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00:00:00:00 – 00:00:07:14
Nathan Crane
Wow. I am really looking forward to this conversation today with my friend Ashok Gupta. Ashok, what’s up, brother? Thanks for coming on the podcast.

00:00:07:24 – 00:00:11:07
Ashok Gupta
Yes, I’m very well. Thanks. Nathan, it’s lovely to be with you again.

00:00:11:23 – 00:00:33:24
Nathan Crane
So for anyone who doesn’t know, Ashok is an internationally renowned speaker, is a filmmaker, he’s a health practitioner, he is a published scientist. He’s been helping people through his Gupta program to retrain their brain, heal subconscious. He’ll heal trauma, subconscious belief systems, as well as helping with chronic fatigue and all kinds of chronic health conditions. But a lot.

00:00:34:04 – 00:01:04:19
Nathan Crane
We were just talking offline, Ashok, and you know, a lot of your past experience, including a documentary film series that you were just telling me about, is on the on the ancient Vedic wisdom and knowledge out of India and, you know, we were just talking about the Aparna Shahid’s and the Bhagavad Gita and the, you know, the Masters from India and and those incredible wisdom teachings that basically teach humanity how to be one with God, right?

00:01:04:19 – 00:01:31:11
Nathan Crane
How to achieve our our highest potential as human beings, how to master control over the mind in the body, how to heal disease. And, you know, to me, that’s really fascinating. I was just sharing with you a big part of my morning practice. Now, in addition to, you know, reading the Bible and prayer and meditating, then I’m also reading the open shots and I’m reading the Bhagavad Gita, and I’m reading these ancient Indian texts and, you know, Raja yoga and I’ll do it and I’ll do a practice.

00:01:32:14 – 00:01:55:00
Nathan Crane
You know, I’m learning kriya yoga right now as well. So these, you know, in pranayama and in practicing these teachings that teach us how to basically gain control over our mind and body and overcome disease and really achieve our enlightened selves. As the Buddha taught, as these ancient riches taught, and as I believe and many of us believe, that Jesus taught the same.

00:01:55:00 – 00:02:08:11
Nathan Crane
So anyway, I’m excited about diving in that conversation with you as well. And I’m curious on your like what really got you. Well, you know. So, yeah, tell me a little bit about your, your kind of background with studying this ancient knowledge.

00:02:09:16 – 00:02:27:08
Ashok Gupta
Yes. Well, like many of us who have come on this healing journey, this healing path, it started with our own challenges. And for me, this started in the mid nineties. So until then I had, you know, I wouldn’t say I was particularly religious or spiritual. I had some beliefs, but I wasn’t really engage with that. I was a young man.

00:02:27:08 – 00:02:50:17
Ashok Gupta
I was doing partying, enjoying life, and that was the priority, right? And this is the mid-nineties. And I was studying as an undergrad at Cambridge University, and I got some kind of illness. It was a virus, bacteria, whatever it is. And the bacteria seemed to go away or whatever the viral thing was. But my illness got worse and worse and worse to the worse moments had to crawl to the bathroom.

00:02:51:03 – 00:03:04:23
Ashok Gupta
I was almost suicidal. I felt ill all the time. And I go from doctor to doctor and they say, We don’t know what you’ve got. We have no treatment for it. You’re on your own. And by the way, you might have this thing called any or chronic fatigue syndrome, and you might have it for the rest of your life.

00:03:05:02 – 00:03:31:20
Ashok Gupta
Goodbye. And that was to young man, a brick wall, you know, I mean, I literally people say, what does that feel like? I said, it feels like your worst day of flu times five. I literally you can’t do anything. And that started my lifelong quest to understand myself, understand healing, understand my spiritual side, and put all of this together to be able to just out of necessity, heal myself.

00:03:32:04 – 00:03:54:12
Ashok Gupta
But then once I did that, it became a boon for me, hopefully others people as well. And I remember my worst moments. I said to the universe, If I can just get myself well, I promise you I will dedicate the rest of my life every waking moment to supporting others with that healing. And I said, I read a lot of books on brain neurology.

00:03:54:12 – 00:04:17:08
Ashok Gupta
I study physiology, and I managed to retrain my brain in a very ad hoc way when this stuff wasn’t even recognized in those days, I got myself 100% well and then set up a clinic to treat and support others. And then we published the Gupta program, the neuroplasticity program in 2007. And since then, we’ve been doing randomized controlled trials, improving the program, and now we have an app.

00:04:17:08 – 00:04:36:20
Ashok Gupta
So yeah, that’s been that’s been my journey over the last 30 years to get to this point. And I have to say something that at the time felt like how can I even go on in life has become the biggest gift to me, to transform me and hopefully transform the lives of others.

00:04:37:03 – 00:05:05:02
Nathan Crane
MM Yeah. It’s very often what happens. Great. So many, so many of us go through really hard times, addiction and health challenges, you know, and by seeking answers, seeking truth, seeking solutions, we end up going down this incredible rabbit hole for years and years and discover so many interesting, exciting things like this. Ancient Vedic knowledge is ancient Vedic wisdom.

00:05:05:02 – 00:05:40:02
Nathan Crane
For example, that, you know, our ancestors from India have known for thousands of years how to heal disease, how to transcend, you know, the limitations of the human body, how to master our mind, how to overcome suffering and stress and anxiety and and disease and so forth. So, you know, I’ve been reading the Bhagavad Gita lately, and, you know, I think it’s such small texts write such small verses that that are just filled with so much wisdom.

00:05:40:17 – 00:05:47:24
Nathan Crane
I mean, in a single verse, you read it and you’re like, Wow, just mind blowing. How much wisdom is in that single verse?

00:05:48:11 – 00:06:12:16
Ashok Gupta
Oh, absolutely. I mean, the Bhagavad Gita was something that, in fact, Einstein was a big fan of. And said it was one of the most incredible pieces of literature, you know, on the planet. And that ancient wisdom is now coming forth to the world because if you look at, let’s say, what we’re now practicing 30 or 40 years ago, yoga was seen as like very fringe, very crazy.

00:06:12:16 – 00:06:39:02
Ashok Gupta
Now it’s becoming mainstream. 20, 30 years ago, meditation was for widows. Now that’s becoming mainstream now. Silence retreats, getting connection with nature. These are becoming mainstream things. And in a similar way that ancient Vedic knowledge, which was never ascribed to a single writer, it was a a group of riches that had no ego, that just channeled this knowledge and and wrote it for humanity is now also coming forth as this next wave.

00:06:39:02 – 00:07:05:07
Ashok Gupta
So our first wave was yoga coming and infiltrating, and the next wave was meditation. The next wave then came Breathwork. And now this next wave will be that deep core spiritual knowledge that is so fundamental to our well-being. So we’re seeing that, you know, it’s not this not from an ego place of, oh, this all this great wisdom was in India, but it was just the the authenticity of it is now coming forward and creating the world.

00:07:06:03 – 00:07:32:22
Nathan Crane
Yeah, it’s interesting how so much of these wisdom traditions and this wisdom does come out of India and Tibet and Eastern countries, you know, China, you have traditional Chinese medicine, you have qigong. I mean, you have so you have you have India and you have the Vedas, and you have all that knowledge and wisdom that comes, you know, potentially 5000 B.C., maybe longer depends, you know, maybe older, depends on, you know, who you believe.

00:07:33:16 – 00:08:01:00
Nathan Crane
We don’t really know for sure. But but likely 7000 years ago, maybe much older. Right. And during the similar time period, then out of China, you have a similar kind of knowledge and wisdom coming forward. You know, traditional Chinese medicine, qigong, is this what they call chea the master of mastering and learning to master our ki, our life force energy and in India is called Prana, right in the Vedas is called Prana.

00:08:01:00 – 00:08:28:05
Nathan Crane
Pranayama is master in our life force energy here in the West. We still think pranayama, if you’ve heard that, is just breathwork right. But as I read in Raja Yoga from Swami Vivekananda, he says, Look, the breath is just a mechanism to help you to get to the point of being able to control your prana, which the prana is the life force energy that manifests behind all things, right, the akasha.

00:08:28:05 – 00:08:57:01
Nathan Crane
And correct me if I’m wrong, but he talks about the Akasha is the manifesto and it’s all the material things. It’s everything comes from the Akasha and goes back to the Akasha. That’s all the material, the human body, the table, the sun, you name it, and the life force that gives the power to manifest these material things is the prana, and that is the magnetism, the gravity, the, you know, the life force energy within our minds and bodies.

00:08:57:01 – 00:09:23:10
Nathan Crane
And so, you know, Raja yoga, which I think is, is a pretty incredible practice that I’m learning right now in pranayama, which is learning to master the prana within. And he talks about how, you know, when you have healers, like I’ve done healings on people and you talk about another time and literally healing has happened. I don’t really know how I did it, but he he explains that, that, you know, even healers may not understand what they’re doing is they are controlling the prana.

00:09:23:10 – 00:09:32:10
Nathan Crane
Well, the Qigong masters understood this as controlling the chair, and by balancing the chair you create the flourishing of health in the body.

00:09:32:10 – 00:09:56:10
Ashok Gupta
Oh, absolutely. So day to day, we are made up of different bodies. So we have the physical body. Right. And that’s what mainstream medicine looks at, is a physical body, the the enzymes, the cortisol, all these different things we can measure. And yet there is another layer behind that, which is the subtle body and that subtle body is the realm of emotions and minds and consciousness to an extent.

00:09:56:21 – 00:10:19:09
Ashok Gupta
And that realm is provided for by the prana. That is the, the key resource to be able to energize that subtle layer of our existent, the more energetic layer. And that’s why the control of the breath is one of the most powerful ways in which we can elevate that prana so that life force we all know when it’s low, right?

00:10:19:09 – 00:10:42:09
Ashok Gupta
So let’s say we’ve had a hard day’s work. We’ve been on a screen for 10 hours. Guess what? Veronica is low. We’ve been having fried foods. I mean, I find if I have a plate full of French fries, pronto, dips, if we haven’t been connecting with nature or whatever it may be being around high vibrational spaces. Prana then comes low and to raise up or now.

00:10:42:22 – 00:11:10:14
Ashok Gupta
Then there are a number of things, as you say, that perhaps traditionally we may not think of as raising that. So there’s the breathwork that controls it. And then of course our diets and what we put into our physical being impacts on our prana levels. But the most important powerful thing is how much have we got? Control over our mind is what lowers prana the most is not what we think it might be.

00:11:10:23 – 00:11:45:24
Ashok Gupta
It’s actually when we worry, when we have uncontrolled patterns of thoughts. This uses up that subtle life force and when we actually have stillness, centeredness, peace of mind in the moment, which is facilitated by regular meditation and breathwork, then we stop losing those layers of prayer brought up within ourselves, and we maintain that high vibrational awareness. And that comes not only through Breathwork, it also comes through spiritual knowledge and spiritual awareness and self-awareness.

00:11:46:15 – 00:12:08:05
Ashok Gupta
You know, the biggest piece of the missing piece in a lot of spiritual practice that people think, I’m doing yoga, I’m being spiritual, I’m doing this, I’m being spiritual. It’s actually moment to moment awareness of what this little part of us is doing our minds, and how it’s taking us uncontrollably down different paths and being aware of that and bringing it back to our center.

00:12:08:05 – 00:12:21:07
Ashok Gupta
And it’s a bit like riding a horse. So you’re riding a horse. I this happened to me once. I was riding a horse and this is a very fidgety horse. So it would see some branches over here. It would go over there and start sniffing over there. And the rest of the people around the horse show, where are you going?

00:12:21:16 – 00:12:47:17
Ashok Gupta
I’ve got no control over this horse. It’s going all over the place. Right. And then it would go and stop here and do this. And I had to pull the horse and say, Come on, there’s an element of self-awareness, self-discipline that says, no, this is the path we are on. This is what we choose for ourselves. And we lose just little snippets of product each time our mind goes off into these childless tunnels of worry that our mind is obsessed with.

00:12:47:17 – 00:13:10:20
Nathan Crane
You can literally worry yourself to death or worry yourself to sickness, right? I mean, it’s very interesting that, you know, our ancient ancestors knew this in terms of the need to control the mind, to create a sense of well-being and to focus on, you know, well-being for yourself and well-being for others. A focus on gratitude, to focus on God, you know, putting our mind there as often as possible.

00:13:10:20 – 00:13:54:18
Nathan Crane
But when we worry, when we stress, when we have resentment, we have fear, we have guilt. And we do that chronically, as you know, with the patients you work with and through your program, it leads to disease. It literally downregulate the immune system. It upregulates our sympathetic nervous system. It puts us on, you know, kind of a fight or flight or freeze or basically this this this response that is preventing our body from doing what it is designed to do, which is, you know, fend off bacteria and viruses and pathogens and cancer cells and clean all this stuff up when we’re in that state of continual worry, which unfortunately so many people are today.

00:13:54:18 – 00:14:02:19
Nathan Crane
Right. We create as a Buddha taught, we’re creating our own suffering through our minds. We are also creating our own physical disease, aren’t we?

00:14:03:10 – 00:14:24:12
Ashok Gupta
Absolutely. This is exactly the roots of it. And what’s happening is let me take the analogy of this balloon. Right. So I just happened to have this balloon on my desk, so I thought I’d bring it out here. So imagine this balloon is our nervous system. So nervous system is our brain. And all the nerves connect all the cells and muscles like our electrical system, the information system.

00:14:24:12 – 00:14:48:21
Ashok Gupta
And what happens is when we blow the balloon to a normal level, it’s nice and soft and spongy. So this is when we have a good level of prana, we’re able to feel happy feelings, good feelings. We’re able to connect with people around us and we are soft and spongy and malleable. So an impact comes to us, you know, perhaps a disappointment or some bad news.

00:14:48:21 – 00:15:16:06
Ashok Gupta
And you know, it bounces off because we’re soft, we’re malleable, we’re flexible to the ups and downs of life. And so many things like meditation and breathwork being around good company, eating high prana foods is going to keep us in this nice, soft, spongy state to handle life. But then when we start worrying and stress starts coming, guess what people say my cup is full.

00:15:17:07 – 00:15:43:11
Ashok Gupta
So this is when we start getting really stressed and now the balloon is super tight and now when it is impacted, it’s really making an impact. We are no longer flexible anymore. With stiff, we’re tight and this is what our nervous system no longer has the capacity for flexibility or being near a plastic. And this then leads to diminished prana this leads to anxious thoughts, feeling overwhelmed.

00:15:43:21 – 00:16:03:05
Ashok Gupta
And when I speak to people, Nathan, I said, if you notice this, more and more people in life seem to be just on the edge of burnout. They’re pushing their mind and body to the nth degree because of screens and overstimulation of instant information overload. They can’t handle another piece. And this is often how we’re living. We’re living in this stressed state.

00:16:04:00 – 00:16:47:00
Ashok Gupta
And also when we work with our clients, we say, if you stay in this stressed stress state, this fight or flight or free state, eventually what happens is all the air comes out with a funny noise and you get into this flop state where you now feel burnt out, depressed, lethargic, you don’t feel like doing anything right. I’m sure we can all recognize periods of time in our life when we’ve had that, where now the prana is low and it’s remaining low because the system is exhausted and our two skills in life are first of all, when we get to this exhausted state, knowing how we can bring ourselves back to this soft, spongy, good

00:16:47:01 – 00:17:10:07
Ashok Gupta
state, how we raise our vibrational energy and our brain out to do that. And secondly, when we do get to the stressed state, how we can recognize this and release that stress and bring our nervous system back to a balanced state. So I would say the first states, the first stage of our growth is just managing life and managing stress in our emotions.

00:17:10:16 – 00:17:25:07
Ashok Gupta
And then once we can do that and keep ourselves in this soft, spongy state, then the next step is our spiritual journey, where we can look at that higher vibrational energy. You look at this knowledge, but the first stage is just dealing with life day to day. That’s what I think a lot of people are. It’s okay.

00:17:25:17 – 00:17:50:19
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s a good point is, you know, how how do we live in this crazy, stressful world with all these demands and bills and, you know, bill collectors and social media pumping, you know, fear driving messages and assassinations, you know, into your inbox 24 seven where you’re constantly on this, you know, your nervous system is constantly in this fight or flight state.

00:17:51:08 – 00:18:11:06
Nathan Crane
It’s like the squirrels outside in my backyard. Every morning when I let the dogs out, they go chasing the squirrels. Right. And I see those squirrels, you know, when they’re out in the backyard picking for food, they’re in this constant fight or flight. They know their life could be threatened at any moment. You know, they’re on high alert and they’re getting nuts and seeds and different things.

00:18:11:06 – 00:18:28:22
Nathan Crane
And all of a sudden, you know, these two wolf, like dogs come chasing them, the squirrels go, you know, flying up over to the kid’s little toy house thing and flying. And then dogs are like, my dogs are like chomping and trying to, like, you know, bite them in their tails, almost in the mouth. And I just I always feel bad for those squirrels.

00:18:29:13 – 00:18:54:03
Nathan Crane
Squirrels are just like they go, you know, they’re in constant fight or flight and then they really have their life threatened. And then they’re, you know, flying through the air, jumping over the fence every single morning. It happens, unfortunately, most people are living like a squirrel today. Right? Most people are in that constant nervous system, you know, fight or flight or freeze mode where it’s like every little thing kind of throws them off.

00:18:54:08 – 00:19:13:17
Nathan Crane
There’s a there’s a danger everywhere, even though there’s pretty much no real danger. There’s no lions and tigers and giant wolves and things coming to attack you and eat you every single day, you know? Yeah, you’re in a car. There’s car wrecks and stuff like that. But we’re so used to driving. Very rarely do most people and most of us just drive subconsciously, right?

00:19:13:17 – 00:19:32:04
Nathan Crane
That we’re not really worried about a car wreck. The stress is coming from, oh, I’m going to be late for work or this traffic jam. Oh, this car wreck has now made me late. This is terrible. Or my boss is going to be mad at me or you know, I don’t have enough money to pay the bills. All these very valid concerns.

00:19:32:04 – 00:19:56:02
Nathan Crane
But we take them on and don’t know how to self-regulate, don’t know how to deal with those situations. And then they’re just causing this nervous system overdrive, which is absolutely leading to this part of massively leading this chronic disease epidemic that we that we experience today. So control learning to control our nervous system. Right. Learning to control our breath is one way to do it.

00:19:56:02 – 00:20:17:19
Nathan Crane
I mean, that’s a basic thing people can do every single day, right, is just start practicing some basic pranayama, start practicing some basic breath work, learning how to take those deep in relations and slow exhalations. Right. So you can actually start to get some control over the nervous system. Would you agree that that’s probably a good place for people to start at the very basic.

00:20:18:13 – 00:20:40:12
Ashok Gupta
I think that’s foundational. Yes, that’s for some people, even meditation can be a bit of a stretch. So we start with basic breathwork and the Breathwork works at many different levels. It’s working at the physical body level in terms of oxygenation, but it’s also working at the subtle level in terms of raising up Rana and she energy raising that vibrational energy within us.

00:20:40:22 – 00:21:03:02
Ashok Gupta
And there are sets, you know, there are lots of different subtle components. But for example, when the out breath is controlled through the nose, as we breathe out and it is longer than the breath, that has always been a portion of the ancient Vedic tradition that in doing so, that is a way of raising your prana. And then there’s lots of different prana, as you say, the pranayama breathing technique.

00:21:03:02 – 00:21:11:15
Ashok Gupta
Then there are lots of kriya breathwork, and for me personally, I use the one from the Art of Living Foundation called Seduction Kriya, and I find that incredibly powerful.

00:21:12:10 – 00:21:15:04
Nathan Crane
And what does that what does that look like?

00:21:15:23 – 00:21:31:24
Ashok Gupta
So the Sudarshan Kriya it’s a breathing technique that you learn in one of their courses, and essentially you learn a long version of the breath technique, which takes about 45, 60 minutes, that you do face to face with them on the course. And then they give you a shortened version you use every morning. It takes about 15 minutes.

00:21:32:16 – 00:21:48:09
Ashok Gupta
So what I do is in the morning, my morning routine so I can show you what I do to keep my front a high. So my morning routine is I will do my cardio in the morning, so I will do 20 to 30 minutes of cardio, which could be its protocol. I’ll do different things each day, some strength training or some jogging.

00:21:48:09 – 00:22:09:18
Ashok Gupta
So I’ll do I’ll vary to see that 20, 30 minutes in the morning or if you don’t want to do that, just go for a brisk walk if that’s what you can manage. And then I come home, have a shower, and then I do some yoga, some very basic physical yoga, about five or 10 minutes. But then I without fail, I’ll do this 15 minutes of this kriya technique called the sedation kriya.

00:22:10:04 – 00:22:30:05
Ashok Gupta
And then I will follow that with a deep 30 to 40 minute meditation. Of course, you could just follow it a ten or 20 minute meditation, but that combination of different processes is what has been to, you know, what is what has been taught traditionally in the tradition, which is you need that physical activity first to wake up that nervous system and get exposure to light.

00:22:30:19 – 00:22:52:17
Ashok Gupta
And then after that, you’re and you’re also in that physical movement, you’re getting rid of the rigidity in the body and some of the stress hormones that you may have collected. So your mind is ready for a deeper order of meditation. Then the next step, which has been misinterpreted in the West, is the physical stretching. Yoga was never designed to be just an outcome by itself.

00:22:52:24 – 00:22:53:10
Nathan Crane
Right?

00:22:53:19 – 00:23:17:04
Ashok Gupta
It was designed as this is the meditation for your body. So this is getting the body in its optimal state to facilitate a deeper state of consciousness. So then you do the yoga first, which then leads onto the breathwork, which then takes you to another door of meditation, and then you can enter a deeper meditation by following that process.

00:23:17:04 – 00:23:44:19
Ashok Gupta
And actually it is often the depth of the meditation, the stillness of the meditation, which then determines how much that has been able to raise your prana overall through this process, but also how you’ve been connecting with your witnessing awareness. So normally our mind is engrossed in things. So I always take the example of imagine, imagine this cup of water and it’s got a pen inside it.

00:23:45:00 – 00:24:03:12
Ashok Gupta
Yeah, I won’t put it in because I get to drink this water, but it is a pen in here and this represents our mind and our sense of illness. Our identity is here and we are swirling around our unconscious thoughts around around we go in this cup and we’re trying to solve our problems whilst we’re swirling in this cup.

00:24:04:10 – 00:24:21:04
Ashok Gupta
But as Einstein said, you can’t use the same thinking to solve a problem and that created the problem. So the purpose of all of these practices is enable us to step out of the cup, say, oh, now I’m the witness, and I can see the swirling water in the cup of my unconscious mind and my, my mind’s thoughts.

00:24:21:24 – 00:24:48:03
Ashok Gupta
I’m now this awareness. Aha. Now I can see what’s going on. I have insights on my thoughts, my emotions, my reactions. I can see what I’m doing because I’m no longer caught up in them. This is in that witnessing awareness and that door of meditation will decide how much you’ve connected with that witnessing awareness and that high level of vibrational prana to enable resilience in your nervous system.

00:24:48:21 – 00:25:13:10
Ashok Gupta
So when we’re not resilient, we are in this cup constantly swirling around us and we haven’t got the product to be able to jump out the awareness. But these things all coincide that with high prana we it’s easier for us to associate with the witnessing awareness, the loving, wise self, see what our mind is telling it doing and say, Oh my dear beloved mind, I see what’s happening here and we love our mind.

00:25:13:10 – 00:25:26:06
Ashok Gupta
We take care of our mind, we soothe ourselves. This is where some of the inner child work comes in. And through that process, meditation is the primary facilitator of that witnessing awareness, and that’s how I see it.

00:25:26:14 – 00:25:48:24
Nathan Crane
It’s a beautiful example. I am reminded of Autobiography of a yogi, you know, Yogananda’s life and the many stories and accounts that he shares with the various teachers that he learned from over his life in India before he came here, you know, and in the what we would call superhuman abilities that they cultivated through these practices that we’re talking about.

00:25:48:24 – 00:26:23:23
Nathan Crane
And to me, that’s that’s such a very fascinating and kind of exciting prospect, right, that we, too, could develop the ability to read someone else’s thoughts for for the higher good, like think, you know, many examples of like simple things of someone’s in need of something and you can you understand exactly what their need of and you can direct them to fulfill their need, you know, simple examples like that or, you know, the story of one of the Ricci’s that he tells that had his arm accidentally chopped off.

00:26:23:23 – 00:26:44:24
Nathan Crane
And then he said, Don’t worry about it, I’ll be fine. And three days later, they checked on him and his arm has completely reattached with no scars, you know, amazing stories like that, whether people believe him to be true or not. I mean, I believe him to be true, you know, his his own guru that he eventually came to to live with and study with for the better part of ten years.

00:26:45:19 – 00:27:16:13
Nathan Crane
Shri Uta sua and his ability to divinely see the future and know when things are happening and prepare for them and heal elements instantaneously like Jesus did. Right. So, so many people here in the West think that, well, Jesus was the only one that had these abilities. Well, in fact, there are many accounts of other master teachers, very similar to Jesus coming out of India and recently, I mean, we’re talking the last hundred years that have done everything that Jesus has done.

00:27:16:16 – 00:27:40:11
Nathan Crane
You know, in terms of the stories in the Bible, I mean, to the point of resurrection, to the point of duplicating their body and being in two places at once, that point of healing people by channeling God, you know, all these amazing things. And so I think most of us believe, well, that’s only available to, you know, 2.00001% of special people.

00:27:40:11 – 00:27:55:23
Nathan Crane
But what the Vedas teach us is now this is our God given inherent right and ability. If we commit ourselves to to the process of knowing God. And I think that’s our higher purpose at some point, isn’t it?

00:27:57:06 – 00:28:33:18
Ashok Gupta
Yes. So what you’re describing here are what they call synthesis, these gifts that are given to us. And we might think, oh, maybe these are only given to special people. But as you say, I think everybody at some point in their lives is has an experience where they just had a sense of knowing about something like, I know that someone’s going to call me or I have an intuitive feeling, and that’s the first stepping point of the cities, is that inner intuition becomes even more powerful, and some may call this psychic gifts or whatever, but you kind of have this intuitive knowing about your life or some situation.

00:28:34:07 – 00:28:58:23
Ashok Gupta
And this all comes when, as you say, we are able to calm and store the minds more, engage with these practices, which then connects us to this higher realm, this higher universe, whatever we want to call it, is at the moment we’re playing small. We’re playing small just in the physical realm with our physical body. And when we see that as all that exists, then that’s the level of the game that we play.

00:28:58:23 – 00:29:20:23
Ashok Gupta
That’s right. But they will say, well, I only only believe what I see. Well, do you see x rays? Do you see radio waves? Do you see cosmic radiation? Do you see quarks? All of this stuff exists and we’ve come to realize it exists, but we can’t see it. Dark energy, dark matter. 96% of the universe we can’t see, we can’t touch.

00:29:20:23 – 00:29:42:00
Ashok Gupta
We have no proof of its existence. 96% of the stuff around us, we have no scientific proof even exists. And yet we know it’s there. So it’s not always about you. You’ll believe it when you see it. There’s a whole bunch of stuff that is beyond this purely physical realm, and many people have had those glimpses of that experience.

00:29:42:10 – 00:30:00:05
Ashok Gupta
So yes, part of our journey, our purpose, if you like, can be to build our awareness of when we’ve placed small with a small mind, elevate our consciousness so we can play the game at a higher level. And that is one way of looking at it.

00:30:00:19 – 00:30:29:16
Nathan Crane
It’s such there’s such a perfect explanation for my own life right now because, you know, 20 years ago when I really dove in and kind of headfirst into my spiritual journey, you know, there was the first seven or eight years I was like all encompassed. Focus on everything we’re talking about here. I had some great mentors and spiritual teachers and meditating hours and hours a day and journals and journals of downloads that I would write and all these practices.

00:30:30:00 – 00:30:52:09
Nathan Crane
And then over the years it’s like, then I go to the body, the physical world, the science, and I kind of get then I’d say almost play small if you will, like try to understand everything from a scientific viewpoint and how, you know, the organs work and how food affects us and diet and all these different things which has been important has been important part of the work that I’ve done.

00:30:52:17 – 00:31:16:23
Nathan Crane
Absolutely. But, you know, at some point, like I find I kind of found myself, even though I have my spiritual practices and meditations and qigong and all these things, a huge part of my focus was the physical, the material and getting kind of stuck in that, if you will. And then actually I went through some kind of recent injuries in my training as an athlete, and they they gave me such a blessing.

00:31:16:23 – 00:31:37:17
Nathan Crane
You know, once I finally let go of the attachment to it in my, you know, what I needed to do and my, you know, goals of being a professional athlete and these kinds of things just was like, okay, let go and let God, right? Let me let me trust God in this and just let go and then really start diving in to inner wisdom, to prayer, to meditation.

00:31:37:17 – 00:32:00:00
Nathan Crane
It just opened this whole new channel now, again, of this deeper spiritual practice and deeper spiritual yearning that I am just like, you know, hours a day I’m focused on now again, as I as I used to with a different perspective. Now the different perspective on diet and nutrition, a different perspective on the physical world, a different perspective on health and healing and exercise and all these things.

00:32:00:00 – 00:32:17:05
Nathan Crane
So I’m glad I’ve gone through that, but I think if we get stuck there, like you said, then we’re we’re playing small, we’re playing at this amateur level forever. Instead of getting ourselves to this professional level, you know, this higher level, this super conscious level that they talk about in the Vedas.

00:32:18:06 – 00:32:38:10
Ashok Gupta
Yes. And it’s a balance of both. I think so many of us, if we visited, you know, an ancient Indian temple, may have seen the symbolism. You’ll see that the symbol of the dancing Shiva. It’s a when you see this statue and he’s got one arm raised sorry, one leg raised in center dancing and then one right leg on the floor.

00:32:38:21 – 00:33:07:05
Ashok Gupta
And the symbolism behind that is that we are human beings and also spiritual beings. And yes, is that famous phrase, we’re spiritual beings having a human experience that we all have one foot grounded in the material world. And that’s still important because that serves the purpose of being here. And then we have one foot which is raised, which is that higher plane of imagination and creativity and consciousness, and both are important.

00:33:07:14 – 00:33:32:20
Ashok Gupta
And if we become too much in that grounded phase, as you say, of playing small and don’t appreciate the higher planes, then we will be just absorbed in the day to day suffering of life. And yet, in a similar way, we know about people who become too high on spirituality and meditation, and they are just focused on those higher planes and they lose their ability to function in day to day life.

00:33:32:20 – 00:33:40:00
Ashok Gupta
So they become so whatever, because they’ve they’ve completely let go of that material playing to too much of an extent that they are no longer grounded.

00:33:40:08 – 00:34:03:01
Nathan Crane
I’ve been I’ve been there literally, exactly as you said, wandering the streets, homeless, just in bliss in San Diego, with no desire to do anything material, you know. And it was it was a beautiful experience in my life for that time. But then I had that download. It was like, okay, but what’s next? Like, I have a different purpose here on the planet.

00:34:03:01 – 00:34:23:00
Nathan Crane
Like, I need to be grounded and do something physically, you know, I need to be a part of this world if I actually want to contribute to the world in a meaningful way, my, my I realized my purpose was not to go even as much as I wanted to at the time, go live in a cave, you know, somewhere in Himalayas or wherever.

00:34:23:00 – 00:34:41:23
Nathan Crane
I could feel it intuitively. That was not my purpose here on the planet. I needed to be grounded, you know, with this higher spiritual awareness, as you’re talking about, so that I can actually make a positive difference in people’s lives. And so I think what you’re saying is so true and so spot on that we need a balance.

00:34:41:23 – 00:35:00:09
Nathan Crane
They even talk about in the Vedas, where, you know, as you said, yoga. It’s not just about the physical yoga, it’s not just about the stretching. It is preparing the body for deeper meditation. It’s it’s they talk about keeping the body healthy, keeping the body strong, even meditating on a strong and healthy body because it’s our vehicle. We have to take care of it.

00:35:00:09 – 00:35:20:20
Nathan Crane
Right. We have to take care of this vehicle while we live here on earth. And if we can get it to a place of strength and mobility and flexibility and we can sit in a you know, meditation posture for up to 2 hours at a time without the body demanding, you know, I’m in pain or this hurts or whatever.

00:35:20:20 – 00:35:42:12
Nathan Crane
We can really get into those really deeper, deeper meditation. So taking care of the body is is essential. And I you know, I think that I’ve seen a lot of the number of spiritual people. When I lived in Encinitas, they were like all in on the the the, you know, spiritual side, but like forgot all about the body and forgot all about it and even, like, didn’t care about the body.

00:35:42:12 – 00:36:07:16
Nathan Crane
It doesn’t matter. And it’s like, well, no, it matters. It’s not everything. It matters and it is matter. Right? But it’s it’s not the only thing we should be focused on, which I think today is where most people are focused. Like that’s kind of where our social media, the evidence based approach, the, you know, health and healing. If it doesn’t have a double placebo blind controlled trial, then it doesn’t exist.

00:36:08:03 – 00:36:32:11
Nathan Crane
And we know how faulty that is. I mean, you’ve published some science. You know, how helpful science can be and also how detrimental because you could publish science on you have 100 peer reviewed, you know, published articles saying that vegetarians the best diet in the world and you could do the same thing for an omnivore diet. Now, omnivore is not there yet, but eventually they’ll find a way to do it right.

00:36:32:11 – 00:36:53:22
Ashok Gupta
So yeah, and I think what you’re describing here is the balance between love and discipline. And every parent knows this, right? The love is like the the arm raised in a dancing posture and the discipline is like the foot firmly on the ground that when you’re raising a child, if you do too much of one or the other, there’s an imbalance.

00:36:54:03 – 00:37:22:23
Ashok Gupta
And so there is always a balance between the two, the boundaries and various things. And similarly with us as human beings, that paradigm of learning spiritual knowledge and going off to the Himalayas and separating that paradigm isn’t what’s the current need of the time is actually the gift that we’re here to give this planet is to raise our consciousness and help others raise that consciousness, to wake ourselves up and wake others up to the truth of our identity and who we are.

00:37:23:10 – 00:37:48:17
Ashok Gupta
And that is a profound experience, both internally and relationally. It’s a beautiful experience. And I think that as we as we go along that journey, we ourselves are letting go. We’re letting go of all this stuff that is holding us back. But it’s sometimes referred to as a small mind, but in a loving way. And I think that’s where some of the texts have become a bit misinterpreted.

00:37:49:08 – 00:38:21:03
Ashok Gupta
It is not that we reject who we were for this higher space, but that we incorporate who we were and those things in a healing space to be able to transcend it. But it’s not ignoring it. And that sometimes, once again, some of this misinformation that’s out there about kind of Eastern thought. And so as we heal that and then we move to those higher and higher planes, we have done it in a way that is not a spiritual bypass, but is a spiritual engagement of who we were.

00:38:21:10 – 00:38:24:16
Ashok Gupta
And personally, I find parts were very powerful for that.

00:38:25:05 – 00:38:26:01
Nathan Crane
What is that?

00:38:26:19 – 00:38:50:04
Ashok Gupta
Parts. So parts therapy, internal family systems, it’s sometimes known as we’re looking at the fact that we got lots of subtext Nancy’s with us within us that we’re not made up of just one mind, but different parts of us come out at different times. We’ll have the angry part, we’ll have the frustrated part. We’ll have the part of is itself is the part of us that is a you know, an achiever, wants to push forward.

00:38:50:10 – 00:39:13:24
Ashok Gupta
And all of these parts compete for our resources and attention. And from a spiritual perspective, these are what they call the vastness. So these are the very strong impressions in our unconscious that pull us away from our witnessing awareness. And the job is not to ignore them and push them away, but to heal, to work with that with awareness and love and kindness and heal those.

00:39:14:10 – 00:39:25:02
Ashok Gupta
Isolate it, upset parts of ourselves so that they then evolve. And all parts of this evolve to become an integrated self versus a disintegrated self.

00:39:25:02 – 00:40:02:10
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I think you’re going to love Stryker’s work. You guys are going to really resonate a lot. Her MAP Program, I think you have a lot of similarities there. And she she kind of discovered a way to, you know, integrate, you know, the parts therapy and term family systems and other modalities in a way to get complete, rapid, gentle, full healing on all levels mind, spirit, body emotions, the the meridians, traditional Chinese medicine meridians, the chakras, everything, by engaging the use of the super conscious to do all of the healing for you without having to go and relive those traumatic experiences.

00:40:02:19 – 00:40:25:14
Nathan Crane
And they’ve been documented as scientifically and seeing, you know, people at a level ten phobia going up, you know, just a few flight of stairs and just can’t even overlook a balcony and just scared to death and literally doing, you know, a handful of minutes of a session and dropping that phobia from a ten to a five, doing another short session to a three.

00:40:25:19 – 00:40:50:13
Nathan Crane
So, I mean, within minutes to a02 hour, that person can go up and look over. And there’s no more fear, like deep, profound, rapid healing. So and I know, you know, your program is similar in a way that takes people through brain retraining and helps heal the subconscious and help heal emotional traumas and so forth, which is so powerful help regulate the nervous system.

00:40:50:13 – 00:40:55:22
Nathan Crane
But I think you guys are really I think you guys are really connect now.

00:40:55:22 – 00:41:16:22
Ashok Gupta
That sounds amazing. I’d love to find out more about her work. And I think as you’ve mentioned earlier in a point, there is healing going on all around us all the time now. And we see it in our clinic, whether it’s through spiritual healing or brain retraining. We see when people get it, when they understand that they’re not there as a victim, waiting for some doctor to give them a drill, that drug or a pill.

00:41:17:07 – 00:41:42:08
Ashok Gupta
But actually they can influence the course of their illness and their condition. Profound healing can take place. And we’ve also seen it in our program that sometimes within hours, someone who’s had a neurological paralysis has had been able to walk. Right. Because they realize that the brain at the unconscious level is what’s holding them back. So the key is how do we access some of these unconscious patterns?

00:41:42:08 – 00:41:56:11
Ashok Gupta
And that is always by going inwards to focus on being outwards in the world, as they say. When you go when you keep in the outside world, you go without that. We need to go with it.

00:41:56:11 – 00:42:01:20
Nathan Crane
Have you have you studied Buddhism much at all?

00:42:01:20 – 00:42:26:07
Ashok Gupta
It is not something that I have that I have studied. But interestingly, I was listening to one of my teachers just yesterday talking about the Buddha. And what people have to realize is that with the Buddha, his journey was as he lived, a life of a Zen Yazzie, of a Hindu cineaste. So he didn’t label himself as a Buddhist or Buddhism, didn’t exist at that particular time.

00:42:26:11 – 00:42:46:03
Ashok Gupta
Right. He was following a lot of the the ancient wisdom of the Vedas in his lifetime and in his awareness. He just had a particular bent on it, which was about the importance of, you know, he tried many different things. He tried fasting, he tried this, he tried this, he tried, you know, denying the body what it needs.

00:42:46:12 – 00:43:01:05
Ashok Gupta
But in the end for him, it was just sitting still and being with himself and meditating. That became his unique flavor of how to reach enlightenment. So certainly that knowledge all comes from that consistent space.

00:43:02:09 – 00:43:27:00
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And I mean, really the the essence of Buddhism is to end suffering, right? And suffering overcomes suffering in ourselves and help to by becoming enlightened help to end the suffering of all living beings. And so that’s really the main focus of Buddhism. Buddhism is not right. A religion that’s meant. It’s a philosophy. It’s a spiritual philosophy more than anything, even though it’s become a religion.

00:43:27:05 – 00:43:51:18
Nathan Crane
As you know, Jesus didn’t start the religion of Christianity. That wasn’t his intention. Actually, he was kind of against organized religion, you know, as most religions end up being formed by people who want power and control right at the end of day as well. So in form. But the thing I have been meditating on and reading a lot about in Buddhism and I just want to hear your thoughts on this concept is the concept of emptiness.

00:43:52:05 – 00:44:23:17
Nathan Crane
And, and I’m starting to as I read Raja Yoga from Swami Vivekananda and Raja Raja yoga is there’s a similar concept that I’m reading that comes from the Vedas. It has so far hasn’t been called emptiness, but trying to understand this deeper knowingness of emptiness that the body at its inherent, existent, core level is emptiness, the mind is emptiness, everything is emptiness.

00:44:23:17 – 00:44:44:07
Nathan Crane
And so I’m starting to get some some kind of understandings of it. I mean, certainly I have different concepts about it, but they say as you meditate on more and more and more and more, you get to the experience of fully knowing emptiness. And at that point, you know, you’re considered an enlightened being. It’s one of the path to enlightenment.

00:44:44:16 – 00:45:18:13
Nathan Crane
And so it’s you go beyond conceptual, like understanding it to fully knowing it. And I’m starting to see a similarity in Raja Yoga of like how because everything is one, everything comes from the same source, everything goes back to the same source that there is no separate individual other than, you know, just kind of this personal experience. We have even even in the quantum field, we know that every particle in the atom in the entire universe is connected to the same source.

00:45:18:13 – 00:45:32:13
Nathan Crane
And so this kind of revolving of creation and disintegration, creation, disintegration to me is starting to give me a deeper understanding of this concept of emptiness. But I want to hear your thoughts on it.

00:45:33:02 – 00:45:35:10
Ashok Gupta
If you go, Wow, Nathan, we’re really going deep today. Hey.

00:45:36:15 – 00:45:37:01
Nathan Crane
Why not?

00:45:37:11 – 00:46:02:13
Ashok Gupta
You’re asking the easy questions. That easy discussion. So this is a really important point around the philosophical basis of Buddhism, certain sects of Hinduism, and then the Vedic knowledge and the original source of that, which is hugely important for people to say, well, I want to say for others, for me personally was an important step of my awareness.

00:46:03:15 – 00:46:27:21
Ashok Gupta
So when we involved at the material plane, we see separation. So I’m over here, you’re over there, there’s a plant behind you. We see we see multiplicity in the material universe. And that’s the classical physics that everything is different and separate, like the the billiard balls analogy. I hit a ball over here that hits that ball over there and we have predictability in our existence around us.

00:46:27:21 – 00:46:49:16
Ashok Gupta
And that’s what is called scientific materialism. So that’s the first step. Yeah. And we see all of that separation and we take all of that for real as the ultimate reality. Yeah. And the ancient Vedic word is Maya. And actually, Maya is the roots of the word mind as well. And we see that as that’s all that exists.

00:46:49:16 – 00:47:16:00
Ashok Gupta
So then we play small in that environment and then whatever challenge comes in our life, something happens and we suddenly realize, Oh, maybe it’s not just this. Maybe there’s more to life than getting up, going to work, getting stressed, coming home, watching Netflix, going to bed, rinse, wash, repeat, as they say, right? Maybe there’s more to life. And then we start thinking maybe there’s something behind this multiplicity that I can see, this duality.

00:47:16:09 – 00:47:48:03
Ashok Gupta
Yeah. And with a lot of these traditions, what we are doing is negating that which we see as real and separate, so as an act of negation and in the Buddhist philosophy, there is that was his past. It was negating that which was not real with an attempt to come to a space of emptiness, as if emptiness is the ultimate reality or nothingness is the ultimate reality.

00:47:48:03 – 00:48:00:13
Ashok Gupta
And we see that in certain sects of Buddhism and also traditional Eastern philosophies as well, that nothingness is is what exists. It’s almost like not existence is the ultimate existence.

00:48:01:03 – 00:48:28:07
Nathan Crane
So in and just to clarify a little bit that might be certain sex but this what I’m learning on on the deeper teachings of emptiness is actually they clarify and that this comes from the Buddha Heart Sutras potentially the book I’m reading, I think it’s called Modern Buddhism, this spiritual Buddha teacher, they clarify the difference that the knowingness of emptiness is actually not nothingness.

00:48:28:07 – 00:48:57:07
Nathan Crane
It’s not the void. It’s different. And that’s, you know, there’s a deeper layer to that. Right. And and they don’t and they also don’t this again, particularly not saying other things you’re talking about, but just for clarity, they also don’t completely negate the existence that we have, like this physical existence, the the fact that we see each other, the fact that we can recognize our our separateness, they actually don’t talk about the negation of that.

00:48:57:07 – 00:49:25:16
Nathan Crane
They talk about as you get to a deeper layer of understanding that at the deepest essence, it is emptiness, even though, you know, the manifestation that we see is this, you know, what we believe to be an inherent existence is actually a false understanding, you know, even though we see it. And so it’s not necessarily a complete negation of it, but, you know, going deeper to understand what’s at the essence that makes sense.

00:49:26:12 – 00:49:27:03
Nathan Crane
Right.

00:49:27:03 – 00:49:53:11
Ashok Gupta
So again, I’d want you to just also clarify this. So thank you for clarifying that. I see that as two steps. So there is a an awareness of the emptiness and the negation, which then leads to the second step, which is the everything ness and the oneness. And so we cannot become who we are destined to be if we don’t let go of who we were.

00:49:54:11 – 00:50:15:06
Ashok Gupta
And so there is a letting go and a surrender of who we were, the old identifications. So that’s letting go of our old patterns are in our thoughts through a healing process to come to a more empty space so that then we that’s empty space is the platform by which we can realize and recognize our everything ness.

00:50:15:14 – 00:50:44:02
Nathan Crane
Let me ask you this. Do you think or have you seen that by meditating on that emptiness that we can just the fact of doing that alone can release and heal traumas, subconscious beliefs. You know, these attachments is alternative, you know, you know, negative belief systems is alternative personalities. Just that alone, can they be released and healed?

00:50:45:10 – 00:51:17:00
Ashok Gupta
So this is the analogy I gave of the dove. So imagine a dove. It needs three things to fly. It needs two wings and tail feathers. So the Western tradition is more the cognitive tradition, which is talking through these things, working through it, the therapy. And that is a beautiful wing. The Eastern traditions looked at it slightly differently, which was to observe and release, observe and release, because in the ancient times when these things were being made available, people had more time on their hands, right?

00:51:17:21 – 00:51:46:04
Ashok Gupta
There was less of the intensity and busyness of life. So people had the opportunity to meditate for many hours a day. Notice what was coming up for them and be able to let go and release them. And so therefore I see it. As for a dove to fly, if we have both components, it magnifies each other’s effects. So we have the interaction of the talking and the letting go at a conscious level, and also the meditation which supports that, which supports neuroplasticity and let it go.

00:51:46:17 – 00:52:08:19
Ashok Gupta
So yes, it is perfectly possible to sit and meditate and just be aware of when these patterns come up and observe them in a neutral mindset so they are released even. That’s why that’s what somatic work is. You’re allowing a self to experience that which you repress, the physical sensations in your body are representations of those old emotional vastness or patterns.

00:52:09:04 – 00:52:24:06
Ashok Gupta
You observe them, you let them go observe them, you let them go. You don’t get carried away with them. And in that way you release all that emotional baggage. And if you combine it with the other wing, I think it accelerates that path and magnifies that path. So it’s a two together, I think. Very powerful.

00:52:24:09 – 00:52:46:08
Nathan Crane
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, you could almost add, you know, to your I love your analogy. You could almost add to the tail feathers, right. I’d like a, you know, either a reprograming or a, you know, re, you know, positive reprograming, if you will, to redirect the mind and the direction that that you want it to go.

00:52:46:19 – 00:53:09:20
Ashok Gupta
Absolutely. So we call the tail feathers is actually your purpose and that’s the grounding. Yeah. So you can elevate your consciousness. Absolutely. But if it doesn’t have that grounding of a direction, an intent, a purpose, then you actually lose some of the reason that we’ve come to this planet. We could have just stayed high. That’s not literally how to that, but just stayed high.

00:53:09:20 – 00:53:25:06
Ashok Gupta
Right. But we came rooted to this grounded level for a specific gift to give to this planet, and that is the tail feathers to be able to give you direction. And that’s what happens. Many people can heal, but they can become even more depressed because they haven’t got that purpose and that discipline in life to to reach out for.

00:53:25:24 – 00:53:48:12
Ashok Gupta
But coming back to this point about you were moving and this is something that Srishti Ravi Shankar uses as an analogy is that sometimes in certain traditions there’s a missing step. We are moving from somebody to nobody to everybody. And so we are negating the somebody to become the nobody. So so that we can realize that we are the everybody.

00:53:49:08 – 00:54:03:15
Ashok Gupta
And a way that this can really come to light is imagine that you are God for a moment. Yeah, sure. We’d all love to imagine that. And nothing exists apart from you is pure love. You are God omnipotent. You can do whatever you want.

00:54:03:15 – 00:54:18:21
Nathan Crane
And yet actually it actually scary. It kind of scares me as I was reading about and Raja yoga is like the control. Learning to control all of prana means, you know, if you control Prana, you can control everything in the universe. I’m like, Oh, that’s actually kind of scary. I don’t think I don’t think I want that.

00:54:20:09 – 00:54:24:12
Ashok Gupta
But once you reach that state, you would have enough the ethical background.

00:54:25:22 – 00:54:33:24
Nathan Crane
Right? Right. I’m like, man, that’s that’s a lot of that’s a lot of responsibility in there to not mess something up for people. But.

00:54:34:20 – 00:54:58:09
Ashok Gupta
Exactly. So imagine you wake up in this beautiful white room, you can do whatever you want. So beautiful white canvas to do, to paint whatever you want. And so you have a dream. You are just one thing. You are the only thing that exists is this consciousness now. And you decide within this consciousness, which is one thing, the ultimate, everything.

00:54:58:09 – 00:55:20:08
Ashok Gupta
This, if that’s all that exists, like behind you, there is a table, there is a plant, there is a microsite. What is the common component is the business, the existence so if we say that the ultimate is existence, there is just one thing that exists, this one consciousness, and that consciousness decides to have a dream. Just like when we go to sleep at night, we have a dream.

00:55:20:15 – 00:55:46:22
Ashok Gupta
We are one consciousness. But guess what? In that dream we create a multiplicity. There’s suddenly a road and we’ve got friends and there are trees and there are experiences we go through. So that oneness, that one consciousness has created multiplicity and we can now identify with the characters in that dream and so imagine this is one dream that is going on, one consciousness, and we have identified with those individual people in that dream.

00:55:47:01 – 00:56:15:05
Ashok Gupta
So of course we’re going to be playing small because we now believe in this body, we believe in this existence as the ultimate reality. And suddenly, as we let go of that existence, that old person, that’s somebody we think we are. We realize that we come to a space of nothingness that I am not just is passive. We negate, negate, negate and realize there is that nothingness which then opens is up to let go the old identity and realize that we are the everything.

00:56:15:05 – 00:56:45:24
Ashok Gupta
This we are the one dreamer that is having the dream. And that is that second step from no, from somebody to nobody, as in negating the identity in the dream to then becoming the everybody we are, that all that exists, the one consciousness and we blend and merge with that everything this. So I think philosophically there is a difference between these different sects, which is this movement from an identification of a certain space to a nothingness.

00:56:46:13 – 00:56:56:08
Ashok Gupta
But then there is that second step of realizing we are oneness, we are everything that exists, and we are that one dream. And that is the ultimate somebody.

00:56:56:16 – 00:57:28:09
Nathan Crane
Hmm. It’s beautiful. And I’m just reminded of a Ephesians four six from the Bible, and it says one God and father of all who is above all and through all and in you. All right. So if God is in all of us and in all things, all living things and all material things, God is above, throughout, in all, there’s no delineation here in some of you or God is in some things.

00:57:28:09 – 00:57:38:17
Nathan Crane
It’s in above all who is above all and through all and in you all. That’s really the oneness that you’re speaking about, isn’t it?

00:57:39:13 – 00:58:10:07
Ashok Gupta
It is. Some people call it monotheism. Pantheism is this idea that you can observe God, because if God is the very existence, if it is existence itself, it is everything that exists. It is the field within it with everything exists that all of us are a part of that one God. Now then it becomes for some people blasphemous to say, I am God, you are God, because we behave in very ungodly ways and say to people around us, so you say, how can we will be God?

00:58:10:07 – 00:58:45:18
Ashok Gupta
And yet this there’s this counterargument that it doesn’t make any sense. The point is that we are on a journey to go from realizing what God is, not to what God is. We’re just doing it in a field of possibilities where everything can exist. The opposite of what we might describe as Godly can exist in order for us to play the game in this relative universe, to get to that which exists and in Vedic knowledge, they call this subject Ananda.

00:58:45:18 – 00:59:13:13
Ashok Gupta
So this is the the truth. The existence subject to death is that consciousness, that there’s one consciousness and a number is that it is the nature of bliss and love. And for in my documentary series, I talk about Blue. So I say that the ultimate existence is the one blue consciousness, and blue stands for bliss, love, unity. So that’s the oneness and E stands for eternal existence.

00:59:13:18 – 00:59:39:22
Ashok Gupta
So beyond time and space. So we can represent that oneness is blue, the one blue consciousness brummett, whatever you want to call it. And within that space of the blue consciousness, that blue consciousness says, Let’s play a game, or like a game, let’s create a relative universe where all the opposites of bliss, love, unity and eternal existence can exist in this field, this relative field.

00:59:40:18 – 01:00:10:02
Ashok Gupta
And let’s create these. Let’s split myself up into infinite numbers of unique souls who can then come and experience this relative universe, and they have the complete freedom to do whatever they want to choose, whatever they want to experience. All the opposites of blue in order to transcend that old identity, become the nothingness to then fully, then realize the fullness of being who they blame.

01:00:10:03 – 01:00:23:22
Ashok Gupta
The one blue consciousness says a rebirth into oneness and fullness. The ultimate existence is not nonexistence. The ultimate existence is existence, just everything. This is the way I humbly am.

01:00:23:22 – 01:00:49:12
Nathan Crane
Yeah, that’s that’s a fascinating way to look at it. And as I continue to study the Bible, I just find more and more evidence that it’s basically teaching very similar, if not the same things that were taught in the Vedas, you know, Psalms 80 26i have said, ye are gods and all of you are children of the most high, right?

01:00:49:12 – 01:01:09:24
Nathan Crane
So this I mean, there are so many of these passages that are but as many as John 112, but as many as received him to them, gave him power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name and believe in the original language that it was written. And you have Aramaic of Hebrew, you have Greek.

01:01:09:24 – 01:01:37:01
Nathan Crane
When you look up that the original language of believe was written and actually meant to to put your trust into, to follow, to basically do as they do, do as Jesus did, for example. Right So it’s not just a bill. Some people have this idea of like just believing in Jesus or believing in God. It’s actually no stepping into you know, having that the action the action is the most important part.

01:01:38:05 – 01:01:58:15
Nathan Crane
But yeah, I mean, there are so many, you know, Genesis two seven and the Lord God for men of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils, the breath of life and man became a living soul. And then we look at the Vedas, teaching pranayama and controlling the breath. And the breath is our direct connection to God, to our higher power.

01:01:58:15 – 01:02:30:24
Nathan Crane
It connects us into, you know, the inner world so that we can, you know, connect with the subtleties, the subtle energies within our body and start to control the prana, start to control the life force. So, I mean, it’s all throughout the Bible if you just look right, if you’re not if you’re not conditioned to believe that you’re this week sinful human being that can never, you know, be great in the eyes of God, you, you, you know, have to you have to constantly be reminded that you’re a sinner.

01:02:30:24 – 01:02:50:02
Nathan Crane
And then hopefully, if you do all the right things, when you go to the pearly gates, you know, you’ll be led into heaven. But if not, you might be burned in hell for the rest of eternity. It’s like, you know, that concept to me is absolutely not in alignment with a loving or compassionate or caring, you know, God.

01:02:50:02 – 01:02:52:10
Nathan Crane
And when we not.

01:02:53:07 – 01:03:21:17
Ashok Gupta
Yeah. So I mean, I sympathize with, you know, we have a lot of people who come into our clinic who are strong Catholics and, you know, different Christian traditions, different religious traditions. And we have to work a lot on that. Even the self-esteem aspect of, you know, imagine you’ve come from a rough background, you’ve had a traumatic background anyway, and then your philosophy tells you that you are evil and sin and can’t be forgiven.

01:03:22:05 – 01:03:47:11
Ashok Gupta
You know, the impact that that has on someone’s psyche in someone’s consciousness is, you know, is profound. And helping people recognize that there are so many different aspects to the philosophy that they can look into themselves in these traditions, in these books. And the reason that you will see so many crossovers between ancient texts, between different religions around the world is because not many people realize this.

01:03:47:11 – 01:04:19:11
Ashok Gupta
But in the ancient times in India, the Indian Empire was not going in conquest. In the conquest, it wasn’t ruled over, it was actually the spread of knowledge. And so the ancient swamis, they would go in boats around the world to spread this message of love and kindness over thousands and thousands of years. And that influenced so many different races around the world, so many different cultures, and brought some of these teachings into those spaces.

01:04:19:20 – 01:04:41:13
Ashok Gupta
So as an example, you go to lots of spaces in East Asia, so Thailand, you go to Cambodia, etc. They are replete with ancient Hindu temples that were then changed into Buddhist temples at that particular time because that knowledge that was the Indian love that they had, they wanted to spread this knowledge far away so swamis would travel.

01:04:41:19 – 01:04:55:01
Ashok Gupta
And that’s why you see so many crossovers with even the kind of Vedic knowledge and the ancient wisdom of of China. Now, I’m not saying that it didn’t originate in China, but I’m saying these influences were spread far and wide. And that’s why you see that in many texts around the world.

01:04:55:18 – 01:05:24:13
Nathan Crane
Yeah, there’s the famous Tibetan Buddhist monastery of the Hemings or Hemings. How do you say that? That, you know, they have even is someone I mean, in their in their monastery a story and a mythology of, you know, a man coming from basically, you know, the area of Israel and coming and learning their ways, you know, calling even using the terms of like son of man or son of God.

01:05:24:13 – 01:05:51:02
Nathan Crane
I can’t remember what terms, you know, learning and then going back, bringing the wisdom back to his people. And, you know, you have the last years of Jesus. And there are many who believe and have looked into it that it’s very possible Jesus during those years, you know, traveled to India and learned these concepts and then took it back to Israel and to, you know, all of the Middle East there and taught these concepts.

01:05:51:18 – 01:06:12:05
Nathan Crane
It’s a very, very plausible, you know, that trade route. There was a very common trade route. It would have been very possible to travel that and then come back. And and it’s interesting because when you look at Jesus’s life and what he did and what he taught, you know, it’s very, very similar to what’s taught in the Vedas.

01:06:12:05 – 01:06:17:17
Nathan Crane
So, you know, I believe it more and more that that’s a real possibility, which is that there.

01:06:17:17 – 01:06:40:02
Ashok Gupta
Are there are sects in India that, as you say, claim that this was where certain Western figures and so we might put them in inverted terms, came to study, came to absorb this knowledge, and then it was spread far and wide. And what you know, there are 30 gospels now. People think there are four gospels, there are 30 gospels.

01:06:40:09 – 01:07:09:03
Ashok Gupta
And if you read some of these Gnostic gospels and some of the original sources, they talks of a very different character who was playful, that loved, that talked about love and kindness in and didn’t talk about this idea of kind of punishment, but talked about your own journey. But of course, when the Christian religion became officially part of the Roman Empire in the fourth century, with Constantinople, they had to pick the specific gospels that they decided went into the final version of the Bible.

01:07:09:16 – 01:07:34:24
Ashok Gupta
And that, you know, we can talk about that for ages and how that process happened and why they chose the books that they chose and how they edited them in order to facilitate then once again, the top down approach that the Roman took at that particular time and used the religion as a way of investing in that. And that’s why we if you read the Gnostic gospels, yeah, it’s a very, very different character to what you read in the course of the Gospels.

01:07:35:18 – 01:08:04:17
Nathan Crane
Yeah, absolutely. And much more in aligned with the New Testament of Jesus. I mean, everything that Jesus was espoused to do through the New Testament was a very loving character. Right. I mean, if someone hits you on one cheek, turn the other cheek, right? Never retaliate, never attack, never harm somebody else. I mean, he gave the ultimate sacrifice of his life even even when he was being stoned and he was being, you know, basically crucified.

01:08:04:17 – 01:08:25:20
Nathan Crane
It was like, no, there’s no retaliation. You know, Father, please forgive them for they know not what they do. I mean, to the last words of his breath, he was a living testament of a pure, compassionate, pure, loving, right, pure, caring, human being, you know, son of God and just as you know, it’s written in the Bible, you too shall become signs of God.

01:08:25:21 – 01:08:45:22
Nathan Crane
Jesus also said you too. You know, Billy, and I can’t remember the exact passage and have it written down the exact verse. But you will do these things and even greater than I, you know. And he was talking about how if you believe in me, you follow me, you do as I do. You too can do the things that I’ve done.

01:08:45:24 – 01:09:05:06
Nathan Crane
They were amazed, you know, he’s a healer and, you know, helped all these lepers, you know, heal from all these diseases. And he’s basically teaching, you know, do as I do. Follow me. And you, too, shall do these things and even greater. And That wasn’t for a select few. That was I mean, that was the teachings that he shared with everybody openly.

01:09:05:06 – 01:09:30:05
Nathan Crane
I mean, this was and somehow, you know, whatever without getting into, you know, we could we could theorize on this or talk about, you know, conspiracies or ideas. But somehow, even though those are in the Bible, they get overlooked. They don’t get talked about. They don’t get preached about in churches like and and people are constantly filled with this idea that, you know, you can never be like Jesus.

01:09:30:05 – 01:09:51:23
Nathan Crane
In fact, that is unreachable and unattainable and blasphemy if you say that you can. I had a really great in-depth conversation on the love of God and through the Bible with my good friend Jonathan Otto. It’s on the podcast. People can go listen to that. And you know how this concept has been completely misinterpreted, misunderstood to the Bible.

01:09:51:23 – 01:10:13:10
Nathan Crane
And this is somebody who spent literally tens of thousands of hours or at least 10,000 plus hours studying the Bible and reflecting and meditating on these things that really God is not only a mirror through the mirror of, you know, this this vengeful God is showing a mirror of himself to the person speaking to in the Bible, but that God is all loving all the time.

01:10:13:10 – 01:10:37:02
Nathan Crane
There is not a vengeful God, there’s not a hateful God. And even in the passages to say fear God, when you look up the original meaning of fear in that original language, it was written. It actually means to revere. So revere God, not fear God, not be a fear God fearing man, not be afraid of God, but to revere God, which is totally different means to respect.

01:10:37:16 – 01:10:55:07
Nathan Crane
To respect. And then in the same passage says, fear, God, fear God, love God, right, revere God, respect God, love God, you know, these concepts start to make so much more sense of of what was being taught to us in the Bible.

01:10:56:03 – 01:11:19:12
Ashok Gupta
Yes. And I think it’s it’s beautiful how you explaining this. There is a it’s our own evolution through the scriptures. So rather than it being a top down approach, it’s actually that studying of the Scriptures so that we evolve a higher understanding. And what’s interesting about these scriptures is that, you know, as you said, with above, there are these Eastern scriptures.

01:11:19:12 – 01:11:49:02
Ashok Gupta
They always required a swami or a teacher to lead you through it because there’s so many misinterpretations that can be taken, you can justify anything if you read a passage, if you haven’t got that support of a teacher. Now, in the case of, you know, many different texts, what’s happened is there’s two belief systems. If we say that our our book is literally the word of God, literally, then that puts us in one belief system.

01:11:49:20 – 01:12:09:08
Ashok Gupta
Yeah. And then secondly, our way is the only way that these are the basically only two core belief systems that then separate is of course every problems on this planet. My book is The Word of God is written by God, and that’s the final word on it. It did talk after that. And then secondly, my way is the only way to reach God.

01:12:10:02 – 01:12:32:01
Ashok Gupta
And when we are able to perhaps just open ourselves up to loosen up those two belief systems and say, hang on, there’s more here. This profound voice is profound things that uplift me as a human being. But can I temporarily let go of those two core beliefs and open myself up? Then we start evolving our understanding of that religion and we start incorporating the beauty that’s there.

01:12:32:18 – 01:12:53:14
Ashok Gupta
Because, as you say, there’s so many things which are contradictory in terms of these two faces of divinity, one face being loving and kind and worn as long as you do it my way. But if you don’t, I won’t even just dispose of you. I’m going to make I going to talk to you for your eternity in hell.

01:12:54:06 – 01:13:18:05
Ashok Gupta
And you going to give you one. I won’t even give you multiple chances. Thousands of chance. Only the one chance. And if you don’t get to me, bad luck. This is what’s going to happen to you. And that is that philosophy is incompatible for most beings with this idea of a love unconditionally loving God. And that’s what causes so much internal turmoil around this knowledge.

01:13:18:13 – 01:13:45:01
Nathan Crane
It’s true, I can tell you, I’ve been to hell. I know what it feels like to burn in hell. I know, I know. And that was of my own doing. That was of my own unconscious doing. That was drug addiction, alcohol addiction, sexual addiction, sugar addiction, you know, living a completely opposite godly life, living a life of deceit and lies and lust.

01:13:45:01 – 01:14:15:14
Nathan Crane
And that is hell, absolutely hell on earth every single day. Seeking that next high, seeking that next, you know, pride, fullness and an egotistical life like that is absolutely hell. And I I’ve experienced hell. And I know many people have. And there are many people suffering in hell today on this planet. I don’t think we get sent to a hell to burn in some other realm, even though that concept is in Buddhism as well.

01:14:15:14 – 01:14:35:04
Nathan Crane
Actually, they’re called hell beings that if you don’t, you know, if you if you live with bad karma in this life, you do go into another life that is, you know, to burning in hell. So I kind of finally find that kind of interesting that you do find that in the Buddhist text as well. But I can tell you, you can burn in hell in this life and and we do it to ourselves.

01:14:35:04 – 01:14:55:11
Nathan Crane
And I really think that’s what is meant by those teachings that when you go against God, when you are not godly, like when you are not forgiving and compassionate and loving and you lust in, you covet a neighbor’s wife and you kill and you murder and you use drugs and all these things that the Bible teaches and these ancient teachings teach us not to do.

01:14:55:22 – 01:15:17:23
Nathan Crane
And you do these things. You do live and burn in hell. And yet through forgiveness and through compassion and through love and through self-awareness and healing, we can then be freed from that hell and live in a heaven. I can tell you, the life I live now is is so much more heavenly. And I know there’s more to go than ever it’s been in my entire life.

01:15:17:23 – 01:15:45:16
Nathan Crane
But it’s been 20 years of work, you know, 20 years of spiritual study, 20 years of meditation, 20 years of healing my subconscious, 20 years of of of changing my life and my, you know, transforming. And so, you know, on the forgiveness and kindness of God, you know, Ephesians 432 and be kind one to another tenderhearted forgiving one another, even as God, for Christ’s sake, hath forgiven you.

01:15:45:24 – 01:16:21:00
Nathan Crane
Matthew 614 If you forgive men their trespasses, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. Speaking to Jacob about people not honoring God. Isaiah 4325 I even I am that it blotted out thy transgressions for my own sake and will not remember thy sins. So even all the terrible things I’ve done earlier in my life, unconsciously addiction, all the people that I hurt, I’ve asked for forgiveness I’ve had to go through and forgive myself and do this many, many, many times and heal these traumas.

01:16:21:00 – 01:16:46:09
Nathan Crane
And, you know, in my own meditations and try find all the people I hurt and and ask for their forgiveness and send them love and kindness for the transgressions that I have acted upon them. And I feel the freedom from that and knowing that that’s coming from this understanding of being forgiven by God. And so, you know, I do believe we can transcend our sins and transcend, but we we have to work at it.

01:16:46:09 – 01:16:47:21
Nathan Crane
It has to be a daily practice.

01:16:48:09 – 01:17:13:16
Ashok Gupta
Yeah. Yeah. And I think the interesting, the word work I always love for people to recognize this as a beautiful evolution and that it is the path that we are on, whether we take it consciously or unconsciously, we’re all on the spiritual path. We can choose to do it consciously, or it can just be an accidental process where we’re buffeted by the world around us.

01:17:14:07 – 01:17:20:01
Ashok Gupta
And it reminds me that some of that beautiful song by Belinda Carlisle. Right, ooh, heaven is a place on earth.

01:17:20:13 – 01:17:24:03
Nathan Crane
Hey, hey, go. Hey, you got a great you got a great voice. Keep going.

01:17:24:18 – 01:17:32:20
Ashok Gupta
They say in heaven love comes first We’ll make heaven a place on earth right so.

01:17:32:24 – 01:17:34:02
Nathan Crane
Nice, nice.

01:17:34:17 – 01:17:57:22
Ashok Gupta
Neutral, right? It doesn’t care whether you make heaven or hell. That heaven and hell is created in our own minds, through our own responses, our own tragedies, our own emotions that overwhelm us. We create that heaven or hell here in this thing that experiences the world. The world is neutral. And we then get to decide, okay, I’m aware of that now.

01:17:58:05 – 01:18:21:11
Ashok Gupta
I have so many desires. I want this, I want that and this is causing this turmoil and emotion within me. So I am at that somebody’s stage. I think I am somebody I’m involving my ego. I want all of this stuff. And this is stressing out and as you say it, causing the suffering. And as we recognize that that are suffering is I won’t say totally self-created, but partially self-created in our response to our environment.

01:18:21:19 – 01:18:45:19
Ashok Gupta
We begin to work on that with awareness to let that go, let that go, to then lose that old identity of who we were to become that nothingness. Yeah. Which is the person who is letting go of needs, wants and desires from the outside world and becomes a self-sufficient nobody. But in that space of nobody guess what our natural divine self starts manifesting.

01:18:46:02 – 01:19:10:20
Ashok Gupta
So that’s when we start moving towards the everybody with it. Natural states of joy, natural states of bliss, the natural loving state of who we are, the divine qualities they start coming through. I think it was Buddha who said they asked him, How did you become a light? And he said, I gained nothing and lost everything. Hmm. What I was talking about was that first step.

01:19:10:23 – 01:19:29:16
Ashok Gupta
I feel I’ve lost everything. I’ve lost that person who I was. I have lost all those desires. I’ve lost that engagement in the small mind, in the small world, as let that go. And I gained nothing. I didn’t need to gain anything because when I let go of that first, everything in that first step and become nobody and nothing, guess what?

01:19:30:05 – 01:19:53:21
Ashok Gupta
Naturally the next step evolves within me, which is I become everybody, which is such that under the natural bliss, love, unity starts manifesting through me. And I start achieving that potential and I become my destiny, who we’re all destined to become whilst in the physical body.

01:19:55:05 – 01:20:08:21
Nathan Crane
Might drop boom. She goes, Beautiful man. There’s been a great conversation. I think it’s a good, good place to put a pin on it. Where can people learn more about you and your program and get in touch with you?

01:20:10:00 – 01:20:42:11
Ashok Gupta
Sure. So if somebody has a chronic condition, so kind of we treat as, you know, neuro immune long-covid, fibromyalgia, all those cups of conditions and sensitivity reactions, even anxiety. They can come to our website, which is. GUPTA Program, dot coms. GUPTA Program dot com or indeed download our app so you get it app store, play store and start retraining your brain straight away exercises, videos, etc. All these are great stuff that and if people are interested in this more esoteric conversation that we’ve had today, wow, it’s been some amazing questions.

01:20:42:11 – 01:21:01:11
Ashok Gupta
Nathan So really deep. They can watch my documentary series so. They can also go to the App Store, a place to search for meaning of life experiment. And when you search for that, you can download the free app. It’s a complete not for profit program and in that is a 30 day program to discover more happiness, meaning, and your life’s purpose.

01:21:01:23 – 01:21:24:16
Ashok Gupta
So each day you have a 20 minute video, a ten or 20 minute meditation, and so it’s a structured program to really go deeper into many of the concepts that we’ve discussed today. It goes through quantum physics, it goes through meditation, goes through manifestation, and it builds a whole model of existence and the universe and a logical step by step process.

01:21:24:16 – 01:21:28:12
Ashok Gupta
So lots of people to experience and give me their feedback and it’s completely free.

01:21:29:01 – 01:22:02:19
Nathan Crane
I’m literally downloading it right now, so thank you. Yeah. Thanks, bro. This has been man, you’re a wealth of knowledge. You absolutely. You know, we’ve had some good conversations over the last few years, but I think this is definitely the deepest. I see how much you know, just wisdom and experience you have and how all of your esoteric and spiritual, you know, research and deep experimental passion with as you live it into your meditations, has informed the work that you do in helping people heal from chronic ailments.

01:22:02:19 – 01:22:06:20
Nathan Crane
So it’s such a beautiful thing to see. So thanks, brother. Appreciate you coming on the podcast.

01:22:07:15 – 01:22:10:08
Ashok Gupta
No much love. It’s been amazing. Thank you so much, Nathan.