In today’s podcast, we sit down with Bill Buvens. In March, 2001, Bill was diagnosed with stage 4 colon and liver cancer and was told by doctors he’d be dead within six (6) months if he didn’t comply with the doctors’ recommendations of surgery, chemotherapy and possibly radiation. Doctors went on to say that even if Bill did comply, the chances of him surviving five (5) years were still less than 20%.
Bill decided to research the metabolic cause(s) of cancer and in doing so was able to formulate and implement a protocol to avoid chemotherapy and radiation and has remained cancer-free since 2001.
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Audio Transcript
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00:00:37:21 – 00:00:50:04
Nathan Crane
Welcome to the podcast, everybody. I’m so excited to have Bill Bevins here with us to share his incredibly inspiring cancer-healing journey. Bill, welcome to the podcast.
00:00:50:22 – 00:00:56:04
Bill Buvens
Welcome. Nathan. It’s great to be here. I’ve studied you from afar, and it’s great to meet you sincerely.
00:00:57:00 – 00:01:22:05
Nathan Crane
Yeah, thank you. I thought I heard a little bit about your story through a mutual friend and colleague and or someone who interviewed you a little while ago, and I thought, You know what I got? I got to reach out to Bill, get him on the podcast, and, you know, I’d love to really dive deep into, you know, your journey with cancer and help inspire other people who are struggling with cancer.
00:01:22:05 – 00:01:32:24
Nathan Crane
So, yeah, talk a little bit about your cancer diagnosis. When was that and what was the diagnosis and what was the prognosis?
00:01:34:10 – 00:02:03:24
Bill Buvens
Okay. Well, the diagnosis was stage four colon and liver cancer. The prognosis was, if I don’t follow the doctor’s advice, I’ll be dead within six months. And if I do follow, all their advice and their remedies, the chances of me surviving five years still less than 20%. That was 2001. So that was 21 years ago. Actually, almost 22 years ago now.
00:02:04:13 – 00:02:12:08
Nathan Crane
So let’s say that again. If you follow the doctor’s advice, which I’m assuming was chemotherapy, radiation surgery, also.
00:02:12:19 – 00:02:15:17
Bill Buvens
Surgery, chemotherapy and possibly radiation.
00:02:15:17 – 00:02:17:03
Nathan Crane
You had a tumor in your colon.
00:02:17:13 – 00:02:18:17
Bill Buvens
I had a tumor in my.
00:02:18:18 – 00:02:23:19
Nathan Crane
And it was stage four means it was metastasized as well. Lymph nodes, other organs or.
00:02:23:21 – 00:02:24:12
Bill Buvens
And liver.
00:02:24:21 – 00:02:26:13
Nathan Crane
And liver. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
00:02:26:16 – 00:02:34:10
Bill Buvens
So yeah, yeah. So but yeah so that’s that was the diagnosis. That was six, six months.
00:02:34:10 – 00:02:37:14
Nathan Crane
If you do what they recommend.
00:02:37:22 – 00:02:42:05
Bill Buvens
If you do nothing, if I do nothing and I won’t survive six months and.
00:02:42:06 – 00:02:45:20
Nathan Crane
20% chance to live five years.
00:02:45:20 – 00:02:47:06
Bill Buvens
Less than 20% chance.
00:02:47:16 – 00:02:50:04
Nathan Crane
If you do surgery, chemotherapy.
00:02:50:04 – 00:02:58:17
Bill Buvens
Everything they could, they could recommend still less than 20% survival in five years because I did my own research stage four colon liver cancer is less than 20% five year survival.
00:02:59:04 – 00:03:01:20
Nathan Crane
Did they tell you that or did you have to research that on your own?
00:03:02:08 – 00:03:17:23
Bill Buvens
Well, they told me, but I researched it because, you know, trust but verify or, you know, I just divulged your life or my life. I’m extremely careful. I’m extremely diligent because I don’t take anything for granted.
00:03:18:07 – 00:03:31:23
Nathan Crane
So it’s 2001. And I mean, what was your man what was what was your thoughts in that moment? What was your what were you feeling? What was the experience like to be told? This is devastating news.
00:03:32:12 – 00:03:49:17
Bill Buvens
Well, no one wakes up in the morning expecting to hear those words. You have cancer. No one. I mean, I can’t imagine somebody waking up in the night. You know what? Today I’m things I want to experience today, being diagnosed with cancer. It’s not on anybody’s list. As Mike Tyson says, everyone’s got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
00:03:50:12 – 00:04:18:23
Bill Buvens
And that’s a punch in the mouth. And I Yeah, but I took it sort of numbly because. Okay. But because first my mother had cancer when she was when I was very young, cancer was not in my family very much was more cardiovascular with my family. And but I had friends who had died from cancer, who had cancer.
00:04:18:23 – 00:04:50:06
Bill Buvens
And and the first reaction was cancer. Me, Cancer. That’s that’s the other person. That’s not me. And when I was growing up, I was always a great athlete and I could exercise, I could run. I was the fastest in the short. I could run long distances and I didn’t really have a any challenge with my body. But I was I’ll go back a little bit leading up to that, if you don’t mind, Nathan, because it’ll let you know more.
00:04:50:06 – 00:05:14:16
Bill Buvens
The state I was in and and everything, I, I was feeling very tired all of a sudden because I was getting stressed. I was no longer exercising. My diet was changing. I’d started my own business and things weren’t going the way I had. As great as I’d hoped. They weren’t going badly, but I wasn’t taking various various situations as perhaps as detached as I should have.
00:05:14:16 – 00:05:37:02
Bill Buvens
And and when sometimes people to balance out stress, they eat certain things, comfort food, whatever you want to call it. And my sleep wasn’t as good. And I started noticing all of a sudden I wasn’t exercising anymore. I started noticing I was I would walk up one flight of stairs at my house. I’d have to lay down on my bed in my bedroom, and I thought, ignorantly, how do I let myself get out of such poor?
00:05:37:06 – 00:05:57:18
Bill Buvens
How do I look? How do I get in such poor condition? I mean, I can’t believe this. So I said, Well, I got I had my bicycle. So I hopped on my bicycle and started writing here in the Texas Hill country. I started up a hill. I started feeling faint, and I actually collapsed over into the ditch. And I was actually actually sedated, unconscious for a moment.
00:05:58:04 – 00:06:01:03
Bill Buvens
How old were you? I was 49 years old.
00:06:01:13 – 00:06:06:03
Nathan Crane
So 49. And this was around 2001 or shortly before before your diagnosis?
00:06:06:08 – 00:06:10:14
Bill Buvens
This was February 2001 three, 2001.
00:06:10:16 – 00:06:13:05
Nathan Crane
Got on your bike and fainted. You just didn’t have.
00:06:13:17 – 00:06:46:12
Bill Buvens
I collapsed in the ditch. I collapsed in the ditch. And I just I didn’t know what it was. But after dark, I’ll leave ignorantly again. I just thought, how did I let my body get in such poor condition? Anything wrong with my body never entered my consciousness. It just again, it. It didn’t. And I had not gone to the doctor in years and I actually had to lay in the ditch holding my finger up because cars were stopping, asking if I was okay.
00:06:46:19 – 00:07:02:15
Bill Buvens
So finally, after about 30 minutes, coasted back down the hill, walked my bike home, and I said, I’ve got to I’m going to go going to start running that I can’t ride my bike. And I had the same experience running. I collapsed, but I said, I’m a start walking. So I started walking and eventually I decided to start playing golf.
00:07:03:10 – 00:07:28:24
Bill Buvens
I started to walking because I couldn’t run and ride my bike and eventually started to play golf so I could walk the golf course carrying my golf bag and like many, like, I believe that we are basically first and foremost spiritual beings. And I rely on that very heavily intuition, insights I get. I hold a lot of truth in that, and I follow that whenever I can.
00:07:29:09 – 00:07:38:07
Nathan Crane
Did you have that belief? Did you have that strong kind of sense of a spiritual being your whole life, or did this come more after the diagnosis?
00:07:38:13 – 00:08:02:23
Bill Buvens
That’s a great question. When I was 18 years old or 17, 18 years old, between my senior year in high school to college, I started meditating. I would meditate for two 6 hours a day all that summer. It just felt like the thing to do. And I remember when I remember when I showed up at the University of Texas, I didn’t know what major I wanted to be.
00:08:02:23 – 00:08:27:06
Bill Buvens
So I picture majors and I didn’t have one. And one guy said, Hey, I’m going to go to the philosophy department. This is philosophy. Yeah, I’ll go check that out. So I went in and the chairman of the department stood in because the the philosophy undergrad person who was supposed to give us orientation was that there are so the chairman of the department sat him with four of us in his office.
00:08:27:23 – 00:08:57:09
Bill Buvens
And at that point I was so happy. I was so happy. And it was I know it was because I was just doing this meditation and we started talking. And I remember I just held myself one on one with this guy, he having all the knowledge but me. But my point was, look, then I said, you know, I’ll become a philosophy major and I have always had a spiritual bent and yoga and various types of yoga.
00:08:57:09 – 00:09:23:09
Bill Buvens
There’s a yoga called Sword. It’s also one thing I also studied was also Sanskrit, Hindi and Urdu, the languages of the Indian subcontinent subcontinent, because I also not only was a to Western philosophy, a Western philosophers, but also Eastern philosophy and the Indian philosophy. And you know, what having to do with reincarnation and these type of things, which I, I had experience of my life that I knew didn’t come from experiences in this life.
00:09:23:19 – 00:09:29:04
Bill Buvens
Hmm. I’m not, you know, that’s somebody can believe what they want. That’s just that’s not my Oh.
00:09:29:22 – 00:09:53:22
Nathan Crane
I was talking with someone about that the other day. Actually. I was you know, I’ve been heavily involved in in many spiritual and religious traditions, more from an open mind, an open heart to to understand them, to to know why people believe they way the way they do and pray or meditate. And the way they do, and where these philosophies and traditions and spiritual practices come from.
00:09:53:22 – 00:10:14:06
Nathan Crane
And so I actually got invited to a Bible study group the other night and I went with, you know, primarily Christians and sat and talked about the Bible and, you know, any tradition that that teaches a spiritual practice I think is worth our time and energy and openness to to explore it and understand it and with an open mind.
00:10:14:06 – 00:10:31:15
Nathan Crane
And certainly in those situations, you’re not always going to find people who have such an open mind. You know, oftentimes those situation, you find people that it’s this way or the highway, but I don’t mind being around people like that for a short period of time. Too much of that. And I can be like, All right, I got to go.
00:10:31:20 – 00:11:17:16
Nathan Crane
But, you know, I like to have conversations and ask questions and have debates and learn. And I have you know, I’ve been that way for a long time. Also, like you, we were just talking a little bit ago about this kind of affinity towards Native Americans and the Native American culture. And I spent a lot of time over the past, you know, 15 plus years in sacred ceremony with different indigenous tribes and, you know, native American ceremonies and teepee ceremonies and team scouts and sweat lodges and, you know, deep prayer and Sundance experience and, you know, incredible spiritual experiences and what I what I wanted to to bring up about that what you were just
00:11:17:16 – 00:11:47:10
Nathan Crane
saying about having this kind of affinity towards, you know, Eastern traditions and this kind of belief in reincarnation or past lives. One of the one of the young guys that the Bible study asked me, he said, you know, what do you what do you think happens when you when you die? I was like, well, you know, I, I really don’t believe that any one of us would go to hell and burn for the rest of our lives.
00:11:47:10 – 00:12:07:11
Nathan Crane
It’s not a belief that I can accept. You know, if you’re trying to live a good life and be a good person and do good things, there’s there’s just no way in my mind that an all loving, caring, generous, compassionate, benevolent God would send you to hell to burn in misery and pain and suffering for the rest of your life because you made a few mistakes.
00:12:07:17 – 00:12:36:04
Nathan Crane
Like, I just don’t see that as something that even makes any sense whatsoever. So I don’t believe that. And I also, you know, I can’t be close, so close minded to believe that maybe there is such a thing as reincarnation. Maybe our souls do come back into another body. There are many examples, even of young kids talking about past lives that they had, knowing every single detail of who they were and what happened and how they died and all this stuff.
00:12:36:04 – 00:12:59:16
Nathan Crane
And parents freaked out because it’s like this kid had never been exposed to any of that story everywhere. And in fact, that person story is so like unknown. But when they researched it and found out every detail was exactly accurate, it’s like it it really makes you think, well, maybe some of these ancient traditions of reincarnation, you know, are possible.
00:12:59:16 – 00:13:12:08
Nathan Crane
I can’t rule that out. Who am I to rule that out? Right. So back to what you were just saying. You said you had some experience with maybe even past lives. What what were those experiences? What are you talking about?
00:13:12:15 – 00:13:43:05
Bill Buvens
Well, let’s just say. Well, I probably wouldn’t want to get into that too much, if you don’t mind. It’s more of an affinity. For example, when I was very young, about three or four years old, my father had to tell me this. I didn’t remember at the time he would have a room. The living room would be full of all their friends, and I was known as Billy.
00:13:43:11 – 00:14:03:03
Bill Buvens
Billy, come in here and do stomp, dance, do stomp, dance. And they would all be in a circle and I would get I would get in in the middle of them all. And I would start to sort of start this, I guess you could look at. It was like an Indian dance. But but my father called it Stomp Dance because I was stomping around.
00:14:03:03 – 00:14:19:20
Bill Buvens
They were all laughing, all that. And then we took a trip to New Mexico, to Albuquerque, where there is you know, there’s a lot of Native Americans there. And I was five years old and I just started hanging out with the Indians and I said, Daddy, I want one of these things. And it was a it was the headdress.
00:14:19:20 – 00:14:40:11
Bill Buvens
And all of this, just things like that. But to me, it’s more important. It’s not about past lives is what can you gather to do to have greater experiences and be happy and be more loving and be more successful in this life? Yeah, because anything we can bring forth to this life, to me, because that’s the key we’re in this life to learn.
00:14:41:04 – 00:15:02:07
Bill Buvens
That’s that’s my take. And I agree with you. I don’t have this rendition of the hell you go to and you make the mistakes and you’re burned. I, I don’t think that’s true personally, but because I had this spiritual bent as I was taught to play golf, I was walking the golf course. I heard this little inner voice.
00:15:02:18 – 00:15:21:16
Bill Buvens
I was on the 14th hole and I went to the 15th hole. It was a very long par five for those that don’t know golf, par five is long. It was very straight. I can see two guys way up in front just about to go to the green. And this little voice said, Go catch those guys. Normally I would have been hitting the drive and going down, but so I just followed my inner voice.
00:15:21:16 – 00:15:39:03
Bill Buvens
I carried my golf clubs, walked down the course, and I was it was very hard for me to do because it was hard to keep my breath because I still was, I thought, in horrible condition. And when I finally got to the green on the 15th, they’d walked over to six. So I yelled over to them. I said, Hey, guys, you mind if I play in with you?
00:15:39:14 – 00:15:54:22
Bill Buvens
I said, Sure, come on over. So they waited for me and we hit our drives on 16 and then we 17 was another long par five dogleg left. And that was very long for me. And we got to 18th, which is the last hole. We hit our drives and I started walking and I said, Hey guys, I’m so sorry.
00:15:54:22 – 00:16:11:07
Bill Buvens
I’m completely wiped. I can’t keep up with you guys. I’m going to you guys go ahead and finish. It’s been great. I appreciate you guys have me along for this this time. And they said, okay. And I sat down on the on the fairway because I was so tired. When I finally got up, I could see they motioned me up.
00:16:11:07 – 00:16:27:05
Bill Buvens
They would wait in for me. And I, I hit my hit, my approach shot. And we we waited for them. We all put it out. And then when I went over to shake one guy’s hand, he came up to me and he said I was a medic in Nam. I’m looking at you. You’ve got a problem with your liver.
00:16:27:12 – 00:16:48:03
Bill Buvens
You need to go to the doctor. And it was like, Where did that come from? That was the first moment, Nathan I ever thought, maybe there’s something really going on inside my body. And I did not have health insurance at the time, and I knew that if I went to the doctor, at least I in, I was something serious was discovered.
00:16:48:21 – 00:17:16:01
Bill Buvens
I may have a hard time getting insurance because that may be considered a preexisting condition. So I didn’t say anything to anybody. I got insurance the best I could for catastrophic. And then I scheduled myself with a physical with a with a doctor not far from my house. And I went and did the physical. And then I came home about 30 minutes after I got home, the phone rang and it’s the doctors nurse and she said, well, she she made sure I was on the phone.
00:17:16:01 – 00:17:35:13
Bill Buvens
And she says, well, the doctors just looked at some of your tests. And he’s very concerned and he’s scheduled an appointment for you in the morning with a gastroenterologist. And I said, Well, test the what test? She said, It’s actually your blood test. I had to keep pulling it out of her. What about my blood test? She said, it’s her hemoglobin.
00:17:35:13 – 00:17:56:22
Bill Buvens
It’s 5.7. And of course, I didn’t know anything about blood test. I didn’t know what I knew hemoglobin had to do with maybe red blood. 5.7 could have been 100 or 2000 or one. I have no idea. So she faxed over. Back then there was fax machine. She faxed over my blood test and I could see that the normal for adult male was 13 to 17.
00:17:56:22 – 00:18:21:10
Bill Buvens
So at 5.7 I’d lost about two thirds of the hemoglobin in my body, and I didn’t even know that. And I subsequently study and learned that hemoglobin attaches, oxygen attaches to hemoglobin, it gets transported through the arteries to your cells, and it combines with glucose to create ATP, which is energy. So if you don’t have oxygen, you don’t have any energy.
00:18:21:15 – 00:18:21:24
Nathan Crane
Right.
00:18:22:05 – 00:18:38:09
Bill Buvens
And that’s why I was so out of shape. I just I was suffocating literally at the cellular level. I was getting plenty of air into my lungs, but I couldn’t get transported from my lungs to my cells, to my muscles. And when I saw the gastroenterologist the next day, he asked me, you know, what are you what are you doing?
00:18:38:09 – 00:19:02:01
Bill Buvens
I said, Well, I’ve been playing golf. I have to walk on the golf course trying to get in shape. He said, I’ve got somebody upstairs in a hospital who’s hemoglobin seven. If I don’t get it up, they’re going to be dead. 5.7. Don’t check yourself into an emergency room. They will not let you leave. He couldn’t believe I didn’t have a heart attack because of what I told him I was trying to be doing with such low red blood in my body.
00:19:02:17 – 00:19:31:20
Bill Buvens
So that was that experience. And then when I saw him, he said, You either have celiac disease where you’re not processing or you have a you’re bleeding internally. And the next day he got me in for a colonoscopy. And when you do a colonoscopy, they generally give you some sort of anesthetic. So you’re still conscious so you can move around, but you don’t remember what I remembered very clearly, the whole experience.
00:19:32:10 – 00:20:02:04
Nathan Crane
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00:20:02:04 – 00:20:09:05
Nathan Crane
I’m just giving it to you for free. You can go download it at becoming cancer free dot com. All right, let’s get back to the show.
00:20:10:00 – 00:20:28:11
Bill Buvens
And I remember looking up at a miner and he pointed it and he said, look at that. That looks like cancer. And it was a robust look at this thing, this big bloody mess through the scope on on the what the colonoscopy scope. And I remember it because he went out for the colonoscopy. He came back and said, do you remember anything?
00:20:28:11 – 00:20:50:04
Bill Buvens
I said, Yeah, I remember you were pointing over the monitor. We were told to tell you. So that’s exactly right. Most people don’t remember those things. I guess it was such an impact. It just shattered through anesthesia and it was burned in my consciousness. So at that point, I hadn’t got the biopsy back yet, but he was. He was certain it was cancer.
00:20:51:12 – 00:21:19:21
Bill Buvens
Two days later, the biopsy came back and it was a moderately, moderately to two poorly differentiated adenocarcinoma adenocarcinoma in my colon and then a CT scan the next day revealed it had spread to my lymph nodes and an ultrasound determined that it was spots and lesions in my liver that said very suspicious was probably secondary to metastatic to meet us static.
00:21:20:21 – 00:21:44:14
Bill Buvens
So that’s that. I saw a surgeon and a surgeon took those two took I brought the CT scans with me. At that point in time, you put them up on a light board and he pointed out, Yeah, there is your tumor, there’s your opening, your call. And it turns out the tumor had completely encircled the inner wall of my colon and was coming in.
00:21:44:14 – 00:21:49:15
Bill Buvens
And the lumen, which is the opening of my colon, was about the size of a dime. Wow.
00:21:50:03 – 00:21:57:07
Nathan Crane
For you, I’m sure. I mean, your bowel movements must have been quite restricted then as well with that or. No, no.
00:21:57:10 – 00:22:03:09
Bill Buvens
No, no, I didn’t. I’m not. Some people have asked, would you see any blood on your store? No, I didn’t.
00:22:03:09 – 00:22:05:01
Nathan Crane
And no pain. No pain either?
00:22:05:01 – 00:22:10:10
Bill Buvens
No, no pain. I mean, literally, I ignorantly thought ignorantly looking back, I was out of shape.
00:22:10:19 – 00:22:32:01
Nathan Crane
Well, it’s it’s not ignorant at all, actually. I mean, people think that when you have cancer, I guess there is ignorance and just we don’t have the education as a society. But when you, you know, interviewed hundreds and hundreds of people, as I have, and you discover, you know, and you look deep into the research and talk to the doctors, most cancers actually have very little to no symptoms and have very little to no pain.
00:22:32:09 – 00:22:52:17
Nathan Crane
I’m saying most or many, let’s say many. And that’s not to, you know, take away from some cancers are very painful and oftentimes it is a it is a colon cancer that can be very painful because of the tumor might be pressing up and, you know, restricting bowel movements or maybe pressing up against nerves. And that can be very painful.
00:22:52:24 – 00:23:27:06
Nathan Crane
Sometimes bone cancer can be very painful, some cancers can be very painful. But many, many cancer cancers actually have very little to no pain and very little to no symptoms, often until the end stages where it has, you know, stage four or beyond. It’s metastasis size is starting to cause other problems, like with your liver, for example, and you start to see other symptoms because other organs are not functioning properly and more often than not, people don’t realize this, but most people who have cancer actually don’t die from cancer.
00:23:27:15 – 00:23:52:13
Nathan Crane
They at least what the reports say, you know, we could we could discuss is that the treatment that’s actually killing them as well. It’s a whole other conversation. But beyond that, actually, most people with cancer die from heart disease. So the the diet and lifestyle that has led to the cancer very often exacerbates and increases the risk for heart disease as well as diabetes, autoimmune disease, neurodegenerative disease.
00:23:52:13 – 00:24:15:19
Nathan Crane
Right. And so very often it’s the heart that ends up having the most problems and not necessarily because of the cancer. It’s because of what has led to the cancer in the first place. So it’s very you know, it’s interesting to hear that that you didn’t have pain. But, you know, how would you know that you had a tumor in your colon if you don’t have any real signs or symptoms that it’s there?
00:24:16:19 – 00:24:40:00
Bill Buvens
Well, well, the symptom was completely out of breath examined, but not knowing the biochemistry that no energy can mean. You don’t have enough blood. Right. And not that you’re out of shape, you don’t have enough blood. So, again, I don’t take ignorance. This is stupidity, as you say. Yeah. This is just not knowing. Yeah, no, I’m ignorant in many things.
00:24:40:00 – 00:24:48:03
Bill Buvens
We all are. Sometimes if someone I turn myself ignorant in many ways and I don’t, I think it’s just a statement of fact.
00:24:48:03 – 00:25:06:10
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Ignorance and ignorance. A funny word because it’s like there’s some charge behind it. I certainly feel the charge behind it sometimes that like when you said ignorant, it was, I immediately felt the charge of like, Well, no, you’re not ignorant, you’re not stupid. Right. But then at the other end of it, ignorance, what it actually means, as you’re saying, is actually it just means you don’t.
00:25:06:10 – 00:25:07:05
Bill Buvens
Experience you.
00:25:07:11 – 00:25:07:22
Nathan Crane
Don’t know.
00:25:08:04 – 00:25:29:01
Bill Buvens
And that’s the way I look at ignorance. And, and I’ve actually I had to be careful using that word because I have to qualify it before I say it, because sometimes I’ve actually I mean, some people inadvertently, because if someone calls me ignorant, I’ll say, Yeah, about what and what. Yeah, yeah. That guilty as charged I absolutely Yeah yeah.
00:25:29:03 – 00:25:39:00
Bill Buvens
But what should I, what should I be knowing because I look at it as opportunity. Maybe it’s something more I need to learn that I don’t know because I’m ignorant. But you’re right. Most people equate ignorance with stupidity in a bar for different.
00:25:39:09 – 00:25:40:04
Nathan Crane
So you.
00:25:41:02 – 00:25:41:16
Bill Buvens
Were.
00:25:41:22 – 00:25:58:05
Nathan Crane
At the so you went to the surgeon. You I mean, they basically realized, hey, there’s a stage for it’s very serious, it’s metastasized, it’s you know, spread to the liver deliver is is a lesions and the problems with the liver that was causing the low red blood count is that what they determined?
00:25:58:08 – 00:26:03:05
Bill Buvens
No, the low blood blood count was because the tumor was bleeding.
00:26:03:21 – 00:26:10:02
Nathan Crane
Oh, the tumor was bleeding. Okay. But you didn’t have blood in your stool, though, so your body was there.
00:26:10:02 – 00:26:16:22
Bill Buvens
Could have been blood in my stool. I just didn’t notice that. I didn’t. I mean, who. Who? Every day looks at their stool for blood.
00:26:17:06 – 00:26:21:02
Nathan Crane
I do. I did. I don’t look for blood, but I look at my stool every day.
00:26:21:07 – 00:26:22:07
Bill Buvens
I turn up.
00:26:23:22 – 00:26:43:23
Nathan Crane
And I encourage everybody to Actually, it’s a good conversation because, you know, if you don’t look at it because you’re disgusted or whatever, one of the best things you can do to see how your internal digestive system is working like is to actually take a look at your stool and see like, is it very runny and watery? That’s an issue, you know, is it hard and clumpy?
00:26:43:23 – 00:27:03:09
Nathan Crane
And it’s very you know, it’s not coming out very smoothly. That’s also an issue. Is there blood? Is it very discolored sometimes. Now be mindful if you’re drinking beet juice or eating a lot of beets or some, it’s going to look like blood. But that’s not blood. It just looks red. But other than that, you know, I learned years ago to to actually, you know, observe your stool every day.
00:27:03:09 – 00:27:18:15
Nathan Crane
It takes half a second to look right to to see, because it can tell you a lot about the internal aspect of your health. But again, you were you weren’t doing it. You had no idea and no reason to. So maybe you were bleeding and didn’t even know it.
00:27:19:23 – 00:27:25:11
Bill Buvens
Well, blood was going out somewhere. Yeah. And that was the only opening I had.
00:27:26:10 – 00:27:29:16
Nathan Crane
Was it? Was it coming out of your ears while you were sleeping, is what you’re saying?
00:27:30:14 – 00:27:43:14
Bill Buvens
Exactly. And admittedly, I probably wasn’t having the best diet to build blood, so. So that’s why I had lost a lot of blood. And I was very tired.
00:27:43:14 – 00:27:55:05
Nathan Crane
So then then that’s when they told you, okay, here’s the prognosis. Here’s what we recommend. Surgery, chemotherapy, radiation. What did you say? What did you do from that point forward?
00:27:55:14 – 00:28:16:22
Bill Buvens
Well, I started asking questions, of course, and one thing I asked the doctor when he had the CT scan up on the light board, I asked him, how did you know this was cancer? My lymph nodes. And he showed me other parts of my abdomen and he said, you can see this cloudiness here. That’s that’s the cancer there.
00:28:17:04 – 00:28:51:05
Bill Buvens
The density is different. And that’s when he but also what he did after he he told me that you got colon cancer with metastatic metastases to your liver. I subsequently had learned that the liver and the colon are connected with the portal vein. So colon cancer, when discovered early, is pretty easily treatable, but when discovered later, many times it metastasizes to the liver.
00:28:51:11 – 00:28:51:20
Nathan Crane
Right.
00:28:51:21 – 00:28:53:24
Bill Buvens
And that becomes very, very problem.
00:28:53:24 – 00:29:03:23
Nathan Crane
Matic in most chemotherapy is actually very ineffective against, I mean, many kinds of cancer, but specifically that cancer.
00:29:03:23 – 00:29:28:08
Bill Buvens
And and so he then told me all those stats, you know, and he said, you know, if you don’t do anything in less than six months, that opening your colon is going to shut down and then you’ll be dead. And then, of course, if you do everything we can recommend the odds of you surviving five years, still less than 20%.
00:29:28:08 – 00:29:49:14
Bill Buvens
And then he had called his nurse in and then she left. And then she came back with a piece of paper and he took the paper and put a pen on it and slid it over to me. And he said, My nurse just checked. There is space in the operating room. I remember this like it was yesterday. Nathan There’s space in the operating room next Tuesday.
00:29:50:05 – 00:30:10:24
Bill Buvens
I just need your okay, right here we can get started. And he slid the paper over with the pen right there. Anymore. Too little X for me to sign to give permission to to reserve the operating room so he could, he could operate on me. And at that point I realized limit this is I wasn’t ready for this.
00:30:11:18 – 00:30:31:19
Bill Buvens
This is that I said to him, I said, let me ask you a question. And this is exactly how it went down. Me ask you question. Has anybody ever listened to all this and told you, No, thank you. I’m not interested because I was thinking about doing that, to be honest with you. And he said yes. So I then asked what I thought was the next logical question.
00:30:31:19 – 00:31:01:04
Bill Buvens
So what happened to them? He gets very quiet. He looks me right in the eye, and he said, They’re all dead. He slides the paper over again with the pen. And it’s very difficult in that scenario to say no. Right. But I heard this little inner voice, that spiritual nudge kept saying over and over, you haven’t even given your body a chance.
00:31:01:14 – 00:31:24:18
Bill Buvens
You haven’t even given your body a chance. You haven’t. It just kept repeating over and over. I mean, if you were if you were outside looking, you would have known I was experiencing that. But then but it was true. I hadn’t. And I’ve done a lot of reading in philosophy and a lot of other reading and one thing book I really like is by a Chinese general.
00:31:25:15 – 00:31:46:20
Bill Buvens
2500 years ago, Sun Tzu. It’s books called The Art of War. And in that book there’s a quote by Sun Tzu victorious Warriors win first and then they go to war while defeated Warriors go to war first and then hope to win. And they just wanted me to go where they were, to push me in the battle, hoping I would win.
00:31:47:12 – 00:32:20:04
Bill Buvens
And not only hoping with knowing that I had less than 20% chance to survive. So I asked the doctor, You ask your question, why do I have this cancer? And the answer it was like, we don’t really know, but this is really all we can do for you. And I didn’t like that. I didn’t like those odds. And I thought of this metaphor to myself, and I’ll say it here.
00:32:20:04 – 00:32:40:18
Bill Buvens
If if you were on a dock and going to take a boat and you had to get on that boat or you had to get across the ocean and so you had to go across the ocean before plane flight and the captain in the boat says, okay, everybody get on board. But there’s greater than 80% chance this boat’s going to sink and you going to be lost at sea.
00:32:41:19 – 00:33:05:17
Bill Buvens
But the only boat come on, get on board. Well, I wouldn’t get on I wouldn’t want to get on that boat. And as I as I thought, I’ll go back and try to maybe make my own boat before I get on that boat and like hearing that inner voice again and again and always knowing that when I hear that inner voice that loudly, that affirmatively, that definitely I really pay attention to it.
00:33:06:03 – 00:33:38:16
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s powerful. I mean, it’s it’s really, I think, a testament to your previous spiritual practice, you know, of meditation, of listening quietly, of connecting to your own inner wisdom, of having an affinity towards very spiritual practices because the more you have, the more you’re in tune with, you know, what I call your your inner wisdom, The the more when, when it really matters in those kind of voices or nudges or feelings or intuitive hits come up.
00:33:39:07 – 00:34:05:05
Nathan Crane
You’re already you’ve already practiced listening to it, right? You’ve already know that like, hey, this thing is nudging me in this direction. I should probably pay attention. And when you do, at least in my experience, things tend to work out for the best. And when we avoid or discount or don’t listen to that voice, things tend to, you know, work out for the worst, unfortunately.
00:34:05:05 – 00:34:38:10
Nathan Crane
And it’s what, you know, we could we could label or name whatever that voice is that you heard. I mean, you could say it was from God, from your soul, from spirit, from your intuition, from whatever you wanted to call it. But I think that there’s a huge you know, it’s worth noting that, you know, you had practiced meditation for years and you had been on this spiritual journey for years that that voice was so loud and so clear in that moment when you needed it.
00:34:38:19 – 00:34:43:12
Nathan Crane
Right. And there’s there’s just so much to be said about that. So that’s incredible.
00:34:43:24 – 00:35:09:15
Bill Buvens
Yeah. And at that point, when the doctor couldn’t give me and I said, Let me ask you a question. You you’re claiming that if I don’t do anything, I’ll be dead six months. And even if I do everything, I won’t survive. Great than 80%. I’ll be dead in five years. Why are you. Are you so sure this is what I should be doing?
00:35:09:15 – 00:35:32:24
Bill Buvens
There’s got to be something better. Well, that’s all we know to do. At that point, I just felt like Nathan. I felt like it was. A side note, piece of paper. I was going to be a statistic, and I didn’t like those odds. And I felt those odds are for people that aren’t willing to change, those people that are willing to to make adjustments, those people that are willing to learn and are not willing to step up and see what they could do about it.
00:35:33:24 – 00:36:01:00
Nathan Crane
Well, Dr. Thomas Loti, who is a conventionally trained medical doctor, has become a great friend and colleague of mine. I actually had him on the podcast. He is a really fascinating man. He he eventually left conventional medicine and conventional oncology and opened up a practice that implements integrative and holistic health care, because from his words and his his perspective, he was not able to actually help patients heal from chronic diseases like cancer.
00:36:01:00 – 00:36:28:06
Nathan Crane
He was just providing drugs and, you know, not even healing the underlying condition or causes of the diseases. And and he didn’t like that. And he felt like, you know, he wanted to find a better way and he did find a better way. And that led him down. Holistic medicine and natural medicine and lifestyle changes. And one of the things he says, you know, it’s very strong statement that he says, but he says, you know, what would happen to you and what happens to most people?
00:36:28:06 – 00:36:50:07
Nathan Crane
He calls as sorcery. He says, look, he’s and he was he is a medical doctor. He says medical doctors are sorcerers. You know, what is sorcery? It is it is literally giving you a prognosis, a belief that if you don’t do what I say, you’re going to die. Right. And so immediately you’re you’re you have this fear. You have this, Oh, my God, I have to do what he says or I’m going to die.
00:36:50:07 – 00:37:06:13
Nathan Crane
And even if I do do it, he says there’s an 80% chance I’m going to die. So, like, now you’re like this double fear that even if I do what I’m supposed to do, I’m still probably going to die. You know, that’s sorcery. You went from a belief of not even having like, okay, I you know, I’m just out of breath to, oh, my.
00:37:06:13 – 00:37:26:04
Nathan Crane
If I don’t do this right now and sign this paper and start surgery next week, I’m going to die. And most like I’m going to die anyway. And then what does the sorcerer do? Gives you the magic potion, the magic pills to to make you better. And even so, those magic potion, magic pills, there’s still a high likelihood that they are not going to, quote unquote, cure you.
00:37:26:04 – 00:37:53:04
Nathan Crane
And again, these are his words. They’re powerful words. But it’s it’s actually a very interesting way to look at it. And not that medical doctors are bad or convention oncologists are bad. This is how they’re trained, right? They’re trained. The medical textbook literature today on oncology teaches three primary things surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, drugs, drugs, drugs. They don’t teach what caused the cancer.
00:37:53:10 – 00:38:11:06
Nathan Crane
They don’t teach the diet and nutrition that leads to cancer or that can help reverse cancer. They don’t teach a lifestyle. They don’t teach. They say it’s genetic and it’s unknown. And all we can do is give you drugs or chemotherapy, radiation or surgery, and that’s it. So it’s not like they’re bad people trying to hurt you. Right.
00:38:11:06 – 00:38:35:01
Nathan Crane
And I don’t think you’re saying that at all. But a lot of a lot of people tend to go down that direction. Oh, medical doctors are evil. They don’t they’re just killing people in their arms like. No, they they are most of them that I’ve talked to are honestly trying to help people. The problem is their tool kit is so limited and their knowledge is unbelievably limited when it comes to chronic diseases.
00:38:35:01 – 00:39:10:24
Nathan Crane
Right. Acute health care, they’re amazing. You know, you need a you need a liver transplant or your arm got cut off in a car wreck or, you know, some debilitating thing like that acute trauma situation. Medical doctors, surgeons are amazing chronic diseases. Unfortunately, they are not trained yet. You know there are new paradigm paradigms being implemented, certain medical doctors who are actually nutritional scientists who are trying to bring nutritional science and lifestyle changes to heal chronic diseases into the schools.
00:39:11:10 – 00:39:31:17
Nathan Crane
Obviously with a lot of resistance because there’s not a lot of money in that for the pharmaceutical companies. So they’re getting a lot of resistance. But there are some really world renowned doctors working on this as we speak. But again, back to your point, you said, hey, you know what, there’s got to be a better way. So what did you do?
00:39:31:17 – 00:39:38:18
Nathan Crane
So you left you left his office and what did you do from there? I mean, what did he say when you left? What? Yeah, What happened?
00:39:38:23 – 00:40:01:05
Bill Buvens
Well, no. Well, good. Good point. Good question. I hearing that inner voice not liking those odds, not liking his explanation, not liking his. You know, my background is in sales. And I realized, hey, this guy’s trying to one cold close me. Mm. Well, he was just trying to one call, close me and using the fear of death as the lever to do it.
00:40:01:24 – 00:40:09:17
Nathan Crane
So that’s the hardest close you could ever use if you don’t do it. I say right now, you’re going to die. Like, okay, that’s what he signed me up, right?
00:40:09:21 – 00:40:15:01
Bill Buvens
I said it Is anybody ever listen, Listen said no. What happened to them? They’re all dead in the paper. Over.
00:40:15:21 – 00:40:20:12
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Show me the proof that you followed every person that said no to you and that they all died.
00:40:20:18 – 00:40:40:18
Bill Buvens
I didn’t really care, cause that’s. That’s you. No, but that’s a never ending. But, you know, if the people say that but me, that’s like water off a duck’s back because I. Ah they got. Yeah. No, no one has the right to tell another person when they’re going to die. Yeah. No one has that right to me. Sorcery.
00:40:40:18 – 00:41:02:13
Bill Buvens
I don’t know. But wrong I would say yes. Well certainly wrong in my case, but so I am not hearing the answers I wanted Nathan and I just hearing that in inner voice. I just stood up and I said, you know, I need some time to think this over. And I shook his hand. I walked out.
00:41:02:13 – 00:41:22:15
Nathan Crane
It’s the smartest thing anyone could ever do in that situation. Whether you choose that that route or not, you choose conventional, holistic, whatever you choose. But say, I need some time to think this over. Get a second opinion, a third opinion, do some research, take a little time, sit with it, meditate on it. I mean, that’s the smartest thing anyone could ever do.
00:41:22:15 – 00:41:28:18
Nathan Crane
And that’s that’s amazing to you that you were able to do that in that situation. That’s not an easy thing to do.
00:41:29:05 – 00:41:52:07
Bill Buvens
No, it was it was not easy. And I’m not but it was to me, it was it was the only thing to do. But again, it was easy. If I follow my inner voice, it was so clear. And I. I don’t. I don’t. Hey, I got a choice. Follow the inner voice and try to give my body a chance or go down that road and represent chance.
00:41:52:07 – 00:42:07:02
Bill Buvens
I’ll be done in five years. I mean, to me that’s like a no brainer almost. For me it was, it was a no brainer. And so but I knew that I could look at the scans. I can know how I feel. I can I can see the blood test. I knew that something was wrong. I knew that my time was limited.
00:42:07:02 – 00:42:27:00
Bill Buvens
It was no doubt about that. I mean, it wasn’t like I wasn’t in denial, but but I knew I needed to do something. So I said, I’ll give myself ten days. I’ll give myself ten days to see if I can figure out what’s going on, see if I can do my own research, I can get my own knowledge so I can get some my own answers that I wasn’t getting here.
00:42:27:21 – 00:42:49:24
Bill Buvens
But as I as I walked out of the surgeon’s office, I made it an appointment in ten days. I said, I’ll give myself ten days. And and then I called the oncologist and made another appointment right after that, the same day, in ten days. So I would see the surgeon, I would see the oncologist. I gave myself ten days.
00:42:50:15 – 00:43:16:22
Bill Buvens
And then I went back home and I remember I can remember it like now that I remember this, I remember I drove away. I can still see the parking lot. I pulled over him. I pulled over and it hit me because, you know, you come to grips with your mortality. And I really realize I said, well, I really got myself into a tough situation this time.
00:43:18:00 – 00:43:47:13
Bill Buvens
I mean, this is this is real. And for about 15 minutes, Nathan, it overcame me. And I really realized, holy, you know what this is? This is the real deal. And then I thought, What? And don’t ask me why. Just because the error thought came. And what did that doctor called me and said, Bill, we made a mistake.
00:43:48:10 – 00:44:08:22
Bill Buvens
Those scans, those tests, we re confused with another patient You don’t really have. You’ve got catch me. It’s not that serious. You’re really it’s not that big a deal. If you call me that. If you can’t tell me that, how would I feel? I mean, I feel great all of a sudden. All that heaviness left. I felt light and I felt great.
00:44:10:04 – 00:44:37:07
Bill Buvens
And I said, Wait a minute, which way do I want to feel? Do I want to feel depressed? Like I’m afraid of death? Or do I want to feel light and happy? And whatever it’s worth, I would say from meditation and going inward, the a lot one is able to gain greater control of their attention, of their focus, of their awareness, what they choose to put their attention on.
00:44:38:13 – 00:44:58:02
Bill Buvens
They’re not as reactionary, they’re more proactive. And I said to myself, You know what? I’m going to feel that way. I like the way that feels. I’m going to I choose that because that feels better. But I knew that that was the work. Those were my scans, but I just started feeling good. I started feeling great because I like because I can choose.
00:44:58:02 – 00:45:06:18
Bill Buvens
And and I in another interview, I gave this example, there was a a gentleman named Viktor Frankl. He wrote a men’s.
00:45:06:18 – 00:45:07:24
Nathan Crane
Man’s search for meaning.
00:45:07:24 – 00:45:31:14
Bill Buvens
Search Man’s search for meaning, Credible book. One of the top cop books. He was an Austrian Jew. He he and his pregnant wife and his parents were put into Auschwitz and he watched his pregnant wife get taken to the gas chamber. And you watch his parents go to the gas chamber. But somehow he got in different line, was put back into the to the barracks where they were.
00:45:31:17 – 00:45:33:19
Nathan Crane
The work the work camp, basically. Yeah.
00:45:33:19 – 00:45:51:11
Bill Buvens
Yeah, exactly. And then he got together with four or five other guys and they would sit down and chat and they were no longer in Auschwitz. They were talking about the life they were going to have when they got back to Berlin. But they were actually they were in Berlin just talking. They were no longer in Auschwitz. They were in Berlin.
00:45:51:11 – 00:46:03:15
Bill Buvens
They and in Book Man’s Search for Meaning, he says everything can be taken from a man. But one thing, the last of the human freedoms to choose one’s own way, to choose one’s own point of view.
00:46:04:21 – 00:46:23:20
Nathan Crane
Well, let’s give a little context there. I mean, you know, he’s telling the stories of. Right. It’s freezing cold and snowy outside. They’re, you know, to keep their feet warm. They had to, you know, rip the boots off of someone who had just died right there. And, you know, people are fighting for that pair of boots that even had holes in them.
00:46:24:06 – 00:46:43:10
Nathan Crane
Right. Just to keep, you know, a pair of boots on your feet. And they had one bowl of basically watery soup that had maybe one fish eye in it and a couple of peas. And like that was their meal for the day. They were skin and bones. We see pictures, right, of people who lived through this skin and bone.
00:46:43:10 – 00:47:05:05
Nathan Crane
He talks about, you know, losing all of his muscle mass and then so weak. And if you’re, you know, lagging behind, you have no energy and you’re so weak and you’re trying to carry these really heavy beams through the snow and the freezing and the cold and the pain, and you fall behind it all, you’re getting whipped and you’re getting beaten and, you know, you get taken away to the gas chamber if you can’t keep up.
00:47:05:10 – 00:47:30:24
Nathan Crane
Like this was an everyday reality for these people and then back into barracks, here they are, you know, just rat infested people, you know, shitting all over themselves and peeing because they just can’t even get up to go outside and huddled together on hard wooden floors to try and keep each other warm. And you don’t know if you’re going to wake up the next day because, you know, many people wouldn’t wake up the next day.
00:47:30:24 – 00:48:05:01
Nathan Crane
They would just die in the sleep. And this was just horrible, horrible experience to live. And then here they are every day intentionally. He’s talking about it of, you know, talking about the meals that they’re eating. Right, like you said, in Berlin and what they’re doing. And like they they transport themselves mentally, emotionally, visually, to an experience where they’re feeling good and nourishing themselves and laughing in that experience, you know, transporting themselves out through their conversations and go on and keep telling.
00:48:05:01 – 00:48:28:06
Nathan Crane
But I just want to give a little context there for people to realize, like, how terrible, terrifying, horrific the situation was that he describes that they were in and still being able to to find hope and meaning and and feel some sense of, you know, joy and happiness in that kind of situation. And it was all up here.
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00:49:57:03 – 00:50:32:00
Bill Buvens
Imagination. Yeah It was our imagination. So and then I felt better. And then I remembered the words of the native warrior and chief and Holy Man, Crazy Horse. He had a vision when he was young that if he didn’t, if he didn’t take scalps in battle of his enemy, he would be protected. He would be invulnerable. He had that vision.
00:50:32:00 – 00:50:33:03
Bill Buvens
That was what he believed.
00:50:33:18 – 00:50:36:06
Nathan Crane
If he didn’t take scalps or if he did take scalps.
00:50:36:07 – 00:50:56:24
Bill Buvens
If he did not, if he did not, if he did not demean his enemy when he killed them, if he did not take scalps, he would be invulnerable. He had that vision and he when he would go into battle, he would ride in front of everybody and and the U.S. would shoot at him until they were out of bullets.
00:50:56:24 – 00:51:11:22
Bill Buvens
And then we would start to reload and he would send his brazen to attack. He would it was like he was legendary. He was always out front. And when he would get out front, he would turn to it. He would turn to them. All he would say today is a good day to fight. Today is a good day to die.
00:51:12:04 – 00:51:36:03
Bill Buvens
Strong hearts Bravehearts to the front week, hearts and cowards to the rear. And as I was sitting in that parking lot, feeling good, imagining that doctor, what if he had called me and said it wasn’t that bad? I chose that feeling. And then I imagined Crazy Horse maybe. And Crazy Horse just saying, Today is a good day to fight.
00:51:36:03 – 00:52:00:21
Bill Buvens
And I said, Yes, today is a good day to fight. I felt so empowered and I never I was never afraid. And I made the decision. I couldn’t that the fear of death denied me a greater chance for life. And then I went home and left the doctor’s office. I drove home. I was never I never had doubt, fear or worry again ever again.
00:52:01:21 – 00:52:23:08
Bill Buvens
And I got on I got on the Internet. And thank God in 21 years, 22 years ago for the Internet. And I started researching and I and now it’s more prominent. But I was beginning to realize there’s basically two theories of cancer. Cancer is a genetic disease. There’s not a lot you can do about it. It’s bad luck or cancer is a metabolic disease.
00:52:23:08 – 00:52:45:11
Bill Buvens
There are certain metabolic dysfunctions which happen, which causes our body to create cancer if it’s genic and bad luck. And I’ve actually had contact. I’ve actually asked oncologists why, why do I get when you get cancer, they reach into their job and pull an article. It’s bad luck that they actually have other doctors writing articles that cancer is bad luck and I’m one doctor did that to me.
00:52:45:11 – 00:53:20:13
Bill Buvens
And I said, Well, I guess I guess the solution is good luck. I like this. And I said, Well, of course, that’s a great position to try to play somebody in because when it when there’s no real cause, then fear comes. In my opinion, fear comes from lack of the unknown and feeling out of control, feeling powerless if you’re it, if you’re through sorcery or what do we want to call it, or positioning or misinformation to be most polite makes one feel powerless.
00:53:21:05 – 00:53:46:23
Bill Buvens
That’s where fear comes in and so so I go on the Internet and I started researching and I came across a German doctor scientist named Otto Warburg now, and I discovered in 1931, 70 years earlier, he won the Nobel Prize for his discovery of the primary cause of cancer.
00:53:47:19 – 00:53:49:01
Nathan Crane
Called the effect.
00:53:49:18 – 00:54:30:09
Bill Buvens
You, you know, when I saw that, I said, whoa, this I’m going to read what this man wrote in a 1966 Warburg return to Lindau Germany, and he gave a Nobel Laureate talk in 1966. And in there he laid it all out. Warburg laid it all out and basically what Warburg discovered is I can read that a normal cell creates energy through use of oxygen in a process called oxidative phosphorylation.
00:54:31:10 – 00:55:05:22
Bill Buvens
But a cancer cell no longer respirators and creates energy ATP through fermentation and that that’s the way life was. The original life on Earth, billions of years ago, energy came from the sun and through fermentation, single cell organisms created energy. About 2 billion years ago, the great oxygenation event happened on our planet, and because of that, multicellular life was able to be formed.
00:55:05:22 – 00:55:45:00
Bill Buvens
And Warburg talks about that in general. And he basically in that in that Lindau talk in 1966, he says cancer basically is it’s a form of life that that just it’s anaerobes that suck up energy and have all lost all meaning of life. And the more I read about that, the more I realized, yeah, Okay. And then in that same article he says to, to, to give yourself more health, you need to increase the hemoglobin in the body and speed it up so you can get more oxygen to the cells.
00:55:45:00 – 00:56:05:18
Bill Buvens
Well, knowing my hemoglobin was 5.7, I just thought, Hey, I need to get more hemoglobin in my body because of hemoglobin. Because if you’re going to heal, you have have energy to heal. You have to have energy to heal. So then I started researching and I found out that one year earlier than Ortberg, who won the Nobel Prize in physiology in 1931.
00:56:05:18 – 00:56:38:18
Bill Buvens
In 1930, Hans Fisher, also a German chemist, won the Nobel Prize in chemistry for his discovery of the similarity between hemoglobin and Chlorophyl. And when I looked at the molecular similarity between hemoglobin Chlorophyl, the central binding element in hemoglobin is iron. It makes it red. In Chlorophyl, the central binding element is magnesium. It makes it green. If you if you were to Google molecular similarity hemoglobin Chlorophyl, you’ll see everything around it.
00:56:39:00 – 00:57:11:22
Bill Buvens
The hydrogen, nitrogen, carbon atoms, they all line up exactly the same. So okay, so I need more chlorophyl, right. To build, to build my hemoglobin, to follow what Warburg is saying. And then I came across, I did more research. I came across a woman named and Wigmore. She was talking about wheatgrass. It was very powerful with nutrients, vital nutrients and chlorophyl.
00:57:12:24 – 00:57:33:12
Bill Buvens
So I said, Well, I need I need to get some. I need to get some green juice into my body. And I Whole Foods Market started here in Austin in 1980 at 12 to Lamar, I used to go to that store where there’s one Whole Foods, right and 12 lower and this was this was a little bit later it had gone public, I think, since then.
00:57:33:12 – 00:57:47:01
Bill Buvens
But I went to the Whole Foods. It was near where I was living and they were they had wheatgrass and they were like I was bringing flats in. They were in restaurant trays. It was growing them and they were cutting them and they were throwing the flats away. And I said, Hey, because it was expensive to buy shots of wheatgrass.
00:57:47:01 – 00:58:12:08
Bill Buvens
And I needed a lot of thought. So I sat there, was throwing the flat away and I said, Hey, give me that flat. So the next day I went to the restaurant, supplied. I bought the same trays, and every day I would go and get about three or four flats of wheatgrass and take them home. And I was regrowing them and I started drinking about six ounces a week, grass every day, about two ounces in the morning, two ounces at midday and two ounces later on the afternoon.
00:58:13:03 – 00:58:44:00
Bill Buvens
And then I bought a single other juicer because the champion juicer I had was good at juicing beets and carrots. No hard root vegetables, but leafy things, even like celery, will just wrap around the way a champion works. It does. It’s not good for greens. So I bought a single auger juicer, which is very good. Single Agami is a single geared juicer that the auger juice, which is usually a twin auger or a single auger, single auger either horizontal or vertical and dual auger twin auger or jelly horizontal.
00:58:44:10 – 00:58:46:14
Bill Buvens
I bought a single auger, which is very good for greens.
00:58:46:19 – 00:59:08:19
Nathan Crane
They’re great, they’re very slow and they as you said, they were great with greens there. They also don’t heat up the the vegetables when you use them as well because it is so slow. The fast, the fast juicers, you know you’ll kill some of the nutrients because of the heat, you kill some of the enzymes, you still get tremendous benefit from it.
00:59:08:19 – 00:59:17:10
Nathan Crane
It doesn’t really matter but the the slow juicers are you know like for greens and grass and things like that are, are fantastic. Yeah. Yeah.
00:59:17:11 – 00:59:38:16
Bill Buvens
So it’s the only way it’s all the way to do it in my opinion. And so then I started doing the regress, I started making greens and I would put them at that point I also was online. I discovered Max Gerson Yup. And he had I discovered he had a very effective protocol for healing cancer.
00:59:38:19 – 00:59:39:22
Nathan Crane
GERSON therapy here.
00:59:40:09 – 01:00:01:09
Bill Buvens
And when he was on vacation, he died in 1959. But was he when he was on vacation in 1956? And Escondido, California, I came across a PDF of a lecture that he gave, and what a gift that was. When I read Gerson’s lecture, he laid it all out. He laid out his therapy and he laid it all out.
01:00:01:09 – 01:00:39:17
Bill Buvens
He laid all the juices and everything you need to do. And he also talked about something called Parenteral digestion, our entrails, that is our digestive track, our alimentary canal. So parenteral digestion is digestion that happens outside of our digestive tract. And he said that if you supply enough enzymes, enough fresh, fresh nutrients into the body, they’ll go into the bloodstream and through the bloodstream, the bloodstream will begin to parentally digest tumors and begin to break them down.
01:00:40:14 – 01:01:03:02
Bill Buvens
And that it takes through the bloodstream that gets taken to the liver. It’s filtered out and basically then eliminated from the body. And what in this this great talk in 1956, Jefferson talked about that he had patients dying of liver toxicity because of all the breakdown from the tumors that was being apparently digested through the bloodstream, go into the liver.
01:01:03:12 – 01:01:32:02
Bill Buvens
They were dying. And he realized that he started utilizing coffee enemas, which which is a way to begin to remove toxins from the liver and get them out of the system. And when he then began utilizing coffee enemas, two, three, four, sometimes more times a day, patients that were dying of liver toxicity now weren’t. And they were. He had people coming in that were within on their deathbed and eventually they’d be walking out healed.
01:01:32:18 – 01:01:53:15
Bill Buvens
So it was just when I read about that and with Warburg I began to think, Hey, this is starting to make some sense to me. I begin to have this feeling and and I’ve done a lot of a lot of reading about philosophy and poetry, and now realize I have to become a medical expert for myself.
01:01:53:22 – 01:01:59:13
Nathan Crane
Now, did you find all these resources in that ten day period, or how long did it take?
01:01:59:19 – 01:02:01:24
Bill Buvens
Yes, sir. Yes. So this this is that ten day period. I mean.
01:02:02:23 – 01:02:36:12
Nathan Crane
That’s amazing. It took it took me years of like interviewing, you know, dozens and dozens of world leading, integrative, you know, oncologists and natural health experts and holistic medical doctors and and, you know, incredible healing stories of people like yourself who reverse stage four cancer and, you know, meeting Charlotte Gerson, who is a son of Max Gerson, who continued on his you know, she unfortunately passed away just a few years ago, 2019, but she was instrumental in helping keep moving forward, the Gerson therapy, you know, learning from these people.
01:02:36:12 – 01:02:52:07
Nathan Crane
It took me years to discover, you know, all these different things that that yeah, I guess to go deep into them. So it’s pretty amazing that 22 years ago you were able to learn about all of these people in in a ten day period. It’s amazing.
01:02:52:20 – 01:03:03:05
Bill Buvens
Well, listen to this. But I will say this. The necessity, Nathan, is the mother of invention. Yeah. When your life’s on the line, dude, there’s a lot of motivation to keep.
01:03:03:05 – 01:03:24:08
Nathan Crane
Well, and when you’re and not only that, but when you have the mindset that you did that said, Look, I am going to do something about this. I’m going to find solutions. I’m going to stay positive. I’m like, you know, yeah, your life is on the line. But had you stayed in that the victim mentality, the fear, right?
01:03:24:08 – 01:03:52:07
Nathan Crane
And I mean, you had every right to to be a victim in that sense, you know? But had you stayed in that fearful mentality and that victim mentality, you probably would have discovered none of this. But the fact that you were able to pull yourself out of that, turn it into a positive outlook and say, I’m going to find solutions, is I would I would personally, you know, I would say that that was probably 80 or 90% of what led you to find what you found, which is amazing.
01:03:53:15 – 01:03:54:10
Nathan Crane
Would you agree with that?
01:03:55:24 – 01:04:22:06
Bill Buvens
Well, it’s hard. You know, sometimes in life it’s hard to find a knife to cut itself. So looking back, I guess that that’s a reasonable position. But to me, it didn’t seem amazing. It just seemed it’s just what I did. Hmm. I don’t I don’t I’m not trying to downplay what you’re saying. I appreciate that. But it just I mean, I mean, that was.
01:04:22:12 – 01:04:38:13
Bill Buvens
What else are you going to do, Lay down a die or let them put you on a path that’s going to give you a greater than 80% chance you can be dead anyway. And that’s to me, in my opinion. And this this is the decision I made. Death was not an option. That was that was off the table.
01:04:39:09 – 01:05:00:15
Bill Buvens
Like I made myself, you know, for objectives. And by the way, at that point, I wasn’t anti surgery, I wasn’t anti chemo, I wasn’t anti and original. I was just anti-death and I made myself for objectives. I said, whatever I say, I give myself ten days. I said, you know, whatever path I choose, it has to work quickly because I don’t have a lot of time.
01:05:01:23 – 01:05:31:23
Bill Buvens
It has to be safe because I don’t want to die from it, and it has to be comfortable. But comfortable was low down on my list. I was willing to do anything if it would give me a chance to live quicker. It was safe. It was If it was discomforting, I didn’t care. But when I finally did my final analysis and when all said and done, the path that I end up choosing, which I’ll go into here to me was the fastest, was a safe that was certainly most comfortable.
01:05:32:19 – 01:05:58:20
Bill Buvens
And it gave me the greatest chance of for life, in my opinion. So I so when I discovered Gerson and Werber, I started doing the green juicing and with Gerson, I learned about that. He had he had two juices. He was doing every hour a carrot apple blend and then a green juice blend. And I was incorporating those, but I was fortifying the green juice with more wheatgrass juice.
01:05:59:06 – 01:06:18:09
Bill Buvens
And then I also came across I don’t know how I came across this, but spirulina I read the Spirulina was very high in Chlorophyl and I contacted a company I called them in Hawaii, companies called New Trex. It used to be organic, but now it’s not organic, but they process it the same way. Just the organic standards change.
01:06:18:09 – 01:06:33:01
Bill Buvens
But I thought it was a great spirulina. I still buy new tricks. I still use new tricks today, but I talked to a great guy and new tracks. I told my situation I got cancer. The doctors told me I’ll be dead in a few months if I don’t do something I want to. I need to get my chlorophyl up.
01:06:33:22 – 01:06:55:05
Bill Buvens
And he said, I thought I’ll do for you. I’ll set you up as a commercial cow so you can order cases at cost. So remember, I was on I was on the house eventually on the new truck’s website as bills, health, food. And actually people were reached out to me out to buy some separately as opposed to actually I’m not really I just I just have I just have a commercial car.
01:06:55:11 – 01:07:10:18
Bill Buvens
So I was I was already cases of spirulina, £6 tall case. And I was then consuming. I looked at my protocol sheet. I was actually consuming 60 grams of spirulina de Well for it was four and 50 is a pound. So I was consuming a lot of spirulina a day.
01:07:10:24 – 01:07:14:03
Nathan Crane
As a lot of spirulina. Spirulina does not taste very good at all.
01:07:14:19 – 01:07:22:11
Bill Buvens
Well, I also I also created the statement I wrote for myself. Nothing taste as good as the feeling of being cancer free.
01:07:22:17 – 01:07:23:05
Nathan Crane
I love it.
01:07:23:19 – 01:07:24:03
Bill Buvens
I mean.
01:07:25:10 – 01:07:26:22
Nathan Crane
That’s that’s powerful.
01:07:27:09 – 01:07:38:07
Bill Buvens
It’s taste as good as I put it right on my thing. I put it all in the house. Nothing. Because how many times I’ll be motivated by taste, by dopamine, and it leads us down the wrong path. So.
01:07:38:08 – 01:08:00:06
Nathan Crane
Exactly. I mean, I. I still drink green juice every single morning to this day. And there were there were times as well when I went on a 100% raw vegan diet and we were juicing massive amounts of, you know, vegetable juice and green juices and lots of spirulina and lots of, you know, binders and toxic removers and cilantro, things that tons and tons of it.
01:08:00:13 – 01:08:31:12
Nathan Crane
Same thing like, I really don’t care how it tastes. If it’s doesn’t taste that great to me, it’s medicine. It’s natural medicine. And and I know what it’s doing for my body, right? It’s preventing cancer. It’s helping enhance my immune system. It’s helping to remove heavy metals out of my body and toxins out of my body. And what’s interesting is the more you the more you eat vegetables and and bitters and have green juices and things like that.
01:08:31:12 – 01:08:48:02
Nathan Crane
Actually, pretty quickly for me and many people I’ve talked to, I’d like to know if it was true for you. But pretty quickly those things actually start to taste significantly better. They’ll never taste like a teaspoon of sugar. Right. But at first, like the bitters and all of that is kind of like, good, This is not very good.
01:08:48:08 – 01:09:06:07
Nathan Crane
But the more you have it, even in a week or two weeks time, what I notice is my body was like, Oh, I love this actually, you know, you know, the taste is strong. My body feels amazing. When I when I was drinking and when I drink it every day to this day.
01:09:06:07 – 01:09:22:21
Bill Buvens
I would voice the same thing as you the more that I drank. Although I will say even now, drinking two or three ounces of straight wheatgrass. It’s tough. Yeah, it’s strides. It’s powerful.
01:09:23:21 – 01:09:30:21
Nathan Crane
It reminded me I was doing a ton of wheatgrass a few years back, and it reminded me of, you know, mowing the lawn when I was a kid.
01:09:31:07 – 01:09:32:06
Bill Buvens
Yeah, it smells like.
01:09:32:19 – 01:09:38:24
Nathan Crane
Smells just like it. Yeah, And it’s like it. Yeah. And I actually. I actually like sweet grass. I, I, I have enjoyed it.
01:09:39:00 – 01:09:51:17
Bill Buvens
I love it. I love wheatgrass. I mean, I tell you what, I love life, because to me, wheatgrass is life. Yeah. I mean, if you ever watch wheatgrass go, you can almost watch that stuff grow. Yeah, they grow so fast. So.
01:09:51:18 – 01:10:00:08
Nathan Crane
And if you’re growing it yourself and you’re not letting it go to seed, then you can certain, you know, for people worried about gluten, the gluten is only in the seed, right? It’s not in the shaft.
01:10:00:08 – 01:10:01:01
Bill Buvens
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:10:01:02 – 01:10:11:13
Nathan Crane
And so you don’t have to worry about gluten especially you’re growing it yourself. It’s very easy and cheap to grow yourself to it. And it did you, did you start with one of those little hand metal wheatgrass juicers?
01:10:11:16 – 01:10:13:14
Bill Buvens
I had that electric single auger juicer.
01:10:13:14 – 01:10:25:11
Nathan Crane
So you started with that? Okay. Yeah. How quickly were you input? So you research this stuff and. And how soon within that ten days were you drinking juice and wheatgrass and doing all these things? Like how quickly?
01:10:25:23 – 01:10:31:04
Bill Buvens
Well, hey, ASAP, because I can, you know.
01:10:31:08 – 01:10:34:10
Nathan Crane
In coffee enemas re doing coffee enemas right away as well.
01:10:34:10 – 01:10:55:14
Bill Buvens
As soon as I read about the person doing that, that’s a really. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I’m going to do everything I do that’s going to I think that made sense to me that align with what my inner voice, my inner knowing, my inner knowing just felt right. It just felt like really question is so many often is what’s the truth?
01:10:56:02 – 01:11:20:23
Bill Buvens
What really is the truth? What we’re told or what we experience. But so, Nathan, after I started drinking the green juice, I started I started combining. I did what Jefferson said I had. I like Carrot Apple, and I started putting a lemon and ginger in that. I take carrot apple. Lemon Ginger is like, My God. Oh, is there anything that tastes best?
01:11:21:03 – 01:11:26:16
Bill Buvens
Is this I mean, that that the fact that that’s good for you is like, I mean, wow.
01:11:26:22 – 01:11:45:23
Nathan Crane
When the carrot, you know, I mean, there’s so high in antioxidants helping to fight free radicals in the body Apple’s, redoing green apples. Usually green apples tend to be more beneficial when you’re juicing. Yeah. You know, and I think that recipe is three large carrots per one, if I remember correctly.
01:11:46:06 – 01:11:48:14
Bill Buvens
Yeah, I know. I’ll be honest with you.
01:11:48:14 – 01:11:50:08
Nathan Crane
You’re just stuffing it in and just.
01:11:50:09 – 01:11:50:14
Bill Buvens
Yeah.
01:11:51:10 – 01:11:54:03
Nathan Crane
Just put it all in there. Yeah. I don’t blame.
01:11:54:03 – 01:11:56:18
Bill Buvens
Anybody any port in a storm, just having that.
01:11:56:21 – 01:12:02:06
Nathan Crane
And what was your green and what was your green juice like. So you were doing green juice as well. What were you putting in there. I know there’s.
01:12:02:06 – 01:12:32:06
Bill Buvens
A lot I know. Mm hmm. Excuse me. No charred dandelion greens, which is good for the liver. Yeah. Parsley. Two types of kale, celery. And I was buying whole beets, and I was putting the beat tops in. Yeah, And but I also add pure green juice as powerful. I mean, it’s not that tasty for me. I’m sorry, but, you know, hey, I would throw it through green.
01:12:32:06 – 01:12:55:23
Bill Buvens
I would throw a green apple. So. And just to cut the edge from a little bit because I think it was still good for me. And I will say this, I just came to my mind, Nathan, I know there is a lot of talk now, but a lot, a lot of very prominent people that cancer feeds off sugar and if you don’t have any carbohydrates, your body produces ketones, and a ketogenic diet is very anti-cancer.
01:12:55:23 – 01:13:16:00
Bill Buvens
Well, I don’t disagree that, but I would say I don’t think carrots are like on a ketogenic diet. But to me it’s more what the nutritional benefits are worth, the extra calories or whatever that may go against ketogenic in my in my opinion my experience.
01:13:16:02 – 01:13:52:13
Nathan Crane
Well well the Waubra if you study the Warburg effect actually that’s part of what he discovered is that cancer cells have a massively increased demand for glucose uptake, so they feed on sugar. Now, it was interesting in the kid genic community is they take that statement and the research around that and they they group all sugar is the same sugar and then say all sugar is bad for cancer whether you know, they say glucose, whether it comes from vegetables or not and like carrots, you know, when you juice them, you’re going to have a lot more glucose.
01:13:53:02 – 01:14:22:11
Nathan Crane
If You eat it, you get tons of fiber, right? If you do some, you get the same with apples. And so lots of fructose, lots of glucose in these fruits. So what’s interesting is that if you grouped them all together as bad sugars, one, you are not taking into account that the fruits and, vegetables that have natural glucose and fructose also have a tremendous amount of anti-cancer like properties like antioxidants.
01:14:22:11 – 01:14:47:01
Nathan Crane
Right. Which are helping to combat against free radicals. They have anti-inflammatory properties, many of them. So it’s reducing the chronic inflammation that leads to the cancer that the cancer produces in the body. They have minerals in vitamins and and phytonutrients and amino acids and all of these things that are necessary for the body to regenerate and heal and activate the immune system and fight cancer in the first place.
01:14:47:10 – 01:15:21:00
Nathan Crane
So you can’t group them together with all sugars and call them bad sugar. You can’t group fresh juice from carrots together with high fructose corn sirup. You just can’t do it. But unfortunately today, that’s what’s happened in a lot of the health community online. Now, I also wouldn’t say only drink fruit juice, fresh fruit juice, right. That’s why the Grayson protocol and many others implement a large amount of green vegetable juices and wheatgrass and spirulina and these kinds of things.
01:15:21:00 – 01:15:58:06
Nathan Crane
Because what I believe is actually happening is that even though the fructose and glucose that’s feeding the cancer from the fruit or vegetables that you’re juicing, you’re also coupling that together with all these incredible anti-cancer properties that are, you know, reducing angiogenesis, right. The new production of blood cells that feed cancer. So they have antiangiogenic cysts properties. They have a they help induce apoptosis, natural cancer, cell death.
01:15:58:06 – 01:16:35:13
Nathan Crane
So you’re also bringing food and anti-cancer properties together to destroy the cancer cells and the tumors and the cancer stem, which is what’s necessary for for cancer to regrow. So, you know, it made sense that person was having such amazing results with his therapies. And it’s kind of, I think, a disservice today when people, you know, group these things together, all bad sugars with, you know, things from fresh carrot juice and apple juice, for example, because they’re just they’re not the same thing at all.
01:16:36:04 – 01:17:00:15
Bill Buvens
Yes. I think what a lot of people with the ketogenic diet, they use it to lose weight. And if you’re losing it, if your goal is to lose weight, then, of course, calories and carbs is going to if you’re just pure ketogenic, just pure ketones, you’re going to lose weight faster. But if your goal is to eliminate a chronic disease like cancer, there’s other priorities that take effect.
01:17:00:15 – 01:17:13:01
Bill Buvens
Like you say, all the phytonutrients, the phytochemicals that come with those vegetables, those compounds will offset the disadvantage of some sugar, natural sugar. That was that was my point.
01:17:13:11 – 01:17:20:07
Nathan Crane
So how much green juice and and carrot apple juice were you drinking a day in the beginning?
01:17:20:11 – 01:17:40:16
Bill Buvens
That’s a good question. I was drinking six ounces of wheatgrass just three times a day. Two ounces, two ounces of two ounces. I was drinking about ten ounces of juice, about 8 to 10 ounces every hour. I was alternating carrot, apple, B ginger. And I was also throwing also on the finish, I thought Kerry apple be ginger and also my green juice.
01:17:40:18 – 01:18:15:04
Bill Buvens
With my green juice, I was adding spirulina and the wheatgrass and also I read that capsicum or what’s in hot peppers was very anti cancer so I bought habaneros and juice favorite excuse me my favorite. Yeah. And so with a single juicer I would just put Habaneros in a juice and I would catch it and I would pour it into a little dropper.
01:18:15:04 – 01:18:31:16
Bill Buvens
You would get like you get tinctures out of a dropper. So I had a dropper. I had a bottle forward dropper of human urges. So I would I would do a dropper of habanero into my juice as well. And I tell you what, dude, that would burn going down. I would definitely I would it with deathly burn going out.
01:18:31:16 – 01:18:46:07
Bill Buvens
It was like, wow. But again, I kept thinking, nothing tastes good, nothing feels as good as a feeling of being cancer free. You know, if it’s going to be, it’s up to me. Let’s just get it on because, hey, you know, what’s the what’s the priority? The priority is to survive the priority. Get rid of the thing. It’s not.
01:18:46:24 – 01:19:12:14
Bill Buvens
And as Einstein said, you can’t fix a problem with the same thinking that created it. So I got to start thinking a different way. So I was incorporating the habanero, the alternating green, green and carrot apple juice, and then incorporating coffee enemas. And at that point I was starting feel a lot better. They said, How quickly? Three, about three or four days after, you know, I jumped in.
01:19:12:15 – 01:19:13:03
Bill Buvens
I was like.
01:19:13:12 – 01:19:21:16
Nathan Crane
And did you stop eating all other food during this time? Was your drink a lot of juice or drinking, like, I don’t know, 100 plus ounces of juice a day. So with that.
01:19:21:16 – 01:19:30:24
Bill Buvens
I mean, probably drank about 93 quarts, 3 to 4 quarts of juice a day. Yeah, yeah. And, and all. But I, I, I also read but.
01:19:30:24 – 01:19:39:09
Nathan Crane
Where you eat it. But sorry, back to my question. Were you, did you stop eating any other food during that time? You were just basically on a juice cleanse or a juice feast is what I would call it.
01:19:39:18 – 01:19:59:22
Bill Buvens
Yes. I’m going to address that right now. Thank you. I’ve been sure I do. I read that it takes energy to digest. Yeah. To break the fibers down, to break the nutrients out of all the food. But I just entirely knew new. Hey, I’m needs to be all hands on deck. All the energy I get needs to go into healing and juicing.
01:19:59:22 – 01:20:22:09
Bill Buvens
Juicing is almost like mainlining life. It’s like it goes right in. So I just stopped eating solid food. I just did juice and spirulina. I did. I did my green juice, I did my apple juice. I did my wheatgrass juice. I did my spirulina every single day, spread out throughout the day. And I did my coffee enemas morning, noon and night every day I did that.
01:20:22:09 – 01:20:44:22
Bill Buvens
And then I started incorporating because I wanted to again to free up. And then I went to a Chinese doctor and learned Ki zhang for the movement yoga, you know, qigong. Yeah. And then I began to research herbs and maybe start making herbal teas. And the one or by God, it was called Sangre Grotto. It’s called Dragon’s Blood.
01:20:44:22 – 01:21:02:13
Bill Buvens
It’s very good. The Native American excuse me, the South American Indians use it to coagulate blood. So I put I sort of putting that into an animal with water to hopefully begin to stop the bleeding as much from my tumor, my colon, so I could begin to get the whole goal was to get my hemoglobin up quicker. Yeah, you know, about a third of bacteria.
01:21:02:13 – 01:21:23:19
Bill Buvens
QUESTION The third or fourth day, as I started walking up the stairs at my house again, it was like I didn’t have to lay down. When I got to my bed, I said, Hey, wow, wow. Okay. As soon as I felt that Nathan, I can’t tell you there was a spark of hope. You know, a minute, something really going on here.
01:21:24:05 – 01:21:46:14
Bill Buvens
And I said, Wait a minute, I got to be real. I got to be honest with myself, because the only truth is going to set me literally the path to be cancer free. But this way. And then I started. I started. I started exercising. I got where I can. I can start riding my bike again. And I remember I’d have to go out and I have to walk back somewhat.
01:21:46:18 – 01:22:13:20
Bill Buvens
And I started walking again. And after about the eighth or ninth day, no, it was the seventh day after seventh day from getting that first blood test I started. I was feeling reborn. I mean, I was honestly feeling great compared to how I had been feeling seven days earlier. It was like, wow. And but in three more days I get myself ten days.
01:22:13:20 – 01:22:26:01
Bill Buvens
When I was going to go see the surgeon again, I was going to go see the oncologist and tell him, you know, am I in or am I out again? I both. I need some time to think this over and I’ll get back to you because I know I got to do something, but I’ll do my own research, too.
01:22:26:01 – 01:22:46:17
Bill Buvens
I would do my I basically my body became my own lab for, Hey, what are you going to do? It’s like, hey, you know, what’s the alternative? I didn’t like the alternative. I you know, that was not an option. Death was like death was off the table was not an option. So at the summer day, I was feeling really good.
01:22:47:14 – 01:23:08:19
Bill Buvens
So I called the doctor back that did the original blood test, and I scheduled another blood test on the ninth day to see it was I need to know for sure I need to look in black and white. Is something really going on inside my body or my just placebo? I just sort of convinced myself it felt so real.
01:23:08:19 – 01:23:27:24
Bill Buvens
I felt so much better and it was a fact I didn’t have to lay down. I took the steps up the stairs in my steps. I can start to feel strength and my leg muscles, whereas before they felt weak and I wouldn’t be able to really push very hard. I would throw myself almost bounding up the stairs and that was I mean, that was not imagination.
01:23:28:10 – 01:23:46:01
Bill Buvens
I mean, that was real. But I needed to know for sure because I wanted to be sure When I saw those doctors on the 10th day I could talk with my own truth experience. And so would you like me to show those blood tests so people can see exactly what I’m talking about?
01:23:46:16 – 01:23:55:13
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Yeah, we can describe them for people who are only listening as well. But yeah, for sure. If you want to share your screen, go ahead.
01:23:56:01 – 01:24:27:04
Bill Buvens
Okay, let’s do that. Let’s see here. I’m going to pull this. Can you see this? Can you see this blood test right here? Yup. Okay. This this was on March 20th, 2001. It followed 2 p.m.. I got home when the doctor, the nurse called me about 530 and H-E-B 5.7 normal range 13 to 17 and. And you can see my white blood count is pretty high up there.
01:24:27:24 – 01:24:48:00
Bill Buvens
And my RBC, which is red blood count it’s it’s it’s below that’s, that’s the it’s how red blood cells you have each CTE is hermetic grit that’s the ratio of red blood to overall blood it was less than 20 normal is 37 to 49 and that’s how they catch a lot of these Tour de France racers when when they doped to increase blood.
01:24:48:10 – 01:25:07:14
Bill Buvens
If their hematocrit is above 50, they know they’re doping because not it’s not natural. So mine was 19, so I had no red blood. The MKV and the MSI, HNC that’s all about. That’s about the density, how much hemoglobin, how dense hemo hemoglobin is in your red blood cells.
01:25:07:17 – 01:25:13:07
Nathan Crane
And all of those are really, really low. We’ve all really way, way below the normal range.
01:25:13:07 – 01:25:37:11
Bill Buvens
Yeah, yeah. Red blood count, low, low normal, hemoglobin below normal, dramatically below normal. MCI, MCI, MTV, AMC, HD. Though all the the hemoglobin, again, is the red blood that carries the oxygen from your lungs through your arteries to your cells. Well, that’s exactly right. Okay. So then now so I went in on the ninth day and I got another ticket, another blood test.
01:25:37:18 – 01:26:16:14
Bill Buvens
And now that I knew that they they did the test right there in their office, I, I decided I was going to just wait for the blood test because I really want to know what the heck is going on here. So I waited and about 30 later, she pulls out the blood test. She sends it to me, and here it is right here, March 29th, nine days later for 29, when I looked down and I saw 10.9, I got to tell you, Nathan, even though, God, it’s hard to keep, I could tell you, dude, when I saw 10.9 Mm, it was like, yes.
01:26:17:08 – 01:26:21:12
Nathan Crane
Yes, doubled it. You doubled it in ten days.
01:26:21:12 – 01:26:29:06
Bill Buvens
Nine days, dude. And okay, let’s look here, Maya, let’s pull over here. My red one, count.
01:26:29:07 – 01:26:32:01
Nathan Crane
Up ten points. Blood count is up.
01:26:32:24 – 01:27:00:09
Bill Buvens
I got to look at my rhythm. A number of red blood cells went up about almost 40%. My hemoglobin almost 100%. My hematocrit, but 75%. The amount of the amount of hemoglobin inside my cells went up. But look here. My white blood count before was 9.2. Not here to drop to 3.7. Yeah, but look at my lymphocytes and my monocytes.
01:27:00:09 – 01:27:03:15
Bill Buvens
My, my, really, my my army. My, my. Hey, my immune.
01:27:03:15 – 01:27:03:24
Nathan Crane
System.
01:27:03:24 – 01:27:09:19
Bill Buvens
Warriors. My warriors were from 10.9 to 27. My monocytes went from 2.2 to 6.1.
01:27:09:19 – 01:27:11:18
Nathan Crane
Do they all got activated? Yeah.
01:27:12:02 – 01:27:25:09
Bill Buvens
It was like, Hey. Oh, it was just waiting for me to do something about it when I saw this blood test. I mean, I can’t tell you. It was like, you know what? When I saw that, I almost broke into tears there in the doctor’s office.
01:27:25:09 – 01:27:26:04
Nathan Crane
That’s amazing.
01:27:26:09 – 01:27:51:11
Bill Buvens
Does that mean you’re talking about life? We’re talking about. We’re not talking about trimming your fingernails. We’re talking life and death and when I saw that when I saw that, it was like, oh, yeah, but you know what? Even though this this resultant hemoglobin going from 5.7, that even though that was wonderful, more important, Nathan was knowing that what I was doing was working.
01:27:51:12 – 01:27:51:22
Nathan Crane
Right.
01:27:52:24 – 01:28:18:11
Bill Buvens
I was at that point I felt like I did when I was in that parking lot, when I thought a crazy horse, you know, today is a good day to fight. I said, Yes at that. When I saw that 10.9, I said, Hey, I was 100% certain that I was going to be cancer free. It it didn’t matter what I needed to do.
01:28:18:11 – 01:28:37:22
Bill Buvens
I knew that I was on a path. I knew that there was something working here or whatever it was I was going to make it. I was going to if I had gone, I had no doubts. And I think that confidence of knowing, yeah, that that that I it to me that that that knowing that is super powerful.
01:28:38:06 – 01:28:58:06
Bill Buvens
Hmm. Because because to me is when you know and by the way we’ll go on a little bit later but I identified to myself seven good You know Wahlberg’s primary cause of cancer, the loss of the oxidation and the fermentation of the cells causing causing, and also it’s a dysfunction in the mitochondria. We could talk a little bit later.
01:28:58:06 – 01:29:15:15
Bill Buvens
Right. So but I did all this research because I was like, Hey, you got to pay as a hypocrite. He says, If you’re not your own doctor, you are a fool. I’m not saying go get a medical degree, but hey, learn about what your body learn and what it needs because, hey, the greatest health care is self care.
01:29:16:08 – 01:29:40:01
Bill Buvens
At least be knowledgeable about it and don’t just take people’s opinion when it’s your life on. The line. So when I saw that 10.9 and knew that I felt so good, and then I saw the next day, the 10th day, now I went back to see the surgeon and I had my two blood tests and I went in to see the surgeon and he said, Okay, you ready for surgery?
01:29:40:21 – 01:29:59:01
Bill Buvens
I said, This is exactly the way I said it. This is exactly what went down. I’m not so sure. Take a look at this. I should know about the blood test. He looked them both and he said, I am so glad you got a transfusion. I was so worried about you. And I said I didn’t get a transfusion.
01:30:00:01 – 01:30:02:20
Bill Buvens
He said, Well, what did you do? I tried to tell him about.
01:30:04:01 – 01:30:04:05
Nathan Crane
This.
01:30:04:16 – 01:30:05:10
Bill Buvens
Side footedness.
01:30:05:11 – 01:30:08:00
Nathan Crane
I can imagine how that conversation went, right? Yeah.
01:30:08:07 – 01:30:20:08
Bill Buvens
Oh, it was. It was just this, this, this. This is a mistake. This is impossible. But it was.
01:30:20:16 – 01:30:29:20
Nathan Crane
Did you tell him? Yeah. Doing wheatgrass juices and green juice and this. And carrot and apple juice and I’m doing this. And did you tell him all of it And what was his response?
01:30:30:01 – 01:30:43:09
Bill Buvens
Well, no. Someone says there’s a mistake. This is impossible. You know, I realize it’s very hard for someone to believe something when their education, their life’s work and, their financial future depends on not believing it.
01:30:43:16 – 01:30:44:00
Nathan Crane
Right.
01:30:44:14 – 01:31:13:11
Bill Buvens
That point in time, it’s like talking to the wind. Yeah, well, all I know was I wasn’t ready for surgery. And Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote Do not go where the path may lead. Go instead where there is no path and leave a trail. And at that point I realized I need to make my own path here. So I.
01:31:13:11 – 01:31:33:21
Bill Buvens
I left and then I got my car and drove right over to the oncologist because I had scheduling back to back. So I went in to see the oncologist and I was waiting in his patient room and he came in. I can say anything. He started talking to me. He said, Hey, I talked to somebody in M.D. Harrison in Houston, and there’s a great surgeon there that can do that.
01:31:33:21 – 01:31:52:24
Bill Buvens
Can I help you with your liver? They can do a liver resection. You sort of talk to me about getting my liver resected. And then he started talking about chemotherapy. And because he knew I’d just come from the surgeon. So he said, So when did you schedule your surgery? And this is a is exactly I didn’t schedule my surgery.
01:31:52:24 – 01:32:09:00
Bill Buvens
And to be honest, I’m not so sure I’m going to take a look at this is exactly the way I said it. That same Tony. That was exactly it. Nathan And he looked at it. He was not uncomfortable. Hematologist So when he looked at those the March 20th and then the March 29th, his eyes were going back and forth, back and forth.
01:32:09:00 – 01:32:30:13
Bill Buvens
I could see he was and he, he was really able to dig down not just the hemoglobin. He he could explain me by, Hey, you’ve got more red blood cells. They’re bigger, there’s more, they’re more dense and there’s more hemoglobin. And then he said, What do you do? So I started talking to him about, you know, the similarity between hemoglobin and Chlorophyl.
01:32:30:13 – 01:32:56:19
Bill Buvens
And that’s and he said, I’ve seen things I’d have to call a miracle, and I had to put this over to that category. And that was a lot different reaction than the other doctor. And at that point, as I was sitting in the oncologist office, it came to me and again, what to do. And I said to the oncologist said, I think I’m on to something here.
01:32:57:22 – 01:33:13:04
Bill Buvens
I’m not quite sure where it’s going to lead me, but I like the direction I’m headed. I’m feeling better. I’m not going to do what you think I should do. But even though I’m not, would you please, please still see me every three or four weeks, Run tests on me to be sure. I just don’t go walking kill myself.
01:33:14:02 – 01:33:17:05
Nathan Crane
Was really smart, really smart thing to do because.
01:33:17:05 – 01:33:36:15
Bill Buvens
I knew I needed. Hey, I can’t call the radiologist. They give me a CT scan, give me an ultrasound. I need a doctor to order these things. I need to have somebody on my team that was a willing participant, that was willing to at least become part of my team, because it’s important to build the team that you trust that’s aligned with your with your life.
01:33:37:05 – 01:34:04:00
Bill Buvens
So he said to his credit, he said yes, and I appreciate him. And I’ll say this the diagnostic tools I think are very good. Now, the interpretation of the tools, that’s another issue. But the tools themselves, I wanted the information so I could figure out I can I got where I could really understand this stuff and stuff. I couldn’t stand to ask him, What’s listening?
01:34:04:00 – 01:34:28:13
Bill Buvens
What’s that music has I got what I just used? I use the doctors as a vehicle to help educate myself about my own health, my own path, and to get cancer free. So I left his office and then I went back the next day. I started researching again and I came across Dr. William Donald Kelly and I started reading and I was able to download his book.
01:34:28:16 – 01:35:00:01
Bill Buvens
One answer for online, and he started talking about proteolytic enzymes, which are protein digesting enzymes. And the theory I read and he he it read a Scottish embryologist named John Beard back in the early 1900s, and he had done a lot of research testing cancer with with proteolytic enzymes and how they began to expose cancer cells. So the immune system, we could begin to zero in and start attacking the cancer cells.
01:35:00:16 – 01:35:20:08
Bill Buvens
And and I what I but Dr. Kelly was also doing the juices from Garrison. He was doing copy animals. So there was some commonality there. But this idea of a proteolytic enzyme for Dr. Kelly, this started making a lot of sense to me. And I said, You know what? I think I’m pulling stuff together, I’m feeling good about this path.
01:35:20:11 – 01:35:38:12
Bill Buvens
Bring it together here. And so then I sort of got online and started researching proteolytic enzymes. So I wanted the best protein protein that just an enzyme and I, I came across this one company and I called them on the phone and I was talking to the guy who was talking to the the man was talking on the phone.
01:35:38:12 – 01:35:59:17
Bill Buvens
I said, Yeah, I’m looking for the best proteolytic enzyme. I read a book called One Answer from Cancer by Dr. William Donald Kelly. And I want to get started talking about Dr. Kelly. And he made a comment back to my Dr. Kelly that I had told him. I said, You seem to know a lot about Dr. Kelly. I mean, how do you know so much about Dr. Kelly?
01:36:00:07 – 01:36:27:14
Bill Buvens
And it’s like silence. And then he said, he’s my dad. I kid, You know what? There’s a great quote. When you make a commitment, Providence moves to bring you what you need. Unseen forces come to help you with material. All things come. And I think, again, this gets back to spirituality. There’s stuff going out out there that will make a commitment forces come to bear to bring to us what we could need.
01:36:27:14 – 01:36:31:16
Bill Buvens
If we’re open to that and we live in life expectancy. Does that make sense?
01:36:31:16 – 01:36:33:23
Nathan Crane
Nathan 100%.
01:36:33:23 – 01:36:35:18
Bill Buvens
I mean, so excuse me, sir.
01:36:36:15 – 01:36:56:13
Nathan Crane
I was just saying 100%. I’ve seen it in my own life so many times that when I make a heartfelt towards something, whether it’s my health or, you know, my children or, you know, something in my business, whatever it is, and a really heartfelt commitment, and I get focused it and passionate about it and committed to it and take action every day.
01:36:56:13 – 01:37:21:09
Nathan Crane
And I’m thinking about it. That’s what happens. Doors open and I meet people and conversations happen and start to line up. But it requires that sense of commitment and focus and determination and taking action in that direction. And I’ve seen it, you know, dozens of times in my own life. So I truly, truly believe it. And then I really feel it and see the universe comes to support you in.
01:37:21:16 – 01:37:22:05
Bill Buvens
Your.
01:37:22:20 – 01:37:24:00
Nathan Crane
What you’re trying to achieve.
01:37:25:08 – 01:37:53:14
Bill Buvens
Exactly. Exactly. So I said, Mom, you’re Dr. Kelly’s son. I’d sure like to talk to Dr. Kelly. You might give me his phone number. Quiet again. He said, Do you have a pen? So I wrote Dr. Kelly’s phone number. Now, I looked online to our area code and I could see what it was, was the country and somewhere in Kansas.
01:37:54:24 – 01:38:19:07
Bill Buvens
So the next day and I wish I had recorded the phone call. I remember it like it was 5 seconds ago. I called this phone number and it rang and rang. It rang like 20 times, but I, I was on the phone. It kept I kept ringing and finally I heard this voice go, Hello, very gruff. I’ll speak to Dr. Kelly, please.
01:38:20:17 – 01:38:48:12
Bill Buvens
Who’s calling and why are you calling just like that. And I subsequently had research, Dr. Kelly, that learned that he had been termed a quack. He had been driven out, he’d been hounded. And to me, from my experience, what I know, which is considerable, he is a giant in the metabolic cancer therapy cure, is the man. The man is my hero.
01:38:48:22 – 01:39:12:06
Bill Buvens
Matt is my hero. What a great guy. What a great guy. So I said, I introduced myself. I said, Dr. Kelly, my name’s Phil Bevins. I read your book. I actually was searching for Paula Jones. I found your son in your son. Give me your number. I really like to talk to you. I said, You know, I’ve talked to doctors, but they told me I’ve got stage four colon and liver cancer and they’ve given me six months to live.
01:39:12:06 – 01:39:36:15
Bill Buvens
And they told me if I do everything they want, the odds of me surviving five years is still less than 20%. And I don’t believe them. I’m having good success and I want to talk to you to see what so I can talk to you. Sir. At that point, once he realized that I was sincere, he flipped. He was so nice, he was so nice, so warm, so engaging.
01:39:37:01 – 01:39:54:22
Bill Buvens
And to talk to Dr. Kelly again, that whole thing, when you make a commitment, life brings you. I mean, can you imagine a off life? I’m on that golf course and the voice in her voice says, Go catch those guys. And the guy tells me, you got a problem with your liver. I would have never known that that guy was a medic.
01:39:55:02 – 01:40:12:20
Bill Buvens
I mean, it was his job during Vietnam War to save people’s lives in battle. And there he was saving. I wish I knew that. I wish I could take that guy right now. I might have that guy my life back on the golf course. Mm. And then. And then what are the odds of me? Colin and Colin, a company and Dr. Kelly’s son.
01:40:12:20 – 01:40:33:15
Bill Buvens
I mean, what I mean, what are the chances of that? And I’m talking to Dr. Kelly. I mean, who is a giant, in my opinion. I mean, and so I talked to Dr. Kelly and we had a great conversation, and he was talking about the conspiracy with enzymes. He thought climate trypsin was really good it was a conspiracy against kind of trips.
01:40:33:15 – 01:40:58:08
Bill Buvens
And he like kind of trips. It was very good political zone. And then I remember he he said, son, you just do everything we’ve talked about here, son. You’re going to be just fine. You don’t worry about his son. You’re going to be just fine. And Dr. Kelly, he was diagnosed with stage four pancreatic cancer, which is the worst of the worst, right?
01:40:59:01 – 01:41:03:17
Bill Buvens
Like that time and 50,000 were diagnosed every year. 50,000 died every year.
01:41:03:17 – 01:41:10:05
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Very aggressive. And the very, very bad prognosis for most people.
01:41:10:05 – 01:41:29:22
Bill Buvens
Yep. Yeah, it’s it’s pretty much always, always fatal. Yeah. And a lot of famous movie stars have died from that. And so he healed healing himself with this protocol and and him telling me I’m going to be just fine. It carried a lot of weight.
01:41:30:14 – 01:41:40:19
Nathan Crane
So it was the protocol that he he used and that he recommended to you was basically everything you were already doing, plus proteolytic enzymes, or was there a lot more that you added?
01:41:40:23 – 01:42:10:08
Bill Buvens
That’s a great question, Nathan, and I didn’t record the call, but I remember I didn’t do anything different. I told him I was the one. He said, That sounds good. So that sounds good. Just doing that. And then he was well, one thing he really talked about, he talked about the pancreas, the pancreas. Whereas with Jefferson, the liver was the most important organ to keep to the parenteral digestion, to break down the tumor through the bloodstream, carrying to the to the liver, to keep detoxing liberal copy animals.
01:42:10:21 – 01:42:24:05
Bill Buvens
Dr. KELLY You thought that the pancreas was way really important. I remember and he told me, Son, you just do everything we’ve talked about here and you go to your doctor’s funeral. That’s exactly what I did. I went to my doctor’s funeral. Wow.
01:42:25:14 – 01:42:29:07
Nathan Crane
And did you did you add in proteolytic enzymes at that point or. No?
01:42:29:16 – 01:43:00:16
Bill Buvens
Yeah, absolutely, sir. Absolutely. I got pretty like, enzymes. And then I shifted to a neutral colleghi brand. They were organic, kind of like museum one or something like that. I remember. I think that might have been pork or lamb, but I was I was concerned about that. I was concerned about the high quality of like enzyme. I believe I was taking 36 a day, six at a time, 3 hours apart.
01:43:00:16 – 01:43:19:15
Bill Buvens
I’d take six. I had my I don’t hear it here right now. I had my protocol sheet, I had a spreadsheet I built out from 6 a.m. to 11 p.m. every hour. What I would do every single hour I had all laid out just going through it all 6:00 enzymes, 9:00 enzymes, 12:00 enzymes, 3:00 enzymes, 6:00 9:00 enzymes and all that.
01:43:19:23 – 01:43:39:12
Bill Buvens
And I had to I was doing my juices when I was doing my animals, what I got. And I also then start incorporating herbs and herbal teas of very and there was a Hoxie formula. I looked at what was in the Hoxie formula, burdock root thought things. So I started I started getting my own herbs and making my own combination of teas.
01:43:39:21 – 01:44:06:13
Bill Buvens
Chaparral, which is very, very powerful. Chaparral, burdock, root, yellow doc, red blossom, no red clover blossom. There was six herbs I was put in again because we can get a lot of phytonutrients through herbs and teas. We can’t get through food. And these are very anti cancer chemicals.
01:44:06:22 – 01:44:09:24
Nathan Crane
What were you doing with your food? So, so obviously you.
01:44:09:24 – 01:44:10:06
Bill Buvens
Did.
01:44:10:14 – 01:44:15:15
Nathan Crane
For that ten days you were doing all juice, but for how long did you go on that juice feast with no food?
01:44:16:07 – 01:44:16:22
Bill Buvens
90.
01:44:17:07 – 01:44:18:16
Nathan Crane
So you did 90 days. Okay.
01:44:19:04 – 01:44:19:23
Bill Buvens
90 days.
01:44:20:16 – 01:44:28:23
Nathan Crane
And what happened after 90 days when you went back in and got your you went got retest, you got your test done after 90 days, Right.
01:44:30:03 – 01:44:32:00
Bill Buvens
What what test? You don’t know.
01:44:32:00 – 01:44:37:22
Nathan Crane
Did you when did you go when did you go back in for your follow up with your oncologist to get your.
01:44:37:22 – 01:45:02:08
Bill Buvens
Well, yeah. Yeah. Well I was getting blood test but I couldn’t get my hemoglobin much. Over around 12 we get up to 12, which is still a little bit low. But during that time on just the carrot apple juice, green juice, spirulina and wheatgrass, I got to my wife again and I started writing again and, oh, I mean, lands, arm, limbs, arms.
01:45:02:08 – 01:45:24:14
Bill Buvens
Lance Armstrong trained out here in the Austin. He’s live in Austin. It’s very good training for bicycles. I got where I could ride 50 miles through the Texas Hill country on my bicycle with just the juices and spirulina. I wasn’t taking protein powder, wasn’t doing any of that. Just wow, giving my body what it needed and taking out about what it didn’t need.
01:45:24:20 – 01:45:31:19
Nathan Crane
Did you have were you overweight at that point? What was your body like and did you lose a lot of weight or did you maintain weight? What was that like?
01:45:32:07 – 01:45:43:16
Bill Buvens
That’s a great question, Nathan. When I was diagnosed, I weighed £203. When I finished, I got down to £150.
01:45:43:18 – 01:45:45:01
Nathan Crane
And how how tall are you?
01:45:45:21 – 01:45:47:16
Bill Buvens
Six feet zero.
01:45:48:02 – 01:46:07:04
Nathan Crane
Okay. So you were pretty pretty skinny at 150, but 200 at 150. You know, if muscle or if that’s fat, that makes a big difference. I mean, 206 foot. So I don’t know. It was that mostly excess fat or was there You had a lot of muscle.
01:46:07:04 – 01:46:09:21
Bill Buvens
I had excess weight on the strip, so to speak.
01:46:10:05 – 01:46:10:13
Nathan Crane
Yeah.
01:46:10:24 – 01:46:31:11
Bill Buvens
Yeah. Oh, yeah. It was because, you know, if I had if I didn’t have that I haven’t been eating properly, might not have ended up where I did. Sure. Of course that, that was also a combination of not proper and then proper rest and stress and all those other things. But yeah. So I got worried. But when I was seeing the doctor, I see an oncologist about every three or four weeks.
01:46:31:23 – 01:46:51:05
Bill Buvens
He was getting reports and writing them and I would look at them and he was right in there. You know, I advise Mr. Bevins that metastatic colon cancer is almost always fatal, and he should. He was trying to advise me to do the conventional approach because I mean, it was his job to even make sure that somebody in his care, he was advised with what he should do.
01:46:51:06 – 01:47:16:20
Nathan Crane
Well, there’s part of that is a caring doctor and the other part is, as Dr. Francisco Contreras has told me, who is a medical doctor who implements integrative approaches that clinics in Mexico actually, because they can do a lot more there that they can’t do in the U.S. He says, look, we’re trained. We have to say these things to you as a patient to cover ourselves for insurance, because if you and I don’t tell you this, then I can get sued.
01:47:17:05 – 01:47:21:21
Nathan Crane
So a lot of that is just to cover themselves for insurance in case you die, you know?
01:47:22:08 – 01:47:26:21
Bill Buvens
Right. Exactly. It’s a business. Yeah, I get that. So I.
01:47:29:13 – 01:47:31:02
Nathan Crane
Bet. Sounds like he cared about you, though.
01:47:31:20 – 01:48:00:09
Bill Buvens
He was a good man. And ironically, I just thought of this. A good friend of mine was diagnosed with stage four melanoma, and they came to me. They knew my story. I told them what they could do, and their doctor was the same oncologist. Hmm. Interesting. And it saddens me to think about it, but she’s no longer with us.
01:48:00:18 – 01:48:29:20
Bill Buvens
Mm. Oh, but I respect everybody’s right to choose their own path of what they want to do because it’s their life. But I trusted my body, like giving it and giving my body a chance. I think that’s because I think it’s Albert Schweitzer, the doctor. I was Schweitzer. He’s got a great quote. We doctors, we do nothing. We can only help encourage the doctor within.
01:48:31:03 – 01:49:08:01
Bill Buvens
So it’s nature. It’s the body that heals. A good doctor can encourage, but it’s the body that heals. It’s a matter of us setting up the conditions in our body so it can heal. And I think healing comes from the right rest. Knowing the stress, boosting immune system, incorporating phytonutrients and phytochemicals that are going to help either diminish angiogenesis, the blood supply to the tumors, just all these things and the coffee enemas to help the liver so the liver can begin to break things down that comes through the bloodstream and just the bloodstream with nutrients, with fresh live enzymes from juices.
01:49:08:09 – 01:49:34:04
Bill Buvens
And if you incorporated, which I did, the proteolytic enzymes, you have more enzymes that are helping with breaking down of the cancer, the tumor, so the immune system could begin to target it. And that’s why I believe and I’m sure if Jefferson would here, he would agree and he does it. He says that in that 1956 PDF article on his vacation, Escondido, that’s why he incorporated coffee enemas.
01:49:34:12 – 01:50:00:00
Bill Buvens
So I believe if someone is using proteolytic enzymes and they’re effective in breaking down the tumor going liver, it’s absolutely essential that they use they do a lot of coffee enemas because Gerson had patients dying of liver toxicity until he started using a lot of coffee enemas. So I think that is just an essential thing in part to balance the scale, to balance this breaking down, but getting out quickly.
01:50:00:12 – 01:50:27:06
Bill Buvens
Yeah, take the load off the body. But all of this was can we now see this right now all of this is well and good, but and I, I’ve seen YouTubes of very famous doctors saying things like, you know, we could just get people to do a water fast or fast. We can help cure the stuff. And that’s the key.
01:50:27:06 – 01:51:03:12
Bill Buvens
It was I think it was nice. Are you familiar with who? Max Planck. Yeah. Okay. The father of quantum mechanics, quantum physics. He’s one of my heroes. I like Max Planck. Max. Max said, Let me see what Max said. I’ve got a kosher by Max science cannot solve the mystery of nature. And that is because in the last analysis, we ourselves are a part of the mystery we’re trying to solve and hypocrisies the father medicine, he said.
01:51:03:21 – 01:51:31:07
Bill Buvens
It’s more important to know what sort of person has a disease then what sort of disease a person has. Both of those great men are coming up from the same point of view. It’s it’s to the individual. You have to you have to Max Planck. Max Planck also said basically spirit is the original basis of all matter, reality and true existence.
01:51:31:07 – 01:51:34:07
Bill Buvens
That’s Max Planck, one of the foremost physicists ever.
01:51:34:07 – 01:51:57:09
Nathan Crane
German, German, German physicist, scientist. Right. Bringing in the same with Einstein. Einstein had a strong belief in affinity for a spiritual dimension. And it’s funny how science has become this dichotomy away from the spiritual when in fact, but for a very long time, science and spiritual were were very much, you know, molded, were very much in harmony together.
01:51:57:14 – 01:52:33:09
Bill Buvens
Absolutely. Nathan As a matter of fact, Max Planck was there in Berlin, and he got handed a paper by some patent clerk in Berlin, and he read it and he said, Hey, this guy is this is awesome. Let’s get him up here. That guy was Albert Einstein. So Max Planck, the one that basically brought I mean, I mean, when Max Planck died, Albert Einstein, he was, you know, he Einstein helped Planck in the very highest regard anybody but, but, but, and, and Einstein had said imagination is everything.
01:52:33:09 – 01:52:41:11
Bill Buvens
It is the preview of life’s coming attractions. Imagination is everything. It’s the preview of life’s coming attractions.
01:52:41:11 – 01:53:01:03
Nathan Crane
I actually have that on a quote, a picture of Einstein right over here in my office, because it’s it’s such a powerful quote that he said. But I want to ask you because we’re actually we only have a couple of minutes left, from what I understand of your story, how long it was six months. Right. Is that accurate?
01:53:01:03 – 01:53:06:18
Nathan Crane
You were it took about six months of this before you were considered completely cancer free. Is that right?
01:53:07:03 – 01:53:08:19
Bill Buvens
Well, now that’s a good question.
01:53:08:19 – 01:53:10:09
Nathan Crane
Or how long or how long did it take?
01:53:10:09 – 01:53:13:20
Bill Buvens
Yeah. Yeah. I’m sorry. I didn’t know where I was. I thought we had more time. I apologize.
01:53:14:04 – 01:53:21:20
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I mean, I actually I’d love to do a follow up part to that because there’s so much more I’d like to ask you, too, but I’m French.
01:53:21:20 – 01:53:54:10
Bill Buvens
And that’s cool. I’m here. I’m here for you and for anyone who would like to listen also. But after about six months, I was getting scans and my tumor was getting smaller and smaller and I was getting stronger and stronger. And then I began to get tired of being so hardcore. Mm. Not tired, but hey, you know, after 90 days of juice I started ketogenic and all that, I didn’t know what that meant.
01:53:54:10 – 01:54:17:08
Bill Buvens
Then I just googled. I knew that cancer fed off sugar, so I googled low glycemic foods with the glycemic index. So I figured I want foods that don’t spike my sugar, don’t feed the cancer, but also could give me nutrition. And I think there’s a Joel Furman who’s got a great formula at Chico’s and oversee health is nutrition over calories which is I take that almost like equals MC square.
01:54:17:13 – 01:54:41:10
Bill Buvens
You know it’s a simple profound relationship. And that’s actually what I looked at. I said, okay, what can I bring in that’s going to give me the most nutrition for the least amount of. And it was it was it was basically raw. I did all wrong. No meat, no meat, no dairy, all raw and salads and soups. And now Gerson did have oatmeal in the mornings, people.
01:54:41:10 – 01:55:05:12
Bill Buvens
So I had oatmeal with with fresh berries, blueberries and strawberries. I would have that in the morning with my juices and then then salads and then but and also one thing Dr. Kelly told me, if everybody would stop eating meat after 6 p.m., half of cancer would go away. Hmm. That’s what Dr. Kelly told me. And so after about eight or nine months, I did it.
01:55:05:22 – 01:55:33:12
Bill Buvens
It was like six, six, seven months. I started eating some pastas and some other foods that I enjoyed, And the next CT scan, my tumor, I think, went from four centimeters to seven centimeters, went bigger. And I said, Oh, on, I was so disappointed myself. I can’t tell you, Nathan. And then I, I it was, it was like October from like seven months later, six or seven.
01:55:33:12 – 01:55:49:23
Bill Buvens
So I called the surgeon back. I said, Hey, I want to do surgery because I had this tumor in me. And I didn’t know it was a pain. I didn’t have a crystal ball and I couldn’t get back up to my protocol and maybe break it back down again. But, hey, I just let me get this thing out of here right now.
01:55:50:09 – 01:55:54:19
Nathan Crane
Well, what was the size when you started? And then what was the smallest it had gotten down to?
01:55:54:19 – 01:56:04:11
Bill Buvens
Well, for I looked at the medical reports because you had asked my priority. I looked at I mean, I think it got down to four centimeters. I think it was up ten centimeters.
01:56:04:13 – 01:56:08:14
Nathan Crane
So started at ten. You basically shrunk it down over half.
01:56:08:14 – 01:56:21:03
Bill Buvens
Shrunk it. Yeah. And then went back up to about four. But, but so I called I called the surgeon and he, he told me after the fact when he called me, he, he was sure I was a goner. He was sure because he he’s, you know, he’s.
01:56:21:21 – 01:56:23:07
Nathan Crane
This was ten months later right.
01:56:23:15 – 01:56:25:14
Bill Buvens
Now. This was about seven months later.
01:56:25:16 – 01:56:34:16
Nathan Crane
Seven months later. Okay. Yeah. And he gave you six months to live if you did nothing. Yeah, but you felt amazing. You shrank the tumor by over half.
01:56:35:02 – 01:56:45:08
Bill Buvens
Right? So. But. But then. But then I. But then, but then it got it deviated somewhat. I did it in my diet and then I called him up.
01:56:45:08 – 01:56:57:16
Nathan Crane
He say you’re sorry when you say you added pasta back in, what What were the things that you added. But did you add in meat, dairy and cheese pastas. What like what, what were the things that you added in and what were the things you stopped doing from there?
01:56:58:04 – 01:57:17:17
Bill Buvens
That’s that’s a great question. And I’m I’m straight as the day is long and I don’t remember exactly, to be honest with you, but I know I wasn’t eating meat, that’s for sure. I wasn’t eating meat, but I remember it was just I remember what I recall mostly is pastas. That’s what I remember as pastors.
01:57:17:17 – 01:57:22:07
Nathan Crane
And did you stop like a lot of the juicing and all of that as well, or were you doing some of it?
01:57:22:14 – 01:57:24:23
Bill Buvens
Most of it. I stopped as much, though.
01:57:25:06 – 01:57:26:21
Nathan Crane
You Stopped and stopped a lot of it.
01:57:27:01 – 01:57:45:06
Bill Buvens
But stopped as much. Yes, I stopped. I deviated somewhat. And but when I saw it get bigger, I figured, okay, this may be a ticking time. Well, let me go in and get this thing out of here and move forward from there. So I called, called a surgeon, and he scheduled the surgery. And sort of after the fact, he said, I was sure you were going right.
01:57:45:23 – 01:58:07:23
Bill Buvens
But then he did tell me after the fact when he cut me open to do the resection of the the tumor that was there in my colon, he said he expected to be able to take one look, close me up and some people to die. But somebody opened me up. He was shocked. There was this a mass. The biopsy said it was it was cell necrosis.
01:58:07:23 – 01:58:10:24
Bill Buvens
It was a bunch of dead cells. He said it looked like a catalyst mass that was there.
01:58:11:08 – 01:58:32:17
Nathan Crane
It’s it’s so common, actually. The people with the same story where they change their diet, the juice, they bring in the fresh greens, they do all the anti-cancer holistic protocols. The tumor is still there, or even it may have grown. There was a woman who had breast cancer, same exact thing. She got kind of scared, You know, she’d been doing this for, I don’t know, ten months or something or a year.
01:58:32:17 – 01:58:50:11
Nathan Crane
And she got convinced to go have the surgery anyway. And when they did the surgery, that’s exactly what it was. It was tumor necrosis. The tumor had basically the body was destroying the tumor from the inside out. That’s that’s what happens. It just takes time. It takes time. You know, it took time for it to form. It takes time for it.
01:58:50:16 – 01:59:20:07
Bill Buvens
And I, I can’t. Yes, I Agree totally. If I can’t live parallel universes. Sure. I’m I’m firmly convinced if I just stayed the course, then according to what Gerson said, my body would have continued apparently breaking it down and would eventually just take it out of my system. But I didn’t do it. And I but but, but I had the surgery and one oncologist, the first oncologist, he didn’t recommend chemotherapy.
01:59:20:22 – 01:59:42:15
Bill Buvens
I got it. I went and talked to a second oncologist, and he was a wolf in sheep’s clothing. He was very close to my house and he had a Chinese doctor working for him. He had a nutritious working for me. He knew every button to push, just what to say to get me in. And then he he said, no, you need to have you need chemotherapy.
01:59:43:21 – 02:00:03:21
Bill Buvens
I said, Well, I heard chemotherapy was dangerous and it was very debilitating. It can make you ill. He said, No, it’s very mild. You’re hardly noticed. It’s very safe. So really? So I went back to the first oncologist and I said, you know, this guy said that. He said, What do you recommend? He said, five. If you And I said, I said five.
02:00:03:21 – 02:00:21:15
Bill Buvens
If you and the first oncologist five if you I two patients die of that in the last 90 days. Wow. So, okay, I got one oncologist said he doesn’t think I need chemo second, cause I do find a few. He said it’ll be fine. So the first oncologist said, I’m going to send you to a third oncologist. I can tell you a conflict.
02:00:21:15 – 02:00:39:12
Bill Buvens
Let’s get a third opinion. So I go to the author and columnist and I said, Hey, all my information. He said, You know, and ironically, and this is going to sound contrived, I swear to God, this is the truth. My mother says she could back me up, but she’s not with us anymore. But my mother had gone to a pharmacist to get his prescription fulfilled this very day.
02:00:39:18 – 02:01:02:07
Bill Buvens
I mean, what are the chances of this, again, that serendipity of life bringing you what you need, You can help you if you the commitment she’d gone on pharmacy said she got a prescription and somehow she said to the pharmacist, you know, my son has been told he needs chemotherapy. He’s not sure he’s getting conflicting opinions. And unsolicited, this pharmacist told my mother, there’s one oncologist in this town.
02:01:02:07 – 02:01:24:11
Bill Buvens
He has a chemo money machine and his name is it was the same name of the second oncologist that told me five if he was no problem. I mean, I said, Mother, that’s the guy. So I go through the 13 colleges and he said, you know, there’s and he used the same term. I there is only one oncologist in this town that would recommend five of you and tell you that his name is the same doctor.
02:01:25:05 – 02:01:25:24
Nathan Crane
They all knew him.
02:01:26:20 – 02:01:43:24
Bill Buvens
They all knew him. And and I back about two years ago, I figured I would start writing a book. I wanted to make sure that people know I’m cancer free. So I went back to the same oncologist and I said, Whatever happened? The guy also, he’s no longer with us. He was. He was a psychopath. Mm. Oh, there’s one oncologist.
02:01:44:06 – 02:02:09:06
Bill Buvens
Another oncologist? A psychopath. Wow. And it’s scary. I feel so sorry for people, but I just say, I would say, educate yourself, get the truth, go through what feels right and give your body a chance. Just give your body a chance. Don’t let the fear of death deny you a better chance for life. That’s what I would say from my experience.
02:02:09:15 – 02:02:33:23
Bill Buvens
No, I can’t tell another person what they should do. But that’s I’m glad that’s what I did. So. So then. So I didn’t do anything else. It was it. And about six months to a day after I started having abdominal pain and I didn’t know what it was. And then one morning, about three in the morning, it was so severe I was curled up on the bathroom floor and I got the phone and I called the surgeon.
02:02:34:09 – 02:02:49:08
Bill Buvens
I said, I’m in extreme pain. It was three in the morning. Guy’s answer source. He called me back about four in the morning. To his credit, he was a great he’s a great he was a good guy and he was very excellent. So I chose him. So I had confidence in him. He was a really good guy and I still go see him for colonoscopies because we’re doing the colonoscopies.
02:02:49:08 – 02:03:06:12
Bill Buvens
But I have a colorectal surgeon. Do it because they’re the most expert and they’re the most trained. If anything should happen unexpected, that’s the guy that can deal with it right there. That in there. So so I said, I’ve got it. He said, Go on down to the emergency room. I’m going to call them or get some test scheduled and I’ll be done about 630 and we’ll see what’s going on.
02:03:06:19 – 02:03:24:06
Bill Buvens
So I did that and he came out 630 and he said, Where I sold you together, it came apart. I call it a clean come apart. Well, and and it was so, so much pain. And I remember I said, you know, I’ve got a really busy day today. Can you give me some pain pills? Maybe we can take care of this tomorrow.
02:03:25:02 – 02:03:30:09
Nathan Crane
You know? Yeah, you’re going to die if you don’t get here at all. Sealed up right now.
02:03:30:17 – 02:03:33:03
Bill Buvens
Why don’t do it now. You will. You will not be here tomorrow.
02:03:33:24 – 02:03:42:13
Nathan Crane
I’m busy. I’m busy today. Some pain pills, please. Yeah. You’re excreting excrement into your bloodstream. You know, I just need some pain pills.
02:03:42:13 – 02:04:00:09
Bill Buvens
I can’t. I can’t solve this pain. Mean I can’t. I mean. Oh, my God. Okay, So. So he still be back together? I’d like to have a second surgery because the first one came apart, and then six months. But five months after that, I was no match. For about three months after that, I was lifting some heavy boxes on horrible stitches and I had to have a hernia operation.
02:04:00:09 – 02:04:12:00
Bill Buvens
So because I had that one surgery, I end up having three. The third one was on me because I was lifting of things I should have lifted. But I firmly believe that I stayed. The course I would have needed would not have needed surgery at all. But.
02:04:12:24 – 02:04:27:13
Nathan Crane
You know, we don’t know. We can’t go back. But you didn’t. But so the question is or it sounds like you didn’t do any chemotherapy or radiation. And then what happened to the the metastases, to the liver and to the lymph nodes? What whatever happened with that.
02:04:28:05 – 02:04:44:11
Bill Buvens
When he cut me open? Oh, he did take some lymph nodes out initially. They’re all tested. No cancer. And the liver, he’d look good. It was all cleaned well. He was amazed how clean. Although I did. We just been gone.
02:04:44:13 – 02:05:08:11
Nathan Crane
I was just saying make sense what the protocol you were doing. Because lymphatic system is the, you know, the garbage removal system from the body. It’s a big part of removing, you know, waste byproduct from the body as well as, you know, activating immune cells that that help to target and kill cancer cells. And so, you know, the lymphatic system, basically the lymph nodes get swollen.
02:05:08:11 – 02:05:31:07
Nathan Crane
They can be they they can become cancerous because the cancer cells are just moving through lymphatic system so excessively. But if you’re cleaning that out with all the green juice in the week, just using the oxidants, anti-inflammatories, all the things you doing, it makes sense that you cleared that up through your limps, lymph nodes, your lymphatic system, as well as through your liver.
02:05:31:09 – 02:05:32:23
Nathan Crane
I mean, it just doesn’t make sense.
02:05:33:10 – 02:05:45:12
Bill Buvens
Yeah, exactly. So, so that’s that, that’s that. And I, I, that was 20 March B 22 years.
02:05:45:24 – 02:05:49:23
Nathan Crane
And you’re 70 what, six?
02:05:51:12 – 02:05:54:10
Bill Buvens
So 71 almost.
02:05:55:11 – 02:05:56:12
Nathan Crane
Almost 71.
02:05:56:21 – 02:05:57:07
Bill Buvens
Almost.
02:05:57:15 – 02:06:05:22
Nathan Crane
And you know, 22 years here later after being told you you had six months, 20 less than 20% chance.
02:06:05:22 – 02:06:06:24
Bill Buvens
Lives, give me a break.
02:06:07:05 – 02:06:18:03
Nathan Crane
Five years or six month. Here you are. And you and honestly, you know, you look like you’re in your fifties, maybe low sixties, right? Like, you look healthy. You look.
02:06:18:03 – 02:06:40:23
Bill Buvens
Vibrant. I look. Yeah. Yeah, I am. And what do now? Have a role myself. And do a coaching program with a bunch of retired Navy SEALs. And I love I love those guys are the real deal. And, you know, they really live the principles of and you can you can’t talk what they do you can’t be a sure way through that alone you know, because the physical body is the temple of soul.
02:06:40:24 – 02:07:08:00
Bill Buvens
Temple of the soul. So and those guys, those guys are great. I like those guys. And it really but but the most important things, I think, for people is to make that commitment and to have, you know, is Einstein imagination is everything is the preview of coming attractions. And when imagination comes up against your willpower, imagination always wins.
02:07:09:01 – 02:07:32:16
Bill Buvens
So you’re just recently wrote a book, it didn’t appear you researched, you imagined it could happen, and then you believed you could do it. And you you took action and it happened. So everything we create, whether it be a book, whether it be a cancer, everybody first starts inside. Is is that an image. I can do it. That’s the creative process.
02:07:32:16 – 02:07:56:22
Bill Buvens
That’s from as above. So below that’s and it’s through oxygen. That’s one thing that Warburg talks about in 1966. I’ll talk he talks about oxygen is what creates work. And actually two years ago I was diagnosed with COVID and I was in the hospital ten days and it because I had severe pneumonia and they I couldn’t extract oxygen from the air.
02:07:58:02 – 02:08:20:19
Bill Buvens
And when I just there’s this Navy SEAL coaching program. I mean, the head guy, he’s got this mantra that he used to get himself through blood straight and he graduated number one in his SEAL class. He was the ornament. And when it was got really tough, he would go, I’m feeling good. I’m looking good. I ought to be in Hollywood no matter how hard it got.
02:08:21:02 – 02:08:38:22
Bill Buvens
His instructors were trying to beat him down. I’m feeling good. I’m looking good. And when I was in when I was in the hospital with COVID and, I was completely I went there for one hour for a month, monoclonal antibody infusion therapy. I thought, well, when this current and severe pneumonia, they wouldn’t let me leave. I was there for ten days.
02:08:38:22 – 02:08:56:06
Bill Buvens
I thought I was there for one hour. It was like I was taken to the top of a Tibetan monastery for ten days. It was great. The insights I got were. So my point here is getting COVID was one of the greatest experience I’ve had, second only to cancer. Cancer was with the most positive experience of my life.
02:08:56:07 – 02:09:24:00
Bill Buvens
Now, who would think that? Who would think the cancer was positive? But I would say if people, when they get diagnosed, project himself forward, knowing what the outcome can be, visualize the outcome. You and then take the steps every day to manifest that outwardly live in really in the in the wish fulfilled and manifest it. I would say that’s the most important so and if you want in a lot of these so that’s one thing I’ll pass along I think super critical.
02:09:24:00 – 02:09:48:12
Bill Buvens
I think in terms of what I identified as the underlying causes of cancer was poor attitude. It’s a viewpoint, it’s stress, it’s lack of rest, it’s poor diet, it’s lack of exercise, it’s toxins, a build up in the body and the carcinogens in the environment. Yeah, one identified those seven underlying causes 22 years ago. I said, wait a minute, can I change my attitude?
02:09:49:03 – 02:10:11:03
Bill Buvens
Yeah, you bet. Can I eliminate stress? Yeah. I mean, get back to meditate again. Miracle on that kind of work on my wrist. Yeah. I mean, the circadian rhythm, I think What, every morning. Get some sunshine. Let me make sure I can work on my diet. Yeah. Clean my diet up ASAP till I sort of exercise it. I couldn’t at the time because I had no oxygen, but once I built it up, I got where I could right 50 miles in the country.
02:10:11:10 – 02:10:31:09
Bill Buvens
I detoxify my body and clean up my environment. Low, low and behold, it proved what I thought in terms of the underlying causes. If you can reverse those, you can reverse a primary cause, you can get rid of cancer. It’s just cause and effect. Not to say it’s going to work for everybody, but I think again, as I would say this, give your body a chance.
02:10:31:10 – 02:10:34:20
Bill Buvens
Give your body a chance. Yeah. You know, powerful.
02:10:35:00 – 02:10:53:23
Nathan Crane
Well, Bill, I know you’ve got a book coming out soon. I know you’re working on some things where you can share more of your story to help people. What do you have? A website can can find you at? They can learn about your book and the things when they come out. What’s the best place for people to to get in touch with you?
02:10:54:21 – 02:11:20:16
Bill Buvens
Thanksgiving cancer free blueprint dot com cancer free blueprint dot com. And I also have the domain name my name Bill Bevins be U.V. and ask.com but I don’t have that directed that’s that’s going to be the title of my book cancer free blueprint dot com and it’s going to and I’m going to have an online course because it’s much more easy for people to learn, actually show people actually do diagrams of everything.
02:11:20:16 – 02:11:26:21
Bill Buvens
I’ll show people how you juice, how you grow wheatgrass, everything. I’ll let people know what I did, why I did it, the science and how I did it.
02:11:27:14 – 02:11:33:24
Nathan Crane
Let me know. Let me know in the book comes out. I’d love to read it and then I’d love to have you back on the podcast. We can talk about it.
02:11:34:14 – 02:11:41:15
Bill Buvens
Thanks, Nathan. Appreciate you, sir. I’m absolutely sure from afar. And it’s really it’s good to know you do it really sincerely. I really admire the heck out of you.
02:11:42:00 – 02:11:45:05
Nathan Crane
Oh, thank you, Bill. I appreciate it. It’s been awesome.
02:11:45:05 – 02:11:48:05
Bill Buvens
You’re live. What I would like to do to really help serve others sincerely.
02:11:48:18 – 02:12:07:14
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Well, you have such an inspiring story and you know, you’re living proof of what’s possible. I just love, you know, how much you shared about your mindset and the story of that. It’s so inspiring. So anyway, it’s great to great to get to know you. I look forward to getting to know you more. And yeah, we’ll talk soon and take care.
02:12:08:04 – 02:12:12:03
Bill Buvens
Thank you, sir.