initiation of heart disease, the more LDL you have in your blood, the higher concentration in your blood, the higher risk for disease, period.
02;31;54;06 – 02;32;12;28
Cyrus Khambatta
End of story. There’s no refuting this in any way, shape or form. Right? There’s a lot of genetic variation from individual to individual. But in general, the more LDL that’s present inside of your blood, the higher your risk for heart disease. And then there’s also what’s called the Head Start equation, which is from, you know, the early 1960s, which, you know, scientist Dr. Halstead.
02;32;12;28 – 02;32;33;18
Cyrus Khambatta
He demonstrated that the more saturated fat you eat, the higher your cholesterol value goes. And he actually developed a mathematical equation that says if you eat this much triglyceride and sorry, this much-saturated fat, then I can predict that your cholesterol level will go up by this much. And to this day, nobody can refute the fact that equation.
02;32;33;18 – 02;32;46;02
Cyrus Khambatta
It has not been refuted and it’s been over 50 years since he invented it. So for somebody to come out and say, oh, you know, LDL does not cause heart disease, the answer is, thank you for your opinion. That is not scientifically accurate.
02;32;47;07 – 02;32;53;05
Nathan Crane
Interesting. Well, brother, we’ve been at it for over a couple of hours now.
02;32;53;29 – 02;32;54;21
Cyrus Khambatta
We’re just getting started.
02;32;54;21 – 02;32;58;27
Nathan Crane
Let me just get what we’re going to have. We’re going to have to do a part two for sure.
02;33;00;11 – 02;33;11;26
Nathan Crane
For sure. For sure. We could talk about some point in the near future. That was in your book, Mastering Diabetes, your coaching program. People get in touch with you, your team, you know, what’s the best place for them to go?
02;33;11;26 – 02;33;29;11
Cyrus Khambatta
Yeah, for sure. Thank you. Just go to mastering diabetes dot org. It’s just that simple. Go to matching abuse dot org. That is the gateway to learning about anything that you want. We have a coaching program where if you’re living with any form of diabetes, we can help you reverse insulin resistance and get away from, you know, increased pharmaceutical medication.
02;33;29;22 – 02;33;47;06
Cyrus Khambatta
We can help you attain your body weight permanently. We can help you get rid of, you know, lower your A-1, lower your blood pressure, lower cholesterol, period, end of story. We’ve demonstrated a thousand times over and there are some very, very exciting improvements that are happening for us as a business that I am not allowed to talk about right now.
02;33;47;06 – 02;34;04;23
Cyrus Khambatta
But one day I will be able to talk about them. The point being is if you want to get involved in a coaching program, then that’s the place to start. If you also like reading books, just go to Amazon, type in Amazon diabetes and pick up the book. It became a New York Times bestseller back in 2020. It has over 11 scientific references.
02;34;04;23 – 02;34;16;18
Cyrus Khambatta
It’s got meal plans, it’s got recipes, it’s got all the information you ever want to know. And, you know, I’d love for you to read it and leave us a review. Even if you hate the book, leave us a crappy review it is totally fine. I just want to know what you heard, that’s all. I want to know what you felt.
02;34;17;14 – 02;34;21;13
Nathan Crane
That’s awesome. I really appreciate you so much, man. This is epic. Thank you, dude.
02;34;21;26 – 02;34;22;15
Cyrus Khambatta
Thank you, my man.
02;34;22;26 – 02;34;25;19
Nathan Crane
All right, Take care.