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00:00:00:00 – 00:00:07:08
Nathan Crane
Hey guys, welcome back to the podcast. Today I am joined by Dr. Mike Van Thielen. Dr. Mike, thanks so much for coming on, man.

00:00:07:21 – 00:00:09:16
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Thanks for having me, Nathan. It’s pleasure.

00:00:10:14 – 00:00:37:05
Nathan Crane
So Dr. Mike is the bestselling author of Access to Success. He’s the founder of the Health Freedom Movement and Speaker, where he shares stages with people like Les Brown and Brian Tracy and Darren Hardy. He’s got over 30 years in optimal health, anti-aging, sports performance, nutrition and biohacking. He was a record breaking swimmer himself, all-American athlete, and coached the Belgian Olympic swim team.

00:00:37:18 – 00:01:12:16
Nathan Crane
He’s also the medical director at Clary Gen Z Health and he’s a physician at Boston Neuro Pain and Psych Centers. So, Dr. Mike, I’m excited about the conversation today. I want to get into, you know, performance and health performance and longevity and anti-aging and shares. If you don’t mind, maybe we can start with some of the cutting edge things that you guys are doing in the clinics and the places that you’re working and working with clients and patients in helping them to really optimize their health for, you know, longevity and for anti-aging.

00:01:12:16 – 00:01:15:17
Nathan Crane
What are some of the things that you’re seeing a lot of success with?

00:01:16:18 – 00:01:44:11
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Well, you know, it’s kind of depends, but because I categorize my patients or clients in different categories to see what the next step is. But generally speaking, when it comes to biohacking or like I like to call it, upgrading the body, the mind and life, objectively reversing our biological age. You know, currently I think my top three bio hacks or treatments, if you will, would be, you know, number one, hydrogen inhalation, molecular hydrogen inhalation.

00:01:44:11 – 00:02:07:24
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
I think I’ve been helping many people with cancer, Parkinson’s, you know, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, all the way to top athletes. And I inhale it an hour per day myself. So I think that would be one of the top three. The other one, I think would be need plus an entity which help, obviously, with your mitochondrial function, genetic expression.

00:02:07:24 – 00:02:33:14
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
And the list goes on. And the number three, I think I would have to say breathwork, because it’s it’s very underrated. Oxygen obviously is important to live. But at the same time, too much oxygen is oxidizing it’s oxidative stress, it’s rusting, it’s aging. And we really don’t want to age. Right. So unfortunately, most of us don’t know how to breathe properly and exhale properly and and utilize the nose to do that.

00:02:33:14 – 00:02:45:00
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
So I think it’s something very simple and easy to learn, which makes a huge difference when it comes to logic, longevity and health. So those, I guess today would be my top three.

00:02:46:18 – 00:03:17:14
Nathan Crane
So the sample regular hydrogen inhalation. So why why inhalation instead of, you know, hydrogen water, for example, I’ve got a hydrogen water machine. You know, it puts molecular I actually have two different machines, one that actually creates and puts molecular hydrogen into the water. And then I have a separate one that actually creates hydrogen as if it was a fresh spring up in the mountains coming out of the earth, where it’s actually passing through the minerals and the water.

00:03:17:14 – 00:03:29:24
Nathan Crane
Passing through the minerals creates hydrogen in the water. Now, maybe as two conversations, what your thoughts on hydrogen water and then why molecular hydrogen inhalation?

00:03:30:18 – 00:04:00:09
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Well, first of all, you know, when it comes to the water, which obviously has been around for a few years, the inhalation is newer, but the water usually most the concentration usually is about 1.7. CC AutoML Same things as your an important lead or that of hydrogen in water right. So with the inhalation based on the type of equipment that you use, I got a piece of equipment I’m looking at that produces six, 600 cc’s of flow rate per minutes.

00:04:00:15 – 00:04:27:10
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Now the concentration of pure hydrogen is only 4.3 because at 4.5%, it would ignite and become flammable. Right. So 4%. So. So I’m I’m getting about 25 CCS or MLS per minutes. Why are you’re getting about 1.7 per liter? So if I inhale 10 to 15 minutes, you would have to drink 100 gallons to get the same amount.

00:04:27:17 – 00:04:45:23
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
So that’s kind of the difference. Now, that’s one reason why I think the water would be more applicable. And I like the combination because the equipment I have does both the inhalation and produces the water. Right? And if I’m going to drink water any way, it’s got to be hydrogen water. Why not? If you’re going to drink the water right.

00:04:45:23 – 00:05:23:22
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
But if we’re talking about patients or people that have got problems or stomach problems or GI problems, then I think drinking may be a good idea because now it comes in direct contact with the area. When we inhale, it obviously goes through the system, right? And it goes through the whole body. But if we can get in direct contact immediately with the gut, you know, people with Crohn’s disease, IBS, any stomach issues, digestive issues, food intolerances, whatever, I think the drinking there would be important, I would suggest a combination of both that would work synergistically.

00:05:23:22 – 00:05:25:02
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Of course.

00:05:25:02 – 00:05:51:12
Nathan Crane
Yeah. So can you talk about the benefits of hydrogen? I mean, hydrogen is one of the if you go to pub med, I mean, literally thousands of studies on hydrogen, its role. Yeah, its role in the body. It’s you know, what it does is cellular level, the repairing of, you know, mitochondria, the gastrointestinal tract and what it does for, you know, helping heal the gut like there’s so many benefits from hydrogen.

00:05:51:12 – 00:05:54:10
Nathan Crane
Can you talk about some of the top ones?

00:05:54:10 – 00:06:17:20
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Yeah. Again, it has a benefit right now, those 2400 studies, there’s it shows that it’s as a positive effect on over 170 diseases. Right. Including cancer, neurodegenerative diseases like dementia, Parkinson’s, Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s. And also, you know, autoimmune conditions. And you would say, wow, can it help all those diseases as well because it works on a mitochondrial cellular level.

00:06:17:20 – 00:06:38:13
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Right. That’s why it has an impact on everything that has to do with health and disease. So I think the first thing people need to understand that molecular hydrogen basically is the smallest molecule that we know. It’s the lightest element on the planet and it’s a potent antioxidant. But what’s the difference between vitamin C, D, Selenium, zinc, all the things we heard about during COVID and the hydrogen, right?

00:06:38:20 – 00:06:57:18
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
So a vitamin C, then the antioxidants that we know of, they are large molecules and they are charged. And because they are charged, they cannot cross the cell membrane and they cannot enter the cell. No, hydrogen is the only antioxidant that is not charged and easily can cross the cell membrane and enter the cell to protect our alternate DNA.

00:06:57:18 – 00:07:19:21
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Mitochondria are proteins and everything else, right? So I think that’s number one. Number two, you know, I mean, let’s talk about this for a second. Let’s take one of the worst diseases, cancer. Right. So what is cancer? Cancer is a mutation of what’s the DNA of our nucleus in the DNA of our mitochondria. That’s that’s what cancer is a mutation of those days.

00:07:20:04 – 00:07:42:18
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Now, what causes the mutation of those DNA so. Well, it’s free radicals inside the cell, like like hydroxyl free radicals. And so they cause the mutation. And there are studies like you mentioned out there that show that hydrogen is a selective and silent, meaning it can go inside the cell and neutralize those harmful, hydroxyl free radicals which cause the mutation of the cells.

00:07:42:18 – 00:08:05:19
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
So it shows that hydrogen is an has an antitumor effect. It suppresses the formation of tumors. I mean, that’s huge. That’s on its own. Right. And so so that’s number one. It’s the and the oxidant that can protect us inside of this cell. It’s the only one, really. Number two, you know, a lot of those studies showed that it has anti-inflammatory, inflammatory properties.

00:08:06:02 – 00:08:32:03
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
So we know especially conventional medicine now actually agrees that 90, 90% or more of all diseases is directly correlated to systemic inflammation in our body. So hydrogen, again, can manage or reduce that systemic inflammation. The study showed that there’s a significant reduction in TNF tumor necrosis factor and also in our INTERLEUKINS one, A one, B, six, eight and ten and what are those?

00:08:32:03 – 00:09:01:16
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Those are all cytokines. Those are cells that cause inflammation and hydrogen produces those cytokines and that inflammation. So again, strong anti inflammatory strong enter oxidase oxidative. And then if we want to go a little bit deeper, obviously it also stimulates autophagy which is cleaning up that cells and regenerating cells in our body. And it also is anti apoptosis, which is a fancy word again for, you know, cell cell death.

00:09:01:16 – 00:09:21:17
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Right. So it has many, many properties that will affect any human in a very positive way. And as you know, because you have it there, it’s very easy to use. It’s 100% safe. We don’t need medical assistance to do it. And we can do it right from our own home.

00:09:21:17 – 00:09:52:10
Nathan Crane
Well, let’s just talk about how natural hydrogen is in the human body already. Right. There’s something there’s there’s science that’s been published that shows the human body can produce somewhere around 13 liters of hydrogen gas in our large intestine daily. Right. And a hydrogen gas is primarily produced from the fermentation of carbohydrates, let’s say fruits and vegetables and beans and legumes, these kinds of things, the bacteria ferment the carbohydrates.

00:09:52:14 – 00:10:17:21
Nathan Crane
And one of the byproducts is hydrogen, right? And hydrogen, not all of it gets absorbed into the body. I think it’s worth maybe 30, 40% gets absorbed. The rest, you know, we burp it out, we fight it out, we breathe it out. But a lot of it is produced for the cellular function, the antioxidant function, the anti-cancer, the antitumor, the anti-inflammatory functions that you just talked about.

00:10:18:04 – 00:10:34:20
Nathan Crane
So it’s it’s a very natural internal production that our bodies already do. And we’re eating healthy, real foods and we have good bacteria, good microflora in our gut that are producing this hydrogen as these, you know, all these natural effects.

00:10:35:07 – 00:11:01:08
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
You just mentioned the problem, right? If we eat good, wholesome, organic foods and so that we have those, you know, fruits, vegetables and fibers. So that’s that’s the first premise. The second premises is as we age, obviously, you know, also, you know, the enzymatic activity and the bacterial functions diminished. So as we age, it’s even more important, important to supplement not just with supplements, but also in this case with hydrogen.

00:11:02:04 – 00:11:27:09
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Because what we really want to do, I mean, it kind of depends, right? So I use it an hour per day and inhale. It’s it’s preventative, preventative medicine, right? Because if I can and it’s also, you know, increasing my performance as an athlete or even not as an athlete, my daily performance, my body and my mind. Because, again, it’s it helps with the the clean energy productions production within our mitochondria.

00:11:27:15 – 00:11:51:08
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
It delays fatigue, it removes lactic acid from the blood much faster. And the list goes on according to all the research that we mentioned. So but I think when we are in a disease state, when we are diagnosed with a disease state, we’re already in a compromised. Right. So our body is putting out fires. And many times it has to do with, you know, a poor diet and many other factors that that are the cause of these factors.

00:11:51:08 – 00:12:20:06
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
So especially the people that are in health could benefit from reestablishing a good electrical potential or a micro voltage into the gut with hydrogen, because many of those digestive problems, you know, when you go to the doctor, they will prescribe, you know, a specific diet. And often those diets don’t work because they overlook the cause. The good bacteria that you just talked about, the anaerobic bacteria they cannot colonize if the environment is not suitable for them.

00:12:20:06 – 00:12:44:01
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
And so the environment needs to be 300 millivolts or higher and hydrogen will accomplish that in a matter of just a few weeks, is to reestablish that vitamin in which those good bacteria can colonize. And so that’s just another, you know, application of hydrogen, especially with people with GI problems and Crohn’s disease. And so that in a few weeks, usually we turn the situation around just by reestablishing that environment.

00:12:44:16 – 00:12:44:24
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Wow.

00:12:45:09 – 00:13:10:17
Nathan Crane
That’s super powerful. All right. So we got hydrogen. And let’s talk about Nad Plus, right, nicotinamide something I find, you know, entity plus nicotinamide is found in basically every cell, right? Every healthy cell. And it’s also what I find interesting is chemically structurally similar to nicotine. And we actually have nicotine receptors on many of our cells, which I don’t think people realize.

00:13:10:17 – 00:13:37:11
Nathan Crane
And there’s actually nicotine found in many vegetables, especially the nightshade family cauliflower. You know, nicotine is also known as an antivenom, something people don’t realize. This is all published research. But nicotinamide is is slightly different than nicotine and has different functions at a cellular level NAD plus. So as we know it today in a supplement form, can you talk a little bit more about it and why you use it?

00:13:37:11 – 00:13:38:10
Nathan Crane
What you’re using it for?

00:13:39:03 – 00:14:04:23
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Yeah, no. Again, yeah, it’s all about research, right? But it’s it shows it shows that obviously entity plus helps with mitochondrial function. We just talk about that the energy factories. It also helps with upregulated and down regulating of genetic expression. So genetic modification and longevity because it stimulates the sirtuins which are longevity proteins. So if we want to live longer and it is going to be important.

00:14:05:04 – 00:14:29:13
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
And number four, I would think if we talk about a DNA repair, right, because, you know, oxidative stress causes what damage on a cellular and DNA level. But what most people don’t know is that we have an innate DNA repair system called the Air TD one, the repair system. It’s a system of 17 enzymes that identify where the damage is and then start repairing the damage.

00:14:29:21 – 00:14:54:22
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
So the question is, why does that system not work in most of us? Well, because that system needs fuel. And the fuel for our DNA repair system is energy plus. Right. And so, again, you said it’s in our body, but most people don’t have an ample amount for it to do the functions that it should execute. And so, you know, and that’s because of, I would say, toxic, severe.

00:14:54:22 – 00:15:16:17
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Right. We put too many toxins in our body when exposed exposed to too many toxins. And at the same time now we got the electromagnetic frequencies and radiation, which drastically reduces our resource of entity plus. So I always tell people it’s not about just putting more energy plus in your body or taking the precautions like an AM or a niacin and those types of things.

00:15:16:17 – 00:15:36:18
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Yes, you can do this, but it’s also about thinking how can I protect my resource of energy? Plus, how can I mitigate, you know, the exhaustion of these resources? How can I reduce the exposure to electromagnetic frequency and toxins in our blood and our body?

00:15:36:18 – 00:16:04:17
Nathan Crane
Yeah, a lot of those a lot of these issues at a cellular level is mitochondrial dysfunction, is DNA damage, this lack of, you know, cellular nutrition. And, you know, inside ourselves, it’s almost always due to two things, right? Toxic burden. So we’re just exposed to so many toxins in our environment or food or water or air, even emotional toxins and toxic stress which downregulate our immune system upregulates or sympathetic nervous system releases.

00:16:04:21 – 00:16:24:23
Nathan Crane
You know, Europe in effort and cortisol and these things that turn off our immune system. So toxic burden. And number two is nutritional deficiencies. And if you look at that as a diet, the shitty American diet, as I call it, right, which most people are on, unfortunately, it’s ultra processed foods, it’s high sugar foods. It’s a lot of added sugar.

00:16:24:23 – 00:16:56:24
Nathan Crane
I mean, you’re talking 17 teaspoons of sugar per day on average for the American. You know, that is way too much added sugar. You know, that’s £60 of sugar a year for the average person here in America. I mean, take ten, £6 or six, £10 bowling balls and imagine eating that much processed sugar each year and all the process ingredients on top of it, the additives, the fillers, the junk that’s in the food and not getting enough nutrition from our food where we should be, not getting enough exercise.

00:16:56:24 – 00:17:34:21
Nathan Crane
Exercise is one of those precursors to NAD Plus, right? If we exercise that actually helps NAD Plus be produced in the body, right? It’s not effect size, poor nutrition and toxic burden. No wonder our cancer is exploding. No wonder diabetes obesity exploding. No wonder these chronic inflammatory diseases are exploding, you know, and yet we can control it by adopting these healthy diet and lifestyle habits and learning to overcome the addictions that these giant corporations have, literally scientists on board, paying them millions of dollars to figure out how to make how to make you addicted to their food.

00:17:35:04 – 00:17:56:07
Nathan Crane
And yet it’s poisoning you and killing you. And we’re giving them our money saying, yeah, give me more of that, give me more poison, make me more addicted so you can buy another yacht, another giant building downtown, right, while I die and end up having to spend all my money in going to bankruptcy, you know, dealing with cancer bills at the hospital, which is also poisoning me, by the way.

00:17:56:16 – 00:18:05:22
Nathan Crane
So it’s such a second corrupt system. And yet you and I and everybody listening, we can take control by where we spend our money. Is that right?

00:18:06:19 – 00:18:27:18
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Yeah, it’s 100% right. You know, I mean, when you look around you, the problem is that we have a lack of self-control and self-discipline. Right. Most of us really choose for the short term indulgences and pleasures and give up the long term, you know, you know, the real life treasures, which is obviously health and happiness and abundance and having fulfillment in life.

00:18:28:01 – 00:18:48:06
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
And so you’re right, you know, it’s the propaganda. It’s it’s we’re not share slaves in shackles, but we are slaves, right? We’ve we’ve been put in this comfort zone with all these comforts and we don’t have any self-control anymore. And that’s how we are subdued and we need to really start taking control of our own life, our own health, and that of our loved ones.

00:18:48:06 – 00:19:11:20
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
And it’s it requires us to take a step out of that comfort zone and do something, meaning learn something, get some guidance, get a coach like yourself or a mentor, and and get into that right direction because those are the true treasures of life. And, you know, most of us don’t have that self-discipline, self-control. And we’re just going with the motions being part of a corrupt system that is just poisoning in us.

00:19:12:03 – 00:19:14:09
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
That’s 100% correct. I couldn’t have said it better.

00:19:15:01 – 00:19:35:02
Nathan Crane
Yeah. And I want to get to the third thing you mentioned. You mentioned Breathwork. You know, Breathwork is awesome because it’s free. We all breathe every day. Most of us breathe unconsciously. We just breathe automatically. And yet when we learn to take control of our breath, we actually take control of our nervous system. We take control of our immune system.

00:19:35:09 – 00:19:53:19
Nathan Crane
We take control of our health and our wellbeing. We take control of our mental and emotional health. And there are so many forms of breathwork, there’s so many ways to do breath work. It doesn’t have to be a 20 or 30 minute session. Even though that can be really powerful, it can literally be short little pieces of breath work throughout the day, which is what I do.

00:19:54:02 – 00:20:03:12
Nathan Crane
But I’d love for you to talk about breath, work, benefits of it, science behind it, and maybe give people some some strategies on what they can do at home.

00:20:04:02 – 00:20:23:24
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Well, yeah, most people heard about it maybe, but didn’t even start. So obviously it has many applications. You actually mentioned them all already. But first it’s like what’s a normal breath rights? And most of us, as you know, our mouth breather breathers are shallow chest breathers, whatever we call them. But the mouth is designed to eat and talk.

00:20:23:24 – 00:20:44:16
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
The nose is designed to breathe. It’s not designed to sneeze. Right. It has a function, it’s breath. And so a normal breath is five counts in through the nose, capturing that nitric oxide that’s sitting here anyways and forcing it deep into the the lower lobes of the lung and the tissues and the cells and then six counts out through the nose.

00:20:44:16 – 00:21:05:14
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Right. So the nose is that’s a normal breath in and out of the nose. But if we make a quick calculation, that means we only would breathe in approximately five and a half breaths per minute. Most people now breathing in 16 to 20 times per minute through the mouth. Right. So remember earlier we talked about, yes, we can go without oxygen, but too much oxygen will what will age us?

00:21:05:14 – 00:21:36:18
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
It’s oxidation. It’s rusting. Right. So again, I think it may be one of the most powerful biomarkers because we can increase the efficiency of our oxygen by 300% just by learning to breathe properly in and out through the nose. Right. And then you said there’s many other applications. Yes. We can use Breathwork, you know, as a form of meditation, getting in a meditative state, getting in contact with the universe and all its resources, because I tried to meditate many years ago and I had a difficult time emptying my my brain and getting into the meditative state.

00:21:36:18 – 00:21:54:11
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
It was not easy for me, but since I got in contact with Breathwork, now I’m so focused on what I have to do with my breath that automatically, you know, that’s all I think about and I get into a meditative state, right? I also did a TED talk on Breathwork, or at least a solution where it was a reset breath.

00:21:54:12 – 00:22:14:13
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Because you just mentioned sympathetic people are always stressed. They’re in a sympathetic state. Just doing a one minute reset breath can get you from a sympathetic state into a parasympathetic state. So I used it. When I know I want to calm down, I want to recover. I want to go from sympathetic to parasympathetic. I have a tool. I don’t have to go anywhere.

00:22:14:13 – 00:22:35:16
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
It’s always with me, my breath. And I just can do a one minute breath reset to get me from sympathetic into parasympathetic. So you’re right. A breath. A breath can control everything inside of your body. And people don’t realize that that you have that power, you have that tool. So I suggest everybody to start looking into breath, work, YouTube, all these great apps out there.

00:22:35:16 – 00:23:00:17
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
I guess the app that I like to use is called Force. It used to be called the breath saws, but it’s called saws because there’s the top of breath. Masters in the world are on the same platform there and you can download it for free on any device. So there’s no excuse to start to learn to breathe properly, you know, increase that longevity and start to get in control of all those faculties of your body.

00:23:00:17 – 00:23:22:10
Nathan Crane
Beautiful. So I’m going to ask you, if you don’t mind leading us through a one minute breath work and give people an actual experience. They know how to do this themselves. Any time you’re stressed before a meeting, anytime you feel like you’re go, go, go, go, go, you just relax. Calm down for a second, you know, before a big conversation if you’re feeling nervous, right?

00:23:22:11 – 00:23:44:02
Nathan Crane
Like those are all the great times to remember to go, Oh, let me do this breath work really quick. Because the more often and I work with cancer patients as well, I have for a long time, you know, and the big thing I teach them is, look, we want to get your system into a parasympathetic nervous system, state as often as possible, as many times throughout the day as we possibly can.

00:23:44:08 – 00:24:10:15
Nathan Crane
Right. Sympathetic has its benefits. You know, cortisol, adrenaline, you know, getting into a high intensity workout, sauna, ice, bath, all those things are stimulating a sympathetic response for short periods of time. We’re creating a homedics stressor, which is going to strengthen and build our mitochondria. Right? But when we’re stuck in that state consistently, which most cancer patients are, most chronic disease patients are stuck in that chronic, sympathetic nervous system state.

00:24:11:05 – 00:24:31:24
Nathan Crane
Then their body is never getting into rest and digest and hill mode or very rarely. Right? So it’s these little times, multiple times throughout the day where we can just take a deep breath, calmer nervous system, get into a parasympathetic state that then we can activate what I call the healer within which is your own innate healing capacity.

00:24:31:24 – 00:24:38:12
Nathan Crane
That’s what you and I, we don’t heal anybody, right? You are the only true healer. Exactly.

00:24:38:19 – 00:24:39:20
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Just interference.

00:24:40:01 – 00:24:49:24
Nathan Crane
Exactly. We don’t heal anybody. You heal yourself by doing the right things. And so, yeah, if you don’t mind guiding us through, you know, a little bit about it could be awesome.

00:24:50:10 – 00:25:12:23
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
There’s different resets breath, but the basic principle to go from sympathetic to parasympathetic is make sure your exhalation is longer than your inhalation. So if you want to keep it very simple, you breathe. For example, three counts in and four or five counts are. So let’s do a three in through the nose and five out through the mouth.

00:25:12:23 – 00:25:41:16
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
They’re just an example. So here we go and into the nose and out to the mouth. Two, three, four, five. And if you do that four or five times, you’re switching from sympathetic to person, pathetic. There’s more complicated. It resets breaths. For example, I would do a quick ten count, inhale through the nose, exhale through the mouth. So ten times.

00:25:41:16 – 00:26:13:08
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
And then after the nine time when we inhale, we’re going to hold for a certain amount of time and then slowly exhale, inhale more and more time, slowly exhale. And that would be the one minute reset breath. Right? But again, it’s kind of getting from that sympathetic into the parasympathetic. So there’s many ways of doing it. But the easiest one is very simple for beginners is do something where you inhale a few counts, but then exhale one or two counts longer and that will get you slowly from sympathetic into parasympathetic you literally.

00:26:13:10 – 00:26:34:11
Nathan Crane
Those of you who are doing it with us right now, you can feel your whole energy shift in a few breaths, right in literally a minute or less. You can feel your energy just come to balance, to harmony, to equanimity, which is what we want. We want that in our lives as often as possible. We want more peace, more happiness, more joy.

00:26:34:17 – 00:27:00:08
Nathan Crane
And we can control our nervous system by practicing this. And we want to practice it right throughout the day before we’re stressed or angry or anxious or whatever, so that we have it in our toolkit. So when those moments do come, we go, Oh, I’ve got a tool for this. All right, let me just one minute. Right, one deep breath.

00:27:00:16 – 00:27:22:23
Nathan Crane
And like, you can literally calm yourself down. You do it for a minute now. You can make better decisions. I think we all want to make better decisions in our lives, in our relationships, less fighting, less anger, lesser MLS, jealousy, all the things that nobody really wants. Right. And we can control it with Breathwork. I love that this is one of your top three, you know, hacks.

00:27:22:23 – 00:27:35:08
Nathan Crane
It’s it’s really it’s beyond a hack, isn’t it? It’s a biological imperative. I mean, it’s something we were designed with to take control of our nervous system. We’ve been I mean, I believe we’ve been designed, you know.

00:27:36:00 – 00:27:39:06
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
In elementary school, right.

00:27:39:06 – 00:27:49:23
Nathan Crane
Exactly. Exactly. So I’d love to know a little bit more about your background. I mean, you were a competitive swimmer. What got you into swimming?

00:27:50:24 – 00:28:12:06
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Well, that’s that’s an interesting story. So in elementary school, I grew up in Belgium, it’s called differently. But I was I was the fastest runner of the class. I was on a basketball team, soccer team, you name it. But when it came to swimming, I got beaten by a good friend of mine. His name was Peter, and that was because he was part of the local swim team.

00:28:12:07 – 00:28:31:20
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
You know, he was a competitive swimmer. So I don’t really recall it because I was six, seven, eight years old. But my mom, you know, tells me that I was really, really upset because I lost. And so the next day, I decided or I asked her if I could join the local swim team myself. So that’s what I found my passion for swimming.

00:28:31:20 – 00:28:37:11
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
But today I still joke about it that it’s actually my worst sport right?

00:28:37:11 – 00:28:38:22
Nathan Crane
Well, you must have been pretty good at it.

00:28:40:01 – 00:28:40:11
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Yeah.

00:28:41:01 – 00:28:41:09
Nathan Crane
I mean.

00:28:42:01 – 00:28:44:13
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Yeah, that’s when we got into swimming because I couldn’t wait in it.

00:28:46:07 – 00:29:09:06
Nathan Crane
And so how did you end up coaching? Well, I mean, you became an all-American athlete, which is not easy to do. And swimming. Swimming is very difficult, by the way. It’s like it looks easy, but it is very difficult to get good at. I, I barely learned how to not drown, you know, swimming. And now I’m okay, but I’m still not like I see how fast I was coaching the is how fast these young guys are.

00:29:09:06 – 00:29:29:22
Nathan Crane
I was coaching these really young kids from, you know, 12, 13 years old up to like 16, 17 years old. But I was coaching the dry land program and I was coaching them just through bodyweight exercises and strengthening their bodies and stuff. So they’d be faster in the pool. And I’d watch these kids swim. And man, they’re like, they’re like dolphins in there.

00:29:29:22 – 00:29:36:06
Nathan Crane
I get in there, they can lap me back and forth, no problem. And I’m just like, How the heck do these guys do it? It just blows my mind.

00:29:37:04 – 00:29:54:24
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Well, a lot of technique, right? Everything is foundational stuff, energy, reservation technique. It’s all technique. But then, I mean, you know, how many hours a day it is spending a while. It’s one of those sports you got to put in a lot of time before you become the dolphin that you were talking about. But I mean, it’s a good exercise, obviously.

00:29:54:24 – 00:30:13:11
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
It’s one of those where all the muscles are involved. You know, your lung capacity is very high because when you exhale, you got the resistance of the water. And, you know, there’s a lot of mental aspects to that, too, because, you know, when you’re training 2 hours, you can’t really socialize, you know, so so it’s also a very sport that’s very internally.

00:30:13:11 – 00:30:15:12
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Right. Can’t talk while you’re working out.

00:30:16:15 – 00:30:20:10
Nathan Crane
So how’d you end up becoming a coach of the Belgian Olympic swim team?

00:30:21:06 – 00:30:49:02
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Yeah. So I swim competitive myself. Several age group National records over there and some national records. And then, you know, because I was into sports, obviously at the University of Brussels, I did four years of physical education, which was a lot of fun. But what really was I going to do with that? So then I decided to add physical therapy to the curriculum over there because only at 22, when I graduated P.E. and then I did physical therapy, I could do that in two years versus four or five years because I had all those exemptions.

00:30:49:09 – 00:31:10:01
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
And at the time, you know, of course, I was the top swimmer in the country. And I wasn’t swimming anymore, but they needed somebody to travel as an assistant coach and physical therapists. So actually it was easy for them to choose me because I could fulfill two positions and they only had to take one guy to assist in the swimming and at the same time be the physical therapist.

00:31:10:01 – 00:31:18:13
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
So that’s when I believe 94, 95, 96, traveled a little bit around the world to prepare for the Olympic Games in Atlanta in 1996.

00:31:19:01 – 00:31:26:02
Nathan Crane
So, wow. What would you say is like one of your biggest learning experiences from coaching that team?

00:31:28:00 – 00:31:50:18
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Well, you know, at the time, you know, I was I was still young, but I really got exposed to a little bit like, you know, what supplements are they taking? What are they eating? Certain athletes and coaches, you know, you know, think it’s important. And others totally, totally ignore it either even at the highest level, you know, they go eat them whopper at Burger King or chicken strips with honey, mustard, salt and fries.

00:31:51:01 – 00:31:53:09
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
I mean, days before their events.

00:31:53:09 – 00:32:03:08
Nathan Crane
So you can do you can do that when you can do that when you’re 24 as an athlete. Right. But you can’t do that when you’re 35 or 40 as an athlete. I mean, the body just won’t put up with it.

00:32:03:18 – 00:32:23:20
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Yes, exactly. So it was it were interesting observations. We got me which which got me at the time interested in supplements and in nutrition and diet. And that’s kind of what took me then from there to I came to the United States in 1997 after the Olympic Games as a physical therapist. But then I got exposed to, you know, alternative treatments.

00:32:23:20 – 00:32:42:10
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
I went back to school, get my license in acupuncture, a doctor of Oriental Medicine Board certified in Chinese herbs, homeopathy, all the nine yards, which was cool. But after another thousand patients, I got very frustrated because these modalities or therapies, whatever you want to call them, they are indeed less invasive than conventional medicine, meaning drugs, injections and surgeries.

00:32:42:10 – 00:32:59:09
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
But I really didn’t get the long lasting results I was hoping for either. So that’s when I decided to get my PhD in holistic nutrition. And also that’s when I really started looking at I you know, I believe Mother Nature must have the answer. And I start looking at animals in the wild and just tell people, ask what animals in the wild too?

00:32:59:16 – 00:33:17:19
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
What do they drink? What do they wear when they go to sleep? How do they digest? Well, I mean, all those things, if you ask those questions, you get the right answers right. And so with the elicit nutrition and looking at Mother Nature, I really got very confidence in helping anybody. And that’s when I said, yes, I’ll treat you with your cancer.

00:33:17:19 – 00:33:44:21
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Yes, I’ll do this because I got the very confidence. And because of that confidence, I started to write books. I started to do motivational speaking, keynote speaking, became the CEO of this clinic, anti-aging clinics, regenerative medicine clinics. And so, you know, now I’m, you know, regarded an expert biohacking. And so it’s kind of a little bit of a journey from that competitive swimming in nutrition into, you know, anti-aging and botanical hormones into regenerative medicine.

00:33:44:21 – 00:34:04:16
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
And also stem cells are now into biohacking trying to stay on that on that edge. And I think it’s very interesting because one day I’m talking to cancer patients, Parkinson’s and and those types of things. And what we’re doing, Nathan, is we’re giving them hope, right? Because conventional medicine has no solution. So with the hydrogen and with this and with that, we’re giving them hope.

00:34:04:20 – 00:34:28:06
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
And on the other end, I’m working with top entrepreneurialism. And, you know, you know, executives and top athletes, which is different. But guess what? The approach is the same. I’m both giving them hydrogen and both, you know, balancing their body and giving them all the tools that cells in the mitochondria need no matter what position we are. So it’s, it’s, it’s odd, but the treatment’s almost the same, right?

00:34:28:22 – 00:34:52:15
Nathan Crane
It’s so true. Prevention Cancer prevention, disease prevention is almost exactly the same as, you know, cancer reversal or disease reversal. The difference is in the dose and the intensity. Right. So like you’re going to you’re going to downplay the intensity of certain things for a cancer patient. Right. You’re not going to tell them, hey, go and work out, you know, 20, 30 hours a week.

00:34:52:15 – 00:35:12:20
Nathan Crane
You’re not going to tell them to do, you know, multiple long sauna sessions every day, every week you’re going to, you know, things that are going to push them too far over the edge. Your immune system’s already taxed, right? So we’re trying to get the immune system online without crossing the red line versus somebody who’s already healthy. Like you can push them a little harder and you can activate, you know, traumatic stressors a little more.

00:35:13:02 – 00:35:33:18
Nathan Crane
But the diet is going to be very similar. The same supplements and nutrients in a lot of the protocols are going to be very similar to the you know, you do have maintenance dosage, which is just health maintaining versus, hey, we’re doing therapeutic dosage, right. Which is we’re really upping the dose for periods, time for detoxification pathways or trying to eliminate parasites or whatever.

00:35:34:04 – 00:35:39:23
Nathan Crane
But it’s like it is very it’s almost the same with just some slight nuances, correct.

00:35:40:07 – 00:35:43:05
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Yeah.

00:35:43:05 – 00:35:53:00
Nathan Crane
I have a question about something I read in your bio. So your bio says you’re the founder of the Health Freedom Movement. Can you talk about that? And how are you the founder of the Health Freedom Movement?

00:35:53:09 – 00:36:19:04
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Well, you know, founder, they put it down there. I mean, a lot of people use health freedom. But when I when I wrote published my first book in 2014 Health for Life, I really started to doing some local talks and things like that. And so when I started talking during my talks, I would engage the audience. And every time ill health, the audience would have to yell Freedom Ride.

00:36:19:04 – 00:36:42:22
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
And so I engaged the audience that way and that’s why it was called the Health Freedom Movement. But, but basically I was teaching people actually while health freedom is and it’s what we just talked about not too long ago, it’s like, look, you know, yes, we can blame the big pharma, the pharmaceutical companies, we can blame the FDA, we can blame the media and the propaganda, and we can blame our doctors.

00:36:42:22 – 00:37:04:14
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
We can blame our parents for their genetic makeup. But ultimately doesn’t all matter. We just need to simply take responsibility for our own health and our own happiness and that of our loved ones. So basically it’s a choice. And the question is which toys are going to take? Are you going to decide to be sick and sad or healthy and happy?

00:37:04:14 – 00:37:11:22
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
And the choice is yours. It’s that simple. And that’s really what health freedom is. We have that freedom. It’s just a choice we need to make.

00:37:12:09 – 00:37:37:01
Nathan Crane
Yeah, I agree. It’s it is our it should be our freedom. You know, governments try to take away that freedom. I mean, you could say the health freedom movement started 40, 50 years ago. Right. There’s organizations back in the seventies that were really pushing for health freedom. You know, my friends over at Alliance for Natural Health, they’ve been pushing really for health freedom at a political level and an educational level for decades.

00:37:37:10 – 00:38:04:09
Nathan Crane
You know, there’s there’s a lot of people have been doing good work for many, many years, supporting our rights as as people and patients to choose what we want for our bodies. We saw our health freedoms really start getting stripped away from us during COVID, right? Our option to choose what to do, what to put in our bodies were not to people’s jobs were put on the line if they didn’t get this experimental shot, people’s livelihoods were taken away from them.

00:38:04:16 – 00:38:11:16
Nathan Crane
You know, people were threatened. You know, you were called, you know, a killer. You know, you were called somebody who didn’t care about others.

00:38:12:06 – 00:38:13:03
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Being called all those.

00:38:13:03 – 00:38:33:14
Nathan Crane
Things. Right? It was insane. It was insane. And I’m sitting here, you know, pushing for health freedom as well. The freedom to choose. And yet we have this whole movement, this whole, you know, body movement, my body, my choice, which is so beautiful and powerful. And yet when it came to these experimental shots, oh, no, no, we don’t care about your body, your choice there.

00:38:33:14 – 00:38:53:12
Nathan Crane
That doesn’t matter. Right? You got to take that for the for the betterment of all and for the good of all. And yet no long term studies, lots of adverse events, you know, people who are already healthy, who have no need for something like that, their immune systems, fine. They’re going to fight off young people who had no concern about it, right?

00:38:53:12 – 00:39:12:03
Nathan Crane
Yes. Okay. People care about, you know, our elders and the people we love. And so we were concerned about them. But at the end of the day, it still needs to be your choice, still needs to be your freedom of choice, what you put in your body. There should be no government agency ever that requires you to put something in your body.

00:39:12:03 – 00:39:17:04
Nathan Crane
And that’s that’s crazy, because they’re trying to take that right away from us. You know, every chance they get.

00:39:17:20 – 00:39:18:20
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
100% with you.

00:39:19:19 – 00:39:35:16
Nathan Crane
Yeah. So now, I mean, it’s great that you wrote a book about it in 2014 and you’ve been teaching it ever since then. And really getting people, you know, focused on on making good choices for their own health, because at the end of the day, it does come down to our own choices. Right.

00:39:36:15 – 00:39:37:23
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Exactly. Yeah.

00:39:41:01 – 00:39:51:22
Nathan Crane
So you have you have something really interesting to this. Your medical director at Clary, Gen Z Health. There’s a product you guys have cleared. Gen Z. What is that? Can you talk about that?

00:39:52:09 – 00:40:18:09
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Yeah, I mean, it’s it was popular just after COVID what happened when COVID started. I was a CEO of a stem cell clinic, and we obviously had to close the doors because we were non-essential. But at the time, I thought to myself, you know, let’s just sit back and think about what’s my next move? And during that time, when I wasn’t really busy, colleague, friend, Dr. might call up and say, Hey, do you have time?

00:40:18:09 – 00:40:46:23
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Because we need help with prescreening clients or patients for medical marijuana in the state of Florida here. I said, sure, whatever. So I ended up talking to about 100 people every week with what’s with anxiety, depression, PTSD. And all these people are on Ritalin and Adderall and those kind of stuff. And it was interesting. And so I got myself delved a little bit more into Adderall and all those, you know, what they call smart drugs.

00:40:47:05 – 00:41:12:09
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
And obviously, they come with many side effects, including seizures, psychosis, increased increased risk for heart disease, and the list goes on lengthy. And then I said, okay, well, there’s two things that I found talking to them. Number one is obviously there’s always better alternatives if you do need something to focus or to operate better. And in, you know, they are called nootropics or the natural alternatives to smart drugs are called know tropics.

00:41:12:15 – 00:41:39:15
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
And there’s a whole list of natural ingredients, even basic ones like, you know, ginkgo biloba, Chinese medicine and all kinds of others that have the name no tropic, that help with water, with memory. We focus and attention, etc.. And then I came across a patented ingredient called bio sit joints, which basically is a third from a citrus fruit or a blood orange, even better from the southeast region of Asia.

00:41:39:15 – 00:42:07:24
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
And it showed that bio citrus within 30 minutes would have those effects of increased focus, attention, etc., because it easily crosses the blood brain barrier. A lot of supplements take several weeks to kind of build up in your system and and work or don’t work. So it had a pretty fast effect. And then so I contacted the people that had the rights to this bio citrate in the U.S. and they were actually in the beginning stages of, of putting a product together.

00:42:08:09 – 00:42:37:13
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
So then basically I helped them identify some other ingredients that I thought were beneficial in the product. And so we added a l tyrosine, an amino acid that has, you know, research that it helps with memory. And we added phenylalanine, which is a neuro agent, which helps with, you know, photographic memory, focus and those types of things. And then the third ingredient that we added was phosphate tidal, which again is not only in our cells in our body but also in our brain phosphate.

00:42:37:13 – 00:43:01:04
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Tidal stimulates NGF nerve growth factor, which helps with, you know, brain cell formation and also way of neurotransmission in the brain and Celera. So those four very safe ingredients we put into a formula called Focus Plus and we kind of helped a lot of people with these A.D.D., ADHD and ADHD are kind of weaned off Adderall and get on a natural nootropic.

00:43:01:04 – 00:43:21:20
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
So that was kind of the area where we tried to, you know, have people on that nootropic. But that’s when I also started to write my last book of book number AIDS, because my first seven books were strictly health and diet and disease related versus now I actually the other thing that I found talking to this hundreds of people that was really an underlying cause.

00:43:22:02 – 00:43:41:17
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
And we know this therapies and drugs out there for depression and anxiety. But guess what? Most of those people did not have a purpose in life. That’s what I found talking to them. And so when you teach those people, don’t help them find purpose in life and passion in life and get a plan and get organized. Then suddenly all those negative emotions go away, right?

00:43:41:24 – 00:44:11:09
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Because I put myself in their place. If I don’t know what tomorrow brings next week or next month or next year brings financially or otherwise, of course I’m going to be worried. I’m going to have some fear about what tomorrow brings and those negative emotions turn into what anxiety, depression and stress and PTSD. Right. And so simply talking about purpose and purpose in life and finding passion and setting goals and and really helping them that way.

00:44:11:09 – 00:44:41:23
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
You don’t need any drugs or any psychotherapist. All those negative emotions goes away. And you because now you know what tomorrow brings an obstacle suddenly becomes opportunities, steppingstones that bring you closer to your goals and dreams. So that’s what I’ve really been focused on the last two years. This is not just on health but also on purpose in life and planning your life and and regaining control, not just of your health, but regaining control over your life and your agenda, your calendar for tomorrow and next week and next year.

00:44:42:04 – 00:45:07:05
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Because when you’re in control, you know, more control means more clarity and more clarity means less stress. I so so that’s where I kind of started expanding my view on health is also incorporate those types of things to set a foundation because I think purpose and plan are the foundation to anything, to better performance, to self optimization, to better health.

00:45:07:12 – 00:45:31:03
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
You have to have a purpose and a plan and then we can get into, okay, now we need to learn to be present in the moment. We need to start biohacking, we need to upgrade the body, the mind and life. And then we we all do all of those elements in what I call a power routine, something that we do on a daily basis that we can count on, that gets us, you know, incremental steps closer to our goals and dreams.

00:45:31:17 – 00:45:52:17
Nathan Crane
Yeah. So true importance of really connecting to a deeper purpose in life and having that wake you up every morning. You’re excited to do the work that you do and live your purpose and have a passion for it and pull you through the hard times and challenging times and keep you moving forward. I find having, you know, really kind of big, large purpose in life that’s never ending.

00:45:52:17 – 00:46:09:15
Nathan Crane
It’s not like, oh, I’m going to achieve this goal one day, right? Like they’re big goals, like small goals, big goals. But then there’s like a larger purpose. It’s like, I could do this for the rest of my life and it could show up in a hundred different ways. But here is my big overarching purpose that’s driving me every single day for the rest of my life.

00:46:09:24 – 00:46:34:02
Nathan Crane
You know, it may show up like I just went on a humanitarian relief trip to help stop the starvation of people starving to death in northern Kenya. That’s one part of my purpose now that’s added to my overall life purpose. I’m going to be supporting there for many, many years to come. Right. And like, it’s like but really, it’s figuring out what is your larger purpose and then how does that show up in your life?

00:46:34:02 – 00:46:47:17
Nathan Crane
And it may mold and change over time. It certainly has in my own life anyway. But, you know, really connecting to that and know what moves you and drives you and fulfills you I think is super important.

00:46:47:17 – 00:47:09:06
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
So I’ve no idea. Right? They either have no idea or they’re badly tapping into it instead of unleashing it. And so we as coaches, that’s that’s that’s what I do right. I have conversations with them. I ask them questions. And suddenly, sometimes within a half an hour, we identify it. Sometimes it takes a week, but it doesn’t take long to really, you know, find that ignition and see them.

00:47:09:06 – 00:47:30:16
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Their eyes look brighter and like, oh, my God, yeah, that’s it. And we need a plan, right? Because we have responsibilities and so we can’t just drop our job. But what we can do is we can start freeing up some valuable time. One hour a day is what I do with my clients to then, you know, work on that purpose while you’re keeping your responsibilities and feeding your family.

00:47:30:16 – 00:47:38:07
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
I’m not telling you not to stop doing that, but let’s find some time. Let’s work at a certain point in time. We can transition into that full purpose. Yeah.

00:47:39:00 – 00:47:41:13
Nathan Crane
What is the name of that book? Is it out yet or no?

00:47:42:03 – 00:47:54:06
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Yes, it’s called The Exalt Method Unleash Your Superpower. You can get it on Amazon on my website. And so this is a little biohacking in it, but it also talks about purpose, plan and those types of things. Yeah.

00:47:54:14 – 00:47:58:05
Nathan Crane
The IZOD method. So I’ve heard IZOD before. What does IZOD.

00:47:58:05 – 00:48:05:01
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Mean? Apparently when I came up with it I didn’t know that it had another meaning. But it’s some clothing brand apparently, like right.

00:48:05:01 – 00:48:06:24
Nathan Crane
There you go. It’s a clothing brand. That’s right.

00:48:07:06 – 00:48:26:10
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
But IZOD is in the zone on the men’s right, because it’s one of those things that I teach is it’s not just for athletes to be in the zone. It’s a skill that we all can acquire to do, you know, to to be productive and not be distracted, especially by the social media and everything that’s going on today.

00:48:26:16 – 00:48:39:19
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
There are certain things that we can put in place and skills that we can learn so we can produce whenever we want to. We can win whenever we want to. We can take that unfair advantage if you can turn it on and off right here in the zone. Not in the zone.

00:48:40:11 – 00:48:51:08
Nathan Crane
So so you use as an acronym IZOD in the zone on demand, how to get yourself into that flow state on demand and be effective, efficient, productive.

00:48:51:21 – 00:48:53:22
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Into the flow. Yeah on demand.

00:48:53:23 – 00:49:05:19
Nathan Crane
Yeah, yeah. Cool. I like it. So yeah that’s on Amazon. I see the IZOD method and what’s the best place for people to get in touch with you? What’s your website?

00:49:05:22 – 00:49:27:19
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Yeah, I’m not a big social media guy because that will get me in a dorfman overload. Right? So, yeah, my, my. The easiest way is just go to my website, Biohacking Unlimited, dotcom, my books are there. You can schedule a 20 minute free consultation with me. Mentorship programs are there. We also have something, The Limitless Lab, which is a 12 week program to self optimization.

00:49:27:24 – 00:49:39:12
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
Again, it’s its purpose. Its plan is upgrading, it’s biohacking. It’s it’s, it’s there. Yeah. And everything else is there. So biohacking unlimited to come would be your starting place.

00:49:40:11 – 00:49:50:22
Nathan Crane
Awesome. That’s great. Well, thanks, Dr. Mike’s. Great to have you on the podcast. Good to get to know you a little bit better and love the work you’re doing, man. So thanks for coming on with.

00:49:50:24 – 00:49:55:22
Dr. Mike Van Thielen
The work you’re doing. It takes a team to get it going and get the word out there. So appreciate your time also, Nathan.

00:49:56:05 – 00:49:58:03
Nathan Crane
Absolutely. My pleasure. We’ll talk to you soon.